Agreed, disagreeing with him really shows privilege. Imaging having to constantly prove you're not sub-human because you're different. "That's not the way to go about it" is like trying to say he shouldn't have a voice, all he did was give his (factual) opinion it's not like he did anything radical.
Magneto didn't manipulate Rogue! He just Showed her his view of earth! He often says : If you are a Mutant, then choose for yourself! And everybody has to Accept that: Magneto was right!
Thank you! I find it funny I only see that claim from Gambit fans. Magneto even said he was surprised she visited him in ep 2 thinking she was done with him. How is that manipulative!?
9:49 Yeah...I was FLOORED that they did this plotline. The Mutant Massacre is one of the worst moments in X-Men history & they didn't baulk at the horror that happened. While not graphic, it lets you see the desperation & hopelessness everyone felt in that moment.
I was 6yrs old when X-Men TAS first aired in '92, I've read the comics my whole life, I learned how to read thru X-men comics, I've seen all the movies, etc. Let me tell you... Get ready for the best X-men adaptation ever created. X-Men '97 >>> EVERYTHING
Its not normally Sinister's MO yo use sentinels but him making a kaiju monster out of sentinels to lure in scott and Jean to experiment more with their genes makes sense for his character
I know they could have done more with Storm without her powers but it would be really hard to fit her into the team like that, so I'm glad for this abridged journey and her linking up with Forge.
The X-men know he’s alive, they were literally there at the end of season 5 when the Shi’ar took Xavier, that’s why the never say he’s dead, they say “gone”.
This show kinda implies they're not entirely sure when Jean remarks that Scott was upset because they received his death certificate. It's the only reason that might have upset him.
@@MrMelonGuy42 exactly, they were hoping for the best, but Lilandra would have let the X-men know if something happened to Charles. Anyways just wait until episode 8, that episode proves my point.
I don't know if Mystique was ever Magneto's girlfriend. Sure, that was a thing in the movies, but I had the impression that she sort of loved him and was loyal to his cause with and had stars in her eyes second. I never thought they were together. I could be wrong, but at least prior to the films I've never seen a comic with that pairing. Actually still never, as far as I remember.
How are you blaming Magneto for Scott snapping??? Scott literally just lost his son, and he didn't need Magneto to feel resentment about humanity looking down on mutantkind despite all the X-men have done for them. Also, Magneto is not manipualting Rogue. Stop infantilizing her. In the comics she ends up with him in a few timelines, they have a son together. Its a viable relationship choice.
One of the things that's so frustrating about this show is that Rogneto was not needed at all, Rogue and Remy have plenty of drama without that awful plot that makes her look so foolish.
This show actually made me love Rogneto, it was one of the best plots. And she dosn't look foolish from it, she looks human. People take the ability to touch for granted.
He needed their technology and medicine to survive, and he could walk again. Maybe he got used to living in their empire and it was not worse than living on Earth. Humans are awful too.
Having Magento and Rouge being former lovers was just wrong so so very very wrong. Rouge never even had any interest in Magento in the 90's animated series. Just because it happen in the comics which they clearly got that idea from. Doesn't mean that they should have put it in animation. It should have never happen in the comic books anyway. What were the comic book writers thinking back then didn't they know how wrong and sick it was? I like x-men 97 but if there's one thing I wish that they didn't put on the show it would be definitely be that one.
I couldn't agree more. She was clearly interested only in Gambit, and Magneto didn't look for a girlfriend. I can see how the creators used the drama within the second part of this episode - a girl has to choose between two men, breaks their hearts and then loses both. But it doesn't really work within the episode (there's a whole love square Madelyne-Scott-Jean-Logan), and of course it's unneeded at all. The writers of the show have some very good and some very bad ideas.
No, it was very very right. Literally every plotline in this show is from the comics and that's why the show is so good, not sure why you say they "clearly" got that from thre when its obvious in every other plotline lol. They could easily have been hiding it in the 90's series as they explained. Its not sick, its a geniuine relationship. And she even ends up with Magneto and they have a son in some alternate timelines.
