I cancelled my 5090 order... I have a 7900 xtx and I honestly don't know why I felt the need to order a 5090. I think it's depression causing this. I didn't even need the 7900 xtx because I already had an RX 6800 and an Xbox Series X with 2 years of gamepass left... ☹️🤷🏽♂️
Explanation of transformers vs convolutional neural networks (CNNs): CNNs are really old, they take 3x3 or 5x5 chunks of pixels and look for patterns like diagonal lines, circles, high contrast etc. A bunch of little neural nets analyse all the chunks of pixels, and they pull heaps of possible patterns. So after this step you're left with values between 0 and 1 representing how well each chunk fit each pattern. You then pass this through a big neural network, the one you see images of when people explain neural networks, and this does some magic and spits out whatever you want. In DLSS it spits out the new upscaled list of pixels. Transformers came out in 2018 and were originally used for Google translate stuff. They have a look at all the pixels (not chunks) and analyse each pixel's relation to each other. Like how chatGPT notices the relationship between yummy and orange to infer orange is the fruit not color. This means the transformer should have better contextual understanding of fences and things. The attention mechanism is what finds all the relationships, then after that you go through a big normal neutral network, then attention over and over until the output layer which spits out the new pixels. If you got to the end of this comment you should watch 3blue1browns explanations. 10/10 visuals and you don't need to know maths or programming
Yeah this is actually the biggest impact the 50 series release has on the majority of people I think. Happy Nvidia for once has done something which is genuinely consumer friendly with this update
I basically couldn't see the difference in sharpness until the close up of the police car at the end, but i could really tell it made a difference there. Thanks for posting!
Thanks for covering this! Everyone is so focused on the 5090 and most gamers won't even purchase it because it's prohibitively expensive. Keep up the good work!
Not only that, but the top tier cards have become more and more out of reach in comparison to 5-10 years ago. Even though they were still pricey to the average joe back then, Far more PC gamers were still owning them. But now with inflation (mainly heavy false inflation) this has pushed them right up to elite level lol. No doubt some average joes still desperately get in debt to have the new toy, But it's mainly the geeks with money to burn this time.
When doing side by sides for DLSS in the future, i think zooming in the image for a youtube video would go a long way Compression really ruins the comparison
Pasting here what little testing I've done in the in-game benchmark. I'm honestly glad to see that the transformer model seems to be running well on entry level RTX GPUs in this case, since they stand to gain the most in terms of image quality and performance: I have a 4090 and 7800X3D. 4K, maximum settings, and path tracing enabled. I tested 3 runs of the in-game benchmark with the CNN DLSS Perf mode and 3 runs of the transformer DLSS Perf mode. CNN averaged me about 72 FPS, and the transformer model averaged me about 70 FPS. It was around a 2 - 3 FPS loss compared to CNN. Subjectively, I found image quality to be more stable overall with the transformer model as opposed to the CNN model, especially when it comes to ghosting and smearing, and I would personally take the small performance loss in favor of the increased visual quality. It still isn't completely perfect as I saw some slight flicker with thin lines, but it was far improved compared to CNN. I took a glance at ray reconstruction and frame generation on top of the transformer model and had around 118 - 120 FPS with an average latency of 45 milliseconds.
OMG. Through a youtube video and it was very very easy to see the hugely more clear and sharper image of the new model! I am for the first time, impressed! I would like to see the difference in text, like in the machines which sell items, the small screens they have with text as you are looking at the machine. Thanks for sharing.
Can't wait to try this on my 3080 later, if it's worth it and able me to hold on my graphic card for longer that would be awesome because the price of new gpu are creeping so much in price, harder to justify an upgrade vs the time I spend playing games nowadays
As a crazy cyberpunk player that has tons of mods and has to wait a little bit before updating, thank you for making this video, definitely will make use of the new DLSS once I update it
You can force this new DLSS in other games now with Nvidia profile inspector and the DLSS4 dll file, I put it in Mortal kombat 1 and it immediately looked great
Thanks for checking out the new dlss model it looks great, and I hope it gets a little more out of the budget. Also, how have you been rg? I hope you're doing well in this chilly winter! Wow, the game still looks okay at ultra perf and doesnt have the usual vaseline super smear a similar level of upscale fsr would. Sometimes, i think the work nvidia put into dlss is black magic
Okay wasn't expecting a performance impact from "model" change, but it is what it is, and if it comes with quality improvements then you did the right thing by showcasing more aggressive upscaling thresholds
It’s not completely obvious at first, but watching the double blade fans in the background at 4:05 and going forward, there’s definitely an improvement between small details in motion. The quality seems almost the same between quality(cnn) and balanced(tm) but I have to wonder if quality improves with higher end cards with more tensor cores.
