Grayson never gets the respect he deserves. He's either ignored in many Batman stories, or given a small or tragic role. Even in his own comic, he got shot in the head, turned into an a-hole, then gave up being Nightwing again... Here is a fresh idea DC. Let Nightwing be a REAL hero. One that is respected in the way that Batman is, and take advantage of the fact that he has most of the same weapons and skills, yet has a funny/less jaded personality.
Dick Grayson was arguably the most respected character before new 52. His word carried so much weight, there was an issue where the Justice League and the Teen Titans got into a conflict and started fighting but Nightwing just shows up and the fighting ceases. He was able to stop the conflict since he had Batman's respect, so the whole justice league knew he was the real deal and since he was leader of the Teen Titans before he had deep respect on both sides. Nightwing was awesome.
@Braeden Roby Batman is better? Wow, that was a deep thought. I'm glad you put so much perspective into it.... Duh, Batmans had the horns on his heads and Joker has da green hairs... Der.
Omg I feel this so hard. Like I know we’re getting Dick Grayson/Nightwing back soon, but it deffo feels like they’ve regressed his character, and made him less important in the batfamily, despite being the first member of it (excluding Bruce and Alfred for obvious reasons). In the more recent comics and in the DCAU films, Nightwing as a hero and dick Grayson as a son definitely feel neglected. I’d go as far as to say that Bruce is written to not particularly care about dick. I know his character changed permanently after Jason’s death, but he’s kinder to Tim and Damian (and Cass and Duke and Steph) and tries harder with them than he does Dick. Yeah he’s a grown man, but Dick’s character has always been defined by his loyalty to Bruce, his love for Bruce, and his adoration of his found family...which would assume he was getting back what he puts in. He gets shit all from Bruce emotionally, even when Bruce does him wrong and tries to apologise
Yet she used Bruce's DNA to insert into Terry's mom & recreate the parents getting killed in front of his eyes like Bruce's parents were so Terry can be the new Batman. Unless that was for the animated series & Waller like other villains hasn't learned her lesson about playing god & trying to control everything that it will always blow up in her face. Look what she did to Clark's son Jonathan she turned him into a cyborg, she created a clone of Dick but he went insane & became a villain & other lives she's destroyed this woman needs to be put down.
@@R0bert714 That really is no excuse..."I wrote this intently horrible and bad thing so it can be horrible, unnecessary and really fucking creepy. For what purpose? To gross out the Reader? Purely for shock value? Fuck me that is bad. Especially when you consider how good the animated series is. It really did not need that kind of shit so if one of the creators just shits over his own creation like this it makes it doubly offensive and bad.
Main reason that i do care for The Killing Joke animated movie. I feel like it diminishes everything that batman stood for. Batman and catwoman is better and it works.
You guys can thank Bruce Timm for that. He has a weird thing with shipping those two and squeezing it everywhere he can. I believe Batman Beyond is where it started. He even ruined The Killing Joke with it.
@@Mosdra_Kazuma DCAU Batman is the best version of Batman I've seen with the exception of this Barb/Bruce shit. I honestly just pretend it doesn't exist because it makes no sense for the character. I just write it off as some creep who couldn't get a hold of himself before writing something dumb.
@@jsantos4176 Actually it started from barbaras first appearance in batman tas comics and she has always been presented as a massive batman fangirl..And from a female perspective, I can tell you there is nothing weird about a 20yr old college grad falling for a 30 yr old handsome mega rich dude especially after finding out he was the superhero she was crushing on. On batmans side he was always shown as dysfunctional with relationships so yeah, you can all cry sacrilege as much as you want, the relationship made sense and the way it divided the bat family was logical and honestly more mature then if they all had kept a platonic relationship like the rest of you seem to want.
I’d love to see an animated movie with Terry, Dick and Bruce. (Dick sees terry in the bat-suit) Dick: “Can’t let it go can you Bruce?” Bruce by then would be as you saw him in the last episode of Beyond series “Epilogue”
He moved on, became his own man, and developed a new way to live his life as Nightwing❗️He will grow and as time goes on he will get to his future goals with his new team and through any new places Dick travels to along the way😏👍🏼
It was more like nightwing loved her and in the comics, he found out barb was pregnant with Bruce’s child which is in the video. I just believe he honestly loved barb but barb was more into Batman(Bruce)
@@carlosmartin1970 Only in that specific comic. In Most timelines that NEVER Happens (and Rightfully so, because it's Creepy 3x over: Her age, it's his Friend's Daughter, and his Son's Girlfriend)
I have no problems with his shippings (He did give us WonderBats after all) but the fact that he forces Bruce-Babs into everything is just, creepy. And the ship in general is just messed up.
Yeah I'm going to go back to forgetting that someone thought Bruce and Barbara having sex was a good idea. I don't care if it's an alternate timeline, that shit's still gross.
It started out good imo, albeit bloated with sideplots and some really unlikeable characters pushed to the forefront, but the main plot with future batman time travelling was solid. They really dropped the ball in the last third though and worst, committed the cardinal sin of not wrapping up the story and if you wanted the ending you had to buy the new batman beyond comic who isnt terry mcginess anymore. The best part in case you didnt know? Brother eye ends up being defeated quite easily and you wonder wtf terry or any other surviving superhero couldnt have pulled it off.
Since Timm had a negative viewpoint on how things turned out between Bruce and Dick, and that Bruce had an affair with Barbara, that Dick might have a relationship with Selina, which would have been wrong also. Now, mind you, I wouldn't have liked this. But it seemed conspicuous by Dick and Selina's absence. Hmm. The BB universe seems to be mired with bad choices by Bruce.
