You made a great point. You would think that during the 6 years of construction, Disney would have thought of something better to connect Tron to the rest of Tomorrowland.
I mean they've made some updates to tommorowland, essentially just reverting it back to the original design, but there's still too much they've not removed. I mean even the merchant of Venus sign is still there last time I was there, it's not been open since pre pandemic and is just a seating area inside.
You are absolutely right, I think the canopy being above all of Tomorrowland would have been awesome and took on what Walt would have wanted Epcot to be. Unfortunately in this environment and this economy, people aren't looking toward the future and aren't being idealistic. They are only looking at dollar signs, and it's not just Disney, it's every single company. But I love Disney and can't wait to ride Tron.
The canopy would have been awesome. I think the light cycle going throughput the land-and could have drawn people in from the main hub-but the awnings would have been enough to remake the lackluster entry buildings
The cool thing about a place like Disney is it's an escape from those dollar concerns. We go to Disney to remove ourselves from reality. They just dropped $300 million on a roller coaster. I'm sure financing the canopies would not break the bank, and would defnitely change the vibe to be futuristic. I do not think of the land as "Tomorrowland 2023." I view it as what they thought the future would be like 51 years ago when the park opened. It's still neat to see the design, the typography and the vision of what was. An actual Tomorrowland can only be what we believe the future to be now, which will immediately become dated by the next generation's vision. It's a race that can never be run or won.
@@earlwatt7677 I agree, but to continue Walt's vision, we have to keep going and let it evolve. I Love Disney and can't wait to bring my daughter for the first time!
Tomorrowland Super Speedway needs an overhaul: Electric vehicles sponsored by Tesla or GM, with neon lights and LED lighting. This will help greatly in carrying the Tron overhaul to the rest of the land.
No to Tesla but your point remains, needs to be EV's or what's the point? While there in Feb the cast member made a good point, its the only ride in WDW that isn't controlled by a Cast Member and is 100% controlled by the guest. He said for this reason its one of the most dangerous rides in WDW. Revamping to EV's could solve this problem as well.
I liked your comparison to new fantasyland because I do feel a Tomorrowland revamp would’ve been great, but I feel like there are more gaps in that land than just revamping the theming. Filling in the hole that is Stitch and a potential revamp of the speedway is higher on my list. With that being said, I feel that even though it was a 5 year wait, this one was worth it because we didn’t lose any capacity in the process. Disney building new rides without taking out old ones is necessary at this point to fix its most glaring issue.
Totally agree. Your points about it being something that races throughout Tomorrowland is especially true for Disneyland, where it could provide the kinetic energy missing since the People Mover/Rocket Rods were shut down.
Excellent video. You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Tron doesn't fix anything except perhaps more space for park-goers. It dulls out the rest of the land. I think the canopy idea is clever. You are right though... now that Tron is on it's happy way, Tomorrowland will now be ignored for other ideas. Before adding to the park, perhaps fixing what we have would be a good idea. Spruce it up while plans are being developed for other additions (like the Evil Wizards or what have you land). The problem also exists in Disneyland as well in a much worse way. In any case, it's millions of dollars away. There's a great big, expensive tomorrow....
Saw the demonstration of the trains on the coaster when I entered Tomorrowland while braving my whole Disney World visit. And avoided the rain for shelter. The idea of having the LED canopy and more track going all over Tomorrowland to both brighten the future twice as often and protect the wanderers from the blazing sunlight is a good idea, but could also block a beautiful star marvel in the night sky.
It's embarrassing that Disney cannot build an attraction, in a timely manner considering Universal has built attractions and improved many areas in their parks.
@David Vitrano I can see that, but Universal built the..I cannot recall the name during the same time, and it has been functional for over a year. It's frustrating.
@David Vitrano Not an excuse, Disney keeps playing the “wait and see” game when Universal makes big moves. Happened with Potter now with Epic Universe. Disney needs to stop being arrogant. They’re like a toxic chad.
Disney has to update space mountain next. Not because the ride isn’t a classic, but because you can ride a roller coaster and get a chiropractic adjustment at the same time. 😮😅😎🌴
universal has had so many problems with rides too. look at the refurbishment of the mummy, the reopening was delayed and them it keep having problems after it reopend.
Definitely like your idea of the canopy and tron going around the whole land, that also woulda made the ride longer, and could have done a double track to double the capacity, or make 2 entirely different tracks going over different parts of tomorrow land.
Jack - you are so right - have you ever thought about being an imagineer? Seriously, they should hire you. I’d be interested to hear if you’ve got any ideas for the “abandoned fairground” area at AK (the old triceratops spin area)
Great idea! It's too bad Disney doesn't hire you to be an imagineer. I agree that Tomorrowland needs shade. I've also felt like there are some bare places that really need something. Like over near Carousel of Progress there's a big empty space. Plus the attraction with Stitch could be made into something else. I feel like Tomorrowland needs a lot more attention that it doesn't get.
Wish they would utilize the themes that can be found in the Disney movie Meet the Robinsons, as it did very well exploring the world of tomorrow, while also not being as of yet even close to possible for bubbles to be used to build buildings, etc. TRON helps, but could arguably turn Tomorrow land into a full on land of TRON, taking the guest into the world of the TRON grid.
I made two trips to Disney World during the potential time that Tron could have opened, based upon the time frame of Shanghai. Disney delayed it and I honestly can’t afford to keep coming back. I think many like my family were willing to go but it took so long that we lost interest. I don’t think it’s going to fix Tomorrowland. Once the newness wears off, Tomorrowland is going to be dull yet again. Your ideas would be awesome and would definitely be much better than what Disney has tried.
