WHO POSTED THIS IMPOSTER I JUST SAW YOU JAMMING YOUR ASS OFF IT WAS AWESOME BUT YOU SAID COME SAY HI😢 DUDEEE did you rly leave cuz you think there's no fans in Toronto??
Exactly. It's what happened here, it's what's happening with heily and Selena and when you point it out to them they shrug and keep doing it cause the other person is supposedly deserves it.
Maybe they should’ve told her not to film anything when they’re clearly in view, but she shouldn’t have really been filming herself in that atmosphere anyway. It’s awkward for everyone. And yeah, if you’re filming someone else, they might be annoyed since they didn’t consent to it 🤷♀️
That is the most important take away, I think. People think they need to shame these girls publicly and never let them live it down- its like everyone is just black/white about the situation. Even us right now talking about it is similar- i suppose its just that we (the comment section) seem neutral about it. Not living to the extremes that are so loud on tiktok and twitter right now.
This is pretty much the same thing that happens every time a KPop idol has a bullying scandal. Accusations are made and without any solid proof that these accusations are true, people start attacking that person until their career is gone. Some even become depressed or have committed suicide from the hate. It's just awful
Right!! Like there ARE people who deserve that don’t get me wrong but this situation?? The doxxing is far more cruel than the ASSUMED “bullying” in my opinion!
You can bet anytime someone is filming in my gym and doesn’t ask if I’m ok with being in the shot first I’m doing everything I can to make the clip look like shit. Not everyone wants to be part of your online fantasy life. I have anxiety, it could be bullying to put me suddenly on a live of you working out. Gonna get a lot of fingers from me lmao
@@HiChloeI’m assuming this is only after you’ve gone up and said “hey I’m not comfortable being in your shot please move it” right? Wild to act out without first having tried to be a normal civil adult- totally justified if you did though and they ignored it/were rude and continued.
@@blending_in so true, it’s totally normal to film strangers in a private building without their consent. It’s way weirder to not want that to be a default. For sure.
as someone who goes to the same school,, this is genuinely the most USC situation i’ve seen 💀 everyone involved being unlikeable but everything being blown wayyyy out of proportion
It wasnt an apology, its an explanation. The same way influencers have a responsibility with their audience, they are also responsible for their surroundings im with the girls, u dont shove a camera in my face and call me not preforming a "bully" 🙄, she is too fragile to be on the internet
I don't think it's just chronically online people. It's just easier to destroy two random college students and feel like some justice was made than to like, actually do something against people who deserve to have their life ruined
@@CanIswearinmyhandle truee I think majority of those ppl are chronically online cause if u actually have a life why tf would u care abt such things it doesn't make sense But like u said only if ppl did stuff like this for the ppl who actually deserve it
@@cuppy. You really don't need to be "chronically online" to get wrapped up in nonsense that doesn't affect you in any way. People have gossiped for thousands of years; we are a species who loves shit talking lol. Engaging with other people's misfortune from a safe distance is normal, and the internet made it so that everyone could do it anonymously all the time with very little effort. It really doesn't take that much time or energy to say or write something nasty about someone, and it takes even less time to convince yourself that you were correct to do so.
The internet is so scary. I saw that video on instagram and thought that it was sad and unfortunate, and I hoped that Jackie recovered from it. And then I scrolled past. The fact that people took it this far is so insane to me. Just leave a comment with your condolences and MOVE ON
@@Dr.Armchair please be serious for a second… do you actually think someone’s life was threatened over this? any bored person with a keyboard can send someone a message on instagram but that doesn’t make it a valid “threat” in any way. people love to use the term “de**h threat” & just run with it because it sounds scary, as if it holds any meaning in this day & age 99% of the time🙄
@@InaneBlatherPodcast making fun of someone for no reason and making her literally feel insecure about herself ppl like that are why I have confidence issues
To be honest, the tiktoker uploaded that video with the intention of her audience to harass the girls, because you can't tell me that the reaction of the people wasn't expected...otherwise she would've just talked about it without showing any footage or at least blured the faces of the girls
I feel like the people who are mad and calling this bullying have never actually been bullied. Someone making fun of you because you’re provoking them by recording them without their consent doesn’t classify as bullying lmao
I think calling their video an “apology” or even comparing it to one is wrong. They aren’t sorry, they just are trying to explain why they behaved that way so people will stop being crazy. I think they didn’t have to be mean but also don’t film people without their permission, I know damn well I hate being filmed without permission and I’d say some shit about it.
She wasn’t recording them. They just happen to appear in the video. She didn’t go out of her way to record them. They did however go out of their way to be mean and also purposely recorded her
@@emrod9577 people are acting like the Camera was set up to directly catch them. Clearly the girl was taking pictures 😂they are in public and just happened to be in the back
The reason why they said they weren’t bullying the girl was that the husband was recording with the rear facing camera and they couldn’t see the girl on there and they were reacting to a man filming them for 5-10 minutes. So them calling the man lame and flipping him off etc was very different than them bullying the girl for getting a picture taken.
They are also very pretty women so when you are aware of that, some of the things that men tend to do can come off as understandably creepy. Pretty or not, but I’m sure they deal with weirdness from guys on a regular basis and that can sort of put you on the defensive with men.
also the woman who got “bullied” is grown. She doesn’t need the help of the internet, just like them she could’ve easily stepped in and said something.
Right?? I thought it was weird that she even posted it! It got blown out of proportion more than usual but in general it's weird to post people in bad faith on an app where you have fans.
This is the definition of bully. It has to b habitual aka happens over and over and over again. This was a one time thing. Sure may it be bad what they did . But by definition is NOT BULLYING. Also the girl continued to film so hmm a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable.
Also sure did it seem bad what they did. But I also hate people filminf other people without their consent and mock them. What should have happend was the three girls should have handled it privately tbh. But ofc I understand she was sad. But I do think there’s three sides to every story.
@@pinecone189exactly! I think it’s just as bad to put people out on the internet for every one to mock. Harrasment against anyone is wrong. And these people also has family coworkers etc that now are being affected. Mocking is bad even if it’s not bullying ofc .
19:41 She didn’t stand up for herself and she was looking for people to go on a witch hunt. Don’t be silly. She knew. Jackie should not have posted the vid and the girls shouldn’t have done whst they did
& she had 50k followers before the vid even went up so… although what the girls did wasn’t the best, Jackie knew what she was doing by posting the vid. She was upset at how they were acting & wanted her revenge tbh
with all due respect, being recorded without consent is weird enough on it’s own; but mocking someone while being right behind them is just as weird. they’re both in the wrong for different reasons. THEN AGAIN - that doesn’t put anyone in the position to literally fucking dox someone and tell people to ‘save’ what their faces look like. both situations (the recording and doxxing) are forms of invasion of privacy. this whole situation is super gross lmfao edit recording in public is obviously okay, guys lmao. im neutral on this whole situation and no one involved should be defended.. only thing im ‘defending’ is the fact no one involved should have been doxxed. thats a step too far
honestly, i moreso blame the girl that even uploaded the video than the two girls. i'm sorry that she was made to feel self conscious, but she should not have put these girl's faces on her very public platform. she had hundreds of thousands of followers and regularly got at least one million views per video; she should have known not to post nonconsensual videos of these girls, no matter how upset she was. that is just part of being an influencer. i think the internet has just made us too complacent in the nonconsensual filming and exploitation of strangers. and, yeah, it's not cool to mock someone, but two minutes of heckling does not warrant your face being blasted to countless people online. edit: whoops, mb! she wasn't consistently getting over a million views per video, that number likely only spiked after the drama. but she was still getting at least 10-50k per video (on the lower end, a lot of her other videos did very well), so, def still a sizable platform that should have been managed better.
All they did really was flip her off and photobomb her? Honestly, the girl who posted it is sus. Yes, they were rude and immature but calling it bullying and painting yourself as a victim to hundreds of people is crazy behavior. Even her "stop the hate" video was like "they got what they deserved but now it's enough". Okay, you can't undoxx someone though? So where do we go from here? To put the time and energy into purposefully editing a video of two strangers you don't even know to make them seem like villains to your online fanbase, and then act so surprised when those strangers receive harassment is disingenuous to me. And the fact she hasn't taken down the video or seemed like she's sorry for it is quite telling.
@@MartyMcNasty I was thinking exactly this! how many times have we seen tiktoks of people in their cars saying "omg x happened and it made me feel y" and they get the same validation from their fanbase and no one gets doxxed. She was not thinking! (or worse, she was!)
Just in general a good thing to keep in mind is that public places are not always photoshoot opportunities. You could catch someone who doesn't want to be in your pictures and won't be shy about letting you know.
So long as it's legal, you can do what you like in a public space. Who cares if someone doesn't like that you're taking photos? doxxing is messed up, but trying to somehow make the tiktoker a villian is very weird of a lot of these comments.
@@commandery3574ummmm no. just because something is legal doesn't mean it's OK. you should be considerate of others. other people are not npcs in your life story.
Yeah especially because there are people in public that might have “secret” Identities because they have left dangerous situations so some uploading there faces online could put people in danger
As someone who works in the service industry, I deal a lot with people filming me without my permission, sometimes without my knowledge. I cant believe we've gotten to the point where it is socially acceptable to record strangers and then be surprised when the unconsenting people react "unkindly". I've had customers react angrily at me for telling them I do not want to be recorded, as if im somehow rude for snapping at them whilst they take videos of me. Some of these people are teenagers but most are young adults, and many of them lie and pretend they weren't recording. I've had customers call me rude for being annoyed with their gross behavior. I'm sorry but I dont care how "petty" or "rude" the two ladies were in the video, if you're going to force others to be in your video, you should not be surprised when some people react with mocking or hostility. Tiktok especially has incited this attitude in young people where you can be a weirdo and film others cuz it's legal, but anyone who reacts unfavourably is somehow being a "bully".
and don't get me started on the implications of filming and posting someone without acknowledging that they could be a teenager, or hiding from someone seeking to hurt them. This should not be acceptable behavior. Somehow though, people are much more angry at the two young women to the point where they are quite possibly in danger. It's just sad lonely people online who need to take out their aggression on the "villain of the week".
@@perfectblue3 I fully agree. One time as a minor I ended up being in a video while some people were recording themselves being annoying/doing dumb stuff. They kept showing stranger's faces (including mine) in the video and I eventually flipped them off lol. I don't think it's that serious considering they were bothering everyone else and recording them without consent. I'm surprised the woman in the video is being framed as a victim.
Thank you so much for saying this, it's exactly how I feel, these girls aren't influencers or props and the woman who posted the video might have just been trying to get pity points or whatever but it's never okay to put people in jeopardy just because you know you'll get likes. They didn't do anything abnormal, they expressed their dislike to being recorded and got defensive in their apology because people were literally attacking them it's insane how anyone could be on the side of someone who can't respect the general public enough to start a witch hunt against two innocent girls
It's not like she recorded them intentionally. She was taking a selfie. If they had a problem they should've spoken up seeing as they had the confidence to be disrespectful right behind her. They couldve gone about it in any other way but instead chose to act immature and made themselves lool like a-holes for the whole internet to see. The wrong person and they could've started a massive problem. If you're not grown enough to go about things in a mature way then maybe you're not ready to handle the world. There's not excuse to act that way to anyone. When you're in public it's almost inevitable to avoid catching other people in the camera
People are angry at them because they chose to go about it in a disrespectful manner. It honestly seems like you're just venting your pent-up emotions at the woman filming.
I deleted nearly all of my social media (including my tiktok) a couple months ago and the clarity it provided was insane. I feel so much better in pretty much every aspect of my life- the hours spent scrolling do so much more damage than you realize. Instead of using it as a crutch to escape my life I am forced to actually fully feel my emotions and process them. I even got back into reading after years. Thank you to nick and other TH-camrs for keeping me updated on this kind of thing, it’s so goofy but part of me does miss the stupid tiktok drama (although this has crossed the line from stupid into dangerous… death threats???? Wtf??). But if you’re reading this and considering a media purge/cleanse, DO IT. It will be hard for the first few days but it will be SO worth it.
As a cosplayer/someone who often dresses in an alt way, people taking pictures/recording you without your permission is always the worst. I've gotten in fights over it and it definitely ruins your mood when someone just thinks it's okay to shove a camera in your face because "you're there." So I can understand those girls. It's totally different when you consent to a picture vs when you think a random stranger has been recording you for a few minutes.
When did bullying the bully become the way to go, people are mad because these two girls bullied another girl, so let’s all bully her, lol, it makes zero sense at all. Your 100 percent right
@Ryan Kelly That's part of the tolerance paradox. Is it really all that bad to be intolerant towards intolerant people? For example, if someone was bullying someone for being gay or a person of color, is it wrong to bully them for doing that? Not to say these girls deserve the harrasment.
@@Specialistkay I mean it depends on what you consider bullying, should you tell that person your being a racist or a homophobic asshole hell yeah, should you tell that person to screw off and stop doing it yeah, but should you put that persons personal information out or put that person mothers address online, no. But I definitely hear your point and to a extent agree
@@Specialistkaydo you know what bullying is? It’s a long term targeted form of harassment that is personal. Telling someone they’re being racist or exposing their actions to the world isn’t bullying. If you were to ACTUALLY turn around and bully a “bad person,” that makes you exactly the same as them. Because you’re now a bully, your choice of victim doesn’t matter- it’s about your own values and actions
@@Specialistkay You can be intolerant of intolerant behavior without doxxing people, sending them death threats, and saying nasty things about them. What the Internet did to them was worse than whatever the girls did.
I don't care how obnoxious someone is being in public, posting those girls' full names on Twitter just so people could harass them later was not acceptable. If they were actively following her around and harassing her and refused to leave her alone, then I could have accepted that, but someone being made fun of for taking pictures is not a good enough excuse, even if they were being jerks.
After watching the entire video... Yikes... Harassment, death threats, a destroyed company that's completely unrelated... I get that these girls went a little too far, but even I would have been uncomfortable if a man was taking pictures in my direction for three whole minutes. Just... why?
I don't like what the girls did or that the tiktoker posted the video, but what the Internet did was worse than both. They're only doing this because they know they wouldn't be caught. I wish doing stuff like this was illegal maybe people would be a little more careful with what they say.