NV just made 2080Ti ever lasting. It has proven faster than 3070 in newer titles due to bigger VRAM pool. 4070 is barely 30% faster (tho' it has decent margins in some games), 2080Ti is still capable of running 4K60 aside of path tracing. With the new model, it can be safely used at Performance DLSS with decent image quality. As a native lover I have to credit NV where credit is due, new version makes DLSS actually usable. However I still find FSR frame gen better, FPS seems more stable and image quality is similar or even better (which makes sense as FPS is more stable)
If DLSS improves, that means that FSR and XeSS must improve too to be able to compete - which just ends up giving everyone a better experience. FSR 4 is already looking quite promising due to its having to measure up to DLSS. I do hope that AMD and Intel step up their game and stop having to always play catch-up; Nvidia should also be under this same pressure.
I've been trying this for a couple of hours and it looks and runs great on my 3080 at 1440p, performance mode looks really good, but ultra performance looks drastically worse. The only time I found noticeable weird artifacts with the new transformer model was with it going crazy with a moire pattern of a road painting on the floor. Even when standing completely still and without camera movements the effect would move around/flicker super fast lol, which didn't happen with the older model. But overall great improvement. I've also once again been reminded of how much worse it is to play with RT on vs RT off in cyberpunk lol, the game is so choppy and the ray reconstruction looks just so awful and watercoloury, on the other hand the difference between HDR off and on is insane, at least on an OLED monitor.
My gaming laptop has the RTX 3060 mobile 6GB (with Ryzen 5800H 8c16t, and 32 GB ddr4-3200-cl20). This breathes another bit of life into it. Ill be able to keep and enjoy this for a few more years 😃
Reshade is king, just downloading the update now didn't know this was upcoming! But I would go for the higher FPS option and use reshade sharpeners, practically zero FPS drops from my experience.
>be nvidia >introduce DLSS as a thing to get people to upgrade >each new generation adds some slightly better feature >AMD introduces their own >Intel introduces their own >Make up arbitrary frame gen >Competitors do it too >Modders enable it on old series >Each previous gen becomes more competitive against each new generation with minimal raster gains >Put on clown makeup and invest entirely into enterprise AI
Not bad! Though with a 3050 (8GB) I wouldn't bother with DLSS at all, just use Native 1080p at either Medium or High and still get close enough to 60fps. That said, this will help some other cards that may just need a smidge of DLSS to get a solid 60fps.
12gb 3060 would be a delight. Dont get 8gb cards in 2025. 3060 has proven itself and intel need to fix problems. Dlss4 seems very promising for budget nvidia cards
i would've loved to see some comparisons of moving npcs. since the tm dlss model mainly focuses on the smearing and blurring behind moving objects. which is horrendous on dlss 3.5
Not sure how much longer my 2080 will last but nice to see some newer features still trickling down to the older series of cards. Would be nice to get a 5080 later this year but its hard to justify the price
used DLSS Swapper to add it to all games i have, just tested it in Dead Space Remake. 5800X3D with a 3060 12GB on a 1440P ultra wide monitor. DLSS on Q still around 60 FPS and it looks very good, on B i go to around 70 FPS and it looks like the (old) DLSS. very happy with this update
I guess that new DLSS balanced is old DLSS quality (in terms of resolution which it upscales from) And new DLSS Quality is kinda "ultra quality" which have XESS and FSR 1.0
no, the internal resolution is the same you can check it with the DLSS hud override. The AI model used for upscaling is completely different now and it's slightly heavier than the old one on most gpus. So it's not upscaling from a higher resolution, it's just doing it better.
I tried DLSS4 in several games. I can tell DLSS4 on performance mod at 4k now looks much better than DLSS 3 on quality mode. new performance mod now looks close to the old DLAA.
On sites like eBay & such if you can get a RTX 3050 8GB for like $100ish I feel it's very well worth for what you paid. DLSS & FSR are on really high end GPUs is basically only used for higher res (1440 & 4k) but can usually still run decent in full native. A lower end GPU I feel makes better use out of a feature like DLSS and to an extent FSR but FSR tends to have a lower quality image which I find tends not to look great when at 1080. DLSS I feel produces a higher quality image & in most games can look decent when set to 1080 along with even Performance level DLSS. The 3050 8GB when priced right I feel is a good match for 1080p/1200p displays along with "minimal" gaming needs (ex older titles like Anno 1404). For more intense gaming I have another system that I solely remote desktop into using either Parsec or Sunshine/Moonlight. Too bad the 3000 series didn't natively support AV1 otherwise that would have made them perfect for the upcoming generation in streaming tech.
I like it in my 2060, in a 1440x900 monitor, it is more sharp without sharpness injected, more stable and the fps dont fall agressibly, only like 5 fps, in some cases its unestable, but with the improvements in motion i like it
Seems to be applicable to all RTX cards with varying results. I assume the more tensor cores the card has, the better it handles the new transformer model.
Can you test it in games which aren't updated yet too by doing it yourself? You should be able to find instructions online, tried to point you that direction already but TH-cam auto modded me.
