Every Day Carry - What is Legal in the UK?
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- UK Folding pocket knife exemption explained per s139 Criminal Justice Act 1988
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How are knife crime, machete knife crime, still happening? Don’t the criminals know these are illegal?
Odd thing, criminals don’t follow the law.
Criminals don't care about the law...
Which means the law isn't for them, it's for us.
Buekele kind of showed the way...
😂😂😂 great comment
It is important to remember that any item you claim to have for defensive reasons can then be interpreted as an offensive weapon in UK law.
nothing is ever for defense in the UK, if you say that you are the offender.
That's my point too. By definition your defensive object is not an offensive weapon. Could it be, sure. But it's not why you have it. You might want to ram some pedestrians with your car, if you're not right in the head, and yet I don't see everyone's driving licences revoked and cars destroyed. Criminals, by definition, don't care about the law. You, as a law-abiding citizen, have no right to defend yourself, or else you become a criminal yourself. It's absurd.
I always carry a book with me, in case I have to defend myself against boring people.
That’s exactly it. Any item that you carry for protection that has an different use simply *has* to be stated to be being carried for that other use. I carry a 6D Maglite torch with me.
Which is absurd.
Buying a £150 knife to open parcels...I'm in the wrong job.
For that price it has to be made from titanium.
It’s kind of a flex you know.
It's more like £50
I saw it as a massive humble brag
@@Ramsay77 My new UKPK has a titanium handle, its awesome.
I've worked in the security industry for many years. In those years, I've dealt with two knife incidents, the first was a stanley knife, the guy was threatening me and my colleague with it as he was trying to steal and we caught him, thankfully we managed to take it from him and hold him until police came, fast forward to court and despite the charges against him, he did no jail time and was released, his fine was peanuts.. the 2nd was 2 guys who were removed from premises because they were harrasing women who were on a birthday night out, they left without incident but came back "tooled up" again we handled the situation quite well, once we detained the one and got his kitchen knife the other chap ran away, police caught him later, fadt forward again and the case is dropped by police, all they got was drunk and disorderly to which they paid a small fine and were free to go. So if you wonder why knife crime is so high please not its because the law is lying to us, same as flytipping they say 10k fine, but in reality, it never is! The Uk justice system is nothing to fear. For whatever reason the justice system is easily beaten every time by solicitors who seem to be able to get around things.
So, there you go. Lesson 101 in the security industry. Don't call the police, and don''t let the guys go.
On our door if they're acting like that soon after is usually when they trip and fall down the flight of stairs next to our premises
Sometimes it seems the law goes after the easy targets like law-abiding fishermen, campers, tradesmen rather than the real ne'er do-wells. I'm suspicious it's because it's easy to fine normally law-abiding citizens, than real criminals.
It’s not a justice system, it’s a law system .
No, thugs get let off, its someone with scissors in their grooming kit that gets made an example of. Plus, it depends round here which colour you are as to the severity of your crimes.
Every schoolboy in the 1950s had a penknife in his pocket along with a bit of string, a broken pencil and various "stuff". The stuff varied with the season and could include marbles and conkers. Penknives with additional functions such as a point to get stones out of horses hooves were prized possessions despite the extra functions never being required.
Boy Scouts motto, BE PREPARED, now, its be a victim.
at 42 that is still the basic contents of my pockets, add a random spade fuse, a piece of kids lego
Even if it was provably true that "every" schoolboy carried a penknife, they weren't carrying a £126 pound Spyderco lockback, also you are still able to carry a penknife for the daily occurrence of horses with stones stuck in their hooves as long as it doesn't lock and the blade is under 3.5 inches long.
How did we ever go from young boys, conkers and marbles to young boys, drugs and stabbings? What happened to society between then and now? I feel that my generation has really failed in their responsibilities towards the young.
@@jb-zr4ezCoz the f-fin STUPID idiots running the show have allowed this current f-upped society we’ve allowed to breed!!…..and breed…..and breed…..and bre…..