Not even active harassment justifies doxxing someone. These girls got death threats, and unrelenting harassment- and because it’s all online now connected to their full names and faces it will never go away. (And if someone was motivated it would not have been hard to find their address and try to hurt them in person after being doxxed!) Like even if they behaved absolutely terribly, never being able to move on from a bad (but not criminal) thing you did shouldn’t be how society works. There’s not a person on earth who can say they’ve never hurt another person’s feelings, or said/done something mean, or never behaved badly- but most of us are just lucky enough that our worst moments weren’t recorded and posted online. People have been driven to suicide through online harassment campaigns before, it’s never okay.
I feel like there’s a huge difference between bullying and being a little bit rude for a few minutes. Bullying is a pattern of behavior over a long time, it’s habitual, and takes social dynamics into play. The way everyone has been calling this bullying is also kinda wild imho
exactly. When I was in school i probably wouldve called this being teased. In a mean way, sure, but just one interaction like this isint a big deal, the issue for me is that it was interactions like this (and sometimes worse) over and over and over and over again for years on end. Constantly being treated like i was weird and annoying by most kids, plus some actual bullying, is what rlly got to me. One interaction like this isint quite what i would call bullying.
I would agree with your point if the girls looked uncomfortable or just made funny faces but if their reaction was to call the girl lame and flip her off, they're the problem. also the girls could've just went up to jackie and asked her not to take pictures of them or went out of the shot while jackie was taking pictures
@@fullecliqse if she was upset she should have resolved the issue like an adult not let the internet fight her battles. Everyone in this story should learn about conflict resolution. There is no Saint or Demon in this story everyone sucks.
@@MsApir-vd6vl do you really think those girls would stop bullying her if she asked them to? this isn't 1st grade. the only way to deal with bullies is to expose them otherwise they'll keep being assholes. yes, the media bullying them was too far but it isn't jackie's problem or responsibility for all the people who went too far, she just wanted to share her story.
Seriously, bullying is repeated harassment and everyone is so quick to use words that are proportional to the actual event. Just putting people who are actually being bullied into a worse spot because now they might now be taken seriously.
@@user-kg6pr1iv4i Thank you! Someone that knows what bullying is. It was really annoying to read and listen to people saying that the girls bullied the girl in front when they were just mean. It happens one time, not in a long period of time.
@@B-qz bullying does not necessarily have to be an everyday or repeated occurance. I say that as someone who was bullied all my fucking life for being autistic and chubby, some of the bullies the interaction was 1 time, because I saw them once but had to endure an hour of their bullying, that incident was still bullying to me just like the people who bullied me physically and emotionally for the duration of several years. There's different types of bullying and varying scales but acting like it has to be constant harasment for a long duration is such a weird new concept, like how long does it have to be until it's bullying? Idk just my two cents, as someone who has experienced varying types of it as well as long periods of it I just find it unhelpful too gatekeep how long bullying cunty behaviour has to be until it is officially bullying but idk maybe that's just me and I'll just stfu since look at the comments neither side can be reasonable.
not to take sides or anything, but im definitely suspicious of the tiktoker. she posed sadly for minutes while her brother/fiance took a video of her and the two girls being doing silly poses and calling him lame because they were uncomfortable with being filmed by a random man they dont know. she put in text and edited the vid to show the girls in a bad light, and then after they apologized to her face to face she still called them bullies. her not condoning hate sent their way seems more like a pr move than genuine sincerity when shes the one putting them on blast like that
This was clearly a premeditated pile-on on the part of the tiktoker Jackie. Those girls didnt do anything to deserve what they got. What was rude was posting this video, knowing how her followers would respond
She didn't just "say how she felt." She recorded strangers for being slightly catty about having a camera pointed in their direction and posted it to her tiktok for...pity clout? Yeah, it sucks, people can be mean. But if you're a content creator who is going to be recording yourself in public, you're going to have to accept the fact that the people in the background are not your props or NPCs. They are not going to behave the way you want or expect them to, and not everyone is going to take kindly to being recorded while they're just trying to go about their day. Sometimes people are just assholes but they don't deserve to be doxxed because of it.
@@blackbearcj5819 maybe it's just a generational thing, but flipping off a camera is really more of a silly-slightly rude thing to do, not bullying. Tiktokers are allowed to have feelings, but this girl didn't just go "I'm sad", she went "look at how mean these horrible bullies are" clearly directing hate their way regardless of how many people she expected to see the vid. Yeah it's not her fault it blew up and a lot of people attacked the girls, but would it be ok if just (*insert normal amount of views she gets*) saw the vid and hated the girls as a result? And the "not to take sides" was clearly a joke referencing Nick repeating that line... Please get some critical thinking skills.
@@gutter_rabbit people shouldn’t be doxxed and people shouldn’t be assholes either. Obviously doxxing is worse but let’s not pretend that being an asshole in public doesn’t have consequences.
I feel bad for the reality company. Imagine having your business go under because a bunch of terminally online teenagers review bombed you over someone that doesn't even work for you.
Naw Jackie is a weirdo. She literally still has the video up yet “She doesn’t condone bullying”She sat there and edited a video on purpose to paint those girls in a bad light. How was it bullying when you were also doing something to affect the other party did Jackie ever consider letting them know that they were going to be in her video? No. It’s weird to expect people to be fully comfortable with you, putting them in the background of your content then going online and claiming them to be bullies
Yeah when he showed that clip of the girl saying that Jackie did this because she couldnt advocate for herself and wanted the net to do it for her its like.....yeah thats dead on right lmao.
do influencers forget that they have a platform or something? like you can talk about people being "mean" but literally recording and posting it is just weird
@@phoenixgirl70it was definitely intentional. The video has millions of views and the girls are getting death threats. She should have taken it down but she didn’t because she benefits from it.
i feel like the word bullying has just lost all of its meaning at this point. being rude to someone once isn’t bullying, repeatedly harassing them and trying to ruin their lives is ACTUALLY bullying. obviously what they did was wrong but it wasn’t bullying.
Listen, idk what happened to the girls yet, I’m still watching the video, but based on the first video alone, idk how you could defend them? They weren’t just goofing, they were being massive assholes! They remind me of the popular girls in high school who’d bully everybody that wasn’t in their group. They seriously need to grow tf up if that’s their reaction to someone just taking selfies. I don’t think they should face harassment or death threats for it (I’m assuming that’s what ends up happening), but what they did was still completely messed up and I totally would’ve confronted them if I was a third party observer in that situation
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 Because many of the comments are projecting themselves to the girls, how they dont like tiktok influencers, and dreamed of doing what those girls did. They’re ignoring the actual context of the video where everyone is in a public place, and they are in a sports stadium which is already being filmed anyways. They had no problem of their faces being on the big screen and focused on by said stadium so clearly they dont have an issue being filmed.
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 I agree, the doxxing was uncalled for but the way everyone’s trying to make them out to be completely innocent and the other person a villain is weird.
I honestly think you are too kind, this influencer DEFENITELY posted the video looking for pity points, and DOES NOT CARE if other people's lives are ruined. She filmed them for 10 minutes and wouldn't even look them in the eye.
that’s true asf and she even posted after « let’s get them fired » so like i feel she def had malicious intent. also why if he was taking photos of her was she not in the center of frame and posing and then continuing to record while she looked upset and over it. so weirf
Exactly! He really was afraid of standing up for two people who got doxxed and harassed for making faces at someone they dont know filming them. If she really couldn't say anything and wanted people to feel bad for her she should have at least censored them but she didn't. When you a following online you should know the impact of your actions
They could have made their point 100 times more valid if they had just been adults and said “hey, we’re uncomfortable being recorded can you please stop” Next, you can absolutely move seats at a sporting event, not all tickets sell and/or people don’t show up. I’ve moved spots at sporting events if I see a specific seat/set of seats are empty for a decent portion of a game. So “we couldn’t move cause those were our assigned seats.” Doesn’t really hit as a valid argument to me. Especially at a baseball game, baseball games (at least the ones I’ve been to) aren’t exactly a packed house. Lastly, were they alittle distasteful and rude? Yeah absolutely. Could they have just asked to not be recorded or moved seats? Also yes. Do they deserve to be threatened and dragged by literally tens of millions of people? No of course not.
i think people forget that those girls areeee not influencers and they don’t have audiences to apologize to. there’s no “i’m sorry for disappointing you” bc they didn’t choose to have an audience of up to, what, 9 million people? they were just being dumb kids. this is so stupid lol like they’re literally, what, 18, 19? and yah, they were being mean dorks, but this girl knew damn well that by putting their faces in a video, she was exposing them in a specific context that tiktok would blow it way out of proportion.
they don’t need to apologize, their explanation clears it up. if a man was recording me in public for over a minute i’d start reacting too. and she was right with the photobombing statement, that’s regular shit. fucking up her jobs rating is crazy, an in general if what they were doing was “bullying” then what everyone else is doing is straight harassment and intimidation
Yup. If some weirdo was taking videos of me I would be creeped out. If they had angled their camera towards Jackie their story wouldn’t have made sense but it’s clearly angled at the guy taking the videos so it tracks.
Yeah it's so funny how people don't care about the context of why the 2 girls behaved like this because apparently it's not okay, no matter what. Okay, then why do we care about the context of why this freak doxxed them? Then let us treat her as someone who doxxed 2 people and ruined their lives for no reason. Context doesn't matter, right?
Yes they needed to apologize because they were making fun of OP, not the cameraman. At the very beginning of video, the girl on the left specifically leans very far over to her other friend on the right, directly behind OP, to flip her off. She was already in the shot before she leaned over so why would she do that if she didn't know the cameraman was filming OP? Because she wanted to make sure she ruined her shot. She was also responding whenever OP made any gesture so you can't tell me for a second she wasn't directing her antics towards OP. Photobombing with a middle finger is normal, but escalating it thought-out the video by bringing in your friend is no longer photobombing. You're just being a jerk at that point. Granted I do believe OP should have told the cameraman to before that point.
Based on how the camera was oriented it looks like the girls could probably see that they were in full frame of the influencers camera (if it was facing forward) and that’s why they were messing with her because she was recording them for long periods of time?
I agree. To the girls it probably just looked like the guy recording was recording them. I def would’ve also been creeped out if I was under the assumption that a random man was recording me for 5-10 min
They released an apology/statement and that's exactly what they said. They were on the jumbotron (big tv screen) beforehand, so they thought they were being harrased
Yeah, she shouldn't have recorded so many people without their consent. I especially dislike that she decided to disrespect the privacy of some girls (who could have been minors) by posting online about them being mean, when it was obvious that they acted like that because she already had disrespected their privacy in that moment. And then the internet comes in and does the same thing that the girls were making fun of to begin with.
@@juli5945 That argument goes down the drain given they are in a baseball stadium. There are huge disclaimers before entering about being filmed in and they had no issues being on the jumbo screen.
I think filming random people without their consent is more of a violation than one of them calling you lame for doing so. But either way it’s really not that deep. I imagine a lot of the people who are vehement on cancelling these girls are projecting their own issues onto the situation.
“I imagine a lot of the people who are vehement on cancelling these girls are projecting their own issues onto the situation.“ You just described internet mob mentality in general.
Wow that minor interaction really got blown out of proportion. If that wasn’t filmed, everyone involved would’ve forgot about it in a week and never see each other again.
They weren't even bullying they just didn't want to be on camera... if an influencer comes near you are you obligated to act nice while you're on their video??
no, youre not obligated to act in any type of way, but they werent just being not "nice", they were being outright-rude and disrespectful and their "apology" deflecting all blame, accusing the girl recording of defamation and just... not apologising is evidence of this. u start off by politely asking u not be recorded, and allow the situation to evolve from there (that is, if u dont want to be a douchebag). that being said, nothing they did was deserving of the way the internet is treating them (especially w the business they worked for being closed down for no reason). is it annoying to be recorded wo your consent? yes, however the girl recording clearly had no intention of recording them and no one around her made any attempt to ask her not to record them - instead just going out of their way to make her feel uncomfortable and self conscious. this video (nick's) is clearly ab taking both sides into consideration and looking at this from an unbiased standpoint, and youre not doing that by downplaying and dismissing all the wrong that those girls took part in; youre doing exactly what the people harassing these girls are doing and only looking at it from a "sun and moon" perspective. u dont need to dismiss all of those girls' wrongdoings to still paint them as sympathetic individuals who are being victimised by the internet's psychopathy
They could have asked him to stop recording if that was the case. I call BS. If they were directed at him they wouldn’t have said ‘lame’ rather ‘creep’ or something
@@playgr0undx wrong. they were not being "randomly." They were so obviously randomly in the background of a girl's video and decided to be assholes even though they consent to being filmed/recorded when they enter a public space. Yall need to get a grip.
I hate that we’re at the point in the internet where people who do something that (arguably) puts them in the wrong on such a minor situation like this means their life is essentially ruined Like they were just goofing around with their friends, and now their full names have been revealed to everyone on twitter
I really dont think what they did was extreme, was it dumb? yeah! but that girl chose to involve non consenting parties to her VIDEO(s) and not what could arguably be better such as a quick vid that’s not invasive or a quick selfie IMO!
@@brianna058 exactly. I think even when the girl posted the video exposing them she still could've probably blurred their faces? But yeah all the girls had to do was ask her to block their faces or just find their own way to cover their face or something. The reactions of people revealing their names and leaving negative reviews on their jobs' websites is a bit much even with the people saying "if I heard the 'lame' I would be swinging" is a bit much - realistically it would be better if they just ignored them they'd be the better person
lmao I dont feel bad at all besides them being doxed, which was wrong. they made an "apology" that was basically them explaining why they were making fun of someone? its laughable you call being a shit person "goofing off", maybe dont put yourself in positions where your acting like a twat in public? my parents taught me about that pretty early on in life, The doxing and stuff is extreme, but the rest of the hate they have brought to themselves.
its not just twitter, either. its everywhere on the internet. you google their names a few years from now after everyone decided to get over it and you will still see this story pop up.
Maybe I'm a demon but watching the clips I was wondering if the entire situation was a misunderstanding that got whipped up into drama and online harassment campaigns. Also I feel like there is a weird thing going on here where being rude all of a sudden is now "bullying". To me bullying implies a regular consistent demeaning behavior towards another person, being mean or rude to a stranger once does not constitute bullying. Side note: obviously being mean/rude to a person is bad but that is different from bullying.
