An Excruciatingly Deep Dive into the Avatar Theme Park
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2018
- Disney World has an Avatar theme park and I'm going to teach you all about it for an hour! Trending tab here I come!!
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Avatar 2, 3, 4 or 5 will NEVER replace the first one
Yes, that's why they're sequels
Avatar 6 though....
@@SugaryCoyote
... is a mastahpiece! ~here comes the money~
whe... did these movies come out, and I missed them? There's still only one movie still, right? Or what timeline am I in?
TheVeR01 I'm p sure there's I only the first movie. Since the second one doesn't come out till Dec. 2020.
They should have said all the people working there were Navi in reverse-avatar bodies, and have them all act like aliens badly trying to impersonate humans.
David Newgreen it would slightly work too, because Navi can’t breathe the same air as humans
If I think about it cynically, it's probably because it would be a subliminal message about the Na'vi adopting Earthling culture and using their own as a means of profit.
More likely, however, is just that not one Disney Imagineer had this awesome idea. :I
I think people give corporate imagineers too much credit.
Aliens acting like humans acting like aliens acting like humans.
Kyle Frank Yeah, it’d be like a weird reflection of that stereotype of natives building casinos and shit.
Where are all the Na'vi?
*Buys skin-like Na'vi t-shirt*
Huh, I wonder where they all are?
*Buys authentic pair of Na'vi ears*
Oh well, I guess they went...elsewhere
*Buys Na'vi tail*
_They've been there the whole time just offscreen!_
😂😂😂
*TO SERVE MAN!!! IT'S A COOK BOOK!!!*
OH NO
NO WAIT. *WE'RE THE NA'VI NOW*
*WE'RE TURNING INTO FURRIES*
What would be really funny is if they said, "Oh yeah! The avatar technology goes both ways!" and just have some people walking around claiming to be Na'vi in human avatars
Would have solved the lack of Na’vi problem and would have made it seem like the Na’vi are getting something out of the arrangement too.
That would've been a pretty creative solution, tbh! Imagine the employees getting to pretend to be Na'vi adjusting to "human Avatars" and getting to complain about how different their tastebuds, height differences, lack of tail, etc. are. You could come into work and get to amble around the park, cheerfully explaining Na'avi culture to guests and explaining that you don't look like a normal Na'vi because you're trying out the Avatar technology as part of a xenocultural exchange program with the humans.
And they could do something to make them look taller or just hire like, really tall people! They'd probably also have to have the Na'vi actors wear something Na'vi related that only staff can have to say "This is an "actual" Na'vi, ask them about Na'vi stuff."
@@chocomelo454 bigass lanyard that says "human in training" or something lmao, I'm picturing those "unaccompanied minor" signs that kids used to wear when traveling 🤣
honestly this is a brilliant solution that would solve so many problems with this park at once. It explains, where the hell the Navi went, it shows that they actually 1) ARE getting something out of this park 2) Are in fact cool with it and given control over how the park works and how it represents their culture 3) Greatly reduces the cultural appropriation undertones and just turns it into regular consensual tourism.
Honestly the drum performers should have been the "human avatar navi", it would have made the most sense. Plus things like Navi facepaint would not have been so icky as a concept if the Navi themselves were doing it on humans
I learned from a Disney cast member that the shaman of songs animatronic gets taken into an underground area every night and has security cameras that watch it continue to do basic movements all night because the imagineers are so worried that if it ever stops moving they won't be able to get it moving again.
this sounds like a fnaf x disney fangame waiting to happen
thank you so much for this knowledge. this is genuinely the most hilarious insane thing i’ve ever heard of happening at disneyworld
Thats some Adeptus Mechanicus shit right there
Lol tha k you for telling us this. That is wild
This is the most relatable thing as someone who did robotics for a bit. It is not if it will break but when it will break.
This is like bad appropriation of a culture that doesn't exist.
The _best_ kind of appropriation.
Courtney Johnson isn’t the Na’vi face paint essentially like alien blackface
@@fyrefrost1898 Yeah but only Americans lose their shit when they see people painting their faces to resemble other people. The only reason why Europeans cease to uphold their centuries' old traditions that involve people with their faces painted black is because American media and political personalities practically bully them into it, even though nobody there seems to have a clue what the hell is even supposed to be wrong with it.
@@yarpen26
tl;dr Blackface in Europe has different, less insulting historical connotations than it does in America, but for the most part it's still quite common where traditionally applicable. Also I personally would have liked to see some references to American history regarding the Na'vi's similarity to Native Americans and how ACE is different than RDA (and thematically, America) despite the results of their encroachment on Na'vi land being extremely similar(No Na'vi around except in pictures showing how happy they were to have ACE moving in).
I currently live in the Netherlands and I can assure you, Black Pete (blatant blackface, though far less demeaning than American Vaudeville) is very much alive and well. Although I have to say I agree with Jenny on the weird, sinister overtones of normalizing the aftermath of colonialism. I don't think this was done on purpose -- the park's designers were probably just making it based on what they see as the best outcome of a foreign (and definitely capitalist since this is an American park owned by an American company) people settling in an already inhabited land -- but by trying not to have a political message despite the very political themes of the Avatar movie (specifically in regards to nature vs industrialization and natives vs settlers) ends up having a very similar effect to trying to bury a violent past beneath a mask of cooperation.
This is just my two cents, but I think if Disney had embraced the thematic similarities between the Na'vi and the Native Americans and mixed in just a few tasteful references to American history, the park could have ended up far more meaningful to people since many -- dare i say most -- Americans have a stronger emotional connection to American history than the Avatar movie. I can see why they didn't do this since it would open them up to criticism from both liberals and conservatives, but I think it would have done added a lot more to American culture than just another place to spend money trying to forget which world you live in.
@@yarpen26 There's a big difference between painting your face black for longstanding cultural reasons and painting your face black specifically to caricature or make fun of people with darker skin.
Plot Twist: they finally open Beastly Kingdom, but it's really just a huge park devoted to the movie Beastly
The comment I needed
🤣🤣🤣😅
This is the best one
Thanks for the gut laugh oml
YESS!
Those weird pictures of the Navis working with the humans and all that lore stuff about how great they get along really remind me of those old film reels I've seen oil companies make about my tribe.
"Look at the smiling waving Indians, they are so happy that we've built all these oil rigs on their land providing vital jobs-"
It would be very ballsy if Disney went ahead and added lore about how 90 percent of the Navi died out from measles, and then the survivors were all diabetic because Disney introduced coca cola to them.
godddd that would be so dark
For me, it made me think of this creepy WW2 propaganda film the American government made, filming the Japanese-American citizens they had rounded up to be kept in internment camps. They were filming these scared looking families, with a voice-over saying something along the lines of: "These Japanese-American citizens are so happy to be working hard for our country, and are grateful for the work we're giving them!" I felt so bad.
This comment slaps so hard
@@PissyLissy Jesus
@@PissyLissy That's incredibly unsettling.
Revisiting this video 3 years later the day after Jenny uploaded a _four hour_ video about the Evermore theme park and it's adorable how this "excruciatingly deep dive" was (barely) under an hour.
came here for the exact same reason lol
I literally found a comment I made when this video first came out that’s like “idk if my commitment issues can handle an hour long video about a theme park I don’t care about”.
Fast forward 3 years when I watched the 4 hour long Evermore video in one sitting, with no hesitation, even though I have even less free time now 💀
@@artemiswolf4508 ME MAN ME TOO
* me too man me too
I too watched this video for the billionth time. It's just so wild to see a park with some issues but the genius of imagineers behind it in comparison to a park with an imaginative millionaire behind it. I think it's fascinating to compare the two. Where there are both honest critiques but one is...keenly detailed, thought out,and funded to the brim
disney should have built beastly kingdom as a tie in to the extremely successful and still relevant film beastly (2011) starring alex pettyfer and vanessa hudges
Beauty and the Beast (2017)... Beastly... Fantastic Beasts... Beastly Kingdom... I only cover topics involving beasts
i giggled at this for too long
@@JennyNicholson What are you suggesting? *eyebrow wiggle*
😂😂
When Jenny said beastly kingdom this is exactly where my mind went
The Na'vi now live on reserves, hidden from tourists. But they're perfectly OK with it guys! The -propaganda- pictures and notes on the walls prove it!
