Been running Perrin on VB 22 for 55k miles, daily driver, no issues. I push it pretty hard quite often but nothing like track driving. If you're in a similar situation, you're fine.
Did you tune it? I want to put the Perrin intake in as they swear you don't need a tune. If the engine goes under warranty couldn't I simply remove the air intake and then take it to Subaru? If I don't tune it how can they ever know there was the intake mod
@@jdyeetyaww The Perrin intake piping is the same diameter as OEM so you're safe without a tune. They even back it up on their website. Would you see over 300hp to the wheels with a Perrin intake and tune? Absolutely. But for those like me that don't want to put their factory/extended warranty at risk by tuning their VB, the Perrin intake is the perfect application.
@@worldofnategin theory, great. But the filter itself will suck way more air and thus change ai fuel. Only a matter of time before you start getting engine lights throwing up, just like i did with the same intake.
How’s the car handling this 6 months on? I had a Perrin on my cb which immediately caused an engine light. After a reset, went ok for about 8 months and bam. Engine lights every time I tried to give it gas.
I’ve had my mishimoto intake sitting in my closet for months until just recently 😁 told myself i wouldnt install it until I was ready to tune it and i’m now tuned for it by drunkmann tuning and i love it!
@@valmemo1 I personally wouldn’t run the cobb tune with any aftermarket intake because the cobb stage 1 tune is designed to run on a completely stock car. Drunkmann Tuning makes a good on the shelf tune for the mishimoto intake. Ran it for a while no issues but i am now custom tuned.
Good advice. Do not listen to companies saying no tune needed. They always have a disclaimer to get out of trouble. Perrin said their cai for the va didn’t need a tune. Tell that to my va..
An intake will void my warranty so I just have an AEM drop in. I did notice a little more performance and intake sound.I'm assuming my car won't be running lean at higher rpms with just a drop in.
Im confused so manufactures make these products for example perrin with their air intake that says its "designed to run like the stock air intake" no tune needed and no risk of damage to engine. If this isnt true wouldnt perrin and/or other companies who make producs like that run the major risk of lawsuits because their products would be the direct cause of a engine failur?
Ohhh boy. The FA’s have full time closed loop fuel control, I don’t know what Subispeed is talking about.. They will adjust fuel delivery based on the output from the oxygen sensor compared to the target lambda value (that means AFR). There are limits to the amount of correction that can be applied however, they’re pretty large. Replacing the factory intake with an aftermarket intake will affect the accuracy of the MAF unless the manufacturer has specifically designed their intake to closely match the factory intake’s airflow over the MAF, which I’m guessing a lot of them have. This isn’t an EJ which uses open loop at high load/rom and had no ability to correct a lean or rich condition. People reporting “knock “ with certain intakes is purely confirmation bias, the FA’s have an extremely active knock control system with many variables. That being said, should you have the MAF table calibrated for an aftermarket intake? OF COURSE! You want to rely on the accuracy of the calibration and not the ability to correct. I’m not getting after you because your message is wrong it’s just inaccurate as fuck. Subispeed said several contradictory things in that video.
Those saying it’s not running lean have 0 idea, they aren’t actually monitoring anything. Chances are they don’t even have an accessory to monitor anything including the access port. Just because it’s not throwing a code doesn’t mean the cars running optimally. It tries to change the parameters to be more acceptable but it’s still running wrong.
What I want to understand is if you add a intake and you get a tune are you then loosing your factory mpg under normal driving? Or are you gaining or staying the same because now you have more air and fuel? Maybe I answered my own question lol
I just had 2023 wrx and im planning to install perrin intake my wrx is stock and been driving this car with care. my max rpm is 3000 to 3500 and crossing aroung 2700 rpm. is it ok to install perrin intake?
So question if I’m getting the aem intake for my 23 Camry and run it stock on 87 octane if I floor it over time not good, but if I have the d3 performance tune with the AEM tune on it then I’m good? So obviously better just to tune it with my d3 tuner
i wouldnt even risk it these cars are so sensitive. they are absolutely fantastic if tuned correctly but if they arent it can end up causing some big issues
@@AutoEnthusiast”affects the dynamics of the car”? What does that even mean. You mean you will flow more air and run lean? The dynamics being the MAF and ECU programming using that MAF closed loop.
