Will Dodge's Electric Muscle Car Satisfy Its Die-Hard Fans?
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- Over the past decade, Dodge has dug deep into its performance car heritage and become a brand known for brash American muscle cars with supercharged V-8 engines and ridiculous amounts of horsepower. But tightening regulations, rising fuel prices and the rise of the SUV are putting the squeeze on Dodge's so-called “brotherhood of muscle.” It recently debuted the Charger Daytona SRT EV, an electric car that looks a lot like its popular supercharged Challenger or Charger. The only question remains: Will Dodge fans or EV buyers want it?
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Will Dodge's Electric Muscle Car Satisfy Its Die-Hard Fans?
dodge and other manufacturers are gonna find out real fast that the problem isn't that they're Gass guzzling or even emissions conscious customers. it's that they sell a new car for 70k plus and wonder why their sales are going down.
Not to mention dealer markups
@@TheNewChevyRoll48 🎯Indeed, and it seems to be the norm. How aggravating.
The whales are the ones supporting the markets and not the worker. Expect to be priced out of your freedoms.
We are already seeing it being done with travel through these vehicle policies. Keeping you locked down through inability while providing the illusion of freedom and ability.
Less people should own cars
Wrong. People want freedom and speed (power) at a good price... if Dodge can deliver an Electric vehicle that's USER OWNED. Or ACTUALLY FULLY OWNED and not secretly owned and controlled at a distance by the company, Dodge will do really well.
The exhaust of the EV challenger sounds like a vacuum 😂
exactly! Just give us a v8 supercharged :)
that has a dead mouse stuck in the hose!
Waste of money, they can’t afford to spend.
These car companies think that speed is all that "car guys" want when in fact it's not...part of the joy of owning a car with an engine is popping the hood & admiring that beautiful v8 or whatever you have with your buddies..my dad & I never had the best relationship, but I remember or best moment were when he would let me help him fix his old Datsun...there is something special & a certain level of appreciation that car guys have for things that are mechanical...something that an electric car just can't give....R.I.P to my dad by the way 😔
Disagree.What gets me excited in a machine is its performance. The rest is nostalgia...
Salutes to all the other mopar fans watching this. I’m 25 and knew that I wanted a muscle car since I was 8 years old, at first it was a shelby mustang gt 500 and then when the challengers came back I just fell in love. Currently sitting in my 2020 RT Challenger 50 on a lunch break. Had a beer, life is great. 🤙
Why RT? Why not SRT?
What do mean 50? Is that your age? This is for someone in thier 20's.
@@User_92020 He said he was 25 in the first sentence. Also, an RT is a nice challenger and would smoke my 2017 SXT.
He said, that the RT Challenger would smoke a 2017 SXT Charger. If anything, you aren't reading the comment right, original poster said he's 25, nowhere he said he was 50.
Get some glasses, and maybe chill out.@@User_92020
@@User_92020 he is saying that the RT from the original comment is still a very nice car even if it is not an SRT. He was also stating that being the RT it would smoke his SXT.
And yet the Mustang still has a 5.0 and a manual gearbox
Facts.
New 7.3 Turbo coming
Ford also is currently selling three EVs to balance their lineup. The Mustang Mach E, F150 Lightning and the Transit EV. This obviously helps Ford obtain the required fleet mpg and carbon emissions standards. Stellantis currently offers zero EVs in the US. Only high horsepower, low mpg and I'm guessing higher carbon emission Hemi V8 vehicles. I own one of those Hemi vehicles. I purchased new a 2018 Chrysler 300C Hemi. It's a solid luxury/Performance sedan while my favorite brand Ford was no longer offers sedans in the US dropping their two larger performance sedans, the Taurus SHO and Fusion Sport. When driven hard my 300C is thirsty, but unlike the Dodge RT Charger. I found the 300C more luxurious with it's Napa leather interior, other creature comforts and technology along with it's unique styling. The prototype EV Charger misses what an Ice performance car offers which includes the feel and sound of the V8 engine. Seeing the introduction of the new Ford S650 V8 Mustang created my interest in owning an S650 GT or Dark Horse model. Personally, considering Stellantis appears to be going 100% EV. I feel Stellantis needs to sell off the Dodge division and rebuild the Chrysler brand as their EV division in the US.
Yep! The dark horse is gonna keep the manual transmission than Dodge.
That's so true. It's not like Dodge was absolutely forced to make this change right now, so why did they?
The fact that it's a V8 gas guzzler is what makes it a Muscle car to begin with, loud and proud V8.
Biden like Macron in my country don't want that , they want overpriced Ev cars to make to put us on our feet , without our precious cars , one of the last symbol of Liberty , they don't want our liberty , they want to deprivate us from that .
And if they succeed, then they will attack our religious beliefs and finally our countries to create only one.
They are Satanist or something like that .
Indeed
not very muscular when a grandma in her model 3 is lapping your hemi on her way to the grocery store bud.
Agreed. If they want to comply to emission laws, just ditch the muscle car name and embrace EVs fully.
@@chaitanyapahl NASCAR uses V8 engines. How much faster you want to go there bud? lol
The first time I heard that Dodge would discontinue their V8-powered muscle cars at the end of 2023, My heart was broken, and I was feeling so heavy. Still, I can't accept a new EV charger and charger. I search for and see videos about Dodge muscle cars every single day because I still love Dodge that much. But now, when I see new Dodge videos, they say Dodge muscle cars are no longer available. At that point, I couldn't control my tears. I loved Dodge more than anyone. Dodge was my whole life. Now I can't even stay without Dodge. Please, can anyone give me a solution? ,If I can't getaway maybe suicide is my last option. Because love my Dodge,that's all.😶
Get ready for a extra tear. Once these EV muscle cars DONT sell, You can watch in s snail's pace Dodge will be going out of business. I'll be back later to tell ya i told ya so.
If you wanna go NEW on Muscle, Start thinking about the 2024 Chevelle.....It's gonna be here early summer 2024.
The calvary is on it's way! I honestly believe EV Muscle Cars will be available within the next two or three years. I am a Tesla owner and I am a great admirer of the 8-cylinder muscle cars. GM, Ford and Stellantis will be making muscle cars; if they can manage to stay in business??? For now, BYD and Tesla are eating their lunch 👈🏾
I would never pay extra for fake noise or shifting fake gears, However, I can see the appeal.
Seems to me that dodge will be a really small niche brand, EVEN after the transition to EVs.
But I'll be cheering for them to make it.
their muscle portion will be, the rest of dodge will still be the all-over the place fleet/affordable car brand. kinda sad though, since when most people think of dodge, you either think the Challenger/Charger or the Viper
We can literally add a normal transmission. They are so focused on efficiency that they forget that these cars are for car guys.
@@WS-47ha I agree.
This will be so niche that it doesn’t matter if it will be less efficient or way more expensive.
It’s just like buying a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.
I agree EV is not for me
They'll do as good as budlight transition.
Henry ford said it best "If you ask the people what they want, they'll tell you they want faster horses"
With an engine
Did Hitler reward him for this?
@@massimobernardo- 💀wat?
Then they voted with their wallets and bought cars. Nobody is buying EVs untill they're forced on us.
The best part about this is Ford is the only American company not killing off the V8 muscle car 😉
I remember ten years ago ,I watched a new Dodge Challenger turn around and go after a Mustang that had just turned around at the same u-turn location..
Probably two friends that were having a very good day.
The sound that Dodge V8 engine made when he stomped the gas pedal to the ground I will never forget.
That huge Dodge V8 made the most beautiful deep bass growl,I had heard in many years.
And chirped the tires after every gear change.
