Pilot House Sailboat? Nauticat - Episode 137 - Lady K Sailing
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I did buy a Nauticat 32 she is not a Motorsailer she is a Pilothouse sailboat with a full sail plan and a fin keel. I really love this boat. Nauticat are built for the North Sea so they are built strong. And beautiful. I have owned 15 sailboats and this is the best one.
A Russian family The Klochkovs with their two daughters (minors!) has visited Antarctica (and rounded Horn twice) with such a boat. So it's really a boat to go anywhere.
You made some good points🙂. As a Nauticat 38 owner I can come up with a few more. The most important is that Nauticats were made in Finland, and even though they are all around the world they were made with the Nordic climate in mind. I live in northern Norway, and try to use the boat year round. With only a few months of nice weather, and a lot of cold, wet days these boats are amazing and add so many useful boat days to a year compared to a normal sail boat. They are incredibly well built, encapsulated ballast, skeg hung rudder, heavy displacement boats with a very high degree of craftsmanship. As you say, there are better sailers out there. But there are differences, the 33 is maybe the most limited of the range, the 44 is better. The 38 we have has a longer fin keel and sails quite ok. We can’t sail as close to the wind as normal boats but on a reach she does quite ok🙂. The weight also means that we need about 5 m/s or 10 knots to get anywhere. Every boat is a compromise, but for what they are meant to do, few can do better. In the world of motorsailers, Nauticats generally are known to be among the best sailers. My channel “stefanesai” has a few videos of our boat sailing for those interested.
Would you go over the Atlantic ocean with it?
@@swedishwilderness If I could choose I’d prefer the “pilot house sailing yacht” range of nauticats, but I wouldn’t be worried. Lots of them all around the world, and there is also a TH-cam video of someone with a 38 crossing the Atlantic. One must keep the side doors in mind, especially if the weather turns nasty, and it’s not optimal for heavy weather sailing because of the side entry and high aft deck.
@@Stefanesai you are probably right but its HARD to fond the nnautcat sailing board at a good price. Thank you for the answer
I owned a Nauticat 44 for 20 years and race it with a handi cap of 180 and a 145 down wind rating .
I've done Two races from San Francisco to Hawaii, all under sail - 15 days 2120 miles one way. The boat is a reaching machine, faster under sail than motor on a reach, the downside is pointing to weather, figure 60 degree off true wind angle is as high as you can get and still make 6 knots of boat speed.
SHHH.... don’t tell people about the Nauticats... I haven’t bought one yet! They make the most sense to me!! Great video.
As a Pacific Northwest guy, you know, in the rain 9 months of the year...a pilothouse is extremely appealing.
Last I looked there where two 441's for sale in your area.
I lived several years in Pacific Beach, Wa, we called it the Pacific NorthWet.
Every TH-cam channel these days is asking for money, I watch about 40 channels and can’t afford to give everyone money. I wish TH-cam would up their pay for views for all involved.
I looked and looked at a lot of boats and ended up buying a 1985 Nauticat 44. Our "older" age and the pilot house sold us on it. I had looked at 40 some foot Beneteaus, Morgans, Pearsons, etc., but when I walked onto the Nauticat it felt like twice the boat of those "standard" sailboats. The pilot house and the 3 steps down to the main salon area didn't give the "cave" feel of a classic sailboat. The sliding side doors and the large pilot house windows get criticized as not being as sea worthy as a companionway entrance, but those sliding doors are awesome. They let a great cross breeze through the pilot house and make you feel outside, while being completely inside. And having a 360 degree view from a heated or air-conditioned pilot house is damn nice... After being on the Nauticat, I couldn't stand the notion of being in "the cave" of a sailboat with a companionway.
Unfortunately I'm going to say it sail's like a pig, but if you've got light winds, you just use the motor. You can get a big light wind sail and still move in light winds, but let's face it, an 18 ton long keel boat won't compete with a racer/cruiser. So you do need to embrace the fact that this is a motor-sailer and not a racer/cruiser. The older Nauticats have a low RPM Ford-Lehman motors that can go 20,000 hours before a rebuild is recommended, and the thing can go through a few rebuilds. Their basically old tractor motors that have a virtually infinite life to them if you take care of them. No electronics or turbo on them mean they don't get the fuel economy of a modern diesel, but it also means you have a chance of fixing it in the remotest corners of the world. If the "brain box" of a modern diesel stops working, you're not motoring anywhere until you get a new one.
As a wanna'be sailor, and it will happen, "I'm determined". I've enjoyed your informative videos. Thanks brother.
