Motorcycle Oil Debate | Rotella | Huge Dirt Biker | Highland Cycles
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- What motorcycle oil should you use? Is Rotella a good oil?
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I use Rotella in everything I own. I even use it to brush my teeth and make vinaigrette salad dressings
🤣🤣 amen. Fuck Cancer
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Same boat.
And we purchase it at Walmart
I prefer to drink brake fluid. Don’t worry I can stop at any time.
Lol great comment
The new jugs of T6 show a picture of a motorcycle as well as a car and truck!
Hi,Slav here. So I’m main engineer on big oil company, very important man, and im mixing this oil by myself for about 50 years, so big experience here, and I can say it doesn’t matter what you put inside your engine it’s gonna blow up anyway because you don’t clean and oil your air filter.
I disagree I work as a refinery process engineer and while yes your air filter is important. At most it will dirty your oil faster not make your engine blow up and higher traces of silicone
I disagree with you both. A dirty air filter will restrict airflow and cause your engine to run like crap but it doesn’t effect your oil
you have no idea about mechanics ,we are talking about 2 strokes ,the gear oil has nothing to do with the engine @@alejandrotobienne8220
Rotella for life! 2 strokes, 4 strokes. Never will compromise with the best oil for motos. I’m happy you keep bashing it because I need it to remain cheap! Tell everybody to buy the expense stuff!! Shhhh about my rotella.
Exactly. I am just trying to help
OK, here we go again. I am a 65 year old man who has been riding since I was six. I'm not saying I'm an expert I just have a lot of years of saddle time. In early 2000 I herd some people talking about Rotella T6 and decided to give it a try on my Triumph Sprint RS. I noticed a difference in shifting and engine feedback. Previously it had the high dollar Castrol full synthetic which at the time was around $40 a gallon. I found Rotella T6 for less than $20 at Wally world. Since 2000 I've used it in my Triumph Sprint, Husqvarna TR 650, Suzuki 3rd gen Hayabusa, Kawasaki Ninja 1000, Suzuki SV 650 and SV 1000 without a hint of a problem. Changed oil every 2500 miles and probably saved $1000 by using Rotella oil and K&N oil filters. No scientific data just my own results for what I choose to use in my bikes. In addition, I use it in my 98 Z28, and my 2008 GMC SIERRA. In fact, the only thing I don't use it in is my 68 Chevelle. It has a flat tappet engine so I choose to use high zinc Dino oil in her.
Sincerely,
Rich USN veteran.
Yep, Ive run the T-4 in my Vmax for 5 yrs, and I'm running the T-6 15-40 in my Kawasaki Concours 14. Been running it for 7 yrs with the original clutch. 55k on the odometer.
I change the oil about every 2500 miles
Morgan I love your style, knowledge, and sense of humor. You deserve a lot more subs. Keep pumpin the videos out 👍
According to Dirt Bike TV, all or most major Supercross/Motorcross Teams use Rotella T4 and he states that's all they use and never had an issue. I use it in my KLR and so far so good.
This vid is a few years old. But as of 2024 shell rotella has motorcycles listed for the T6 5w-40 diesel oil.
just saw that last week in the USA.
I keep hearing this about motorcycle engines running higher RPMs and higher heat and that’s why Rotella isn’t good. T4 and T6 literally are made to run in turbo diesel engines with turbos spinning at 10s of thousands higher RPMs than a bike engine, at temperatures that would make a dirt bike melt completely.
I like the oil debate but we need to be very accurate in what we are talking about to make the debate worthwhile.
Anyway, good video and thanks for the debatable topic.
Don’t forget there are also turbo chargers that spin at over 100,000 RPM and diesel engines used in mining/construction applications sometimes or a lot of the time work 24/7 especially in the winter where they do not turn equipment off.
I’ve been flogging dirt and street bikes for years using T6 mainly with no engine related failures. Riding and racing at a high level. Rotella is as good as the other best oils in the category. But hey, use whatever makes you feel comfortable.
Some street guys use it at the track days. T6 is and Rotella for turbos. Turbos get hotter than any bike heat could produce.