No onboard speaker can ever reproduce that.
That was REAL.
Electric cars may be faster but they will never be cooler.
Hey Dodge, Thanks.
That's very subjective. I personally see the advantages of both. To me it's like asking if "you want a right leg or a left leg?"
I think the v8 sound is huge, you can enjoy your car going fast or slow.
that's why everyone's comments are called an "Opinion" because they're not "Facts"
Looks like soon onboard speakers or air ducting will be only sound option soon.
Why do people keep seeming to think that EVs making noises always means speakers? That chambered exhaust in the back of the car? It’s an acoustic chamber. It amplifies the sounds the car already makes and probably also tunes the frequency to produce a deeper, bassier rumble than the vacuum cleaner that is most EVs
I’m glad EVs are an option and that they’re popular.
But I love my WRX and its turbocharged boxer engine, and honestly I would prefer to drive one forever.
I daily an sti and couldnt agree more.
Got a 02 Bugeye WRX and just love it so much. It’s high in the kms tho so i’m probably gana have to sell it soon 🥲
They are NOT popular, I see 1 EV a week.
@@fappydabear1774I also have an STI
Listen to that battery roar 😅
I am a pretty big fan of the V8 engine. What people don`t understand (who don`t own them) is that its not 100% about power or performance. Anything can have lots of power and or performance. Its the combination of sound, vibrations AND power. Right when I start up my V8 powered car I am already having fun, just at idle. I have to give dodge credit here for understanding this and at least trying. Everything wants to hate on dodge but this is the world we live in now. If I HAD to buy a electric car I would buy this over a Tesla.
I would buy a tesla just to sleep while gapping every muscle EV on the road or just play some cod
I love the way dodge is trying to take it and keep some emotion alive in a EMOTIONLESS electric car market. I have hope and I'll probably hold onto my dodge until they make a nice EV. Dodge is going to make the kind of cars we saw in cyberpunk and Im here for it!
@@pooppoop3851 And...not a single muscle car guy- ever- would care. EV's are glorified golf carts. Soul factor = zero.
Couldn't they mimic that with speakers and other devices built in?
Fully agreed. I’ve driven a fair few electric vehicles and while they are fast and somewhat fun initially, they simply feel like appliances at the end of the day. That’s what people what, but as a car enthusiasts, it leaves allot to be desired.
It seems there aren’t any EV sports cars on the market (at a “reasonable” price at least) and rightly so. How do you make an EV that exhibits all of the qualities that people look for in a sports car? Especially when the vast majority of people demand an appliance.
I think this is a damn good attempt at an electric sports cars and if I had to buy an EV, this is the only one that stands out.
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At least Dodge is making a car for sports car fans to get excited about. The rush towards efficient, all electric cars has left a large gap in the market. Apart from some ICE sports cars, there’s hardly anything to get excited about nowadays. It’s quite sad.
(I’m personally really excited for the new Z. Just wanted to throw that out there. I’m a JDM fan but I appreciate all sports cars)
U can't replace a vintage muscle car, you drive with a smile on your face. Nostalgic
Vintage muscle cars have terrible suspensions and brakes and are horrible to drive. The MAIN or most likely, ONLY reason why people buy them is simply for the, "Stop what you're doing and LOOK AT ME" effect. This is why people spend massive amounts of money on old classic cars. It's all about the amount of attention they can gain from other people.
@@tjmmcd1 or they just like cars....... most people that want an "attention factor" arent going for old classics. They want the new cars. Plus people like that usually dont know a lick abt cars and dont have the skills to drive it nor the car knowledge to maintain it. People that buy muscle cars usually do it bc their dad or someone else got them into them thru drag racing etc. its a lifestyle not a "attention factor"
@@tjmmcd1 you clearly aren’t a car person. Classics are very enjoyable to drive. Not to mention they don’t have to be driven fast to be fun.
@@tjmmcd1 At least they dont have all the computer crap either
Have you ever built one with your father ? The one I built with mine is in Australia now. 1965 289 gt. Ragoon red. Trumpet tips every thing on the car period correct except for the wooden steering wheel. I had the best time. You obviously haven’t ever driven one or anything. Doing my first burnout with he 4:11 gear ratio and it going 80ft smoking. At 17 years old. Got my motorcycle l’s at 16. You’re obviously a little communist Biden liberal. You’re not open minded at all. It’s what you think or nothing huh? Eat your grilled cheese vegan sandwich and shut up.
Lmaooo the “rawrrrr XD” the electric one made is hilarious
The "engine" noise could be air pumped through the battery compartment to help cool the battery and as the air makes its way through, it can make the muscle car noise. This could be a useful way to address the lack of noise problem and also make it useful.
So, a battery fart
@@doctoroctos No
@@doctoroctoshahaha
Maybe put a baseball card in the spokes?
@@imperialmotoring3789I wonder if anyone has done that on an electric cycle.
“Will this electric muscle car satisfy die-hard enthusiasts?”
No.. no it will not
Simple enough
How about a 572 CID v8 DFI 2 stroke crate motor anyone! i like the rumble of my v8 2 stroke.
Yes, it will. Because we want POWER & SPEED. EV's have been part of automotive engineering for well over 100 years and real enthusiasts don't ignore that type of legacy. I owned a 2016 Charger Hellcat. Great fun car, but the EV version will eat it for breakfast. Dodge isn't into making slow cars. Drive a Model Y performance or Tesla Plaid and understand that INSTANT MONSTER TORQUE ends all debate. My Hellcat was the car with no soul after I did 0-60 in 2.2 seconds. All of the noise and smoke of my old Hellcat ends up being embarrassing against superior electric muscle. Trump nuts think this is a political fight (in their little minds), but I guess they just want to go VROOOOM and be slow.
Not even close !
Well there's no such thing as an electric muscle car a muscle car has a gas powered engine and can be obnoxious loud and growly and wakes the neighbors up at times ! 😎
Dodge: there is no way to produce V8s anymore
Ford: releases Mustang 2024, Dark Horse, a number of track cars based on it
Me: ???
Thank the Mustang Mach E
@@seanthornton6844 if they’re releasing EV charger to return HEMI later, I’m down
very little of what ford sells has a v8 (even the trucks, which is where they make most of their money), whereas no one even looks at dodge without a v8 unless its for rentals or something. these companies decisions arent really comparable to each other.
@@psd.3144 ford did double down on their new Super Dutys, dropping the 6.2 for a base 6.8, keeping the 7.3 and keeping the 6.7 powerstroke, and making a high output version of the powerstroke.
The challengers are falling behind mustangs and camaros
One thing i miss from my 70 dodge challenger was that look of the rear tail lights that went all the way across and that worthless white reverse light in the center still looked better than every thing else...a look for the rear that never got there on the 09 to 2014 first run of challengers...it was still nice to see them come back..i drove a used 09 RT hemi orange automatic an u guys nailed it...thanks for stiffening up the suspension on the second series...
Dodge is trying to maintain brand, heritage and customer loyalty, instead of simply selling their soul and trying to JUST cash in on the Tesla crowds, like soooo many others. I respect that
They sold out, what are you even talking about. Lmao. If they had real integrity, they wouldn’t have discontinued their most popular muscle cars. They literally cashed in on EV’s and made this BS
@@firstnamelastname956 Manufacturers are following imposing government regulations. Not "selling out"
@@lunamaria1048 and which government regulations are these? I haven’t been in the loop. Also, like I said, if they had real integrity they would give government the finger and continue to do what they want
@@firstnamelastname956 Government regulations to keep lowering emissions.
