Catching Cowboy builders on Camera PT 2, it gets worse!!
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That ducting doesnt comply, needs to be insulated when passing through a non heated roof space. Hot air hits cold air & condenses causing water.
Tut tut Nick!! 😂
There is no one to report them to.
I've found work equally as bad as this where the electrician has been NIC affiliated.
When I contacted the NIC they were not interested but instead asked me to pay them £799 + VAT and they would come and inspect it.
The industry is still rubbish.
All you can do is sue them through the civil courts where they may get a CCJ against them.
NIC are a waste of time
Got a quick tip for siliconed mirrors etc. keep a bit of that nylon banding that’s used on pallets and boxes, use it as a cheese wire to saw down or up the back of the mirror. Yes it’ll damage cable insulation, but most times you get the mirror off in one 👍👍
That is a bloody good tip!!
Garden wire
I am surpriced that no one didn’t put in the law that you cannot just close one ltd and open a new one for the same business. Beside we need better executive order. People are allowed to "disapear" after butchering someones property.
if its a law that effects the poor it stays in
the moment it effects the rich suddenly it changes
The rich get more out of using ltd than the poor so I guess it stays in
happens all the time
Its why we end up with some laws which can easily be fixed and they are never fixed
There is... director strike off, unable to start a new company. Rarely used for builders.
In 2014 i was refurbishing a kitchen in a tenement flat where a certain Gale Black lived , she baulked at the price that my spark (proper pro, vat reg'd and all that)had given to change the consumer unit , and got her "own guy".
Late on a friday afternoon this clown turned up , did a LIVE 63 amp disconnect /re-connect of the mains in from the meter (its a tenement flat) and proceeded to bodge a new rcd board into place , however , one of the bedroom ring mains was dead .
Anyways im busily cleaning the grout in the kitchen when the dodgey spark and flat owner Gale came into the kitchen and spread out several lines of cocain , and snorted away.
He then went back to the box , pulled the whole lot out from the wall and saw a little wire that had been a partial on the old board and the copper was brittle , took a hammer to the plaster untill he found the copper was soft in the cable , connected it like the lights in the video there with chop block and insulation tape , put it all back on the wall , had another line and left .
So if there's a big fire above Droothy Neighbours pub in Edinburgh then look in the hallway of the flat above on the 2nd floor , i bet it starts in the lath+plaster wall.
Makes you wonder what they’ve done in other peoples houses! Good job putting it right.
Different trade but similar experience I’m a joiner and went to check the work done in my mates grand parents house such as stud walls, doors and kitchen everything was way out of square the stud walls didn’t have any noggins this joiner has just got an award for carpentry and joinery in my area
Surprised that you hadn't already installed a new CU for your M-I-L.
My thoughts were why didn't he undertake the electrical work. Ah yes, love jobs, don't get paid for those. Did you charge her for fault finding
Exactly. !!! He's still a colleague boy with van keys
Ha you guy got this kid sussed . My thoughts exactly.
Decent looking job & i bet they did it for a reasonable price, too.
Can't stand people who love slating other people's efforts, to show how clever they are. There isn't a single thing in that bathroom that's as dangerous as the fuse board & he pretty much admits this in the video.
Spend less time slagging other people off & swanning about on fancy holidays (with your TH-cam click bait bucks, no doubt) and try doing something useful with all your fancy knowledge (I.e. actually doing some work, requiring that dodgy old fuse board!)
My sentiment exactly
That loft insulation hanging over into the water tank was giving me anxiety 😂
so it should
To be fair, the bathroom looks nice. The fitters just need to stay well away from electrics
They've just siliconed wet board all over the walls..shite job all round. That outfit need nameshaming. Absolutely chronic workmanship, they will of left a trail of crap wherever they go
That bathroom would have looked nice 40 years ago, and a lot of bathrooms done this way are torn out many years ago because they were crappy moldy death traps that aged horribly. They barely sell this stuff in DIY-stores anymore, it only gets put in old homes of old people by shady companies earning that sweet quick and easy old folk money.