It could be that it's set in an alternate continuity or as Barbara Gordon said in the movie Return of the Joker, "Dick Grayson, Nightwing, had left to establish himself in another city." when telling Terry about the Joker's last laugh on them before he died. Or the Robin losing an eye to the Joker part was just talking about how he lost an eye before Batman Beyond began.
@busymike But in the flashback when Dick and Babs are together was after Joker died. And Dick still has his both of his eyeballs. But it was shown that he lost his eye in confrontation with the Joker. That's the confusion.
The photo you used at the start just as you mentioned Dick Grayson, is actually an image of Tim Drake. Easy mistake to make and I'm just nerding out. Very much enjoyed the video.
Sorry to be “that guy” but the creators of btas didn’t “decide” to captialize on anything. They way the story goes warner bros wanted to revamp the batman show, whether or not the boys we’re going to be part of the new show was not the wb’s concern but these guys we’re instrumental in the production of the animated series so why not invite them in to pitch new show ideas. According to bruce timm and paul dini in interviews they were against a new show at the time cuz they felt they had nailed the tone, look and really hit thier stride with the series by that point but due to a decline in ratings the studio was Convinced that btas had run it’s course. The studio said the typical things like they wanted to reboot the batman make him younger, sleeker and little less brooding. A point which bruce and paul we’re immediatly against, they drew heavy inspiration from the comics so to mess with the formula was sacreligious to these comic nerds. But admist thier venting thier frustration to one another they eventually did ask themselves “well if we did do it, how would we do it?” They both have admitted they drew alot of inspiration from spider-man and even in the design of the new batman, Steven Ditko being one of bruce timm’s artistic influences growing up
infact one could make the arguement that it was paul and bruce’s love and respect for batman continuity and lore that gave batman beyond it’s setting in the future. They didn’t want to rewrite bruce wayne so they said all those adventures he had with his robins and rogue’s gallery and the gcpd all that happened so this new story has to take place decades later when bruce wayne cannot physically do the job anymore.
Has Waller ever struck you as an eggs in one basket type of lady? I bet she has multiple contingency plans for bed time, so a few extra batmen would be no thing to her.
Bruce sleeping with Barbara is just as gross and wrong as Norman Osborn sleeping with Gwen Stacy. Some of these writers needs to lose permission to write.
In the Animated series, they always hinted that Barbara was more fascinated with Bruce than Dick, so it makes sense, on that universe, that they ended up together, at least for a short time
Steew why would you say that? That he is her father? In the continuity of the Animated Series, they meet when she’s entering her 20’s, grown up already, and they always hinted at the fact that Barbara was in love with Batman
Having a romantic relationship between Bruce and Barbara is a bad decision for multiple reasons. First problem is due to their age difference but that isn’t the main problem for me. Second is the fact that she is Jim Gordon’s daughter and I believe Bruce would never disrespect him by dating her. Third is that Bruce is more into women who are hardcore and very mature, people who understand the hardships of life, like Catwoman and Talia al Ghul. And fourth, there’s no chemistry or attraction between the two (outside of Barbara’s crush on him, which is natural but just that). I don’t know why Bruce Tim wants this relationship between the two. I won’t judge him for it, it’s his opinion, but the story he had between them in the comics of this show was too much for me. Plus, it’s obvious that even Tim understood why a relationship wouldn’t work between them, he didn’t have to have the two date and bang. It’s just weird and doesn’t even work when thinking about it. Batman dating Wonder Woman or even Lois Lang (I’m not kidding, that seriously happened) makes more sense than this.
The WonderBat thing makes even less sense. Given that Batman Beyond is connected with JL, nothing comes of it. So why did the producers decide to go that route? Diana is not a Bat-groupie.
Your starting statement is incorrect. Warner Brothers animation approached the DCAU creators about tailor making another series to cater to a younger audience involving Batman in high school. The creators made what became Batman Beyond and surprisingly, the Warner heads gave it the green light. They had ABSOLUTELY no intention of making this show
@@malev6057 I do apologise He was very badass indeed Remember the episode he had a giant tuning fork tower that made everyone unable to understand each other Magnificent He was very clever
@@joshua.dmurphy8643 no need to apologize. I remember how Terry cancelled almost virtually all sound around him and Shriek except for their footsteps by manipulating his tech or something. That was a cool and interesting moment for me.
Yes I remember watching this way back when and wondering the same thing. I don't think I ever finished the series so I assumed I must have missed the episode where what happened to Dick Grayson was explained. Now I see the explanation is in the comics. But speaking of the end of this series. Didn't Batman Beyond end during a Justice League episode? If I remember correctly Batman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern traveled to a future Gotham city in this episode and it didn't work out too well for the second Batman. Anyway thanks for the vid.
I know right? Its so out of character for anyone to act like this. Feeling bad for my boi Grayson man. He became funny chararismatic guy to this. He deserve happiness.
Thats not remotely true, Bruce and Barbara is only from the animated series thats true, but superman had his own series at the time and wonder woman wasnt even there yet til they made the jla animated series years later.
@@jerekheadrick3379 Barbara was a massive batman fangirl even before they met, and once she found out he was a handsome billionaire...im sorry but this is perfectly reasonable, most women in barbaras position wouldnt hesitate here. And on batmans side he has big intimacy issues and major relationship dysfunctions, he even says as much to wonder woman at one point xD People just dont like having these perfect characters having very human flaws it seems.