Enjoyed riding the Roy O. Disney locomotive through the tunnel underneath the coaster. The 50th anniversary of Disney World is finally over, but the Disney 100 Years of Wonder celebration, anniversary and birthday are all continuing.
probably my favorite video from you yet. i also think tomorrowland does best when the lights can contrast more, and having the canopy could help a bit with that during the day quite a bit
Agreed! I’ve been watching his videos for years and this was incredible. I think it blends a review of a ride with great background research and also explores “what if.”
Tomorrowland's problem can undergo faith and trust for the glorious dreams and wishes of the future. So can every one of the rest of the Disney park locations, including Castaway Cay, Aulani and the ships.
Here's a thought to fix Tomorrowland. Why not update the Tomorrowland Speedway by changing the cars into "hover" cars with a futuristic design. (Possibly an original Tron design for nostalgia)
Tbh I think Imagineering should focus on a more science fiction Tomorrowland type concept as I think it’s one of the only ways to truly stop the land from quickly aging.
Is anyone else way too into the Tommorowland conspiracy? How the park ties into the movie, and how those tie into the music festival, and how that musical festival is a modern adaptation/continuation of the worlds fair, which is mentioned in the movie in form of a "fictional" conspiracy theory which tied into a "promotional" ARG that nobody really played which involved the worlds smartest people and leaders coming together to save the world?
Tron needs to be indoors, and truly should not even have the outdoor canopy portion. It breaks the idea that you're inside a computer when you see the real world around you in that part. Riding at night helps, but still...
It's not too late to bring your idea to the original Disneyland. If the Peoplemover can't return this could be another way to bring back some kinetic energy to the land.
I’m glad tron is open but they took so long to build it but it took universal way less time to build the Velocicoaster lol also wanted to point out that they still haven’t found a replacement for stitches great escape yet, that’s an empty show building that they could turn into a new attraction for tomorrow land.
Love the idea of the massive canopy just like you said comes down to cost and I’d almost rather they use that money to invest in new attractions/ rides for the remainder of parks
True, although I feel like a TRON canopy over Tomorrowland would be a bit too much, I feel like they should just give Tomorrowland a small refurb with the TRON theming with similar lighting and updating the overall looks of the buildings. So, TRON will be tied in with the rest of the land, Tomorrowland’s problem would be solved and space mountain will get a nice new remixed look.
I heard it is well worth the wait and that it's been worth all the years of construction. I am excited and looking forward to riding it in November and December when visiting Walt Disney World for the Christmas 🎄 time of year. Your thought is my thought Jack. I like the idea of walking from one land to a more futuristic land. Fantastic bogging m8. I do think it goes well with the future change of space mounting if the changes are to happen.
I think the "Tomorrowland problem" can be solved by not making the land about what the future could be like in 20 or even 100 years from now. To keep from being dated, it should be about futuristic adventures that are impossible or nearly so -- faster than light travel, journeying to the earth's core, shrinking to the size of an atom, being digitized into a world of electronics, and so on. Yes, it could do with a revamp of its architecture, but even the Tron dome might appear outdated in 20 years, depending on where architectural trends go.
Love your ideas of the canopy over the area...would make it much more futuristic...they also need to update the speedway and fill in stitches attraction with something...so many possibilities if disney would get creative again
I just realized, Epic Universe was announced in 2019 with plans to open in 2023. COVID delayed the the grand opening to 2025 but all signs point to them meeting that goal. Tron was announced at D23 in 2017 with construction beginning in 2018 with completion 5 years later. Even with COVID, that’s 1 ride while Universal is building an entire park in record time apparently. Also, Tron is supposed to be their Hagrid killer. It’s like they’re not even trying.
tomorrowland in MK should have a similar concept as disneyland paris. It should be like how people thought how the future would look like in the 1950's
Between this video and Offhand Disney's video yesterday, it appears that more and more people believe Tomorrowland - the entire land - requires some overdue attention.
Spot on Jack! The walk is too long to the rest of Tomorrowland. The ride is a minute, a minute and a half too short! The worst has been the negative exposure to the issue with the seats!
My dream Tomorrowland revitalization for Disneyland: 1) Remove the Star Wars Launch Bay and use it as the launch platform for Tron Lightcycle Run. 2) Weave the Tron Lightcycle track over and through the existing show buildings and make use of the defunct people mover track/area. 3) Move Star Tours to Galaxy’s Edge. It’ll give people one more thing to at GE and open space for a new motion simulator attraction in TL. 4) The proposed motion simulator attraction can be revamped and re-themed much easier over the years. It can be based on new/imagined cutting edge technologies. 5) Convert the cars in Autopia to solar powered electric vehicles. Yes, it’s not futuristic but at least those noxious gas fumes will be removed, but more importantly, it promotes a green, sustainable future. 6) Add an overall futuristic LED/neon lighting package to the entire land. 7) Add more greenery that showcase sustainable agricultural methods. 8) Revamp existing Buzz Lightyear and Nemo rides into exciting, science-based rides. Disney IP’s that promote scientific advancement (like Big Hero 6, Wall-E, or upcoming films) could work well in Tomorrowland.
Disneyland should take out the Star Wars launch bay thats taking up so much space and add a ride there. Also, the fact that it’s going to take epic universe (an ENTIRE theme park) around the same time it took for Disney to open Tron is crazy. It’s like they’re not even trying anymore 😔
The Tomorrowland problem only exists in the US. Every single international park has a cohesive, timeless Tomorrowland. Tokyo's seems like a good model to go off of for a MK Tomorrowland retheme. Hong Kong's would be a good model to go off of for DL since their astro orbiters are so similar.