Yeah bullying to me is repeated harassment, being rude to someone once isn’t bullying. People just like to throw that word around to make themselves seem like more of a victim.
@@Olivia_1100 being rude to someone once can very well be bullying. Literally by definition. It doesn’t have to be an everyday occurrence. It doesn’t even have to be consistent.
I think "bullying" has become a bit of a useless word because it's used to describe so many things. It often demotes actions like harassment, stalking, and assault from serious crimes to trivial jabs in people's minds, especially when they involve children, or it does the complete opposite, like with these college students. It's a nebulous concept that lets too many people get away with bad behavior.
I’m sorry, that is considered bullying!? No one that considers them as bullies has ever been bullied. Damn if my primary school bullies only did that then my life would have been way easier!
For real! Being flipped off and called names once really isn't the same as the shit bullies actually do. My school counselor defined bullying as repeated patterns of unprovoked and unkind behavior or something like that, this is neither a pattern, unprovoked, or unkind considering the circumstances of having a stranger film you when you're just trying to enjoy your day.
You know what? I don't think everything warrants an apology. After posting that online, she doesn't deserve an apology. If you film people without their consent, they gonna act how they act. They did nothing abhorrent, they were rude. The reaction from people to this video is frankly pathetic and helps absolutely no one. Those people are the only ones who should be giving apologies.
dude this is MILLIONS OF PEOPLE deciding that these two girls are the scum of the earth. as someone who’s been shit talked like that by people directly within earshot, i wouldn’t wish that on ANY of them. imagine how hard it’s gonna be for them to get jobs, to go out in public, etc. what they did was shit, yeah, but like. there’s no reason to ruin their lives for it??
I have paranoia about being recorded.. not for this reason, but because I always think im being recorded by strangers and being posted in the internet. This was really aggravating
This just goes to show how easy you can manipulate a story to get people on your side by posting a one-sided narrative. This tiktokker edited and narrated the video to make it seem like she was all alone in this world filming herself and these girls just said the meanest things about her that we of course can't hear in the video but she could. Then after all the backlash we get the other side of the story from the point of view of the two girls. To them they saw an older man recording them for 5-10 minutes in a public place where they had assigned seating so they didn't feel they could leave, and which made them feel uncomfortable and harassed. So they goofed of at the camera, instead of confronting the man. They did not realize that the woman was reacting to them, they just reacted to the man. This also makes me wonder what "mean things" they were supposedly saying about her if they didn't even realize she was involved.
The recorder should have addressed them if she had an issue. The thing is, none of this situation should have been online or had millions of eyes on it. Situations like these should be handled between adults, like adults.
I mean if they had an issue, THEY should've addressed the recorder, you're in a public area and people like to idk take pictures to have solid memories of being at a thing like a game. If you have an issue with being in that, ask them politely if they could stop or move or something, not go to "LAAAAAAME" and flick off the people (or camera), you wanting the recorder to "act like an adult" when they should've you know acted like adults themselves. I'm not saying they deserve the amount of hate they got (because they don't) but they are VERY clearly in the wrong (along with the internet consciousness of doxxing)
@@Drcrytears I’m sorry but those girls photobombing in the background does not make them “VERY clearly in the wrong” the influencer is in the wrong for even POSTING that video on her TikTok to her followers in the first place. Especially editing it the way she did. Just insane to me that people are even taking the side of the influencer or trying to justify what she did. She knew exactly what she was doing or what would happen when she decided to post it. And she certainly got her internet sympathy points and clout.
They literally had no obligation to apologize in the public eye because they didn't even do it in the public eye. Like they coulve just found this girl and apologized on the outset, apologizing to the internet is literally just damage control because they were painted as bad people against their will, so i get why they didn't seem sorry. I would not be sorry, because the internet is the one in the wrong
It also bothers me how people are saying “it’s because they were recorded without their consent!” when the original poster was just taking selfies and they *happened* to be two of _many_ in the background at a _public event_ . They went out of their ways to stick out and become part of the video just to make the girl feel shitty about having a good time. Not to mention THEY RECORDED HER? They took out their phones and pointed them at HER without HER consent? I get that they didn’t deserve to be doxxed or threatened, obviously, but the people defending them are applying mad double standards for the sake of excusing mean girl behavior…
@@hanatemonstas4485 Idk if there was more than what was shown in the video but all they did was free range, they didn't sign off to be extras. Literally just photo bombing. If you're going to be filming in public you need a tough shell because it's weird for people around you and just because TikTok exists now doesnt mean everyone is suddenly opting in.
@@marsupialsofmars3886 Except they are in a public place. A baseball stadium too, y’know, something is broadcasted across the world where people recorded by broadcaster or the audience anyways. Its common knowledge you may appear on film. If you watched the video, they were even on the jumbo screen before and they had no issue with that. I dont even like TikTok or influencer culture but c’mon. Being in the background of a video or photos has a long thing in stadiums before TikTok. Thats just common sense. Just give a middle finger and move on. Or talk to them like adults. No need to behave like children.
it’s always weird to be filmed, especially if it’s for the 5-10 minute long time span. while their actions were rude and immature, it definitely doesn’t deserve the kind of backlash they got for such a small thing. i’m glad you talked about it because this whole situation is absurd.
The TikTokker was filming people without their consent. If some narcisist was doing that to me, I would have been MUCH "meaner" about it. Its so weird that people like this think they're entitled to be rude and inconsiderate of others in a public space and no one else can say something about it.
Women: goof around in the back of a video and that leads to having their lives destoyed Men: commit vile acts of r4pe, abuse, sex trafficing, SA etc and still have rabid fans who will protect them at all costs. Imagine if we directed the energy to actual bad people, what a crazy idea.
^^^ There is also so much misogyny (coming from a lot of women ironically) in this situation. They've built these women up in their head as "mean girls" and dehumanized them in a way. They have valley girl accents so of course they must be terrible people. This is worse than the West Elm Caleb fiasco imo.
Yup and it was probably women taking this too far with the job ratings and doxing. It just breaks my heart. Until more wake up and realize we’ve been conditioned to think and act this way in every kind of media. And with social media? I don’t know how teens/young people who’ve just known nothing else survive it mentally. Down the line the effects are going to come out in a very, sad way. We’ve gotta have each other’s back and think critically. Educate others about this bullshit we’ve been taught.
I completely agree, but I still think it’s wrong to reduce what these women were doing to “goofing around.” They were harassing op, plain and simple. Just because they didn’t deserve the magnitude of backlash they received doesn’t change the fact that they were completely in the wrong and just behaving like totally shitty, petty people.
Anyone notice the way Nick's hair at the top makes a heart? Also I dont think neither of them were in the wrong, I think everyone who made it worse was in the wrong for making it way bigger then it should be
Respectfully, as someone who was bullied most of my school life, what those girls did is not bullying. They were being filmed without their consent, so they fucked around. If the tiktoker didn't want anyone saying "mean" things behind her during the filming, she should have been considerate for the people around her. She was rude for choosing to film them without permission
Speaking respectfully as someone who was bullied from K to 12. This was bullying, two people mocking and teasing a random stranger is bullying behavior. They could have just talked to her but they instead choose to belittle and mock her. People don't usually ask for consent for a quick tiktok.
@@touchofcomics1841 coming from someone who was also bullied their entire school life (and even almost drowned bc of a bully) this is not bullying. full stop. bullying is *repeated* harassment with a *power imbalance* at play. just about every anti-bullying organization will say the same. if the video had never been posted, these people would've never seen each other again. and the only power imbalance i can see is a person with a platform putting two randos on blast
In the same boat. But having someone be rude or disrespectful to you or hurtful only an instance that happened only here or there is called having a shitty day, not bullying.
@ambrosia Bullying isn't always repeated harassment, it can be but it can also be something like randomly pushing someone, mocking them and even hitting them. I was randomly pulled into a closet and beat up by about 12 kids once and it never happened again. Was I not bullied? I've had girls I've never talked to pick random fights with me and destroy my stuff once and never do it again. Was that not bullying? I've also had people tease me and hit me every day. But i don't think drawing a line in the sand and acting like bullying is only one type of behavior isn't gonna help anyone. Cuz it actively invalidates victims who dealt with different types of bullying.
@ambrosia Adults aren't bullied the same way kids are. It's often small random moments of being belittled or mocked or attacked that will probably never happen again unless they are your coworker, friend, or family member.
one of the frustrating things about this situation was that it could’ve been avoided by both parties involved. the girls in the back should’ve expressed that they were uncomfortable and asked her to not to record anymore. jackie could’ve told them that she wants to record/take pics they would be in the frame of and asked if that was okay. also i feel like the people who are doing entirely way too much might be trying to act out the justice they wanted to do to their bullies.
@@kat3217 not in a direct way, it just came off as them mean girling the girl rather than expressing discomfort. To clarify I don’t think the original poster is in the right either, but it definitely wasn’t the right way to go about it oh either side.
why is no one talking about the fact that the girl was never even associated with the business that got shut down 😭 and the house that they leaked was someone else’s
If her husband or brother really was capturing SEVERAL minutes of footage in a seat they weren’t supposed to to be in, and I was those girls, I’d be livid. I’m not going to be chill and patient while you’re wasting my time and making me uncomfortable for a prolonged period with your video, especially if it’s non consensual. That influencer has gotten more than enough social credit and views, and possibly undeserved sympathy if what the other girls say is true, than to make up for her momentarily bruised ego (given the millions jumping to her defense and gassing her up).
I wouldnt be apologizing 4 someone recording me & then gets mad at what I do in the video. internet is wild. Imagine being in college caught up in this I’d be terrified someone would come to my house
Recording people without their consent is huge weirdo behavior, period. She did not need to set up her phone for a wide shot to take selfies, she could have held her phone at arm's length like a normal person, or got her brother or whoever it was that was with her to take it for her, then put it away. I'm on the "mean girls" side 100%.
Same, I already left comments about this but I just want more people to reconsider siding with the influencer. Saying a couple of mean things to someone who won't stop recording you for minutes is not bullying or even that bad imo. People should learn what consent is, I do not care if they are in a public setting, recording multiple people without consent for long periods of time is wrong.
@@juli5945 exactly. Incidentally capturing someone in a quick crowd shot is one thing, planting a camera down directly at someone you don’t know is another.
Imo it’s not that weird to set up a camera for a wide shot for selfies like really at all, however the fact she became aware of someone behind her having an issue and she didn’t stop makes it p clear to me that she saw an opportunity for a video that could go viral by ppl feeling bad for her so that’s where it crosses the line into weirdo behaviour Like yeah I’m sure her feelings were genuinely hurt but there is also an aspect of milking it bc like the only justifiable reason to film a stranger is if you feel endangered by their behaviour and that clearly isn’t what was happening LOL
She was not recording them. It was a public event. She was taking a video of herself. When she posted it, she cropped it to emphasize how mean they were being. They were not directly being recorded. Their lie that they thought a man was filming them is super weird. In the original video, she is clearly in the center of the screen. They are very much off to the side. How come yall keep missing that?
okay but it's so fucking awkward seeing someone recording RIGHT in front of you while you're literally in the frame when you never asked to be especially if you can't even move because it's a seated event. If she was taking selfies or whatever, point the camera at yourself.. why is it at this weird half angle where it's you and people behind you that didn't ask to be filmed?? they didn't need to be rude with the faces but I'm shocked that homegirl didn't have the self-awareness to realize the weird situation she was putting them in and then to dox them???? girl bye I'm sorry but I do not have the empathy for this today lol
i mean if i’m in the back of a video i don’t wanna be i’m not gonna be a bitch about it. id just turn away or look away and then after the videos over if i REALLY don’t want to be in it then i’ll speak to her in a mature way after.
@@helenfaith1508 well considering that they’re all in seats and the fact that homegirl was apparently recording the entire time, it’s a bit awkward (like i said) to just spend the entire time looking away and trying to not acknowledge the fact that you’re literally being recorded. Please, let’s not try to normalize filming in random ass places and making strangers in the back part of your skits online, it’s weird and awkward.
The fact that people lowered that companies rating so low is fucked up. That could legit ruin the company by giving them no business and make a shit ton of people unemployed.
No if a guy was recording themselves and the girls were in full shot and making fun of him for it nobody would have cared and acted like a little baby was made fun of that just had to be defended frome big bad bullies 😢
She was recording them without consent and posting it to a massive audience that is tiktok??? Thats a no from me. I am a big believer in blurring faces. Everyone involved seems shitty and selfish to me.
its a public sporting event.... EVERYONE IS RECORDING AND TAKING PICS..the girls were the assholes here period... im OBVIOUSLY not saying they deserve to be doxxed but to pretend that heckling and mocking someone and taking a pic/vid in public are the same is ridiculous.
Recording with semi private intentions like family and friends versus purposfully sharing it knowing how the internet is? They shouldnt be in this situation. If the lady had a problem she should have said something to them not the internet
@@elyanrebellion NOTHING posted online is private... thats bs.. and whos to say she didnt?? and even if she didnt .. is she responsible for how randoms react?
And I dont think we should normalize "well ppl can post whoever they want with no regards to privacy because u cant stop them." Its weird to record strangers and post it for likes. Delivery driver footage from a ring camera, staff at a denny's, girls pestering u at a baseball game all of it is weird.
@@kdot3726 this is a tiktoker who already had like 50k followers before this, she wasn’t just “taking a selfie”. maybe that’s how it started but she still filmed for a while, edited the video, and posted it for her followers knowing she was putting them on blast. those girls were acting cringy as fuck and shouldn’t have acted like that, but the tiktoker also needs to take some responsibility here. this isnt normal behavior on either side
I disagree that she didn’t know people would come for these girls. We have all seen how quick the internet reacts when they see something they perceive as wrong and you have to know that there is a possibility that the internet will collectively harass them. Everyone in this scenario needs to grow up.
honestly, if someone's taking pics with you in the bg without asking, instead of mocking and making mean remarks, you can just,,,ask them to take pics in a way that you don't show up in their pics. If they're rude about it, you can do wtv you want then
idk even from the og tiktok it looks like the lady was already filming the girls (they were suoer in frame the whole time) which makes me believe what they abt them being filmed.