Your feelings (or blissfully unaware ignorance) aside, that is the reality of our changing automotive industry. If they could keep using big V8s, they would. Even Toyota is struggling with these regulations, because their reputation depends on reliability of engines they are being forced to phase out, for hybridization and EVs.
@@lunamaria1048 the only one caught up on their “feelings” is you… you’re just projecting my guy. I was asking you to provide some explanation to your claims. All I was saying is that yes, it is selling out. No integrity anywhere anymore… everybody just gladly obeys daddy’s government and you sure sound like one of them fools lol
As a die-hard muscle car enthusiast since I was 6 or 7 years old, I gotta say I wouldn't touch an EV "muscle car" with a 10ft pole. Muscle cars are about emotional connection. The sound, the rumble under your seat, working on it and upgrading it. EVs are for another kind of person.
Fact: Gasoline is renewable and can be produced with current technology.
Lanard Fletcher how would it feel. Knowing that the electric motor. Under seat can produce between one thousand. And two thousand foot pounds of torque. In less the one rpm, Maintain full torque all the up to. Maximum motor rpm, while producing seven hundred hp or more. That e'll getcha holding on to the steering wheel. Perty hard.
@@ariesmight6978 the rumble of the V8 and the sound
Couldn't have said it better myself buddy! 👍
@@ariesmight6978 loud engine > torque
As Charger owner. I don't know how I will relate to that , produce electric but at least keep the options open for gas engines
Totally resasonable
The issue is they are not making electric because they want to, they have too....
You're old hahaha
think outside the box and watch Dodge dominate American muscle in new American technology.
@@vx8952 yeah the planet is dying but also it’s so they can control you if you do not cooperate they can just shut down your car at any moment
I've owned the following MOPAR's: 66 Charger-318, 70 Plymouth Fury-383, 72 Chrysler Newport-400, 77 Charger-400. Currently own 73 Plymouth Satellite-318 and 99 Durango-360. I love them all, but will definitely buy this.
If Im looking to buy a thick steak, why would I get Tofu instead lol.
To the non-gearhead ordinary person, EVs are just another vehicle to them. They move on. To the gearheads out there, its like watching a part of you die off and never be seen again. Each car is like a living, breathing part of you. It's hard to just stop caring about something you’re so passionate about. I like hearing the loud exhaust on my car or installing that cool new part that just came in the mail. I even enjoy doing mundane, ordinary oil changes because I get to spend time doing what I love. EV’s don’t give you that.
Maybe, but the gearhead thing's always been about edging out more power/torque/speed. Electric is different & I love the sound of a gas engine. Love the sound of newer Mustangs & a Pagani is the sweetest sound a vehicle can make. Thing is, as much as I hate Elon the man, he's put so much HP and torque into such sedate looking, ugly cars, there's no denying the future is EV & we're on the verge of great things. In an ocean of cars with < 200hp for domesticated dorks for basic transpo, EV's have finally given us our power back. I love cars, love driving. Spinning the back wheels & making noise is insecure peackocking. Doing 0-150 in a Tesla Plaid is another experience altogether. To each their own, but gearheads must've known the industry was long due for a huge revolution. Tap a button on an EV & you can spin the back wheels all day with more torque/hp/speed than almost any muscle car. If it's the pageantry & noise you're after, maybe the old guard is where it stays. My friend put 480hp through a Mitsubishi Evo & it was so damned fun but obnoxiously loud. My brother has that much hp in his Tesla Y Performance. The Mitsubishi can go away now.
I know quartz watches have a similar rap.
Makes not sense to me... For decades, people have owned these muscle cars and only a few of these owners used them to their potential. It's all for show... and noise.
@@NunchucksHabit The sales numbers is all dodge cares about.
But by the look of it. Your in the minority,
People don't like these
DON'T LET GO
man it breaks my heart to see such a good company having to deal with an identity crisis
LOL sarcasm noted!
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...Every few years like they have been? lol
I blame the dickheads at Stellantis for this
@@ec6052 Fastest baddest car ever, the Demon...and its an Euro Co, not even US, irony.
I own an SRT challenger. I'm 67 years of age. I owned a Z28 Camaro, 68 442, and an AMX Javelin. It"s about the whole ambience of the car INCLUDING the sound. An electric muscle car DOESN'T cut it for me or any true muscle car enthusiast. That's a FACT.
I think the first few years will be hardest for them sales wise. Ford is still offering a v8 mustang with a manual transmission. They will have a hard time getting the Dodge and muscle car people on board. If they don’t discontinue the brand by then, I think they’ll be able to sell these in the future when everything else is electric. This will be the coolest option by far.
It’s a shame that the s650 is slower than the s550 but cost way more 💀
@@RSJerelle_ Well, as technology improves it is going to be a lot cheaper.
@@Blackout_CDXX Battery prices are getting lower compared to before. Technology is always improving.
EVs will never be the future. Lol.
Yea I switched over to Ford this month because of that and picked up a S650. I had a challenger...
Well I will answer that for you. And the answer is no. As soon as Dodge said they were getting rid of the HEMI I can no longer afford to even buy a decent scat pack. 51,000 for a base model scat is a joke
@@collenflarity7856 They are both jokes for that price lmao
@@collenflarity7856 RT is slow and an absolute joke at 40k, i got a every option 5.0 S550 for 25k
@@Lucas-gu7sj if it wasn't for the RT these cars wouldn't be a thing, think about it
@@anthonyv1971 actually if it wasn't for the V6s the V8s wouldn't be a thing.
Turbo civic built for less than 10gs gaps almost anything
"To get consumers involved and excited, really need to connect with that emotional level." Stephanie spoke the truth right there.
The current Dodge Charger/Challenger have old high quality Mercedes chassis and V8s... the new one will be cheap and have EV...
Electric cars are FAR worse for the environment (and the economy), and it is not just the mining of the precious metals needed to produce the electronics needed…Electric cars are far heavier, wear out faster, go through tires faster, need toxic batteries that are very expensive and do not last long, and are prone to burst into flames…etc etc And I won’t even discuss electric grid issues… Electric cars and the companies that are subsidized by taxpayers to exist are PURE Malinvestment…
I don't see it.
You know just how to do it, on that gunshot
Many EV owners connect to their cars on an emotional level too. Mine is simply a joy to drive, literally. It feels more like flying a Learjet with afterburners, or a spaceship, than driving a car... but, one with retro-rockets, when I want to slow down (w/ regen braking.) The smooth, instant torque and acceleration NEVER gets old.. either launching from a start, or simply goosing it to pass someone. Yet the smooth fine control over acceleration and braking, lets me drive as gently and smoothly as I want... or think. It's so sensitive, it feels like driving by subconscious thought control...and extension of my subconscious.
People have to try them- it's like nothing else. It's different, yes, without the engine note and rumble.. but, it's not bad.
As an owner and enthusiast for American Muscle, I never want the V8 to die. Get it while you can. However, if your enthusiasm is about looks, garaging and collecting things and not being a driver, having an EV like the new Charger should suit you just fine. As it will look pretty and always be ready to drive. Storing ICE vehicles is a waste of a machine. IMO. If you love the V8 rumble, drive the damn things! Not making any rumble sitting in the damn hangers behind ropes. 😏
From
A challenger owner for 12 years, I’m liking it and dodge is still the best looking cars out there. Go for it! All the power to ya! 😄
It will be a miracle if dodge survives this!
I guess not. it not going to go very well for dodge. EV sports car just feels so wrong. is like a summer holiday without the sun.
I think they'll go ok. You have to keep in mind that the rules apply to all manufacturers and they have a great looking car. It's not the same without the sounds and vibrations of a petrol car but the power is there.
