How Good Is Microcosm REALLY? (Microcosm DPS Testing)

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  • @LlamaD2
    @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Couple notes...
    1) In each test my friends (Toidi & Onyx, AKA minion #1 and minion #2) were using the healing auto "No Hesitation" so Greg didn't annihilate me, but this does add a 10% stacking damage buff so just and FYI there.
    2) For some reason there was a HUGE chunk at the end of the Thunderlord test, if that hadn't happened the damage would be far lower.

    • @bearlybearablebear
      @bearlybearablebear หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      why call them Minions and not Thunder Squires for the Thunderlord? (or thunder lads xD)

    • @jaredrocha2430
      @jaredrocha2430 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      For some reason that chunk happens for every machine gun. There was a video I saw before Final Shape that compared a bunch of dps options and that happened consistently for thunderlord and Retrofit Escapade.
      Not sure if it is a visual bug with the health bar at the bottom or if there is some net code related bug that causes this and the machine guns should not be doing this much damage

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@jaredrocha2430 There's some kind of issue with the game where it struggles to keep up with high-RPM sources of damage like that. Unsure how much of it is connection based versus just the game's code being improvable in some way.

    • @mausypwns98
      @mausypwns98 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      no transcendence on thunder?

    • @RevShadow_508
      @RevShadow_508 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mausypwns98 ya the comparisons were not very comprehensive.

  • @aidenhutchinson7550
    @aidenhutchinson7550 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Did nobody realize that he got a second nova bomb when he was using thunder Lord 9:58

    • @aidenhutchinson7550
      @aidenhutchinson7550 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      With the second nova, he probably could’ve out DPS microcosm

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@aidenhutchinson7550 there wasn't quite enough time to fire it given the length of the phase, but given some orbs from Goldie hunters or whatever, maybe?

    • @water924
      @water924 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@life-destiny1196 there was more than enough time to use it bro💀

    • @Beast-mf7br
      @Beast-mf7br หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@life-destiny1196 lol, the boss would be dead long before being able to proc a second nova though...this was basically solo dmg

    • @liamwilliamson7694
      @liamwilliamson7694 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He also would have gotten it slightly sooner if he transcended.

  • @Nobody-iz8fg
    @Nobody-iz8fg หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    I like how he didnt activate transcendent with thunderlord.

    • @lololololololol444
      @lololololololol444 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bruhh...

    • @azianderson-
      @azianderson- หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Good hopefully lfg kids don’t notice and stop using the shit gun

    • @Ihatethunderlord
      @Ihatethunderlord หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@azianderson-it’s not really that bad, also it’s not the best gun compare to grand overture of course, the reason I don’t really use it cause people overrated it too much like in lfgs people said:” use thunderlord, it’s the best gun” 😂

    • @zorpglorp
      @zorpglorp หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@azianderson-it's not a bad gun, it's just average. it's a good baseline to see what's "viable". anything above is viable, or barely viable, and anything below is not.

    • @Aj-py8en
      @Aj-py8en หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Its funny because if you include the 5% buff then Thunderlord would slightly outdamage Microcosm with the same set-up. 4,169,000 vs 4,129,000

  • @christopherrabadi9942
    @christopherrabadi9942 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    So thunderlord is meta and I should tell all future LFG’s to run thunderlord? got it

  • @friendlyelites
    @friendlyelites หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Real benefit to Microcosm is pairing with kinetic specials like Mountaintop or Supremacy with surges and rebuilding transcendance esp on warlock for maintaining debuffs. You can run a recombination on mountaintop as a burst or run FTTC/Rewind - or KT on Supremacy to just turn into a sustain king. With how strong elemental primaries are its just better to run those for general ad clear so if you're doing Warlord's or fighting the Witness with some bad teammates who can't pump damage you can really push your total damage with just your base reserves and still have a good primary which is the weak part about the Nighthawk hunter kit.