I don't see many 33' trawlers especially ones with deep water capabilities, some look like a trawler but have a powerboat hull. Sailboats either are racers or cruisers or some combination making them less of either. Problem is that most cruisers get into situations generally involving scheduling that they have to go in spite of unfavorable winds or no wind, cruising sailboats tend to be engined to get into port, not long term continuous motoring for which you really need an industrial rated engine in a serviceable engine bay. Note too that cruising sailboats tend to 'grow' an ever larger 'dodger' to stay dry in the cockpit and the realization that skin cancer is not a joke and you need protection from the sun. Pilot house sailboats are of course popular in northern latitudes where even at peak of season it might be a little too cool out there.
In the area of Finland where the boats where built there is a true need of boats like the Nauticat. There is a big archipelago to boat in. Many sailing and boat clubs buy or rent places where You are not allowed to build any houses, but can build small docks and saunas. People often go on Friday after work, often motoring some 20 Nm, to spend the weekend on the islands. On Sunday afternoon many boats come back by sails, enjoying the “last minutes” before a week at work. Check out the map of the area around Turku, Finland.
Great piece about Motorsailers. Need another talking about different styles and manufacturers.
Agreed..
I have one,longkeel,sailing is not great,the finkeel versions off the 33 are better sailers....but the advantages are nummerous,lots off space,cosy deckhouse where you can see everething as at sea or in harbour in case of bad weather!
No more submarinefeeling as on normal sailingboats.
Big gangways with again lots of space,big railings for safety.
Extremely strong build boats,no odd noises when in heavy weather as in modern sailinyaachts!
Steering in and outside,strong motors!
The possibility to navigate all european channels ithout masts,shallow draft!
But,if you buy the older ones,carefull survye needed with the woodwork.....
Restoration is possible but think before you begin,the amount of hours is massive,and the cost fairly high,the wood is mahogany and teak......
Nauticat's are great PNW boats. They are great if you have a spouse that gets motion sick if they can't see the horizon. They are also wonderful if you are traveling to a place with a view. The woodwork in the boat is amazing and the craftsmanship. Can't say enough about the brand.
I've been seriously looking for 'bout a year and deciding on a Nauticat 40'-44', PRE-S&S.
Once you've had a boat with one , you won't go back to an open cockpit. When sailing it is always ,Too hot, Too cold or wet.
I've been a sailor for over 50 years. I would much prefer to sail, but physical issues now prevent me. So I sold my Catalina and bought a trawler. :-(. But I love her! Sailing in NorCal, I can stay warm inside when it is 40 temp and 8ft seas outside, burn ~1.5 GPH at 7 knots, and go from SF to San Diego and back w/o refueling. or San Diego to Cabo if I carry a few jerry cans. Comfortable full size berths for 4-5, 2 heads w/full showers, I and my crew are happy campers. Oh, and I still have some sail if the Ford Lehman craps out. Also carry the dink w/15HP OB that can go into the water in 15 minutes as tow if need be.
I took a motorsailer from Puerto Rico to Puerto Plata to Bahamas (visited several Islands) to Bimini to Florida .... sails plus engine running at 900 RPM consumed only 75 galons of Diesel .... speed 6 to 7 knots.
Our eclipse 33 isn't a motor sailer but it has an inside helm in the deck saloon
A builder producing a product that people want. Mind Blown
Nauticat went out of business 2 years ago.
Hey dude. Great explanation. Gotta love motor sailing. Good luck with the jobs.
Sirius 40 DS ? Deck salon seems to be a good compromise.
That's a wonderful looking design. Too bad they are so rare. I've never seen a Sirius listed on yachtworld.
I’d like to see you tour us thru a 40-ish length Nauticat.
I bought a Celestial 49 pilothouse cutter, the sail plan is huge and it has an 88HP Yanma8r giving it 6kts at 7litres per hour. She will als8o sail at 9kts if you want to do the work but at 22tons she is a heavy girl
I'm gonna need to find another, richer partner for my retired couple team.
There is no way you will ever find me on a trawler. I am 86 and just sailed a 27/ft boat from San Diego to Honolulu.. I may however look into a Nauticat.
I had a Colvic 32 motor sailer very strong and stable in rough sea and fully enclosed Whehouse
In the Bahamas, pilot houses are not that important. In colder climates they are. It’s that simple.
That's true. I am located in the Bahamas. My sailboat is not a Pilot House.
I think that's true but in severe weather people get exhausted quickly outside. I think it's a valid concern anywhere.