A screwdriver is more dangerous than a 3 inch lock knife.
Stupid rules and lawmakers, and police, are even more dangerous than any knife.
That's why the UK police brag about confiscating screwdrivers, metal files, and other general tools they find in people's yards during "weapon sweeps"
Worked in a hospital years ago. Guy came in with horrific injuries to his thighs, arms, abdomen. Found later he'd been attacked with a screwdriver that had been sharpened to a very fine point.
@@alexthorpe2522 car thieves in Northern Ireland killed a car owner quite a few years back with a screwdriver. I don't think true justice was ever served either. That's how the UK law works, They target the innocent, and ignore the killers.
True
Don't bring a pocket knife to an umbrella fight
And vice versa, obviously.
@@binkwillans5138dunno about that, a big ass umbrella might be handy in a knife fight!
@@alexpeartree2019 Also handy for keeping unruly dogs at bay.
@@alexpeartree2019 True, just ask Hiram Holliday.
Your umbrella is a weapon too. Mine has a spike at the end.
WTF am I supposed to sharpen my quill with?
A pebble.
Your " pen knife" They're still legal.
Razor sharp w..
whoa whoa whoa, didn't you know quills were made illegal in public areas after king george 3rd cut his cuticle whilst on horse back!
@@ziggarillo .. you haven’t seen the size of my quill 😂😂😂
I know this is about Knives, but I do recall when hand guns were banned as a result of the terrible tragedy in Dunblane Scotland Many former legal hand gun owners said” when hand guns are outlawed , only the outlaws will have hand guns”
@DeborahDonnellan I know what I'm going to say will sound terrible but hand guns were banned as a result of Mr Bill Clinton. Tony Blair was so easily led and Clinton was pushing gun control hopping that 8f he could do it here then the states would see how much better it is and he could do it there. However as you can see violent crime figures are in no way lower.
Read Dunblane never forget. 👀
I never gave up my hand guns. Only the mugs done it.
@@fortnitefred1351
> Read Dunblane never forget.
Never forget that if the police had done their job properly, and properly enforced the existing firearms legislation at the time, Thomas Hamilton would never have been allowed to own those guns in the first place.
@@fortnitefred1351some say it was a hoax no one died no one got hurt (so I’ve heard) like the abedid thing in Manchester they say he blew himself up at the arena!!! The someone got a FOI request for the police Comms and apparently abedid was apprehended near the Renault garage in Salford in a silver Audi that he was know to drive.. but it was covered up as per.. so ask yourself how does a suicide bomber blow himself up then drives off in an Audi 😆. Oh and his dad was a asset of the security service on the attempted overthrow of gaddafi in the 90s then end up living in rusholme in Manchester so it’s no stretch for his son to get into that game.. 👍 don’t shoot the messenger
If I'm in my work clothes I'll more than likely have a knife in a pocket.
Never crossed my mind to use it on another person.
same.
Remind me not to insult you in your work clothes.
same. As a gardener and landscaper a pocket knife is the least dangerous tool i carry.
@@JamesBakerAdventurer I specialise in tradional Japanese horticulture so i use alot of traditional Japanese tools in my work . My hori hori that I use alot is bigger than most rambo knifes but at the end of the day they're tools to do ours job not weapons
@@DarkRainUK hilarious comment award goes to you 😂
I have had a police officer hum and arr about arresting me for having a fish filleting knife in my tackle box when sea fishing a couple of years ago. I used it for cutting up my bait and also cleaning and prepping fresh caught fish to put in the cooler to take home. I can tell you my back end tightened when having that conversation.
That "good reason" defence of section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act (1988) has to do a LOT of work.
Even small nail scissors are a liability as it doesn't say "knife" but any "article that has a blade or is sharply pointed".
hasnt happened to me but I have knives when fishing and camping, I also use a billhook to clear brambles from walkways and mtb trails in the forest because the council stopped doing it when the tories got in, it's unfair we risk punishment for the acts of a few idiots in shopping centres, druggies etc.
