There only appears to be more of Jay because of artificial Jason generation. The raw Jay power value uplift is similar, but with reflex on, theres no increase in Jaylatency for having fake Jayframes on
Yeah, but when you touch his jacket, there’s a 50ms delay before you can feel the leather. Is it worth the additional cost to get the leather jacket if it’s laggy and harder to tell?
Well, and even then, good luck until third party ones drop, and then good luck until they restock and the scalpers get bored 😂 It's a farce at this point.
I was worried about your content getting too similar to other channels with all the in depth tests, but then you had a section about the insertion of the cable into the connector and it reminded me why I am subscribed here. Thank you for that scientific demonstration, it was actually quite awesome to see.
@@billiam247 redu the thermal paste and pads on that. look up copper modding too. can drop the temperature of the 3080ti by 20-30 c. that thing is a furnace.
My 4080 will, lol... Im at 3440x1440p... I see a point is "some" games, maybe... Overall im happy to just have 10fps less... My display is 180hz and I dont mind high settings over ultra
it was also a new chip formfactor which enabled that kind of gain which 5090 doesnt have they mostly rely on software and AI improvements with this generation as thats kinda the future when u approach physical limitations of chip manufacturing. its not perfect yet and they still make big changes each gen but AI will at some point the only way u can actually get better performance if the hardware doesnt grow to insane proportions. Also im not sure but the 3090 was still suffering from the covid GPU price craze i think so the 1499 MSRP was very far from the actual price if thats the case.
A 4090 will run damn near every game over 120hz which is the native limit for most gaming and TV displays. So what's the point of upgrading from a 4090 to a 5090, unless you have one of the handful 4k displays that support the new DP2.1 cable? Because all that extra 4k fps means absolute squat if the 4090 can already hit the display fps cap.
There really isnt. It gives more fps in Raytracing and pathtracing but otherwise no there isnt a benefit. Games already run 100> fps without that feature. They added frame gen which is a feature that cant really be used in multiplayer comp. games. Where in adventure games Im happy to run 60 fps and I dont really need frame gen.
Jay, the reason you can't use Elmor's PCIe adapter to measure the power consumption of the PCIe slot is because Nvidia doesn't use a DIRECT PCIe connection to the motherboard with the FE, but because of the fans blowing through the card design, Nvidia already installed a riser cable on the FE card from the factory! Technically speaking, Elmor's adapter is riser no. 2, which is why the signal integrity of PCIe 5.0 is lost because the voltages that are absolutely necessary for PCIE 5.0 drop too much because each plug contact means an additional transition resistance! Switch PCIe back to 4.0 in the BIOS and you will see that Elmor's adapter works again (and also the 5090 FE) because the voltage tolerances under PCIe 4.0 don't have to be so high. Use a different 5090 from a board partner and you will see that Elmor's adapter suddenly works again despite PCIe 5.0. So, as you said in the video, it's not because Elmor's adapter still has PCIe 4.0 and/or is incompatible, but because the voltages required for PCIe 5.0 simply drop too much with 2 adapters. In the future, these types of problems will become more and more common because the technology only uses faster connections, which means that every detour via adapters and extensions represents a hurdle that is not only measurably worse, but will completely disable the function itself. Because it prevents signal integrity. EDIT: OHH and I forgot...If you plan on using the FE with a typical riser cable (even if it says 5.0!) for STANDING installation in a typical fish tank case like the Lian Li O11 Dynamic etc., FORGET THAT, it won't work for the same reason mentioned before! DO NOT buy a 5090 FE for standing installation via a RISER cable! Buy a 5090 Boardpartner card for it! The same applies of course to EVERYONE who uses water cooling and wants to put the 5090 under water...
@@Pro4TLZZ But Steve was already in Rossmann mode for most of the video..........and Paul highlighted a Nvidia Driver issue; which is why we need all the reviews to concentrate on slightly different aspects.
2004 games where know for the perfect image quality yeah. have fun there :) i do remember those times, like the 3 months i had my geforce 256 for close to 500 $ back then when they announced the gf2, great times indeed.
@@504Trey It's not being a Brokie i own 8 properties and i am greatful in life but when people keep throwing their cash the prices gets bigger and bigger and does not meet inflation i imagine your still at school learning the ways of life my friend
"So, I have a disc-less PS5 still in box. I was wondering how much it would be to trade it in for a disc model instead." "I mean, you can trade it in for $50 credit." Real conversation I witnessed in front of me while waiting in line. I watched a man go emotionless and stop responding. Dude suffered a system crash from those words that lasted 7 whole seconds before he recovered, thanked for the info and walked.
An equivalent PC is worth 10x that if you sold it to a pawn-shop... Console-peasants get what they pay for. Reduced functionality in comparison and a pile of ash that used to be your money. Thank goodness stubid people exist, otherwise the console market would have crashed long ago.
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim Jansen (nVidia CEO, who is famous for wearing leather jackets, just like Jay in this video) + Jay parodying him = "Jaysen" if you're not smart enough to figure it out :)
The progression for electronics from the gtx 700 series till now. Reminds me of The 40-year progression for vehicles. Everything seems to be so streamlined now there's really no tinkering anymore.
26:22 - Wow, that A/B testing for audio was great! As an audio nerd, I love that you included that. There's much more low end in the 40 series fan. The 5090 is much closer to pink/white noise. Love it!
I just want to say that you're one of the best tech tubers around. From the days of watching you in a small room doing reviews trying to teach myself how to build computers until now, its awesome to see where your channel is now. Keep doing content i appreciate your videos so much
Constructive criticism (as someone who enjoys the content very much): Chapters in this kind of reviews are very much needed. Also, i find slide transition being very clunky and somewhat confusing to the eyes. Other than that, amazing work!
I’d say more I mean the 4090’s are still being sold at 2.7k to 3.6k currently (unless you go on eBay which is like 2k) and that’s because the 50 series is coming out. Imagine what they’re gonna price the newly released founders editions at. I say between 3k-4k. Shoot when the ps5 dropped they were selling them for like 1.5k 😂
I will wait on a TI version of the 5090. My strix water-cooled 3090TI OC is still solid as a rock and gets pretty close to the 4090 FE. Honestly, if they didn't lock DLSS versions between cards in order to drive up prices, older cards (not that old, 1-2 years) would still benefit drastically which isn't good for their bottom line.
@@pandalayreal bro what are u talking about. They need to accept that they have one of the best cards in the world. Probably the 3 rd or 2nd when the 50 series launch. The 5080 will probably beat the 4090 only thank to new blackwell techs and faster vram, but it will also have less vram so they will be on par. Id say that the ,50 series is more for people that want to upgrade from a 30 series.
1080ti forever at this point! Runs everything just fine with water cooling and over clocking, even the newest games can run at 150 fps with amd frame gen enabled in the settings.
I understand though the 3090 to 4090 80% uplift was because they switched from 8nm to tsmc 4nm (really 5nm). No one currently sells better than that so the 5090 is stuck at tsmc 4nm. It's gonna be at least 2-3 years before 3nm is available. So next gen might be getting the same huge uplift.
@@NetworkNinja84 oh I don't disagree. AI is how Nvidia is compensating for generational increases in chips becoming more difficult. As to the power requirements next gen, it's hard to say. Smaller transistors does mean it's power efficiency will increase but that doesn't mean Nvidia still won't overdo it. That stated there is an upper limit to the wattage increases... the breaker wattage limits in people houses in America is way small than the rest of the world. Nvidia won't risk their biggest market having to rewire their houses past us electrical codes. Plus other items will have to be on the same circuit.