The Magic Kingdom’s Tomorrowland issue can’t be solved with canopy because the problem would still be what’s under that canopy. They need a plan to create innovative, novel attractions in place of the Laugh Floor, Stitch’s old spot and the Speedway. Their #1 problem is that they can no longer break away from using their Intellectual Property and do things that accurately fit the land. A ride where we colonize another planet could be fun. Or kind of time travel ride where you jump through time and meet Walt Disney and then jump into the future to see Disney World in 100 years. IDK…but there are so many possibilities if you don’t tie yourself to IP.
There will be a video about the 100th birthday of the Walt Disney Company. I've known many lucky 100s: The 100 dollar bills The 100th birthday of Giant (which is this year along with the Walt Disney Company) The century-old veterans of our country as well as the founders of Smuckers Jelly Chef Gulibaud having told Linda Flynn-Fletcher 100 times to never answer a phone call during cooking class Candace Gertrude Flynn becoming the 100th contestant, winning the chance to sing on stage with Phineas and the Ferb Tones Perry the Platypus's 100th battle with Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz (he couldn't make it) Earth's first growth
Oh! Yeah that canopy idea would be much like @ Tokyo Disneyland. Protect the guests from rain & heat. Panels could also have random messages on them like Welcome to the Future. It's also a relatively "easy Fix" on so many levels. Great point made about 6 yrs. and being able to ride.
I love the idea of the canopy covering a major section of tomorrowland. I've been thinking the same thing for years now for similar reasons. It would revitalize the land and add shade and rain cover to the area. It could have also have been easily used to give subtle additions to the nighttime shows by programming the lights to the show somewhat. Especially if this covered parts of tonorrowland speedway which desperately needs a makeover. Could also add more futuristic cars such as a more sports like version of the autotopia car made for Disneyland but could be an electric vehicle. Would make the whole land seem more futuristic
I think the Tomorrowland Speedway really holds back the land as it looks dated and smells like old lawnmowers. Disney should replace the cars with electric versions that have LEDs in the wheels like the lightcycle coaster does. A retheme of the queue area would also help. Given Disney's sustainability push, moving to electric would help with that. While I like the idea of the coaster weaving around other attractions, I wonder if that would have limited redevelopment potential, especially around Carousel of Progress.
Jack where are you from? Your accent is amazing, your videos are perfectly narrated and produced. Thank you for sharing and keep on making your great Disney content.
I like the idea of extending the canopy farther. Some cover and some open for the area. I have to chuckle about the guests who used to ask about the bubble over the whole park. They would get some of what they expected.
I keep say that, the only way to fix the Tomorrowland problem is to base the land & rides on a utopic retrofuturist aesthetic. Make the land into a future we dreamt should've been by now, just not the future we ended up or likely never end up living in.
Tomorrowland rehab ideas: put ANYTHING in great escape… literally anything. When it opens, gut and remake buzz light year and make it futuristic (I.e. AR like Mario kart ride) gut carousel of progress. Throw in a show, or something… whatever… once those are done, revamp space mountain and maybe put a new show in monsters. Throw in a high end restaurant that’s themed really well, and bobs your uncle. Yes that is all easier said than done, but I mean… tomorrow land is now broken down yesterday land.
Always thought that Tomorrowland needs to be themed more in the way the other lands are. I think the 90s revamp had some of that idea. The idea of the sort of old fashioned future, with rockets and robots, etc was a good one. Having a "transit authority" and having things take place in the Tomorrowland convention center, etc were fun ideas. But why not more like other lands with decorations including the fake store fronts and shops seen in corners of Fantasyland and Liberty Square? You know, a door with a Robot Repair Shop sign or things like that.
I’m excited to see the development of the Tomorrowland revamp at Tokyo Disney. If anyone can solve the Tomorrowland problem it is the team at that incredible park!
I've been fanatically watching the Walt Disney Company's corporate hierarchy since the events surround Saul Steinberg and greenmail (1984) and something happened at the shareholder's meeting that none of the Disney commentators seem to be talking about. Company CEO Bob Iger remarked that the WDW parks welcome 50 million guests a year. Now aside from the fact that this means that (on the average) there are 136,000 consumers at WDW every day (wow!) it's also newsworthy to mention that this is the first time in decades that a Disney company representative has publicly referenced a statistic related to attendance. Typically the company does not release those numbers.
i like your idea for what should have been in tomorrowland. that probably would have been cool AF - but then we would have to ask whether the peoplemover should go.
Such an interesting subject to talk about, i completely agree with the outdated topic of Tomorrowland and how expanding the architecture of Tron would’ve solved this land’s most noticeable issue. It’s insane how Disney took 5/6 years to build a REPLICA of an existing attraction, while universal will build a whole new theme park in that same time frame. Lot to think about
That concept you made with the canopy on top of Tomorrowland just made me go WoW. It's a bummer that today's Disney is more focused on duplicating attractions than creating new ones...
There are alot of smaller and cheaper things they could do to bring the land up to scratch. Remove the rest of the 1994 theming and return it back to the original 70s theme. Replace the concrete to Match Tron area. New lighting to match with Tron. Definitely get rid of the rocks at the entrance too. It really wouldn't cost them much at all and would just give the whole area a more unified look.