What's wrong with moto oi? I can't figure out this need to switch to dark secret oil. I love the fact you have to specify that you haven't have an oil related failures. People who run moto oil don't have to state this fact and life is easy haha. The thing most people overlook is what happens to rotella under extreme heat, do a little bit more research and you will connect the dots to why clutches slip under extreme heat with diesel oil. Not hot engine enduro baby slips. Proper moto fourth gear 450 slipping in a rut, clutch will be done in a single lap if you run rotella.
@gorillam2 you are absolutely wrong. Lmfao. I know many high level, hard on the clutch riders and can't find one who has had issues with Rotella. Stop telling stories. 😂😂
I have been using T6 in my diesel trucks for 20+ years and it has worked awesome! My powerstroke is similar to my motorcycle engine so im sure it will work awesome in my bike too. 🤣
It will it just gets dark from the additives quicker than anything. But it’s pretty good stuff as if you’ve seen an engine tear down. It leaves little to no wear when used properly. Running it like a raped ape all bets are off but used accordingly it’s great stuff.
I use Rotella T4 in every vehicle I own: cars, trucks, 2T and 4T bikes, etc. never had an oil related failure. Change it more often than full synthetic.
It’s more that Rotella is non-energy conserving that makes it safe for wet clutches. But everyone gets hung up on the diesel aspect of it.
Thanks brother. Always take something away from your videos and I appreciate you and all that you do. Happy new year.
Happy new year!
Walmarts T6 5w 40 pics show motorcycle now. I'm sure the debate continues though. Taste Great. Less Filling.lol
The best part is when you hound on Jeff - cracks me up and makes me come back for more. Love both you guys.
Hehehe. Thanks
Haha I got a kick out of that too. What does Jeff think of it?
In 2011 or 2012 at the General GNCC, my pit was across from Paul Whibley. Before the race, I watched his mechanic pour white bottle Rotella in his YZ450. I walked over and asked about it, and the guy said that was what Rekluse told him to use. I don't think Rekluse suggests Rotella now since they have their own oil, but for a top-level team such as that to use it, I was on it after that. Zero problems after an unknown amount of races in 10 years in local Hairscramble Vet A and a couple of years in AA.
Correct. Same in Nat.Enduro. Factory KTM mechanic was using it in the 2000s. Ive used it ever since in everything. T6 goes in my 24 tbi 250 though.
I feel insulted! No comments about us guys who run ATF Type F in our 2T gearboxes? Shame on you! LOL! ATF starts lots of flame wars. Been running it on all mt 2T's forever. Over 1000 hours on one bottom end running it. Bring on the haters! Oh, and Lucas semi-synthetic 2T oil as well. :p
Rotella T6 for slow hard trail riding 300xcw. Change every 10hrs. Works for me, no issues 180hrs. I buy it by the pail and use it in my pickup, lawn mower and ATV as well.
if it meets jaso standards and viscosity requirements it will be ok. but for the few dollars difference, it's probably best to use what the manufacurer recommends.
Back when KTM four strokes use to suck the KTM factory team in Canada ran Rotella in their bikes. It was the only thing that kept them going. I probably would use it in a modern four stroke bike but I have used it in my two strokes transmissions for the last 5 years and with great results.
Good info! Thanks! With that said I know everything!
I am glad you brought up flashpoints. Many are not familiar with this. I use Amsoil Dominator for that reason. The flashpoint is lower on this oil than some of the old conventional two stroke oils that we are familiar with. I rarely get spooge out of the exhaust and my power valves in my bikes are always looking good.
Low ash oil and your good.
Alot of people do not know but this oil is simply for the clutch and gear box and does nothing for your crankshaft and piston on a 2 smoker. I use Rotella for both my 2 and 4 stroke engines. Cheap oil changed often is what Jay Clarke says the guy who builds all the bikes for the magazine's. I'm gonna say he knows what's up.
Jay is not going hard though, so whatever oil you use (with MA/MA2 spec) if you change it at 5 hours intervals and not riding hard it's fine. If you are bouncing of the rev limiter a lot then i would not trust rotela t6.
Engine rebuilds are a lot of money for a 4 stroke, i am willing to pay i bit extra for a good motorcycle oil.
@@kananisA75 Pro MX/SX KTM factory bikes and a few other factory teams used Rotella for years. I think those guys ride plenty hard enough lol.
