The department that I worked for 27 years let you carry the caliber of your choice, justhad to be a glock. If you didn't buy your own, the issued side arm was a glock 22 in .40 S&W. So I've done a lot of bilistic tests in .40. Always believed that .40 performed better in the 155-165 range. 180 seemed a little heavy to me. 180 is great for 10mm, but to much for .40 . Really enjoyed the test as always. Have a wonderful day.
That's awesome. The .40 is a great round. I will be testing them again soon out of the full size beretta 96fs to see how they do. Thank you very much as always my friend, you have a great day too!!
Fully agreed Joe. Mid weight, high velocity loads are the .40's sweet spot, same as 124gr is the sweet spot for 9x19. I personally prefer a 165gr Ranger T/Bonded or Speer Gold Dots, as they perform best in .40 and that's what's in my G22. 180gr .40 loads came into being because of the 10MM, personally 180gr should've stayed in 10MM as it performs better in 10MM than .40
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
I think 165 gr is the sweet spot for 40 cal. especially in the shorter barrels. I carry a Shield 40 with a 3.1" barrel. 180 is 10mm weight. 165 gr gives you the speed and the hard hitting weight. Underwood makes some pretty impressive 40 cal ammo, but hard to beat Federal HST! Great video.
Interesting the 155 HST didn't go all the way through the gel block. It was the size of a barn door. Both rounds were impressive, 40 S&W ammo is available and the prices are coming down due to unpopularity. That's sad since it's such a good round.
Both of those were very impressive. My calibers of choice are .357SIG which is CLOSELY followed by .40. The primary reason why I have began to edc my P-229 in .40 is because ammo is just so expensive and hard to come by in .357SIG. I would be interested in seeing how those perform out of the full length Beretta.
Dude I'm really digging your channel. You're doing stuff that no one else is really doing. You're channel WILL BLOW UP - just keep doing what you're doing
Another excellent video man, I appreciate your work. Now that even more people are bailing on .40 for 9mm, I have seen .40 ammo and guns drop below the price of a 9mm, and with the ammo variety available for each caliber, I don't think you can make an argument than 9mm can match or beat .40.
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
Very impressive performance from a short barrel through cloth. HSTs are one of the best overall combinations of expansion and penetration. Thanks for another great video. Almost all of your .45 acp tests were into water jugs. Would you consider revisiting those .45 acp tests using gel?
Yessir, absolutely. I have a ton of ammo to get too. So that's definitely on the list. I should have a few tests up soon for ya. Thank you and thank you for checkin this one out!!
Great results for both especially out of shorter barrel. I have tested and carried 155, 165, 180 grain of various bullet manufacturers. I lean to the 165s and even 155s as a 2nd typically. Nothing wrong with 180s. Thanks
i disagree, .40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
@@ethanmac639 Appreciate the consideration and good opinion. I have come to carry almost exclusively 165s Gold Dot or Critical Defense over the past decade. I have kept a mag full of 180 XTP or 175 Critical Duty for spring Bear woods work rather than a heavy cast bullet for increased penetration.
Awesome. Now I can check my believe that 180s for .40 are inferior and 165s (155) are the way to go. Hopefully the test supports that. Watched it - out of that short barrel for sure the 155. but damn is that HST design good. Full expansion through cloth at 933 ft/s - really impressive.
100% totally agree! .40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
Dang! I don’t care what anybody says, the 40 is a kick ass round. While I prefer 357Sig my summer carry is a M&P 40 Shield. I guess everyone has a grain preference but with that kind of action and expansion, hey, just pick one! As a side note you should check out Taylor’s Knock Out (KO) formula. It uses bullet weight, MV and caliber (for hollow points the size of the expanded projectile) to determine the KO number. The higher the value the better the end result.
Yeah I agree. I'm a .40 fan too. I like em all, they all have there purpose. I will definitely have to check that out. Thank you!! I will have that gold dot test up either Sunday or Monday for ya. Thank you again, appreciate ya buddy!!
@@bobjones-bt9bh whatever floats your boat. However if you don’t understand the difference between a 3” barrel using 40 and a 4” barrel using 357Sig, you need to watch more of his videos
Nice, good stuff. I have some 200gr doubletap I'm gonna be putting up against some 10mm in the same round and weight. In the full sizes. Should be fun. I have way too much ammo and tests to get done lol.