  • @Polish_Sausage__
    @Polish_Sausage__ หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Absolutely cooks the final boss in RON. As he registered as a tormentor

  • @Toxiconom
    @Toxiconom หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The lord keeps lurking LMAO

  • @marceletta
    @marceletta หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    side note to make it easier to manage no hesitation healing/damage buff, have them use witherhoard so it'll refresh the energy as hes shooting it, guaranteeing you have the buff up at all times
    granted, this makes healthbar testing vastely more annoying but if youre going off wipe screen it's fine

  • @TheAxeHopper
    @TheAxeHopper หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    On some of the tests (particularly 3 and 4)you lost a few seconds of paracausal imbuement before you started firing, so those numbers could be a smidge higher

  • @PersianWolverine
    @PersianWolverine หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I actually thought this was aztecross from the thumbnail😅

  • @Enkeh
    @Enkeh หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Call me crazy, but for this specific length of a damage phase, thunderlord outperforms microcosm because of the possibility for a second nova bomb

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Phry'zhia is a 30 second phase, so theoretically doable on something like Witness (but I think damage falloff becomes an issue for thunderlord there).

    • @Beast-mf7br
      @Beast-mf7br หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      would be tough solo to squeeze it in, which is basically what this was...so with a competent fireteam, you wouldn't have time to get a second nova since the boss should already be dead!...unless you have teammates who do zero dmg lol

  • @lavihayoun05
    @lavihayoun05 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Microcosm (with increased damage build) is a perfectly fine substitute for still hunt for those of us who can't snipe

  • @DarkSaitama
    @DarkSaitama หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Man if these weapon had an element attached to it I would have cooked using eternal warrior and star eater to get the surge x 4 plus the buff it gets after using your super, plus the buffed super would be very very good.

    • @randommixedletters
      @randommixedletters หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no Kinetic Super sadly (the surge is based on the super thrown)

    • @SlongestKongest
      @SlongestKongest หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would only be 3% more

  • @TheAxeHopper
    @TheAxeHopper หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thunderlord is still not great against the witness though, since its too inaccurate to hipfire and you'll very likely have to stop firing somewhere along the way to dodge a witness beam -- which completely nukes the RPM and DPS of the weapon by comparison

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah it's not good on the Witness at all

  • @RevShadow_508
    @RevShadow_508 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Just some personal thoughts. I feel like that Thunderlord Microcasum comparison was kind of lazy. We didn't get any kind of control to compare between the two guns side by side without a laundry list of factors added which affect each.
    Different people are going to use different set ups for different reasons and having a good read on a weapons power at base and then how different factors could potentially hurt or help it will help a broader audience of players make good build choices based on there person preferences or teams needs.

  • @johngrantham4862
    @johngrantham4862 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That star eater nova test would’ve easily been top damage if he’d used the prismatic grenade for the weaken + expanding abyss.

  • @grantgore1035
    @grantgore1035 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Such good advice for theregoesflawless

  • @CouchCit
    @CouchCit หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd like to see a round with Priz Titan + Actium + Twilight Arsenal + Thunderlord. Not ideal DPS but I bet it cooks with a dmg phase that long.

  • @LaFlamaBlanca757
    @LaFlamaBlanca757 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Cenotaph for microcosm and not actium for thunderlord. You can always see the agenda clear as day in any thunderlord video.

  • @ssynths
    @ssynths หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    facet of courage can buff the damage of the well caster. you pop well then swap to prismatic.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had a feeling this was the case

    • @Quantum_Magnus
      @Quantum_Magnus หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was looking for a comment like this. Yeah, they changed it way back in Beyond Light so that Well turning weapon damage into super damage for super-like effects only affects the caster.

  • @blakebeaton5821
    @blakebeaton5821 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I mean, I like running Thunderlord on my titan, my secondary character, with Actium War Rig because I rarely have to reload during a damage phase and it is a king of lazy DPS.

  • @Darth-Toastey
    @Darth-Toastey หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man this boss might be the hardest to do damage testing on
    It’s much easier for you to do damage tests on the final boss or templar

  • @Darth-Toastey
    @Darth-Toastey หลายเดือนก่อน

    for the facet of courage to work With the well you also need to be the caster of the well
    Cast well then swap to prismatic and it will work

  • @erikburgundy1769
    @erikburgundy1769 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think Song of Flame just adds scotch damage ticks, not actual scorch stacks. That’s why you’re not getting ignitions.

  • @oatmilk_flatwhite
    @oatmilk_flatwhite หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Lazy dps should always be Leviathan's Breath! Catalyst required, but it's great for a no swap dps option

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's great, though all of these options have slightly different drawbacks from each other; in Levi's case it's comparatively weak reserves, a reliance on external reload boosts, and the fact that missing a crit on it is devastating. On the other hand you can hipfire it, which is huge for Witness if you're not used to the attack patterns obviously, but also in cases like Ir Yut it makes it easier to aim.