@@Candisa assuming the style was chosen by the customer, i haven't got a clue what you are on about
@@curtisj2165 I'm on about the quality of these crappy plastic panels, probably didn't offer a lot of choice in designs either, not that it matters as they all look equally horrible. Just look at those chrome strips everywhere...
Correct you always get idiots who talk crap you give Customers the choice what they want but it sounds like that fool goes in and tells them what they got to have village idiot comes to mind
i would reccomend insulated ducting as the uninsulated can condense the moisture and over time the duct will fill with water
I've seen issues with that uninsulated ducting. The second the moist air hits the cold loft space it condenses then you have water sitting in the pipe and often running back through the fan into the bathroom.
Spot on! 👌 Had the exact same issue in my loft. Had to buy ducting with added insulation, it sorted the problem..
U fucking legend
First of all, love the channel and watch all video's, commented on the first video. But again, after your first visit and raising concerns, You still allowed them to finish, and now going back to rectify their issues. Lucky no one has been hurt. Why let someone possibly cause serious injury, and then rectify the issues, especially for family.
Now, at least your happy, and your Test Cert now Supersedes theirs.
So he could make a video out of it
Because maybe they would have walked off job and left his mother in law with no bathroom? Easier for him to fix the electrics than a whole bathroom.
so am i wrong in thinking the only actual issue here is no RCD and the ducting? Swapping out the connector blocks for wago's is just a preference i thought and just needed some insulation tape or preferably a box.
The open accesible live connector blocks in the loft, cut CPCs not connected through at each light, cables laid on top of the extractor fan potentially damaging them.
Artisan's work is really going down the pan
I had a bit of an argument with a bathroom fitter recently. He put on fb that he did his own electrics and saved the customer hundreds. I asked him where he did his training and he said TH-cam.
Name and shame the twohat, put him out of business in your area. 👍
@@rogermellie8068🙄
gotta love the extractor fan 😮 wow an attic steam room 👌
Mate did you really screw through the wago box? Next time you pick one up have a look at the side of the box (either side). There is a slot with a plastic tab. That’s what you use to attach them to walls nit screwing though the plastic box. In the unlikely event that something heavy falls on the box or say someone steps on it, the one you screwed in will be destroyed and will need replacing which is why the slot on the side was added. But hey what do I know … I’m not a sparky …
The tabs are great, but the boxes also come with spots marked on the inside to pass a screw through if you don't have a tab/don't want to use it. It's just as good a fixing method.
Nick, a tiny comment on the way you installed the Wago box. The CPC wago should be left floating and not slotted in (however tempting). You'll notice there are two 'fins' that run down each inner side that are designed to fit a 5-way wago for use as the CPC connector. This is so that if a cable is pulled the CPC is the last cable to disconnect.
you might want to grab a plumber because if they are dodgy with the electrics they have most likely bodged them as well.
Anyone can do plumbing everything is just push fit now
@@timahad5165only bellends and cowboys use pushfit...
I bet there is a half bale of hay left in the garden near where he tied his horse while the bodge up was being carried out YE HARR 🐎🐎
I had a bathroom fitted. Everything was crap. They replaced ceiling 3 times, shower tray twice. Re wired it twice. I then made them pull it all out and start again with all new gear. I still had to reword lights again. Lucky I videoed everything and posted on utube. We came to a deal and got 50% back. I signed to say I would take down all video,s . Another reason I am a DIYer
why didnt you just do it yourself then
Because he’s a con man
@jamesdiver2183 that's a question I have for the guy doing all the moaning in the video if it's his mother inlaws house why didn't he wire it for her in the first place
Those lights are for kitchen cupboards. Bet they aren't IP rated. And the connector blocks certainly aren't ok, they need to be in an enclosure, as do the wagos which you're using.
I’ve seen this so many times! That’s probably 90 percent of all all bathrooms I’ve re-wired look like this. I actually quite like fixing this sort of thing. I have said to customers many times that the last people who should be fitting kitchens and bathrooms are bathroom and kitchen fitters.
I didn't know you could have a consumer unit in the meter cupboard.
On subject of bathroom extract fans, I always use the in line mixed flow fans which are a 150mm fan with 100 duct adaotors, very powerful and do the job.