@@libertinarey Yeah, well I don't fucking read comics for the realism do I? If I wanted to see flawed characters all I would have to do is look out my fucking window.
The whole debate of whether it's an inappropriate relationship between Bruce & Barbara comes down to how big the age gap is. I usually figured Gordon for being about 20 years older than Bruce, which would make for a considerably smaller age gap between Bruce & Barbara than sometimes depicted, maybe 5-7 years (which is nothing). If it's a 25-year age gap as sometimes shown, well, then whether it's a problem depends a bit more as to whether she's 18 or 28. At 28 you're not only a legal adult, but you've mature enough to decide to enter a relationship with an older person.
DC keeps trying to force a Batman/Batgirl thing. I'm convinced they just like pissing the fans off every now & again. If you consider all of Bruce's personality, IF anything ever happened with Barbara it'd be a 1 off b/c he'd be bored of her. Just the same as Talia is too far the other extreme, he'd spend more time trying to keep her in check & stay pissed at her. It's cool to see Dick & Barbara together in early years & I'm A-ok seeing him with whatever Starfire's real name is.
@@MrPsychic8472 yeah they couldn't sign off on know kid getting tortured brutally and killed thing regardless if it's his OG backstory or Street Punk story for an origin story.
I appreciate the video and it looks like some really poor writing. Dick was better than that, batman having sex with Barbra seems like a crime. Then again, taking a child into vigilantly crime fighting won't will you father of the year.
Does anyone notice the beyond bat kinda looks like the hawk? I always thought it was for a reason, maybe a transformation bats went through after Greyson matured. This was no tragedy, robin grew up and found his own way. Of course there’s only one Batman but is t that the point? Just a sidenote
WHAT I IMAGINE COULD BE ADDED IN A NEW DIFFERENT VERSION OF (BATMAN BEYOND) SHOW: First off, I imagine Richard “Dick” Greyson aka NightWing, he is a widowed man, father of two, and grandfather of five kids. I imagine before he became a widowed man, he found his destined love, married her, and had a daughter & son with her. I imagine his daughter (Marie Lee Greyson) she grew up to become a detective, and she has amazing computer skills. I imagine Dick’s son (Allen Smith Greyson) he grew up to become a Doctor, and he knows how to do martial-arts. I also imagine each of Dick Greyson’s kids, found their destined true love, got married to them, and are happily married. I imagine Dick’s daughter MARIE, had three kids, two daughters, and one son; Her first daughter is LILLY, 2nd. daughter is ELLIN, and her son’s name is DAVID. I imagine Dick’s son had two kids with his wife, a daughter, and a son; His grandson’s name is BOBBY, and his granddaughter’s name is CYNTHIA. I imagine Allen Smith Greyson’s son, BOBBY S. GREYSON, he later discovers his grandfather’s past, and he decides he wants to become the new NightWing. I imagine Allen Smith Greyson’s daughter, CYNTHIA ROSE GREYSON, she decides to learn about, all types of science. And her dream is to become the best scientist who surpasses all others, but unlike other scientists, she would live her life by a genuine moral-code. In addition I imagine this realm’s variant of Barbra Gordon, she cheated on Dick Greyson with, RedHood aka (Jason Todd). I also I imagine that she got pregnant by Jason Todd, and at one point she decided to temporarily quit, in order to raise her baby boy.
I’m glad they did Dick better. Him losing an eye sucked to see. He became butter and resentful of Bruce. That little boy that wanted revenge for his Parents grew up and hated the man who took him in. I’m glad it got retconned
They wanted to introduce Jason into the cartoon show apparently but that idea got shot down by the producers. In the end they had mixed Jason and Tim Drake (The then current Robin) for the show which is why Tims Fate is so different compared to his comic counterpart.
The way they handle Dick Grayson for the Beyond series is just weak, absolute weak writing and plain out lazy. There’s no way he would just hang it up and quit, it’s not within his character to do so. He truly is the successor to Batman and would fight crime to his last breathe.
The first episode that showed Bruce(in black suit with red bat) rescued an heiress from abductors who wanted money form her parents.They even had TV that were watching and a news reaport of her abduction was on it. she had been taken. Bruce rescued her, but nearly killed on of the abductors with one of their guns. He gave it up, and close the batcave. That was 2019-now. Then theres the flash forward to 2039. Thats when the show with Terry as Batman(happens later in part 2). How is you didn't understand that?
wtf Is up the background noise? I had to stop the video twice to check I don't have some other video in the background. So distracting :D for example at 3:20 it sounds like there is some sort of epic Dragonball Z staredown going on when you're telling about bruce having a celebration and dick also coming to visit?
Please, DC quit having Batman and Babara be a thing and make them have a sexual encounter every time. Not only does it make him seem creepy, it makes him dick to not only Dick Grayson but also Commissioner Gordon by having him screwing his daughter and it just ruins his character and I can see now why everyone left him in the beginning of the show.
MY THOUGHTS ON WHAT WAS JUST REVEALED ABOUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO (DICK GRAYSON)?: Now I really like the story information that was just revealed about what happened to (Dick Grayson) within the storyline of (BATMAN BEYOND). An so I think if & when the cartoon show series of (BATMAN BEYOND) might get rebooted; Than I think that it should include the character (DICK GRAYSON) in it, and not only that I think the reboot version should include (Damian Wayne) as well, and to add a few other familiar characters too.