@@NetworkNinja84 lol where do you people that go on about power usage live where you cannot afford to run gpus because of their power? First of all do you think it uses 500watts 24/7? Unless you were mining with a gpu its not going to be using more than 40 to 80 watts max when not gaming or being used for work. Even when gaming its likely not hitting that 500+ watt load and even if it is how long are you gaming for? Back when bulbs were 60watts the lights people left on during the day used way more power than even the 5090 at full load uses.
@@Kirinketsu_ FR. They just like repeating buzzwords on comment sections for attention. They have no actual understanding of how GPU's function outside of "iT plAy GAme!". GPU's have powerstates just like CPU's and actually GPU's are super efficient at idle, so much so that they passively cool. I never see my 3090's fans on when I'm just in the desktop or browsing the web. My total system draw at idle is ~140W that's with a 7950X3D, 3090, 128GB DDR5 6000, 4 NVME drives, and 2 Sata SSDs' with 9 fans and a cpu pump and multiple RGB accessories like mouse, keyboard, mouse dock, mousepad, case lighting..
Jay to Steve: What’s the one thing you want me to stop doing. Steve: Heaven benchmark got to go. 5090 Review: TWO Heaven benchmarks running in the background! 😂
I have enough cash to buy a whole new system with latest parts, but I'm not good at building. In addition, I have 0 trust that my new graphics card won't melt itself when I play some unoptimized slop on it for an hour. All these AI chips and stuff like poorly made ports on 4090s that I've seen plenty of videos about makes upgrading seem like a nightmare.
That the 5090 has 100% of the air exhausted into the case reminds me of the pain points I went through with two 2080 TI FEs, which were the same. In that instance, water cooling worked, but was so much more effort to maintain...as you say, the case can make a difference, and recently switching that configuration to an ASUS ProART case let me run air-cooled 2X 2080 TI FEs at good and consistent low temps--because that case is elaborately-airflow-centrie.
Not gonna lie Jay I REALLY liked how you did this review!! It was way different than your previous reviews and It was awesome! The Jacket was a awesome touch!
Whelp! Anyone who owns a 4090 or 4080 Super might benefit best by waiting for the 6000 series. Performance benefits seems to be more reasonable from 3000 series and below. My interest, however, is in the 5080, I am curious to see how it stacks up against the 7900XT.
this is where i'm at. I'm on a 3070 so i'm seeing how the 5080 and the 7900xt play out. The current MSRP of the 5080 is in my price range but I doubt it won't stay like that.
I'm wondering between 5080 and my XTX as Nvidia now has DP2.1 and I wouldn't have to replace my 1000W PSU. Not upgrading just want to see the difference in performance. One game I would like to try wants ray tracing, but I think 1- I'll see what AMD and Nvidia does in a year (5080Ti or 5090Ti or maybe 9080XTX). Really want something to show off my 57" Samsung!
if you own a 4090 the 5090 really isn't that expensive when you include the 4090's resale price, waiting for next gen means losing a lot of that resale value, skipping gens doesn't really save much
Jay doesn't ask for a thumbs up very often in his videos. Hits that Like button immediately!!! (so much detail and work went into this video, enjoyed it very much!)
i have a 3080 and wanted to upgrade. But then heard that 50 series was gonna be released "soon". 7 months later and now im looking at the price and realizing there is gonna be 400-500 euro extra on top, combined with that i will need to upgrade my psu as well. Meanwhile the lowest priced 4090 is 600 euro more expensive than it was 7 months ago. Hope the 5080 test is more promising.
next gen or the one after that will probably make it worth it. You might want to buy one now, but you’ll regret it. 3nm got delayed so they focused solely on maximizing 4nm and then using AI to its farthest extent we currently can. This is just a “what we can do” type of gpu.
On a 3070ti rn with questionable life span and an upgrade would basically be a whole new build given my cpu and mobo being dated. I think I’ll hold off another 2 years and hope none of my parts brick themselves by then
I think Wendell had the best take on MFG, there should be a way to only split the difference between rendered frames and your displays max refresh giving you as many traditional frames as possible
The game engine generated frames should be the percent lows IMO. The percent lows has always been a metric of how does the game feel to play versus a how fast does it go.
At this point, I'm more looking forward to the 9070 XT reviews, when the cards are actually released. At least those cards should be affordable compared to this. I just hope the performance of those cards are as advertised.
People need to keep in mind, while they're salivating over FPS, that if your monitor is a 120hz or 144hz monitor, it's not going to display anything more than 120fps or 144fps respectively. So don't get all wet about FPS when your monitor is going to limit what you're effectively able to see anyway.
Bro tell me when Arma runs at 140 Fps in 4k or even VR. I made 4090ti sweat with Euro Truck Simulator, just by improving texures and a highly detailed truck. If it can´t handle Cyberpunk at 200 FPS how is it gonna run games that will come out next year?
32.4% raw raster increase versus 27.7% power increase. A little over 4%, however, if you watched the review, the gaming watts was pretty much 500w, not 575. At the end of the day it is still a performance/watt increase.
@ Gamers Nexus has the 5090 slightly lower than the 4090 in perf/watt, so it's on a case by case basis. Last time we saw this lack of generational efficiency uplift was almost 2 decades ago iirc.
@FredSaidIt either way, it is close enough to a wash. This card also has 32GB of GDDR7, which doesn't impact gaming. This card is more than a gaming card, even if people like to say it's not. This also uses the same manufacturing process as the 40 series. A lot of the 30-40 was samsung 8nm to tsmc 4.5nm
I mean, you could get a 9800x3D a good MoBo, some DDR5 RAM, and a 5080 (at $1000) for a total of one (1) 5090 (at $2000) And that would be a better uplift from whatever you have on a 5800x And lets be honest, you will never see this card at $2000
I had a hard enough time spending over $800 for a 7900XTX. My whole rig doesn't cost 2k. I just wish people had enough will power to not purchase a vastly over priced piece of equipment.
The problem is buying a lets say $800 gpu today then one or two years from now a game like black myth comes out and cripples its performance in half because of state of the art technology being used for its graphic design. so now you're forced to either change settings or spend another $800 or so to upgrade if anything new is out by then. I missed the 4090, because i was on a gaming hiatus from 2020-2024, but, the 5090 interests me because its something I can use for such a long time without needing to consider another GPU or worry about being crippled by a new game down the line. Im waiting to see how Dune performs on the 5080 first though.
I think you guys sum it up best in that A. the 5090 is a 4k card B. DLSS4 is the key to the marketed performance we were shown from Nvidia C. Multi Frame Gen is fine for single player games but not for competitive games. Excited to see 5080 and 5070 results.
Bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XT 2 months ago for £620 brand new, sold my 3080. More than happy with it, never going back to Nvidia with their practices. Crazy power for such a low price.