I have some 165 grain HST but I stick to the 180 because of that but I know where the 165 grain hits too so I can shoot both but I can shoot the 180's just a little better I think
@@joeyphillips1181 POI shift is generally not something to be worried about from a handgun. I've seen it with 65 grain +P 9mm ammo when compared to regular weights but we're talking maybe an inch lower at 15 yards, many of the shots were overlapping. Not enough difference to make a difference for real world use.
Yeah it really does. Specially on just a phone camera. They are pretty close with some loads, mainly the lighter rounds but others are not even close. Really depends I guess. I have some pretty crazy ones coming with some major damage from the sig. I fell like nothing really compares lol. The 357 sig is a nasty round specially out of the full size. 10mm is usually a closer comparison. Thanks buddy, I appreciate u checkin it out!!
9mm = not enough🤏 10mm = too much💪 .40 s&w = just right👌 also; .45 acp = not enough(velocity & fpe) and too much(bullet size{penetration suffers, especially through barriers} and weight) at the same time🤏💪 .357 sig = too much(velocity is too high for a small bullet, creates over penetration issue) and not enough(bullet weight and size{over penetration and small wound expansion, performance is less than expected too for such velocity, because of the small size and weight}) at the same time💪🤏 and if you divide the bullet weight and size and the velocity and fpe of the .357 sig with the .45 acp you get the .40 s&w, ie; "just right" 👌⚡ **these are just my opinions* ps I am sick of the 9mm paraplegic obsession
@Ethan Mac higher speeds TEND to improve expansion and reduce penetration. Weight is the primary driver for an expanded bullet to penetrate. Light and really fast bullets tend to dump their energy more quickly than slower heavier bullets. Their wound channels tend to be wide in the beginning but end sooner than heavier and slower bullets.
Usually I'm getting a lil more recoil with the 155s than the heavier 180gr. Still very manageable but u can definitely tell a difference. Lil more snappy😁. Thank you for checkin it out!!
@@jordanreynolds6802 I've actually seen quite a few videos of these being tested with ballistic gel being compared to the federal HST 180 grain, and the Hornady did seem to do better in shorter Barrel compact handguns, but I have a more full size handgun with a 4.2 in Barrel, and in those tests, I was consistently seeing a little more cavitation with the Federal HST 180 grain. Can't go wrong with the Hornady Critical Defense though, it always performed well in every test I seen.
9mm = not enough🤏 10mm = too much💪 .40 s&w = just right👌 also; .45 acp = not enough(velocity & fpe) and too much(bullet size{penetration suffers, especially through barriers} and weight) at the same time🤏💪 .357 sig = too much(velocity is too high for a small bullet, creates over penetration issue) and not enough(bullet weight and size{over penetration and small wound expansion, performance is less than expected too for such velocity, because of the small size and weight}) at the same time💪🤏 and if you divide the bullet weight and size and the velocity and fpe of the .357 sig with the .45 acp you get the .40 s&w, ie; "just right" 👌⚡ **these are just my opinions* ps I am sick of the 9mm paraplegic obsession
Once again for those who hate on the 40cal it is an impressive round
which is basically a light .357 magnum
40 S&W was my EDC for many years. I have a box of the 180 grain.
The department that I worked for 27 years let you carry the caliber of your choice, justhad to be a glock. If you didn't buy your own, the issued side arm was a glock 22 in .40 S&W. So I've done a lot of bilistic tests in .40. Always believed that .40 performed better in the 155-165 range. 180 seemed a little heavy to me. 180 is great for 10mm, but to much for .40 . Really enjoyed the test as always. Have a wonderful day.
That's awesome. The
.40 is a great round. I will be testing them again soon out of the full size beretta 96fs to see how they do. Thank you very much as always my friend, you have a great day too!!
Fully agreed Joe. Mid weight, high velocity loads are the .40's sweet spot, same as 124gr is the sweet spot for 9x19.
I personally prefer a 165gr Ranger T/Bonded or Speer Gold Dots, as they perform best in .40 and that's what's in my G22. 180gr .40 loads came into being because of the 10MM, personally 180gr should've stayed in 10MM as it performs better in 10MM than .40
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
Wow I found new 40 friends. I also have always said 165 was the max I would go to. For some reason it has less felt recoil to me then 180 grain.
@@zekeanderson4745 I'd prefer 165s but could only get Ranger Ts in 180 grain shells.
I think 165 gr is the sweet spot for 40 cal. especially in the shorter barrels. I carry a Shield 40 with a 3.1" barrel. 180 is 10mm weight. 165 gr gives you the speed and the hard hitting weight. Underwood makes some pretty impressive 40 cal ammo, but hard to beat Federal HST! Great video.