@@SkinnySkinch that’s a myth. No pro racer uses rotella.
@@SkinnySkinch source for this?
Because I really don't think they did.
It would be stupid to use rotela when they get motorex for free.
@@kananisA75 VitalMX has an article about it. I can’t post links on TH-cam but just google “did KTM factory teams use Rotella”
Hey Morgan, what ratio are you mixing on your 23 300XC
I use Rotella T4 in most of my stuff. It fixed some sticky clutches in bikes that had only factory oil previously.
4 strokes - my son runs Rotella 5w-40 synthetic in Kawi & Suzukis, I've been running Mobil 1 0w-40 (Hondas both crank and trans) for years after starting to run it for ice racing. Engines are always clean, no wear issues and no failures, lots of miles and hours, enduros, harescrambles, trail riding and ice racing. We've had our current bikes for 10 years. Take care of them and they just keeping going and going. Use Amzoil Dominator for 2 smokes. Less experience on 2 strokes.
You mention temps being a concern but with diesel motors yes the RPM are less but often temps are a bit higher especially due to the turbos of turbo diesels. My truck often sees exhaust gas temps of 1,200F+ oil temps get up to the 250F when pulling heavy trailers up grade. 4:34
Nice job Morgan! Thanks 👍🏼
My pleasure!
regarding the rpm diesel turbochargers that are oil lubricated turn in excess of 150,000 rpm and are rated for continuous use at 1,750 degrees. IDK if the moto specific oils are better but I live in a rural area and am 1.5 hours from a powersports dealer. I like the fact that I can go to any parts store or walmart and find the oil easily. I have ran rotella in all of my dirtbikes since 2005 in motocross and harescramble races, 4 different generators, can-am x3 turbo, polaris rzr, 140hp suzuki outboard, 8 hp mercury outboard, wood splitter, two separate f250 powerstrokes, yamaha fz-09 streetbike, suzuki sv650, suzuki drz400. I have never had one single engine, gearcase, or clutch failure in any of the above. Its nice to have one oil jug on the shelf to serve them all.
2015 KTM 300 XCW with 650 hrs using Shell Rotella T4. Here’s the motorcycle rating directly from the bottle, JASO DH-2, MA, MA2.
Originally the T4 was for diesel engines which run very hot and are “extremely” violent inside, far more than a rung-out -stroke tranny. Don’t use synthetic it’s too slick, use the conventional T4.
As for pre-mix, I use Amsoil Saber at 60:1, it runs clean and my crank went 500+ hrs before showing signs of needing rebuild. That includes a box of trophies!
Over 40 years ago I learned the value of maintenance. I rebuilt the top end on my 79 yz80 cleaned out the carb (I learned to value a fuel filter) and serviced my transmission and air filter regularly. I put many many hours on the mini bikes I had. I learned how to jet a carb and I bought yamalube R pre mix by the case. I bought all of my bikes growing up and if I had a dad like Morgan I would have at least 1 baja 1000 class win.
What I recently noticed when I went from super m to maxima k20 is that it felt as if I needed to go down in jet size with the full synthetic so I went back to the super m
great stuff. more please!
Also a key note to save money is to have multiple bikes that are similar in brand or type. I had all KTM at one point it made parts and oil a snap.
I’ve become a big fan of Motul. 710 premix and their gear box oil.
I'm a simple 2-wheel riding & talking hairy man , i use whats in the manual until i feel its not working good. Which turned out to be my previous GasGas trials bike it would slip & run hot on the stock sugested 75W. 80W worked good and also the transmission fluid dextron 4 i believe it was worked well as well. Also running 80:1 instead of the 40:1 the manual called for in the mix. Always trying different 2 stroke mix oil just to see but the bel-ray hr-1 / si-7 are some of my favorite will try the motorex 2t a go i think i have some they gave me with my TPI so it might be awesome.