    • @RUGER5264
      @RUGER5264 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂 😮😮😮 🎉🎉🎉

  • @thenotsopro6853
    @thenotsopro6853 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thunderlord will always be the better lazy option because you dont have to do anything to get it its free

  • @hn9197
    @hn9197 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Would Euphony be better on Prismatic with Apotheosis/Star Eater. I know you won't have access to increased threadling damage but would the beefed-up super make up for this?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I sadly don't have the bond yet

    • @smiffy.airsoft.ghillie5861
      @smiffy.airsoft.ghillie5861 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No cause needlestorm is bugged with star eater and only does 35% more. Every other super is 70%

  • @life-destiny1196
    @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In the lazy DPS category, really gotta add Whisper, 1K, and Leviathan's Breath. Whisper in particular is a super obvious shout given the artifact gives it 15% more damage after the first couple shots and scorch to boot. Really hard on Phry'zhia though, maybe you want Avarokk instead? Or Templar

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's appreciated, btw. Realizing that might've come off as hostile

  • @bliss5297
    @bliss5297 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ik this isn't going to be as good as hunter dps, but i wonder what numbers warlock will get with still hunt, apex and rain of fire?
    mostly asking because not everyone has euphony, so it would be cool to see what kind of damage they could do with that rotation.

  • @TheMiojox
    @TheMiojox หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'll just say we 6-manned hunters with the new sniper on Riven and we only got through her once two of us switched to microcosm.

  • @davidgutierrezzg
    @davidgutierrezzg หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would be SUPER cool to know if a Warlock with StillHunt + Apex + Nova + Star-Eater + Turrets do more or less damage than Microcosm + Nova + Star-Eater + Turrets. Because at this point seems the way to go for Warlocks is Microcosm... Well, at least until we see how crazy numbers are for Whisper (Whisper + Nova + Star-Eater + Turrets).

    • @hondo2356
      @hondo2356 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still hunt apex is far better, microcosm is a good “lazy dps” option but it’s worse than any half decent rotation.

  • @jadenblacktab3070
    @jadenblacktab3070 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should used that super in that last run and make that number little bigger for thunderlord

  • @JDT979
    @JDT979 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Apotheosis on strand is stronger than Star-Eater/Apotheosis on prismatic because of the threadling fragment buff, right? Was just wondering if it's worth to run that instead.

    • @HenryQuach
      @HenryQuach หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct

    • @YeatGaming69
      @YeatGaming69 หลายเดือนก่อน

      for sustained damage, yes. For super short burst dps? no from what i’ve heard

  • @SmoreBread
    @SmoreBread หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Any reason to not run Cenotaph on Microcosm? If anything it would just make the damage more consistent not having to reload as much

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In the non-Prismatic Warlock tests I was using Ceno

  • @fuhkall
    @fuhkall หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    didnt start the video with a righhtt im sadge

  • @UknohweHwoits
    @UknohweHwoits หลายเดือนก่อน

    you could have thrown another nova with the thunderlord instead of reloading so that test would have made the highest dmg number overall?

  • @terra3426
    @terra3426 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Couldve used the facet that reloads weapons when freezing since you were using the freeze turret. Also that euphony rotation was pretty bad, didnt use thread of ascension.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was using the freeze fragment, and the Euphony test won't be much better with Thread of Ascent

    • @terra3426
      @terra3426 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LlamaD2 Oh it got nerfed right? I swear it used to just bring all weapons to max ammo on every freeze

  • @TheOnlyBritishGuy
    @TheOnlyBritishGuy หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    is a star eater + apoth needle storm on prismatic worse for euphony than mono-strand with evolution? idk if front loading the damage of needle storm better than just a flat buff to threadlings

    • @badkarma368
      @badkarma368 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its better on strand with the fragment that buffs threadlings and the one that reloads weapon on grenade use, needlestorm threadlings don't get the star eater buff

    • @thomash8513
      @thomash8513 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Euphony’s filler dps tbh ur better just using a gl with envious and bns or if ur on strand warlock just rocket swap with grapple tech at that point

    • @ftlsavage9183
      @ftlsavage9183 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Prismatic is definitely far better, even w/o that one aspect.