I remember my first pc build. Feb in 2012. I bought a radeon 7970 for $744 (converted from SEK incl tax at 21Feb 2012 exchangerate) It was the most powerful single gpu at that time. $744 in 2012 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $1,022.72 today
Was it? I built a rig with a 680 in 2012 and and an i7-3770k. Still using the same rig, just upgraded to a 1080 and a bit more RAM (DDR3). Can't believe I've been using the same computer for 13 years. It cost me 2000 euros at the time I think, for the next rig I'll probably need double.
i read that also the 3000 series will get frame generation with dlss 4 because it will not rely only on dedicated hardware. it's kind of similar to AMD''s FSR3 which runs on any hardware as long as you got enough power.
That's why i probably in some future will switch to Intel or AMD while they don't get sick with that illness. I always told to people that "You are all squeamish ****eaters, who thinks if game doesn't work in 60+ FPS then this shouldn't exist." And everyone hate me for that. For me if this is not multiplayer(where 45 stable FPS is more than enough, after all it's not e-sport where FPS and ping matters) 30 FPS is enough. And NOW it is better, for me personal, have 30 REAL FPS, than 120+ frame-generated-FPS. + the less FPS you have the more artifacts that frame generation will have. And fun fact we already had some games where devs didn't give a thing about optimization at release, so it was below 60 at ultra settings(as usually everyone like to play). And without DLSS we probably still have such games. And yet everyone still would like to eat some sh... stuff like this for some reason and get happy about it. Sadly. :(
@ChukiTheErmine once latency comes down on the tech it will be great. I don't use dlss or frame gen especially on mp. If they can get the latency closer to native alot of complaints about frame gen will disappear. But I believe it is here to.stay not unless there is some generational leap in hardware that can brute force its way.
All frames are "fake" This is the future on how we can get visual performance increases at the same time as pushing high fps. People act like rasterizing games has always been perfect and it wasnt a generation over generation improvement of how to get clearer images and keeping up performance. We are literally in the second generation of frame gen and IMO its already a completely usable option. And its only going to continue to get better.
Small nitpick: almost every deep learning based model that takes images as input uses convolutional neural networks which is an efficient way to take your images in pixels and encode it into an intermediate state that you can downsample and upsample. All DLSS model should have convolutional neural networks. If some model claims to use transformer, it usually means after running convolutional neural network layers, they use a transformer to augment the connections which may help output more relevant outputs.
So basically a 4090 Ti with a software upgrade that give you fake and high FPS values at the same latency as the native or base framerate while being 25% more expensive than the already expensive 4090. AIB versions will cost even more. LMFAO I think I’ll be more than fine with my 4090.
id be asking you for a loan if you would be upgrading a 4090 already, you would obviously have too much money lol. Not many upgrade even lower tier cards every gen. I do about every 3 gens. went 1060 to 4070.
Nah - you wouldn’t get 32,5% average increase from a Ti version - that’s usually in the vicinity of 5-10%. We’ve just been spoiled by the 3090 and 4090 increase in performance. It’s quite easy to see that Nvidia hit the powerlimit of their connector - which is why 5090 is only running at 21k cuda cores over the potential full 24k cuda cores of this generation.
In my country there are barely any 4090 available on 2nd hand market and regular retailers price is at 2600 euro. If i can get a 5090 from nvidia it would be alot cheaper for me
I’m running an i9-10900K and an RTX 3050 8GB. I’ve been looking at the ASUS Dual 4070 Super OC and was worried about the losses between PCIe gens, this helped me out a lot
So then why do you see a bunch of games running with the card at ces instead of something like MAYA. Looks like they were marketing it as a gaming card.
Yes, but thing is.... These cards have MULTIPLE USES 😱 Been that way for ages. Just more apperant to the layman now with all this talk of AI and such Solid upgrade if you have something a few generations old and / or dying, and part of the highend
Remember when SLI/Crossfire died because it was _apparently_ too difficult to do alternate frame rendering in drivers? So we all had to buy new GPUs? Well anyway 3 in 4 frames are now driver-level AI hallucinations.
The biggest difference between DLSS Frame Gen/multi frame and DLSS Upscaling is, in FGen no matter how good it gets, there's always gonna be an input lag if some sort because you're getting frames that are not coming from your input (at least that's based on what we know how it works. With upscaling on the other hand, if you can make it look like a native resolution or even better that's a 100% free performance as you're not sacrificing anything, bo input lag, or gelly movement feeling, etc.
Good vid, hard part for me is it worth upgrading from the 4090 to it primarily for gaming and editing? seems like most games out today will see a significant uptick in performance
Frame Generation’s real name should be Frame smoothing or something like that. It’s just smoothing things out and the perception is (sometimes) better experience, but that doesn’t mean it’s the true experience of high fps gaming. And also it’s smoother when the base fps is already high vs low. So it’s only worth turning on when you don’t even need it turned on.
I am running a used TUF 3060 with 12 GB of DDR6, which was all I could afford 2 years ago for $400 Cdn. The 3000 and 4000 series brand new are still way above what I can afford, and the 5000 series so far is way beyond a pipe dream for me. It runs good still, and I am running an AM4 mobo with a Ryzen 5 5600G and 32GB of DDR4 3200. My only limitation is my NVME storage at 1 TB Samsung 980 PRO. So, if my machine is a $10,000 machine, I guess I did well. The inflation on hardware and everything else is crazy when you consider an iPhone 14 cost $10 in China to make. Where is the MSRP parity with that? I realize R&D is expensive, but between financial backers and commercial sales, the profits still seem excessive. Love the new testing set-up guys. Keep up the great work and informative content.
Sooo, the fact the 5090 is the only new graphics with better REAL hardware specs than all the other 50s cards. does that mean, when I have a 5070 running my game at same FPS as a 4070 and lets say that is only 30fps, I then turn on DLSS 4 to get 120fps, its still gonna feel like garbage? and wasn't a useful upgrade like everyone think it will be? Like idk how ppl aren't talking about this. So the 5090 is only a 20-30% REAL performance increase from 4090. soo how low are the 5070 and 5080 gonna be compared to their last gen??? maybe a 10% increase? is that really worth it just for a software update?
Where from and how much? I only see refurbished ones on newegg going for $2-5k, and one new one on Amazon for nearly $5k… Maybe you aren’t aware, but they stopped making 4090’s a while back. The only way you will get one at a decent price is if some hardcore gamer is short on buying a 5090 and is looking to dump their very used 4090 to afford it.
17:30 - Regarding this, RT is still a rarely used gimmick even though every game supports it because it still halves your performance. Sure the feature exists, but that doesn't mean its going to be used. Where's the value in something you have that you don't need.
I'm running a 4070 Ti Super and the only card in the lineup that offers any real improvements for me is the 5090. Everything else is very close to a lateral move in performance.
yeah i got a 4070ti super recently going from a 6700xt and was worried id jumped the boat with the 5070 releasing but now im quite comfortable with what i got
From JayzTwoCents to JayzTwoGrands
Savage 😂😂
PhilsTwoHands
JayzEmptyBankAccount
😂
*ヽ༼ ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉ ༽ﾉ*
Jay's jacket uses 35% more material than Jensen's jacket for a fraction of the cost. Truly great value.
Jaytracing offers up to 4x more performance
The difference from a 4080 to a 4090 is the same from a 4090 to a 5090
@@ajax5117😂
There only appears to be more of Jay because of artificial Jason generation.
The raw Jay power value uplift is similar, but with reflex on, theres no increase in Jaylatency for having fake Jayframes on
Yeah, but when you touch his jacket, there’s a 50ms delay before you can feel the leather. Is it worth the additional cost to get the leather jacket if it’s laggy and harder to tell?