Jack, great content as always. Just wanted to say your mic sounds a little over compressed. It is better quality than the yeti you used to use, but it is so mid bass heavy. Maybe an eq could be used to scoop some of that out. Either way, Cheers for the content!
Thanks for insight if you could message me privately via Twitter or Instagram I can share the setting I use and maybe you couldn’t advise as I’m not an audio expert.
What did Disney did in 94 was a great solution to their problem. They created a fictional story behind it which allowed them more freedom and flexibility in their attractions so they didn’t feel pressured to change things so much . Now what they did was in the cheapest way possible try to revert to the old ways and it looks terrible. Tomorrowland is still a mess when there’s now 3 different themes mushed together . They have vacant spots in some of their old attractions and have dead spaces in others. And their solutions to these spaces are fundementally the opposite what it’s theme is with cheap ip integration
Doing a similar advertising campaign, where it promotes a whole land is not “you can’t top pigs with pigs” territory 😂 NOW IF I were to say “do another New Fantasyland advertising campaign” that would be a sequel. But advertising A New Tomorrowland isn’t the same, as Tomorrowland wouldn’t be changing its name, it would just be an advertising tagline used for the marketing material.
Three suggestions about Tomorrowland. First, Tomorrowland Raceway needs to be replaced for numerous reasons. Smell, noise and for the environmental reasons. It should be replace with another futuristic thrill ride. Second, a handicap elevator to the loading platform for the People Mover. Third, Carousel of Progress needs to be replaced with something more up to date. It is 50 years old and has seen better days. Universal's Epic Universe can draw visitors away from Magic Kingdom Tomorrowland
Walt’s secondary theme of Tomorrowland is travel. Go with that. I’m not talking technology (nobody can guess future technology) but rather future travel locations like Journey to the Center of the Earth, Mission Space, and the Tokyo 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea. There are a lot of examples of attractions throughout the world that could be used that are proven winners. Star Tours and Space Mountain would actually fit in this. I also love the 50’s futuristic vibe mixed with incredible lighting effects for the overall land too. If only. This fixes the “Tomorrowland Problem.”
Better than trying to tie Star Wars to Tomorrowland, I suppose. Might make more sense in a park like EPCOT, but at least Tron deals w/futurism than something like Star Wars, which takes place in a "galaxy far, far away".
They need to fix two things in Old tomorrow land replace monster ic and the old stitch escape area stitch, opened and fall of 2004 in monsters Inc. open summer 2007
Brilliant analysis of the problem, with a great solution that brings a sense of awe, which is vital to keep this land enjoyable, marketable, and true to Disney’s overall vision. May I make a suggestion for a future Broadcast? Could you address the problem of this paste-on addition by speaking about the history of the more complete Tomorrowland updates of the past, including those of Disneyland. I believe it would be incredibly informative to your viewers If you were to review the aesthetic of the 1971 tomorrowland, and then examine the way that the 1994 retro-future-update addressed the Tomorrowland problem. In essence, by coming up with a framing device that gave logic to the variety of styles on display, an Interplanetary expo. There was a real idea there, whatever anyone thought of the aesthetic. I think what I like most about your solution today is that it unifies a bunch of pieces much in the way that the 1967 Tomorrowland peoplemover created a sweeping ribbon throughout that update and made everything seem new.
The only problem with the Tomorrowland theme is our view of tomorrow. We had an optimistic view in the 50s and now we have a dystopian view. I love the 50s version. I think we should stick with that era.
I was just at Disney World last week, and the Tron Cycle fortunately had a soft opening that week! I rode it, and I can safely say it is worth it! Though one thing you failed to mention about the Tron Coaster: part of the reason why it was such a long wait before its opening was largely due to the pandemic. I really think Disneyland's Tomorrowland is in worse shape than Disney World's, as that has a lot of things that need to be fixed about it.
You made a great point. You would think that during the 6 years of construction, Disney would have thought of something better to connect Tron to the rest of Tomorrowland.
I mean they've made some updates to tommorowland, essentially just reverting it back to the original design, but there's still too much they've not removed. I mean even the merchant of Venus sign is still there last time I was there, it's not been open since pre pandemic and is just a seating area inside.
You are absolutely right, I think the canopy being above all of Tomorrowland would have been awesome and took on what Walt would have wanted Epcot to be. Unfortunately in this environment and this economy, people aren't looking toward the future and aren't being idealistic. They are only looking at dollar signs, and it's not just Disney, it's every single company. But I love Disney and can't wait to ride Tron.
The canopy would have been awesome. I think the light cycle going throughput the land-and could have drawn people in from the main hub-but the awnings would have been enough to remake the lackluster entry buildings
The cool thing about a place like Disney is it's an escape from those dollar concerns. We go to Disney to remove ourselves from reality. They just dropped $300 million on a roller coaster. I'm sure financing the canopies would not break the bank, and would defnitely change the vibe to be futuristic. I do not think of the land as "Tomorrowland 2023." I view it as what they thought the future would be like 51 years ago when the park opened. It's still neat to see the design, the typography and the vision of what was. An actual Tomorrowland can only be what we believe the future to be now, which will immediately become dated by the next generation's vision. It's a race that can never be run or won.
@@earlwatt7677 I agree, but to continue Walt's vision, we have to keep going and let it evolve. I Love Disney and can't wait to bring my daughter for the first time!
Tomorrowland Super Speedway needs an overhaul: Electric vehicles sponsored by Tesla or GM, with neon lights and LED lighting. This will help greatly in carrying the Tron overhaul to the rest of the land.