I feel like it’s much more sinister than that. Those “air-purifying” pods probably poisoned the air for the Na’vi. That, and human diseases probably killed them all off. The Na’vi in the pictures were probably the last few left as the park was completed (probably with slave labor).
"Smile for the picture and you get extra gruel rations, filthy blueskin!"
It’d be awesome if there was a deep deep backstory where the Navi execute a WestWorld style takeover of the ACE park
i need an entire lore video
Maybe the sequels will explain this? If anyone watches them?
I love how the Avatar flavored pop corn is colored blue. Like, I'm trying to think of everything blue in Avatar and I'm really drawing a blank, except for the Na'vi.
So I guess we know what they did with all the Na'vi. Kept that one in the river ride alive for sport, the cruel bastards.
Lots of the fake animals in Avatar were blue tho afaik
Yeah and human popcorn in skin coloured…
@@gabsolute I mean people disappear all the time.
Although that's fun and whimsical we have caramel corn and that's similar enough to where I'm not immediately like THE POPCORN IS NAVEEZ
Now with 30% more pureed Na'vi
It's been many years, and I am still so charmed by the employee who says 'have you watched the documentary? This is many years after', as if that's how you talk about documentaries that came out a few years ago. Gonna start saying 'have you watched Walking with Dinosaurs? Well this is many years after that' when I'm next at a zoo
im SO glad someone is finally talking about that line bc i think about the wording choice constantly
“Have you seem Hamilton? This takes place many years after that.”
I feel like a more normal phrasing would be "Have you seen Avatar? It's a very outdated documentary, but still worth watching." That functions both as a promo and context I'd think.
"Did you watch that really old documentary, uh... 'Avatar' or something like that? Y'know, the one that showed some of the first interactions between us and Na'vi, that one. Yeah, it's got some interesting info, but it came out pretty soon after that stuff happened, which was, what, like... thirty years ago at least, wasn't it? It's pretty outdated at this point, I think the rusted out military equipment speaks for itself."
It's definitely long, but it's casual, and feels more organic. That's how I would've handled it, at least.
They really missed an opportunity here by not creating an authentic Pandora park where the atmosphere is extremely poisonous to humans and if you don't wear a breathing mask at all times you will die.
And if they were going to go that far, they should have just made it a Nausicaa themed park. It's about as culturally relevant anyway...actually, that would be pretty cool...
Bimon1234567
Gods that would be SO GOOD
@@dardend4155 I WANT THAT THEME PARK NOW. To keep the immersion they should also revive the God Warriors to exterminate mankind, just for good measure
Yeah im surprised they didn't build it in California too.
Check the end of the vid. Disney asspulled a magic plant that makes the air human-friendly
Ironically the Avatar theme park seems to do a better job of illustrating the evils of colonialism than the actual movie.
The movie is hamfisted and the villains mustache-twirling caricatures. The park works because it is eerie and unintentional due to dissonance between the reality of the park and the lore and exacerbated by certain budget limitations and constrained creative decisions.
The worst part of the movie was when the life tree thing basically declared earth and humans irredeemable non-life and the protagonist's only option to be worthy of the dignity afforded sentient life was to cease being a human and cut himself off from the embodied existence that gave birth to his soul, to his family and to all his ancestors whose evolution was the very font of every good and compassionate impulse he had toward the Na'vi. It broke immersion and told the audience, "You are past redemption." And no one can be spiritually fed by a church of no salvation, which is what the movie's lesson became.
But when you go to the park, you are you, and you come with your own existence, and the official lore says, "Actually humans are fine." The impulse to problematize the situation then comes from inside the more thoughtful guest, and they can extend it as far as they want it to go, without having to be speceistically misanthropic. No one's forcing the narrative that your race is entirely evil down your throat, so you can approach the situation from a more nuanced and realistic and less Manichean perspective.
@@Hesperell ...Except for the fact that the main protagonist (Jake Sully) was the only one to permanently transfer into a Na'vi, as I recall. All the other scientists, y'know, the other human protagonists, got to stick around as humans on Pandora at the end of the film. And I'm fairly certain his desire to change permanently had more to do with wanting to stay with the love of his life (and not be confined to a wheelchair, and be able to breath the local atmosphere) than it did some weird species-based self-flagellation. Besides, if the remaining human forces were truly supposed to be "past redemption" in the films view, why are they allowed to leave rather than being executed after the climax of the film?
So good job on philosophising, too bad it's all built on a big misunderstanding.
But in any case, the fact that you're so deeply insulted by the idea of a sci-fi film saying "Actually humans are a bunch of dicks" (hardly new ground for the genre), even when it DOESN'T say that, speaks volumes about you. It says that you're so rooted in a tribalistic view of the world that even when presented with an entirely fictitious human vs. aliens set-up, you get offended by the humans behaving in a way that humans have done numerous times in our history; i.e. a technologically superior group presuming that it has a right to the resources held by an indigenous population, and waging war to get them simply because it's easier than the alternative.
If an entirely theoretical example of that happening is enough to offend you, I hate to think what your reaction to real life atrocities is. But I can take a guess...
saunz departier It doesn’t work though because I don’t care if that’s the moral. Humans ain’t shit.
Yea it's funny to think about it. It's practically poetic. A movie where space indians have their ecosystem destroyed by colonial marines. And they lay some concrete and chop trees down in a land located in the continent where it all actually happened.
@@Geothesponge111 I love how the villains of the movie were literally gonna massacre an entire race, erase a culture and destroy an ecosystem just for a profit (the mineral they're searching for isn't even essential to survival, it was purely for profit since they mentioned it sold for a shit ton), but they're mad that the god tree thing decided that maybe humans aren't all that great lmao
The idea that a single card translates "bladder polyp" is incredibly insane to me.
and the fact that the word is so shortened makes it seem like it’s an extremely common, almost slang word. what’s up bladder polyp
not to mention, she got duplicates, so there probably arent very many total words in the deck. so bladder polyp was a high priority word 1) for the linguists who invented the language na'vi to translate 2) for them to print on those cards ??
My guess is either 1) whoever was in charge of picking out words to use chose "bladder polyp" at random as a way to indicate Na'vi had their own medical terminology, 2) Jenny unfortunately bought a pack that just got a ton of duplicate cards, and/or 3) the Na'vi have terrible urinary tract infection issues due to the pollution and environmental destruction from the humans continually stripmining their resource-rich planet, so much so that they ended up developing this word as a way to indicate this was a nasty symptom of their failing health.
@@thejasminedragonmerchant6843my burdened heart believes our world can handle the latter and in Avatar 3 we explore a volcano where they cured Na'Vi Cancer with just like, ash and spit. It's my right
"Bladder Polyp" is the name of some alien plants that grow on the surface of Pandora, so I assume that that is what it is referring to. However, that does mean that someone decided to name a plant "bladder polyp" and no one decided that there should be a different name.
Disney: we can't have Na'vi characters wandering around in our park, because our characters need to be 100% accurate and they'd have to be ten feet tall!
Also Disney: Mickey Mouse is actually a grotesque monster with a head the size of a yoga ball :)
Mickey mouse is a cartoon made of simple shapes. If you think HIS costum looks weird, imagine how weird and misshapen a more complex, people-shaped creature would look as a suit
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the imperialism implications of the idea of "get your face painted like this native species that has now disappeared" are dizzying
It's (albeit made-up culture) cultural appropriation!