Looking healthy Jay. Looks like you've slimmed down a little bit, well done. Hope you are feeling well and everything is going well. Keep it up.
Thats not Jay. Thats American Jensen Huang
@will.5642 Jaysen Huang
The more you skip this generation the more you save !
Until 60 series
Real
Maybe it's now the Nvidia's taking up their own tick-tock model
“The more you don’t (do thing that costs money) the more you (don’t spend money)”
Duh
@@OctagonalSquareis a meme from their showcase ehen they were literally gaslighting us with "the more you buy, the more you save !" Bs
Duh
omg that jacket, hahaha
edit: IS THAT HEAVEN IN THE BACKGROUND? AGAIN?
We do a little trolling - Jayz2cents
That was for you in particular
It's the true benchmark tool for those chasing high FPS on games that came on CD/DVDs!
@@GamersNexus the choice benchmark of intellectuals
That's just the beginning! I'm building my monitor wall of Heaven and putting your name above ir! Like a plaque
You or Phil need to start putting time-stamps on your videos Jay..... just say'n.
Ah yes, the 4090 Ti Super.
Nice to see your alive, play marvel rivals its fun
@@fastboy32 kids game
people would have got a 4090 ti super at 2k. it would have sold out0
@@ghost-rv9vy kids game ≠ bad game
LOL
Why am I watching this anyway? Not like I can afford it.
Well, and even then, good luck until third party ones drop, and then good luck until they restock and the scalpers get bored 😂
It's a farce at this point.
I am just curious about how it compares to my gpu and yep... gonna wait a generation or 2...
I guess it's interesting to see what us mere mortals will get in 5-10 years time 😊
So you can know exactly what other gamers are experiencing. That way you can be jealous
For me, self justification on why I'm happy with my 4090 😂
Selling that T-shirt with the melting cable right at the 5090 launch is diabolical.
I was worried about your content getting too similar to other channels with all the in depth tests, but then you had a section about the insertion of the cable into the connector and it reminded me why I am subscribed here. Thank you for that scientific demonstration, it was actually quite awesome to see.
I dunno... maybe he could bump up the views by getting into some beef with Linus🤣
@@bbqR0ADK1LL Only if Linus or any of his employees start being stupid and dissing Jay for no reason.
3NM is already used in the iPhone 16 models.
@ How is this reply relevant to anything on this thread? my goodness
I cant take Jay seriously in that jacket 😂
I know lol
Better than Jensons gator skin jacket.
i died a little when i saw that money pop up xD
I have pleathery feel but severely cracked Members Only jacket that I were out on dates and when I'm camping at Micro Center for any product launch.
Looks good on him tbf
My 4090 will live happily for a few more years.
My refurbed 3080Ti is doing juuuust fine too.
@@billiam247 redu the thermal paste and pads on that. look up copper modding too. can drop the temperature of the 3080ti by 20-30 c. that thing is a furnace.
Mine also.
My 4080 will, lol... Im at 3440x1440p... I see a point is "some" games, maybe... Overall im happy to just have 10fps less... My display is 180hz and I dont mind high settings over ultra
@@GregoryShtevensh kinda where im at. but I have a 3950x so idk if its worth it for me to go 40 series; thinking 3090 and start saving for future
Love the Jayzen Huang style :D
Same 😂
How nice of Jensen to do this review for Jay's channel.
Yep and the cosplay is off the hook! ☕
3090 MSRP was $1499, 4090 was $100 more. But even with that price difference the % gain was miles ahead of what we're seeing this gen.
But today 4090 costs 2300€😅 with tax
it was also a new chip formfactor which enabled that kind of gain which 5090 doesnt have they mostly rely on software and AI improvements with this generation as thats kinda the future when u approach physical limitations of chip manufacturing.
its not perfect yet and they still make big changes each gen but AI will at some point the only way u can actually get better performance if the hardware doesnt grow to insane proportions.
Also im not sure but the 3090 was still suffering from the covid GPU price craze i think so the 1499 MSRP was very far from the actual price if thats the case.
you can't find the 4090 anywhere near msrp today though
And you certainly won't find the 5090 at msrp lol
90 series isnt for gamers. remember?
Few watts away from a microwave
Nvidia should include a tray option for the backplate so i can grill my steak while gaming
@@Daisudori I'd be grilling hot dogs if I bought a 5090.
@@odahithedubiousNo you don’t. Got to treat yourself better with one kidney.
Just remove your intake fans. Make an Air Fryer in your case
It‘s already exceed my microwave, 500 watt…..
A 4090 will run damn near every game over 120hz which is the native limit for most gaming and TV displays. So what's the point of upgrading from a 4090 to a 5090, unless you have one of the handful 4k displays that support the new DP2.1 cable? Because all that extra 4k fps means absolute squat if the 4090 can already hit the display fps cap.
People that buy 4090 aren’t using a 120hz monitor lmao. At the very least most folks are using a 1440p 240hz as a baseline. Others using 4K.
@@Strafings I have two 4090's both on 4k 120hz oled displays. FWIW
There really isnt. It gives more fps in Raytracing and pathtracing but otherwise no there isnt a benefit. Games already run 100> fps without that feature.
They added frame gen which is a feature that cant really be used in multiplayer comp. games. Where in adventure games Im happy to run 60 fps and I dont really need frame gen.
VR mainly
@@asadianbelifont3875 yeah totally forgot VR
Jay, the reason you can't use Elmor's PCIe adapter to measure the power consumption of the PCIe slot is because Nvidia doesn't use a DIRECT PCIe connection to the motherboard with the FE, but because of the fans blowing through the card design, Nvidia already installed a riser cable on the FE card from the factory! Technically speaking, Elmor's adapter is riser no. 2, which is why the signal integrity of PCIe 5.0 is lost because the voltages that are absolutely necessary for PCIE 5.0 drop too much because each plug contact means an additional transition resistance! Switch PCIe back to 4.0 in the BIOS and you will see that Elmor's adapter works again (and also the 5090 FE) because the voltage tolerances under PCIe 4.0 don't have to be so high.
Use a different 5090 from a board partner and you will see that Elmor's adapter suddenly works again despite PCIe 5.0. So, as you said in the video, it's not because Elmor's adapter still has PCIe 4.0 and/or is incompatible, but because the voltages required for PCIe 5.0 simply drop too much with 2 adapters.
In the future, these types of problems will become more and more common because the technology only uses faster connections, which means that every detour via adapters and extensions represents a hurdle that is not only measurably worse, but will completely disable the function itself. Because it prevents signal integrity.
EDIT: OHH and I forgot...If you plan on using the FE with a typical riser cable (even if it says 5.0!) for STANDING installation in a typical fish tank case like the Lian Li O11 Dynamic etc., FORGET THAT, it won't work for the same reason mentioned before! DO NOT buy a 5090 FE for standing installation via a RISER cable! Buy a 5090 Boardpartner card for it! The same applies of course to EVERYONE who uses water cooling and wants to put the 5090 under water...
oh this info is absolutely crucial and Nvidia say nothing about !!!
This seems important….
I built up a PC for this and went with the Y70 case. Am I screwed?
Steve should have mentioned this in the GN review given they were able to figure it out.
@@Pro4TLZZ But Steve was already in Rossmann mode for most of the video..........and Paul highlighted a Nvidia Driver issue; which is why we need all the reviews to concentrate on slightly different aspects.