No to Tesla but your point remains, needs to be EV's or what's the point? While there in Feb the cast member made a good point, its the only ride in WDW that isn't controlled by a Cast Member and is 100% controlled by the guest. He said for this reason its one of the most dangerous rides in WDW. Revamping to EV's could solve this problem as well.
But EVs are gonna be our cars in a few years so maybe like a pod that you can drive?
I liked your comparison to new fantasyland because I do feel a Tomorrowland revamp would’ve been great, but I feel like there are more gaps in that land than just revamping the theming. Filling in the hole that is Stitch and a potential revamp of the speedway is higher on my list. With that being said, I feel that even though it was a 5 year wait, this one was worth it because we didn’t lose any capacity in the process. Disney building new rides without taking out old ones is necessary at this point to fix its most glaring issue.
Totally agree. Your points about it being something that races throughout Tomorrowland is especially true for Disneyland, where it could provide the kinetic energy missing since the People Mover/Rocket Rods were shut down.
Excellent video. You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Tron doesn't fix anything except perhaps more space for park-goers. It dulls out the rest of the land. I think the canopy idea is clever. You are right though... now that Tron is on it's happy way, Tomorrowland will now be ignored for other ideas. Before adding to the park, perhaps fixing what we have would be a good idea. Spruce it up while plans are being developed for other additions (like the Evil Wizards or what have you land). The problem also exists in Disneyland as well in a much worse way. In any case, it's millions of dollars away. There's a great big, expensive tomorrow....
Saw the demonstration of the trains on the coaster when I entered Tomorrowland while braving my whole Disney World visit. And avoided the rain for shelter. The idea of having the LED canopy and more track going all over Tomorrowland to both brighten the future twice as often and protect the wanderers from the blazing sunlight is a good idea, but could also block a beautiful star marvel in the night sky.
It's embarrassing that Disney cannot build an attraction, in a timely manner considering Universal has built attractions and improved many areas in their parks.
@David Vitrano the pandemic didn’t stop universal-
@David Vitrano I can see that, but Universal built the..I cannot recall the name during the same time, and it has been functional for over a year. It's frustrating.
@David Vitrano Not an excuse, Disney keeps playing the “wait and see” game when Universal makes big moves. Happened with Potter now with Epic Universe. Disney needs to stop being arrogant. They’re like a toxic chad.
Disney has to update space mountain next. Not because the ride isn’t a classic, but because you can ride a roller coaster and get a chiropractic adjustment at the same time. 😮😅😎🌴
universal has had so many problems with rides too. look at the refurbishment of the mummy, the reopening was delayed and them it keep having problems after it reopend.
Definitely like your idea of the canopy and tron going around the whole land, that also woulda made the ride longer, and could have done a double track to double the capacity, or make 2 entirely different tracks going over different parts of tomorrow land.
Jack - you are so right - have you ever thought about being an imagineer? Seriously, they should hire you. I’d be interested to hear if you’ve got any ideas for the “abandoned fairground” area at AK (the old triceratops spin area)
Great idea! It's too bad Disney doesn't hire you to be an imagineer. I agree that Tomorrowland needs shade. I've also felt like there are some bare places that really need something. Like over near Carousel of Progress there's a big empty space. Plus the attraction with Stitch could be made into something else. I feel like Tomorrowland needs a lot more attention that it doesn't get.
Wish they would utilize the themes that can be found in the Disney movie Meet the Robinsons, as it did very well exploring the world of tomorrow, while also not being as of yet even close to possible for bubbles to be used to build buildings, etc.
TRON helps, but could arguably turn Tomorrow land into a full on land of TRON, taking the guest into the world of the TRON grid.
I made two trips to Disney World during the potential time that Tron could have opened, based upon the time frame of Shanghai. Disney delayed it and I honestly can’t afford to keep coming back.
I think many like my family were willing to go but it took so long that we lost interest. I don’t think it’s going to fix Tomorrowland. Once the newness wears off, Tomorrowland is going to be dull yet again.
Your ideas would be awesome and would definitely be much better than what Disney has tried.
Enjoyed riding the Roy O. Disney locomotive through the tunnel underneath the coaster. The 50th anniversary of Disney World is finally over, but the Disney 100 Years of Wonder celebration, anniversary and birthday are all continuing.
I like the DL Paris idea of going retro. Because every age has/had a "tomorrow".
probably my favorite video from you yet. i also think tomorrowland does best when the lights can contrast more, and having the canopy could help a bit with that during the day quite a bit
Agreed! I’ve been watching his videos for years and this was incredible. I think it blends a review of a ride with great background research and also explores “what if.”
Thanks for the compliment Christopher! That means a lot and I’m so glad the video hit all the marks I wanted it to. Thanks for watching!
Tomorrowland's problem can undergo faith and trust for the glorious dreams and wishes of the future. So can every one of the rest of the Disney park locations, including Castaway Cay, Aulani and the ships.
Here's a thought to fix Tomorrowland. Why not update the Tomorrowland Speedway by changing the cars into "hover" cars with a futuristic design. (Possibly an original Tron design for nostalgia)
The small food stand and the food it offers sums it up!
Jack, you are the best. Disney really needs big ideas like yours! Thank you for sharing your amazing productions.
Tbh I think Imagineering should focus on a more science fiction Tomorrowland type concept as I think it’s one of the only ways to truly stop the land from quickly aging.
I like the Cnopy expansion idea. Also think a retheme of autopia makes sense since it's not really futuristic.