I'd definitely agree with them both being included, especially as Dick and Damian are two of my favourite members of the Bat family, but I think I'd rather they continued a roughly similar route to the comic book series rather than a complete reboot.
I accept only the shows as canon (including movies) because comics just ruin a lot of this. Just look at some of the early canon Star Wars comics (the one ending soon, the main run) they kind of screw some of the believability of the movies. In my head canon he went on as Nightwing for years and simply retired and lived off of wealth from stocks in Wayne enterprise.
Grayson never gets the respect he deserves. He's either ignored in many Batman stories, or given a small or tragic role. Even in his own comic, he got shot in the head, turned into an a-hole, then gave up being Nightwing again... Here is a fresh idea DC. Let Nightwing be a REAL hero. One that is respected in the way that Batman is, and take advantage of the fact that he has most of the same weapons and skills, yet has a funny/less jaded personality.
Dick Grayson was arguably the most respected character before new 52.
His word carried so much weight, there was an issue where the Justice League and the Teen Titans got into a conflict and started fighting but Nightwing just shows up and the fighting ceases.
He was able to stop the conflict since he had Batman's respect, so the whole justice league knew he was the real deal and since he was leader of the Teen Titans before he had deep respect on both sides.
Nightwing was awesome.
Dick's character only got justice in OG Teen Titans where he is extremely respected, prob best Dick by far.
The cops in gotham actually liked Dick better as Batman then Bruce
@Braeden Roby Batman is better? Wow, that was a deep thought. I'm glad you put so much perspective into it.... Duh, Batmans had the horns on his heads and Joker has da green hairs... Der.
Omg I feel this so hard. Like I know we’re getting Dick Grayson/Nightwing back soon, but it deffo feels like they’ve regressed his character, and made him less important in the batfamily, despite being the first member of it (excluding Bruce and Alfred for obvious reasons). In the more recent comics and in the DCAU films, Nightwing as a hero and dick Grayson as a son definitely feel neglected. I’d go as far as to say that Bruce is written to not particularly care about dick. I know his character changed permanently after Jason’s death, but he’s kinder to Tim and Damian (and Cass and Duke and Steph) and tries harder with them than he does Dick. Yeah he’s a grown man, but Dick’s character has always been defined by his loyalty to Bruce, his love for Bruce, and his adoration of his found family...which would assume he was getting back what he puts in. He gets shit all from Bruce emotionally, even when Bruce does him wrong and tries to apologise
I really hate when they make Bruce and Barbara have any kind of romance with each other. It’s just too weird
it wasn't right.
@labuto mar Even Comedian Joker would be terrified.
It was a bit traumatizing.
Yeah, it's fucking weird. Don't approve of that at all
@@georgejoestarii9469 I mean joker was like 10 years older than Bruce when he met Harley Quinn and she was in her mid-20s early 30s
The fact that Waller recognized Dick as the best choice for Batmans successor, tingles me just right.
I bet if he'd know about her stealing his DNA from the hospital there would've been words between them
I agree 💯
He is the best choice. There is nobody comparable.
Yet she used Bruce's DNA to insert into Terry's mom & recreate the parents getting killed in front of his eyes like Bruce's parents were so Terry can be the new Batman. Unless that was for the animated series & Waller like other villains hasn't learned her lesson about playing god & trying to control everything that it will always blow up in her face. Look what she did to Clark's son Jonathan she turned him into a cyborg, she created a clone of Dick but he went insane & became a villain & other lives she's destroyed this woman needs to be put down.
@@Catsclaw-ru6zw To be fair, she tried to clone both Bruce and Dick
The whole Barbara/Bruce dynamic creeps me out. I wish they would let it go.
Is there even a justification for this interaction?
THANK YOU!!! Oh my God! It's sick!
Agree
@@R0bert714 That really is no excuse..."I wrote this intently horrible and bad thing so it can be horrible, unnecessary and really fucking creepy.
For what purpose? To gross out the Reader? Purely for shock value? Fuck me that is bad. Especially when you consider how good the animated series is. It really did not need that kind of shit so if one of the creators just shits over his own creation like this it makes it doubly offensive and bad.
Main reason that i do care for The Killing Joke animated movie. I feel like it diminishes everything that batman stood for. Batman and catwoman is better and it works.
Soo he became Fury...
777 777 I like to call him dick fury
Right lol
Until the recon
Funny how he looks like Slade.
My thoughts exactly. Lol
Im not pleased with either of these storylines lol. It seems no one knows what to do with Nightwing anymore.
Dick Fury:Agent of Neo Gotham..
Lmao
Lost respect for Bruce for impregnating Barbara...like wtf
same here then entire dcau made me hate batman
You guys can thank Bruce Timm for that. He has a weird thing with shipping those two and squeezing it everywhere he can. I believe Batman Beyond is where it started. He even ruined The Killing Joke with it.
@@Mosdra_Kazuma DCAU Batman is the best version of Batman I've seen with the exception of this Barb/Bruce shit. I honestly just pretend it doesn't exist because it makes no sense for the character. I just write it off as some creep who couldn't get a hold of himself before writing something dumb.
@@jsantos4176 Actually it started from barbaras first appearance in batman tas comics and she has always been presented as a massive batman fangirl..And from a female perspective, I can tell you there is nothing weird about a 20yr old college grad falling for a 30 yr old handsome mega rich dude especially after finding out he was the superhero she was crushing on. On batmans side he was always shown as dysfunctional with relationships so yeah, you can all cry sacrilege as much as you want, the relationship made sense and the way it divided the bat family was logical and honestly more mature then if they all had kept a platonic relationship like the rest of you seem to want.