I'm going back to 2004 guys fed up with this BS prices
And warn Intel and AMD their mistakes if you go back to the past.
2004 games where know for the perfect image quality yeah. have fun there :)
i do remember those times, like the 3 months i had my geforce 256 for close to 500 $ back then when they announced the gf2, great times indeed.
Bye brokie
@@504Trey It's not being a Brokie i own 8 properties and i am greatful in life but when people keep throwing their cash the prices gets bigger and bigger and does not meet inflation i imagine your still at school learning the ways of life my friend
@Dean-Bites
U only own 8 properties? 🤔 u can't be no older than 25 💀
Ahh the quote of this episode is this: "that scientific test has now been demonstrated." with Phil about DYING in the background.. noice
Gamestop
"Best i can give you is £75"
"So, I have a disc-less PS5 still in box. I was wondering how much it would be to trade it in for a disc model instead."
"I mean, you can trade it in for $50 credit."
Real conversation I witnessed in front of me while waiting in line. I watched a man go emotionless and stop responding. Dude suffered a system crash from those words that lasted 7 whole seconds before he recovered, thanked for the info and walked.
😂😂😂😂😂
An equivalent PC is worth 10x that if you sold it to a pawn-shop... Console-peasants get what they pay for. Reduced functionality in comparison and a pile of ash that used to be your money. Thank goodness stubid people exist, otherwise the console market would have crashed long ago.
Jaysen in that jacket makes it that much better.
"Jaysen"? Jason.
@ the ceo of invidia…..Jensen…..jesus touch grass
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim Jansen (nVidia CEO, who is famous for wearing leather jackets, just like Jay in this video) + Jay parodying him = "Jaysen" if you're not smart enough to figure it out :)
@@MrMarrok657 Why would jesus touch grass?
@@oliversmith2129 cause hes a hippy
The progression for electronics from the gtx 700 series till now. Reminds me of The 40-year progression for vehicles. Everything seems to be so streamlined now there's really no tinkering anymore.
26:22 - Wow, that A/B testing for audio was great! As an audio nerd, I love that you included that. There's much more low end in the 40 series fan. The 5090 is much closer to pink/white noise. Love it!
Can you explain that a bit in Layman language for us please
The 4090 goes BRRRRRR and the 5090 goes WOOOOSH.
@ 🤣
F getting a new gpu, I’m just gonna add a turbo to my car this year instead.
This is de wey
Good call. Just finished building my 9th Gen SI built transmission and turbo. Now to finish my NSX build
Here you can get a whole car for that price...
Money well spent 👍🔥
Oh already have two😂 so i have to bite in the sour 🍏
I just want to say that you're one of the best tech tubers around. From the days of watching you in a small room doing reviews trying to teach myself how to build computers until now, its awesome to see where your channel is now. Keep doing content i appreciate your videos so much
Constructive criticism (as someone who enjoys the content very much): Chapters in this kind of reviews are very much needed. Also, i find slide transition being very clunky and somewhat confusing to the eyes.
Other than that, amazing work!
This particular slide transitions did mess with my eyes and made it hard to watch what was great content. Love the channel.
E, aj ne seri.
No, it reduces retention rates which means less people see the content.
Yea Jay, I think when the 5090 hits retail stores you will see that $1999 price disappear and go as high as $3000 or more to actually buy one.
Don’t buy one
Best buy sells the FE at msrp only .
AIB sell the their version at whatever they want.
@@rkwjunior2298you ain’t getting one a Best Buy son.
I’d say more I mean the 4090’s are still being sold at 2.7k to 3.6k currently (unless you go on eBay which is like 2k) and that’s because the 50 series is coming out. Imagine what they’re gonna price the newly released founders editions at. I say between 3k-4k. Shoot when the ps5 dropped they were selling them for like 1.5k 😂
Given production applications and low quantity...💯
I will wait on a TI version of the 5090. My strix water-cooled 3090TI OC is still solid as a rock and gets pretty close to the 4090 FE. Honestly, if they didn't lock DLSS versions between cards in order to drive up prices, older cards (not that old, 1-2 years) would still benefit drastically which isn't good for their bottom line.
The RTX5090 is basically a Ti version of the RTX4090!
5090 selling on ebay 9000$, an empty picture frame with 5090 sold for 2000$
Is Heaven roling on in the background just to troll Steve after the GN video a few weeks back? 😂
"Something's missing..."
No. Heaven's running in the background, so you're good.
What's coming out next? The nVidia card. The power to purchase the green you don't have. nVidia Visa. What's in your PC?
THANK YOU for showing 4K Raytracing WITHOUT any scaling!!!!!!!!!!
My 4090 will live happily for another couple years
Mine too. Especially if the 4090 beats the 5080.
Oh have you guys been having a hard time gaming with your 4090s or something
Only if you accept being slow on 2nd place.
@@Chunnibyoubakanope it work perfectly
@@pandalayreal bro what are u talking about. They need to accept that they have one of the best cards in the world. Probably the 3 rd or 2nd when the 50 series launch. The 5080 will probably beat the 4090 only thank to new blackwell techs and faster vram, but it will also have less vram so they will be on par. Id say that the ,50 series is more for people that want to upgrade from a 30 series.
1080ti forever at this point! Runs everything just fine with water cooling and over clocking, even the newest games can run at 150 fps with amd frame gen enabled in the settings.
I understand though the 3090 to 4090 80% uplift was because they switched from 8nm to tsmc 4nm (really 5nm). No one currently sells better than that so the 5090 is stuck at tsmc 4nm.
It's gonna be at least 2-3 years before 3nm is available. So next gen might be getting the same huge uplift.
Still a dud with all that power usage though. It’s just that it’s focused more on Ai than anything.
@@NetworkNinja84 oh I don't disagree. AI is how Nvidia is compensating for generational increases in chips becoming more difficult.
As to the power requirements next gen, it's hard to say. Smaller transistors does mean it's power efficiency will increase but that doesn't mean Nvidia still won't overdo it.
That stated there is an upper limit to the wattage increases... the breaker wattage limits in people houses in America is way small than the rest of the world. Nvidia won't risk their biggest market having to rewire their houses past us electrical codes. Plus other items will have to be on the same circuit.
@@NetworkNinja84 lol where do you people that go on about power usage live where you cannot afford to run gpus because of their power? First of all do you think it uses 500watts 24/7?
Unless you were mining with a gpu its not going to be using more than 40 to 80 watts max when not gaming or being used for work. Even when gaming its likely not hitting that 500+ watt load and even if it is how long are you gaming for?
Back when bulbs were 60watts the lights people left on during the day used way more power than even the 5090 at full load uses.
@@Kirinketsu_ FR. They just like repeating buzzwords on comment sections for attention. They have no actual understanding of how GPU's function outside of "iT plAy GAme!". GPU's have powerstates just like CPU's and actually GPU's are super efficient at idle, so much so that they passively cool. I never see my 3090's fans on when I'm just in the desktop or browsing the web. My total system draw at idle is ~140W that's with a 7950X3D, 3090, 128GB DDR5 6000, 4 NVME drives, and 2 Sata SSDs' with 9 fans and a cpu pump and multiple RGB accessories like mouse, keyboard, mouse dock, mousepad, case lighting..