I don’t like how the first girl even edited her video to add the Tiktok voice to make the video extremely sympathetic towards her to the point where it seems like, while she might not have expected it to get this big, it feels like she was definitely trying to get the most likes out of people feeling bad for her that she could (whether that be her intention or not). I don’t wanna dog pile on her because that doesn’t help the situation and it’s counterproductive, it’s just kinda irritating how long she left up the og video (idk if it’s still up, it might still be up, I deleted Tiktok) even after all of this negative attention started going their way. It seemed like she really didn’t care just because it wasn’t affecting her. Either way, I just want this to be over.
The video is STILL up. It was posted 9 days ago. She also has 550k followers on tiktok so i'm guessing she had a large following before this as well. So weird for an influencer to post a video centering on these girls face and doing all of that editing down for it and not have any clue that she was inviting hate to these people.
@@snakejaguar4061 exactly. It’s really sad that she still has it up because she’s acknowledged how much damage this has done to them AND claims she accepted their apology, but that’s still not enough? At this point leaving it up just tells people she wants more followers, I feel. Especially since I feel like she could have posted that entire video with their faces blurred and the point would have STILL gotten across. If she blurted their faces and captioned it “they were making faces at me” the point would have gotten across, she would have still had the sympathetic video she wanted, and this could have been over a lot quicker. And while she must not have known it’d get so big, I feel like we just need to start normalizing blurring people’s faces in general if you’re posting to a PUBLIC audience without their consent.
@@malindalinda5714 Yes!! Complete agree on blurring faces. I don't care if someone is posting a positive video about strangers, it always gives me the ick to see them posting people's faces without their permission. I want to give the tiktoker the benefit of a doubt but my mind tells me she knew exactly what she was doing...It just seems very odd to me that she wouldn't have taken it down when she had the time to film and edit another reaction to the situation. The last (and first) time I checked, all she did was turn off comments? I'm sure people will disagree with this but I really don't feel that those girls owed her an apology at all. They (correctly) assumed they were being filmed and reacted to it. Calling someone lame is honestly not that big of a deal imo (I've been bullied and what they were doing isn't that...) If anything, I think she owed THEM an apology for putting them through that when she should have known better as an influencer. Also her saying that 'all she wanted was for them to apologize to her' gave me the ick in that last video. The way it was phrased to me sounded almost intentionally like she WANTED there to be consequences, but I could just be reading into that. It also is really concerning to me how many influencers don't see her as having done anything wrong.
That girl has obviously never been bullied in her life bc that wasn’t bullying they were being filmed without the consent, so they reacted. Was it uncalled for yes, but it was a reaction not bullying bullying is a habitual behavior that is repeated over time so what they called her lame is it really the end of the world
I really don’t get this at all. These are bullies? Is this what a bully is now? They weren’t being racist or homophobic or anything with deeper meaning… they were just being jerks probably because they felt like she was being one. Not cool but not worth any sort of attention.
I mean, my bullies weren't racist or homophobic either, they just excluded me from everything and relentlessly mocked me. However, I don't think these girls were bullies. They were reacting to feeling like they were being watched. Bullies would have been mean as soon as the camera came out, not waited 10 minutes. Bullies also would have kept the harassment going, even after being called out on their shit. My bullies never stopped when called out, never apologized, were never threatened or intimidated into their behaviours, they were just cun+s
@@Nakia11798 I agree, those were just a few things I threw out there. My bullies weren’t either, but they did leave me out as well and target me personally. I don’t think this girl was targeted for anything but her own actions. And it was a one-time thing, not a pattern of behavior.
It doesn't look like they're being that mean. The laaaame was the meanest thing, definitely uncalled for. Can't help but think I could laugh with my buddy about some weirdo in front of me who's spending more time watching and filming themselves than the baseball game
This and also because of the angle I might think she was doing that thing where people pretend to film themselves but are really filming someone behind them to laugh at them
and the influencer didnt even try to hide their faces too?? like you already knew that they didnt like that you were recording them but now youre just putting them on blast for the whole internet, something about that just rubs me the wrong way. if that happened to me then sure i wouldve been sad for a while but to purposely set up your camera to capture these peoples reactions of you, caption it, and then ACTUALLY POST IT, i dont know something just doesnt make sense to me.
@@angelelelelalalalalelae It doesn't make sense because she is doing the very thing the girls were making fun of: breaching people's privacy without their consent.
Everyone’s an idiot for being so upset over a girl who plopped up a camera in front of other people, there’s a difference between taking a selfie and then involving non consenting people in your VIDEO.
Come on, its a large public televised event. There are thousands of people taking videos of themselves, the game, their family, their friends...etc at events like this. Can yaII honestly and sincerely tell me that yaII dont have a single photo or video that has random people in the background? Nah the originaI girI did nothing wrong in that regard
the girls were fully in her frame and being filmed for a prolonged period of time, the girls were being mean but they weren't wrong for fucking with her video.
@@botanicalitus4194 setting up a tripod to take videos for several minutes is really not comparable to the examples you've brought up. Not to mention, this lady is an influencer and planned to post this to god knows how many people.
i also forgot to mention that i realized jackie is a pretty popular influencer when she made the video, so she could have had the foresight to know people would go after these girls, but i still don’t think she had intentions to harm them with the tiktok she made. just some extra thoughts who cares
Not to leave an unrelated comment, but maybe you should blur the names shown in the video of the girls? Not sure how this stuff works fully, but it might spread their names more :[ this video was really well worded though!!!
@@sagelouisee "I condemn doxxing, but I'm also going to doxx them in my video, because others already have done so" Doesn't matter if the information is already out there. It's hypocritical to say that you are against doxxing, while also doing it.
This discourse gives me flashbacks to the girl that surprised her boyfriend while he qas in collage and people started picking every little frame of that tiktok apart. Maybe im just too old to care like that, but its insane.
I remember seeing this tik tok and saw the people starting to search for their identities. I honestly didn’t care, but now that they gave a poor explanation, it makes sense. They don’t know what’s going on and they are being recorded. I would act differently but it would probably also be seen as rude as well. I do think the person who posted has some responsibility for recording these strangers. The girls are responsible for their rude behavior. And the invisible internet bandits are running wild with this.
Honestly they’re all annoying in this situation lol, like shawty is getting everyone in the background of her photo when nobody consented, & then the girls are just a bit more rude than they should’ve been. Nobody needs to back up the influencer or bully the girls back that hard 🤷♀️
I hate how silly situations like these get taken way too far because some people can’t see nuance to save their lives. They just want an excuse to be extremely petty.
Nah. Maybe it's literally just me but these influencers have gotta stop acting so entitled to public spaces. If you record a video wherein non consenting random civilians are included, you're taking the risk that those people will not behave the way you want them too, and may take issue with it or find it mock-worthy. If your ego is so fragile that some people poking fun at your entitled behavior is gonna hurt so much, then film in your own home, or any other isolated environment
Those girls didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to apologize for. If you're going to be an influencer and film in public, be prepared to also get clowned on in public. The girls clowned on her. End of story. The bigger social faux pas is filming people without their consent. The original girl could've framed her video so that random people weren't in frame/focus. She chose to use this specific clip to dunk on those girl as retaliation for being clowned on. She deserved to get a lil bit of clowning. The two other girls don't deserve to get widespread internet and IRL hate.
No the girls did wrong … do you not have manor’s? We’re you not raised right? I’d NEVER do this to someone … I was raised better … sure maybe as a kid my sister and I would make silly faces if we knew wee wee in the back of a photo but never flipped off a stranger , and kept whispering and yelling things at them “they didn’t do anything wrong “ yes… yes they did … they need to GROW UP , AND the original poster , all 3 of these girls need to grow up
@@Souls-at-zer0 Sure, maybe for a minute or two I wouldn’t mind being in another persons photo or video. Different story when it’s over 10 minutes of filming and someone else is also standing there taking a video of the person taking photos. They didn’t ask to be an influencer. The influencer is not entitled to others feelings or actions. They don’t automatically have to just sit there and take it because she whips out two cameras. She could have angled them out of her picture but she didn’t. Also where are her manners? They obviously had issues with being filmed & then decided to go one step further and post it to her following knowing the whole issue was because they didn’t want to be filmed. They definitely didn’t have to be childish, but it’s not like they started cussing her out.
In my honest opinion this ain’t even bullying 😭 this happens all the time, but she happened to film it. At this point the only bully is the haters towards these teen girls
Sure these girls were bullying the poster and I hate that, but they don't deserve to be slapped or hit and especially don't 1 star the business one of the girls works for. I don't think their apology was helping them but the reactions aren't worth what happened by any means
It’s not really bullying. Bullying is by definition a repeated behavior. (Thanks elementary school anti bullying assemblies) They just goofed on this woman once. It’s not bullying.
@@Purplesquigglystripe exactly!! like, all we saw was some pretty minor mockary. the only thing they really did was flick off the camera and call her lame. and that was just because the poster was blatantly recording them. calling it "bullying" and saying they should be bullied (i.e. harrassed and doxxed, apparently) is an insane reach.
@@Purplesquigglystripe they were probably bullies in school judging by their rudeness and disregard for other people's feelings. The fact that they could do that so openly to someone, I'm betting they were. Nasty little creatures
Imagine a stranger records you without your consent, posts the video without your consent, and then the internet decides to shame and dox you for a video that you did not make or agree to be in. The woman recording should have seen that the girls weren't happy about the situation and deleted the video like a fucking adult instead of posting it for clout. Like yeah, the girls were being rude and could have just said something if they weren't happy. But they had a valid reason to be irritated and the internet seems to be ignoring that part. And in any case, being a little rude to someone never, ever justifies doxxing them, revealing their full names, etc Like can you imagine if YOU got upset with an influencer for recording you and then the next day, you wake up to the internet trying to ruin your life?
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so some girls were rude to a women, and the internet bullied them for being a bully?
There could have been a pillow on the floor, put it in frame next time!
WHO POSTED THIS IMPOSTER I JUST SAW YOU JAMMING YOUR ASS OFF IT WAS AWESOME
BUT YOU SAID COME SAY HI😢 DUDEEE did you rly leave cuz you think there's no fans in Toronto??
the internet really just said
“we hate bullies!”
“so what are we gonna do about it?”
“BULLY PEOPLE!”
Daizy74 Dogs always know. They know everything and that’s why they’re such good boys and girls! (pfp :) But it’s true. Exactly what happened.
Exactly. It's what happened here, it's what's happening with heily and Selena and when you point it out to them they shrug and keep doing it cause the other person is supposedly deserves it.
that's what the internet does.
Bro literally
Maybe they should’ve told her not to film anything when they’re clearly in view, but she shouldn’t have really been filming herself in that atmosphere anyway. It’s awkward for everyone. And yeah, if you’re filming someone else, they might be annoyed since they didn’t consent to it 🤷♀️
I feel like so many people online use opportunities like these to act so vindictively whilst feeling justified.
SO TRUE!!!!
Yep thats exactly it, people love to participate in witch hunts under the thin guise of rightousness
Honestly, they need to chill out. They long for revenge WAY TOO MUCH.
Yup
That is the most important take away, I think. People think they need to shame these girls publicly and never let them live it down- its like everyone is just black/white about the situation. Even us right now talking about it is similar- i suppose its just that we (the comment section) seem neutral about it. Not living to the extremes that are so loud on tiktok and twitter right now.
the irony of people being like "bullying is wrong! LETS RUIN THEIR LIVES AND HARASS THEM UNTIL THEY REALIZE BULLYING IS WRONG"
I feel like we’ve been seeing this pattern so much lately. The Hailey and Selena drama for example.
Very true. it's definitely hypocritical
This is pretty much the same thing that happens every time a KPop idol has a bullying scandal. Accusations are made and without any solid proof that these accusations are true, people start attacking that person until their career is gone. Some even become depressed or have committed suicide from the hate. It's just awful
quite literally fighting fire with fire
Right!! Like there ARE people who deserve that don’t get me wrong but this situation?? The doxxing is far more cruel than the ASSUMED “bullying” in my opinion!
The internet expects WAY too much out of average, everyday people. This was really none of any of our business
the initial girl had enough followers and internet savvy to know what would happen. her second videos polish proves it
If flipping off a camera is a doxxable offense… the internet has officially jumped off the big cliff like 😮
You can bet anytime someone is filming in my gym and doesn’t ask if I’m ok with being in the shot first I’m doing everything I can to make the clip look like shit. Not everyone wants to be part of your online fantasy life. I have anxiety, it could be bullying to put me suddenly on a live of you working out. Gonna get a lot of fingers from me lmao
@@HiChloeI’m assuming this is only after you’ve gone up and said “hey I’m not comfortable being in your shot please move it” right? Wild to act out without first having tried to be a normal civil adult- totally justified if you did though and they ignored it/were rude and continued.
@@E42545EXACTLY
@@blending_in so true, it’s totally normal to film strangers in a private building without their consent. It’s way weirder to not want that to be a default. For sure.
@@HiChloe so you're telling me you would go around asking everybody if it's okay to film?
as someone who goes to the same school,, this is genuinely the most USC situation i’ve seen 💀 everyone involved being unlikeable but everything being blown wayyyy out of proportion
"The most USC situation" lmao
in a sane world this would have stayed collage drama
honestly thats just how it is everywhere. people fucking suck
myself included lol
I honestly think they're both wrong for different reasons. It's not so black and white like the Internet is making it out to be.
She's saying UST University of St. Thomas Texas
This is the modern age equivalent of a little Victorian English boy being hung for stealing a spoon .
Basically a which trial
Seriously. Tbh, flipping someone off isnt really that big of a deal. People do it ALL THE TIME
No that's just cops shooting people
best comment I’ve seen on this video
@@Moey_idkwitch
I hate how comfortable we’ve got with posting strangers online…
It wasnt an apology, its an explanation. The same way influencers have a responsibility with their audience, they are also responsible for their surroundings im with the girls, u dont shove a camera in my face and call me not preforming a "bully" 🙄, she is too fragile to be on the internet
chronically online ppl are always hungry for drama so they can do what they are good at, hate
I don't think it's just chronically online people. It's just easier to destroy two random college students and feel like some justice was made than to like, actually do something against people who deserve to have their life ruined
@@CanIswearinmyhandle truee
I think majority of those ppl are chronically online cause if u actually have a life why tf would u care abt such things it doesn't make sense
But like u said only if ppl did stuff like this for the ppl who actually deserve it
I'm just here to vibe man, not all of us 😂
@@cuppy. You really don't need to be "chronically online" to get wrapped up in nonsense that doesn't affect you in any way. People have gossiped for thousands of years; we are a species who loves shit talking lol.