Morgan, great info sir. You are very correct about Amsoil Saber. It says in the Amsoil catalog that it is for "handheld two-stroke equipment at any mix ratio up to 100.1." The Amsoil Dominator is a 2- stroke racing oil. "Delivers outstanding wear protection in high-horsepower and modified racing or trail motors, including snowmobiles, motorcycles, ATVs, personal watercraft, go-carts and outboard motors." I am an Amsoil Independent Dealer, new to Amsoil but not new to the products I represent. We all should educate each other. And it's ok to disagree. You can't tell grown people what to do as my uncle would say. Thank you Morgan for your insight. I got myself edgeumacated this evening. I do have a few motorcycle accts and I'm learning a lot about a lot of areas in this oil business.
Just a few years back the label did say it was for motorcycles and because of there new products coming out they removed motorcycles from the label. So, there you have it.
I'm simple I just keep my bikes all at 32 to 1 and make sure my carburetors nice and clean and tuned and jetted properly and check for air leaks love your channel man!!!
Thanks man
I’m a walking contradiction to this, I’ve ran nothing but Rotella for the last 15 years in every dirt bike I’ve owned whether 2t or 4th. I’ve also been using Amsoil Sabre for the last 6-7 years in my 2 strokes and have not had one issue or concerns after doing rebuilds. To each their own when it comes to oil.
Absolutely. It’s all about what works for you.
Oh, man, thank you for the music change on the intro.
Good job on video. Thanks for talking about Flashpoint. probably most important on 2t bikes depending on how you ride. Slow woods and technical single track and my riding style the lower flashpoints work better for me. Desert riding and full pin racing is a different story. All the dealers try to sell me Motul 800 which has a crazy high Flashpoint of of close to 500. Anything from say 190 f to 220 works for me. But yeah keep your filters on clean and go ride. And spend a few minutes re packing your muffler every once in a while!
Also keep in mind modern 4 strokes keep 900-1100 m liters , so not a lot of oil.
I prefer to pay a bit extra for motorcycle specific oil (in Europe the difference in money is small) and have my head clear.
4 stroke rebuilds are A LOT of money.
As for 2 stroke i have been using Motorex at 50:1 and it's been perfect in woods riding, mx riding and in sand with pinned 5th gear. It's all in the jetting guys!!!
For Gearbox oil, i use the motul 10w40 transmission oil and it's fine, but i will i try some belray gear saver 75W that i have in my garage.
Another great review, I use cross power, only time I got spouge was when I had the PV turned in too much. Was using Motorex in the gearbox, was getting too much clutch drag !! Watched your review on the Bellray Gear saver 80W, switched to that, and NO clutch drag !! a much better inho, Thanks for the tips 😊
Stoked
when the oil meets the spec, it meets the spec. JASO MA/MA2 meets the spec of what I have. we dont need to look to the manufacturer to "recommend" anything.
T6 for the win,!!!!!!!
Can you rebuild crankshafts?
I use Crosspower 2T in my '22 EC 300 with TPI/oil injection and GearSaver 80W in the trans. In my '03 Honda CR250 I run Amsoil Dominator and GearSaver or Honda HP1 in the trans. I find the transmission shifts better and doesn't jump out of gear or false neutral like Motorex or Rotella can.
Tried T6 in my CBR929RR. Ran it for 1 day and saw bubbles in the sight glass. Didnt like that so i drained it and replaced it. No damage but didnt feel comfortable.
Love your videos. My opinion is that i have a yz250x i ride tight woods with that has 350hrs on it and still has the oem clutch and i probably change it half as often as i should. I have a dr650 that has 40k on it with zero issues. An xr650r with zero issues. If all experiences with rotella are positive than does it really matter if it is recommended for motorcycles from the factory? Granted i do believe you when you say a dedicated gear oil works better but i have 5 gallon jugs of rotella and i just put it in every single vehicle i own cars and bikes.
I still bought t6 but super nice to find a multiple angled perspective on the matter.
100% agree with everything you said.
I think the premix ratio topic would be entertaining! :)
I dont know if youll see this being the video is a year old.love all your videos, i always learn something so thank you for that,thank you for making them. You alone taught me how to rebuild my sons carb on his 99yz125. You recommended the jd jetting kit, and block seal gasket in the carb no one else ever mentions. It was all spot on advice. His bike runs like a rapped ape. It was previously spooging some and fouling out the plug after few rides. We got it tuned right and it was good until we got cold then foul plug again. I leaned it out more and its been good. Hes running motol 800 for mix 40.1 , and motol 10 40 for bottom end. What year is your sons yz and what have yall been using for it? Once again thanks for all the awsome vids.