@ J Santos The Killing Joke isn't part of the Timmverse
Your music background is too loud, overwhelm your voiceover. Good content tho
I'll try and keep it lowered in the future then. Thanks
Into My Portal legit can barely hear u over it
@@jtparker6286 Yeah I'm gonna fix that in future videos
I don't know. I heard him perfectly fine. The music was way lower than his voice for me.
@Into My Portal dude u we’re fine dont listen to other ppl unless its alot of ppl saying it..u do ur style i loved it!
I’d love to see an animated movie with Terry, Dick and Bruce.
(Dick sees terry in the bat-suit)
Dick: “Can’t let it go can you Bruce?”
Bruce by then would be as you saw him in the last episode of Beyond series “Epilogue”
He moved on, became his own man, and developed a new way to live his life as Nightwing❗️He will grow and as time goes on he will get to his future goals with his new team and through any new places Dick travels to along the way😏👍🏼
Timm always creeped me out with his Bruce-Babs fetish
It was more like nightwing loved her and in the comics, he found out barb was pregnant with Bruce’s child which is in the video. I just believe he honestly loved barb but barb was more into Batman(Bruce)
@@carlosmartin1970 Only in that specific comic.
In Most timelines that NEVER Happens (and Rightfully so, because it's Creepy 3x over: Her age, it's his Friend's Daughter, and his Son's Girlfriend)
You're not the only one.
I have no problems with his shippings (He did give us WonderBats after all) but the fact that he forces Bruce-Babs into everything is just, creepy. And the ship in general is just messed up.
Although the whole Bruce getting Babs pregnant isn't canon to the DCAU,Timm himself said it
Yeah I'm going to go back to forgetting that someone thought Bruce and Barbara having sex was a good idea. I don't care if it's an alternate timeline, that shit's still gross.
How?
xxsniper thekid because it’s his adopted sons girlfriend and Gordon’s daughter
@@randomcomment262 Key word "adopted". Does it really matter?
For you to ask that, I'm gonna guess that you're very young and don't have a kid, adopted or otherwise.
For the record; yeah, it matters.
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Futures end sucks so bad it's not even worth mentioning
It started out good imo, albeit bloated with sideplots and some really unlikeable characters pushed to the forefront, but the main plot with future batman time travelling was solid. They really dropped the ball in the last third though and worst, committed the cardinal sin of not wrapping up the story and if you wanted the ending you had to buy the new batman beyond comic who isnt terry mcginess anymore. The best part in case you didnt know? Brother eye ends up being defeated quite easily and you wonder wtf terry or any other surviving superhero couldnt have pulled it off.
Since Timm had a negative viewpoint on how things turned out between Bruce and Dick, and that Bruce had an affair with Barbara, that Dick might have a relationship with Selina, which would have been wrong also. Now, mind you, I wouldn't have liked this. But it seemed conspicuous by Dick and Selina's absence. Hmm. The BB universe seems to be mired with bad choices by Bruce.
Dick's daughter looks suspiciously like Selina
Blue eyes, tanned skin, short hair
How did joker take his eye when joker died already
It could be that it's set in an alternate continuity or as Barbara Gordon said in the movie Return of the Joker, "Dick Grayson, Nightwing, had left to establish himself in another city." when telling Terry about the Joker's last laugh on them before he died. Or the Robin losing an eye to the Joker part was just talking about how he lost an eye before Batman Beyond began.
Yeah I was also wondering. Then again Batman Beyond has always between this state of canon or uncanon to DCAU. It's confusing to be honest.
@busymike But in the flashback when Dick and Babs are together was after Joker died. And Dick still has his both of his eyeballs. But it was shown that he lost his eye in confrontation with the Joker. That's the confusion.
The Batman Beyond mini series does not take place in the same continuity as the show. Just like how Batman Beyond 2.0 and rebirth aren't either.
@@pek-x4y Did they get rid of that ridiculous romance between Barbra and Bruce?
Wait! So the “Night Wing” costume wasn’t bulletproof He was running around in a Halloween costume?
Can we just have a fun and happy Dick Grayson? Please? Just let him be happy.
The photo you used at the start just as you mentioned Dick Grayson, is actually an image of Tim Drake. Easy mistake to make and I'm just nerding out. Very much enjoyed the video.
Yeah I've read about the error a few times ha, my mistake :). Thanks!
Sorry to be “that guy” but the creators of btas didn’t “decide” to captialize on anything. They way the story goes warner bros wanted to revamp the batman show, whether or not the boys we’re going to be part of the new show was not the wb’s concern but these guys we’re instrumental in the production of the animated series so why not invite them in to pitch new show ideas. According to bruce timm and paul dini in interviews they were against a new show at the time cuz they felt they had nailed the tone, look and really hit thier stride with the series by that point but due to a decline in ratings the studio was Convinced that btas had run it’s course. The studio said the typical things like they wanted to reboot the batman make him younger, sleeker and little less brooding. A point which bruce and paul we’re immediatly against, they drew heavy inspiration from the comics so to mess with the formula was sacreligious to these comic nerds. But admist thier venting thier frustration to one another they eventually did ask themselves “well if we did do it, how would we do it?” They both have admitted they drew alot of inspiration from spider-man and even in the design of the new batman, Steven Ditko being one of bruce timm’s artistic influences growing up
I didn't honestly realise that's how it happened. At least they took a different direction that worked out then.
infact one could make the arguement that it was paul and bruce’s love and respect for batman continuity and lore that gave batman beyond it’s setting in the future. They didn’t want to rewrite bruce wayne so they said all those adventures he had with his robins and rogue’s gallery and the gcpd all that happened so this new story has to take place decades later when bruce wayne cannot physically do the job anymore.