I find it quite intriguing how most Long Keel Yachts set up to face anything under both Engine and Sail become motorsailor's . Myself i had an old classic Mahogany on Oak Hillyard, you will find them all over the world , again classed as a motorsailor, yet i could cover average distance same as most modern day cruisers , the nice thing was when i had to punch a sea, ok i had redesigned the sail plan etc the boat used to hit her waterline length speed under both sail & engine.
I had a center cockpit i decided to put half a pilot house on covering 3/4 of the cockpit leaving the back end open and access in and out of the cockpit.
The comfort i used to cruise in was second to none in comparison to modern day sailing yachts, i was more than happy taking a few hours more to reach my destination, and consider anyone that wants to get there quicker than I, didnt like sailing 😂
There is a spectrum of Motor sailor designs we could roughly call 30/70, 50/50, and 70/30 depending on whether the design leans toward powerboat or sailboat hull form and ballast ratio, and how efficient it is intended to be under sail, or power. A motor sailor need not be a massive behemoth, or massively powered.
Pilot houses are like second main salons.
I had to paus the vid no banna no orange lol what a cute Kallie lol
would love to get down there but right now have boats, trailers, lawn mowers, and vans to paint i need a break will get down there for a sail fingers crossed
Looks like a real bitch to back-up and manuever within a crowded marina, especially the 44 and it's full keel. I think I'd want a bow thruster?
Thank You for this I’ve loved these boats for years especially the older 44.
I have a good friend who has a Nauticat 38 ketch, and I have sailed/cruised a lot on this boat. As described the good points are that they are tough, well built, comfortable down below, and in lousy weather yes you can steer from inside. The downsides, they are somewhat slow, are affected by wind shear and so with the sails up they do heel quite steeply. The other thing I don’t like about them is that they are complicated and being a cutter rigged ketch with narrow sides around the pilot house getting around the boat is difficult, sheets and blocks everywhere to trip over. Also, when steering from outside you are very exposed to the elements as there is no dodger. So, while they offer great accomodation though slightly oddly laid out., they are as with ,any boats a compromise. Would I buy one if I could afford one (they are expensive), no. They are not the kind of boat I would want.
Great explanation of the history of a great boat builder.
what would you recommend if a person looking for a liveaboard but sailing once a while around the world ?
Wow I am about to purchase my first boat and have been thinking why not a motor sailboat and did not know they exist. Thanks
There one for sale on Kijiji needs a refit
Nauticat 321?
I own a Nauticat 32 same boat.
Were one available and me being a bit younger with a fat wallet...Yeah, I'd go for a thirty something motor sail semi with in mast roller furling in a heartbeat !!
You sold me on this boat....
I am a huge huge fan of the Nauticats. I was blown away by the 33 when I first came across it, such a wonderful use of space. A 44 in good condition is a treasure. If I were designing one for myself I would go for 44 twin, much smaller engine, sloop design with folding props and a lifting keel with grounding plate like my Southerly. I love the Nordic design and would preserve all of those features. The other controversial thing is that I would have it built in ferro cement, for a whole lot of reasons. I just might sketch that up to tease myself with till I die. So thanks for covering this, its got me all excited. Another subject dear to my heart you might explore one day is in-boat workshops. Mine is shaping up very well and it gives me huge pleasure. Happy to send photos if you’re interested.
I remember some years back (I go a long way) that ferro cement was 'the new fiberglass' but I've read very little about it lately. How well did the early boats stand up and what was the best way to go? I had thought that using a synthetic material rather than steel for reinforcing since I didn't see steel last too long in salt water. Today we have better cements and possible a coating system that reduces water penetration into the material.
WOW! I would like to hear and see the 43 and 44 Naudicats.
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Hi! Thank you so much for share your research. Nauticat is one of my possible options to sail south of chile. A house pilot in that conditions is very convenient. I would like to know your opinion about the Nauticat series 35 37 which are low house p. and one mast. Thank you cheers from Argentina!
Dear Jorge ,you ask about a Nauticat37/35 I have a 35 at the moment I did have a 42 but sold it as I had to pay for a new roof on my property £37000 pounds ( a thatched roof) I got my 35 for about half the amount I sold my 42 for same year same condition. Crossing the Bay of Biscay in a force 9 Gale she never missed a beat.fantastic boat for so many reasons, however if you can afford a 42 go for it the extra 7 feet is worth every penny or £ . The N/C I wouldn’t have is any one of them with a side entrance very dangerous in big seas. Regards Ian.
@@iantring1813 Thank you! According with you about the side door. Cheers!
@@iantring1813 I'm thinking about a 321 as my first sail boat... if the 35 is too small for you, a 321... :-(
I just watched your 30th episode. I hope you ended up enjoying my hometown of Savannah Ga.
