Indeed! There are so many variables and unknowns on the legality side. My worst nightmare would be one of my subscribers buying a recommended "UK Legal" knife and then getting into trouble with the law. I'm not going to carry a flipper now until they are tested as legal.
The silly thing is, a non locking flipper is probably the knife that would do the least damage in a frenzied attack. The detents are typically really weak in the open position. You just wouldn't risk stabbing anything with a flipper!
@@randomreviewz2628 yeah have to admit I haven’t taken it out either, just end up flipping it while watching TV and lacerating myself at the same time 🤦🏻♂️
It's so vague its scary. Your whole life could be turned upside down by a moody policeman and judge just by being caught with a seemingly legal knife in your pocket.
The length law is very explicit and clear - it's the cutting edge of the blade. People are speculating about the implications of loosely related rulings (Brooker vs DPP 2005). The Boker XS Plus clearly has only one edge of the blade that is designed for cutting. If you handed it to 1000 random adults, offered them £100 if they could cut a tomato with it, then every single one would instinctively pick the "bottom" edge to cut with. The knife only opens one way, and it would be mad to have a cutting edge that, when used, would push the knife closed. The various names and categorisation of the anatomy of a knife existed when the law was written. The knife is also of a very standard design, where all the parts are easily identifiable as standard parts of knife anatomy. I find it frustrating that police, some lawyers, and potentially even judges are ignoring the meaning of a plainly written law in favour of bizarre, convoluted interpretations. Even parliament, when drafting the law, changed it from "blade length" to "length of cutting edge of blade", based on advice from knife manufacturers to be more specific. A judge shouldn't be able to override parliament and say that the sky is actually green.
On the blade length vs cutting edge the spirt of the law is obviously talking about overall blade length, otherwise you could just dull big daggers and only have the top 3 inch sharp.
Why is it that people in power are the ones who know nothing about knives or guns? They ruin everything for nothing. Just adds vain stress to people who want to use tools for their intended rightful purposes.
Exactly! Especially is you want to be 100% above board and a good citizen. It makes it so difficult to follow the rules if the wording is open to interpretation.
@@randomreviewz2628So lawyers can argue on the finer points of law to make more money for themselves. It also means the law can be applied more selectively to achieve the desired results.
The key wording in this legislation is . automatic . Look uo the definition of automatic and it requires a mechanical device or electronic device . A device being a something made of springs and levers and buttons etc . NOT just a bit of the blade projecting out the rear of the knife .this is not a device and is certainly not automatic ,ie working by its self with little or no imput from the user .(as defined in the dictionary )
Thanks for the disclaimer. I guess it will always depend on the officer's interpretation of the law.
Indeed! There are so many variables and unknowns on the legality side. My worst nightmare would be one of my subscribers buying a recommended "UK Legal" knife and then getting into trouble with the law. I'm not going to carry a flipper now until they are tested as legal.
I carry a Serge Panchenko Slipjoint Razor. Love this knife, always sharp as heck.
I've got the Boker Wasabi too! With carbon scales. It's never made it into my EDC but it'd make a great steak knife.
They are already trying to ban large fixed blade knives due to knife crime. Wouldn’t surprise me if the legal knives section gets an overhaul as well.
The silly thing is, a non locking flipper is probably the knife that would do the least damage in a frenzied attack. The detents are typically really weak in the open position. You just wouldn't risk stabbing anything with a flipper!
@@randomreviewz2628 yup, I’ve cut myself on my Boker Wasabi so many more times than I have on my fixed blade, locking or even slip-joints combined.
@@retrostu1 That Wasabi is one of the few knives in my collection that has never left my house. It's nice for opening letters though
@@randomreviewz2628 yeah have to admit I haven’t taken it out either, just end up flipping it while watching TV and lacerating myself at the same time 🤦🏻♂️
Seems like a bit of gray areas in the laws
It's so vague its scary. Your whole life could be turned upside down by a moody policeman and judge just by being caught with a seemingly legal knife in your pocket.
The length law is very explicit and clear - it's the cutting edge of the blade. People are speculating about the implications of loosely related rulings (Brooker vs DPP 2005).
The Boker XS Plus clearly has only one edge of the blade that is designed for cutting. If you handed it to 1000 random adults, offered them £100 if they could cut a tomato with it, then every single one would instinctively pick the "bottom" edge to cut with.
The knife only opens one way, and it would be mad to have a cutting edge that, when used, would push the knife closed.
The various names and categorisation of the anatomy of a knife existed when the law was written. The knife is also of a very standard design, where all the parts are easily identifiable as standard parts of knife anatomy.
I find it frustrating that police, some lawyers, and potentially even judges are ignoring the meaning of a plainly written law in favour of bizarre, convoluted interpretations.
Even parliament, when drafting the law, changed it from "blade length" to "length of cutting edge of blade", based on advice from knife manufacturers to be more specific.
A judge shouldn't be able to override parliament and say that the sky is actually green.
On the blade length vs cutting edge the spirt of the law is obviously talking about overall blade length, otherwise you could just dull big daggers and only have the top 3 inch sharp.
Why is it that people in power are the ones who know nothing about knives or guns? They ruin everything for nothing. Just adds vain stress to people who want to use tools for their intended rightful purposes.
Exactly! Especially is you want to be 100% above board and a good citizen. It makes it so difficult to follow the rules if the wording is open to interpretation.
@@randomreviewz2628So lawyers can argue on the finer points of law to make more money for themselves. It also means the law can be applied more selectively to achieve the desired results.
The key wording in this legislation is . automatic .
Look uo the definition of automatic and it requires a mechanical device or electronic device . A device being a something made of springs and levers and buttons etc . NOT just a bit of the blade projecting out the rear of the knife .this is not a device and is certainly not automatic ,ie working by its self with little or no imput from the user .(as defined in the dictionary )
Assisted flippers were ok now they seem to be on the naughty list next will be manual flippers then any knife that can be opened single handed.