Darci needs some help, they could turn it into an utilitary sniper, going further into the "scanning the ennemy" aspect and make it so when you scan a champion the sniper adapts to be able to stun him.
that won't make it any better or address the main issues with the weapon. The problem with snipers as a whole is that they're harder to use, and you can almost always get by without them. This is even worse for Darci, as it isn't good for damage, and doesn't even have a unique identity other than that it reads distance from and health of enemies
@@looksnormal Thats why I proposed this change. Is not great, I wont use it personally, but at least it would have an identity and a use. At least using it allows you to not care about champions anymore. Kinda like Arbalest, you dont use arbalest for the damage, its a support weapons for shields and barrier. Since Darci is a heavy weapon, I think it would be fair to make it counter all types of champions+ it works pretty well with the scanning identity of the weapon.
@@HighCharityYT Whisper was playable, but easely outclassed by other options. Tlord isn't the best either, but what makes it good is the ease of use, good ammo, just lay down the trigger. Whereas Whisper being a sniper is more skilled to use as you absolutely have to hit crits while having to deal with flinch. So basically hard ot use for a result you'd got way easier with other weapons.
protip on DARCI I learned from Aegis: if you're on Rain of Fire reloads, you can juuuust barely get back into scope before Target Acquired falls off, which saves some time dumping all the ammo. though, if you're going that far for DPS anyway, you'd just be better served with some other strategy I would think
@@choloeseguay It's so that there is a point of reference for all these damage numbers. Microcosm is a fairly popular DPS option for The Witness, due to its decent DPS and importantly its ease of use, so it's familiar to a lot of players and would be a good benchmark. Knowing what's the best weapon in a certain category is meaningless without knowing how good that category is. It's like if I did testing of just manually reload dumping special GLs, there would certainly be one that's the "best special GL for dps", but that doesn't really mean anything. The original commenter obviously knows that Microcosm isn't a sniper. Edited because original reply was overly snarky, unnecessary regardless of whether your comment was sarcastic or not.
Microcosm does 1.1mil with the same kind of setup. Edit: it doesn't make sense to compare it here, It's something to compare to machine guns, as it is basically a really good machine gun. The thing is, machine guns overall aren't that good, but the add/subjugator clearing value would be discounted. Pretty sure whisper is gonna replace microcosm as the new most used non hunter setup.
Wouldn't Precision Instrument Enhanced be better on Uzume? Lose the flat ~15% or so damage buff, but PI Enhanced goes up to 30%. Also like someone else said, you really want backup mag/mag perk to hit 6 in the mag (not sure if you can get to 8, and I think 7 gets you a single extra shot with FTTC).
Yea, if he ran out of ammo with Rewind + Kinetic, then the extra rounds from Fourth times might have been higher. Depends on if those extra shots he would have got in would do more damage than the total dmg from his Kinetic tremors proccing.
I'm so happy my baby Whisper is back at the forefront of the meta. It's definitely gonna hurt as bad, or even worse than last time when it eventually gets nerfed into oblivion again
I did the math so you don't have to - with the 33% Celestial still hunt nerf, it'll come to around 2.04mln damage (give or take) with the artifact boosts, and assuming you get the 3rd shot off vs Templar. Obviously take off scorch/meditation buff as artifact depricates
Great video. What do you think is the best load out for the “mid gamer”? Not the optimal one but the load out that will best allow for a few missed shots. Also, do you feel like running a non-solar sniper is still viable? The ignition damage is cool but not enough to demand only using solar? Thanks!
Why doesn't any youtubers doing dmg test use holster mods for still hunt, that makes it so you don't have to reaload at all cuz when you use super it reloads the whole mag, what youre looking for is to reload that one single bullet that's missing from the celestial shot
@@zhenblackburn1006 I thought the same! Someone just told me the ikelos got nerfed or something. I love the rapid fires and hate the feeling of adaptives like adored..
@@SSD_Penumbraif he hadn't proced BnS switch a second time it would have had more damage. He did 6 shots less than the tremors one. Yesterday I saw crosses dmg test he did way more with BnS than tremors.
yeah because it takes time to proc, in the time he took to proc bait and switch he could have shot multiple sniper shots. bait and siwtch is better for total damage but not dps in this case
Olha aonde destiny 2 me levou, num canal bem longe de mim. fuzil laser pesado microcosmo é melhor forma de DPS na Riven, mesmo você sendo um caçador, ela ainda supera o dano das sniper
No one is going to use the Neomuna sniper for damage to be honest. It's a bad sub-archetype that requires much better perks to compensate for it. And it doesn't have those perks.
Tbh I wish you used a control or benchmark in every video without adding a ton of factors like surge mods, and transcence. Lots of people on the medium skill band want to find solid numbers to look at so they can judge what weapons (not loadouts) are best suited when in there optimal environment. Some times for your teams sake or for an individuals sake they need to forgo some mods fragments or exotic armor. With that in mind keeping doing better controls will help player's better understand just how powerful some guns are on there own vs how powerful they can be. It also helps us understand if a gun struggles without build synergy or if its just good on its own.