@@garygilbert1127 As a contributory member of a fishing club in the previous millenium, I would regularly carry a billhook or an Irish slasher, for clearing bankside vegetation. Apparently, if I did the same now, I could potentially be imprisoned.
I no longer live the the UK, a life-choice which seems to have been wise.
What a joke.
Quite right too, and you should have been imprisoned for A 1000 YEAAAAARRRRRRRRSSSSSSS. . .
Self defense is illegal. You might hurt your attacker.
To a Socialist, it's the only violent crime.
That is incorrect.
Self defence (spelled with a "c") is legal in the UK provided any force used is reasonable and proportionate.
Even lethal force can and has been lawfully used on occasion.
What is unlawful is carrying something with the intention of causing harm.
@@peterturner8766so you can defend yourself using deadly force or a weapon and cause harm as long as you didn’t intend to defend yourself with deadly force or the weapon, causing harm, if necessary. Makes perfect sense.
@@peterturner8766 Exactly. Well said.
@@imnotconvinced4833 Honestly grow up. It's pretty bleeding obvious.
Living in Poland is a lot more relaxed. I carry around a 4 inch locking blade with gravity assisted opening, without a care in the world. The length, lock, and opening mechanism would all be illegal back in the UK 😂
You can carry but still can't protect yourself because they would mean getting sent to prison after 😂🤡
That was Canada. Carried a locking Blackhawk for 15 years before moving to the UK, where I don't even chance an irritated stare lest the cops get called out.
@PW-72648 better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Only a lawyer would have a £150 knife for opening parcels. The rest of us using our keys or an open pair of scissors 😂
are we still allowed scissors?
@@garygilbert1127As long as you have paid your scissor tax.
I use a £30 swiss army knife, it's a great little tool to have in your pocket.
Meanwhile, people on the dole are walking around with £1000 phones and £250 ear buds. At least the knife is useful and nowhere near as disposable. £150 is hardly a lot for an incredibly useful tool which will last decades with proper care.
I Wa shocked you can get nearly the same knife by the same company for £30 lol
£146 for a knife to open parcels? Wow you're better paid than me! I got a Stanley knife for £3.
My thoughts exactly 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Opening "parcels"
I use my teeth.
🤔 to a barrister that’s loose change 🎉
@@soylentgreen326
Are you people? Asking for a friend
I know that you have touched on this subject before but I thank you for refreshing it for us.
in other words: don't you even think about defending yourself, as anything brought for defense will be quallified as 'offensive weapon'
Exactly. Our society has been turned into a nation of victims. And youths still carry machetes which they are not at all afraid to use. Then they disappear in Tenerife. ……
@@davidwebb4904 is the comment about that missing guy necessary thou?
@@simongrushka983 He's a wrong un. As is his entire family. He should be in high security for a decade for his crime of attempted murder, but no. He's off partying in Spain
The law is designed in a way that only bad guys can have weapon, good guys can easily became a victim, Because the bad guys don't have consequences if they attack someone
Waiting for the police? You can wait in your coffin for justice
@@simongrushka983Not too familiar with the story but if he previously used a Machete on the streets of the UK, then yes.
Isn't it lovely that one city being a crime-ridden hole means the rest of the UK gets pummelled with these stupid laws.
Im sure everything will improve under Starmer.
🤣
@@LuxFerre4242 ‘One’ city? … the list is long!
@@victororlov1236 Yes ,he will give everybody a free magic carpet ,so we can fly away from danger .
I don't know what city you mean, but I assume London. I'm not anywhere near London but I see about equivalent number of major traumas due to stabbing as to car crashes in my A&E. About 500 of each per year.
@@cliveo3 Or you can pay attention to your environment and maintain a casual level of situational awareness ... but that does requires some rational thought and intellect.
... ummmm I see the problem now.