    • @Alex-ug9wx
      @Alex-ug9wx หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thomash8513not true whatsoever but okay…
      Euphony is best for longer encounters (like the WR final boss, for example) because you can have the top DPS options in two slots of your inventory, using two types of ammo.
      It’s the same reason lucky pants / malfeasance is so popular. Endurance *with* insane damage = best damage option in the game for a lot of use cases.
      It’s why GLs are so popular. Ammo economy generally sucks on a lot of big damage heavies.

    • @thomash8513
      @thomash8513 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Alex-ug9wx euphony competes with most linears but it’s still ass cause it’s a linear. Linears seriously need a buff you want a good sustain weapon use whisper or still hunt. The difference between euphony and lucky pants is that 1 is doing as much bns rockets with Wolfpack and the other is competing with other linears I’m sure u can figure out what does what. gls do higher as much sustain dps as still hunt. I will say tho rockets are technically the best rn but require a gally which isn’t with it outside of speed runs

  • @EngineeringDruid
    @EngineeringDruid หลายเดือนก่อน

    you did not pop transendance with Thunderlord, which should give it an extra 5% damage, further lower the gap between Thunderlord and Microcosm to likely within the margin of error

  • @ImHimBroTrustMe
    @ImHimBroTrustMe หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Why not use thread of ascent for the reload on grenade when doing the rotation?

    • @ぢぢぢ
      @ぢぢぢ หลายเดือนก่อน

      fr and he reloaded when he had 1 more left and also for thunderlord he didn’t pop transcendent but did when he used micro

  • @NJE-de8do
    @NJE-de8do หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still feel like I dont truly know what to use when it comes it witness as a warlock...ive seen people use microcosm, euphony, snipers and I just wanna know what is best at this point

  • @dankerbell
    @dankerbell หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is something i needed since i can't tell if everyone's using it because it's actually good or because it's novel

  • @glennr1399
    @glennr1399 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What else did you have on your titan mark llama? Star eater + what? ❤

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It was Hoarfrost I think, nothing that would affect the damage

  • @Staxx_NZ
    @Staxx_NZ หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still has Well on when he was meant to have song of flame or was he feeding off someone else's SoF

  • @KapasaGamer
    @KapasaGamer หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to see a full powered 1k voices, transcendent, foetracer, radiant etc.

  • @fulricardosun
    @fulricardosun หลายเดือนก่อน

    He did't use transcendant with TL and he was also able to use his nova bomb again as ThunderLord generates more super energy at almost the end of DPS, this would have surpassed Microcosm by a lot

  • @gen8901
    @gen8901 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Thunderlord is still an option.. UGHHH

    • @bust0ne
      @bust0ne หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's wrong with that

  • @Eqnotalent
    @Eqnotalent หลายเดือนก่อน

    If is a truly a dps test. Then it should be a timed based. Like how much dmg can u do in 20sec. And do the same for all the weapon in the test pool.

  • @solinvictus9453
    @solinvictus9453 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For game testing purposes, would it be beneficial to proc sniper meditation before popping still hunt’s Goldie shot(with or without celestial) or would it be too much of a dps loss to pop it during a damage phase? Maybe you could pop three shots into ads before the damage starts

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think with the sheer number of Cayde's you can pop (typically 6 or 7 within a full Witness damage phase), having that first one not be fully buffed isn't the end of the world.

  • @SAZABI_exe
    @SAZABI_exe หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Llama is the Aztecross Wish version

    • @Kiosk.
      @Kiosk. หลายเดือนก่อน

      I swear i thought this was an aztecross vid looking at the thumbnail

  • @nathanielboie2951
    @nathanielboie2951 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Against the warlords ruin ogre i always get a second nova bomb using micro on the 4th plate

  • @LewisMantillaDG
    @LewisMantillaDG หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sad to see that you didn’t even tried with the euphony rotation so it makes it look like euphony it’s actually garbage when you can easily do like 80% more total damage with its rotation. Tho good vid 👍🏻

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I did acknowledge that I missed a few crits, but even if I didn't, we're only looking at around 2.5/2.7m, which compared to the other rotations is nothing in comparison.