I guess this will help Nvidia to sell those remaining 3050 (even the 6GB version) that gained an awful reputation. Still wonder if they're planning on releasing a no power connector 5050
I wonder if you could get RT Overdrive at over 30fps with DLSS Ultra Performance and have it still look decent thanks to this new model. It does seem quite promising to be honest, and this comes from someone who uses integer scaling on a 39" TV like it's the most normal thing and likes it, literally playing NFS UG2 at 360p with pixels so big you can smell them.
Now I watched the LTT video on the 5090, and there were a whole lot of words. Which even when they explained them, my little brain still didn't understand. But from what little I understood, I thought there was hardware built into the 50 series cards to work. With These new DLSS standards, so is that not the case or is this just a software option? Again didn't understand a lot, so forgive my ignorance.
DLSS 4 is actually a set of things, that is, it includes: Upscaling (the one shown in the video), ray reconstruction, frame generation and multi frame generation. Upscaling and ray reconstruction are available on all RTX GPUs (so from the 20 to the 50 series). Frame generation is only available on the 40 and 50 series because it requires specific hardware and more AI cores compared to upscaling for example. Multi frame generation is only available on the 50 series because it requires specific hardware and more AI cores. The difference between frame generation and multi frame generation is the number of frames they generate, the normal frame generation does a 2x while the multi frame generation can do a 3x and 4x (be careful, they do not improve the input lag but only the perceived fluidity and already require a bit of fps to give good results, so it makes no sense to use the frame generation with a base of 30fps). Upscaling as you can see in the video can start from a lower resolution and then bring the image back to the native resolution of the monitor and ray reconstruction let's say that it does a similar thing but with raytracing reflections (if RT is active, otherwise you can't use ray reconstruction at all). So if you have any 2000 or 3000 series gpu (eg: 2080 or 3070) you can use the new upscaling and the new ray reconstruction. If you have an RTX 4000 such as a 4060 you can use the new upscaling, ray reconstruction and frame generation. If you have a new RTX 5000 such as the 5090 you can use EVERYTHING. This entire package comes under the name of DLSS 4. What you see in the video is how the performance varies from the old upscaling model to the new one which works in a substantially different way and therefore is heavier on old gpu (but not by much in the end). I hope I was clear enough.
@@emanuelefusco4466 Thank you so much sir, that makes more sense to me. And yes I have a 3070, so I understand what is or is not possible. Honestly it gets pretty confusing, or I'm not smart enough...probably that, thank you very much, and have a wonderful day, evening or morning wherever you are in the world.
@@shadowswithin702 Don't worry, it's not about intelligence; it's just that if you don't stay informed on this topic regularly, it's easy to get overwhelmed by information. Things change quickly. By the way, I'm from Italy, and I also have a 3000 series card, specifically a 3080. Thanks a lot for the kind words, I have an exam tomorrow 😅.
Please compare this DLSS model with rtx4060ti vs rtx3070, with some test using RR and even DLSS balance. Also 4k, optimised settings with DLSS performance wit or without RT would be nice, depends if Vram is enough.
I don't think I'm going to get any real framerate increases. After Phantom Liberty upped the specs, my 10900k is just not up to speed. In accordance, I'm still using a 3090. I'll never get above a stable 30 fps max settings DLSS and RT with all the npcs. Gotta get a new CPU.
What's the point then? Last week I started a new playthrough on medium settings on a 2060 6GB and a Ryzen 5 5500 with DLSS Balanced and was getting around 110-85 fps What's the point of switching from CNN to TM if we lose frames and we have to switch to a grainier balance setting? Isn't it better to just stick to old CNN DLSS-Balanced than to run TM DLSS-Performance?
Wait a sec... did it let you enable Frame Generation? What options were there? It shows Off on your screen, but was there an ability to turn it on? I don't have CP2K7 to check. The 30 series doesn't have FG, did DLSS4 enable FG on a 30 series? No one has said that yet. It's just been speculation for possible future use. AMD didn't even acknowledge that in the interview with DF, they just left the door open to the possibility.
DLSS 4 look pretty in quality mod, after that you start to see some weird things like the CNN in quality (see moving texts, but still decent if you really need it), when i look at that if think it can be nice even with mid/high-end GPU, because if you can play in 4k with pretty much the same framerate as 1440p with nearly the same result as native it's a win/win. too bad GTX cards aren't compatible.
Does anyone know why changing resolution (1080p-1440p) or Going through low-medium settings doesn’t change my fps at all? I have a 3060ti and a Ryzen 5600x
@@distrusts huh? where did you get that information? it will be usable on all rtx cards once games get updated to support it, im not sure if older 1000 series cards will be able to use it though
Best To Use For Image Quality ( This is how i see ) RTX 50 - DLSS 4 P/UP and x2/x3 FG RTX 40 - DLSS 4 B/P and x2/no FG RTX 30 - DLSS 3 Q/B RTX 20 - DLSS 2 UQ/Q RTX 10 - FSR/XESS UQ/Q
I respectfully disagree. I does not look better imo. Drive out to the badlands. Every single tree and bush keeps popping like a tennis ball and they all have this terrible grain to them. I stayed with the Convolutional Dlss set to Quality at 1440p or 2160p. More than less stable 50-60 fps.