Oh man, that stuffing box sound like a chore AND the boat is in the water. 😳😳. Props to you.
i like the motorsailors. best of both worlds.
I just bought a Nauticat 321 She is a great boat. She is a pilothouse sailboat not a motorsailer.
I'd love to know more about the 321 before buying it. can we talk? Pleaseee
Isn't it true that since all sailing vessels are required to have motors installed? Doesn't that make "motor sailor" ubiquitous?
No, not at all. Motor sailers have a larger engine when compared to a sailing boat of the same length. The average HP of a 40' boat, is around 40hp. Some do have more powerful engines (Mine has a Yanmar 4JH4E at 56hp) Motor sailors at the 40' length frequently get 100hp+ They are designed to cruise using the engine as a means of propulsion. On a sailboat, the engine is an auxiliary engine intended for short periods of time. Sailboats are normally faster sailing than motoring.
@@achosenman9376 Thanks for the clarification.
The rudder had to be addressed, I am sure you will work thru it , good Lady K is back in the water
Stuffing box stuff is called Packing. Best way to get the packing out to replace or add a ring without dropping the rudder shaft and/or while in the water is to braze a cork screw onto a thin stainless rod. Twist the corkscrew in and pull. Usually several times. This technique works especially well if the boat isn"t being hauled out. When putting in more then one band of packing, make sure the beginnings and ends are staggered. great channel even from a canadian. LOL Said by a new englander.
Thanks. Already past that stage. The bottom flange is seized to rudder post. Working it free.
Great for live aboard tiny homes also good for heavy weather
Hidy hi sailor !! I’m considering buying a nauticat 33, any advice or warnings you want to give me? It’s moored in Malaysia and I’m in Sydney, Australia. The boat reportedly is in good condition with the exception of a starting issue with the engine which apparently runs well then, the the sails are old and sun effected. It’s a 1987 model, so obviously it’s not going to be “as new”. I have the budget to buy new sails and some mechanical work.
I’m not after a performance yacht, I’m 55 and have plenty time, so slow, SAFE and steady is my motto.
Any advice would be muchly appreciated.
Cheers, Michael
Interesting...but for old people..if they don't manage well sail and motor in every weather conditions...its time to stay on the ground..😂👋⛵️🇨🇭
Love the nauticat. Would take one any day over a marine trader trawler any day.
Nicely summarized. I'm in.
Interesting video. I've seen listings for Nauticats while boat shopping but I never actually looked at one. Maybe I should have. However, I would like to add a mention of the physics of motorsailing, a subject which been neglected in the literature. Sailing in Chesapeake Bay I had lots of time without enough wind to make even a racing boat go. I did experiments as well as analysis (I'm a naval architect with degrees in aerodynamics). The short rigs of motorsailers don't make any sense to me. When you don't have enough wind, if you fire up the diesel and give it enough throttle for 3 knots, the sails will collapse and luff uselessly. Head off far enough to fill the sails and your boatspeed might jump to 3.5 knots (it will feel fast) but you'll cover twice as much distance as if you headed straight down the rhumb line. Therefore, motorsailing is (or can be) a very scientific activity, where your eye is glued to the speedometer and tacking angle gauge (or masthead indicator) most of the time. At some point of low windspeed, you ignore the sails and head straight for your next waypoint, and at some point of high windspeed you can shut the engine off. (I used 3 knots under sail alone as that point). The criteria are yours to develop.
But the effect on boat design has been poorly interpreted. If you make a vector diagram of apparent wind against wind angle for, say, 5 knots of true wind, you'll find that as soon as you add engine power the apparent wind will become less favorable, requiring you to head off, if it's forward of the beam. If it's aft of the beam, your boat speed under power subtracts from the apparent wind so your sails will be practically useless. That's why I think a motorsailer should have high aspect sails in either catboat, sloop, or ketch rig, and no specialized downwind sails. On the other hand, the keel will almost never stall out because you're giving it relative water flow using the engine, so the lift coefficient won't be as big as for a pure sailboat. So, the keel can be low area as well as moderate in span for lighter draft. OK that's my soapbox for today.
been a while i am waiting you talk about my favorit boat :)
Hello, I would like to know if anyone can help me with their experience?
I am looking at pilothouse sailboats, for comfort and protection mostly, and to sail long distances for quite a long time.
The latest Nauticats, 351-37-385, years 2002 onwards, experts say they were designed for more efficient sailing. Does anyone know if this is really the case? There is little information on this comparison in the blogs. 2 to 3 knots difference can be very important.
They say there are noticeable differences in performance between the old ones and these ones.