Engaging with other people's misfortune from a safe distance is normal, and the internet made it so that everyone could do it anonymously all the time with very little effort. It really doesn't take that much time or energy to say or write something nasty about someone, and it takes even less time to convince yourself that you were correct to do so.
I was just about to comment the exact same thing, some people need to go outside and stop trying to “cancel” strangers to feel like they have power
The internet is so scary. I saw that video on instagram and thought that it was sad and unfortunate, and I hoped that Jackie recovered from it. And then I scrolled past. The fact that people took it this far is so insane to me. Just leave a comment with your condolences and MOVE ON
Watch your attuide before I dox you (joke)
The internet is scary but this isn't the scary part lol
@@gotmilkbutt exactly, i find these reactions so dramatic. there are way bigger issues in the world & on the internet
@@gotmilkbuttouting who you are and sending death threats is pretty scary..
@@Dr.Armchair please be serious for a second… do you actually think someone’s life was threatened over this? any bored person with a keyboard can send someone a message on instagram but that doesn’t make it a valid “threat” in any way. people love to use the term “de**h threat” & just run with it because it sounds scary, as if it holds any meaning in this day & age 99% of the time🙄
Yeah the girls were rude BUT the backlash they received was wayyyyyy out of proportion!
i’d be rude asf too if a bunch of people on the internet fucked my jobs google rating over something that’s not even CLOSE to bullying
@@nataliepelo1943 it is bullying fym
it's like a microcosm of escalation rather than communication
@@benxcellhow was it possibly bullying
@@InaneBlatherPodcast making fun of someone for no reason and making her literally feel insecure about herself ppl like that are why I have confidence issues
To be honest, the tiktoker uploaded that video with the intention of her audience to harass the girls, because you can't tell me that the reaction of the people wasn't expected...otherwise she would've just talked about it without showing any footage or at least blured the faces of the girls
THIS IS SO TRUE!!!!;
I feel like the people who are mad and calling this bullying have never actually been bullied. Someone making fun of you because you’re provoking them by recording them without their consent doesn’t classify as bullying lmao
I think calling their video an “apology” or even comparing it to one is wrong. They aren’t sorry, they just are trying to explain why they behaved that way so people will stop being crazy. I think they didn’t have to be mean but also don’t film people without their permission, I know damn well I hate being filmed without permission and I’d say some shit about it.
fr its them (not apologising and) explaining why they (arguably) dont need to apologise !
true, they even started the video by saying this was their side of the story. holding it to the standard of an apology isn't fair
She wasn’t recording them. They just happen to appear in the video. She didn’t go out of her way to record them. They did however go out of their way to be mean and also purposely recorded her
@@emrod9577 people are acting like the Camera was set up to directly catch them. Clearly the girl was taking pictures 😂they are in public and just happened to be in the back
@@emrod9577They are literally recording them. Just because that's not the goal doesn't mean they aren't recording them.
What most people don’t understand is that DOXXING SOMONE is worse then bullying
... depends of the situation. Bullying can be very brutal ( and lead to the worst...).
I love your pfp
The reason why they said they weren’t bullying the girl was that the husband was recording with the rear facing camera and they couldn’t see the girl on there and they were reacting to a man filming them for 5-10 minutes. So them calling the man lame and flipping him off etc was very different than them bullying the girl for getting a picture taken.
no fr cause i would act the same
They are also very pretty women so when you are aware of that, some of the things that men tend to do can come off as understandably creepy. Pretty or not, but I’m sure they deal with weirdness from guys on a regular basis and that can sort of put you on the defensive with men.
He wasn’t even her husband either💀 he’s literally her brother
This perspective changes it SO MUCH (although it was still a ridiculous reaction anyways). I would be doing the exact same thing.
@@Niki._.00000 they didn’t know that (and I commented this before I got to that part of the video) but it changes nothing about my point
also the woman who got “bullied” is grown. She doesn’t need the help of the internet, just like them she could’ve easily stepped in and said something.
Right?? I thought it was weird that she even posted it! It got blown out of proportion more than usual but in general it's weird to post people in bad faith on an app where you have fans.
This is the definition of bully. It has to b habitual aka happens over and over and over again. This was a one time thing. Sure may it be bad what they did . But by definition is NOT BULLYING. Also the girl continued to film so hmm
a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable.
Also sure did it seem bad what they did. But I also hate people filminf other people without their consent and mock them.
What should have happend was the three girls should have handled it privately tbh.
But ofc I understand she was sad.
But I do think there’s three sides to every story.
@@pinecone189exactly! I think it’s just as bad to put people out on the internet for every one to mock. Harrasment against anyone is wrong.
And these people also has family coworkers etc that now are being affected.
Mocking is bad even if it’s not bullying ofc .
Wdym “bullied?”
19:41 She didn’t stand up for herself and she was looking for people to go on a witch hunt. Don’t be silly. She knew. Jackie should not have posted the vid and the girls shouldn’t have done whst they did
Okay but those girls did it anyway and the video is posted
She still has the video up, she's an attention seeker!
& she had 50k followers before the vid even went up so… although what the girls did wasn’t the best, Jackie knew what she was doing by posting the vid. She was upset at how they were acting & wanted her revenge tbh
with all due respect, being recorded without consent is weird enough on it’s own; but mocking someone while being right behind them is just as weird. they’re both in the wrong for different reasons.
THEN AGAIN - that doesn’t put anyone in the position to literally fucking dox someone and tell people to ‘save’ what their faces look like. both situations (the recording and doxxing) are forms of invasion of privacy. this whole situation is super gross lmfao
edit
recording in public is obviously okay, guys lmao. im neutral on this whole situation and no one involved should be defended.. only thing im ‘defending’ is the fact no one involved should have been doxxed. thats a step too far
honestly, i moreso blame the girl that even uploaded the video than the two girls. i'm sorry that she was made to feel self conscious, but she should not have put these girl's faces on her very public platform. she had hundreds of thousands of followers and regularly got at least one million views per video; she should have known not to post nonconsensual videos of these girls, no matter how upset she was. that is just part of being an influencer. i think the internet has just made us too complacent in the nonconsensual filming and exploitation of strangers. and, yeah, it's not cool to mock someone, but two minutes of heckling does not warrant your face being blasted to countless people online.
edit: whoops, mb! she wasn't consistently getting over a million views per video, that number likely only spiked after the drama. but she was still getting at least 10-50k per video (on the lower end, a lot of her other videos did very well), so, def still a sizable platform that should have been managed better.
the fact they just assumed they were even, in frame
All they did really was flip her off and photobomb her? Honestly, the girl who posted it is sus. Yes, they were rude and immature but calling it bullying and painting yourself as a victim to hundreds of people is crazy behavior. Even her "stop the hate" video was like "they got what they deserved but now it's enough". Okay, you can't undoxx someone though? So where do we go from here? To put the time and energy into purposefully editing a video of two strangers you don't even know to make them seem like villains to your online fanbase, and then act so surprised when those strangers receive harassment is disingenuous to me. And the fact she hasn't taken down the video or seemed like she's sorry for it is quite telling.
@@theimplications635 right she could have just did a a story time talking about these rude girls at the game and kept it at that
@@MartyMcNasty I was thinking exactly this! how many times have we seen tiktoks of people in their cars saying "omg x happened and it made me feel y" and they get the same validation from their fanbase and no one gets doxxed. She was not thinking! (or worse, she was!)
Just in general a good thing to keep in mind is that public places are not always photoshoot opportunities. You could catch someone who doesn't want to be in your pictures and won't be shy about letting you know.
So long as it's legal, you can do what you like in a public space. Who cares if someone doesn't like that you're taking photos? doxxing is messed up, but trying to somehow make the tiktoker a villian is very weird of a lot of these comments.
@@commandery3574 I don't think she's a villain
@@commandery3574 And it’s also
legal to be rude about being filmed 🤷
@@commandery3574ummmm no. just because something is legal doesn't mean it's OK. you should be considerate of others. other people are not npcs in your life story.
Yeah especially because there are people in public that might have “secret”
Identities because they have left dangerous situations so some uploading there faces online could put people in danger
As someone who works in the service industry, I deal a lot with people filming me without my permission, sometimes without my knowledge. I cant believe we've gotten to the point where it is socially acceptable to record strangers and then be surprised when the unconsenting people react "unkindly". I've had customers react angrily at me for telling them I do not want to be recorded, as if im somehow rude for snapping at them whilst they take videos of me. Some of these people are teenagers but most are young adults, and many of them lie and pretend they weren't recording. I've had customers call me rude for being annoyed with their gross behavior. I'm sorry but I dont care how "petty" or "rude" the two ladies were in the video, if you're going to force others to be in your video, you should not be surprised when some people react with mocking or hostility.
Tiktok especially has incited this attitude in young people where you can be a weirdo and film others cuz it's legal, but anyone who reacts unfavourably is somehow being a "bully".
and don't get me started on the implications of filming and posting someone without acknowledging that they could be a teenager, or hiding from someone seeking to hurt them. This should not be acceptable behavior. Somehow though, people are much more angry at the two young women to the point where they are quite possibly in danger.
It's just sad lonely people online who need to take out their aggression on the "villain of the week".
@@perfectblue3 I fully agree. One time as a minor I ended up being in a video while some people were recording themselves being annoying/doing dumb stuff. They kept showing stranger's faces (including mine) in the video and I eventually flipped them off lol.
I don't think it's that serious considering they were bothering everyone else and recording them without consent. I'm surprised the woman in the video is being framed as a victim.
Thank you so much for saying this, it's exactly how I feel, these girls aren't influencers or props and the woman who posted the video might have just been trying to get pity points or whatever but it's never okay to put people in jeopardy just because you know you'll get likes. They didn't do anything abnormal, they expressed their dislike to being recorded and got defensive in their apology because people were literally attacking them it's insane how anyone could be on the side of someone who can't respect the general public enough to start a witch hunt against two innocent girls
It's not like she recorded them intentionally. She was taking a selfie. If they had a problem they should've spoken up seeing as they had the confidence to be disrespectful right behind her. They couldve gone about it in any other way but instead chose to act immature and made themselves lool like a-holes for the whole internet to see. The wrong person and they could've started a massive problem. If you're not grown enough to go about things in a mature way then maybe you're not ready to handle the world. There's not excuse to act that way to anyone. When you're in public it's almost inevitable to avoid catching other people in the camera
People are angry at them because they chose to go about it in a disrespectful manner. It honestly seems like you're just venting your pent-up emotions at the woman filming.
I deleted nearly all of my social media (including my tiktok) a couple months ago and the clarity it provided was insane. I feel so much better in pretty much every aspect of my life- the hours spent scrolling do so much more damage than you realize. Instead of using it as a crutch to escape my life I am forced to actually fully feel my emotions and process them. I even got back into reading after years.
Thank you to nick and other TH-camrs for keeping me updated on this kind of thing, it’s so goofy but part of me does miss the stupid tiktok drama (although this has crossed the line from stupid into dangerous… death threats???? Wtf??). But if you’re reading this and considering a media purge/cleanse, DO IT. It will be hard for the first few days but it will be SO worth it.
As a cosplayer/someone who often dresses in an alt way, people taking pictures/recording you without your permission is always the worst. I've gotten in fights over it and it definitely ruins your mood when someone just thinks it's okay to shove a camera in your face because "you're there."
So I can understand those girls. It's totally different when you consent to a picture vs when you think a random stranger has been recording you for a few minutes.
THIS!!!
It's so fucking unsettling and I wouldn't want to confront someone taking pictures because I'm scared of violence and they'd cry "Karen".
honestly taking revenge on "bullies" to the point of harassment is bullying in itself, it wasn't and will never be that serious
When did bullying the bully become the way to go, people are mad because these two girls bullied another girl, so let’s all bully her, lol, it makes zero sense at all. Your 100 percent right
@Ryan Kelly That's part of the tolerance paradox. Is it really all that bad to be intolerant towards intolerant people? For example, if someone was bullying someone for being gay or a person of color, is it wrong to bully them for doing that? Not to say these girls deserve the harrasment.
@@Specialistkay I mean it depends on what you consider bullying, should you tell that person your being a racist or a homophobic asshole hell yeah, should you tell that person to screw off and stop doing it yeah, but should you put that persons personal information out or put that person mothers address online, no. But I definitely hear your point and to a extent agree
@@Specialistkaydo you know what bullying is? It’s a long term targeted form of harassment that is personal. Telling someone they’re being racist or exposing their actions to the world isn’t bullying. If you were to ACTUALLY turn around and bully a “bad person,” that makes you exactly the same as them. Because you’re now a bully, your choice of victim doesn’t matter- it’s about your own values and actions
@@Specialistkay You can be intolerant of intolerant behavior without doxxing people, sending them death threats, and saying nasty things about them. What the Internet did to them was worse than whatever the girls did.
I don't care how obnoxious someone is being in public, posting those girls' full names on Twitter just so people could harass them later was not acceptable. If they were actively following her around and harassing her and refused to leave her alone, then I could have accepted that, but someone being made fun of for taking pictures is not a good enough excuse, even if they were being jerks.
After watching the entire video... Yikes... Harassment, death threats, a destroyed company that's completely unrelated... I get that these girls went a little too far, but even I would have been uncomfortable if a man was taking pictures in my direction for three whole minutes. Just... why?
I don't like what the girls did or that the tiktoker posted the video, but what the Internet did was worse than both. They're only doing this because they know they wouldn't be caught. I wish doing stuff like this was illegal maybe people would be a little more careful with what they say.
@@luluangelina2923 Agreed
Not even active harassment justifies doxxing someone. These girls got death threats, and unrelenting harassment- and because it’s all online now connected to their full names and faces it will never go away. (And if someone was motivated it would not have been hard to find their address and try to hurt them in person after being doxxed!)
Like even if they behaved absolutely terribly, never being able to move on from a bad (but not criminal) thing you did shouldn’t be how society works. There’s not a person on earth who can say they’ve never hurt another person’s feelings, or said/done something mean, or never behaved badly- but most of us are just lucky enough that our worst moments weren’t recorded and posted online. People have been driven to suicide through online harassment campaigns before, it’s never okay.