The Spyderco knife you show on a website is a 'Para3' which is a locking knife.
The one you hold is the Spyderco 'Urban' which is a slip joint -non locking.
Maybe I'm suspicious minded...but if someone breaks into the BBB's home he's going to claim he was "opening parcels" at the time
Quality 🤣
He is very busy during the day, so was sitting up doing a quick youtube edit and decided to open a parcel he forgot about from earlier on that day. That sounds reasonable to me. Someone run at him as he was walking out of the kitchen with a cup of coffee and large knife about to be used to cut a scone!
There are loads of defences. The best I heard was for a man being caught in a shop with a knife and accused of attempt robbery. He had been "making a pie" and was cutting pastry up when he saw a friend walk past, he run out of his kitchen and over the road to see him going in to a shop and followed him in, completely forgetting about the knife he was holding.
The CCTV didn't match up with that version of events!
Not allowing locking knives is a public safety risk. An absolute joke
Just don't carry a knife, if you dont like non locking blades. If you have a legitimate reason to need a knife with a locking blade, you can legally carry one.
Diversity and it's many gifts.
I accidentally cut my finger to the bone once using a non locking blade.
Still dont like using them.
@@ziggarilloit’s just a tool. What’s your problem with them?
making a safety feature illegal is indeed moronic
I carry and use my Leatherman multi tool every day.. even used it at my mates wedding to fix one of the speakers, he didn't want me wearing it because it didn't go with the kilt🤷♂️
Those knife elements lock, technically against the law.
The irony is you could have had a Sgian-dubh dagger in your sock! One of the 3 exceptions in Sect 139 of the CJA 1988 is as part of a national costume. If you're wearing a kilt as part of traditional Scottish dress then you have an exception to the law.
@@Clembo Not all multitools have locking blades. I carry a Leatherman Kick. Totally street legal (confirmed by showing it to a number of police officers)
@@baldbeardyandbiking6686 Did you have to order this from the US?
@@pevebe no multi tool store uk
I carried a locking folder for the 10 years i lived in London.
Never had an issue.
I cut more cake and sausage rolls with it than anything else.
Just like most people would.
It's not the 'thing', it's the person wielding the thing that matters. But the idiot lawmakers deliberately don't want to hear that. Just like the spurious gun control arguments in the US.
I used to carry one for cutting up Apples (posh) but changed to a 3" folder when it became an instant criminal record!
…and you cut things with relative safety because it could lock.
I'll have to remember that. . . "Hmmmm. . .always carry a sausage roll. . ."
Conversely, I always carry a cake for defensive purposes. . .but not a sausage roll. That's a step too far!
I keep a multi-use Swiss Army knife in its leather case, in the toolkit section of my car. It is adapted by the manufacturer for one-handed use. (My left hand/arm is compromised due to injury). I also have an automatic knife with a glass-breaker at one end of the handle; this lives in the driver's door pocket and is in a leather case. The latter has a 5" blade and I had to prove necessity in order to have it in my car. The knife is of historic interest yet, I encounter no problem having, on occasion, a bootful of historic weapons, including firearms! (I am a collector in a small way)
I think you'd have loved the reaction from a lone copper when he saw a 4·5 foot long, ancient Executioner's sword on the rear seat...... Priceless!
Just wait until the eye of sauron turns to you
i had a swiss army knife as a kid but it didnt have a knife..think it was just called a swiss army ???
If you haven’t already, checkout leatherman free series, they’re designed to operate one handed.
Laws take away your freedom but if you break the law you go to jail, and loose your freedom, you loose freedom either way. Most of us don't need laws to control our behaviour and those that do don't care about laws.
Well said. Something about most brits though, they love to be governed. Love to be told what to do, how to do it, what’ll happen if they don’t do it as they’ve been told, and most importantly, what they cannot do, and again what’ll happen if they do do those things. It’s beyond me why people like rules and laws rather than freedom to choose, and it’s infuriating😡
@@AI-Records24 Why do you prefer the freedom to go out in public and stab people? I prefer the freedom to go out in public and not risk getting stabbed.