People aren't going to stop buying sports cars just because they're EV. Remember that most cars will be EV in abo
People who want fast powerful cars will line up for the fastest and most powerful car. I had a Hellcat, but it wasn't close to what I felt in a Tesla Plaid. I want POWER, not politics. My Hellcat made a ton of noise and smoke. A child's toy that GOT SMOKED the first time a Model 3 Performance came along side. Now I own an EV and can't wait to see what electric muscle cars are all about! I also don't want to help Exxon drown the planet in C02 and rob peoples pockets.
@@robertbrody4032 Rimac did a really good job with their electric supercar. They have deals going with major manufacturers so some decent tech will filter down.
Some of the electric bikes are showing real promise too. Even Harley has got into the act with their Livewire which did a good job with.
Your Plaid will be a collector's item one day as an early example of what EV's could do.
I love old school muscle. You can do anything with them. They bragged about the Hellcat hitting 9 seconds in the quarter mile but I seen an A body Cuda with the 318 pulling 9s and its totally street drivable and for a hell of a lot less money. There is some rejection in the farm equipment industry of new equipment with all the electronics and no way of repairs without a dealer technician, the emissions systems, and the cost of purchasing new. Good tractors built from the 1970s through the 2000s are hitting record prices. Auto steer and GPS can be added to them but you can rebuild them from the bottom up with a set of standard wrenches and then put another 10,000 hours, and then another 10,000 after that.
Yes old school muscle rocks man
the electric car industry is entirely a scam and the people behind the idea of having the public in mass buy these new products they hope all the negative press associated doesn't show its face. the military defense contractor OSHKOSH is having a meltdown over a potential lawsuit and inability to produce heavy weighted all electric military vehicles they over promised and under delivered is what the current status is. the most they can get out of electric is bull dozers and fire trucks then lightweight vehicles under 5000lbs. either its gotta be massive or tiny to get results when it comes to energy requirements. they probably would have done better converting fuel consumed to a more viable burning product like a refined and cleaner racing fuel without ethanol additives
@@theincrediblehulk5797 hell yea 🙌❤️
No way a 318 powered anything ran a 9 sec quarter mile.
@@tomm1109 can if it's built to do it.
Problem here is that people aren't going to buy what they can't afford. Not at these prices anyway.
The issue here in CA is the power grid... specially during summertime and being told to hold off on the EV charge bc the grid is overloaded. EV are here to stay but to a certain fan base just like muscle cars!
I own 2 Porsches and can say that Dodge fans aren’t the only ones dealing with the EV disappointment, Porsche has announced that the Cayman/Boxster series will also go all electric in 2025. We see the writing on the wall, not much we can do about it. I’ll be keeping my Cayman S and GT4 as long as I can drive them.
AND THERE GOES MODERN MAN, JUST GIVE UP TRUE POWER, AND PREPARE FOR A LIFETIME OF SITTING IN YOUR DEAD CAR AT A "CHARGING STATION" THAT HAS NO ELECTRICITY BECAUSE OF ROLLING BLACKOUTS !
OOPS SHOULD KEPT THE GAS CARS! FOOLS
I just shed a tear. I’m been dreaming of a 911 but now that I can almost afford to maintain one, they are heading in a new direction 😢
Buy a car now and take good care of it
I dont like these american muscle cars because they wont offer there 2 strokes. There was a 440 CID 2 stroke proto type. A 2 stroke DFI v8 would be awsome.
It's not going to happen Miami GT 4. So keep your cars! Don't know because of your code name but in the state of Florida with this past hurricane 2022 yes this year, there was a guy who had an EV and his house and garage was flooded. The Fireman were at his house and told him to get that car out of his garage. They took the car out and he tried to start it and the whole vehicle burnt up smoked. The car was rendered totally useless!
The half of muscle car is in the sound. Electric muscle concept itself is hilarious.
They can still make it sound like one tho there was this car that had a setting to make it sound like other cars so it won't be that hard
@@blairturner139 not the same, the new "sound" isnt very appealing to alot of enthusiasts and you cant really customize the car outside of body work which kills it for many
think outside the box for a while, watch dodge dominate American muscle in new American made technology
Its 2050. Dodge releases an OTA update to their muscle cars that mute the obnoxious sound. Muscle car enthusiasts have to find a new hobby that isnt being annoying in public
Wrkng
Yeah, I wondered what caused "people" to switch from sedans to SUV's.... People didn't want a variety of SUV's until... Inflation occured and the inability to buy multiple cars for their driveway...
The sound of the engine... the sound of the supercharger or turbos... the RPM, horsepower delivery & torque curve... feeling the gears & sequencing of the transmission... these are all the things that create personality in a Muscle or Sports car & the complete electrification of a vehicle eliminates all of these things these sensory stimulating characteristics that generations have known & loved... People would be more open to hybrids such as the McLaren P1 or Corvette ERay... But an electric muscle car is simply a fast electric Prius to those who love combustion...
The smell of gasoline, the vibration, the sound…these are the factors that make the most impressive features of an EV seem unimpressive.
Just like a living being, a horse, was and is still loved by many. I'm sure the disappointment was unmeasurable to some when it became unviable. Point is, we have to move on.
@@ihavenoidea4727 I would not say move on, as you said people still enjoy horses. I like EV’s, but sound should not be the only simulated characteristic of the vehicle. Let’s bring in some vibrations to the seats, heighten the experience a bit. Then give me a switch so that I can make it sound like a true EV again lol.
@ihavenoidea4727 not moving on with this garbage
Okay, I’m definitely going to the Illinois Railway Museum in the morning.
Smell of gasoline...no thanks. That's just lung cancer.
It will be decades before you convince muscle car fans to accept it. I'm not hating but how you gonna convince decades of muscle cars fans to give up their love of classics.
They're not going to have a choice. When states ban the sale of ICE cars they will fade away into history.
By making the EV exciting, bringing features to the EV that actually improve the experience and make it more like an internal combustion engine (like the REAL exhaust note, the e-Rupt electro-mechanical shifting system, and the boxy design). The Dodge Charger EV will most likely be the first EV to make EVs truly fun to drive and desirable for car enthusiasts
@@mrsoisauce9017 Fake internal combustion exhaust sounds are not going to impress musclecar guys. Also EVs can't be modded and tinkered with with like a v8 because the aftermarket parts isn't there for it and won't be the way EV companies don't allow right to repair so no modding.
People are resistant to change. If you interviewed hot rodders in the 1960's they were probably bent out of shape about unleaded fuel, fuel injectors, hydraulic lifters, aluminum blocks, disc brakes, automatic windows, air conditioning, automatic transmissions, tubeless tires, and seat belts. I think the attitude needs to change about these classic muscle cars. There will always be a place for them as works of art, but the daily driver is going to have to be much more efficient. Whether it is a small-displacement ICE with a lot of computer controls to squeeze every HP out of a drop of gas, or an EV. You don't see people riding horses or taking steam trains anymore. It's not that those things weren't charming, but something better came along to change the way we do things.
@@Ideo7Z that sound isn't fake. Its not from speakers or file download. Its actually air being pass through just like ICE. And the plan is to have up to 9 different power levels all through Direct Connection. But we just need to wait and see the full product and experience it ourselves. In the meantime I'll be blasting my 300c SRT8 in the streets 😊
It may not sound as authentic as a v8. But is it better than silence? Because that’s the alternative. Let’s support the brand and the future of muscle.
I love combustion engine sounds feel, especially v-8 supercharger or twin turbo,but the acceleration of electric motors is a whole different level, instant torque.