Its really cool to see some new life into those entry-level graphics cards.. but they should rather start giving me real performance for my money and not "AI generated" frames including tearing and stuff. Still pretty impressive what you can do just by generating frames.
That is whats wrong with open world games, crashing or scratching other vehicles on the road should just result in fines auto deduct from your money and NOT a freaking policeman in motorcycle shooting at you endlessly like you are the most wanted man in the world. Open world games badly needs a reputation system where if it goes down a certain thresh hold due to doing bad stuff you will just be unable to do certain things, should be balanced by doing samaritan like stuff to increase rep.
@@CrocoDylianVT in transformer model the images actually looks sharper the new dlss balanced is way better then the old one dlss quality or same but better it makes image sharp bla bla
Way more relevant than all the 5090 reviews
amen, this is incredible uplift anyone with an nvidia card made in the last 5 years can benifit from.
Yeah all 3 people with 5090s are eating good
I cancelled my 5090 order... I have a 7900 xtx and I honestly don't know why I felt the need to order a 5090. I think it's depression causing this. I didn't even need the 7900 xtx because I already had an RX 6800 and an Xbox Series X with 2 years of gamepass left... ☹️🤷🏽♂️
Give the rx 6800 to people you know who don't have good gpu for their upgrade@@Haywood-Jablomie
@@Haywood-Jablomie Lots of people who buy top of the line cards/CPUs spend less time gaming and more time researching for upgrades.
I care far more about this then almost all the 50 series coverage lol. This has quickly become one of my favorite tech channels!
Thank you I really appreciate it :)
5:50 Considering it's upscaled from 360p that's pretty damn good
seriously, It looks great to be upscaled from so low. I think about what fsr looks like when you ultra perf at 1080p and it's a smeared ghosty mess
Yeah thats actually crazy that 360p can upscale to look as good as that
imagine the artifacts would be amazing and scary
You could literaly argue it looks better than fsr quality in many ways. Insane.
transformer model will make 540p really decent on a 1440p monitor ,
Explanation of transformers vs convolutional neural networks (CNNs):
CNNs are really old, they take 3x3 or 5x5 chunks of pixels and look for patterns like diagonal lines, circles, high contrast etc. A bunch of little neural nets analyse all the chunks of pixels, and they pull heaps of possible patterns. So after this step you're left with values between 0 and 1 representing how well each chunk fit each pattern. You then pass this through a big neural network, the one you see images of when people explain neural networks, and this does some magic and spits out whatever you want. In DLSS it spits out the new upscaled list of pixels.
Transformers came out in 2018 and were originally used for Google translate stuff. They have a look at all the pixels (not chunks) and analyse each pixel's relation to each other. Like how chatGPT notices the relationship between yummy and orange to infer orange is the fruit not color. This means the transformer should have better contextual understanding of fences and things. The attention mechanism is what finds all the relationships, then after that you go through a big normal neutral network, then attention over and over until the output layer which spits out the new pixels.
If you got to the end of this comment you should watch 3blue1browns explanations. 10/10 visuals and you don't need to know maths or programming
The fact that you don't need 50 series for their new dlss is actually HUGE.
Google Lossless Scaling frame gen and thank me later.
@@moravianlion3108 it has worse quality tho
@@moravianlion3108 why would anyone thank you for a solution thats worse than the native one?
Yeah this is actually the biggest impact the 50 series release has on the majority of people I think. Happy Nvidia for once has done something which is genuinely consumer friendly with this update
@@oxfordsparkywhat if the game doesn't have a native one?
Finally someone did the most awaited test. Thank You ❤
Thanks for watching :)
Now THIS is the only review that truly matters for 90% of gamers
I basically couldn't see the difference in sharpness until the close up of the police car at the end, but i could really tell it made a difference there. Thanks for posting!
Yeah definitely more clear with the still shots
Look at the blue screen on the police car, it is completely unreadable with CNN
Thanks for covering this! Everyone is so focused on the 5090 and most gamers won't even purchase it because it's prohibitively expensive. Keep up the good work!
Not only that, but the top tier cards have become more and more out of reach in comparison to 5-10 years ago.
Even though they were still pricey to the average joe back then, Far more PC gamers were still owning them. But now with inflation (mainly heavy false inflation) this has pushed them right up to elite level lol. No doubt some average joes still desperately get in debt to have the new toy, But it's mainly the geeks with money to burn this time.
When doing side by sides for DLSS in the future, i think zooming in the image for a youtube video would go a long way
Compression really ruins the comparison
compression is so bad games look surprisingly amazing when I actually play them
finnally a video without an 5090.