Im so glad you noticed how much of a manipulation this seems to be on Magneto's part. In an attempt to catch up and be ready to watch xmen 97, i watched the 5 seasons of the og series. I noticed in season 4 and 5 after the disaster of asteroid M, magneto was seraching for his former wife. He was concerned for his son quicksilver. When the phalanx attack he was almost ready to die. He is an older man probably in his 60's canonically in this series. Its clear he wants to settle down with someone he loves. And its clear he was rogues teacher and now kinda her boss. So many fans blame rogue for her role in this ship but imo its clear magneto manipulated her then, and is doing now since he wants to settle down and just rsise Xavier's children-the xmen.
That version of Magneto never did anything like that. They retconned his past as well as many other things, and even changed some parts of his personality. It's kind of the same but not really if you can notice that. This Magneto is like a Magneto from a parallel universe, very similar yet different.
@@mariahbell2302 wdym? Magneto tried pleading with his former wife in season 4 to get back with him after she fleed from him destroying an entire town. That seems close enough imo with rogue that he wanted to get back in a relationship with her and groomed her to be in one with him. He is a villain after all. What exactly do you feel is out of character?
@@Thed538dhsk You mean season 4 of Animated series? I remember he was lured to High Evolutionary's trap by that. He said in that episode that he thought about his love for his wife every day. After a couple of decades since she left him! Pleading who he thought was her to be with him and looking for a girlfiend is not the same. Or you mean something else because you say she was his former wife. I asked myself what was different since episode 1 (besides the obvious things like his outfit). His speech, for example, is not exactly the same. It's like with paintings - the same technique, but different objects/themes/colors, and you can see it was created by another artist who learned from the one whose works you saw earlier. Magneto used to speak in a simpler way that was beautiful but made his point clear without unnecessary words. He was more energetic and straightforward, ready to fight, to lead an army. I think, that version of him would have tried to agree with Cyclops that they needed to train more (the Xmen always did that but not enough recently), and they'd have started it immediately. He'd have made them more vigilant. They had to respect Xavier's will (so couldn't refuse to follow Magneto) and distrusted Magneto himself, but he'd have used both things and led them in a way that woulld have shown them they could trust him without the court or anything outside of their "normal" save-everyone life. I could mention some presonality traits but that might be unclear as those are more or less psychological terms.
@@Seek1878 but he clearly is. He was her teacher and then tried having a relationship with her. Also a nearly 30 year age difference. Then when he is her employer/boss he tries getting with her again despite knowing she's with gambit. Then he offers her queen of genosha to try to be with her. He admits he wants to be with her. He is trying to manipulate her to be with him
FOR A PERSON WHO DOES "REACT"... SHE IS VERY DISPERSED... DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION WHEN THE WATCHER UATU APPEARED BEFORE THE FIREWORKS... DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE EXPLOSIONS AT THE PARTY... BRO... I'M OUT OF HERE... I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHY TH-cam RECOMMENDED THIS VIDEO TO ME...
Bro not everybody saw the watcher, you literally need to be paying extreme attention to the sky and focus on that specific thing. I didn’t notice him at first, and at the end of the day it’s just there to foreshadow the Genosha event, nothing more.
Like did you notice that the whole event was foreshadowed in Madelyn's vision or the Demon Owl followed storm in episode 2?? If you did on your first watch then here's your medal sir 🏅
Scott was completely right and justified for what he said. It wasnt spending time with Magneto that caused him to go off. The world did that.
Facts 💯
Agreed, disagreeing with him really shows privilege. Imaging having to constantly prove you're not sub-human because you're different. "That's not the way to go about it" is like trying to say he shouldn't have a voice, all he did was give his (factual) opinion it's not like he did anything radical.
@@j.j.1517 Might as well tell black people, etc, how to react ....
@@7Link7 tf u on about dumass
100%
Magneto didn't manipulate Rogue! He just Showed her his view of earth! He often says : If you are a Mutant, then choose for yourself!
And everybody has to Accept that: Magneto was right!
Plus she was in her mid twenties when she met him.....
Thank you! I find it funny I only see that claim from Gambit fans. Magneto even said he was surprised she visited him in ep 2 thinking she was done with him. How is that manipulative!?
@@imthestein Because he groomed her in the past, so she's a victim.
@@treybrannon4964 you people need to stop telling on yourselves
@@imthestein I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.
9:49 Yeah...I was FLOORED that they did this plotline.