It's good to a rectification video like this. Hopefully non sparks watching this cab see the crap we have to go through after a cowboy has done his bit
I would be more concerned after the electrics that the extractor is venting into the roof and doesn't have the correct tubing to vent to outside so the roof will get wet and then sweat and before she realises it she needs a new roof 😡
i keep on the van female/male push fit lighting connectors for these occasions, like the clickflow push in connector. also latching RCD fused connection unit and fitted outside above the bathroom door to supply bathroom rather then changing the consumer unit on occasions like this.
Looking forward to video 3. That's some shocking work and it's very basic stuff. Do you not use insulated ducting in a loft space? Always find it isn't on a run like that , it condenses and leaks back through . If the house burns down while your away on ya jollys it's Adams fault for not adding an RCD as he's now took liability for the install 😂
Yes you should do. Condensation builds up in the pipework otherwise
Some dodgy work indeed, here in the Republic we always fit a fire cuff above the fan to ensure fire rating of the ceiling is not impaired and naturally fire rated lights ☘️☘️☘️
interesting, thanks
People here in N.Ireland used to criticise the South's installation work which is completely unfounded. The South is more ahead and advanced with their standards in many ways. U.K. could learn a thing or two and bring things up to date.
Crap they didn't even fit the ducting, think i could have done a better job and I'm not a spark😂
Report to Building Control as well for the fan extaction ducting.....not compliant....without even knowing if it's a timer or humidistat with timer for the required over-run time required by building regs to clear steam etc... Is there a fan or mirror isolator?
The choc blocks should at least be in boxes...or the screws in the blocks become exposed conductive live parts that anything in the ceiling void could contact and cause a fire/shock.
Extending a circuit requires an EIC and appropriate testing on the circuit to ensure it can take the extra load etc... Cables need clipping etc... etc... etc...
They should have checked for RCD protection prior to doing the work in the bathroom.....No RCD.... No new electrical work.
Did they even check for supplementary bonding because of no RCD ? Is it still in place?
You should invoice them for your time and materials in rectifying their bad and dangerous workmanship!
All this and you have not even has a look at the plumbing or structure they may have damaged getting the drainage for the shower outside etc...
I think I'd also be as worried about all of the cracks through the garage wall...did the same builders build that? 😅
beat me to it 😂😂
We have a workshop which has an exposed breeze lock inner leaf & the cracks ran top to bottom 1cm thick in some places…. Surveyor came out, said the outer brickwork was undamaged so it’s fine 😂.
Gives me anx to see them cracks every day but 10 years later it’s still standing. Reckon it’s probably the same thing. Cheap materials.
Just a thought. You are a sparky but what about the plumbing? If the electrics are so bad I wouldn't have much faith in the pipework.
Props for pursuing the reporting etc, but unfortunately if they are ltd they’ll likely just dissolve the company, vanish and re-incorporate elsewhere 😩 If they are ltd, check the business on companies house and look for the directors correspondence address. Good chance it’ll just be an accountants or formation agent, but you may get lucky with a residential address where you can drop a letter threatening court action etc 👍🏻
No way are they using a personal address when they are leaving work like this
There is a worst case . They have a word with who reported them at 3 am . Been there done that I would never bother with a report as you are dealing with VERMIN
Pulling very humid air and dumping that in the loft will result in water forming on anything below the dew point. Given she has insulation the loft will be cold in the winter it’s likely to be like a rain forest. Leaving that for any length of time and you’ll be looking at structural damage. Cowboys.
Quality video it’s good to see some industry big players calling out this crap , the more times this kind of stuff is called out the better the industry will get and it’s good to see nick bundy making calling out shit work cool
industry big players hahahah
@@ronnierobinson1502 he bigger than you Mr no subs
I can’t understand why they didn’t use wago fittings and boxes anyway - ok they are a bit dearer, but they are so easy to use and quicker - overall it would’ve saved them money to do it properly.
I bet those LED downlighters will fail before long - unbranded cheapos from eBay.