For those saying why don’t people like evs because they’re better (quicker, less maintenance, better for environment, etc.), the people who like these kind of cars don’t really see cars as only a tool to take them from one place to another. There’s something beautiful about hearing and feeling the rumble of an engine while being able to change gears and make the engine come back to life all at the control of your fingertips. Think of these kinds of cars as Rolex’s or mechanical watches and evs as smart watches. The smart watch does everything you need better, however with the mechanical watch, there’s the beauty of little parts working together to operate the machine and that’s what gives cars a soul and that’s what makes combustion engine cars special.
Edit: I’m not trying to bash evs or say anything against them I’m just trying to clarify why some people prefer gas cars even if evs are faster and better
Well, its not really better for the environment given how much goes into making the batteries and charging them on fossil fueled plants, not to mention the inefficiency to mileage and lack of infrastructure to charge all these EV cars. As far as maintenance, it isn't 0, and when those batteries get older they fade out and will likely total the car when that time comes due to cost. I'm not against them but the time is not now, a long way to go before a blue collar guy in rural-ish America could make it work day to day.
What “inefficiency to mileage”? What are you talking about? Even if you charge your car on coal-fired power and account for embedded energy costs of mining and manufacturing, the carbon payback period of purchasing an EV is a couple dozen months. Internal combustion is a ferociously inefficient process, ~40% under optimal conditions, and that’s after you mine and refine the crude oil and transport its derivative to your fuel tank - and before you burn off the resulting kinetic energy as brake heat. Meanwhile, batteries can be recycled into new batteries. There’s no comparison.
@@TwoShoedDude they are very inefficient especially when towing or under a load. They are also inefficient by charge time compared to filling up a tank. Also very strenuous on power grid currently with very little EV vehicles out there, states are periodically asking people not to charge their cars. It just makes 0 sense for me! Where I live it is semi rural area and I personally haven't seen a charging station within 60 miles of my house, not very efficient for me in any way, same goes for long road trips, you drive a couple hundred miles and charge for hours. Not to mention the materials needed to make these batteries are extremely hard to mine (likely not mined by an EV) and just cant see the sudden extreme push for going "green" ASAP with very little infrastructure, it makes no sense. I'm 100% for it but to act like they are 0 emission vehicles is just stupid, mainly everything on that car comes from fossil fuels including the electricity that powers it. Very good vehicle for someone in a city, but if you live in a semi rural area and tow (ev trucks burn through a charge with a LIGHT load) it's just not even close to being a viable option especially with the cost of them and cost of replacing batteries as they won't last or will lose power in time. One day! Till then V8s in my trucks and turbo 4s in my car!
@@XDM10 Yeah I agree I feel like the push for evs is too early they need to fix all the infrastructure and stop using fossil fuels to produce electricity first before I’ll really consider it “clean”. Also battery tech needs to improve so people who tow or haul can see evs as a practical alternative to traditional gas or diesel trucks. I saw the towing test video with Tfl with the ford lightning it was really bad.
@@purplepants491 hoovie did one also. Was killing the charge incredibly with an empty trailer. Like 75% worse
As a Ford 5.0 V8 owner, no it won't. V8s aren't the fastest things in the world anymore stockwise, but the sounds and mods that can be done is something no EV or car with less than 8 cylinders can do.
They can give you an app with different car sounds while you wear headphones. ;)
@@joeking433 That's just weird and fake tf.
I mean the current Charger can go 200+ mph haha not too much out there that can go faster for the price
@@jizzyjake6783 Can it beat a Tesla Plaid? ;)
@@joeking433 top speed yes. I think the Plaids are limited to like 170 so far and they are less expensive.
Will wait for an aftermarket and install that sound system in my Prius.
The fake Engine noise and shifting fake gears are hilarious WTF lol
Muscle car enthusiasts & diehards are like the exact opposite of people who buy EVs let alone EV versions of a muscle car. They can make it sure but it will be for a different type of person now and how good that switch will be will be determined in the sales
Most of the mopar community are culture vulture hype-beast who came from Impalas & Buicks! Dodge made the avg joe think he was car guy by making them affordable!
You honestly have the best response to all of this. Yeah, you can make fast electric cars that look awesome. But the sound, experience an electric car cannot duplicate that. Plus, an electric theoretical charger is gonna cost a hell of a lot more than a gas one
I politely disagree my friend. Yes the Dodge Challenger has always been a V8 muscle car but we live in a time where we need to move on from gasoline powered cars and push twords the future. Sadly it's these stubborn mindsets of unfamiliarity that keep society behind. Seatbelts, Airbags, Automatic Start, Gear Shift Dial, Rotary Engine, Hybrids, 4 Cylinder Engines... List goes on. These were all things that people hated at one point.
Enthusiasts will absolutely buy this car! Im an enthusiast and im very excited for this. I actually think the sound is super cool like something out of transformers. That sound will carry the identity of the old muscle cars we once knew into the new one. It's the next generation of automobiles and there's nothing we can do. Im proud to say I got what I believe is the best performance bargain for daily driving and that's a Hyundai Kona N Performance before everything goes electric.
How many gas fumes have you huffed? Must have lowered your IQ, which is a scientifically proven side effect of ICE.
Ever seen a jet fighter running on electricity
being 13... it really hurts to see muscle cars and V8s disappear before I get my license. I have also never seen a dodge challenger or charger and stuff because I am in Australia 😑
Dont worry these EVs wont take over . Our power grids will not allow it . Plus people like me that love I.C.E wont be buying into the E V Bull crap .
Cheer up there Johnny. it won't be long lad before you'll be behind the wheel of an automobile or truck. They will go faster too. You'll be buying a fast car when you get older IF that's what your heart really desires. 😀
Both of those cars I've seen in WA just keep an eye out
@@rickbailey189 Yeah but he won't be able to go far without having to stop to charge them for several hours at a time.
Hope. Newest viper ram rltruck v10. V10 surpasses v8.
Toyota and general motors both stated they will not build any more electric cars, now Volkswagen States they will be cutting back on their electric car production..
The sound I'm curious to hear in person. Cause if it sounds like noise but not felt like energy. When you can hear and feel the vibrations from afar of the roar and grumble💯
I’m surprised a major media producer such as CNBC doesn’t take the time to state what “Mopar” stands for.
what does it stand for
@@skeletongang Chrysler Motor Parts Corp
@@Lucas-ht4cp thanks
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@@brandonware4375 nah brother you're late
I will be 51yrs old soon. I am a computer programmer, and I restored muscle cars over the years. Weird combination... I work with A.I. etc... now. I don't want it in my muscle car though. There is a reason why muscle cars are popular with people in my age group. We want to tinker with them, modify them, make them our own. That basically goes right out the window with this new EV. Chrysler has been amazing at throwbacks to the time of muscle. They have been the best at it. The body on this new charger daytona is gorgeous. It really makes you think of a 68-70 charger. But, it isn't a muscle car.
There is no replacement for displacement when we talk about muscle cars. A 426 Hemi is what people want... Not a 426v Hemi. When this car comes out, the fun thing for all of us old muscle car guys will be the TH-cam videos. The videos of the guys with the money, that will make their own chassis, and put a real hemi in this and the batteries and motor will be on ebay.
This dumb fake noise they make in this, I already said someone would do that 10 years ago lol.
This car would be fun probably to drive, but the muscle car fun, would be non-existent.
the 426 hemi can be converted to 2 stroke cycle!
Agreed on every point. And these EVs have no lifecycle on them either. You can't pick up an old EV from a junkyard with a decentish engine and repair the distributor, swap out the alternator or put new gaskets in, you can't do anything to EVs; if they die, they die.