@@AI-Records24I'd say it's because we believe that the law is doing net good. In this case a limitation of freedom in exchange for safety. For example, we don't have the freedom to carry guns and as a benefit I've never once worried that someone is going to point a gun at me or a stray bullet might hit me in the crossfire. Different cultures have different reasonable views on things. If I was to go to America, my views would no longer be reasonable in that culture.
In fact you have more freedom in jail than outside, cause you don't have to pay taxes, rent and other stuff. You even get free education. But most prisoners are too lazy to see it.
@@AI-Records24 errrr no, most Brits are intensely annoyed by this type of thing.
I was giving expert evidence in the RCJ so offered my swiss army knife, with locking blade because I have the scar on one finger when a folding blade shut on me in a dark roof-space. Security took my knife - as I expected but told them, they'd better keep it accessible in case the Judge asked for it, to which the duty policeman scoffed. Well, the Judge did want it so a very disgruntled policeman had to come into the Court to produce it. At the end of the hearing, they refused to let me have my knife back so I wrote to the Superintendant at Saville Row demanding its return as a tool of my trade (a building surveyor). They sent it back by post.
As a kid I worked in a service station, under the counter was a hollow metal bar, i was told that the police had told them that having a handgrip on it would fall into an offensive weapon, a simple tool etc picked up to deter a criminal would be less problematic. Hence they had taken some grip tape off it.
You've got the Spyderco UK Penknife which is a non-locking knife with
I was recently pulled over in my motorhome. This was because of an issue with stolen motorhome in the area.
But whilst he did his checks ( enjoyed a coffee along with the officer)he went inside the rear and we sat around the table in comfort. He had noticed there were kitchen knives in the sink And a knife rack on the side attached to the wall however he pointed out these should be in a drawer and not within reach whilst driving which I could at that time.
Although it was within the area of what it was safe he pointed out it could be considered unsafe and should be in drawers not within easy reach whilst driving.
He didn’t do anything to take further but was making me aware.
Honestly just sounds like good advice, I wouldn't want pointy objects hanging around "loose" in the back of my car either.
I remember an urban legend that claimed a tissue box could become a deadly projectile in an accident, so a breadknife sat in a sink behind your head would presumably decapitate you and go on a 6 day crime spree through the local area.
The govt want you defenceless and reliant on the police. Criminals will not wait for the police to turn up to protect/defend you. The govt have made you an easy target and easy victim.
Got 3 blokes coming over fence to garden at 8p.m winter.
Do you think police ever arrived?
Why would they want that? Seems rather tinfoil hat
"When seconds matter, the police are minutes away."
... if they turn up at all. Some fuching GENIUS had the bright idea to dedicate quite a lot of police resource to watching tw@tter for people insulting each other.
@@FNG0000Call 999 and tell them to send an ambulance for them. Watch armed responce roll in ASAFP
Yet amazingly your more than twice as likely to be the victim of knife crime in the big country where your allowed to walk around with a gun than you are in the UK. Almost as if more weapons doesnt mean your less likely to be the victim of one, but thats an absurd notion
The law-abiding citizen is persecuted for carrying something as a means to defend themselves while the police and the criminals go around carrying whatever they like. Make it make sense.
Police and criminals you say?
Can anyone tell the difference i say.....
😊
It makes perfect sense if you accept certain truths about the world we live in. Though I suspect you'd see those truths as looney.
Constitutionally speaking, those Subjects who are Protestants are allowed to carry arms appropriate to their self-defence.
The ones who should be getting pilloried for carrying are the very ones who would get the luvvies crying racismus.
@@chrisfs150 easy. the criminals are the ones who do things, the police are the ones who don't.
1. Yes, only law abiding citizens suffer from this, since they're the only ones that are likely to carry a locking blade knife. Criminals all carry massive kitchen knives and machetes, so they don't care about small knives.