This is like the west elms Caleb situation
I feel like there’s a huge difference between bullying and being a little bit rude for a few minutes. Bullying is a pattern of behavior over a long time, it’s habitual, and takes social dynamics into play. The way everyone has been calling this bullying is also kinda wild imho
exactly. When I was in school i probably wouldve called this being teased. In a mean way, sure, but just one interaction like this isint a big deal, the issue for me is that it was interactions like this (and sometimes worse) over and over and over and over again for years on end. Constantly being treated like i was weird and annoying by most kids, plus some actual bullying, is what rlly got to me. One interaction like this isint quite what i would call bullying.
exactly thank you
"little bit rude" 💀
Was thinking the same thing
But why do influencers just get to film whoever and whatever they want at any time and no one can react?
I would agree with your point if the girls looked uncomfortable or just made funny faces but if their reaction was to call the girl lame and flip her off, they're the problem. also the girls could've just went up to jackie and asked her not to take pictures of them or went out of the shot while jackie was taking pictures
@@fullecliqse why should they have to accommodate her when she obviously shows no regard for them? Why should they leave?
@@MsApir-vd6vl if they were uncomfortable, they should've asked her not to take pictures not start bullying her
@@fullecliqse if she was upset she should have resolved the issue like an adult not let the internet fight her battles. Everyone in this story should learn about conflict resolution. There is no Saint or Demon in this story everyone sucks.
@@MsApir-vd6vl do you really think those girls would stop bullying her if she asked them to? this isn't 1st grade. the only way to deal with bullies is to expose them otherwise they'll keep being assholes. yes, the media bullying them was too far but it isn't jackie's problem or responsibility for all the people who went too far, she just wanted to share her story.
I feel like normal people shouldnt have to have professional publicity skills just in case they have to apologize on the internet someday
I guess be careful who you choose to be a dick to?
Being mean and bullying is two completely different things
these girls are the ones being bullied
Seriously, bullying is repeated harassment and everyone is so quick to use words that are proportional to the actual event. Just putting people who are actually being bullied into a worse spot because now they might now be taken seriously.
@@user-kg6pr1iv4i Thank you! Someone that knows what bullying is. It was really annoying to read and listen to people saying that the girls bullied the girl in front when they were just mean. It happens one time, not in a long period of time.
@@B-qz bullying does not necessarily have to be an everyday or repeated occurance. I say that as someone who was bullied all my fucking life for being autistic and chubby, some of the bullies the interaction was 1 time, because I saw them once but had to endure an hour of their bullying, that incident was still bullying to me just like the people who bullied me physically and emotionally for the duration of several years. There's different types of bullying and varying scales but acting like it has to be constant harasment for a long duration is such a weird new concept, like how long does it have to be until it's bullying? Idk just my two cents, as someone who has experienced varying types of it as well as long periods of it I just find it unhelpful too gatekeep how long bullying cunty behaviour has to be until it is officially bullying but idk maybe that's just me and I'll just stfu since look at the comments neither side can be reasonable.
So being mean is okay as long as you only do it once😂gotcha
not to take sides or anything, but im definitely suspicious of the tiktoker. she posed sadly for minutes while her brother/fiance took a video of her and the two girls being doing silly poses and calling him lame because they were uncomfortable with being filmed by a random man they dont know. she put in text and edited the vid to show the girls in a bad light, and then after they apologized to her face to face she still called them bullies. her not condoning hate sent their way seems more like a pr move than genuine sincerity when shes the one putting them on blast like that
This was clearly a premeditated pile-on on the part of the tiktoker Jackie. Those girls didnt do anything to deserve what they got. What was rude was posting this video, knowing how her followers would respond
She didn't just "say how she felt." She recorded strangers for being slightly catty about having a camera pointed in their direction and posted it to her tiktok for...pity clout?
Yeah, it sucks, people can be mean. But if you're a content creator who is going to be recording yourself in public, you're going to have to accept the fact that the people in the background are not your props or NPCs. They are not going to behave the way you want or expect them to, and not everyone is going to take kindly to being recorded while they're just trying to go about their day. Sometimes people are just assholes but they don't deserve to be doxxed because of it.
@@blackbearcj5819 maybe it's just a generational thing, but flipping off a camera is really more of a silly-slightly rude thing to do, not bullying. Tiktokers are allowed to have feelings, but this girl didn't just go "I'm sad", she went "look at how mean these horrible bullies are" clearly directing hate their way regardless of how many people she expected to see the vid. Yeah it's not her fault it blew up and a lot of people attacked the girls, but would it be ok if just (*insert normal amount of views she gets*) saw the vid and hated the girls as a result? And the "not to take sides" was clearly a joke referencing Nick repeating that line... Please get some critical thinking skills.
@@gutter_rabbit people shouldn’t be doxxed and people shouldn’t be assholes either. Obviously doxxing is worse but let’s not pretend that being an asshole in public doesn’t have consequences.
YUP
I feel bad for the reality company. Imagine having your business go under because a bunch of terminally online teenagers review bombed you over someone that doesn't even work for you.
Naw Jackie is a weirdo. She literally still has the video up yet “She doesn’t condone bullying”She sat there and edited a video on purpose to paint those girls in a bad light. How was it bullying when you were also doing something to affect the other party did Jackie ever consider letting them know that they were going to be in her video? No. It’s weird to expect people to be fully comfortable with you, putting them in the background of your content then going online and claiming them to be bullies
the fact that so many people are both siding this thing (including Nick) is insane
You are among the few sensible humans on here.💕
Yeah when he showed that clip of the girl saying that Jackie did this because she couldnt advocate for herself and wanted the net to do it for her its like.....yeah thats dead on right lmao.
Exactly!!
Literally. She’s on the internet-she knew people would hate on these girls. Imo way more cruel than what the girls did
do influencers forget that they have a platform or something? like you can talk about people being "mean" but literally recording and posting it is just weird
To me definitely intentional reason and got the attention and more subscribers she ordered.
@@phoenixgirl70it was definitely intentional. The video has millions of views and the girls are getting death threats. She should have taken it down but she didn’t because she benefits from it.
i feel like the word bullying has just lost all of its meaning at this point. being rude to someone once isn’t bullying, repeatedly harassing them and trying to ruin their lives is ACTUALLY bullying. obviously what they did was wrong but it wasn’t bullying.
@Ayla I feel you. But it’s gonna be okay
Listen, idk what happened to the girls yet, I’m still watching the video, but based on the first video alone, idk how you could defend them? They weren’t just goofing, they were being massive assholes! They remind me of the popular girls in high school who’d bully everybody that wasn’t in their group. They seriously need to grow tf up if that’s their reaction to someone just taking selfies. I don’t think they should face harassment or death threats for it (I’m assuming that’s what ends up happening), but what they did was still completely messed up and I totally would’ve confronted them if I was a third party observer in that situation
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 yes!!!
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 Because many of the comments are projecting themselves to the girls, how they dont like tiktok influencers, and dreamed of doing what those girls did.
They’re ignoring the actual context of the video where everyone is in a public place, and they are in a sports stadium which is already being filmed anyways. They had no problem of their faces being on the big screen and focused on by said stadium so clearly they dont have an issue being filmed.
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 I agree, the doxxing was uncalled for but the way everyone’s trying to make them out to be completely innocent and the other person a villain is weird.
I honestly think you are too kind, this influencer DEFENITELY posted the video looking for pity points, and DOES NOT CARE if other people's lives are ruined. She filmed them for 10 minutes and wouldn't even look them in the eye.
that’s true asf and she even posted after « let’s get them fired » so like i feel she def had malicious intent. also why if he was taking photos of her was she not in the center of frame and posing and then continuing to record while she looked upset and over it. so weirf
Exactly
I don't doubt she got her feelings hurt, but she definitely posted this for pity points. She wanted revenge and she kinda got it.
@@gennyyy.13 Could have wanted a down-up angle? very flattering angle for most people.
Exactly! He really was afraid of standing up for two people who got doxxed and harassed for making faces at someone they dont know filming them. If she really couldn't say anything and wanted people to feel bad for her she should have at least censored them but she didn't. When you a following online you should know the impact of your actions
They could have made their point 100 times more valid if they had just been adults and said “hey, we’re uncomfortable being recorded can you please stop”
Next, you can absolutely move seats at a sporting event, not all tickets sell and/or people don’t show up. I’ve moved spots at sporting events if I see a specific seat/set of seats are empty for a decent portion of a game. So “we couldn’t move cause those were our assigned seats.” Doesn’t really hit as a valid argument to me. Especially at a baseball game, baseball games (at least the ones I’ve been to) aren’t exactly a packed house.
Lastly, were they alittle distasteful and rude? Yeah absolutely. Could they have just asked to not be recorded or moved seats? Also yes. Do they deserve to be threatened and dragged by literally tens of millions of people? No of course not.
i think people forget that those girls areeee not influencers and they don’t have audiences to apologize to. there’s no “i’m sorry for disappointing you” bc they didn’t choose to have an audience of up to, what, 9 million people? they were just being dumb kids. this is so stupid lol like they’re literally, what, 18, 19? and yah, they were being mean dorks, but this girl knew damn well that by putting their faces in a video, she was exposing them in a specific context that tiktok would blow it way out of proportion.
they don’t need to apologize, their explanation clears it up. if a man was recording me in public for over a minute i’d start reacting too. and she was right with the photobombing statement, that’s regular shit. fucking up her jobs rating is crazy, an in general if what they were doing was “bullying” then what everyone else is doing is straight harassment and intimidation
Yup. If some weirdo was taking videos of me I would be creeped out. If they had angled their camera towards Jackie their story wouldn’t have made sense but it’s clearly angled at the guy taking the videos so it tracks.
Yeah it's so funny how people don't care about the context of why the 2 girls behaved like this because apparently it's not okay, no matter what. Okay, then why do we care about the context of why this freak doxxed them? Then let us treat her as someone who doxxed 2 people and ruined their lives for no reason. Context doesn't matter, right?
Yes they needed to apologize because they were making fun of OP, not the cameraman. At the very beginning of video, the girl on the left specifically leans very far over to her other friend on the right, directly behind OP, to flip her off. She was already in the shot before she leaned over so why would she do that if she didn't know the cameraman was filming OP? Because she wanted to make sure she ruined her shot. She was also responding whenever OP made any gesture so you can't tell me for a second she wasn't directing her antics towards OP. Photobombing with a middle finger is normal, but escalating it thought-out the video by bringing in your friend is no longer photobombing. You're just being a jerk at that point. Granted I do believe OP should have told the cameraman to before that point.
@@Momoyue Oh god this fu&%ing reddit detective right here
Yessss
Based on how the camera was oriented it looks like the girls could probably see that they were in full frame of the influencers camera (if it was facing forward) and that’s why they were messing with her because she was recording them for long periods of time?
Like the camera showed more of the background (and therefor the other girls) than the influencer!
I agree. To the girls it probably just looked like the guy recording was recording them. I def would’ve also been creeped out if I was under the assumption that a random man was recording me for 5-10 min
They released an apology/statement and that's exactly what they said. They were on the jumbotron (big tv screen) beforehand, so they thought they were being harrased
Yeah, she shouldn't have recorded so many people without their consent.
I especially dislike that she decided to disrespect the privacy of some girls (who could have been minors) by posting online about them being mean, when it was obvious that they acted like that because she already had disrespected their privacy in that moment.
And then the internet comes in and does the same thing that the girls were making fun of to begin with.
@@juli5945 That argument goes down the drain given they are in a baseball stadium. There are huge disclaimers before entering about being filmed in and they had no issues being on the jumbo screen.
I think filming random people without their consent is more of a violation than one of them calling you lame for doing so. But either way it’s really not that deep. I imagine a lot of the people who are vehement on cancelling these girls are projecting their own issues onto the situation.
“I imagine a lot of the people who are vehement on cancelling these girls are projecting their own issues onto the situation.“ You just described internet mob mentality in general.
“filming people without their consent” clearly they didn’t care cause they were very much showing out LMFAOOOO
...Do people not know what bullying is? Because I would not call what they did bullying...
Bullying is like, a constant thing. This is just a one off incident. I agree this isnt really bullying
Wow that minor interaction really got blown out of proportion. If that wasn’t filmed, everyone involved would’ve forgot about it in a week and never see each other again.
Facts but internet ppl need to touch grass
They weren't even bullying they just didn't want to be on camera... if an influencer comes near you are you obligated to act nice while you're on their video??
@@blackbearcj5819or you could stop randomly filming people.
no, youre not obligated to act in any type of way, but they werent just being not "nice", they were being outright-rude and disrespectful and their "apology" deflecting all blame, accusing the girl recording of defamation and just... not apologising is evidence of this. u start off by politely asking u not be recorded, and allow the situation to evolve from there (that is, if u dont want to be a douchebag). that being said, nothing they did was deserving of the way the internet is treating them (especially w the business they worked for being closed down for no reason). is it annoying to be recorded wo your consent? yes, however the girl recording clearly had no intention of recording them and no one around her made any attempt to ask her not to record them - instead just going out of their way to make her feel uncomfortable and self conscious.
this video (nick's) is clearly ab taking both sides into consideration and looking at this from an unbiased standpoint, and youre not doing that by downplaying and dismissing all the wrong that those girls took part in; youre doing exactly what the people harassing these girls are doing and only looking at it from a "sun and moon" perspective. u dont need to dismiss all of those girls' wrongdoings to still paint them as sympathetic individuals who are being victimised by the internet's psychopathy
They could have asked him to stop recording if that was the case. I call BS. If they were directed at him they wouldn’t have said ‘lame’ rather ‘creep’ or something
@@playgr0undx wrong. they were not being "randomly." They were so obviously randomly in the background of a girl's video and decided to be assholes even though they consent to being filmed/recorded when they enter a public space. Yall need to get a grip.
@sayrasshat bullying ? Girl that’s not bullying. Did you even watch the video.
I hate that we’re at the point in the internet where people who do something that
(arguably) puts them in the wrong on such a minor situation like this means their life is essentially ruined
Like they were just goofing around with their friends, and now their full names have been revealed to everyone on twitter
I really dont think what they did was extreme, was it dumb? yeah! but that girl chose to involve non consenting parties to her VIDEO(s) and not what could arguably be better such as a quick vid that’s not invasive or a quick selfie IMO!