It’s an 05 and he runs 40:1 motorex
Cool to hear another preach the dino oil. I'm a fan
Hey, I just rebuild my 2016 yz450f but my oil is milky. It isn’t milky in the radiator. New water pump seals and head gaskets. I even put a lil swipe of grey gasket maker on the head gaskets. At first I did start the bike with out coolant, do you think I damage the new water pump seals? What you think the problem might be?
Not sure man. Hard to guess
Hey just putting it out there but I’ve been put on to using dsg gearbox oil in my crf gearbox side only went from saving my day of riding from slipping clutch to ripping on the track in minutes and money on clutches after replacing clutch for peace of mind
I use bel-ray oil in both my machines four stroke and a two stroke and I've never had an issue so I don't see why changing from that. 🤘🤘
Had umpteen problems ending in a concussion with my 97 RM250 not disengaging clutch with no obvious mechanical issue (notches in basket/hub). Reluctantly delved into the forums to find I wasn't alone and was put onto Dextron 3 ATF and worked a treat 🤷♂️ gotta run what works.
If you need a few extra hp in a hurry, use Less than 0W oil. I did it often for dyno days or if I was racing something equally as fast as me. Never noticed any negative effects on the engines components. It will make more noise though, but I promise it will be fine for limited use.
Motul makes drool! Made the switch to Crosspower 2T a while ago and have not looked back.
Been running Rock Oil Synthetic Gear Oil in the gear box. The Lite version works fine too. The other is just rated for higher temps, and the price isn't that far off.
For 2 stroke oil ratio go by the recommendation on the oil bottle not the bike's manual!
I use the Gearsaver also and it feels and looks like automotive transmission oil.
I prefer Amsoil. Ran this in my 76 gt500 CCI system and Honda hp (red bottle) in crankcase. The mechanic that performed overhaul told me the bearings looked brand new for the age. I prefer Amsoil interceptor for the TPI bikes. The Gear Saver 80w is going in all dirt bike crankcases. None of my bikes have blown up or had transmission issues. Whatever your choices are don't be cheap and keep it clean. Brap on!!
Amsoil is great but it loses on some instances. And unless you get it at a good price a group 3 oil is just fine. I get Metric 10w40 at 13 dollars a quart vs 12 for Mobil 1 T4. Versus 16 a quart. But I don’t mind tossing in T6 15W40 from time to time.
I've been running Castrol Power1 Racing 2T for a while now in my 300 KTM. It's half the price of blessed oils where I get it from and works very good for enduro style riding as it burns fast and clean. I forgot that spooge was a thing after switching to it.
I also run the 4T oil from the same Castrol line in my gearbox with good results. Works the same as any other engine oil, also at half the price. I'll try some Gear Saver though, as it seems to make sense to run an oil that's specific for a separate gearbox and a clutch as is the case for two stroke bikes, rather than have the engine oil in there with a makeup designed primarily for a very different purpose in the top end.
ATeam off road recommends: DR650 Back road put put Rotella, Sherco 500sef race bike Maxima ProPlus+, 300se Hard Enduro Maxima 530 (We like ATF for great clutch feel but too much wear with a lot of abuse). Burning SuperM because it is soo clean at low RPM. VP Trials fuel at the important races.
Hi do you have a website?
I was using Amsoil gear oil forever and decided to try Rotella T4 in my KTM 200 and YZ125X based on all the favorable reviews. I honestly cannot tell the difference between them and love the performance of both. Perhaps if I didn't change it frequently I'd notice the difference down the line. I've gone back and forth with Amsoil Dirt and Rotella T4 on my 230F and can't tell the difference either. I do change within the 600 mile recommendation though....and a 230F would probably run fine on anything. Many folks say the thicker oil will make the CRF run hotter. My Vapor thermometer was indicating identical temperatures. Ran the Amsoil 10W40 Dirt up to 700 miles in the CRF and the consistency was like water color paint when I drained it.