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Never un-scoped during all of Witness damage 😎 #whisperedbreathing #whispermeta
damn was really looking forward to seeing what damage yall did during that witness fight with whisperer. You had a crazy good dps phase!
Having only got my first clear this week, that is stoopidly impressive
I love hearing 6 whispers during dps, even if the damage ends up being shit. The sound design for the gun is just something else.
me when jude puts me in the video
Darci needs some help, they could turn it into an utilitary sniper, going further into the "scanning the ennemy" aspect and make it so when you scan a champion the sniper adapts to be able to stun him.
that won't make it any better or address the main issues with the weapon. The problem with snipers as a whole is that they're harder to use, and you can almost always get by without them. This is even worse for Darci, as it isn't good for damage, and doesn't even have a unique identity other than that it reads distance from and health of enemies
@@looksnormal Thats why I proposed this change. Is not great, I wont use it personally, but at least it would have an identity and a use. At least using it allows you to not care about champions anymore. Kinda like Arbalest, you dont use arbalest for the damage, its a support weapons for shields and barrier. Since Darci is a heavy weapon, I think it would be fair to make it counter all types of champions+ it works pretty well with the scanning identity of the weapon.
Finally Whisper Meta is back ! GOATED
Yea someone at Bungie really wanted Whisper to be meta with those artefact mods
tbh Whisper never left lol, every time in the past year you used TLord as boss dps, you'd have gotten more from Whisper
@@HighCharityYT Whisper was playable, but easely outclassed by other options. Tlord isn't the best either, but what makes it good is the ease of use, good ammo, just lay down the trigger. Whereas Whisper being a sniper is more skilled to use as you absolutely have to hit crits while having to deal with flinch. So basically hard ot use for a result you'd got way easier with other weapons.
@@pumpking1278 It literally does more damage and is just as easy as TLord if you have a Div, which every TLord guide used.
@@HighCharityYT Dont take it peronally, you play wathever you want. No one is saying you shouldnt play whisper
Twilight Oath only had 10 seconds of damage but every other sniper had the full 15 seconds? Super accurate testing
protip on DARCI I learned from Aegis: if you're on Rain of Fire reloads, you can juuuust barely get back into scope before Target Acquired falls off, which saves some time dumping all the ammo.
though, if you're going that far for DPS anyway, you'd just be better served with some other strategy I would think
I kinda wish you all would include microcosm in these tests just so we know how things really stack up.
Is microcosm a sniper?
@@choloeseguay It's so that there is a point of reference for all these damage numbers. Microcosm is a fairly popular DPS option for The Witness, due to its decent DPS and importantly its ease of use, so it's familiar to a lot of players and would be a good benchmark. Knowing what's the best weapon in a certain category is meaningless without knowing how good that category is. It's like if I did testing of just manually reload dumping special GLs, there would certainly be one that's the "best special GL for dps", but that doesn't really mean anything.
The original commenter obviously knows that Microcosm isn't a sniper.
Edited because original reply was overly snarky, unnecessary regardless of whether your comment was sarcastic or not.
microcosm is bad
@@beki7408 I appreciate you having my back. But they might legitimately not know what microcosm is.
Microcosm does 1.1mil with the same kind of setup.
Edit: it doesn't make sense to compare it here, It's something to compare to machine guns, as it is basically a really good machine gun. The thing is, machine guns overall aren't that good, but the add/subjugator clearing value would be discounted. Pretty sure whisper is gonna replace microcosm as the new most used non hunter setup.
Basically, whisper my goat
me when i’m in the first 5 frames of the vid
Wouldn't Precision Instrument Enhanced be better on Uzume? Lose the flat ~15% or so damage buff, but PI Enhanced goes up to 30%. Also like someone else said, you really want backup mag/mag perk to hit 6 in the mag (not sure if you can get to 8, and I think 7 gets you a single extra shot with FTTC).
Perks used in whisper?
Could you test critical anomaly with chaos reshaped instead of BNS?
Why no rewind fourth time’s supremacy?
Yea, if he ran out of ammo with Rewind + Kinetic, then the extra rounds from Fourth times might have been higher. Depends on if those extra shots he would have got in would do more damage than the total dmg from his Kinetic tremors proccing.
Would have been nice to see dawn chorus with solar warlock to see how the bonus scorch damage changes things.
It doesn't. Aztecross tested it
Scorch does so little damage and you’re proccing ignitions so often that the scorch can only really get like 1-2 ticks in before ignition
I'm so happy my baby Whisper is back at the forefront of the meta. It's definitely gonna hurt as bad, or even worse than last time when it eventually gets nerfed into oblivion again
Whisper with heat rises on warlock could be really good on the witness since you can just float for 30 seconds
The end was cool, this is awesome though I been wondering damage #'s
Lets go i made it into the Llama video
I did the math so you don't have to - with the 33% Celestial still hunt nerf, it'll come to around 2.04mln damage (give or take) with the artifact boosts, and assuming you get the 3rd shot off vs Templar.