@@whittybench5788 all those girls had to do was ask her to crop them out or blue their faces.
@@brianna058 exactly. I think even when the girl posted the video exposing them she still could've probably blurred their faces? But yeah all the girls had to do was ask her to block their faces or just find their own way to cover their face or something. The reactions of people revealing their names and leaving negative reviews on their jobs' websites is a bit much
even with the people saying "if I heard the 'lame' I would be swinging" is a bit much - realistically it would be better if they just ignored them they'd be the better person
lmao I dont feel bad at all besides them being doxed, which was wrong. they made an "apology" that was basically them explaining why they were making fun of someone? its laughable you call being a shit person "goofing off", maybe dont put yourself in positions where your acting like a twat in public? my parents taught me about that pretty early on in life, The doxing and stuff is extreme, but the rest of the hate they have brought to themselves.
its not just twitter, either. its everywhere on the internet. you google their names a few years from now after everyone decided to get over it and you will still see this story pop up.
Maybe I'm a demon but watching the clips I was wondering if the entire situation was a misunderstanding that got whipped up into drama and online harassment campaigns. Also I feel like there is a weird thing going on here where being rude all of a sudden is now "bullying". To me bullying implies a regular consistent demeaning behavior towards another person, being mean or rude to a stranger once does not constitute bullying.
Side note: obviously being mean/rude to a person is bad but that is different from bullying.
Yup
Yeah bullying to me is repeated harassment, being rude to someone once isn’t bullying. People just like to throw that word around to make themselves seem like more of a victim.
@@Olivia_1100 being rude to someone once can very well be bullying. Literally by definition. It doesn’t have to be an everyday occurrence. It doesn’t even have to be consistent.
I think "bullying" has become a bit of a useless word because it's used to describe so many things. It often demotes actions like harassment, stalking, and assault from serious crimes to trivial jabs in people's minds, especially when they involve children, or it does the complete opposite, like with these college students. It's a nebulous concept that lets too many people get away with bad behavior.
@@AyshaaDuvv Yeah. Bullies love to deflect “its not bullying uwu harassing people is not bullying if they deserve it !!1!1”
I’m sorry, that is considered bullying!? No one that considers them as bullies has ever been bullied. Damn if my primary school bullies only did that then my life would have been way easier!
For real! Being flipped off and called names once really isn't the same as the shit bullies actually do. My school counselor defined bullying as repeated patterns of unprovoked and unkind behavior or something like that, this is neither a pattern, unprovoked, or unkind considering the circumstances of having a stranger film you when you're just trying to enjoy your day.
You know what? I don't think everything warrants an apology. After posting that online, she doesn't deserve an apology. If you film people without their consent, they gonna act how they act. They did nothing abhorrent, they were rude. The reaction from people to this video is frankly pathetic and helps absolutely no one. Those people are the only ones who should be giving apologies.
Feel like the names of those girls should've been blurred but idk
dude this is MILLIONS OF PEOPLE deciding that these two girls are the scum of the earth. as someone who’s been shit talked like that by people directly within earshot, i wouldn’t wish that on ANY of them. imagine how hard it’s gonna be for them to get jobs, to go out in public, etc. what they did was shit, yeah, but like. there’s no reason to ruin their lives for it??
I wish the people who blew this out of proportion used there energy to people who actually deserve it and to things that actually matter.
I have paranoia about being recorded.. not for this reason, but because I always think im being recorded by strangers and being posted in the internet. This was really aggravating
This just goes to show how easy you can manipulate a story to get people on your side by posting a one-sided narrative. This tiktokker edited and narrated the video to make it seem like she was all alone in this world filming herself and these girls just said the meanest things about her that we of course can't hear in the video but she could.
Then after all the backlash we get the other side of the story from the point of view of the two girls. To them they saw an older man recording them for 5-10 minutes in a public place where they had assigned seating so they didn't feel they could leave, and which made them feel uncomfortable and harassed. So they goofed of at the camera, instead of confronting the man. They did not realize that the woman was reacting to them, they just reacted to the man. This also makes me wonder what "mean things" they were supposedly saying about her if they didn't even realize she was involved.
idk the whole situation but i think if you’re gonna film and not care if you’re filming strangers in the back, those strangers don’t owe you silence
The recorder should have addressed them if she had an issue. The thing is, none of this situation should have been online or had millions of eyes on it. Situations like these should be handled between adults, like adults.
Exactly- if they would have addressed it in person it would have never gotten so far over what was essentially a misunderstanding.
I mean if they had an issue, THEY should've addressed the recorder, you're in a public area and people like to idk take pictures to have solid memories of being at a thing like a game. If you have an issue with being in that, ask them politely if they could stop or move or something, not go to "LAAAAAAME" and flick off the people (or camera), you wanting the recorder to "act like an adult" when they should've you know acted like adults themselves. I'm not saying they deserve the amount of hate they got (because they don't) but they are VERY clearly in the wrong (along with the internet consciousness of doxxing)
The girls should have addressed the recorded if they were feeling uncomfortable.
@@Drcrytears I’m sorry but those girls photobombing in the background does not make them “VERY clearly in the wrong” the influencer is in the wrong for even POSTING that video on her TikTok to her followers in the first place. Especially editing it the way she did. Just insane to me that people are even taking the side of the influencer or trying to justify what she did. She knew exactly what she was doing or what would happen when she decided to post it. And she certainly got her internet sympathy points and clout.
They literally had no obligation to apologize in the public eye because they didn't even do it in the public eye. Like they coulve just found this girl and apologized on the outset, apologizing to the internet is literally just damage control because they were painted as bad people against their will, so i get why they didn't seem sorry. I would not be sorry, because the internet is the one in the wrong
“against their will” I didnt realize they were forced to act like assholes.
It also bothers me how people are saying “it’s because they were recorded without their consent!” when the original poster was just taking selfies and they *happened* to be two of _many_ in the background at a _public event_ . They went out of their ways to stick out and become part of the video just to make the girl feel shitty about having a good time. Not to mention THEY RECORDED HER? They took out their phones and pointed them at HER without HER consent? I get that they didn’t deserve to be doxxed or threatened, obviously, but the people defending them are applying mad double standards for the sake of excusing mean girl behavior…
@@hanatemonstas4485 Idk if there was more than what was shown in the video but all they did was free range, they didn't sign off to be extras. Literally just photo bombing. If you're going to be filming in public you need a tough shell because it's weird for people around you and just because TikTok exists now doesnt mean everyone is suddenly opting in.
@@marsupialsofmars3886 Except they are in a public place. A baseball stadium too, y’know, something is broadcasted across the world where people recorded by broadcaster or the audience anyways. Its common knowledge you may appear on film. If you watched the video, they were even on the jumbo screen before and they had no issue with that.
I dont even like TikTok or influencer culture but c’mon. Being in the background of a video or photos has a long thing in stadiums before TikTok. Thats just common sense. Just give a middle finger and move on. Or talk to them like adults. No need to behave like children.
@@hanatemonstas4485 ah alright that one is a good point
it’s always weird to be filmed, especially if it’s for the 5-10 minute long time span. while their actions were rude and immature, it definitely doesn’t deserve the kind of backlash they got for such a small thing. i’m glad you talked about it because this whole situation is absurd.
The TikTokker was filming people without their consent. If some narcisist was doing that to me, I would have been MUCH "meaner" about it. Its so weird that people like this think they're entitled to be rude and inconsiderate of others in a public space and no one else can say something about it.
Women: goof around in the back of a video and that leads to having their lives destoyed
Men: commit vile acts of r4pe, abuse, sex trafficing, SA etc and still have rabid fans who will protect them at all costs.
Imagine if we directed the energy to actual bad people, what a crazy idea.
Actually not wrong
^^^ There is also so much misogyny (coming from a lot of women ironically) in this situation. They've built these women up in their head as "mean girls" and dehumanized them in a way. They have valley girl accents so of course they must be terrible people. This is worse than the West Elm Caleb fiasco imo.
Seriously! There is no shortage of companies, policies, people, etc to focus that anger and energy on.
Yup and it was probably women taking this too far with the job ratings and doxing. It just breaks my heart. Until more wake up and realize we’ve been conditioned to think and act this way in every kind of media. And with social media? I don’t know how teens/young people who’ve just known nothing else survive it mentally. Down the line the effects are going to come out in a very, sad way. We’ve gotta have each other’s back and think critically. Educate others about this bullshit we’ve been taught.
I completely agree, but I still think it’s wrong to reduce what these women were doing to “goofing around.” They were harassing op, plain and simple. Just because they didn’t deserve the magnitude of backlash they received doesn’t change the fact that they were completely in the wrong and just behaving like totally shitty, petty people.
Anyone notice the way Nick's hair at the top makes a heart? Also I dont think neither of them were in the wrong, I think everyone who made it worse was in the wrong for making it way bigger then it should be
Hahaha I just left a comment about his lil curl heart
Respectfully, as someone who was bullied most of my school life, what those girls did is not bullying. They were being filmed without their consent, so they fucked around. If the tiktoker didn't want anyone saying "mean" things behind her during the filming, she should have been considerate for the people around her. She was rude for choosing to film them without permission
Speaking respectfully as someone who was bullied from K to 12. This was bullying, two people mocking and teasing a random stranger is bullying behavior. They could have just talked to her but they instead choose to belittle and mock her. People don't usually ask for consent for a quick tiktok.
@@touchofcomics1841 coming from someone who was also bullied their entire school life (and even almost drowned bc of a bully) this is not bullying. full stop. bullying is *repeated* harassment with a *power imbalance* at play. just about every anti-bullying organization will say the same. if the video had never been posted, these people would've never seen each other again. and the only power imbalance i can see is a person with a platform putting two randos on blast
In the same boat. But having someone be rude or disrespectful to you or hurtful only an instance that happened only here or there is called having a shitty day, not bullying.
@ambrosia Bullying isn't always repeated harassment, it can be but it can also be something like randomly pushing someone, mocking them and even hitting them. I was randomly pulled into a closet and beat up by about 12 kids once and it never happened again. Was I not bullied? I've had girls I've never talked to pick random fights with me and destroy my stuff once and never do it again. Was that not bullying? I've also had people tease me and hit me every day. But i don't think drawing a line in the sand and acting like bullying is only one type of behavior isn't gonna help anyone. Cuz it actively invalidates victims who dealt with different types of bullying.
@ambrosia Adults aren't bullied the same way kids are. It's often small random moments of being belittled or mocked or attacked that will probably never happen again unless they are your coworker, friend, or family member.
Some people were never bullied in their life and then they see someone taking the piss at them and think they’re being bullied
one of the frustrating things about this situation was that it could’ve been avoided by both parties involved. the girls in the back should’ve expressed that they were uncomfortable and asked her to not to record anymore. jackie could’ve told them that she wants to record/take pics they would be in the frame of and asked if that was okay.
also i feel like the people who are doing entirely way too much might be trying to act out the justice they wanted to do to their bullies.
They very clearly expressed they were uncomfortable
@@kat3217 not in a direct way, it just came off as them mean girling the girl rather than expressing discomfort.
To clarify I don’t think the original poster is in the right either, but it definitely wasn’t the right way to go about it oh either side.
why is no one talking about the fact that the girl was never even associated with the business that got shut down 😭 and the house that they leaked was someone else’s
it’s cuz the people doxxing them are probably around the age of 14
Being rude & goofing around because you are in someone's video is not bullying. And being rude doesn't deserve 'cancelling' or attacking.
19:20 “mmmh I’m a creator with a big following and I’m posting these two girls saying they’re bad people. I wonder what will happen”🤡
If her husband or brother really was capturing SEVERAL minutes of footage in a seat they weren’t supposed to to be in, and I was those girls, I’d be livid. I’m not going to be chill and patient while you’re wasting my time and making me uncomfortable for a prolonged period with your video, especially if it’s non consensual.
That influencer has gotten more than enough social credit and views, and possibly undeserved sympathy if what the other girls say is true, than to make up for her momentarily bruised ego (given the millions jumping to her defense and gassing her up).
this *whole* situation is the definition of chronically online.
I wouldnt be apologizing 4 someone recording me & then gets mad at what I do in the video. internet is wild. Imagine being in college caught up in this I’d be terrified someone would come to my house
Recording people without their consent is huge weirdo behavior, period. She did not need to set up her phone for a wide shot to take selfies, she could have held her phone at arm's length like a normal person, or got her brother or whoever it was that was with her to take it for her, then put it away. I'm on the "mean girls" side 100%.
Same, I already left comments about this but I just want more people to reconsider siding with the influencer. Saying a couple of mean things to someone who won't stop recording you for minutes is not bullying or even that bad imo.
People should learn what consent is, I do not care if they are in a public setting, recording multiple people without consent for long periods of time is wrong.
@@juli5945 exactly. Incidentally capturing someone in a quick crowd shot is one thing, planting a camera down directly at someone you don’t know is another.
Same!
Imo it’s not that weird to set up a camera for a wide shot for selfies like really at all, however the fact she became aware of someone behind her having an issue and she didn’t stop makes it p clear to me that she saw an opportunity for a video that could go viral by ppl feeling bad for her so that’s where it crosses the line into weirdo behaviour
Like yeah I’m sure her feelings were genuinely hurt but there is also an aspect of milking it bc like the only justifiable reason to film a stranger is if you feel endangered by their behaviour and that clearly isn’t what was happening LOL
She was not recording them. It was a public event. She was taking a video of herself. When she posted it, she cropped it to emphasize how mean they were being. They were not directly being recorded. Their lie that they thought a man was filming them is super weird. In the original video, she is clearly in the center of the screen. They are very much off to the side. How come yall keep missing that?
okay but it's so fucking awkward seeing someone recording RIGHT in front of you while you're literally in the frame when you never asked to be especially if you can't even move because it's a seated event. If she was taking selfies or whatever, point the camera at yourself.. why is it at this weird half angle where it's you and people behind you that didn't ask to be filmed?? they didn't need to be rude with the faces but I'm shocked that homegirl didn't have the self-awareness to realize the weird situation she was putting them in and then to dox them???? girl bye I'm sorry but I do not have the empathy for this today lol
the video was CROPPED??? omg...like the video was literally cropped.......