Why would Waller need to create another Batman contingency clone when Terry is basically already that.
Has Waller ever struck you as an eggs in one basket type of lady? I bet she has multiple contingency plans for bed time, so a few extra batmen would be no thing to her.
fail safe
Terry isn’t so much a clone as he is a true genetic son of Bruce’s, created by altering the dna of Bruce’s father.
What happen to damia wayne is he even in this universe
@@gersainc. Yup, he became new Rah's
Brought Me Solace..Knowing My Home Boy Made It..
Mayor Of A City He Would Put His Life On The Line For..
Pretty Cool Turn Out
Bruce sleeping with Barbara is just as gross and wrong as Norman Osborn sleeping with Gwen Stacy.
Some of these writers needs to lose permission to write.
the author is just as bad as Frank millar
In the Animated series, they always hinted that Barbara was more fascinated with Bruce than Dick, so it makes sense, on that universe, that they ended up together, at least for a short time
@@eduardopazhurtado3882 I mean.. sure?
But Bruce is practically her father (I know her real father is Gordon)
Still unsettling
Steew why would you say that? That he is her father? In the continuity of the Animated Series, they meet when she’s entering her 20’s, grown up already, and they always hinted at the fact that Barbara was in love with Batman
@@tavianarmstrong974 ex, yes but current gf, no
Has anyone else noticed that (beyondverse) Dick Grayson looks exactly like General Nick Fury
Having a romantic relationship between Bruce and Barbara is a bad decision for multiple reasons.
First problem is due to their age difference but that isn’t the main problem for me. Second is the fact that she is Jim Gordon’s daughter and I believe Bruce would never disrespect him by dating her. Third is that Bruce is more into women who are hardcore and very mature, people who understand the hardships of life, like Catwoman and Talia al Ghul. And fourth, there’s no chemistry or attraction between the two (outside of Barbara’s crush on him, which is natural but just that).
I don’t know why Bruce Tim wants this relationship between the two. I won’t judge him for it, it’s his opinion, but the story he had between them in the comics of this show was too much for me. Plus, it’s obvious that even Tim understood why a relationship wouldn’t work between them, he didn’t have to have the two date and bang. It’s just weird and doesn’t even work when thinking about it. Batman dating Wonder Woman or even Lois Lang (I’m not kidding, that seriously happened) makes more sense than this.
The WonderBat thing makes even less sense. Given that Batman Beyond is connected with JL, nothing comes of it. So why did the producers decide to go that route? Diana is not a Bat-groupie.
Your starting statement is incorrect. Warner Brothers animation approached the DCAU creators about tailor making another series to cater to a younger audience involving Batman in high school. The creators made what became Batman Beyond and surprisingly, the Warner heads gave it the green light. They had ABSOLUTELY no intention of making this show
Batman beyond was very intrestesting
Some of the beyond villains were badass perticurly ink, blight and spellbinder
I loved the show
Same, looking forward to re-watching it when the new box set is out
@@IntoMyPortal I'm getting it today
You missed out Shriek
@@malev6057 I do apologise
He was very badass indeed
Remember the episode he had a giant tuning fork tower that made everyone unable to understand each other
Magnificent
He was very clever
@@joshua.dmurphy8643 no need to apologize. I remember how Terry cancelled almost virtually all sound around him and Shriek except for their footsteps by manipulating his tech or something. That was a cool and interesting moment for me.
I like the mayor twist, that’s more fitting of his character just being more pure and good
Dick Greyson is the James T Kirk of DC Comics. His daughter’s mother could be anyone.
This is why I love DC I wish they had series about Batman beyond or a movie that is not a cartoon
He doesn't like being sidekick then goes on to be goverments lapdog. Bullock's lol
Underrated video dude. Keep it up
Cheers, appreciate it!
Yes I remember watching this way back when and wondering the same thing. I don't think I ever finished the series so I assumed I must have missed the episode where what happened to Dick Grayson was explained. Now I see the explanation is in the comics. But speaking of the end of this series. Didn't Batman Beyond end during a Justice League episode? If I remember correctly Batman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern traveled to a future Gotham city in this episode and it didn't work out too well for the second Batman. Anyway thanks for the vid.
No problem
Dont worry that second batman got restored when the timeline got fixed along with everyone else.
Problem comes as this, these characters, are not making their choices, it is from the individuals who are working on these titles to make a storyline.
Cause these characters arent real???
@@sidjayamohan7863 haha real funny.
I know right? Its so out of character for anyone to act like this. Feeling bad for my boi Grayson man. He became funny chararismatic guy to this. He deserve happiness.
3:56 I think her Mother might be Starfire
Oh my god, older Dick looks like Xigbar from Kingdom Hearts!
I understood that Dick became some sort of super spy after he was tortured and exposed as Nightwing.
This was surprisingly a good video. Make more Batman videos
Appreciate it, got more Batman ones planned just finding the time. Don't worry they'll be coming
Any story line that has Batman sleep with Batgirl can never be excepted as canon
So Grayson did make an appearance on Batman Beyond and we have had comic books since then to fill in the holes...