@@Kirinketsu_ people just feel smart when they're critical
Jay to Steve: What’s the one thing you want me to stop doing.
Steve: Heaven benchmark got to go.
5090 Review: TWO Heaven benchmarks running in the background! 😂
Now i know why this video is bugging me, its got "steve" all over it, I prefer jays way of testing
@ It was Jay who asked Steve for advice on how to make better reviews. So I guess Jay wanted to do reviews closer to how GN does reviews.
@ I get that. And I understand he wants to make better reviews. IMO the previous way was better.
It's the way he is presenting the information that feels foreign to me. I like the testing, it he is presenting like Steve now
@@edms3656 you're entitled to your wrong opinion
Thanks for putting so much time into this video!!
me watching this video with my 1080 and 6700k as if Im going to upgrade to a 5090, lol
Get a RX 7900 or 4070 Super used. Enormous upgrade from a 1080.
Same brother, just don't know if I am ever going to upgrade, I only play souls games, for me I don't like or want to play any new games
I have enough cash to buy a whole new system with latest parts, but I'm not good at building. In addition, I have 0 trust that my new graphics card won't melt itself when I play some unoptimized slop on it for an hour. All these AI chips and stuff like poorly made ports on 4090s that I've seen plenty of videos about makes upgrading seem like a nightmare.
@@brianluisi7616run GTX 1080 SLI...back log of games a mile long. It runs them all on high settings. Will most likely never upgrade either.
Same dude. On a 1080Ti, may finally upgrade - to 5080. Not like anyone cares to review it
That the 5090 has 100% of the air exhausted into the case reminds me of the pain points I went through with two 2080 TI FEs, which were the same. In that instance, water cooling worked, but was so much more effort to maintain...as you say, the case can make a difference, and recently switching that configuration to an ASUS ProART case let me run air-cooled 2X 2080 TI FEs at good and consistent low temps--because that case is elaborately-airflow-centrie.
100% air exhausted into the case...that is a nightmare.
Not gonna lie Jay I REALLY liked how you did this review!! It was way different than your previous reviews and It was awesome! The Jacket was a awesome touch!
Agreed, I love the format and overall content presentation. This is why Jay and team are top tier. 👍🏼
Here in central Europe, some shops already listed few models, and prices starts around 3000 euro, so 1999$ sound like dream.
Same in the Balkans
You also have to remember that in the states, the price is without VAT.
Excellent! Thank you for not filling the whole video with slides!
Don't buy their GPUs, buy their shares...
Yeah bought their stock back in 2023q4 and stock went up to almost 3x(bought for USD495for 1 share) and I rather buy their stocks now lool
At the top of the S&P bull after it just broke below it's first key resistance line? I mean sure, throw away your money if you want.
@@headbangerdnb It will go higher eventually. Nvidia has zero competition so unless you plan on dying soon you will gain eventually.
Too late
Wouldn't buy now. As soon as the AI market crushes, their share will be in decline.
Whelp! Anyone who owns a 4090 or 4080 Super might benefit best by waiting for the 6000 series. Performance benefits seems to be more reasonable from 3000 series and below. My interest, however, is in the 5080, I am curious to see how it stacks up against the 7900XT.
this is where i'm at. I'm on a 3070 so i'm seeing how the 5080 and the 7900xt play out. The current MSRP of the 5080 is in my price range but I doubt it won't stay like that.
@@MVersusPI have a 3070 as well. So same boat.
Agreed my 4080S gets the job done well check again around 60 series
I'm wondering between 5080 and my XTX as Nvidia now has DP2.1 and I wouldn't have to replace my 1000W PSU. Not upgrading just want to see the difference in performance. One game I would like to try wants ray tracing, but I think 1- I'll see what AMD and Nvidia does in a year (5080Ti or 5090Ti or maybe 9080XTX). Really want something to show off my 57" Samsung!
if you own a 4090 the 5090 really isn't that expensive when you include the 4090's resale price, waiting for next gen means losing a lot of that resale value, skipping gens doesn't really save much
@Jay in your opinion, would it be worth upgrading from a 3080TI to a 5080 ? or 5090 ?
$ 2K for 5090 Fake Power against real raw Power of 3090 at $699 🤔 which ones?
Jay doesn't ask for a thumbs up very often in his videos. Hits that Like button immediately!!! (so much detail and work went into this video, enjoyed it very much!)
i have a 3080 and wanted to upgrade. But then heard that 50 series was gonna be released "soon". 7 months later and now im looking at the price and realizing there is gonna be 400-500 euro extra on top, combined with that i will need to upgrade my psu as well. Meanwhile the lowest priced 4090 is 600 euro more expensive than it was 7 months ago. Hope the 5080 test is more promising.
Same situation but 3080ti. Has served me well for 1440p gaming. But this is making me reconsider for 4070sti or 4080super
Sorry to say but going by the specs the 5080 will be a marginal increase over the 4080, like 10-15% at best. I’d buy a 4080s if you can find near msrp
next gen or the one after that will probably make it worth it. You might want to buy one now, but you’ll regret it. 3nm got delayed so they focused solely on maximizing 4nm and then using AI to its farthest extent we currently can. This is just a “what we can do” type of gpu.
On a 3070ti rn with questionable life span and an upgrade would basically be a whole new build given my cpu and mobo being dated. I think I’ll hold off another 2 years and hope none of my parts brick themselves by then
Every 50 series card is gonna be awful, only the 5090 has more cores and higher bandwidth than its previous counterpart.
I think Wendell had the best take on MFG, there should be a way to only split the difference between rendered frames and your displays max refresh giving you as many traditional frames as possible
Yep sage Wendell
The game engine generated frames should be the percent lows IMO. The percent lows has always been a metric of how does the game feel to play versus a how fast does it go.
Still don't look as sleezy with that jacket as Jensen, have you tried dodging taxes yet?
Why are you pro-tax? Where do you think that money goes? Better yet, what would you do in his position?
Dodge taxes and do your own philanthropy
Dodging taxes is a obligation with a corrupt goverment
@@heatnup spotted the hippy
@@thenextlevel123 nah brah. You ain't winning here with supporting taxes
looking good Jay! Its been a while since I've watched the channel. Nice to see you looking well.
At this point, I'm more looking forward to the 9070 XT reviews, when the cards are actually released. At least those cards should be affordable compared to this. I just hope the performance of those cards are as advertised.
35:14 - 35:40 this is why im subscribed to this channel
People need to keep in mind, while they're salivating over FPS, that if your monitor is a 120hz or 144hz monitor, it's not going to display anything more than 120fps or 144fps respectively. So don't get all wet about FPS when your monitor is going to limit what you're effectively able to see anyway.
Being able to max out your monitor whether it’s 120 or 500Hz is good. I would kill for a locked 144Hz while gaming
Bro tell me when Arma runs at 140 Fps in 4k or even VR. I made 4090ti sweat with Euro Truck Simulator, just by improving texures and a highly detailed truck. If it can´t handle Cyberpunk at 200 FPS how is it gonna run games that will come out next year?
32.4% uplift in raw raster. About the same power draw increase. So performance per watt is the real measure here rather than performance per dollar.
For sure, that’s disappointing. But don’t diminish the amazing engineering of the card being 33% smaller while pulling that off.
@@chekote yeah, thats the part that I haven't heard anyone talking about, being about 1/3 smaller and getting 1/3 more performance is insane!!