    • @LewisMantillaDG
      @LewisMantillaDG หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LlamaD2 but you manually reloaded instead of reloading with the nade and after the super throw instead of spamming melee and nades it's better to shoot and nade 3 times, that and adding up the rocket as well exactly as the still hunt rotation. One combo i'm looking forward for you to try is class item with apoth + star eater and popping transcendence after maxing spindles, also you can use facet of command for at least 1 or 2 auto reloads in the dps phase, all of that + apex explosive light, i`ve manage to do almost 6m to the witness with that combo in one phase

    • @LewisMantillaDG
      @LewisMantillaDG หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LlamaD2 keep it up with the dmg test videos, i really enjoy them and now with this artifact mods i'm wondering what will be your next video! 👌

  • @shred5396
    @shred5396 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you shoulda done actium war rig on titan with thunderlord so there's no reloading

  • @SpiritofFireMrVader
    @SpiritofFireMrVader หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always thought 'Microcosm' was named MACROcosm

  • @HighCharityYT
    @HighCharityYT หลายเดือนก่อน

    further proof that the content creators/commenters saying Celestial Still Hunt is the best damage in the history of the game have no idea what they're talking about when its barely 300k above 2nd place with the artifact boosting it, they just saw Hunter with an already optimal damage set up for contest and got whiny.

  • @crespito9286
    @crespito9286 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So thunderlord is better bc you got two supers and didnt proc transendence. The final damage including second nova and transendance might have honestly killed greg.

  • @dyscalculic
    @dyscalculic หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Charges your super so fast!

  • @cur1ous238
    @cur1ous238 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Llama help! I need a salvations edge raid mastery guide :D

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Perhaps

  • @rickykuijpers3179
    @rickykuijpers3179 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Have a like dude! Great channel.

  • @jackmason-dominguez512
    @jackmason-dominguez512 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you do a damage comparison with cloudstrike rotation you did to whisper and a still hunt rotation. Bc with the new artifact mods idk what ones better. ON TITAN bc we all know still hunt hunter rn destroys titans cloudstrike but not whisper it’s kinda close with whisper

  • @kylelipka9133
    @kylelipka9133 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    do kinetic damage boost mods work on mircocosm damage since its a kinetic beam?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes

    • @kylelipka9133
      @kylelipka9133 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LlamaD2 cool thanks. couldnt find any written literature of the interaction but figured it was coded the same

  • @kylewyle3342
    @kylewyle3342 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should do it on witness

  • @cuttda
    @cuttda หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wait, in your thunderlord test, why did you get so much super energy?

    • @pj_ammas9905
      @pj_ammas9905 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because Thunderlord is that guy

    • @voyager3951
      @voyager3951 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      There's something in destiny code where you get super energy back based on weapon hits, not just kills and I think it is coded per specific weapon archetype. I remember seeing an orpheous wishender nightstalker GM build and the guy would get his super back in like 30-60 seconds because wishender is a bow with a really slow draw time and really high damage but every time it hits it gets 3 damage numbers from piercing arrows, so basically triple super energy generation. Microcosm gave him a little more than half his super bar back by the end of the damage phase, so I guess machine guns in thunderlord's archetype are coded to give more super energy back per hit, but thunderlord also spawns lightning strikes which are basically extra hits, plus it increases it's rate of fire, so even faster super generation

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@voyager3951 you're basically correct. there are a few things that go into it, it's poorly understood and probably miserable to test thoroughly, but assuming they wanted it to be roughly equal across different archetypes of the same weapon category, Thunderlord ramps up to ~720rpm, with a lightning strike every 10 hits on top of that.
      Makes sense that Thunderlord would generate a ton of super provided the super formula is something like "a flat amount based on the weapon archetype, ammo type, and frame, plus another amount that is multiplied by the damage of the hit"--generally RPM increases are more DPS than damage increases in this game (which is balanced because they don't improve your total damage), and on top of that an RPM increase would give you the full amount more quickly while the damage increase would only give you a slightly bigger amount less frequently.
      This also explains the behavior of Wish-Ender (which I think did get a direct super gen nerf, but I might have made that up). Microcosm is by comparison a bespoke weapon frame which doesn't get pushed as hard by Paracausal Imbuement as Thunderlord's perks push Thunderlord.

  • @xTheLostLegendx
    @xTheLostLegendx หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What roll is the warlock bond? Star eaters and what?