Something for your pocket.
our pocket my brother
@@d.hadrian7529di you say our ? This remind me of soviet anthem meme
@ all poor all happy, 3050 and fsr the real dignity
Always love the down to earth vids. Keep up the good work man
You could say dlss 4.0 is, more than meets the eye.
You could say DLSS4 is the friends we made along the way.
Cant wait for the driver to force Transformer model on any DLSS game.
I love that the 50 series card you test, on the day the embargo for tests drop, is a 30fifty, nice! :P
thank you good sir, Everyone is reviewing the flagships and no one at the low end
Pasting here what little testing I've done in the in-game benchmark. I'm honestly glad to see that the transformer model seems to be running well on entry level RTX GPUs in this case, since they stand to gain the most in terms of image quality and performance:
I have a 4090 and 7800X3D. 4K, maximum settings, and path tracing enabled. I tested 3 runs of the in-game benchmark with the CNN DLSS Perf mode and 3 runs of the transformer DLSS Perf mode. CNN averaged me about 72 FPS, and the transformer model averaged me about 70 FPS. It was around a 2 - 3 FPS loss compared to CNN.
Subjectively, I found image quality to be more stable overall with the transformer model as opposed to the CNN model, especially when it comes to ghosting and smearing, and I would personally take the small performance loss in favor of the increased visual quality. It still isn't completely perfect as I saw some slight flicker with thin lines, but it was far improved compared to CNN.
I took a glance at ray reconstruction and frame generation on top of the transformer model and had around 118 - 120 FPS with an average latency of 45 milliseconds.
OMG. Through a youtube video and it was very very easy to see the hugely more clear and sharper image of the new model! I am for the first time, impressed!
I would like to see the difference in text, like in the machines which sell items, the small screens they have with text as you are looking at the machine.
Thanks for sharing.
DLSS4 coming to sub $300 cards is great
Yeah definitely :)
Can't wait to try this on my 3080 later, if it's worth it and able me to hold on my graphic card for longer that would be awesome because the price of new gpu are creeping so much in price, harder to justify an upgrade vs the time I spend playing games nowadays
It's encouraging by the example near the tree, that reducing to Balanced mode gained back the FPS while retaining higher visual fidelity!
should also test the rtx 2060 aswell
Probably the same performance, or a bit faster on 2060.
should be a bit better than this
estoy por probar la 2060 super =D
As a crazy cyberpunk player that has tons of mods and has to wait a little bit before updating, thank you for making this video, definitely will make use of the new DLSS once I update it
You can force this new DLSS in other games now with Nvidia profile inspector and the DLSS4 dll file, I put it in Mortal kombat 1 and it immediately looked great
Thanks for checking out the new dlss model it looks great, and I hope it gets a little more out of the budget. Also, how have you been rg? I hope you're doing well in this chilly winter!
Wow, the game still looks okay at ultra perf and doesnt have the usual vaseline super smear a similar level of upscale fsr would. Sometimes, i think the work nvidia put into dlss is black magic
Okay wasn't expecting a performance impact from "model" change, but it is what it is, and if it comes with quality improvements then you did the right thing by showcasing more aggressive upscaling thresholds
It’s not completely obvious at first, but watching the double blade fans in the background at 4:05 and going forward, there’s definitely an improvement between small details in motion.
The quality seems almost the same between quality(cnn) and balanced(tm) but I have to wonder if quality improves with higher end cards with more tensor cores.
Yeah I noticed the fans too :)
NV just made 2080Ti ever lasting. It has proven faster than 3070 in newer titles due to bigger VRAM pool. 4070 is barely 30% faster (tho' it has decent margins in some games), 2080Ti is still capable of running 4K60 aside of path tracing. With the new model, it can be safely used at Performance DLSS with decent image quality. As a native lover I have to credit NV where credit is due, new version makes DLSS actually usable. However I still find FSR frame gen better, FPS seems more stable and image quality is similar or even better (which makes sense as FPS is more stable)
Not even an nVidia user, and I find this lovely.
If DLSS improves, that means that FSR and XeSS must improve too to be able to compete - which just ends up giving everyone a better experience. FSR 4 is already looking quite promising due to its having to measure up to DLSS. I do hope that AMD and Intel step up their game and stop having to always play catch-up; Nvidia should also be under this same pressure.
One of the few relevant coverage's regarding NVIDIA's new AI. 🧑🍳
I've been trying this for a couple of hours and it looks and runs great on my 3080 at 1440p, performance mode looks really good, but ultra performance looks drastically worse.
The only time I found noticeable weird artifacts with the new transformer model was with it going crazy with a moire pattern of a road painting on the floor. Even when standing completely still and without camera movements the effect would move around/flicker super fast lol, which didn't happen with the older model. But overall great improvement.