I had always hoped Dick and Barbara would wind up together. It makes sense, they're the perfect couple. That's probably why they never did it
My thoughts exactly. Even though Dick had many love interests, Barbara was always the one for him. They should've been endgame.
Nope, starfire is better choice for dick and also starfire is pregnant from dick.despite of barbara starfire never cheated him
Depends on the particular storyline as to whether or not she cheated.
I guess there is a conflict . Dick Gryson took the role of Batman for some time where this role is played by Terry in Batman beyond.
By no means am I a comic expert or anything like that, but Bruce and Barbra? That just doesn't sound right...
It is based on the animated series that made Batman the best hero and bashed superman and twisted wonder woman made her steal her armour
Thats not remotely true, Bruce and Barbara is only from the animated series thats true, but superman had his own series at the time and wonder woman wasnt even there yet til they made the jla animated series years later.
It's really not. It was super out of character for both of them.
@@jerekheadrick3379 Barbara was a massive batman fangirl even before they met, and once she found out he was a handsome billionaire...im sorry but this is perfectly reasonable, most women in barbaras position wouldnt hesitate here. And on batmans side he has big intimacy issues and major relationship dysfunctions, he even says as much to wonder woman at one point xD People just dont like having these perfect characters having very human flaws it seems.
@@libertinarey Yeah, well I don't fucking read comics for the realism do I? If I wanted to see flawed characters all I would have to do is look out my fucking window.
In short, he is alive and became a politician.
Yea none of this was actually Canon to the show
The whole debate of whether it's an inappropriate relationship between Bruce & Barbara comes down to how big the age gap is. I usually figured Gordon for being about 20 years older than Bruce, which would make for a considerably smaller age gap between Bruce & Barbara than sometimes depicted, maybe 5-7 years (which is nothing). If it's a 25-year age gap as sometimes shown, well, then whether it's a problem depends a bit more as to whether she's 18 or 28. At 28 you're not only a legal adult, but you've mature enough to decide to enter a relationship with an older person.
Sooo, his final nickname was Dick Fury?
Ok I've been behind on the comics and any other media related to it. I know I may catch a lot of flack for asking but where is Jason?
So he went from Robin, to nightwing, to becoming nick fury?
Bruce Timm- We want to add a dark love triangle and a miscarriage.
WB- What?
He went from Nightwing to Nick Fury lol
What happened to Jason todd.
stay tuned...
Holy shi.... Had to put this at 1.5 speed just for this lithium speaker to sound like he's talking at a normal human rate
That's cool that I got to find out what happened Dick Grayson during Batman Beyond. :-)
Glad you liked it
I just subbed keep up the good work
Thanks! I have more planned just been super busy recently
So Barbra isn't paralyzed anymore
In the series they never went down that road.
@@IntoMyPortal yeah you're right and even if they did im pretty sure they could cure her with future medicine!
Dicks clone story would make an amazing animated movie imo
Wait joker got a lucky shot on his spine too? I remember this writing being a lot better when i was younger
Ha yeah there's always a few books, shows, etc, that seemed way better as kids
Thanks for video.
Way to go viral! 👍🏾
That's Harley Quinn daughter
Dick Grayson also has a daughter with Starfire named Mari ?
Luckily he's not like this in beyond anymore
He's just middle aged so younger
And not hateful plus he has a daughter the new batwoman
Bats is gonna smash her too lol
The only question is, are the costumes on or off?🤔
@@blood_sausage9620 well he has no costume but hes the mayor
And batwoman beyond is now blue like nightwing
What happened to the love-relationship between Dick Grayson and Starfire?
Batman beyond was a great show. Wish they had kept it going.
DC keeps trying to force a Batman/Batgirl thing. I'm convinced they just like pissing the fans off every now & again. If you consider all of Bruce's personality, IF anything ever happened with Barbara it'd be a 1 off b/c he'd be bored of her. Just the same as Talia is too far the other extreme, he'd spend more time trying to keep her in check & stay pissed at her. It's cool to see Dick & Barbara together in early years & I'm A-ok seeing him with whatever Starfire's real name is.
What about Jason Todd?
He didn't exist in the world of Batman TAS, and he hasn't been referenced or seen in the books as of yet, as far as I know anyway.
His back story was blended with Tim Drake
@@MrPsychic8472 yeah they couldn't sign off on know kid getting tortured brutally and killed thing regardless if it's his OG backstory or Street Punk story for an origin story.
Maybe turn down the music a tad
I appreciate the video and it looks like some really poor writing. Dick was better than that, batman having sex with Barbra seems like a crime. Then again, taking a child into vigilantly crime fighting won't will you father of the year.
It's non Canon except the recon at the end
Does anyone notice the beyond bat kinda looks like the hawk? I always thought it was for a reason, maybe a transformation bats went through after Greyson matured. This was no tragedy, robin grew up and found his own way. Of course there’s only one Batman but is t that the point? Just a sidenote
I agree, I don't mind where they took Grayson.
In my universe Dick becomes commissioner Grayson with a son “Commander Hawkins” who’s head of a Task Force to hunt Terry down in Lego Batman Beyond 2
Thnx for the great video
Thanks for the kind words!
What bout the jason todd
Any news bout him?
Thank you for this video
No worries!
WHAT I IMAGINE COULD BE ADDED IN A NEW DIFFERENT VERSION OF (BATMAN BEYOND) SHOW:
First off, I imagine Richard “Dick” Greyson aka NightWing, he is a widowed man, father of two, and grandfather of five kids.
I imagine before he became a widowed man, he found his destined love, married her, and had a daughter & son with her.