I really like the idea of the canopy covering the whole of Tomorrowland. I wonder about the feasibility of expanding it still
8:49 Made me laugh 🤣🤣🤣
Is anyone else way too into the Tommorowland conspiracy? How the park ties into the movie, and how those tie into the music festival, and how that musical festival is a modern adaptation/continuation of the worlds fair, which is mentioned in the movie in form of a "fictional" conspiracy theory which tied into a "promotional" ARG that nobody really played which involved the worlds smartest people and leaders coming together to save the world?
Tron needs to be indoors, and truly should not even have the outdoor canopy portion. It breaks the idea that you're inside a computer when you see the real world around you in that part. Riding at night helps, but still...
Jack you might have an untapped career on the _West End_ or _Broadway_ with that brave singing lol 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯👌👍
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It's not too late to bring your idea to the original Disneyland. If the Peoplemover can't return this could be another way to bring back some kinetic energy to the land.
The one ride that brings down Tomorrowland and has done since about the early 90's is Tomorrowland Speedway. I can't believe that ride still exists.
They could integrate the canopy into the firework show
I’m glad tron is open but they took so long to build it but it took universal way less time to build the Velocicoaster lol also wanted to point out that they still haven’t found a replacement for stitches great escape yet, that’s an empty show building that they could turn into a new attraction for tomorrow land.
CAN'T WAIT FOR TRON!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d love to see this idea of Tron covering Tomorrowland happen at Disneyland. Since it’s so small with four rides now, it would make a huge impact.
The fact the NBA Experience went from announcement to closure in less time than this attraction's announcement-to-opening timeline.
Love the idea of the massive canopy just like you said comes down to cost and I’d almost rather they use that money to invest in new attractions/ rides for the remainder of parks
True, although I feel like a TRON canopy over Tomorrowland would be a bit too much, I feel like they should just give Tomorrowland a small refurb with the TRON theming with similar lighting and updating the overall looks of the buildings. So, TRON will be tied in with the rest of the land, Tomorrowland’s problem would be solved and space mountain will get a nice new remixed look.
I heard it is well worth the wait and that it's been worth all the years of construction. I am excited and looking forward to riding it in November and December when visiting Walt Disney World for the Christmas 🎄 time of year. Your thought is my thought Jack. I like the idea of walking from one land to a more futuristic land. Fantastic bogging m8. I do think it goes well with the future change of space mounting if the changes are to happen.
Did the early passholder preview, 100% worth the wait. If it gets to a 2.5-3 hour + wait, maybe not lol, but it's a ton of fun.
I think the "Tomorrowland problem" can be solved by not making the land about what the future could be like in 20 or even 100 years from now. To keep from being dated, it should be about futuristic adventures that are impossible or nearly so -- faster than light travel, journeying to the earth's core, shrinking to the size of an atom, being digitized into a world of electronics, and so on. Yes, it could do with a revamp of its architecture, but even the Tron dome might appear outdated in 20 years, depending on where architectural trends go.
Where could you GO in the future without trying to predict the technology of how it will happen. My thoughts exactly.
I will enjoy the return of some events and more rides as I find a way to get certified to work in Disney World.
Love your ideas of the canopy over the area...would make it much more futuristic...they also need to update the speedway and fill in stitches attraction with something...so many possibilities if disney would get creative again
I just realized, Epic Universe was announced in 2019 with plans to open in 2023. COVID delayed the the grand opening to 2025 but all signs point to them meeting that goal. Tron was announced at D23 in 2017 with construction beginning in 2018 with completion 5 years later. Even with COVID, that’s 1 ride while Universal is building an entire park in record time apparently. Also, Tron is supposed to be their Hagrid killer. It’s like they’re not even trying.
I’ve been 100% on the same page as you the whole time! Thank you for everything you do
Spot on with ALL of your ideas!!!
tomorrowland in MK should have a similar concept as disneyland paris. It should be like how people thought how the future would look like in the 1950's
Between this video and Offhand Disney's video yesterday, it appears that more and more people believe Tomorrowland - the entire land - requires some overdue attention.
Great minds think alike… different coasts though! Tomorrowland remains a problem for Disney.
@@DSNYNewscast Let's hope Bob Iger fix the TomorrowLand Problem later in 2023.
I think a state of the art Planetarium that seated hundreds would be great.
Spot on Jack! The walk is too long to the rest of Tomorrowland. The ride is a minute, a minute and a half too short! The worst has been the negative exposure to the issue with the seats!
Once again, Jack, you’re absolutely correct.
My dream Tomorrowland revitalization for Disneyland:
1) Remove the Star Wars Launch Bay and use it as the launch platform for Tron Lightcycle Run.
2) Weave the Tron Lightcycle track over and through the existing show buildings and make use of the defunct people mover track/area.
3) Move Star Tours to Galaxy’s Edge. It’ll give people one more thing to at GE and open space for a new motion simulator attraction in TL.
4) The proposed motion simulator attraction can be revamped and re-themed much easier over the years. It can be based on new/imagined cutting edge technologies.
5) Convert the cars in Autopia to solar powered electric vehicles. Yes, it’s not futuristic but at least those noxious gas fumes will be removed, but more importantly, it promotes a green, sustainable future.
6) Add an overall futuristic LED/neon lighting package to the entire land.
7) Add more greenery that showcase sustainable agricultural methods.
8) Revamp existing Buzz Lightyear and Nemo rides into exciting, science-based rides. Disney IP’s that promote scientific advancement (like Big Hero 6, Wall-E, or upcoming films) could work well in Tomorrowland.
Great video totally agree with all your points the tomorrow land problem is a really problem for Disney world great video🎉
Love your song!