If anyone knows, I will be very grateful if you can help me with this information.
Greetings and thanks for this video. Very interesting channel.✌️💥⛵️
A dream come true Amel or a yacht like your just a few thing. Need to be 20 years younger and a Lot richer;) But I’m happy sleep good when it rainy storming
Nice to see you spending time with your daughter
Wow, the blue eyes run in your family.
The smaller ones seem well adapted to a solo cruiser/island hopper with the occasional company-- 1 person doesn't have to single hand the sails if the weather looks like a problem and the fuel tanks don't, and the ketch rig looks relatively easy to manage.
That S&S you showed...beautiful lines, especially that bald clipper bow. To me, the most graceful of all the bows.
could you sale one solo?
An episode on Oyster? Keel loss killed the company only to be returned to life recently. Bringing hull construction in house and validating quality.
If it was for me Id change the rig to junk rig (easy to single hand with & to increase the sail area) and reduce the use of fuel on long passages.
There are a lot of people with sailboats that would be better off with a motor sailor. My wife and kids to start! Unfortunate for them I love our C&C 33! 😜🤣
Couldn't you just replace the masts and rigging to accomodate larger sails?
galley in pilothouse is awsome - bruce rogers
Love the idea of an inside steering station but it would have to be done better than this. These aren't attractive enough and I doubt if they are good sailers. Seen a couple in real and actually one was one of the first larger boats we looked at. Didn't make my heart sing and my first boat was a demon under sail so I couldn't bring myself to get into one.
Those Nauticat are awesome looking.
I'm not a boat person or even a water person but I watch many sailing videos I do wonder why some sail boats today have fillers out in the open yes on a beautiful day it is great but dirty weather you are out in the weather it doesn't make cents to me
Number one drawback is Diesel fuel is expensive and theses boats will use a lot of it.
I love these boats, but the only thing I would change is the doors!
You sold me on a big Nauticat schooner if I could afford it.
Wow, the blue eye gene is strong!
Im looking forward to the rudder video, and all the through hull adventures!
Love this boat :) But yeah older :)
What are some recommended motorsailers?
im just glad you put it in
Little girl has her dad’s eyes
Thanks for the videos…my favorite was your history of the Pearson Triton which I have. I also loved your Erie Canal passage segments. That easy listening jazzy background music made the trip experience fun to watch. Can you share the source of that music? Thanks in advance.
Hey sure but from which episode?
@@LadyKSailing #76 many thx Tim
thankk you
If you use heat on it make sure you have a jug of ice water to cool it heat it cool it heat it cool it and pick away at the packing make sure you get it all out
would appear the packing was not right .packing fills the gap it is the grease that stops the water use a salt water resistance greace if you plan to crews the Bahm againpaking if done right will last 20 years
Cute cameo from another K that sails! 🤙🏻
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Another informative episode. I was hoping you would've done Gulf Star by now. We start our Home/Yacht hunt this Friday! I really like the pricing of them and the skeg hung rudder.
Oh Gulfstar! I keep forgetting sorry.
@@LadyKSailing lol, no problem. I just had to do research for myself. Instead of letting you do it for my lazy ass.😜😜😜
Looking at a Neptune 33, anyone any advice?
Hi Rob, my advice is don’t....... go for a 35 far far better. Mine has 2 cabins 2 heads both with showers and many more fetchers the 33 don’t. The most important being the 35 entrance is from the cockpit much safer and much more sociable with 2 on board you can see and talk down the hatch, pass a cup per up when someone is on the cockpit wheel,I could go on look at one please.Regards Ian.
@@iantring1813 thank you for your reply and advice its most appreciated, i will look at 35ft.. what kind is yours?
Rob, I have to tell you i miss red “ Neptune 33” I’m sorry to say I know nothing about Neptune’s. I’m a Nauticat man through and through . Good luck with your search but as I say you if you won’t to feel safe and have a very well made boat look at the Nauticat range. They hold there price incredible well , you won’t be first across the line but you will get there. Happy sailing. Regards Ian Tring.
I think a deck saloon achieves 90% of what a pilothouse does, without much of the weight, CoG, and windage penalty.
A great boat for people who love stairs!
Did you count the number off steps when you decend in the saingboat......at least 5 ??
I’ve been waiting for you to talk about this one.
Loosely translated from the Finish term for "hot tub paradise" or *HTP* for short.
You talk so much nonsense in your movies. Think even you know so much about sailboats. Essentially. Is there little you know. Sitting in your small apartment is a specialist in sailing. What if you buy a boat yourself? Sailing a little maybe ...