The Mutant Massacre is one of the worst moments in X-Men history & they didn't baulk at the horror that happened. While not graphic, it lets you see the desperation & hopelessness everyone felt in that moment.
I was 6yrs old when X-Men TAS first aired in '92, I've read the comics my whole life, I learned how to read thru X-men comics, I've seen all the movies, etc. Let me tell you... Get ready for the best X-men adaptation ever created. X-Men '97 >>> EVERYTHING
I’m a 90s xmen kid grown up. This series is peak Xmen.
No one is prepared for episode 5... just like in Attack on Titan...
Yeah, episode is definitely a Emmy winner
If there going to do the apocalypse storyline gambit might come as one of the 4 horsemen along with banshee
Check the final episodes. Nice.
Its not normally Sinister's MO yo use sentinels but him making a kaiju monster out of sentinels to lure in scott and Jean to experiment more with their genes makes sense for his character
I know they could have done more with Storm without her powers but it would be really hard to fit her into the team like that, so I'm glad for this abridged journey and her linking up with Forge.
The remaining episodes are up now. We are doing so much stuff for Season 2.
Sweet! Loving your reaction to this molly
The X-men know he’s alive, they were literally there at the end of season 5 when the Shi’ar took Xavier, that’s why the never say he’s dead, they say “gone”.
This show kinda implies they're not entirely sure when Jean remarks that Scott was upset because they received his death certificate. It's the only reason that might have upset him.
i dont think the bird people were 100% sure they could save him so they couldve just been hoping for the best
@@MrMelonGuy42 exactly, they were hoping for the best, but Lilandra would have let the X-men know if something happened to Charles.
Anyways just wait until episode 8, that episode proves my point.
I don't know if Mystique was ever Magneto's girlfriend. Sure, that was a thing in the movies, but I had the impression that she sort of loved him and was loyal to his cause with and had stars in her eyes second. I never thought they were together. I could be wrong, but at least prior to the films I've never seen a comic with that pairing. Actually still never, as far as I remember.
Uncanny Xmen 269 and 274, they had a brief thing in the Savage Land
It's a fixed point in time....that's why "body slide by one" Cable was sent back
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You might noty noticed it, but someone very imporatnt was watching during the fireworks scene
I love this!
How are you blaming Magneto for Scott snapping??? Scott literally just lost his son, and he didn't need Magneto to feel resentment about humanity looking down on mutantkind despite all the X-men have done for them.
Also, Magneto is not manipualting Rogue. Stop infantilizing her. In the comics she ends up with him in a few timelines, they have a son together. Its a viable relationship choice.
One of the things that's so frustrating about this show is that Rogneto was not needed at all, Rogue and Remy have plenty of drama without that awful plot that makes her look so foolish.
This show actually made me love Rogneto, it was one of the best plots. And she dosn't look foolish from it, she looks human. People take the ability to touch for granted.
Lol you cut out all of Gambit's action scenes!!
It's just a kids show...It's just a kids show...It's just a kids show
They are trying to hurt us.
I can't rewatch these episodes again. Just too traumatic. The Shi'ar are truly awful. Why would Charles hang out with them so long?
He needed their technology and medicine to survive, and he could walk again. Maybe he got used to living in their empire and it was not worse than living on Earth. Humans are awful too.
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Having Magento and Rouge being former lovers was just wrong so so very very wrong. Rouge never even had any interest in Magento in the 90's animated series. Just because it happen in the comics which they clearly got that idea from. Doesn't mean that they should have put it in animation. It should have never happen in the comic books anyway. What were the comic book writers thinking back then didn't they know how wrong and sick it was? I like x-men 97 but if there's one thing I wish that they didn't put on the show it would be definitely be that one.
I couldn't agree more. She was clearly interested only in Gambit, and Magneto didn't look for a girlfriend. I can see how the creators used the drama within the second part of this episode - a girl has to choose between two men, breaks their hearts and then loses both. But it doesn't really work within the episode (there's a whole love square Madelyne-Scott-Jean-Logan), and of course it's unneeded at all. The writers of the show have some very good and some very bad ideas.