@@commandery3574 what difference does that make? lol
Yeah, seriously. The girl filming is the one who made it a problem
i mean if i’m in the back of a video i don’t wanna be i’m not gonna be a bitch about it. id just turn away or look away and then after the videos over if i REALLY don’t want to be in it then i’ll speak to her in a mature way after.
@@helenfaith1508 well considering that they’re all in seats and the fact that homegirl was apparently recording the entire time, it’s a bit awkward (like i said) to just spend the entire time looking away and trying to not acknowledge the fact that you’re literally being recorded. Please, let’s not try to normalize filming in random ass places and making strangers in the back part of your skits online, it’s weird and awkward.
you may not be making fun of chronically online people but I certainly am
😂
The fact that people lowered that companies rating so low is fucked up. That could legit ruin the company by giving them no business and make a shit ton of people unemployed.
"we hate bullys!" people yell as they bully the 2 girls into the ground.
i just wanna say, if it had been guys doing what those girls did, it never would have got this far
it wouldve reached the guys who like to insult women for having emotions side of tiktok 😭😭
I disagree…
You're just as bad as the red pilled men saying this nonsense.
No if a guy was recording themselves and the girls were in full shot and making fun of him for it nobody would have cared and acted like a little baby was made fun of that just had to be defended frome big bad bullies 😢
it most definately would. lmao.
She was recording them without consent and posting it to a massive audience that is tiktok??? Thats a no from me. I am a big believer in blurring faces. Everyone involved seems shitty and selfish to me.
its a public sporting event.... EVERYONE IS RECORDING AND TAKING PICS..the girls were the assholes here period... im OBVIOUSLY not saying they deserve to be doxxed but to pretend that heckling and mocking someone and taking a pic/vid in public are the same is ridiculous.
Recording with semi private intentions like family and friends versus purposfully sharing it knowing how the internet is?
They shouldnt be in this situation. If the lady had a problem she should have said something to them not the internet
@@elyanrebellion NOTHING posted online is private... thats bs.. and whos to say she didnt?? and even if she didnt .. is she responsible for how randoms react?
And I dont think we should normalize "well ppl can post whoever they want with no regards to privacy because u cant stop them."
Its weird to record strangers and post it for likes. Delivery driver footage from a ring camera, staff at a denny's, girls pestering u at a baseball game all of it is weird.
@@kdot3726 this is a tiktoker who already had like 50k followers before this, she wasn’t just “taking a selfie”. maybe that’s how it started but she still filmed for a while, edited the video, and posted it for her followers knowing she was putting them on blast. those girls were acting cringy as fuck and shouldn’t have acted like that, but the tiktoker also needs to take some responsibility here. this isnt normal behavior on either side
Being filmed in public without permission can be so awkward. I don’t blame the girls for wanting to make fun out of the situation.
I flipped off a creeper a few weeks ago who was taking pics of my friends and me so tbh I get it
I disagree that she didn’t know people would come for these girls. We have all seen how quick the internet reacts when they see something they perceive as wrong and you have to know that there is a possibility that the internet will collectively harass them. Everyone in this scenario needs to grow up.
honestly, if someone's taking pics with you in the bg without asking, instead of mocking and making mean remarks, you can just,,,ask them to take pics in a way that you don't show up in their pics. If they're rude about it, you can do wtv you want then
idk even from the og tiktok it looks like the lady was already filming the girls (they were suoer in frame the whole time) which makes me believe what they abt them being filmed.
I don’t like how the first girl even edited her video to add the Tiktok voice to make the video extremely sympathetic towards her to the point where it seems like, while she might not have expected it to get this big, it feels like she was definitely trying to get the most likes out of people feeling bad for her that she could (whether that be her intention or not). I don’t wanna dog pile on her because that doesn’t help the situation and it’s counterproductive, it’s just kinda irritating how long she left up the og video (idk if it’s still up, it might still be up, I deleted Tiktok) even after all of this negative attention started going their way. It seemed like she really didn’t care just because it wasn’t affecting her. Either way, I just want this to be over.
The video is STILL up. It was posted 9 days ago. She also has 550k followers on tiktok so i'm guessing she had a large following before this as well. So weird for an influencer to post a video centering on these girls face and doing all of that editing down for it and not have any clue that she was inviting hate to these people.
@@snakejaguar4061 exactly. It’s really sad that she still has it up because she’s acknowledged how much damage this has done to them AND claims she accepted their apology, but that’s still not enough? At this point leaving it up just tells people she wants more followers, I feel. Especially since I feel like she could have posted that entire video with their faces blurred and the point would have STILL gotten across. If she blurted their faces and captioned it “they were making faces at me” the point would have gotten across, she would have still had the sympathetic video she wanted, and this could have been over a lot quicker. And while she must not have known it’d get so big, I feel like we just need to start normalizing blurring people’s faces in general if you’re posting to a PUBLIC audience without their consent.
@@malindalinda5714 Yes!! Complete agree on blurring faces. I don't care if someone is posting a positive video about strangers, it always gives me the ick to see them posting people's faces without their permission.
I want to give the tiktoker the benefit of a doubt but my mind tells me she knew exactly what she was doing...It just seems very odd to me that she wouldn't have taken it down when she had the time to film and edit another reaction to the situation. The last (and first) time I checked, all she did was turn off comments?
I'm sure people will disagree with this but I really don't feel that those girls owed her an apology at all. They (correctly) assumed they were being filmed and reacted to it. Calling someone lame is honestly not that big of a deal imo (I've been bullied and what they were doing isn't that...) If anything, I think she owed THEM an apology for putting them through that when she should have known better as an influencer. Also her saying that 'all she wanted was for them to apologize to her' gave me the ick in that last video. The way it was phrased to me sounded almost intentionally like she WANTED there to be consequences, but I could just be reading into that. It also is really concerning to me how many influencers don't see her as having done anything wrong.
i feel like the people attacking these girls were people who were bullied and wanted to take out that anger
I can’t stop looking at the two curls on Nicks head that are forming a heart
That girl has obviously never been bullied in her life bc that wasn’t bullying they were being filmed without the consent, so they reacted. Was it uncalled for yes, but it was a reaction not bullying bullying is a habitual behavior that is repeated over time so what they called her lame is it really the end of the world
I really don’t get this at all. These are bullies? Is this what a bully is now? They weren’t being racist or homophobic or anything with deeper meaning… they were just being jerks probably because they felt like she was being one. Not cool but not worth any sort of attention.
I mean, my bullies weren't racist or homophobic either, they just excluded me from everything and relentlessly mocked me.
However, I don't think these girls were bullies. They were reacting to feeling like they were being watched. Bullies would have been mean as soon as the camera came out, not waited 10 minutes. Bullies also would have kept the harassment going, even after being called out on their shit.
My bullies never stopped when called out, never apologized, were never threatened or intimidated into their behaviours, they were just cun+s
@@Nakia11798 I agree, those were just a few things I threw out there. My bullies weren’t either, but they did leave me out as well and target me personally. I don’t think this girl was targeted for anything but her own actions. And it was a one-time thing, not a pattern of behavior.
It doesn't look like they're being that mean. The laaaame was the meanest thing, definitely uncalled for. Can't help but think I could laugh with my buddy about some weirdo in front of me who's spending more time watching and filming themselves than the baseball game
This and also because of the angle I might think she was doing that thing where people pretend to film themselves but are really filming someone behind them to laugh at them
and the influencer didnt even try to hide their faces too?? like you already knew that they didnt like that you were recording them but now youre just putting them on blast for the whole internet, something about that just rubs me the wrong way. if that happened to me then sure i wouldve been sad for a while but to purposely set up your camera to capture these peoples reactions of you, caption it, and then ACTUALLY POST IT, i dont know something just doesnt make sense to me.
@@angelelelelalalalalelae It doesn't make sense because she is doing the very thing the girls were making fun of: breaching people's privacy without their consent.
Uh what about them flipping her off and recording her…
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395they didn’t record her.
Everyone’s an idiot for being so upset over a girl who plopped up a camera in front of other people, there’s a difference between taking a selfie and then involving non consenting people in your VIDEO.
Not taking any sides, but imagine being the side that doxxed these kids
Come on, its a large public televised event. There are thousands of people taking videos of themselves, the game, their family, their friends...etc at events like this. Can yaII honestly and sincerely tell me that yaII dont have a single photo or video that has random people in the background?
Nah the originaI girI did nothing wrong in that regard
the girls were fully in her frame and being filmed for a prolonged period of time, the girls were being mean but they weren't wrong for fucking with her video.
@@botanicalitus4194 setting up a tripod to take videos for several minutes is really not comparable to the examples you've brought up. Not to mention, this lady is an influencer and planned to post this to god knows how many people.
@Whitty Bench they're college students not kids 🥸
i also forgot to mention that i realized jackie is a pretty popular influencer when she made the video, so she could have had the foresight to know people would go after these girls, but i still don’t think she had intentions to harm them with the tiktok she made. just some extra thoughts who cares
Not to leave an unrelated comment, but maybe you should blur the names shown in the video of the girls? Not sure how this stuff works fully, but it might spread their names more :[ this video was really well worded though!!!
If she didn’t have those intentions she should have taken the video down when it started catching on but she didnt.
If you don't condone the doxxing, you should maybe blur out their names in the video, no?
@@kimvarkiit’s already out there, if people watching this really wanted to go after them more, they’d find it anyways. 🤷♀️
@@sagelouisee "I condemn doxxing, but I'm also going to doxx them in my video, because others already have done so"
Doesn't matter if the information is already out there. It's hypocritical to say that you are against doxxing, while also doing it.
This discourse gives me flashbacks to the girl that surprised her boyfriend while he qas in collage and people started picking every little frame of that tiktok apart. Maybe im just too old to care like that, but its insane.
I remember seeing this tik tok and saw the people starting to search for their identities. I honestly didn’t care, but now that they gave a poor explanation, it makes sense. They don’t know what’s going on and they are being recorded. I would act differently but it would probably also be seen as rude as well.
I do think the person who posted has some responsibility for recording these strangers. The girls are responsible for their rude behavior. And the invisible internet bandits are running wild with this.
People on the internet are so bored, they’ll jump on anything and twist it into a huge drama
Unrelated to the vid but I see jeonghan as ur pfp 😭 hey fellow carat 💕
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Honestly they’re all annoying in this situation lol, like shawty is getting everyone in the background of her photo when nobody consented, & then the girls are just a bit more rude than they should’ve been. Nobody needs to back up the influencer or bully the girls back that hard 🤷♀️
"a bit more rude", am really wondering what would be extremely rude to you ?
I hate how silly situations like these get taken way too far because some people can’t see nuance to save their lives. They just want an excuse to be extremely petty.
Nah. Maybe it's literally just me but these influencers have gotta stop acting so entitled to public spaces. If you record a video wherein non consenting random civilians are included, you're taking the risk that those people will not behave the way you want them too, and may take issue with it or find it mock-worthy. If your ego is so fragile that some people poking fun at your entitled behavior is gonna hurt so much, then film in your own home, or any other isolated environment
Those girls didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to apologize for. If you're going to be an influencer and film in public, be prepared to also get clowned on in public. The girls clowned on her. End of story. The bigger social faux pas is filming people without their consent. The original girl could've framed her video so that random people weren't in frame/focus. She chose to use this specific clip to dunk on those girl as retaliation for being clowned on.
She deserved to get a lil bit of clowning. The two other girls don't deserve to get widespread internet and IRL hate.
Cry then.
No the girls did wrong … do you not have manor’s? We’re you not raised right? I’d NEVER do this to someone … I was raised better … sure maybe as a kid my sister and I would make silly faces if we knew wee wee in the back of a photo but never flipped off a stranger , and kept whispering and yelling things at them “they didn’t do anything wrong “ yes… yes they did … they need to GROW UP , AND the original poster , all 3 of these girls need to grow up
@@Souls-at-zer0 Sure, maybe for a minute or two I wouldn’t mind being in another persons photo or video. Different story when it’s over 10 minutes of filming and someone else is also standing there taking a video of the person taking photos. They didn’t ask to be an influencer. The influencer is not entitled to others feelings or actions. They don’t automatically have to just sit there and take it because she whips out two cameras. She could have angled them out of her picture but she didn’t. Also where are her manners? They obviously had issues with being filmed & then decided to go one step further and post it to her following knowing the whole issue was because they didn’t want to be filmed. They definitely didn’t have to be childish, but it’s not like they started cussing her out.
In my honest opinion this ain’t even bullying 😭 this happens all the time, but she happened to film it. At this point the only bully is the haters towards these teen girls
Just because something is normalized doesnt mean its not wrong.
@@hanatemonstas4485 it’s still not bullying imo 🤷🏻♀️
Especially that she kept filming without doing anything, like at that point shes clearly just actually filming them
And the background girls felt more like the people goofing around behind news people on live TV
@@joey111 it was still a bit cunty tho lol
Sure these girls were bullying the poster and I hate that, but they don't deserve to be slapped or hit and especially don't 1 star the business one of the girls works for. I don't think their apology was helping them but the reactions aren't worth what happened by any means
It’s not really bullying. Bullying is by definition a repeated behavior. (Thanks elementary school anti bullying assemblies) They just goofed on this woman once. It’s not bullying.
@@Purplesquigglystripe exactly!! like, all we saw was some pretty minor mockary. the only thing they really did was flick off the camera and call her lame. and that was just because the poster was blatantly recording them. calling it "bullying" and saying they should be bullied (i.e. harrassed and doxxed, apparently) is an insane reach.
its tiring seeing people like them but sure maybe
@@Purplesquigglystripe they were probably bullies in school judging by their rudeness and disregard for other people's feelings. The fact that they could do that so openly to someone, I'm betting they were. Nasty little creatures
@clashwithwords it would definitely teach them a lot. Giving them a slap on the wrist like that won't stop them from doing it again
Imagine a stranger records you without your consent, posts the video without your consent, and then the internet decides to shame and dox you for a video that you did not make or agree to be in. The woman recording should have seen that the girls weren't happy about the situation and deleted the video like a fucking adult instead of posting it for clout.
Like yeah, the girls were being rude and could have just said something if they weren't happy. But they had a valid reason to be irritated and the internet seems to be ignoring that part.
And in any case, being a little rude to someone never, ever justifies doxxing them, revealing their full names, etc
Like can you imagine if YOU got upset with an influencer for recording you and then the next day, you wake up to the internet trying to ruin your life?