To be honest we have bathroom refurb contractors on site and they never put the loft insulation back either. Probably because nobody checks up so we only discover it when the ceiling turns mold black. I agree those fans are garbage. I also only fit big in-line timer fans these days, ironically usually upgrading a refurb bathroom following a mold and damp survey. Higher CFM, noise relocated to the loft - Works!!
there is no way i would let anyone who is not a qualified electrician mess with so much as a plug in my house... that is like asking a bricklayer to install a gas boiler....
Stop pulling that lovely bathroom apart 😂
naa destroy it! 😂😂😂
Thats horrendous! Good work sorting it out. While we can debate technicalities in industry we need to remember some absolute rubbish goes on every single day. Great video guys
i much prefer rigid duct wherever possible, so do the building regs. great video, thanks
I'd be looking at fitting a new consumer unit and relocate it above the meter box, along with those other items like doorbell transformer and RCD as they are not permitted in the DNO meter box
I once bought a new British demountable campervan which had a multitude of unsafe faults: absent sealant, faulty electrical wiring, bad plumbing. I took photos and video and fixed it all. I sued the manufacturer for the cost of repairs. I didn't win, because in the UK, you have to give the supplier the opportunity to rectify faults. As they were incompetent, I didn't want them near it. However, the judge was very sympathetic and berated the supplier - and I did win some money back due to mis-invoicing (btw, they had a fake VAT number). More recently, I bought a £12k home heating and water heating system from Fischer UK. Their installers were dreadful. Afterwards, I had to fix the wiring, reprogram the non-working water heater and repair the damage to my airing cupboard. One of the thermostats they supplied looked like it had rattled around in their van for months. They were completely unapologetic and it took a lot of effort to get them to supply a replacement stat. They wanted to visit to remedy the mistakes, but like you, I don't want such cowboys ever in my house again.
Good luck Nick.. I'm an niceic spark .. I've tried reporting this stuff before and got no where.
Reporting to building regs .. even reporting a niceic approved contractor to the niceic .. nothing ever happened.
The niceic contractor is still registered and working locally .. he even issued a completely fraudulent installation certificate ... so yeh .. Good luck .. keep us informed on how it goes.
Do you have to pay to be registered by any chance?
I'm a consumer and had the same experience with NICEIC.
Legitmate complaint backed with EICR that included photographs.
NICEIC turned up and said... no issues. Sent an official report with lots of basic typo's (including surname of the inspector ironically).
Complaint escalated and I asked for representation from the people who wrote the EICR.
NICEIC turned up again and agreed serious faults... but as it's a new build they blamed the builder (even though an NICEIC registered electrician signed it off).
The NICEIC membership fee effectively means the system works in reverse - protecting cowboy electricians over consumers.
@@tonygward08 .. well that depends on the faults I guess and if the builder could have any responsibility. not enough info to tell.. but on another track.. I've also had a complaint about my work that the niceic chased me up on .. after another niceic electrician had worked there..and they chased me even though the customer hadn't told me about it ..hadn't told them about the other electrician visiting .. didn't follow their own complaints procedure at all .. told me they had to give the customer their support..(against their own complaints procedure)really generally harassed me ... but I still have to say that on balance when I look at many many eicrs do e by other electricians .. the niceic.ones generally do a better.job than nappit or the others.. and I'm still a member.
Good luck for the future.. 👍🏼
Good luck with bringing them to account.
Nick the Mirror back might be stuck but the actual mirror front should just be held in the back box via some small grub screws mate.👍
The biggest problem is that there isnt a constant public education on building regs, especially when it comes to Part p. Its been over 20 years now. Still homeowners havent still got a clue. Which in turn allows for criminal scam artists to call them selfs trade people.
Dick Turpin rides again.
Never mind part P - why didn't they point out that her insulation and airtightness levels are criminally poor and it'll be costing a fortune in wasted heat, never mind the risk to the building structure from wet bathroom air. The building trade in general in the UK (with the notable exception of most of the youtubers, who do actually take some care) has woefully low standards.
nice vlog, that mirror was a nightmare and I can't believe the extractor. No gloves or mask for the yellow insulation - braver than I am!
That bathroom is horrendous. Looks like a portacabin
Fuse box inside a Meter enclosure that was a definite no no not allowed by south east electricity board in kent wouldnt even allow a switch fuse isolator for a sub main feed.