I've also once again been reminded of how much worse it is to play with RT on vs RT off in cyberpunk lol, the game is so choppy and the ray reconstruction looks just so awful and watercoloury, on the other hand the difference between HDR off and on is insane, at least on an OLED monitor.
Well ultra performance is like watching standard television on a 4k screen.
Wait so RT on is good or bad? And also hdr on is good or bad?
Much higher cost on lower end cards, i had a minimal cost on 4070 ti super but still nice to see it works!
Was i seeing things or were youu able to turn on frame gen?
you can use FSR frame gen with any card
My gaming laptop has the RTX 3060 mobile 6GB (with Ryzen 5800H 8c16t, and 32 GB ddr4-3200-cl20).
This breathes another bit of life into it.
Ill be able to keep and enjoy this for a few more years 😃
Did Nvidia actually confirmed the render resolutions are the same between models?
Tried it at 1440p at performance mode and it still looked great
Dlss 4 is amazing
Reshade is king, just downloading the update now didn't know this was upcoming! But I would go for the higher FPS option and use reshade sharpeners, practically zero FPS drops from my experience.
>be nvidia
>introduce DLSS as a thing to get people to upgrade
>each new generation adds some slightly better feature
>AMD introduces their own
>Intel introduces their own
>Make up arbitrary frame gen
>Competitors do it too
>Modders enable it on old series
>Each previous gen becomes more competitive against each new generation with minimal raster gains
>Put on clown makeup and invest entirely into enterprise AI
So… that’s the one argument for the 50s series existence. Nvidia smoking Monopoly money hard.
Not bad! Though with a 3050 (8GB) I wouldn't bother with DLSS at all, just use Native 1080p at either Medium or High and still get close enough to 60fps.
That said, this will help some other cards that may just need a smidge of DLSS to get a solid 60fps.
Thanks. now im conflicted between a 6650XT, B570, and a 3060.... thats DLSS4 for older cards added more life span
6650xt for consistency, b570 if you can deal with lesser tuned drivers
12gb 3060 would be a delight. Dont get 8gb cards in 2025. 3060 has proven itself and intel need to fix problems. Dlss4 seems very promising for budget nvidia cards
Just for one game.
Get a 3060Ti
i would've loved to see some comparisons of moving npcs. since the tm dlss model mainly focuses on the smearing and blurring behind moving objects. which is horrendous on dlss 3.5
the new version of dlss is relly good 👏👏👏
Does anyone know if you can manually put the DLSS4 files in games that have DLSS1, 2 or 3?
Not sure how much longer my 2080 will last but nice to see some newer features still trickling down to the older series of cards. Would be nice to get a 5080 later this year but its hard to justify the price
Dlss 4 and the transformer model might only be on the 40 and 50 series cards tho :(
@@Esteez I'm seeing its for all RTX cards! So good news there. Also this video is a test with a 3050 lol so not just 40 and 50 series
@@Esteezbruh what video did you click on?
Now, if only the games I actually want to play would implement this too LOL
This just added 5 more years towards an OEM blower style 2080Ti l
The RTX 3050 uses DLSS 2 from what I understand. So what is this sharper DLSS?
The video we really wanted
used DLSS Swapper to add it to all games i have, just tested it in Dead Space Remake. 5800X3D with a 3060 12GB on a 1440P ultra wide monitor. DLSS on Q still around 60 FPS and it looks very good, on B i go to around 70 FPS and it looks like the (old) DLSS. very happy with this update
I guess that new DLSS balanced is old DLSS quality (in terms of resolution which it upscales from)
And new DLSS Quality is kinda "ultra quality" which have XESS and FSR 1.0
no, the internal resolution is the same you can check it with the DLSS hud override. The AI model used for upscaling is completely different now and it's slightly heavier than the old one on most gpus. So it's not upscaling from a higher resolution, it's just doing it better.
I tried DLSS4 in several games. I can tell DLSS4 on performance mod at 4k now looks much better than DLSS 3 on quality mode. new performance mod now looks close to the old DLAA.
Is the HDR in this game finally fixed or should I use Renodx?
Gives me hope for my poor lil 3070 at 1440p
Do you plan to try FF7 Rebirth on older cards? They say it launches on a 980 but not a 1080 lol.
On sites like eBay & such if you can get a RTX 3050 8GB for like $100ish I feel it's very well worth for what you paid. DLSS & FSR are on really high end GPUs is basically only used for higher res (1440 & 4k) but can usually still run decent in full native. A lower end GPU I feel makes better use out of a feature like DLSS and to an extent FSR but FSR tends to have a lower quality image which I find tends not to look great when at 1080. DLSS I feel produces a higher quality image & in most games can look decent when set to 1080 along with even Performance level DLSS. The 3050 8GB when priced right I feel is a good match for 1080p/1200p displays along with "minimal" gaming needs (ex older titles like Anno 1404). For more intense gaming I have another system that I solely remote desktop into using either Parsec or Sunshine/Moonlight. Too bad the 3000 series didn't natively support AV1 otherwise that would have made them perfect for the upcoming generation in streaming tech.