I am running the mishimoto intake on a stock tune. Judging by their website showing the AFR’s, it does not go higher than 14/1. Stoich is considered 14.7/1, anything higher than that is considered “lean”. So in my opinion, seeing that it does not actually run lean, but just slightly leaner than the stock intake, it is safe to run on stock tune. I would be worried if i seen that graph move up higher than 15, which it does not. Sh*t on me all you want, but its an opinion of an automotive tech.
I installed my ETS intake when it first launched and I lost an entire pound of boost,I still havent tuned it til this day but I emailed them about it and nothing was done.Even after I got a Lean Code and went to the dealer for the Diag.
I got the ETS intake on mine as the biggest pull was me getting whoosh sounds and some louder induction. At launch, ETS stated no tune needed. A year's worth of running it and finally got a CEL for P0068. I never cared if it got me more power or nah but I do wanna be reliable. I'm gonna get ETS's MAF sleeve and if my CEL comes back after installing that, then I'll be going back to stock with a drop-in filter til I get a tune. Kind of a bummer but it is what it is.
@michaelrich7466 yes sir to the sleeve, no to the code. Car has been running fine and haven't gotten any hiccups since installing and clearing the old code. So far so good!
A charcoal filter will not change anything, that’s an easy adjustment that the car can make. All it does is lower emissions. It adds a little more gulp noise and that’s it
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Been running Perrin on VB 22 for 55k miles, daily driver, no issues. I push it pretty hard quite often but nothing like track driving. If you're in a similar situation, you're fine.
Did you tune it? I want to put the Perrin intake in as they swear you don't need a tune. If the engine goes under warranty couldn't I simply remove the air intake and then take it to Subaru? If I don't tune it how can they ever know there was the intake mod
@@jdyeetyaww The Perrin intake piping is the same diameter as OEM so you're safe without a tune. They even back it up on their website. Would you see over 300hp to the wheels with a Perrin intake and tune? Absolutely. But for those like me that don't want to put their factory/extended warranty at risk by tuning their VB, the Perrin intake is the perfect application.
Are you tuned or stock?
@@worldofnategin theory, great. But the filter itself will suck way more air and thus change ai fuel.
Only a matter of time before you start getting engine lights throwing up, just like i did with the same intake.
How’s the car handling this 6 months on? I had a Perrin on my cb which immediately caused an engine light. After a reset, went ok for about 8 months and bam. Engine lights every time I tried to give it gas.
I’ve had my mishimoto intake sitting in my closet for months until just recently 😁 told myself i wouldnt install it until I was ready to tune it and i’m now tuned for it by drunkmann tuning and i love it!
Nice! What numbers are you running?
@@AutoEnthusiast it’s just an ots tune with proper maf scaling for the intake. Im pushing 18.5 lbs of boost!!
So I want to go with the mishimoto intake as well, would I be ok with a cobb tune?
@@valmemo1 I personally wouldn’t run the cobb tune with any aftermarket intake because the cobb stage 1 tune is designed to run on a completely stock car. Drunkmann Tuning makes a good on the shelf tune for the mishimoto intake. Ran it for a while no issues but i am now custom tuned.
@jonnyftw1441 nice, appreciate the advice. New to this so trying to learn as I go 👍🏽
Good advice. Do not listen to companies saying no tune needed. They always have a disclaimer to get out of trouble. Perrin said their cai for the va didn’t need a tune. Tell that to my va..
i just pit intake to get the flutter i dont really care about power as of now😂
An intake will void my warranty so I just have an AEM drop in. I did notice a little more performance and intake sound.I'm assuming my car won't be running lean at higher rpms with just a drop in.
Im confused so manufactures make these products for example perrin with their air intake that says its "designed to run like the stock air intake" no tune needed and no risk of damage to engine. If this isnt true wouldnt perrin and/or other companies who make producs like that run the major risk of lawsuits because their products would be the direct cause of a engine failur?
Ohhh boy. The FA’s have full time closed loop fuel control, I don’t know what Subispeed is talking about.. They will adjust fuel delivery based on the output from the oxygen sensor compared to the target lambda value (that means AFR). There are limits to the amount of correction that can be applied however, they’re pretty large. Replacing the factory intake with an aftermarket intake will affect the accuracy of the MAF unless the manufacturer has specifically designed their intake to closely match the factory intake’s airflow over the MAF, which I’m guessing a lot of them have. This isn’t an EJ which uses open loop at high load/rom and had no ability to correct a lean or rich condition. People reporting “knock “ with certain intakes is purely confirmation bias, the FA’s have an extremely active knock control system with many variables.