I’m in the category that Dodge has to convince here. I’m 25. Young, but I love the muscle car essence. I have a 2016 scat pack challenger with the manual and the 6.4. Right now the muffler is coming off. I think that electric won’t be the same. But as enthusiasts, muscle car and dodge fans really need to buy into this. It’s going to be the most authentic, most muscley electric car. Do we want extinction, or are we willing to do the least compromise possible to ensure the survival of the muscle car. When all cars go electric, let’s keep Dodge in business. Just look at the new electric concept. It’s got an authentic muscle car body. And the noise isn’t as good or authentic, but it’s way better than silence. I think Dodge and muscle car fans should really be hoping they get some sales for what they introduce. Otherwise this genre is going for extinction. I’ll buy into it! I’m a customer.
I don't look forward to telling the grandkids, "Back in my day cars weren't just upsized toys for adults with fake sound and toy shifters. No they were powerful pieces of equipment that took skill drive. They had a heartbeat you could feel as you sat within her just idling and a roar of a fearsome beast that sent a chill down your spine and made everyone's head turn to look in awe. Also the smell of that exhaust gives you nostalgia and makes you just want to press that peddle down. They were built to last, not to just be thrown away for the next model rolling off the line when something went wrong. You could work on them yourself when something went wrong. You could walk up to almost any old part store and pickup what you need and fix them with just a little know how and no college degree in electric engineering."
Dodge should keep making the V8 car as long as they can as custom orders at a premium rate (including applicable taxes) for the ones that want it. That way the loyal can put their money where their loyalty is.
if only there was a carbon tax, that way someone's hobby doesn't ruin the lives of everyone else.
@@Xob_Driesestig Absolutely. Premium rates are to include applicable taxes.
I think it would be a better idea if they used v6 hybrid
Dream on. The ICE age is over.
And loyalty? Dodge isn’t even American anymore.
@@Xob_Driesestig While not explained in the video, the threat of fines for not meeting fuel economy standards fines are forcing Dodge to change.
As a 24 yr old owner of a 2016 Charger RT and a long time Mopar fan I can say no they can not please us by going electric 💔
They don't intend to.
eventually you won't have a choice.
@@foam27 This! The example of the 1900's was key. The world is going EV with or without you. Over time you will see gas cars less and less on the roads.
@@Tysheeno which is absolutely stupid when we should just be moving to synthetic fuel. You have to really slow upstairs if you think ev is good for the environment.
@@jesseobrien2641 Keep your horse and steam engine alive too!
i was born into american muscle cars. dad brought me home from hospital in 68 in the back of a 67 shelby gt500. we always had a big American V8 when i was rowing up. took my driving test in my brothers 426 Hemi car. after my run with the 5.0 ford fox body and its swap to a mod motor, dodge got me in 2009 with the Challengers return . been a dodge lover ever since currently own 2011 challenger SRT8 6spd 392 Hemi. smiles per gallon is whatshe delivers. EVs may be the future but not mine , ill never own one . id rather walk.
Just makes the sound feature optional! It's a gimmick, but some might like it. Plus have an option for all drive mode with no need to change gears as well. Options for how the customer wants to tailor their car are best. I'm sure this will be a huge hit too. Doesn't look like typical EV's either which is nice!
Gut it to run on gas
They should mandate Tesla's FART sound, Elon says it's his most popular feature, imagine a 130 dbl fart every time the car exceeds the speed limit. LEO will love it!
Born in 51, I grew up LOVING new cars and trucks as a little boy in the deep south. They has a personality, made a statement (good, bad or indifferent); hell fire, we even gave em a name. Memories, both good and bad were made, BUT IT NEVER CROSSED MY MIND I WUD LIVE LONG ENUFF TO HORSEPOWER BE "PUT OUT TO PASTURE" AGAIN. Just happy I got to enjoy the FULL ride. With a tear in my eye Happy Trails to all
Love your comment so true 😁
Born the same year and my first new car was a 1969 Coronet R/T. Today I drive a Ram and own two muscle cars, a 1970 Challenger R/T 440 6pack car and a 1969 GTX. I will gladly do without EV's and keep my truck and the old school muscle.
Very fair documentary, thanks CNBC. Like a lot of people pointed out in the comments already, driving a muscle car isn't just about speed times. It's about connection to the vehicle through the engine noises, the shifts, the overall driving experience. Electric and even a lot of hybrid vehicles don't offer those qualities. While they're often quicker, they're also equivalent to driving a toy car. Hence why people love driving big, slow trucks and SUVs: experience > speed.
I'm curious, besides the obvious appeal of engine noises & revving, what IS the appeal of shifting & rowing gears, for the driving experience? If it is low-gear engine braking in curves etc, then, an EV w/ good regen will fit that bill- it's amazing driving one down curvy mountain roads! Like having infinite-speed low gear, just instant control both ways w/ your right foot... pressure down, and it zooms forward... lift up, gently or hard, and the regen braking resistance kicks in instantly, as controlled as you want.
Low center of gravity w/ the heavy batteries also makes for great road grip and little body roll, in those turns, you feel the G's but it is just on rails, stuck to the road.
There is no lurching (or delay!) from shifting in acceleration... just one BIG head-snapping lurch when you stomp it! EVs GO.
That launch grin, every time... makes up a lot for lack of engine roar :)
Try driving a good one... it is NOT a toy car or golf cart. It's maybe not as "low-tech" physical/visceral connection, if you like to feel all the moving parts rumbling and moving etc as you accelerate... but you certainly feel the acceleration, both from launch and at speed.
I guess replying to myself : there is a certain sense of technical master and accomplishment, from driving a muscle car well, that involves both sense and physicality- monitoring the RPMs both by tach and sound, properly timing shifts for smoothness w/ RPMs and accel/decel for fastest straights and in turns...
it's more work, but, kind of satisfying & involving work when done well? EVs , admittedly, don't have that... but, instead of having to divert brain & senses & reflexes to that, you can.. purely focus on the driving. You don't have to worry about any of those, and just focus on your line, road ahead, accel/decel, and cars around you if on track etc... it's more focus on the act & experience of driving, rather than BEING a driver.
If it is about wanting control back from the car, or not "cheating" like automatic vs manual transmission, well.. since there IS no transmission to control, well, there isn't a loss or cheat there. It does make it "simple", so "anyone" can do a perfect launch (just timing, not fast shifting), so something lost there.. but?
If you do want more control back as a driver, since most EVs have advanced traction/stability & throttle control, check out videos of Tesla Performance trims on the track... they have Track Mode, which lets driver control & defeat most traction and stability features, and can adjust power front/rear as desired, and you can drift and burn out as much (mostly) as you want!
It also has nice built-in G-meters and GPS track maps, and display of temps for battery/motors/brakes etc, so there is something to monitor and adjust on track etc. Main thing racers complain about is the brakes, not strong enough, and not perfect track handling, but... still amazing (and some 3rd party suspension mods to help.)
Plus, the SAME car can be your beast on the track, but... ALSO your daily driver at the same time, as gentle and smooth as you want. Just , maybe, different tires :) and cheaper to burn all those electrons, too... incredible performance, but not a gas guzzler. Only if you stomp it all the time :)
@@cgamiga Because speed limits exist, and it's what you CAN do under that limit. Public roads are not Autobahns where you can go flat out 150mph every time. Whereas when you have a car which you can control the mechanics of that car within the speed and the car's own physical limits, you find more fun within these so customizable and tailored experience, rather than having to have solely speed as an excitment factor for what would be a muscle car "electrified" (and also additionally, maybe even fake engine noise).