2. That being said, don't carry a knife with you for self defence unless you are trained to use it as such. If you're not, chances are you will get hurt. It's a bad idea. Don't do it.
They really do like to keep increasing the reasons for you needing weapons of self defense UP, while also ramping up the laws against them.
You can't have a revolution without stripping the loyalists of weapons.
its so bizarre that you aren't allowed to defend yourself and if you do you have to justify your own defence
Aye this country’s law for thats is pathetic total nanny state we live in
You could argue it’s frustrating that innocent people should have to justify their behaviour because of the actions of criminals. I’d agree with that, although I’d say: “that’s life” and from your early days in primary school you should be familiar with the idea of answering questions like that. But to say it’s “bizarre”, I’m not sure about that. As for the guy suggesting it’s a nanny state: hyperbole. In every society in the last 2000 years we have evidence of criminal behaviour affecting the liberties of the innocent.
Of course you are allowed to defend yourself, don't be ridiculous.
@@elkippy Yea you are but good luck trying to defend your self in court and if the criminal that was attacking you dies so how even for defence have fun fighting that in while in prison. Many cases in news about people defending them self end up in prison only small present get away with it.
@@giggity4670
"Many cases in news about people defending them self end up in prison..."
Then it has been proved that they did not use reasonable force.
A bottle could be an offensive weapon, or your fist if you know karate
Remember, even if a cop asks you ‘do you agree this knife could be used as an offensive weapon’ say ‘no.’ If he asks you what reason you are carrying it, say ‘because I’m legally entitled to.’
When he walks away, mutter "Yaah fuzz" in an insulting tone.
@@binkwillans5138 If you're carrying a knife in public and it is legal (as per Sect 139) then it is up to the police to prove you are committing a crime. If you agree a knife could be used as a weapon then you are one step closer to the officer arresting you. If asked, a knife is a tool, not a weapon.
@@baldbeardyandbiking6686 That's what I meant.
Saying "no" there just tags you as obstructive / suspicious. Obviously almost anything "could be used as an offensive weapon" if you have the motivation to do so.
'I don't answer questions without my solicitor present' is the only real answer to police questions.
Frustrating when cops lack the common sense for the "work" exemption or just looking to get their arrest numbers up? I know a chef who was arrested for carrying his knives from his car to work while dressed in his chef whites 🤦♂️
One of the questions in the interview was "Why don't you leave them at work?"
A "Because these cost me over £1000"
NFA but what a huge waste of time.
They joined the police for one reason and it wasn’t to help others
Cops....common sense? ....come on!
Its a defence, that means they can arrest you and charge you regardless. And probably KPIs yes.
This law really needs to stop, and police need to have repercussions for their behavior.
I don’t carry a knife but I do carry a wicked spoon and a pair of chopsticks …
Do you have a small rubber ball on the end of your chopsticks?
It would be an offence to carry the chopsticks for self-defence but you could sell tickets if it ever came to court.
@@vatsmith8759 He carries them on the offchance of coming across chinese food.
I carry a viscously sharp piece of fruit at all times.
@@knightowl3577 YA, that's great! Until you encounter a 16 ton weight... see what your banana does then.
There are also venue-specific, like football stadiums or knives in hand luggage on an plane, where security will confiscate the item, knife, scissors, metal nail file, often with no route to getting the item back.
Bemusingly, my daughter had left some scissors in my backpack after borrowing it to instruct a friend in bookbinding. Not knowing it was there, I took the pack to the Passport Office, where it was discovered and held on one side until I'd finished my business, at which point it was returned on leaving.
Government: To lower the crime rate, lets ban knives.
Sane people: I dont think criminals give a duck about laws in the first place.
What do you reckon your chances are in a knife fight? Blade vs blade. Think you're coming out of it alright?
Great video and very informative Daniel. I'd only add that many believe that it's only the sharpened blade that counts towards the length (erroneously) whereas it's the full length exposed from the grip. The Spyderco you have is a good example; the thumb choil would be included in overall blade length.