    • @recunz69
      @recunz69 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apotheosis, hence the ability spam after super.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just Star Eater, I think my other perk was Osmiomancy or something, I unfortunately don't have the double bond

  • @hunprdtr8246
    @hunprdtr8246 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wheres whisper

  • @itskingcactus4618
    @itskingcactus4618 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That thunderlord test is a bit wrong because of the giant as hell chuck at the end 9:51

    • @aidenhutchinson7550
      @aidenhutchinson7550 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is actually a known bug when using high fire rate weapons

    • @aidenhutchinson7550
      @aidenhutchinson7550 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can look it up, but it’s been in the game for quite a while

  • @mrgungus
    @mrgungus หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Still not better than caster frame swords with 6.8 billion damage though

  • @user-xf6nr2jf7p
    @user-xf6nr2jf7p หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why didnt u use the helmet for worlock

  • @qPalee
    @qPalee หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the fact that the still hunt rotation wasnt even optimal by any means and it still dunked on everything else just speaks volumes on how good it is

  • @leDevLV
    @leDevLV หลายเดือนก่อน

    Euphony should be used with swarmers, not spend half dmg phase doing grenade/melee and then miss 50% of crits...

  • @b0ld651
    @b0ld651 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best laziest dps option is leviathans breath imo

  • @ToidiDestiny
    @ToidiDestiny หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    minion #1 reporting in to like and comment the video

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      :D

  • @chriscunningham8703
    @chriscunningham8703 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never bothered to get it, I know I’ll never use it!

  • @skvoigty4749
    @skvoigty4749 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this really damage testing or more like min maxing

  • @tomatensafthd2568
    @tomatensafthd2568 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:08 Still hunt 997,8K DMG 🤣

  • @surrealmeme8344
    @surrealmeme8344 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you hit more crits and rotate between a burst of euphony and threadling nade you should be able to hit around 6 mil with on the witness. Since the damage phase is shorter here It might be less but it's still an amazing damage exotic, definitely better than microcosm if you have it.

  • @willtaggart
    @willtaggart หลายเดือนก่อน

    The level of copium for thunder lord is astounding. The gun is just not good

  • @sircosta6200
    @sircosta6200 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sweet

  • @midgetmasher166
    @midgetmasher166 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    euphony and still hunt being labeled as "classics" is so odd they are a month old

  • @sinkusm
    @sinkusm หลายเดือนก่อน

    terrible euphony rotation, no reloads with ascension + million missed shots

  • @Kenkaneki-zu1vh
    @Kenkaneki-zu1vh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i didnt realise microchasm was that good i never even thought about getting it i only do like 2m dps with warlock + any rocket really i really should pick it up huh

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes indeed!

  • @sniffa763
    @sniffa763 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Your dps testing is just lazy man. Keep the variables the same; you’re interchanging so much stuff for no reason and the viewer exits with no conclusion made whatsoever.

    • @Green-wq7vb
      @Green-wq7vb หลายเดือนก่อน

      The stuff he changes is what you'd generally *actually use* on that different setup, though. What good would the video be if he wasn't comparing different setups, and using them in a way that reflects how *_they'd actually be used in-game?_*
      It's not a video about scientific rigor, it's about showing how different yet similar setups perform against a known target. If you just want plain old apples-to-apples numbers comparisons you can look at the online spreadsheets, no?

  • @lilwook2
    @lilwook2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey llama! :D

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hello my brother

  • @Smatawow
    @Smatawow หลายเดือนก่อน

    Apparently the ignition artifact mod just does not increase the damage despite it saying it does

    • @tylerviloria4699
      @tylerviloria4699 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It has a 2nd explosion that’s a bit hard to notice, aztecross pointed it out in his video about the new mods

    • @Smatawow
      @Smatawow หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tylerviloria4699 ah I see, just looked at cross' video. Thanks for the info

    • @tylerviloria4699
      @tylerviloria4699 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Smatawow of course

  • @Warr666
    @Warr666 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Euphony rotation was 💩

  • @iiswack
    @iiswack หลายเดือนก่อน

    noti gang

  • @gavinlambert2896
    @gavinlambert2896 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i mean realistically if you want lazy dps just run whisper or leviathan, or even 1k like genuinely we need to stop making thunderlord and micro seem good because there are better options for just ever so slightly more effort

  • @photon2408
    @photon2408 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First 🤓🤓🤓

  • @ramonradau6566
    @ramonradau6566 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    T-Lord might even be second place on that list, since you had no transcendence 🫣

  • @midgetmasher166
    @midgetmasher166 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tunderlord