I like it in my 2060, in a 1440x900 monitor, it is more sharp without sharpness injected, more stable and the fps dont fall agressibly, only like 5 fps, in some cases its unestable, but with the improvements in motion i like it
Damn!!!
This is impressive! I say this should be the big news, not $2000 gpu's!
Can you do frame gen on this? The option seems to be there!
Nope, framegen is still RTX 4000+ only.
Does the dlss work on the 2080 series? Im too lazy to download cyberpunk again to test it out.
But if it does, id try playing the game again.
Yes works!
the transformer model is available on the 20 series as well.
Seems to be applicable to all RTX cards with varying results. I assume the more tensor cores the card has, the better it handles the new transformer model.
The only thing we don't get is the 4x frame generation or whatever, im pretty sure anyway. Obviously still need a RTX GPU though.
Can you test it in games which aren't updated yet too by doing it yourself? You should be able to find instructions online, tried to point you that direction already but TH-cam auto modded me.
why doesn't the frame generator activate?
youtube compression makes it look like crap. I've noticed the degradation throughout all of youtube in the last year.
I guess this will help Nvidia to sell those remaining 3050 (even the 6GB version) that gained an awful reputation.
Still wonder if they're planning on releasing a no power connector 5050
wait, dlss 4 works on 30 series? but dlss 3 is 40 series only right?
bruh my 3050 chugs out enough frames to make this game playable. good enough for me.
I wonder if you could get RT Overdrive at over 30fps with DLSS Ultra Performance and have it still look decent thanks to this new model. It does seem quite promising to be honest, and this comes from someone who uses integer scaling on a 39" TV like it's the most normal thing and likes it, literally playing NFS UG2 at 360p with pixels so big you can smell them.
Now I watched the LTT video on the 5090, and there were a whole lot of words. Which even when they explained them, my little brain still didn't understand. But from what little I understood, I thought there was hardware built into the 50 series cards to work. With These new DLSS standards, so is that not the case or is this just a software option? Again didn't understand a lot, so forgive my ignorance.
DLSS 4 is actually a set of things, that is, it includes: Upscaling (the one shown in the video), ray reconstruction, frame generation and multi frame generation.
Upscaling and ray reconstruction are available on all RTX GPUs (so from the 20 to the 50 series).
Frame generation is only available on the 40 and 50 series because it requires specific hardware and more AI cores compared to upscaling for example.
Multi frame generation is only available on the 50 series because it requires specific hardware and more AI cores.
The difference between frame generation and multi frame generation is the number of frames they generate, the normal frame generation does a 2x while the multi frame generation can do a 3x and 4x (be careful, they do not improve the input lag but only the perceived fluidity and already require a bit of fps to give good results, so it makes no sense to use the frame generation with a base of 30fps).
Upscaling as you can see in the video can start from a lower resolution and then bring the image back to the native resolution of the monitor and ray reconstruction let's say that it does a similar thing but with raytracing reflections (if RT is active, otherwise you can't use ray reconstruction at all).
So if you have any 2000 or 3000 series gpu (eg: 2080 or 3070) you can use the new upscaling and the new ray reconstruction. If you have an RTX 4000 such as a 4060 you can use the new upscaling, ray reconstruction and frame generation. If you have a new RTX 5000 such as the 5090 you can use EVERYTHING. This entire package comes under the name of DLSS 4.
What you see in the video is how the performance varies from the old upscaling model to the new one which works in a substantially different way and therefore is heavier on old gpu (but not by much in the end). I hope I was clear enough.
@@emanuelefusco4466 Thank you so much sir, that makes more sense to me. And yes I have a 3070, so I understand what is or is not possible. Honestly it gets pretty confusing, or I'm not smart enough...probably that, thank you very much, and have a wonderful day, evening or morning wherever you are in the world.
@@shadowswithin702 Don't worry, it's not about intelligence; it's just that if you don't stay informed on this topic regularly, it's easy to get overwhelmed by information. Things change quickly. By the way, I'm from Italy, and I also have a 3000 series card, specifically a 3080.
Thanks a lot for the kind words, I have an exam tomorrow 😅.
@@emanuelefusco4466 Hey you got this bro, yea I try to keep up but it seems to get harder each year.
Please compare this DLSS model with rtx4060ti vs rtx3070, with some test using RR and even DLSS balance.
Also 4k, optimised settings with DLSS performance wit or without RT would be nice, depends if Vram is enough.
I don't think I'm going to get any real framerate increases. After Phantom Liberty upped the specs, my 10900k is just not up to speed. In accordance, I'm still using a 3090. I'll never get above a stable 30 fps max settings DLSS and RT with all the npcs. Gotta get a new CPU.