That being said, should you have the MAF table calibrated for an aftermarket intake? OF COURSE! You want to rely on the accuracy of the calibration and not the ability to correct. I’m not getting after you because your message is wrong it’s just inaccurate as fuck. Subispeed said several contradictory things in that video.
Great video, Love it. From Plymouth, Mass, 22' WRX Orange.
Love the local subie!
Good info✊🏿
It’s confusing because some say there Perrin intake is not running lean after 6000 miles and then others say to tune it
Those saying it’s not running lean have 0 idea, they aren’t actually monitoring anything. Chances are they don’t even have an accessory to monitor anything including the access port. Just because it’s not throwing a code doesn’t mean the cars running optimally. It tries to change the parameters to be more acceptable but it’s still running wrong.
Same boat but I've had it on a month and no issue man and I drive it hard just put a charge pipe and blow off valve on it too
What I want to understand is if you add a intake and you get a tune are you then loosing your factory mpg under normal driving? Or are you gaining or staying the same because now you have more air and fuel? Maybe I answered my own question lol
Go watch HeavyMetalWRX TH-cam Channel Tuner Talk with Graham from Boosted Performance. He goes into great detail about tunes and gas millage.
Great content. You cleared up my confusion on the choices on intakes. I’m now proceeding with an intake and Cobb tune .
Nice! What year are you driving?
I just had 2023 wrx and im planning to install perrin intake my wrx is stock and been driving this car with care. my max rpm is 3000 to 3500 and crossing aroung 2700 rpm. is it ok to install perrin intake?
Why not just tune it? (I ask playing devils advocate to asking - why install an intake?)
@@AutoEnthusiastfor warranty reasons obviously
I think it would be fine unless your flooring it all the time
So question if I’m getting the aem intake for my 23 Camry and run it stock on 87 octane if I floor it over time not good, but if I have the d3 performance tune with the AEM tune on it then I’m good? So obviously better just to tune it with my d3 tuner
Is the mishimoto intake fine without an intake?
you mean without a tune ?
@@sushivert yea
@@Mikenourse4 No, mishimoto said themselves that they don't recommend using the cold air intake without a tune.
I think the only way to improve stock flow safely without a tune is with a drop in filter. I ordered cobbs a couple days ago and should be in soon
I mean the big thing here, is you don't want to change the flow, the more it changes, the more it effects the dynamics of the car.
i wouldnt even risk it these cars are so sensitive. they are absolutely fantastic if tuned correctly but if they arent it can end up causing some big issues
@@AutoEnthusiast”affects the dynamics of the car”? What does that even mean. You mean you will flow more air and run lean? The dynamics being the MAF and ECU programming using that MAF closed loop.
Thoughts on mishimotos no tune intake? 😅
Same as the above 3 in reality… is that what you are running?
@@AutoEnthusiast I'm not that brave, im running that 7yr/100,000 mile warranty
I am running the mishimoto intake on a stock tune. Judging by their website showing the AFR’s, it does not go higher than 14/1. Stoich is considered 14.7/1, anything higher than that is considered “lean”. So in my opinion, seeing that it does not actually run lean, but just slightly leaner than the stock intake, it is safe to run on stock tune. I would be worried if i seen that graph move up higher than 15, which it does not. Sh*t on me all you want, but its an opinion of an automotive tech.
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@@tastyautomotive5619good technical opinion! I’m on board with you sir.
I installed my ETS intake when it first launched and I lost an entire pound of boost,I still havent tuned it til this day but I emailed them about it and nothing was done.Even after I got a Lean Code and went to the dealer for the Diag.
Not tuning it is your issue
I got the ETS intake on mine as the biggest pull was me getting whoosh sounds and some louder induction. At launch, ETS stated no tune needed. A year's worth of running it and finally got a CEL for P0068. I never cared if it got me more power or nah but I do wanna be reliable. I'm gonna get ETS's MAF sleeve and if my CEL comes back after installing that, then I'll be going back to stock with a drop-in filter til I get a tune. Kind of a bummer but it is what it is.
@@WallsAndFoundationsdid you get the sleeve? If so, did the lean code come back?
@michaelrich7466 yes sir to the sleeve, no to the code. Car has been running fine and haven't gotten any hiccups since installing and clearing the old code. So far so good!
Will removing the charcoal filter in the OEM air box cause as much leaning out as the two aftermarket air boxes which claim to not need a tune?
A charcoal filter will not change anything, that’s an easy adjustment that the car can make. All it does is lower emissions. It adds a little more gulp noise and that’s it