I have had the Dewalt knife in my pocket for as long as I can remember. I’m a tradesman, I cut cables, I run it around the edge of cable sheaths such as wf100, cat5e, cat6 etc… it’s such a handy tool, it’s never crossed my mind to do anything other than trim back cables! Sometimes I finish work and go to Tesco and it’s in my pocket. I never even thought about it! I only commented as I saw it in the thumbnail! Great video.
Same here, I have a small gerber brand utility knife in my wallet all the time alongside a tiny pair of pliers. If anyone ever questioned it I’d just bin the blade without hesitation. But I’ve never been asked. Unless I whipped it out in a fight I doubt I will, and I have no intention ever of doing that!
If the police stop you, i could do with some electrical work, you're on your way to mine. They can arrest you even if you are working as good reason is a defence only. Or, have a family member who knows you always might be coming round. I'm not sure but not answering them might be best in case you phrase yourself wrong/ fall for a language trap. It's a right pain.
How are multi-tools like the Leatherman classified? It has a blade that folds out and locks in place, as do all the other tools it contains except the pair of pliers. It's a two handed exercise to open or close them.
By the time you've removed it from it's snap lock leather case, unfolded just the blade you want and refolded the body to make a handle, your prospective antagonist has either already killed you or is in the next county.
Any fixed blade or any blade that locks is illegal to carry. Any blade with a cutting edge longer than 7.5 cm is illegal even if it doesn’t lock.
look into the leatherman bond, specifically made to be uk legal
A personal anecdote that I feel is somewhat relevant to this, I was crossing through Calais port to return home from a job in Paris (I do shopfitting) and customs pulled me for a random search, they confiscated my non-locking work knife (push out and hold) that I had lazily thrown in to the glovebox as it was considered a weapon while in the front of the van - they didn't care about the exact same one in my toolbox in the back of the van because that was considered a tool. So "it's just for work" still won't always work
Can you comment on the Opinel folding knife. when opening the blade, it does not automatically lock open however it is able to be locked when open for safe use?
Counts as a locking knife and therefore illegal to carry without good reason. Opinel #5 lacks the locking ring and is small enough to be legal carry in the UK
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” -karl marx
The enlightened path o7
Sikh here - the religious reason is for us. We're the only faith in the world religiously and legally allowed(in majority of countries) to carry swords/blades in public
What about a Scottish Skean Dhu?
@mungoh42 yes that's ceremonial not faith related.
In the UK there are only three types of soldiers legally allowed to carry bladed weapons in public. The King's soldiers (ceremonial), the Scottish soldiers (ceremonial) and the Sikh soldiers (Religious and practical means)
@@mungoh42allowed if worn as part of a national costume. I don't know if a kilt alone counts as national costume, or if you need the full head to toe getup.
What is the religious reason? I only ask to educate myself.
@@Jaccayumitty kilt alone should suffice provided there’s no underwear present.
My every day carry knife is Swiss Army Knife which meets the exemptions you mentioned. I have declared it going into the Scottish Parliament building it was taken off my and returned when I left. No problem with Eurostar check in although once it was removed and checked the blade was not locking and replaced. I've carried it for so long the scales are worn smooth and the logo worn away.
What about stanley knife blades when in a dispencer that they sometimes come in, this can be hidden very easily and when the blade is 3/4 way out it isn't locked as such but isn't foldable though with care you can push the blade back in, I ask because I have had these in my old manbag and forgotten about them a few times, is this classed as legal / illegal / within the law unless used to 'defend' and the laws that apply to that?
For safety when using that Spyderco knife make sure your fingers follow the grip shape of the knife with your forefinger over the hinge portion. Rather than having a locking mechanism this puts your finger as a blocker to it folding back on your fingers. As with all folding knives, don't try to use if too forcefully since the blade is on a pivot.