Just remember Rotella is made to handle Turbo heat. Unless your trans is getting that hot. I wouldn’t worry too much. And that low a mileage you might as well just grab a 5 quart jug and have at least 3 changes.
is this 2 stroke gear oil he's recommending? Bel-Ray 80W Gear Saver Transmission/Hypoid Oil 99250-B1LW
Big amsoil fan myself. Noticed a difference the first time i used it. Maybe all in my head who knows. Its not cheap but my biggest concern with bike maintenance has always been reliability over price. I hate getting stranded in the middle of the desert. Run what you like just as long as it gets you out there riding!
Amsoil here too 🤟😁
All I use is Amsoil. tried many and nothing compares, Project Farm did a good test.
@@jetdr I saw that video from PF
It's official t6 has a photo of a cycle on the front of packaging and the jaso specs ma and ma2 are there
There is no issue using it in any cycle
Metro 50, z125 pro and my 2023 gts 300 will get 5w40 full syn rotella t6 without hesitation
Well everyone debating the oil mentioned but I am asking for an opinion on Belray 2T mineral oil ….. I have for many years used Amsoil synthetic dominator with very good results but definitely spooge on the tail pipe. I purchased my first Beta 200rr with oil injection and the dealer recommended the Belray Mineral 2T. Just wondering if anyone has used this and their opinion on this oil. Dealer said his personal experience over many years riding is less build-up/ clogging, including power valves.
Great points in your video. I own a Ram 3500 with the 6.7 Cummins Turbo diesel and i tow a boat in the desert southwest where temps can get over 115 degress and ive always used Rotella T6 in it as that truck gets super hot but can take it. I say that because i also own 5 dirt bikes 4 2Ts and 1 YZ450 and I've been soooooo temped to use T6 in them all, including my boat as well. But for whatever reason I continue using Bel-ray SL2 for my premix, and the Bel-ray synthetic for my 450 and Im just not comfortable making the switch. Also my boat engine is a Mercruiser 5.7 so I use the manufacturer suggested Quicksilver oil. Regardless I'm certain Rotella is a great oil as most in these comments suggest.
Project farm tested a fancy 2stroke versus Walmart 2stroke oil. The Walmart takes forever to burn off. It will definitely work great for those that ride like Eli T. or want lots of spooge!
A guy i ride with. Had a 17 250 KTM it had over 600 hours on original clutch. It was all Rotella. I would say that is impressive
Very. My 12 300XC had 550 hrs on stock clutch when I sold it. That was on Belray Gearsaver
For about 15 years (From my teens through my mid 30s) I ran regular car oil. I'd use whatever was cheapest in all my bikes. Over that timeframe, I put probably 100k miles on a mix of Cruisers, rockets and enduros and I NEVER had an issue with a clutch slipping. After I paid off my house and eliminated all car loans around 10 years ago, and I actually had some specinding money, I switched to bike specific oil. Now the Wally world bike oil is about $10 per quart. I now have multiple ATVs (No more bikes) and I'm switching to Rotella T6 as. Sounds like everyone else is having good luck with it.
Engineer here lol As for Rotella not being for high rpm applications, diesels often use turbos which are way higher rpm and generate alot of shear stresses and that is part of why it holds up well in tests and its very common for use in turbo cars. I'm a fan of T6 in everything that it meets specs. My cars now require 0w so not an option but my Grom has always had it run in there and 35kmiles still original top end and no burning oil(big issue on grom even at low miles) and used it in my recently sold turbo miata, mazdaspeed3, and VW TDI. I dont really care if someone doesnt want to use it so I dont push others to use it. Everything Ive studied says its fine and it saves me alot in long run in time finding the right oil for each vehicle and I just get 2.5gal at time so able change oil easily and often.
How do you feel about T4 in 4 stroke dirt bikes?
See, that is why we are here. For education.
@@watts300 Ive never checked T4 but if its rated for wet clutches and changed often as he talked about at then end it should be fine. I had some friends who ran it in their wr450r but he sold it a few months later so no long term use Ive seen in person
Yep...turbo cartridges get crazy hot with EGTs well over 1000* and turbines spin over 200,000rpm. Rotella is fine
@@brianjones7681 Less than 0w works fine as well. The problems using inappropriate oil show up after thousands or tens of thousands of miles.