P.S Some may mention, then what about the handling? Well, in an electric car that will inevitably weigh over 2.2 tons with the battery, you either lose handling, or double the price tag of the car with absolutely crazy active suspension and chassis control like what you see in the Porsche Taycans and Audi RS'.
Long live the manual!
I’d argue that most have not driven one and are speaking from a position of ignorance. I think the biggest thing that prevents people from connecting with EV’s is the looks. Most of us gas guys fell in love with a car on a poster, or a commercial or sitting in a neighbors garage not making a spec of noise. We were just drooling over sharp edges and slick curves.
I'm an enthusiast. But the high value doesn't make the love of the cars or trucks. It's the rumble handling and the look of the car and truck that makes you acquire and makes you love the vehicle.
I like the look of the new car. But the sound of gas guzzler sports car💔. I would pay extra 20k-30k just to buy a gas car, with the original engine sound.
I do like the sound added thats pretty funny but needed....as long as u add a stealth button to turn it off.....in 1983 i began to build my own AAR cuda style road race challengers wide body kit no flares i got TA parts steering box auto trans 2500 727 TA trans it was amazingi lowered the car 3 inches 255 50 15 bfg TA radials it was shaping up its nice to see my challenger cruising around again...an i like the charger since u gave it the sheet metal redu of the sides of the 69 model...great i would have to get a tesla....
Can't wait to see someone do an engine swap on that electric Dodge. I do see the need for electric cars, but for my road trips and weekends I'll probably always keep a gas powered car.
LS swap Teslas are a thing. Plug-in hybrid is the best, EV for daily driving around town but no range anxiety and quick fill-ups on road trips.
after 2024 GAS engine are ILLEGAL , even Dodge are KILLING the Hemi & Hellcat in 2023.
Doing an engine swap on it will make it slower lol
a PHEV should be a great solution.
Like Rich' Rides who Put a V8 on a Tesla
Dont worry guys when they see the sales of their new EV vs the 2024 v8 mustangs I think the hemis will make a quick comeback lol
I love my SRT , I wouldn't be caught dead in a golf cart.
People who love performance will grow tired and impatient and realize all that power means nothing when you have to plug in very often after using that power its ridiculous
That engine sound sure was goofy - I hope someone will come up with a more creative solution. Hire in a Hollywood sound creator and give it a sound that'll drop your jaw and frighten you when you punch it - and reduce that to just announce the presence of the vehicle under normal driving. Nice design.
I will never drop serious coin on a car that sounds like a leaf blower. Stellantis has totally lost the plot.
Think I'd rather it be silent lol
They should somehow amplify the sound in f electric engines. Maybe it would sound more turbine like?
@@drewfeld836 How about they just stop making EV cars, their no better for our environment.
I was wondering if it would sound different under load? all they were doing was rubbing it up. Plus the car needs a spoiler and those rims are downright hideous on it.
As a 2016 Dodge Charger Owner whose interior door pannels and plastic trim warped within the first year. I was going to buy the 2022 Challenger with a manual transmission soley for that manual transmission. Now since you guys decided to go full electric. I will be happily buying the 2024 Mustang Darkhorse because of that manual 6 speed with that Coyote engine!🔥🔥😎
lol my 2018 Charger did the same thing.
@@1BuckeyeRob Cheap interior Adhesive 😞 did you ever fix it or replaced the panels? I had to use gorilla glue 🤣🤣 at the end I just tinted my windows black lol
Not to mention the fake exhaust tips!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You’ve made such a dent in their sales. Oh the humanity
@@Chaser-mw1fb I would opine that you are incorrect. The market for an electric expensive go-kart is limited.
Fake engine noises are like painting scenery on a window and trying to convince someone that it's just as good as a real view. It really shows a disconnect between the designers and the car culture they're attempting to connect to.
I love how the APEAL Index excluded Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Rolls Royce and Bentley amongst many others 😂
This will bomb, not the first time they were out of touch with their customers. These cars are purchased because of the heritage and by people that grew up falling in love with V8s. I have one because I specifically wanted a V8, if I wanted a fast car that was more practical, I would have got a hot hatch (STI, Focus, SI, Etc) they are all over 300 horsepower at this point and very fast, but not a V8. There are options, but for most customers this is a car that sits in a garage and is only driven a few times a year, and want a V8, which nothing compares to the raw power and sound. My daily is a cruise that get 40 mpg.
I want one so bad but its v8… so they got me as a customer now :D
its not their fault, they signed a contract with the company their under, in 10 years they must be 100% electric or face deletion of comapany
Where is the 2 stroke DFI v8 options, not all of like 4 stroke and some of us are die hard 2 stroke fans like my self.
Until you actually feel the power of an All wheel drive electric , the torque off the line through the 1/4 mile. It is Ludicrous ! And I'm just like the old guy in this video. Old school gear head. Never thought I would say this. That Charger is beautiful.
Dude they have no choice but to go electric, they will not fail
Pre-2024: damn that thing sounds like a beast, what exhaust you got in it
Post-2024: damn that thing sounds like a beast, what sound file is that
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it's really sad
1969 Plymouth GTX prices began at $3,416 for the Hardtop and $3,635 for the Convertible. Can anyone understand that in today's market it's worth $325,000? The 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 will be available at a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $96,666 (excluding destination and fees). The new Charger SRT is starting at $69990. The older cars were metal, but today most are fiberglass. So again why so high in price?
Just scale to whatever the level of enthusiasm is. Maybe it isn't at the level of 20 years ago, but it is there. Just don't insult the name. Muscle cars have to be big cars with big V8s, ideally a manual transmission. That's the whole idea. Nothing over-built, just heaps of affordable horsepower for going in straight lines. That's what it's meant for.
You wouldn't put some massive V8 in a hot hatch, right? It's not meant for practicality, it's meant for pleasure.
What I always feared growing up is coming true. Really sad for guys my age who are finally making money and working, and now all of the cars they wanted to buy, their lineages are dying off with battery powered contraptions that can’t have the powertrain modified.
I can relate to this feeling...
I really wanted to own a Challenger. Now I have to spend top dollar to buy a disconnected version 😑.
Cursed emission regulations!!!
well deserved. i wish they’d still exist in the $100,00 range. it’s unnecessary to make gas guzzling cars affordable and muscle cars are unnecessary for the general public. they should be priced luxury.
@@VinceIsDatBitch Totally agree.
No the problem is gouging the consumer! They sell these cars at triple they're original value and then the dealers add additional fees and will only sell to those with amazing credit!! Makes it so only the 1% can own a muscle car now days! I remember when you could get a muscle car for $4,000-6,000.00. now you can't get a muscle car for less than $100,000.00!! That's sickening and insane!!
@@graphicsgod only the .1% SHOULD own muscle cars. if cities were full of muscle cars it’d be disgustingly loud and foul-smelling.
Take a tip from a 73 year-old muscle car guy: Keep the V-8 sound! When you drive fast, you want to SOUND fast! That's half the joy of driving a muscle car. There were thousands of people who didn't want to see the horseless carriage replace the horse, but they warmed up to it pretty quickly. LOL!!
I love my V8 Challenger. Best handling car I've ever had. And I had a 2007 Shelby GT500, and a 1973 Pantera. This one hugs the road and responds very well. And nothing beats the sound of a V8. And I have always enjoyed driving a stick. Still do.
LOVE tuning the cars, feeling the vibrations, the insane sounds and shake of the drive train as 1,000+ HP is ready to take off, then to see how far you push them to get a 8/9 Sec 1/4 mile.
This electric thing is so fake, Like a supped up Battery Barbie car with fake sound maybe they can add a fake radio also.
NON racers are pushing this and also people making money off EV - not Gear heads at any track.