Obviously take off scorch/meditation buff as artifact depricates
Thank you! Good to know it'll still be good but not busted AF
@@LlamaD2 Especially for total damage. It probably shouldn't be so far ahead of the sniper who's whole identity is total damage lol
New damage number with sniper's meditation 15% buff being removed: roughly 1.80 mln damage
Great video. What do you think is the best load out for the “mid gamer”? Not the optimal one but the load out that will best allow for a few missed shots. Also, do you feel like running a non-solar sniper is still viable? The ignition damage is cool but not enough to demand only using solar? Thanks!
Why doesn't any youtubers doing dmg test use holster mods for still hunt, that makes it so you don't have to reaload at all cuz when you use super it reloads the whole mag, what youre looking for is to reload that one single bullet that's missing from the celestial shot
Dann, supremacy got hit hard by the 15% kinetic damage buff being taken away and these specific boosts to solar snipers.
What perk setup would you recommend on Whisper?
Field Prep with handling perks
I know this is a bit random but what armor pieces is your warlock wearing in the outro? We can't be as good as you but we can look as cool 😂
OOZOOM aint cookin unfort :(
Did you ever try rewind and 4th times the charm on supremacy?
would be interesting how uzume with 4th times + precision instrument + appended mag + backup mag performs. i got told it's better than the ikelos sr.
it’s not. According to Aegis who does extensive testing, adaptive snipers are the worst archetype for dps while rapids are the best.
@@zhenblackburn1006 I thought the same! Someone just told me the ikelos got nerfed or something. I love the rapid fires and hate the feeling of adaptives like adored..
yikes that one phase gg mate
No uzume with 4th times and precision instrument?
Is nobody testing the other solar snipers like luna or last foray? Both aggressive so might not be that great
Would dawn chorus work with SoF and ashes to make whispers shot an ignition each shot or not?
Dawn chorus does not increase scorch stacks so no.
Kinetic tremors does more dmg than bait and switch?? What
Bait is only a slight buff to damage. Tremors is like, secondary damage.
@@SSD_Penumbraif he hadn't proced BnS switch a second time it would have had more damage. He did 6 shots less than the tremors one. Yesterday I saw crosses dmg test he did way more with BnS than tremors.
@@faridronin Depending on stuff, Tremors does more damage in less time than BNS.
yeah because it takes time to proc, in the time he took to proc bait and switch he could have shot multiple sniper shots. bait and siwtch is better for total damage but not dps in this case
sniper rifle
That I can’t see those witness damage numbers because the video cuts off upsets me not there bye for now dear viewer haha
for uzume you need a backup mag so 4th times works better
Doesn't matter regardless, gun is bad because of frame
Whisper hasn’t been “bad” for quite some time. There’s just very few boss fights that actually allow it
Goated sniper
What does song of flame even do if your already in a Well?
Gives kinetic and solar weapons scorching rounds, it's like 20 extra scorch on a sniper with the ashes fragment
@@scalarmotion The mod already does that though. I think it's just so the team gets their abilities back faster and a slight DR bump.
@@SSD_Penumbra did you watch the video? it gives extra scorch, with song of flame and ember of ashes you get an ignition in 2 hits instead of 4
supremacy is better with rewind and 4th
How about Borealis, just for the memes?
If I see one comment saying RR/FTTC is better than the other rolls, I will lose my mind.
Please, people, B&S or KT is significantly better for DPS.
uzume has better rolls dude
Olha aonde destiny 2 me levou, num canal bem longe de mim. fuzil laser pesado microcosmo é melhor forma de DPS na Riven, mesmo você sendo um caçador, ela ainda supera o dano das sniper
Wish you tested the Neomuna sniper.
No one is going to use the Neomuna sniper for damage to be honest. It's a bad sub-archetype that requires much better perks to compensate for it. And it doesn't have those perks.
NO DID GREG RETIRE?! 😭😭
impossible to test snipes on him
@@dmark_ good point :D
Tbh I wish you used a control or benchmark in every video without adding a ton of factors like surge mods, and transcence.
Lots of people on the medium skill band want to find solid numbers to look at so they can judge what weapons (not loadouts) are best suited when in there optimal environment.
Some times for your teams sake or for an individuals sake they need to forgo some mods fragments or exotic armor. With that in mind keeping doing better controls will help player's better understand just how powerful some guns are on there own vs how powerful they can be. It also helps us understand if a gun struggles without build synergy or if its just good on its own.
im addicted to Elden Ring but still W
the best thing i took away from this is that sniper flinch seems soooo much better now
who's gonna tell him