32.4% raw raster increase versus 27.7% power increase. A little over 4%, however, if you watched the review, the gaming watts was pretty much 500w, not 575.
At the end of the day it is still a performance/watt increase.
@ Gamers Nexus has the 5090 slightly lower than the 4090 in perf/watt, so it's on a case by case basis. Last time we saw this lack of generational efficiency uplift was almost 2 decades ago iirc.
@FredSaidIt either way, it is close enough to a wash. This card also has 32GB of GDDR7, which doesn't impact gaming. This card is more than a gaming card, even if people like to say it's not.
This also uses the same manufacturing process as the 40 series. A lot of the 30-40 was samsung 8nm to tsmc 4.5nm
RTX 5090! Now with BLOODLETTING!
The transformer AI is trying to find a route to his (No, it's!) kidney, one prick at a time
Jayz's Jensen like jacket should be mandatory in every nvidia product review!
4K improvements are more than expected, I'm gonna rock it with my 5800x hahaha
You gonna be cpu bound at 4k even with a 5800x
@WayStedYou I'd like to find that out 😂 could be fun
🔥
I mean, you could get a 9800x3D a good MoBo, some DDR5 RAM, and a 5080 (at $1000) for a total of one (1) 5090 (at $2000)
And that would be a better uplift from whatever you have on a 5800x
And lets be honest, you will never see this card at $2000
@@KaHzAdaNe I play in 4K, no upgrade has been super worth it for my CPU (it's solely a gaming machine)
Now I need a 240hz 83" LG OLED TV, mine's only 120hz. Need to justify that 5090!!!!
Just picked up a 32” QD-OLED 240Hz 4K monitor. Best upgrade I’ve ever made. But I also have an 83” 120Hz OLED that’s no slouch either. lol
I use G4 & 4090, its magnificent
@@kleinbird36 which monitor
@@kleinbird36nobody cares
@ ASUS ROG Swift PG32UCDM
That intro deserves 100 likes from me. Nice Jay.
*I laughed hard on "tightness test" part LOL*
I had a hard enough time spending over $800 for a 7900XTX. My whole rig doesn't cost 2k. I just wish people had enough will power to not purchase a vastly over priced piece of equipment.
The problem is buying a lets say $800 gpu today then one or two years from now a game like black myth comes out and cripples its performance in half because of state of the art technology being used for its graphic design. so now you're forced to either change settings or spend another $800 or so to upgrade if anything new is out by then. I missed the 4090, because i was on a gaming hiatus from 2020-2024, but, the 5090 interests me because its something I can use for such a long time without needing to consider another GPU or worry about being crippled by a new game down the line. Im waiting to see how Dune performs on the 5080 first though.
why do u care abt how spend their own money lol
@@TheUnknownWarrior how do you derive that from.what he said?
No man has ever complained about the "female end" being tighter!!! Great Vid! Looking forward to more. 😜
I think you guys sum it up best in that A. the 5090 is a 4k card B. DLSS4 is the key to the marketed performance we were shown from Nvidia C. Multi Frame Gen is fine for single player games but not for competitive games. Excited to see 5080 and 5070 results.
Bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XT 2 months ago for £620 brand new, sold my 3080. More than happy with it, never going back to Nvidia with their practices. Crazy power for such a low price.
I did the same but a sapphire nitro 7900xtx. Love it.
Nice would of loved that despite i do like my 7800xt @RevealingRazor
Sapphire Nitros are some well made cards too, somewhat fills the hole left by EVGA for me.
@jskop566 yeah ive had a sapphire before superb cards
@@jskop566 my last card was an EVGA 3080. I still have it sitting in a box. Can't bring myself to sell it.
He really puts it into perspective by having 15 100 dollar bills around and no...that still won't be enough.
Good show love your work!!!!!
I remember my first pc build. Feb in 2012. I bought a radeon 7970 for $744 (converted from SEK incl tax at 21Feb 2012 exchangerate) It was the most powerful single gpu at that time.
$744 in 2012 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $1,022.72 today
Was it? I built a rig with a 680 in 2012 and and an i7-3770k. Still using the same rig, just upgraded to a 1080 and a bit more RAM (DDR3). Can't believe I've been using the same computer for 13 years. It cost me 2000 euros at the time I think, for the next rig I'll probably need double.
@GenuisInvictus gtx680 was unveiled march 22 2012, so when i bought my 7970 in early february it was the fastest single gpu on the market ;)
4:05 gives "bleeding edge technology" a new meaning 😅
i read that also the 3000 series will get frame generation with dlss 4 because it will not rely only on dedicated hardware. it's kind of similar to AMD''s FSR3 which runs on any hardware as long as you got enough power.
200 FPS with 4x frame generation -> Still feels like 60fps with latency...I dunno man..sounds pretty bad
That's why i probably in some future will switch to Intel or AMD while they don't get sick with that illness. I always told to people that "You are all squeamish ****eaters, who thinks if game doesn't work in 60+ FPS then this shouldn't exist." And everyone hate me for that.
For me if this is not multiplayer(where 45 stable FPS is more than enough, after all it's not e-sport where FPS and ping matters) 30 FPS is enough. And NOW it is better, for me personal, have 30 REAL FPS, than 120+ frame-generated-FPS. + the less FPS you have the more artifacts that frame generation will have. And fun fact we already had some games where devs didn't give a thing about optimization at release, so it was below 60 at ultra settings(as usually everyone like to play). And without DLSS we probably still have such games.
And yet everyone still would like to eat some sh... stuff like this for some reason and get happy about it. Sadly. :(
@@ChukiTheErmine FSR4.0 is around the corner, expecting multgen on that as well. It's just the way the industry is going.
@ChukiTheErmine once latency comes down on the tech it will be great. I don't use dlss or frame gen especially on mp. If they can get the latency closer to native alot of complaints about frame gen will disappear. But I believe it is here to.stay not unless there is some generational leap in hardware that can brute force its way.
@@def-po8tuwhy not use reflex 2 on normal frame generation rather than multi frame. Which will decrease latency significantly.
@@om9959 in most games I'm getting 130-150fps native. So I don't really see a need unless my preformance dips before 100fps
Still happy with my 3080 and zero fake frames.
it does use dlss tho? or are you not even using that? then damn xD
1070 is still the best.
Zero issues. 7 years old usage.
@@ZinoAmareThe 3080 does use dlss. I've done it. He's using fake frames on his 1080p 60hz garbage...lol
All frames are "fake"
This is the future on how we can get visual performance increases at the same time as pushing high fps.
People act like rasterizing games has always been perfect and it wasnt a generation over generation improvement of how to get clearer images and keeping up performance.
We are literally in the second generation of frame gen and IMO its already a completely usable option.
And its only going to continue to get better.
@@Ducc1x 'all frames are fake' - just no.
Small nitpick: almost every deep learning based model that takes images as input uses convolutional neural networks which is an efficient way to take your images in pixels and encode it into an intermediate state that you can downsample and upsample. All DLSS model should have convolutional neural networks. If some model claims to use transformer, it usually means after running convolutional neural network layers, they use a transformer to augment the connections which may help output more relevant outputs.
In English for the uninitiated please 😂. But yeah, I kind of understood what you just said.