Yay for more 40s&w testing !!!!!!
Yessir, I got a ton coming.
Interesting the 155 HST didn't go all the way through the gel block. It was the size of a barn door. Both rounds were impressive, 40 S&W ammo is available and the prices are coming down due to unpopularity. That's sad since it's such a good round.
Both of those were very impressive. My calibers of choice are .357SIG which is CLOSELY followed by .40. The primary reason why I have began to edc my P-229 in .40 is because ammo is just so expensive and hard to come by in .357SIG. I would be interested in seeing how those perform out of the full length Beretta.
Dude I'm really digging your channel. You're doing stuff that no one else is really doing. You're channel WILL BLOW UP - just keep doing what you're doing
Another excellent video man, I appreciate your work. Now that even more people are bailing on .40 for 9mm, I have seen .40 ammo and guns drop below the price of a 9mm, and with the ammo variety available for each caliber, I don't think you can make an argument than 9mm can match or beat .40.
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
Very impressive performance from a short barrel through cloth. HSTs are one of the best overall combinations of expansion and penetration. Thanks for another great video. Almost all of your .45 acp tests were into water jugs. Would you consider revisiting those .45 acp tests using gel?
Yessir, absolutely. I have a ton of ammo to get too. So that's definitely on the list. I should have a few tests up soon for ya. Thank you and thank you for checkin this one out!!
Great results for both especially out of shorter barrel. I have tested and carried 155, 165, 180 grain of various bullet manufacturers. I lean to the 165s and even 155s as a 2nd typically. Nothing wrong with 180s. Thanks
Thank you!!
i disagree, .40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
@@ethanmac639 Appreciate the consideration and good opinion. I have come to carry almost exclusively 165s Gold Dot or Critical Defense over the past decade. I have kept a mag full of 180 XTP or 175 Critical Duty for spring Bear woods work rather than a heavy cast bullet for increased penetration.
@@guardianminifarm8005 cheers 🍻😎
The .40 is my secondary SD caliber the 357 Sig is my primary SD caliber and I am thankful for both.
Awesome. Now I can check my believe that 180s for .40 are inferior and 165s (155) are the way to go. Hopefully the test supports that.
Watched it - out of that short barrel for sure the 155. but damn is that HST design good. Full expansion through cloth at 933 ft/s - really impressive.
Right. They always do so good, even at lower velocities. HST in any caliber is awesome. Thanks for checkin it out buddy!!
100% totally agree!
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
Another nice one. I enjoy these tests.
Thank you very much😁
Thanks for the short barrel!
Great ammo review and out of a short barrel the results are impressive…
Thank you!!
Good stuff..!
Looking forward to more .40 ammo testing !
Yessir, got plenty coming😁👍 Thank you!!
I love the same ammo different grain tests!
Thanks bro!!
excellent spreads
Thank you for checkin it out💪💯
I have some of that laying around 155, good velocity, should hit 1220 from my 226.Agencys were going to the 180 gr about the time 40 was phasing out.
would love to see the UW 150gr nosler out of a couple barrel lengths
Dang! I don’t care what anybody says, the 40 is a kick ass round. While I prefer 357Sig my summer carry is a M&P 40 Shield. I guess everyone has a grain preference but with that kind of action and expansion, hey, just pick one!
As a side note you should check out Taylor’s Knock Out (KO) formula. It uses bullet weight, MV and caliber (for hollow points the size of the expanded projectile) to determine the KO number. The higher the value the better the end result.
Yeah I agree. I'm a .40 fan too. I like em all, they all have there purpose. I will definitely have to check that out. Thank you!! I will have that gold dot test up either Sunday or Monday for ya. Thank you again, appreciate ya buddy!!
summer carry? huh? clothing does not affect bullet penetration at all. are bears out during the winter or something?
@@bobjones-bt9bh whatever floats your boat. However if you don’t understand the difference between a 3” barrel using 40 and a 4” barrel using 357Sig, you need to watch more of his videos
I have 40s&w in all available grain weights .... even some Underwood in 200gr ..
Nice, good stuff. I have some 200gr doubletap I'm gonna be putting up against some 10mm in the same round and weight. In the full sizes. Should be fun. I have way too much ammo and tests to get done lol.