Looking down on you. Lol. Jeff loves it
Hey klr 250 guy here lol just bought a 2002 xr 250 r so ya what oil do you recommend I use?
I would use some inexpensive petroleum based Moto oil.
If Jay Clark runs rotella t4 15w-40 that is good enough for me
Rotella is perfectly fine for bike transmissions/wet clutches. I'll put that shit in anything.
I run dominator at 40:1 on my yz250x. Repack the exhaust every 30-40 hours. Royal purple in 10w40 in the gear box.
how about recleuse auto in 2020 ktm 450 xc? been using ktm factory oil?
Should be good
Ktms have noisy transmissions Morgan do you find running the gear saver vs motor oil in the transmission quiets down the tranny
Not sure it’s quieter but it shifts better
I was all for 15w40 diesel oil on my 16 300 but the gear shift was so notchy. I refilled will proper gear oil and the gears changed like butter again
Agree
rotella t4 used once in my klr 650 made my sight glass look like a pissed stained toilet bowl rim.... never again! had to clean it manualy when i rebuilt the water pump. thankfully it didn't apear to leave any deposits on any other parts.
For a well maintained RM250 and Beta300 - after trying the following for multiple oil change intervals - Amsoil, Rotella T6, Motul - I cannot tell a difference in performance, shifting, etc.
I use to run T6 in my RM125 and Klutz racing T2 in fuel. Great compilation honestly. And I’m surprised no one here has mentioned running Klutz as it’s actually got alcohol para’s to aid in complete burn off.
A factory rider wrench told me he didn't care what you run for oil but change it after every ride. For motocross no more than 4 hours. For trail riding x3 or 4.
Is 80W gear oil JASO MA LABELED??
If not wont the clutch slip?
Yes it is
Great Video! I have an older KTM EXC 2T. When I first got it, the clutch basket was notched and I did not have the money at the time to replace everything. The bike would not run in gear at idle without popping the throttle. I tried shell Rotella and it had a lot of plate stickage. So I went to atf and burned up my plates in one ride like an idiot. I finally switched to John Deere Hydraulic Oil because of the similarity of the clutches and transmissions to tractors and the clutch feel is amazing. Sorry this is so long. My 2 cents. 2.5 gallons for $18.00
Great info
You talk a lot of sense totally agree with you, who makes gear saver👍
BelRay
FYI - Rotlla t4, t6 carry motorcycle applications on the bottle / application lists now
No formula change.
I use crude, straight out of the ground never let me down yet!
Back in 1993 I was running car oil tranny in my cr250 replacing every couple hours , my friend same bike ran Belray Gear saver, he didnt change as often.
Guess who burned up a clutch first?
it wasnt the car oil , The gear saver might last alittle longer but not too much longer
Morgan where do you buy your gear saver 80w
From me! I am a WPS dealer
When you start looking into where the brands of oil come from, things get interesting.
I am sure. The way I see it is that it is all the same with different packaging and additives
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doode, atf in forks?
I have a 2023 ktm 250 sx. The break in oil was good. I changed to Motorex bs the dealer sold me 10/30 . It would not shift on the pipe.
I put in Amsoil 1040 full synthetic and it shifts fine now .
How do you feel about Honda red gear oil
Honda gear oil is very good
Would be better if it was blue.
Run the recommended 2T motorex in my Gas Gas (TPI). Switched to it when I bought the TPI. Moving my wifes 200xc-w to it as well. Run the Belray gearsaver 80wt. in the trans. Been using that since 2013. Like it. no issues. Tried Rottella once. I tried to like it (I'm cheap what can I say). I felt it shifted funky really quickly and left me wanting to change it after the first ride. I gave the left over stuff to my brother for his diesel pickup and didn't look back.
Same here. The gear shifting was so notchy. Swapped in some maxima gear oil cause it was the cheapest and it shifts like butter
Weird, I run T4 in my '14 TE300, and shifting is buttery.
I use Motul 800 for my Road 2-stroke hi flash Point good for long engine braking through corners and I use to use 800 2t in my 2007 RM250 back in the day never got much oil out the pipe 40:1 .800 2t no good for idling around everywhere best go for something like 710 or motorex