I do wish Disney would streamline the lighting in tomorrowland now with the tron blue.
I remember in an early concept art for SHDL, Tron was much longer, it went to the Jetpack ride position then went back.
TRON IS FINALLY OPEN!
Brilliant idea! That would have been so much more awesome than another ride being tacked on to the back of Tomorrowland!
Disneyland should take out the Star Wars launch bay thats taking up so much space and add a ride there. Also, the fact that it’s going to take epic universe (an ENTIRE theme park) around the same time it took for Disney to open Tron is crazy. It’s like they’re not even trying anymore 😔
The Tomorrowland problem only exists in the US. Every single international park has a cohesive, timeless Tomorrowland. Tokyo's seems like a good model to go off of for a MK Tomorrowland retheme. Hong Kong's would be a good model to go off of for DL since their astro orbiters are so similar.
I wish they had made it more like the Tomorrowland movie “city”. That would have been neat.
The Magic Kingdom’s Tomorrowland issue can’t be solved with canopy because the problem would still be what’s under that canopy. They need a plan to create innovative, novel attractions in place of the Laugh Floor, Stitch’s old spot and the Speedway. Their #1 problem is that they can no longer break away from using their Intellectual Property and do things that accurately fit the land. A ride where we colonize another planet could be fun. Or kind of time travel ride where you jump through time and meet Walt Disney and then jump into the future to see Disney World in 100 years. IDK…but there are so many possibilities if you don’t tie yourself to IP.
There will be a video about the 100th birthday of the Walt Disney Company. I've known many lucky 100s:
The 100 dollar bills
The 100th birthday of Giant (which is this year along with the Walt Disney Company)
The century-old veterans of our country as well as the founders of Smuckers Jelly
Chef Gulibaud having told Linda Flynn-Fletcher 100 times to never answer a phone call during cooking class
Candace Gertrude Flynn becoming the 100th contestant, winning the chance to sing on stage with Phineas and the Ferb Tones
Perry the Platypus's 100th battle with Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz (he couldn't make it)
Earth's first growth
Oh! Yeah that canopy idea would be much like @ Tokyo Disneyland. Protect the guests from rain & heat. Panels could also have random messages on them like Welcome to the Future. It's also a relatively "easy Fix" on so many levels. Great point made about 6 yrs. and being able to ride.
Couldn’t agree more
I love the idea of the canopy covering a major section of tomorrowland. I've been thinking the same thing for years now for similar reasons. It would revitalize the land and add shade and rain cover to the area. It could have also have been easily used to give subtle additions to the nighttime shows by programming the lights to the show somewhat. Especially if this covered parts of tonorrowland speedway which desperately needs a makeover. Could also add more futuristic cars such as a more sports like version of the autotopia car made for Disneyland but could be an electric vehicle. Would make the whole land seem more futuristic
LOVE the Rent reference, lol! 😂😅
I think the Tomorrowland Speedway really holds back the land as it looks dated and smells like old lawnmowers. Disney should replace the cars with electric versions that have LEDs in the wheels like the lightcycle coaster does. A retheme of the queue area would also help. Given Disney's sustainability push, moving to electric would help with that.
While I like the idea of the coaster weaving around other attractions, I wonder if that would have limited redevelopment potential, especially around Carousel of Progress.
Jack where are you from? Your accent is amazing, your videos are perfectly narrated and produced. Thank you for sharing and keep on making your great Disney content.
I like the idea of extending the canopy farther. Some cover and some open for the area. I have to chuckle about the guests who used to ask about the bubble over the whole park. They would get some of what they expected.
A 60-second ride? Holy cats.
I keep say that, the only way to fix the Tomorrowland problem is to base the land & rides on a utopic retrofuturist aesthetic. Make the land into a future we dreamt should've been by now, just not the future we ended up or likely never end up living in.
Tomorrowland rehab ideas: put ANYTHING in great escape… literally anything. When it opens, gut and remake buzz light year and make it futuristic (I.e. AR like Mario kart ride) gut carousel of progress. Throw in a show, or something… whatever… once those are done, revamp space mountain and maybe put a new show in monsters. Throw in a high end restaurant that’s themed really well, and bobs your uncle. Yes that is all easier said than done, but I mean… tomorrow land is now broken down yesterday land.
Always thought that Tomorrowland needs to be themed more in the way the other lands are. I think the 90s revamp had some of that idea. The idea of the sort of old fashioned future, with rockets and robots, etc was a good one. Having a "transit authority" and having things take place in the Tomorrowland convention center, etc were fun ideas. But why not more like other lands with decorations including the fake store fronts and shops seen in corners of Fantasyland and Liberty Square? You know, a door with a Robot Repair Shop sign or things like that.
I LOVED your idea! I believe it really would have worked, and what a wonderful and effective way to avoid the scorching Florida sun!
I’m excited to see the development of the Tomorrowland revamp at Tokyo Disney. If anyone can solve the Tomorrowland problem it is the team at that incredible park!
I love the idea of expanding the canopy all over Tomorrowland, connecting it all together.
I've been fanatically watching the Walt Disney Company's corporate hierarchy since the events surround Saul Steinberg and greenmail (1984) and something happened at the shareholder's meeting that none of the Disney commentators seem to be talking about. Company CEO Bob Iger remarked that the WDW parks welcome 50 million guests a year. Now aside from the fact that this means that (on the average) there are 136,000 consumers at WDW every day (wow!) it's also newsworthy to mention that this is the first time in decades that a Disney company representative has publicly referenced a statistic related to attendance. Typically the company does not release those numbers.
i like your idea for what should have been in tomorrowland. that probably would have been cool AF - but then we would have to ask whether the peoplemover should go.