@@eteline_music i mean in context isn't it like... analogous to blackface?
@@thomasstone3480 Yeah, it is. Or, more accurately, those racist Native American Halloween costumes
What a great alagory for Native American U.S history and relationships."Yeah they love us being here Ah they're not here right now but they taught us their music Yeah!"
"Here's some pieces of plastic you can put on a string to replicate their look. Here's their skin as a costume. They're cool with this I promise. No, you can't ask them right now."
@@aurora5481 right
@@aurora5481 "Also yeah when we first came we were murderous dicks but the second time around we sent a nicer group and it was aaaaall fiiiiine even if w did basically the same again"
It's almost poetic
Avatar both appropriates Native American culture AND dehumanizes them, it’s an impressive feat of ignorance.
its unintentionally ironic. its laughably sad
Jenny: Oh he doesn’t bite does he?
Pandora Employee: He could, you just can’t make him mad.
(starts making the toy bite Jenny)
OH NO!
Pandora Employee I see you and Disney does not deserve you 😭
that was her friend, i think
@@imnot9orsilentgamer437 no it was an employee
when doe sthis happen?
@@mAssbagflyer 50:04
@@imnot9orsilentgamer437after my 60th rewatch I believe you were right. This comment is now redacted 🥲
i think this park concept is especially insidious given how much it parallels the actual issues with tourism in hawaii, where tourism extremely negatively affects kanaka maoli and causes rent prices to skyrocket and huge amounts of cultural appropriation and homelessness. not to mention problems like police brutality, where kanaka maoli are disproportionately the victims of police compared to white settlers. it really shows a lack of respect for any indigenous people at all, even without the cheap headdresses, drum circles, and fake turquoise. an indigenous paradise that has been completely stripped of indigenous people, except for their easily consumable culture, is a colonizer’s dream.
Completely agree, Kanaka Maoli born and raised in Hawai’i and I can help but think about the packaged experiences you get when your at a resort. I think because the way James Cameron created the Navi was WAY too close to western ideas of native cultures - especially native Americans, it’s almost impossible to not draw similarities to real life history. Growing up I LOVED avatar because it felt like a “what if” story of the people who malama aina came out on top so the land can give back to us. I only recently learned that Cameron never really had much respect for the cultures he was taking inspiration from, and this is an even more diluted version of his vision.
Don't forget thw horrible cultural appropriation in the actual avatar movies and James Cameron's comments about hoe native american genocide happened because they didn't try hard enough. This whole franchise is built on appropriation and justification of colonialism
How does one become an evil colonizer?
@seriouscat2231 it's quite easy, all you have to do is find some land which belongs to someone else and start colonizing! Fun for the whole family!
My favorite thing about Avatar is that there are countless horror movies that have essentially the same plot of the movie if it were told from the Naavi perspective. An alien species lands on your native planet and start controlling genetically engineered lookalikes of your species to try and take over. Avatar or Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
Oh my god you’re right! Why didn’t Disney think of this lmao
What's even scarier is that both Avatar and Invasion of Body Snatchers feature pods as a key plot point, as a convenient invasion technique. Coincidence... I wanna say not, but then Jenny's glowing pod just brainwashed me to plant all those strange seeds being mailed to us, so I'm now forced to deny any of the pod's questionable actions.
Earth man's method of trying to connect with another planet's inhabitants in this film is like White people trying to connect with an African tribe by wearing Blackface. It's demeaning, insulting and creepy.
H.G Wells: Hmm... if only someone could write a novel about this?
Actually Avatar is a [overly long and boring ] remake of "Dances with Wolves" and "Pocahontas"
fun fact - Animal Kingdom doesn't use the "natahzu" tag anymore bc they were recognized officially by the zoological association, and they are actually a zoo now. I learned that when I was working there, and I died.
"Eetzahzu!!"
I'm assuming they carried you off the premises before pronouncing you dead? Gotta maintain that "no one's ever died here" line.
So now it's *ahzu*
@@lemonferret This whole thread was worth it just for you my friend
A few employees called it “nah-tah-theme-park”, because for tax purposes it was a zoo.
I don't know what's worse. The fact that they head literally only one Navi and it was shown only briefly at the end of an otherwise underwhelming boat ride, or the fact that that one Navi was literally the _best_ animatronic I have ever seen in my entire life. How in the hell could they not make room in their budget to build atleast a few more of those??? Like maybe one that plays drums for the drum show??? Or one that's like a guide that tells you were to find different things in the park?????? It'd be one thing if they couldn't make a convincing Navi animatronic but if they can make them _that_ good then I can literally think of dozens of places they could have put these things. Like, I'm sure they're probably very expensive but for the love of god it is DISNEY they have basically infinite money.
it was a ten million dollar animatronic, and the amazing as it is, it's never going to be fully paid for; it's massive and complex (I believe at the time it was built it was the most intricate animatronic ever created) and disney has to keep robotics staff on hand to maintain and repair it when it malfuctions, which i'm told it does fairly frequently. I'm pretty sure that it has to be lowered to the reapir area every night with security cameras on it to be in a state of constant simple motion because of the fear from imagineers that if the dang thing stops, it'll never start again. With a complex robot like that, it's not a matter of if it'll break down, but when and for how long.
now take those logistics and add another two equally expensive and complex robots. the costs in staffing for maitanence alone would be astronomical.
@@hinoname3954 counter point: Disney has billions and billions of dollars
@@degiguess sure, but those have to be divided SO many ways. Entertainment and merch production and distribution, multiple parks and hotels, ip acquisition, payroll for roles by the millions ect. If you broke it down it makes complete sense that they wouldn’t have money to route toward even TWO more animatronics that would cost ten of millions EACH to design, program, build, and operate when they struggle to maintain one and the park is “sufficient” as is. At least not until the ip has brought in more money via the next movie.
Ok but they have billions of dollars and Disney is a money printing factory quickly acquiring every thing surrounding it. We want more animatronics. I agree that it would be way to problematic logistically to have it anywhere in the park in plain sight, but like, stick in slightly more obscure places.
Apparently, it's barely functional and shuts down all the time
I am half Cherokee and the avatar movie kinda spoke to me as a kid, because I didn't have much reference to that culture as a kid that wasn't either a bloodbath that would scar me or so watered down it couldn't show the culture and I saw a lot of the mindsets and culture of my family in the movie. As a kid I loved it sooooo much, I got ever videogame I could, I got the movie, every directors cut, every bit of merchandise I could get my hands on, and I still keep a pin I got from the ultra edition for the movie in blu-ray on my hat. Going to pandora world brought me back to a time when I was a kid and honestly it was worth every wait, every dollar of overpriced food, and every foot blister for walking around for hours. I loved it and it meant a lot to me
that’s such a sweet story 💗
That's pretty lovely to hear actually
That's really cool to hear and I'm glad it brought you so much joy!
I'm so happy for you. 💞
haha i totally get this too - i'm metís and my mom and i always loved stuff like pocahontas, and i was so excited not just to see my home province but also real native people in the revenant! like, sure, would it be good to have actual good representation? of course! but when that's all you have, especially growing up, you make do! i really liked dances with wolves and avatar when i saw them because they were ABOUT me, even if they weren't FOR me. maybe kids these days with reservation dogs and rutherford falls will feel differently, but for our generation, we took what we could get 😅
So people turned up, befriended the natives, learned their culture, wiped them out and then sold it off?
I thought this was meant to be a fantasy park.
That is the ultimate fantasy
@@BradTheAmerican are you joking?
@@benedictdwyer2608 Yes
@@BradTheAmerican ok, I was just worried you actually thought this was a completely fictional thing, or thought it was a good thing that that happened to the Native Americans
@@benedictdwyer2608 I'd usually put /s at the end to note sarcasm but this time I thought the absurdity of it would make that more obvious. However, given that there are literally people out there who say things like that with actual sincerity, maybe I should have put it there anyway.