No, it was very very right. Literally every plotline in this show is from the comics and that's why the show is so good, not sure why you say they "clearly" got that from thre when its obvious in every other plotline lol. They could easily have been hiding it in the 90's series as they explained. Its not sick, its a geniuine relationship. And she even ends up with Magneto and they have a son in some alternate timelines.
@@mariahbell2302 It works great actually. And the funny thing is I started the series as a Rogue/Gambit fan, and it made me enjoy Rogue/Magneto.
Im so glad you noticed how much of a manipulation this seems to be on Magneto's part. In an attempt to catch up and be ready to watch xmen 97, i watched the 5 seasons of the og series. I noticed in season 4 and 5 after the disaster of asteroid M, magneto was seraching for his former wife. He was concerned for his son quicksilver. When the phalanx attack he was almost ready to die. He is an older man probably in his 60's canonically in this series. Its clear he wants to settle down with someone he loves. And its clear he was rogues teacher and now kinda her boss. So many fans blame rogue for her role in this ship but imo its clear magneto manipulated her then, and is doing now since he wants to settle down and just rsise Xavier's children-the xmen.
That version of Magneto never did anything like that. They retconned his past as well as many other things, and even changed some parts of his personality. It's kind of the same but not really if you can notice that. This Magneto is like a Magneto from a parallel universe, very similar yet different.
@@mariahbell2302 wdym? Magneto tried pleading with his former wife in season 4 to get back with him after she fleed from him destroying an entire town. That seems close enough imo with rogue that he wanted to get back in a relationship with her and groomed her to be in one with him. He is a villain after all. What exactly do you feel is out of character?
@@Thed538dhsk You mean season 4 of Animated series? I remember he was lured to High Evolutionary's trap by that. He said in that episode that he thought about his love for his wife every day. After a couple of decades since she left him! Pleading who he thought was her to be with him and looking for a girlfiend is not the same. Or you mean something else because you say she was his former wife.
I asked myself what was different since episode 1 (besides the obvious things like his outfit). His speech, for example, is not exactly the same. It's like with paintings - the same technique, but different objects/themes/colors, and you can see it was created by another artist who learned from the one whose works you saw earlier. Magneto used to speak in a simpler way that was beautiful but made his point clear without unnecessary words. He was more energetic and straightforward, ready to fight, to lead an army. I think, that version of him would have tried to agree with Cyclops that they needed to train more (the Xmen always did that but not enough recently), and they'd have started it immediately. He'd have made them more vigilant. They had to respect Xavier's will (so couldn't refuse to follow Magneto) and distrusted Magneto himself, but he'd have used both things and led them in a way that woulld have shown them they could trust him without the court or anything outside of their "normal" save-everyone life. I could mention some presonality traits but that might be unclear as those are more or less psychological terms.
Magneto is not manipulating her, its such a lazy accusation and usually it coms from Gambit fans upset abut Rogue's choice.
@@Seek1878 but he clearly is. He was her teacher and then tried having a relationship with her. Also a nearly 30 year age difference.
Then when he is her employer/boss he tries getting with her again despite knowing she's with gambit.
Then he offers her queen of genosha to try to be with her. He admits he wants to be with her.
He is trying to manipulate her to be with him
Lol how can Xavier be a father figure without talk about..."making babies"?
Trauma?
I have personal "traumas" in real life, so this means I should unalive myself?
Not! 🤣
She was of age and consented. Did her not being able to touch play apart in sleeping with Magnus? Absolutely but he did trick her into a relationship.
How did he trick her?
FOR A PERSON WHO DOES "REACT"... SHE IS VERY DISPERSED... DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION WHEN THE WATCHER UATU APPEARED BEFORE THE FIREWORKS... DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE EXPLOSIONS AT THE PARTY... BRO... I'M OUT OF HERE... I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHY TH-cam RECOMMENDED THIS VIDEO TO ME...
Bro not everybody saw the watcher, you literally need to be paying extreme attention to the sky and focus on that specific thing. I didn’t notice him at first, and at the end of the day it’s just there to foreshadow the Genosha event, nothing more.
Like did you notice that the whole event was foreshadowed in Madelyn's vision or the Demon Owl followed storm in episode 2?? If you did on your first watch then here's your medal sir 🏅
So long, farewell. You won't be missed.
Bro, watch it yourself then.