I just bought a 2019 cts-v for this reason. There done making them and cars will be ruined soon!
@@alec9260 good luck with fixing the electric cars yourself. Some of us enjoy turning our own wrench’s and not getting ripped off to maintain them.
*_"When you drive fast, you want to SOUND fast!"_* Well aren't we lucky!! Any sound can be electronically recreated!! Boy, don't you just LOVE progress!!
Im not opposed to EVs at all, but not in a muscle or pony car. As long as they still give me a roaring v8, ill be happy
Now that’s an electric car I can appreciate.
i hope that gas can become completely synthetic to save the heart of the v8s, to provide actual *options* for what people can drive. The force of change instead of looking at the other end of the issue is a painful, but known one. Maybe F1 can stir the pot sooner but im even scared of that id say. The 6.2 is honestly really important, it'd be so sad to just see it left hung out to dry
3.1 liter by bred
WELL THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT EL😈N MUSK AND ALL THE ELITE SATANISTS ARE DOING , ERADICATING FUEL AND BRINGING IN A. i....ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE🚫🚫👎👎👎👎👎 ROBOTS TO REPLACE HUMANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
WTF do you think E 85 is?
It comes from the ground no point g
Stop falling for oil is fossil lie
What gets me aggrevated is I feel we're being forced into EVs.
Especially when you think that electricity comes from gas.
Uhh, we are lol
Definitely forced into EV's. Only to continue the "global seasons are killing you" narrative, I believe is a meme with too much seriousness.
@@cosmicsniper6473 With that they will save couple flies.
Its all fake they are just offering a couple ev models while the world collapses to fool the sheep into voting in the laws that will bring about the collapse even faster. The Ford lightning cant even tow go lookat the TH-cam reviews. We as consumers need to punish the auto industry hold onto your cars and just put off buying new for 5yrs. maybe they'll abandon the government to stay in business
"They stop well. They handle well"
Europe: Hold my beer
It was also be available in a twin turbo v6. And a 4 door version too.
I understand that Stellantis didn't give Dodge a choice. They want to sell EVs, fine by me. But selling them under the Challenger and the Charger nameplates is just blasphemy. Retire them with honour and end their run on a high note. They will be remembered and become a legend in the years to come.
This is childish
Just make a ev challenger that's better then the gas ez
@@Akosa117 We're all just kids inside
@@Akosa117 No, it's correct. Why taint good names when they become something they're not.
@Paul they can't because they discontinued their entire line up in 2019, they only got 3 cars now, if they'd kept the Journey. Caravan, Avenger and dart with better build quality effort over time they wouldn't be put In a tight spot, that's what happened when they decided to put all their eggs in one basket by only focusing on hp alone
So relieved to hear those millionaires will consider adding one to their collection. Well done.
Stop hating like little ho. We like what we like
lol So true.
Ikr lol
yup us peasants can grab a bicycle
Exactly what I was thinking 1 minute in video
I think it would be nice if they made it both electric & gas just for one more last generation at least
I actually want the electric car to sound more sci-fi. Think ominous, like a star wars tie fighter
I was all with him until he said they handle well. Dodge does have power and style but handling is does not have when speaking on the Charger and Challenger. Now the Viper, that's what we really want.
Buy new viper v10
Your gonna have to wake up Carroll shelby
They slide good
American muscle cars.........where all roads a re straight!
Never Ever! Got SRT 392 Challenger which is a beast of a car and I will never replace it with an electric toaster on wheels
I originally bought my 22 scat pack to resale in a few years but it's not gonna happen. I love this car
Working hydrgen veter
I had an SE 70 challnger im probably the only one who recognizes the logos i was the only SE challnger id ever seen a 318 2v car boat anchor 3 speed..which i changed to a factory TA 727 automatic..an a TA steering box 14to 1 ratio box and alluminum too 2 small upgrades in 1983 the car took on a whole new performance mainly thanks to the transmission...thanks to mopar an dodge performance for that auto trans gem.....sadly clueless an young i passed on a stripe delete AAR Cuda for 1500...had no idea u already built what i was trying to build...dahhhh
I don’t think so. I would say the roaring sound of the engine and the smell of the fumes are more important than the speed. I believe it will be great for people who are 100% on board with electric vehicles.
Dodge enthusiasts are very disappointed. I know, I am one! I will be looking very hard at the new Dark Horse Mustang when it comes out. The scat pack might get sold or traded in at that point. Sad because Dodge was the only muscle car out there.
No bro,ev haters were disappointed.
EV's are just stronger muscles.
@@Remix2366 Bro a microwave cooks faster than a grill, but no one ever asked for a microwaved burger.
@@ghuff31 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
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@@ghuff31 Great analogy 👏🏿
Gas or electric, both are fun for a short time, but nothing new has the soul and feel of a nostalgic V8 beast with classic lines. The simplicity of build is a big part of that.
Simplicity of build? How is an Otto-motor simpler than an electric motor?
Likes riding old v8 turds...
They sound cool.
But given enough time it'll all fade away
Nothing can replace the sound of throbbing V8!
@@lorenzrosenthal119 he meant the car design, not a functional builds.
Our Honda Pilot took on an full sized adult moose with a full rack head on and survived. I was thankful for the Pilot, but feel like I could have avoided the moose in my 2011 Charger R/T Max AWD. - The new Electric Ford Mustang SUV should have never carried the Mustang badge. - The upside is that EVs have the very real potential to knock OPEC off of their pedestal. The days of keeping pet tigers will lean on family money and future based wise investments.
Any company that wants to revolutionize the electric car market might start hiring musicians that know a lot of music theory and familiarity with stomp boxes and electronic music to work with your engineers so they collaborate what the sound and range of sounds a customer be looking for. The genre experiences they would want are debatable but faster the music the better cause cars go fast. You would need someone creative and not famous. The best results would be from someone that tried to make in the music world but never gained traction but personally from observation you could tell they really learned a lot from it.
There is a lot of ways to approach this but it’s going to take a pretty creative mind to deliver what the people want.
Master this then you could start making high end r/c cars that could achieve a pit stop transaction at stores such the gas station or grocery store.
A lot sounds I have in mind won’t be easy to find but they’re out there.
If you seen an electric monster truck it’s clear it’s missing the iconic roar.
Utilize the acoustics with the electronics in a EV and hire a musician to collaborate with musician you’ll gain a lot of traction on the EV industry.
Cause not everyone doesn’t want it super loud but they will want something that can be modified to make it louder and that’s when selling performance parts becomes another win.
Cause the car does look cool with minor opinions aside by with EVs you can bring back a lot of classic shapes that don’t look like commercial airplanes. Adding natural sound is a step in the right direction just needs a musicians “tuning”.
Nothing will replace the feeling of driving a V8 no matter the brand. Replacing it is impossible.
I hear you but go for a ride in the plaid
@@foam27 oh I’ve been in a p100d. They’re nice and pretty quick but I’m still not sold. I love the purity of a combustion engine with respect to Tesla.
@@S.C1970 Lol, a P100D is nothing compared to a plaid :O
Yes all of us gearheads are totally excited about the new dodge electric muscle car. We can't wait to pay crazy dealer markups and a hear a fake engine reving sound when we press the accelerator while sitting still. This is on par with Jesus returning to earth.
Amen
Somebody is going to put a hellcat engine in that new electric charger 😂😂😂
I love dodge and grew up loving dodge. My first car is my 66 charger and my 49 coronet still has the flathead. Would love to get a new dodge but with dealerships price gouging it’s not gonna happen. Would love the EV dodge but we know it’s not gonna sell for less than 100k