Love how Disney managed to culturally appropriate something they invented
@@ThelouwseFD That was even worse. Like they had so many people work so hard on something that they were hired for, only for it to turn out perfect and get discarded
This shouldn't even be technically possible. No, it isn't.
@@ThelouwseFD thanks for the recommendation, that was depressing :I
It's almost impressive in its oddity
@@ThelouwseFD that video lives in my head rent free. What a stunning example of hubris, such a waste of money and talent. I want to see it adapted as a Greek tragedy
I'm wondering how the park is going to deal with the changing canon of the Avatar Universe? The second movie’s depiction of Earth-Pandora relations is quite far from the harmonious co-existence of the park's lore. The cast member's innocuous comment shown in the video “What happened with the RDA will never happen again” really has a darker undertone now.
i can only assume that the story of the park now takes place in a different canon or something
The third Avatar should be completely about reconciling the difference between the world of the theme park and the story of Avatar 2. You could even go the extra mile and film scenes at the park with employees playing their own characters in a sort of bizarre crossbreed of Escape from Tomorrow and Jimmy Cameron's Avatar. It would be totally insane, and terrible, and I would love it.
Hey! I actually work at Flight of Passage! So the whole point of the park is it Takes place over a generation after the 5th movie. But also James Cameron, planned Pandora after he wrote the main parts of the scripts for the most of the movies.
Basically pur story is meant to be completely selective from the main story. ACE came in later to try and fix everythinf
@@jasonfenton8250 Escape from Tomorrow was so bad though
Avatar 2: "It happened again."
The fan forums make this extremely charming for me. I wonder how many of those people have visited Pandora since it opened. I know it was the biggest movie of 2009 or something but for fandom purposes it’s tiny and obscure. Imagining a giant property taking your tiny obscure fandom thing and then making it into a million dollar totally immersive disney world park…I hope they like it
God that is the dream right? I hadn't thought of it that way.
avatar is atually the #1 grossing movie of all time
@@banchii1576
And that’s pretty much the only reason anybody remembers it even exists
The weird colonialist undertones feel very fitting. Like Disney would be the sort of corporation to think it is genuinely doing good while actually screwing over the native peoples.
No, they wouldn’ think they’re doing good. I’m sure the guys who run Disney are perfectly aware of how evil the corporation is.
They just don’t care as long as it makes money.
But yes, the colonialist undertones are very fitting for them 🤣
I think that's a pretty charitable view of them. Like...imagining Disney to basically be the British in the Andaman Islands rather than the British in mainland India is probably the nicest view anyone can have of them while operating in good faith. I look forward to, a few decades from now, seeing which one plays out in their actual colonialist acquisitions.
Don't they have a little resort type deal in Hawai'i? And aren't there also little resort type deals in the Caribbean tied to their cruise lines? Disney's Pandora experience is probably like, the very first time they've done this kind of a "celebrate with the native peoples while on their land with them nowhere in sight" shtick without facing a shit ton of protests from actively fucked over "native peoples."
elfarlaur Exactly. Listening to her describe it makes me feel a little nauseous
I wish thy would've done the narrative that you're part of the research team :(
Could you imagine if, in Disneyland, they had a Peter Pan show that was just a random guy in loose fitting clothing explaining that, while he wont be showing up, Peter taught him how to fly and fight pirates (who also wont be showing up)?
sounds like all the fun!
“I know a place just like that...”-
Stares dreamily of into space
That is the most random comment I have seen
Steven Irizarry
Why doesn’t it surprise me it was pinned by Jenny
This my good sir was a very good comment - thank you
27:05 The ride sounds eerily and unfortunately similar to the ayahuasca tourism industry. I wonder if in the Avatar universe, there's now an ayahuasca-esque problem where actual Na'vi tribespeople can't find enough banshees to do this sacred rite of passage, because they've all been captured/domesticated by ACI for this attraction.
The implications of that on the Navi world is Terrifying
Isn’t Ayahsusca that intense psychological drug that tastes terrible and can get you to suddenly need to throw up, pee or shit?
"Pongu" meaning "party" in navi is hilarious to me because it sounds like the Korean word for "fart" which just makes "cast pongu" even funnier
Universal Studios got Harry Potter World because Disney didn’t want to build a TRAIN? Walt is probably rolling in his train-loving grave
Not just that. They basically really cheaped out on the entire plan. They told JK that they weren’t going to build hogwarts or the train. They offered to build a magical creatures petting zoo (with an animatronic) and a shooting game ride where you fight dark creatures with your wand. Lots of smaller disagreements too, like wanting Disney merch in the Harry Potter shops, character interactions with Harry and the other main cast, and branded items like Coca Cola
Their pitch was also super basic too- I think Yesterworld covered it with how badly they botched their pitch. They really undervalued how much money they could have made with Harry Potter. And then they put a ton of money into a film people mostly thought had good effects but an uninteresting/problematic story
I can't believe I forgot how much Walt loved trains, god he'd have been ALL over that train concept! plus doesn't HP just have that feel to it that Walt would've been adamant about incorporating into the park? I feel like he would've viewed it the same way he did Mary Poppins and Winnie the Pooh, at least the first 3 books
Oh, watch the galaxy’s edge video, she goes IN on it.
"Walt [Disney] is probably rolling in his...* grave."
Good.
(*edit: train-loving, union-busting, HUAC-informing, etc.)
ah yes, my favorite avatar character, *Na'vi Female*
I like this character with my HUMAN BRAIN... *INSERT SMILE HERE*
The idea that in the future employees won't have lunch-breaks is realistic world-building.
A fun way for them to thin out the line a little would be to periodically tell people that they don’t have an avatar that is a genetic match for them. And then they just have to leave.
After paying $80
You'd have to respect the audacity of just telling someone "Yeah no sorry you need to leave"
I’ve watched this video more times than I’ve seen the Avatar movie
Me too, and I’ve only watched this video once.
I actually finished this video.
Yeah, me too, but I’d like to watch Avatar 2
Bro
@@esayers I can't listen to her when I'm trying to fall asleep, because her commentary is interesting. And that kind of wakes me up.
Wait...Na'avi headbands with ears, Na'avi skin shirts, Na'avi tails; THAT's where the Na'avi have gone!
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
Avatar flavoured popcorn.
The answers were right in front of us the whole time.
Soylent Green is Na'avi!!
im going to get myself a Na'vi hand ashtray!!!
holy shit you're right
Some day I will make an earth themed theme park, with human flesh colored candy popcorn.
Omg omg omg the face painting. I worked as a WDW face painter and it *kills* me that this video included the promo. The painter is a manager, one who is well-known in the circles for zero-effort painting (and for never actually being at any of the booths to the point he forgets basic information--but he's *always* there for promos lol). That kid in the promo is wearing a *hot mess* of a full-face design 😆😆😆
I'd love to see some good representations
I feel the kid’s soul die a bit when he has to act impressed with that look. even he can see it
@@gabrielle3960 his reaction is hilarious 😂
#GetJennyNicholsonAPressPassForStarWarsLand
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@MrNiesGuy it's too long.
She works there or used to at least. Maybe not in that specific area but the park.
I approve of this message.
really catchy and easy to read it'll catch on very well let's go
So many things about this that I’m going to be thinking about for the rest of my life. The pod. The kid who didn’t know there’s a movie. The $80 ugly doll. The ball. The cashier who called it “the documentary”. The translator. This video changed my life
The man with one ear fully stretched with a collection of earrings.
My question is:
Can you race those pods?
That ear thing was horrible. If he nods his head too fast, he's going to break his earlobe.
Iconic tbh
Abdega Now this is podracing.