But how would it run on my regular 2060?
please consider doing a test with the 4060 8 gb please, thank you
What's the point then? Last week I started a new playthrough on medium settings on a 2060 6GB and a Ryzen 5 5500 with DLSS Balanced and was getting around 110-85 fps
What's the point of switching from CNN to TM if we lose frames and we have to switch to a grainier balance setting? Isn't it better to just stick to old CNN DLSS-Balanced than to run TM DLSS-Performance?
Wait a sec... did it let you enable Frame Generation? What options were there? It shows Off on your screen, but was there an ability to turn it on? I don't have CP2K7 to check. The 30 series doesn't have FG, did DLSS4 enable FG on a 30 series? No one has said that yet. It's just been speculation for possible future use. AMD didn't even acknowledge that in the interview with DF, they just left the door open to the possibility.
DLSS 4 look pretty in quality mod, after that you start to see some weird things like the CNN in quality (see moving texts, but still decent if you really need it), when i look at that if think it can be nice even with mid/high-end GPU, because if you can play in 4k with pretty much the same framerate as 1440p with nearly the same result as native it's a win/win.
too bad GTX cards aren't compatible.
fyi, it appears that this dlss update might have a lot of stolen code based on how the card is funcitoning and the output. Stealing from XeSS
If Nvidia continues this DLSS feature for previous GPUs will change the market
Does anyone know why changing resolution (1080p-1440p) or Going through low-medium settings doesn’t change my fps at all? I have a 3060ti and a Ryzen 5600x
Ummmmm drivers aren’t out yet tho ??
You don't need the drivers. just download the DLSS4 dll files and replace it with the old ones
@ where
@ just google it and you will find it.
@@varshoee Its an cyberpunk update, you dont need to download anything besides the game update...
Hell fuckin yea!
does anyone know if this works under linux or will the drivers/proton need to be updated?
why playing on pad? cuz camera delay?
Nope keyboard and mouse :)
@@RandomGaminginHD :o
will there be reflex 2.0 on 4000 series gpus?
50 series first, them other RTX gpu's so it's coming later.
@@distrusts but it'll be there? That's most important feature in my opinion
@@distrusts huh? where did you get that information? it will be usable on all rtx cards once games get updated to support it, im not sure if older 1000 series cards will be able to use it though
@@tysopiccaso8711 from nvidia themselves
@@jordaniansniper934 should be
I'll still take CNN model with more sharpening because it gives you more performance.
Comment contrasting this video with other TH-camrs' 5090 reviews
nice
Please do one video on RTX 4060 with DLSS 4 features
Best To Use For Image Quality ( This is how i see )
RTX 50 - DLSS 4 P/UP and x2/x3 FG
RTX 40 - DLSS 4 B/P and x2/no FG
RTX 30 - DLSS 3 Q/B
RTX 20 - DLSS 2 UQ/Q
RTX 10 - FSR/XESS UQ/Q
CNN mode should refer to frame gen; Fake Frames
LTT 5090 review actually had a nice CNN vs. Transformer explainer
"Thank God they're not keeping DLSS Transformer Model for the 50 series" I said while playing with an i5 8250u with intel UHD 620 Graphics 😂
😁
I respectfully disagree. I does not look better imo. Drive out to the badlands. Every single tree and bush keeps popping like a tennis ball and they all have this terrible grain to them. I stayed with the Convolutional Dlss set to Quality at 1440p or 2160p. More than less stable 50-60 fps.
Ah yes I did notice some foliage flicker after running the in game benchmark too
Its really cool to see some new life into those entry-level graphics cards.. but they should rather start giving me real performance for my money and not "AI generated" frames including tearing and stuff. Still pretty impressive what you can do just by generating frames.
Are you kidding.. that is performance. At this point y’all are just dumb
That is whats wrong with open world games, crashing or scratching other vehicles on the road should just result in fines auto deduct from your money and NOT a freaking policeman in motorcycle shooting at you endlessly like you are the most wanted man in the world. Open world games badly needs a reputation system where if it goes down a certain thresh hold due to doing bad stuff you will just be unable to do certain things, should be balanced by doing samaritan like stuff to increase rep.
Those reflections still look like garbage though
that's a cyberpunk thing tbh
50 series seems like a waste of money imo
Yet those morons from CDPR can't implement FSR 3.1. And their implementation of FSR 3.0 is probably the worst I've ever seen.
it looks the same :speaking_head: :fire: :fire: :fire:
Yeah the yt compression probably doesn’t do the footage any favours
@RandomGaminginHD fair, would have to look myself, only problem is having an AMD card lol
@@CrocoDylianVT in transformer model the images actually looks sharper the new dlss balanced is way better then the old one dlss quality or same but better it makes image sharp bla bla
This is what we want to see 5000 series so far is boring af. Maybe next amd gen is more intetrsting.
I'll be keeping my 3050 8GB for a few more years with this one 🗣🔥🔥🔥