Every accessory requires an earth, if it's required or not. Personally my first step would be to name them, which I always do, I don't mind a legal fight if it goes that far, which it never does.
The only weapon you have, is not to pay the final payment, because none of the systems in place will be interested, speaking from experience.
They may say they have already sacked the fitter because they discovered he was crap, these firms like that one.
What ?....even those accessories that are double insulated or use isolation transformers ?
@@keithpearson7539 yep it's in the regs
@@keithpearson7539I’d say it’s good practice to.bring the earth to any class 2 to allow testing
Funniest thing is silicone everything up yep that is maintainable now
Well done putting that mess right , and reporting the criminals I hope you take them to the cleaners, I think you should name and shame them far and wide. One point about the lights would quite wire switch and load not of been a better option instead of wago boxes. Just an idea . Your mother i law must be so angry with them shisters . But happy she has a son in law like that knows what he’s doing. Thank you for keeping us updated on this.👍
I'm assuming they got their LV and ELV lights confused. Which means they are not trained let alone licensed.
Not just a cert needs to be issued but the works needs to be notified to the building control too as the fan is in a notifiable zone. 1st time I’ve seen one of your videos cus it just came up so not sure how long you’ve been doing this for but when doing the consumer unit I’d test the whole whose 1st to ensure there’s no faults which would start tripping the RCBO’s. Good luck
You don't need wire cutters the fan blade wheel do the job😢
*pulls cables out ceiling* "this is the finish" 😂
If they can't even notice that the way the extractor was fitted off centre, and thats a likely reason for it being noisy, then how could you trust them to install a bathroom correctly, making sure the plumbing is good, shower tray doesn't leak etc.Not wanting to make you a bag of nerves, but Every time you go back for a visit, just have a look round, and if there's something that doesn't look right, as your plumber mate or instagram even. Those that pride on doing a good job, will be full of enthusiasm to help, to show they know how to do things right.
And…..who is really to blame for jobs carried out like this?
The bathroom fitters?
The customers that continue to seek out the cheapest trade workers out there?
The trade workers that continue to put there day rates up?
The fitters obviously. They are being deceitful.
Moved into a new house and the shower room fan was left like that the amount of condensation I stumbled across.Aways use inline fans solid ducting and strapped securely to timber that plastic crap squashes and the ribs trap water.
Surprising how many off the old houses still have the domino fuse boards , we have had 3 houses in 2 year's still on the old indian rubber wiring !
shouldn't there be an isolator outside the bathroom ?
Love your youngster in the background - sounds just like my son when I am trying to get jobs done and he wants to join me up the ladder!
Keen to see the outcome to get these cowboys 😂 should definitely front them to get a proper sparky in to do the work
Mmmm...
What a mess :((
Those LEd lights are for display cabinets. Or, maybe for kitchen counters!!
Either way, they are NOT designed for bathrooms & certainly are NOT fire-rated :((
Should the bathroom extractor fan have an isolation switch? Or that not a requirement?
Pay attention... Because this is generally what you will get for going with the cheapest quote people!!!
Having to rework every job for a crew I worked with I understand your frustration.
Real electricians don't use electrical tape on joints
That's right, we use duct tape. Don't want to make it easy for the next spark who comes along...
Nonsense. A BP connector should have tape, and they’re used everywhere.
why not use electrical tape as i think its in the name ELECTRICAL
do you think he was pissed of cause he didnt get the job nothing worse than a super electrician slagging of other peoples work
@@bluegalaxyvr3442he’s just a spoiled child
If the electrics are that bad, what state is the plumbing work? Unsupported pipework? Leaks? Who knows....
1:11 top tip, some of us have no idea if you're genuinely asking or being snarky; do you need a cert or not?!? We don't know.
Depends what was there before, if they've added or changed a circuit yes it needs to be tested, he obviously knows there weren't downlights before the job, so a circuit must have been extended. If someone changed previous downlights to new ones and they were competent , it should technically be ok, but they would hopefully notice no cpc
You are clearly the best builder in the world
We got an advertising card through the door saying, " you've had the cowboys now try the Indians - J. Patel and sons"...........