So I recently went to see Avatar 2 and I realized midway through that everything I know about the franchise is from this one video Jenny made, which I've rewatched at least 5 times. I don't think I ever even saw the original Avatar movie?
what a realisation
Good for you! I saw it, and it left no impact whatsoever. Which arguably makes the 162 minutes I spent watching it an even bigger waste than if I'd spent it watching two shorter, actively bad movies.
Avatar's pretty good, I recommend watching it at least once
Please, don't use a question mark if you aren't literally asking a question. Now you're asking the people on the Intenet if you think that way or not.
@@seriouscat2231 serious cat should be more chill cat
It's really fascinating how you can take a story like Avatar, which isn't particularly deep but is basically a story about anti-colonialism and by proxy anti-capitalism, and then commercialise it. It definitely creates a weird dissonance where you're put in a setting where you're supposedly in a world where the simple balance of nature won, but you're there as a tourist and tourism can be pretty damaging to local communities and environments.
Maybe that's the ultimate fantasy theme in the theme park, in the end: the idea that we can visit a beautiful place and pretend that it's for the best that we did.
That last sentence is going to haunt me forever thank you
Shut up
This reminds me so much of Hawai’i and how the residents there have been basically begging tourists to stop coming there since the pandemic
Exactly
"What happened with RDA will never happen again" had the same energy as "there is no war is Ba Sing Se"
Alpha Industries are still a for-profit company, it will happen again, in the same way the East India Company gained favour in India over their european rivals for being the most culturally sensitive and least violent... until they could make more money by being violent that is
avatar meet avatar
@@spinecho609 you may be overthinking this
@@TheRambunctious ironically, this is a joke comparison, so you instead may be overthinking this
@@roelin360 did I ask?
You'd think the translator would be a great product if they just had a ton of Navi writing around the park and you point the thing at it like a QR code, and so people who buy them would just get the novelty of a ton of little easter eggs around the park.
That... makes too much sense.
The problem with this is that I am pretty sure that the Na'vi officially have not developed writing, so...
@@anteroinen4239 maybe during the time between the war with humans and them selling their land to a tourism company they made a written language
@@feelmypuddle4963 Eh, considering their culture and the environment it seems pretty unlikely. It isn't like the Na'vi need it for anything, since it seems they've still kept themselves to a totally nomadic lifestyle. I am sure their linguist told them as much (it sounded like he was the one pronouncing stuff from the cards by the way, adorable, I love that he's still working on this stuff).
Anteroinen maybe it’s humans writing in Na’vi? I’m learning Lakota (and they don’t have a written languages) so I put little labels on all the things in my house so I can look at them and call them by their Lakota name
The park is just really weird and seems almost bootleg in a way ? Like its all a bit half-baked. The colonizer theme also is kind of uncomfortable. But the main issue is that Avatar is just not part of our "human culture", it never gets cross-referenced like Star Wars or Harry Potter in other shows and public discourse, it just exist in its own isolated bubble and has been forgotton. You can tell they were grabbing at straws to make this happen somehow, even tho the OG world is just jungle with not that much to it.
If you want to see bootleg,watch the Evermore video. It isn't bootleg, it's an odd,, irrelevant and problematic IP but a gorgeous,intricately detailed,complete park.
I loved this. Jenny has a special way of delivering her material - it’s this blend of earnestness and sarcasm. You never quite know which one it is.
Still can't shake off how disturbing the metaphor for Native Americans and treating them like a total fucking novelty instead of actual people is here. It's just so strong and something feels wrong about it.
@2D’s blue-ty shorts Well it’s not directly representing a Native American tribe, it’s fiction. Fictional place, fictional beings. A fictional theme park area where parents take their kids is doing no harm. Besides I can assure you that A) no child is going to instantly correlate Native Americans when they see tall blue cat people, and B) there are actual real problems facing Native Americans, and a theme park located and owned by Disney is the very least of their problems or concerns. I mean, do you see any Native activists groups boycotting or writing bad criticisms of the park? No. So I understand what you may think, but if the people that you claim this is hurting don’t seem to give a shit, they why should you?
@@chilly001963 just beacuse its fictional doesnt mean it isnt written in such a way that it feels weird
@@chilly001963 I see your point (especially in your last sentence) and I feel like people can certainly take issues out of context concerning culture. But I feel like this has more to do with the actual themes the source content was taken from. The story of Avatar is basically about a foreign group using militaristic and invasive means to take what belongs to a tribal society for profit. Of course it's only a metaphor for American history but in the vein of 1984, Fahrenheit 451, the Giver, Animal Farm, and Lord of the Flies etc. Fictional stories are powerful ways of conveying political messages. Whether or not it was originally intended to make people feel uncomfortable, (and I doubt it truly was) doesn't detract from the fact that on delivery it appears to be very much a place uninhabited by any it's native population... but completely refitted for tourism and profit. It's not so much as something blatantly offensive as it is a general reminder that this sort of colonial culture is normal.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with people trying to enjoy their hard-earned vacations, especially when most people don't even remember the movie. Kids in Navi costumes are just kids who don't deserve to be haggled over something their just parents bought them. I think the actual issue is that one of the largest corporations in the world, who really do seem to prioritize inclusion and culture sensitivity in most cases, somehow had years to develop this project and never seemed to realize how it would look, and what implications it could have. Or, they did realize, but just didn't care.
"It's not a zoo" is the type of campaign that makes it seem like they're squirreling around some animal safety laws.
That’s a Disney move if I ever saw one
„It‘s not just a zoo“ would have sounded a lot more appealing and less ominous
@@manospondylus4896 i can't find it anymore but i read a comment here saying they actually did this because they legally couldn't call it a zoo when it launched.
@@atomheartother Damn. What was the reason they couldn‘t?
@@manospondylus4896 i wish i had more information but this is a very vague memory of a comment i read somewhere... But I'm sure googling will yield some results x3 but iirc the "zoo" denomination is actually a specific legal thing and they couldn't get it by the time it opened for SOME reason, like you can't just put animals in a park and call it a zoo
In addition to the obvious weirdness of the vague references to American Indian cultures, it's also like...really really gross that they use pretty normal Asian food (boba and bao) to evoke "alien"
Yeaaaah I get the thought process for using boba, but the bao is an odd choice. Heck if you asked me to pick a real world food that feels alien I’d pick something like borscht
I know I’m a year late but yeah… oof. Yikes Disney 😬
If colonialism wasn't enough, you can also walk around their homeland wearing Na'vi face!
im only a minute in but the disney "it's not a zoo!" ad has me in TEARS. How is that a real ad. it feels like something out of parks and rec
i think you mean NATAZHU + random accent marks
I hope they say more in the ad that she didn't show, cuz otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all. It's a zoo with a fake, crappy dinosaur thing added to it. So it's... a zoo, with a dinosaur thing added to it. Which still means it's just a fuckin zoo, and they probably couldn't even get things like penguins because of how humid it is in florida. Unless the penguins are in some big building with the polar bears and stuff.
Matthew Dekker probably because it’s also not an aquarium and representing Asia and Africa (and not the areas that do have penguins) lol
"Nahtahzhu" or whatever probably translates into "This is a zoo".
roguishpaladin it’s literally a made up word by Disney gdjgddhd
My actual favourite thing is how enthusiastic Jenny is in all theme parks and you can never quite tell if it's ironic or genuine because she uses the same deadpan tone of voice for everything, including singing and yelling "whooo!".
the "take this gourd!! yeah!!!" LMAOOO
Legit I believe that she’s playing into the attraction, so legit enjoyment.
Nah she legit enjoys the theme park experience. Even when some of the rides suck and the entire concept of the park is stupid because Avatar is a dead franchise, they can still make a cool bioluminescent jungle with rusting robots.
I think she genuinely just likes being at theme parks.