YES .40 S&W!!!! 💪💯💫😃😍💗🥰😎💖👌❤️☝️💓👍💞✊💕👊❣️🤜🤛🧠🍻🍺🍾✨🎈🎉🎊🎇🎆🥇🏆🏅🥊🥋🎯🎰🎱👑🎓🎩⚡🔋⚡🔨🚀🌟🌩️⭐🌬️🌫️🌪️🔥☄️⚡🔥⚡🔥⚡⚡⚡🔥⚡⚡
my favorite and ideal cartridge caliber
Yessir, I'll have a bunch coming for ya.
👍👍👍👊
I love 40 cal. In my opinion 155 grain did great against the 180 but still believe the 165 grain is the sweet spot for 40cal
Try a full size pistol sometimes in the 40s&w please
Can do. I'll be testing out of the beretta 96fs soon. Thanks for checkin it out!!
the full-size m&p 2.0 is my favorite semi-auto handgun for regular non-custom non-expensive 'off the shelf' handguns
The 180 grain stuff in 40 tends to hit closer to point of aim but the 165 grain load hits low 40 cal is kinda weird with different bullet weight's
I have some 165 grain HST but I stick to the 180 because of that but I know where the 165 grain hits too so I can shoot both but I can shoot the 180's just a little better I think
@@joeyphillips1181 POI shift is generally not something to be worried about from a handgun. I've seen it with 65 grain +P 9mm ammo when compared to regular weights but we're talking maybe an inch lower at 15 yards, many of the shots were overlapping. Not enough difference to make a difference for real world use.
I’m sure the camera loses some in translation.. how are these wound channels compared to more common .357 Sig loadings ??
Yeah it really does. Specially on just a phone camera. They are pretty close with some loads, mainly the lighter rounds but others are not even close. Really depends I guess. I have some pretty crazy ones coming with some major damage from the sig. I fell like nothing really compares lol. The 357 sig is a nasty round specially out of the full size. 10mm is usually a closer comparison. Thanks buddy, I appreciate u checkin it out!!
9mm = not enough🤏
10mm = too much💪
.40 s&w = just right👌
also;
.45 acp = not enough(velocity & fpe) and too much(bullet size{penetration suffers, especially through barriers} and weight) at the same time🤏💪
.357 sig = too much(velocity is too high for a small bullet, creates over penetration issue) and not enough(bullet weight and size{over penetration and small wound expansion, performance is less than expected too for such velocity, because of the small size and weight}) at the same time💪🤏
and if you divide the bullet weight and size and the velocity and fpe of the .357 sig with the .45 acp you get the .40 s&w, ie; "just right" 👌⚡
**these are just my opinions*
ps
I am sick of the 9mm paraplegic obsession
Go stand in the corner..
@Ethan Mac higher speeds TEND to improve expansion and reduce penetration. Weight is the primary driver for an expanded bullet to penetrate. Light and really fast bullets tend to dump their energy more quickly than slower heavier bullets. Their wound channels tend to be wide in the beginning but end sooner than heavier and slower bullets.
Was there any difference in Recoil between the different weights? Was the 155 any smoother than the 180?
Usually I'm getting a lil more recoil with the 155s than the heavier 180gr. Still very manageable but u can definitely tell a difference. Lil more snappy😁. Thank you for checkin it out!!
@@AzAirgunner. thanks. I think I'm going to stick with the 180 grain then LOL
Check out 165 gr Hornady critical defense
@@jordanreynolds6802 I've actually seen quite a few videos of these being tested with ballistic gel being compared to the federal HST 180 grain, and the Hornady did seem to do better in shorter Barrel compact handguns, but I have a more full size handgun with a 4.2 in Barrel, and in those tests, I was consistently seeing a little more cavitation with the Federal HST 180 grain. Can't go wrong with the Hornady Critical Defense though, it always performed well in every test I seen.
9mm = not enough🤏
10mm = too much💪
.40 s&w = just right👌
also;
.45 acp = not enough(velocity & fpe) and too much(bullet size{penetration suffers, especially through barriers} and weight) at the same time🤏💪
.357 sig = too much(velocity is too high for a small bullet, creates over penetration issue) and not enough(bullet weight and size{over penetration and small wound expansion, performance is less than expected too for such velocity, because of the small size and weight}) at the same time💪🤏
and if you divide the bullet weight and size and the velocity and fpe of the .357 sig with the .45 acp you get the .40 s&w, ie; "just right" 👌⚡
**these are just my opinions*
ps
I am sick of the 9mm paraplegic obsession