I dont think MK Tomorrowland should even be discussed until DLR Tomorrowland is addressed.
Such an interesting subject to talk about, i completely agree with the outdated topic of Tomorrowland and how expanding the architecture of Tron would’ve solved this land’s most noticeable issue. It’s insane how Disney took 5/6 years to build a REPLICA of an existing attraction, while universal will build a whole new theme park in that same time frame. Lot to think about
Excellent points
Great analysis as always 👀
That concept you made with the canopy on top of Tomorrowland just made me go WoW. It's a bummer that today's Disney is more focused on duplicating attractions than creating new ones...
How is the mechanical state of space mountain? How long until the will need to gut the track and rebuild it?
Yup. You are correct
There are alot of smaller and cheaper things they could do to bring the land up to scratch. Remove the rest of the 1994 theming and return it back to the original 70s theme. Replace the concrete to Match Tron area. New lighting to match with Tron. Definitely get rid of the rocks at the entrance too. It really wouldn't cost them much at all and would just give the whole area a more unified look.
Jack, great content as always. Just wanted to say your mic sounds a little over compressed. It is better quality than the yeti you used to use, but it is so mid bass heavy. Maybe an eq could be used to scoop some of that out. Either way, Cheers for the content!
Thanks for insight if you could message me privately via Twitter or Instagram I can share the setting I use and maybe you couldn’t advise as I’m not an audio expert.
What did Disney did in 94 was a great solution to their problem. They created a fictional story behind it which allowed them more freedom and flexibility in their attractions so they didn’t feel pressured to change things so much . Now what they did was in the cheapest way possible try to revert to the old ways and it looks terrible. Tomorrowland is still a mess when there’s now 3 different themes mushed together . They have vacant spots in some of their old attractions and have dead spaces in others. And their solutions to these spaces are fundementally the opposite what it’s theme is with cheap ip integration
9:04 Remind me, who said, "You can't top pigs with more pigs." ?
Doing a similar advertising campaign, where it promotes a whole land is not “you can’t top pigs with pigs” territory 😂 NOW IF I were to say “do another New Fantasyland advertising campaign” that would be a sequel. But advertising A New Tomorrowland isn’t the same, as Tomorrowland wouldn’t be changing its name, it would just be an advertising tagline used for the marketing material.
Three suggestions about Tomorrowland. First, Tomorrowland Raceway needs to be replaced for numerous reasons. Smell, noise and for the environmental reasons. It should be replace with another futuristic thrill ride. Second, a handicap elevator to the loading platform for the People Mover. Third, Carousel of Progress needs to be replaced with something more up to date. It is 50 years old and has seen better days. Universal's Epic Universe can draw visitors away from Magic Kingdom Tomorrowland
Walt’s secondary theme of Tomorrowland is travel. Go with that. I’m not talking technology (nobody can guess future technology) but rather future travel locations like Journey to the Center of the Earth, Mission Space, and the Tokyo 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea. There are a lot of examples of attractions throughout the world that could be used that are proven winners. Star Tours and Space Mountain would actually fit in this. I also love the 50’s futuristic vibe mixed with incredible lighting effects for the overall land too. If only. This fixes the “Tomorrowland Problem.”
In retrospect, I think I prefer the Atomic Age Tomorrowland to this new/old sanitized look.
Excellent point of view
I believe that Space Mountain will close soon for refurb.
Better than trying to tie Star Wars to Tomorrowland, I suppose. Might make more sense in a park like EPCOT, but at least Tron deals w/futurism than something like Star Wars, which takes place in a "galaxy far, far away".
An easy improvement for Tomorrowland is to convert the Speedway to EVs.
Imagine if Disney did this with Disneyland & brought back the Peoplemover as well. These are great ideas Jack!
I think more Jack videos should break out into Rent covers lol 😂
They need to fix two things in Old tomorrow land replace monster ic and the old stitch escape area stitch, opened and fall of 2004 in monsters Inc. open summer 2007
Brilliant analysis of the problem, with a great solution that brings a sense of awe, which is vital to keep this land enjoyable, marketable, and true to Disney’s overall vision. May I make a suggestion for a future Broadcast? Could you address the problem of this paste-on addition by speaking about the history of the more complete Tomorrowland updates of the past, including those of Disneyland. I believe it would be incredibly informative to your viewers If you were to review the aesthetic of the 1971 tomorrowland, and then examine the way that the 1994 retro-future-update addressed the Tomorrowland problem. In essence, by coming up with a framing device that gave logic to the variety of styles on display, an Interplanetary expo. There was a real idea there, whatever anyone thought of the aesthetic. I think what I like most about your solution today is that it unifies a bunch of pieces much in the way that the 1967 Tomorrowland peoplemover created a sweeping ribbon throughout that update and made everything seem new.
The only problem with the Tomorrowland theme is our view of tomorrow. We had an optimistic view in the 50s and now we have a dystopian view. I love the 50s version. I think we should stick with that era.
I was just at Disney World last week, and the Tron Cycle fortunately had a soft opening that week! I rode it, and I can safely say it is worth it!
Though one thing you failed to mention about the Tron Coaster: part of the reason why it was such a long wait before its opening was largely due to the pandemic.
I really think Disneyland's Tomorrowland is in worse shape than Disney World's, as that has a lot of things that need to be fixed about it.
I love your ideas. Disney needs to use your approach at Disneyland.