To be fair, when you go to a theme park. It's hard not to have at least a little fun
Genuinely can't imagine anything I'd find harder to deal with psychologically than a performer making consistent eye contact and then handing me a gourd to shake
I love that she's surrounded by the merch as she details how ridiculous and over priced it is.
In all honesty, I'd love an "An Excruciatingly Deep Dive into The Wizarding World of Harry Potter" too.
I actually found this video because I was looking to see if Jenny had that video.
Yes!!!
I'd like a deep dive into Moulin Rouge, but it seems Jenny mostly does children's movies. Sure Satine is puking blood all over then dies and ruins everything, but the Star Wars style rich against poor/ good against evil plot is worth rambling on about.
My brother and I had a hotel guest only early access pass to both harry potter park locations (meaning we got in a few hours before general tickets allowed entrance). It was incredible to see every little detail they put into the world (down to brick detail, it was perfect). There were maybe 50 park goers there. We spent 2 hours looking at everything in awe and went on the busiest ride a few times before the lines hit. The park opened to the general tickets and the streets where flooded. After that, It was still semi-impressive but a lot of details were more hidden and everyone was in a hurry. Would highly recommend going it is a great experience for Harry Potter fans. Also try the Butter beer both hot and cold, they are awesome!
i need this is my life immediately
Love the irony of dumping out billions of plastic bags as part of an experience dedicated to a quasi-ecological fairytale.
Yeah, I was expecting her to pull out a fancy Avatar-themed paper bag and instead got Pandora plastic. As you said: love the irony. ^^
Don't worry, all the bags say "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" on the top, so it's okay.
@@KaworuNagisa I was expecting like an unbranded woven mesh made to look like plant fibers or something, but I guess plastic was cheaper so
It's tragic how real jungle and swamps got erradicated (with every living thing in them) to create a huge fiction world about conservation.
Can you explain?
@@sharpeningtheaxe ...you know the world wasn't created into existance with Disneyland in it? There was something there before. And in Florida, that was a swamp, full of life. Which was wrecked....so Avatar could be created. It's like that case of them chopping down a bunch of trees to put a huge sign that had a child hugging a tree.
@@AnarchistPoop is there a reason you feel the need to be condescending to someone who is just interested in what you have to say and wanted more information? I didn’t know that the land used to make Pandora was undeveloped prior to the park or that Florida even had jungles. That doesn’t mean I thought theme parks magically appear and that you need to talk down to me. I just wanted to know more about what you were talking about.
@@sharpeningtheaxe I feel like because Jenny is very dry and critical it attracts a kind of crowd who embody that to the point of being rude and condescending. As dry as she is I feel like Jenny is probably pretty welcoming to people and willing to explain things. That's kinda the whole point of her channel. So yeah that was not a cool way to respond.
Iirc, Walt Disney deliberately chose the location for Disneyworld to be undeveloped for a lot of reasons
One of which is not having to contend with city councils and zoning laws. Florida is VERY flat and very wet so the whole state is basically a swampland. It's hard to explain if you haven't been, how much the swamps and wildlife are constantly encroaching. Some very unique creatures have made Florida their home - birds specifically. Those birds are being driven to extinction due to loss of habitat. So that's what they were referring to.
@@alice88wa Thank you for explaining! That’s really sad to hear. I know Disney isn’t the only corporation taking about habitats, but it is disappointing to hear that they’re still expanding into swamplands especially, considering how valuable they are to the environment and the plants, animals, and people who live in and around them.
I still can't believe that Jenny didn't talk about where we _did_ end up with Beastly Kingdom (even though it's mostly gone now).
The Imagineers basically rolled up their designs and went...to Universal. Where they then pitched and constructed The Lost Continent at Islands of Adventure. Anyone ever think Dueling Dragons had Disney-level queue theming? Now you know why.
I’m glad I got to experience DD before it was killed. Fun ride.
@@Andystuff800 TBF better the ride die than any of its riders
Fun fact: Avatar is so damn forgettable that there are only about 160 fanfictions about it on AO3 and if that doesn't just say everything about Avatar I don't know what does
Yeah some people probably get it mixed up with Avatar the Last Airbender.
That's 160 fanfics too many
I bet 50% of that is just fanfics of other fandoms using Avatar as an AU
I thought the real rating was how much R34 there is?
Patrick Mulligan ao3 is short for “archive of our own” and is a popular fanfiction website
"Your movie went from being a smash hit to being less culturally relevant than sonic the hedgehog"
you say the day the movie design was uploaded and instantly became a meme
??? Info?
Hipster Madara I believe there’s a poster for the sonic the hedgehog movie that...doesn’t look great
@@youwhat. be afraid. Be very afraid of this poster.
I couldn't figure out what was the most off putting part of the poster till i realized he had no gloves on@@RadicalZid
Oh i thought they meant avatar not sonic lol
I do need to know how well theme park canon squares with The Way of Water canon, like, right away
Watching this after seeing the real Avatar 2 makes me wonder... How many years after the series does ACE come in to appropriate the Navi culture given the fact it's even more clear how many issues and trauma the presence of humans in Pandora caused.
they need to embrace that ACE is post-colonization and genocide of the na'vi
I don't see why they felt the need to add lore to the theme park because every in lore explanation is real weird
Disney needs to give us the theme park we all really want, a "Trapped In A Island With Josh Hutcherson" theme park.
As long as it's adjacent to an One Direction During The Purge experience.
@@user-lb8gs5up1w and jeff the killer
I'm picturing a creepy ghost train kind of ride where you go through the portrait of Kaitlyn, down this bizarre nightmare tunnel, and then come to a tableau of Kaitlyn's bedroom, with a Kaitlyn animatronic sitting at her computer, posting on Wattpad.
I heard that J. K. Rowling had that train design concept in mind for 20 years.
She says that about all her work.
Jonathan Davies that’s the joke.
the train was actually a disabled black trans woman the whole time
It was the third thing written on her napkin in the coffee shop on that fateful day
@@JennyNicholson it really was a large napkin
The Hogwarts train thing in Florida's Universal Studios is fucking awesome ngl I'm glad they built it. I've never even seen Harry Potter but it was one of my favorite parts of my trip. They have screens on the windows so you can look out the across the same landscapes as the movies, and the doors also have screens that play the silhouettes of characters walking, talking, and getting into shenanigan's in the hallway. It really makes you feel like you're on a magical train from a movie. So, very, very, VERY rare good decision on J.K Rowling's part.
Also Disney REALLY underestimated just how important the train is to Harry Potter fans. Like the idea of riding the Hogwarts train and getting to try butterbeer is more than enough to get them out there and spending money
The issue didn't sound like it was with the train, but with Rowling wanting the train to reverse along the track rather than looping
Watching Jenny pick up a bag of strangely blue popcorn, look at it and go “ooh that’s expired”, jump cut to her eating it, and jump cut to her throwing it up is pure art. Avatar wishes it could master the cinematic tragedy of this,
Aw, you didn't even mention that you could "adopt" a Navi baby plush and rip it away from its family
eXCUSE ME WHAT
RyGuy3323
That’s horrifying.....and hilarious.
Wtf?! How did that get approved?
I don't remember seeing that in the shop. Unless you mean the $80 face print figure?
*flashbacks to the Native American indoctrination boarding schools*
"Where did they go?"
The Na'vi perished shortly after the humans assisted them in relocating to specially reserved enclosures. They seemed to have a toxic reaction to the new blankets they were given.
Luckily, we have preserved their DNA in the Avatar program.
Whew!
the explanation I would have is that the Pod that "purifies" the air for humans to breed drove out the Na'vi as the earth atmosphere would be as toxic to them as the pandoran atmosphere is to us.
@@CathrineMacNiel yours defs sounds like a more realistic explanation, but i think OP was alluding to how actual native americans were (and to a frightening extent, still are) treated by colonists.
i don't think the "preserving their DNA" part has been done yet, though
Headcanon. The Na'vi were recycled into the avatars for tourists.