Your in-laws should report the bathroom fitters to the local building control. What CPS did the bathroom fittings claim to belong too? In short the fitters did not comply with BS7671 thus this is a criminaly negligent install so could also be reported to HSE.
Don’t see the problem it’s all above the waterline 🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
there's some scary looking cracks through the breeze blocks at the end of the video
the garage is falling to bits, too!
Fair play for reporting them, but I'll tell you how this will conclude. Building control/council won't be interested that it wasnt carried out by a registered installer-what they will do is tell your inlaws to get it tested by someone who is. Seen this before, she'll probably get offered a token discount by the installation company. Its pathetic.
Part of me would be tempted to check everything else (e.g. under the shower tray for loose pipes and crap) they clearly don't care about doing a good job.
Can I just point out that proper bathroom fitters are still tiling. These panels are designed and sold to people who can't fitted bathrooms but like to charge. I come across this on every panel fitted bathroom plus some horrendous work.
Can I point out I’m a bathroom fitter and I don’t get a choice in what the customer wants as it’s there personal choice not yours fool
I use the quickwire units on lighting now - they are a bit seared but much smaller than the wago boxes and so much quicker
certs are to have legal proof that someone did the "no idiotic easily preventable mistakes left behind" checks. :/
Even a pro will have faulty wago, faulty terminal block, or accidental scraping the wire in the ceiling against sharp objects and exposing its insulator moment. The cert is expensive because a fire is way, way more expensive. So is the tool that checks.
Those lights look like the cheap Amazon shallow spots. I’ve only seen them a couple of times. Shocking install.
im a ventilation engineer for a damp and mould company and thats got to be one of the worst extractor jobs ive ever seen
Less bothered about certificate and more bothered about the quality of the work. Ppl pay these cheap prices, don't want to pay a reasonable price for a reasonable Job, instead skimp about and end up with shoddy workmanship. No sympathy at all.
One plus thing. .the bathroom looks pretty tidy....So why not employ a spark , and leave a safe job , and a good reputation ...( What about the previous customers ) ?
Profit
Looks like a tidy enough bathroom job, just the sparks work like you say a bit dodgy, nothing worse than most houses who’s had a diy owner.
Personally I would connect ducting up, replace insulation and enjoy the new bathroom.
Show the bathroom guys the video of the mistakes and negotiate your time being paid for, say £200 each for you and your pal.
Don’t be an arse an try and ruin someone. They’ve Probly got kids just like you, just trying to make a living.
Basic definition of Competence is 'Know what you're looking for, know when you found it and know what to do about what you found' you ticked that box. The University of Life tells me if you want to raise the profile of rouge tradesmen is to take to Social Media fb, twitter etc Name and Shame.....
Look on the bright side it keeps us in work 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah since Wagos came into the game…easy peasy money…
Doesn't 7671 say you should have a (connected) CPC at every point in a circuit?
Rcd fused spur, job done ! pure drama 😂
You could actually say. That fan is a new installation. Needs a cert. Needs singing off.
The cowboys ate back in town glad you can sort this and you also reported the cowboys
Make them pay you for the work!
I’m going to mate
@@NBundyElectrical Good man, i'm fed up of seeing the shambles of dodgy electrical work performed by kitchen/bathroom fitters. Besides which these cowboys have half assed other things - not connecting up the extractor duct, leaving sections of the loft uninsulated. Just sloppy work all round by the looks of it, they deserve the kick up the backside your gonna give em!
im no spark but surely there should be more lights from that junction box and not just the one wire as best practise? (looking at the beginning mess)
Is this bathroom masters by any chance? We have them coming in Feb next year to do our bathroom. Quoted 6K and trimmings and fittings look similar to what we are having but in black trim. They do a “package” of walls/floors/LED ceiling. If so, could you maybe give me some pointers on what to ask about if there fitters are regulated to fit electrics. Were in a new build so dont want electrics messing up when then there correctly set. If that all makes sense. Appreciate a reply 👍🏼
Is it a small local fitter. Local shop or installers for a bigger shop.
Sadly as a chippy I employed "proper" sparks in to do a kitchen first fix. There work was a lot worse that this