I imagine his daughter (Marie Lee Greyson) she grew up to become a detective, and she has amazing computer skills.
I imagine Dick’s son (Allen Smith Greyson) he grew up to become a Doctor, and he knows how to do martial-arts.
I also imagine each of Dick Greyson’s kids, found their destined true love, got married to them, and are happily married.
I imagine Dick’s daughter MARIE, had three kids, two daughters, and one son; Her first daughter is LILLY, 2nd. daughter is ELLIN, and her son’s name is DAVID.
I imagine Dick’s son had two kids with his wife, a daughter, and a son; His grandson’s name is BOBBY, and his granddaughter’s name is CYNTHIA.
I imagine Allen Smith Greyson’s son, BOBBY S. GREYSON, he later discovers his grandfather’s past, and he decides he wants to become the new NightWing.
I imagine Allen Smith Greyson’s daughter, CYNTHIA ROSE GREYSON, she decides to learn about, all types of science.
And her dream is to become the best scientist who surpasses all others, but unlike other scientists, she would live her life by a genuine moral-code.
In addition I imagine this realm’s variant of Barbra Gordon, she cheated on Dick Greyson with, RedHood aka (Jason Todd).
I also I imagine that she got pregnant by Jason Todd, and at one point she decided to temporarily quit, in order to raise her baby boy.
I’m glad they did Dick better. Him losing an eye sucked to see. He became butter and resentful of Bruce. That little boy that wanted revenge for his Parents grew up and hated the man who took him in. I’m glad it got retconned
where's the background music from?
I'm mean I guess Jason isn't cannon in the BTAU or JLAU.
Where was Jason Todd
He is not in this cartoon series.
They wanted to introduce Jason into the cartoon show apparently but that idea got shot down by the producers. In the end they had mixed Jason and Tim Drake (The then current Robin) for the show which is why Tims Fate is so different compared to his comic counterpart.
Roger Fry he’s not in this universe they kinda made Jason Todd and tim drake the same person
Jason in the Batman Beyond comics is still Red Hood and being brought back to life by a Lazarus pit has halted his aging to a crawl
Shield Medic ur lien
Turn music down
is this comic even set in the dcau though? i thought the current beyond series was set in the normal dc continuity
Dick should've stayed with Starfire, and raised babies!
The way they handle Dick Grayson for the Beyond series is just weak, absolute weak writing and plain out lazy. There’s no way he would just hang it up and quit, it’s not within his character to do so. He truly is the successor to Batman and would fight crime to his last breathe.
*This is so outta character!!!*
But they gotta stir the pot for drama.
Slade/DC Nick Fury grayson is way better than mayor grayson. It just doesn't make sense after all the mystery build up from Return of the Joker
No wonder Barbara warned Terry to not get started on Grayson
My biggest question only heard barber mention him when him and terry has coffee
I thought the show took place in 2019?
The first episode that showed Bruce(in black suit with red bat) rescued an heiress from abductors who wanted money form her parents.They even had TV that were watching and a news reaport of her abduction was on it. she had been taken. Bruce rescued her, but nearly killed on of the abductors with one of their guns. He gave it up, and close the batcave. That was 2019-now. Then theres the flash forward to 2039. Thats when the show with Terry as Batman(happens later in part 2). How is you didn't understand that?
wtf Is up the background noise? I had to stop the video twice to check I don't have some other video in the background. So distracting :D for example at 3:20 it sounds like there is some sort of epic Dragonball Z staredown going on when you're telling about bruce having a celebration and dick also coming to visit?
😂
Despite Epilogue, Whaler is a cold bih
Please, DC quit having Batman and Babara be a thing and make them have a sexual encounter every time. Not only does it make him seem creepy, it makes him dick to not only Dick Grayson but also Commissioner Gordon by having him screwing his daughter and it just ruins his character and I can see now why everyone left him in the beginning of the show.
Probably doesn't matter who his daughter's mother is. Tim Drake had a wife too, who was nobody previously.
Could the mother be Starfire?
MY THOUGHTS ON WHAT WAS JUST REVEALED ABOUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO (DICK GRAYSON)?:
Now I really like the story information that was just revealed about what happened to (Dick Grayson) within the storyline of (BATMAN BEYOND).
An so I think if & when the cartoon show series of (BATMAN BEYOND) might get rebooted; Than I think that it should include the character (DICK GRAYSON) in it, and not only that I think the reboot version should include (Damian Wayne) as well, and to add a few other familiar characters too.
I'd definitely agree with them both being included, especially as Dick and Damian are two of my favourite members of the Bat family, but I think I'd rather they continued a roughly similar route to the comic book series rather than a complete reboot.
So future Dick becomes a DC Nick Fury.
I accept only the shows as canon (including movies) because comics just ruin a lot of this. Just look at some of the early canon Star Wars comics (the one ending soon, the main run) they kind of screw some of the believability of the movies. In my head canon he went on as Nightwing for years and simply retired and lived off of wealth from stocks in Wayne enterprise.
Where Damian Wayne in batman beyond next video
Damian didn't exist back then
Could do...
Damian took over the league of assassins and reforged them. The suit from batman beyond what Terry uses was originally his.
Kinda don't make sense, If Night Wing(Dick Grayson) waa accidentally Killed by Damien Damien Wayne (Current Robin)
I just want one fight between nightwing and batman... Where dick wins...
That's what they need to do really, Duke it out.
But where was Jason Todd?
Is he dead.......again?