I just think the phrase "This is way after that documentary" with "this" referring to my modern day real life is the most hilarious way to refer to a film.
Have you seen our documentary on Charles Kane? Well, this is way after that documentary.
Like, yes. It is a recording I watched years ago, that is how time works, but go on.
I noticed that as well. It's a very odd turn of phrase but it definitely made me giggle.
I cannot wait for Avatar 2's butterfly wings to appear as purchasables in this theme park.
Because they exist in the movie solely for that singular purpose - to be merchandise.
The butterfly wings exist for Cameron's Jesus allegory to have visually obvious angel wings.
Oh, when I saw wide-eyed Kiri sailing through the water with the butterfly wings and the gold glowing fish, my immediate thought was the doll they would make of it.
that did not occur to me at all while watching, i was kind of just baffled by their inclusion in terms of plot
Why you gotta diss Dinoland? I think it's hilarious that Africa and Asia get beautiful immersive experiences but America gets a glorified roadside carnival covered in dead animals.
Sounds like america to me
Sounds very symbolic to me.
Sounds like home to me
Sounds like magic to me.
Sounds like extinction to me
The fact that Pandora, the park that's themed to be about conservation, gives out cheap single use plastic bags that are different from the rest of the Disney theme park bags, instead of slightly sturdier reusable bags, still lives rent free in my head
Like, all they had to do was do a paper bag with a printed design instead, and that would be 1000% better than what they actually chose to do, and that's without putting any additional effort in
When we went (October 2021), the entire place really tried to get us to upgrade to a (surprising large and nice) reusable bag for $1. I bought the pandora-style one that is really nice and the massive one at the beginning of the park. They could easily have charge $20 for that as it is a souvenir bag, but I didn't realize the bags in Pandora were regular plastic.
uh, why would you charge an idea rent anywhere
Also all the merch is seemingly just plastic shit that will end up in a landfill. Like, it doesn't even seem high quality enough to make a nice conversation piece or actual collectible at any point in time.
They need everyone you walk by to know that you've been there, and that they should go there too.
For the betterment of the earth!
...Oh wait, I mean Disney CEO Bob's wallet
So, coming back from Way of Water, I have to wonder how they’re going to explain the whole thing where RDA returns with a vengeance and completely obliterates a huge chunk of the forest to build a city. It certainly makes ACE seem all the more sinister…
I’m not into dark headcanons but this whole park feels like “friendly” corporation killed all the navi (except one and she probably lost her mind at this point) and lie to tourist for money.
Also that idea of a empty navi body being forever stuck to that flying lizard thingy (which is presumably sentient enough and not an empty body) is nuts 😂
hi I was the girl who gave you the rum blossom! I've been watching your channel for a very long time, and I've never met a TH-camr or anyone I've recognized before so I EXTREMELY shocked in that moment. I was actually shaking. the reason I remade the drink was because I didn't leave enough room for the rum shot heh. Also the glow seed is 3 big ones but because I adore you I plopped one in your drink. I apologise deeply for how cringey and awkward the transaction was. I've been putting off watching this video because of how awkward I acted Yikes. Anyways bye.
seriously???
Sounds legit to me. I wish there was a way for you to have broken character or hint at you knowing her just a little, but I've worked in an amusement park before. It's hard to keep that focus and talk to people at the same time.
Mad Science Does Jenny seem like that kind of person?
Billy J. Sobolik Hahahaha what??? I wasn't trying to start drama, I just didn't realise the guy before my comment was joking. Honestly, seems like you're the one who's trying to start drama lmao
Don’t worry I would have been nervous too! And it’s so easy to make mistakes when you are anxious. You sound like a lovely person ^^
I was in the gift shop after riding flight of passage and my friend overheard a guest ask a cast member "Do you have any Disney apparel here?" and the cast member responded "Oh, we're not at all affiliated with Disney." My friend recalled that the guest walked away, confused. I think this encounter captures the essence of Pandora.
They maybe should have pointed back to the rest of the park and said "Oh sorry, Disney is back on Earth."
'Disney is the other one of the two remaining megacorps'
@@atomic_wait But if there are only two megacorps remaining and this one is a different corporation than the one from the 'documentary' then does that mean Disney invaded Pandora?
I'm cackling thank you for sharing this
This review is becoming a lot more relevant, now that there's a new Avatar.
Honestly, the existence of this theme park is starting to make a lot more sense after Avatar 2. These movies are gonna be back in the public consciousness for a while now
@@mikeb7906 I'm not so sure, I haven't noticed that anyone feels anything remotely loke passion for Avatar 2, it's just another mid movie that doesn't warrant a theme park.
In a way it will be a shame if the sequels are successful, because the underlying humor of this video depends so much on Avatar-land being a weird misguided cash-in on something no one loves.
@@c.w.8200 Considerin the movie rigth now Is the 7 biggest movie ever, so even if you don't like it avatar is back in the public and is big af, so this park is going to be popular
@@c.w.8200 Dude, the sequel almost made 2 billion as of writing right now.
anyone else love the hilariously dark implications of this park, it's so ridiculous
Jenny: Where are all the Na'avi?
Also Jenny: So guys, I brought home this "Avatar Flavoured" popcorn...
🤔🤔🤔
@Aspiring Marauder no i'm shaking and cryimg this can't be true APLHA CENTAURI WOULD NEVER DO THIS
@Aspiring Marauder I've never hated a TH-cam comment as much as this one
I've never loved a youtube comment as much as this one.
at first I thought this was just a funny little quip about Jenny, but then realized what you meant and now I'm truly horrified
Soylent Blue is NA'VI!
So, my personal theory as to why the Na’vi are noticeably absent is that the Na’vi are nomadic, so when ACE came by and were like “can we give tours and build a restaurant?” the Na’vi were like “In our old campgrounds? Whatever man. Damn short, white people. Good luck dealing with the crazy lady that lives down by the river.”
I like this theory, it allows you to enjoy the park without feeling like you’re supporting blatant colonialism 😅
The crazy lady LOL
Emma Grace And since the tree was damn near destroyed in the movie, it would make sense that the natives would be interested in diversifying their living spaces.
Also the Valley of Mo’awra is the only place in Pandora with oxygen, so that maybe a factor as well.
"Sure, you can have the poisonous wasteland we literally can't stay in."
I think you could cobble together the ideal theme park afternoon for me out of some of these elements:
1. outdoor drums for my toddler to drum on
2. the same video plays over and over, another thing my toddler loves
3. boat ride in the dark where I can nap
4. refreshing mist sprays in my face
Oh I sent that too quickly, just got to the part about the cold drink with rum.
i’m chinese-american and i think the “alien” foods at the satu’li canteen are so funny. bao is a comfort food to me and one of the least alien things. considering that more than half the world population is from asia, asian foods are the opposite of alien. it does irk me for my culture and adjacent cultures to be labeled as alien through food but i’m too tired to invest that much energy, so i just laugh.
goddamn tho they already have the shallow imagining/packaging of american indigenous cultures. the satu’li canteen threw me for a loop bc i wasn’t expecting asians to get dragged into this too, tho not as egregiously
Maybe I just live a in a good place for more diverse foods, but the idea of bao being alien is funny to me because it’s somewhat commonplace now. Heck chain grocery stores stock them in the delis
I recently went to the Avatar park and I can’t believe you didn’t mention the giant Na’vi head that’s displayed in the gift shop. It looks like they beheaded the leader and used it as a warning to other Na’vi.
The WHAT
Ella Powell Seriously!! It’s a beautiful statue but the implications are fucking terrifying!!
15:44 it’s right there lol
It's also a warning to never mention it's existence.
That gets more unsettling when you consider how the Na'vi are Native American coded, and white people displaying/selling the decapitated heads of natives was a pretty common practice during the 17th and 18th century.