So basically a 4090 Ti with a software upgrade that give you fake and high FPS values at the same latency as the native or base framerate while being 25% more expensive than the already expensive 4090. AIB versions will cost even more. LMFAO I think I’ll be more than fine with my 4090.
id be asking you for a loan if you would be upgrading a 4090 already, you would obviously have too much money lol. Not many upgrade even lower tier cards every gen. I do about every 3 gens. went 1060 to 4070.
Bit of envy there lol
Work harder
Translation: I went into credit card debt to get my 4090 so now I’m coping hard
Nah - you wouldn’t get 32,5% average increase from a Ti version - that’s usually in the vicinity of 5-10%. We’ve just been spoiled by the 3090 and 4090 increase in performance. It’s quite easy to see that Nvidia hit the powerlimit of their connector - which is why 5090 is only running at 21k cuda cores over the potential full 24k cuda cores of this generation.
is there a performance difference when running a 5090 in a pcie 3.0 slot vs pcie 5.0 slot?
There would be yes, gen 4 to gen 5 not so much but current gpu's are saturating gen 4, gen 3 would be unpleasant.
Loving this new format for reviews, it gives us more data but still entertaining to watch!
4090 is more then enough for EVERYTHING, im not sure why you need a 5090 other then for simulation and other applications like rendering.
It's why I'm getting one, wish Jay would do some render benchmarks in Cycles, Octane, iRay etc
In my country there are barely any 4090 available on 2nd hand market and regular retailers price is at 2600 euro. If i can get a 5090 from nvidia it would be alot cheaper for me
4090s aren't exactly super available right now, Nvidia stopped production on them months ago.
Its not. I struggle to get more than 60 FPS on medium settings on my racing setup.
Anything from the 30 series/ rx 6000 series and above is genuinely good enough for the majority of people anyway
Jensen: The more you buy GPUs the more FPS you'll get in your favorite games!
I’m running an i9-10900K and an RTX 3050 8GB. I’ve been looking at the ASUS Dual 4070 Super OC and was worried about the losses between PCIe gens, this helped me out a lot
"My Jensun is hitting everything"
'Proceeds to hit the mic'
5090 full house heater embargo is lifted
I'm glad you're still showing Heaven in the background Jay, great dedication!
I really appreciate how direct, up front and honest you are in your reviews. Very accurate and thorough.
12:39 Yes please, because fake frames are not real performance.
This is not gaming card,this is Ai learning/3D renderer
So then why do you see a bunch of games running with the card at ces instead of something like MAYA. Looks like they were marketing it as a gaming card.
Yes, but thing is....
These cards have MULTIPLE USES 😱
Been that way for ages. Just more apperant to the layman now with all this talk of AI and such
Solid upgrade if you have something a few generations old and / or dying, and part of the highend
Jensen thinks us gamers are stooped and would drop cash on this crap. He is build his empire on our backs.
@@secondimpact7836 there are lots of rich gamers who are buying this day 1
Remember when SLI/Crossfire died because it was _apparently_ too difficult to do alternate frame rendering in drivers? So we all had to buy new GPUs?
Well anyway 3 in 4 frames are now driver-level AI hallucinations.
It's bleeding edge technology... Makes your wallet bleed too.
4:05 it literally made him bleed 😂 I got to say this is a new one 😅
Not enough money? The 5090 demands blood. (Might come from a cursed sword alloy).
A100: I drink directly from the blood bank.
and my kidney too
The biggest difference between DLSS Frame Gen/multi frame and DLSS Upscaling is, in FGen no matter how good it gets, there's always gonna be an input lag if some sort because you're getting frames that are not coming from your input (at least that's based on what we know how it works. With upscaling on the other hand, if you can make it look like a native resolution or even better that's a 100% free performance as you're not sacrificing anything, bo input lag, or gelly movement feeling, etc.
It kinda felt like they upgraded the ai stuff and tagged it as gpu upgrade lol
SLI wasn’t discontinued, they just internalized the SLI in a single card.
SLI 5090s would max out 110v outlets
SLI on one card was done in the past. It was 2 separate gpus and memory configs on one PCB. This is not
😢
@@TopShot501st Some times I forget America has really low V outlets (230v or 240v@50hz here)
@@notwhatitwasbefore we have 240v in homes but exclusively used for Car charging and washer/dryer units. Not normal wall outlets.
Good vid, hard part for me is it worth upgrading from the 4090 to it primarily for gaming and editing? seems like most games out today will see a significant uptick in performance
I am glad you talked about who actually can use this card. I was just talking about that this friday during gamenight.
Frame Generation’s real name should be Frame smoothing or something like that. It’s just smoothing things out and the perception is (sometimes) better experience, but that doesn’t mean it’s the true experience of high fps gaming. And also it’s smoother when the base fps is already high vs low. So it’s only worth turning on when you don’t even need it turned on.
I am running a used TUF 3060 with 12 GB of DDR6, which was all I could afford 2 years ago for $400 Cdn. The 3000 and 4000 series brand new are still way above what I can afford, and the 5000 series so far is way beyond a pipe dream for me. It runs good still, and I am running an AM4 mobo with a Ryzen 5 5600G and 32GB of DDR4 3200. My only limitation is my NVME storage at 1 TB Samsung 980 PRO. So, if my machine is a $10,000 machine, I guess I did well. The inflation on hardware and everything else is crazy when you consider an iPhone 14 cost $10 in China to make. Where is the MSRP parity with that? I realize R&D is expensive, but between financial backers and commercial sales, the profits still seem excessive. Love the new testing set-up guys. Keep up the great work and informative content.
Sooo, the fact the 5090 is the only new graphics with better REAL hardware specs than all the other 50s cards. does that mean, when I have a 5070 running my game at same FPS as a 4070 and lets say that is only 30fps, I then turn on DLSS 4 to get 120fps, its still gonna feel like garbage? and wasn't a useful upgrade like everyone think it will be? Like idk how ppl aren't talking about this. So the 5090 is only a 20-30% REAL performance increase from 4090. soo how low are the 5070 and 5080 gonna be compared to their last gen??? maybe a 10% increase? is that really worth it just for a software update?
You are correct
exactly
Ill save my money and buy a 4090 .
Where from and how much? I only see refurbished ones on newegg going for $2-5k, and one new one on Amazon for nearly $5k…
Maybe you aren’t aware, but they stopped making 4090’s a while back. The only way you will get one at a decent price is if some hardcore gamer is short on buying a 5090 and is looking to dump their very used 4090 to afford it.
@@thepooz7205 Shhh! Let him do it haha. Go ahead buddy buy a 4090! It's much cheaper and more powerful than 5090!
17:30 - Regarding this, RT is still a rarely used gimmick even though every game supports it because it still halves your performance. Sure the feature exists, but that doesn't mean its going to be used. Where's the value in something you have that you don't need.
Looking at the raw performance plus of the 5070ti, which is apparently around 20%~, i see zero reason to replace my 4070ti. See you in 2027, Nvidia.
I wonder where it'll sit. Probably no use upgrading my 3070 either...
My 2080 RTX is still going good...
I recommend waiting till 2029 to see a real jump
I'm running a 4070 Ti Super and the only card in the lineup that offers any real improvements for me is the 5090. Everything else is very close to a lateral move in performance.
yeah i got a 4070ti super recently going from a 6700xt and was worried id jumped the boat with the 5070 releasing but now im quite comfortable with what i got
The leather jacket is hilarious