I just can't get over how cringe it is that they made up a vaguely African sounding catchphrase to convey it's "not a zoo," with accents and everything. All for them to walk back on it so hard in recent years, now playing up the conservation aspects of the park. They even have a TV show now about the zoo functions of the park. Because hey it turns out people find animals and zoos really interesting, and conservation is cool now. The whole park and its history feels like Disney misreading trends and misjudging the actual desires of the guests, and the creation of Pandora is definitely a huge continuation of that trend.
Yeah lots of large companies are really good at misreading trends; I suspect it’s related to complex management
I never knew it existed before right now, and I'll probably never visit Disneyworld, but I'm still a little torn up over the loss of Beastly Kingdom
@@AudreysKitchen Ah, the things we lost... that we didn't know existed...
@@AudreysKitchen yeah, WTF, ceo? Why choose a concrete jungle over a literal fucking castle roller coaster and sea monster
@@AudreysKitchen well, not beastly kingdom but in disney paris theres a dragon under the castle, its not much but its something i guess
23:24 I was not prepared for the cameo of Hat Dan - The Dan With A Hat
ive seen this video like 4 or 5 times and just realized thats folding ideas. wild cameo i wasnt expecting
as someone who has seen the second avatar film, i just wanna say to that poor cashier lady that what happened with the RDA did happened again. and somehow bigger and worse
good movie 10/10 it's a simple story but had strong visuals and great sound design
The only way for the park's lore to make sense would be to have it take place after the last movie, so for their sake I hope the lore they built for the park makes sense in 2028 😭
@@squirtyharry The new lore is the entirety of the park is set within that massive city the humans built on Pandora
Oh noooooo!! That would be so twisted and dystopian
@@TheKsalad that's so hilariously dark!
*did happen
I got to open Pandora as a merchandise cast member. We had to train for a month before it was ever open to the public. I sold Sigourney Weaver Na’vi flip flops and 5 Banshees. I made hundreds of people’s personalized Avatars. I rode Na’vi river journey before it was finished and had half the lights on. The animatronic didn’t even have a face yet. I took the language and culture tests. I can verify all this information is 100% true and accurate.
Bayley True wow!
I need to hear more about these tests.
do you mean you sold flip-flops that had Sigourney Weaver's Na'vi character on them to people, or you sold flip-flops that had Na'vi characters on them to Sigourney Weaver
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... time to die."
True like your last name
My grandfather died trying to liberate Pandora and now my family can go there and just pretend that everything back on Earth is okay? Thanks ACE.
It would be really cool if there were like actors playing homeless Pandora invasion veterans, complete with gruesome arrow wounds and they just sat at the edges begging, holding signs like "arm eaten by alien monster rhino, please help." You could give guests some kind of fake space money and if you give them a pittance they tell you about their horrible mauling.
Rayce Archer very Disney
My grandfather was ambushed on a medical mission and has not been the same since.
Liberate? LIBERATE?! It was a war of imperialist aggression! Bush did it for the Unobtanium!
I know what you mean man...my grandfather was also a part of the mission and lost a lot of friends to those blue bastards
Imagine what kind of hell the Na'vi live in, where bladder polyps are so common they have a _one syllable word_ for them.
I know that Beastly Kingdom probably wouldn't have been that cool in person, but it sounds far more awesome in concept.
i think it could've been tbh. not everything needs to be an IP tie in, just public domain fantasy characters could be so awesome because you can really do anything with it, you're not bound to some weird back story.
I went to the Tower of London right before the pandemic hit, and they had actors playing the role of one of the kings getting up in the morning, with his servants and stuff. They asked me where i was from, and when I said America, the king said "that sounds Spanish" and asked me to point to it on their extremely old world map that definitely did not have the USA on it. I just pointed off the end of it and said that it was around there? And i'll never forget the look he shot me--the most perfect "sounds fake but ok" i've ever experienced.
Hats off to those actors, they had to basically do what the people at immersive theme parks do, but with the added burden of actually trying to teach history!
I was told once that if you go to Plimoth Plantation in Massachusetts that if you mention Philadephia, they think you're talking about a bible verse.
I wish they put that sort of effort into the London Dungeons post pandemic (technically within-pandemic, but I'm referring to post-1st-year-of-pandemic) - I went just after New Years 2022, and all of the cast members/staff were wearing plain or boring/standard masks, and I was so disappointed that none of them - ESPECIALLY the ones in the PLAGUE section - were wearing London Dungeon branded Plague Doctor styled masks!!! I was really hoping they had some new merch in the giftshop specifically about the plague bc it was the OBVIOUS choice to me on how to make MAD bank, and yet, NOTHING!
The only nod to the current plague situation was the moment where the cast member says* "be careful out there, there's a plague in London!" And everyone went "👀💀 (sigh) we KNOW"
Such a wasted opportunity 😭
*this section was a standard part of the show well before C-19, with the only change to the show being the distance between staff + guests + the addition of masks + sanitiser gel stands
Same thing happened when I visited Dover Castle and the actor looked at the blue Powerade I had brought with me and suspected it was going to kill me.
That’s actually hilarious. I don’t remember anything specific they said when I visited the Tower of London but I remember the docents were all super in character with the history and had good rapport with everyone! Kinda like a historical ren fairs vibe
@@doctorwholover1012 that would be cool but it’s also kind of unlikely they’d want to make merch about it since people who have survived it or never got it will think it’s fun but people who had family members or friends recently die from it or were hospitalised by it probably wouldn’t like that it’s been used as fuel for fun merch. Yes, we all call it a plague as a joke, but it wasn’t that long ago and it’s actually still going on so there’s not the same amount of distance from pain that there is with the Black Plague, theres still people alive now who are grieving or who are suffering long term side effects (me ☹️) so it’s tricky. Really any company is going to do what is least likely to get them in trouble while still making as much money as they can 🙄 Also the plague doctor mask things sound cool but the staff working there definitely are better off to be wearing masks that keep them safe and probably have to conform to some standards. It’s better it’s a bit immersion breaking if it means the staff are safe. You’ve got some really cool ideas though! I’m British btw 🙈
You are the Einstein of Disney theme parks; they should hire you as a consultant
Thats so nice to see you here :D
I admit, the theme park and leftist philosopher/critic youtubers coming together is always the best thing about this hell site.
Nationalize theme parks!
Einstein? srsly? Does she have a weird left ear thingy? No.
But that would get in the way of my dream job for Jenny- pointing at scripts and telling the studio no
Literally every time a TH-camr complains about a motorcycle outside or something similar, I’ve never been able to hear it and their complaint about it is just me taking them on faith that it even happened
Shout out to the Pandora worker at 17:10 who also signs “thank you” as they’re saying it. I just love seeing people casually using ASL even if it’s small.
I noticed that too. Made me smile.
The “natahzu” ad campaign strikes me as embarrassingly self-conscious, especially for such a huge, successful corporation.
What strikes me now is that they don't actually say what it IS if not a zoo.
"It's Natazhu!"
"Cool, what is it then?"
"Natazhu!"
Hey look, it's a perfect description of the last years of Eisner's career with Disney :'D
@@EngineerLume bruh.. natazhu= not a zoo??
@@johng8837 Yeah. DId you not make the connection?
@@EngineerLume They'd probably say something like "it's an *experience"*
My favorite favorite favorite kind of Jenny vid. Roasting something for almost an hour that I don’t really know anything about.
You get nearly 100% of the fun of going and mocking it yourself, with 0% of the expense and hassle.
Michael Stern The experience of watching a Jenny video is actually more fun than going to the actual theme park because of her commentary
YESS!
A whole hour went by? AY, CARAMBA!
I would never visit a themepark in bad weather.
Remember when she thought 59 minutes was an EXCRUCIATING deep dive? How cute, now excuse me, I'm moving over to the 3 hour deep dive into Evermore.