I'm sure this highly intelligent Barrister could figure that out himself on inspection
Even with folding knives, if used sensibly and carefully it will not fold when used. They are perfectly capable of handling forceful use too. On any even semi well designed folding knife (I haven’t seen any where this isn’t the case) applying pressure to the blade will essentially force the knife open, not closed.
There is no reason why a folding knife couldn’t handle as much force as a similar locking knife with pressure applied directly to the blade.
By "carried," does that mean anywhere on my person or in an over-the shoulder bag? I also have a less-than-3" blade multitool (screwdriver bits, pliers, etc) which I use at work and carry in my backpack/over the shoulder bag at all times because I don't change backpacks for work or going out to a coffee shop. Is that also considered illegal without "good reason" like you talked about?
I have two tools that have blades, one is a Letherman multi tool and the other is a cycling mini multi tool. The Letherman has two locking bladed around three inches one serrated with a hook at the point the one not which is stored in a lether case complete with tool accessories (screwdriver bits and the like), I don’t as a rule carry this. The cycling multi tool also has a carry case, has a locking blade around one inch and very sharp for trimming tubeless tyre puncture plugs, this I carried when ever I’m on my bike. So are these illegal/legal to carry? Both these tools could do a lot of damage in the wrong hands.
A friction folding knife doesn't have a locking mechanism, yet the blade can locked in place by your hand holding it. These are far safer than spring folding knives which have the potential to close over your fingers.
Also the Spyderco UKPK, the first one he shows, is designed in such a way that you can prevent it closing by holding your finger on the choil (the blunt metal part before the actual cutting edge). I have a slightly smaller one than the one he shows here, the Spyderco Urban.
This is tricky as nowhere in the legislation does it mention anything about locking mechanisms.
A trial court simply ruled that the definition of a folding knife is that it must be able to fold at any time. I know, this isn't how the adjective is used anywhere else, a folding chair is still a folding chair even if it can be locked in one position or another.
They specifically ruled that the danger of a knife blade closing on the hand is what made it legal. They were all ever so impressed with themselves, they acted like they had carefully avoided a loophole of people carrying folding knives with the blade permanently welded into the open position...
Yet that is not what anyone was found to have.
Tosh.
@@nickgood8166 I think the OP should have qualified his comment, you are actually right that 99% of friction folders do not lock into place by the hand. However there are some based on ancient medieval designs, such as the Svord Peasant Mini, which have an elongated tang, which means it will not close when in use. Some Higinokami knives have a similar tang.
@@Treblaine so it’s legal because it is more dangerous to the user and could close on your fingers?
By the sounds of things even just a single step back from welded would be legal, if you make the mechanism that stiff that it requires a lot of force to close and acts like a locking knife then it would be legal.
Thirty odd years ago, my father was coming home and got mixed up with a crowd of football fans (mid-week match) who were herded to one side after some trouble. They were all searched and my father was found to be carrying an 'open (cutthroat) razor'. He told the officer he was a barber, and proved it by partially shaving him in the back of a police van.
No charges were bought. He was taking it home to give it its weekly oilstone sharpening.
So the copper let the man he'd just arrested with an offensive weapon have the blade back and offered up his own throat to it? wow
@@CazSmith Absolutely... but different times.
Imagine a society where trust is so high a cop could trust a potential criminal not to be a murderer 😂
@@Daimo83 I can just imagine a copper accompanying an arrested suspect while letting him hold a cut throat razor to his neck while driving around in the back of a bumpy van.
@@CazSmith OK Mr Richard Head... Who said ANYTHING about the van moving? Or do you lie EVERY time you open your mouth?
Standard procedure for todays trolls. Society was different then, and it's sh1ts like you who've changed it.
Thanks Daniel, this is extremely useful information.
One thing I'm seeing debate about is the so-called "flipper tab" which has been argued to be necessary for some people to open safely as they can't open through other means - especially those who are disabled or who have nearly no viable fingernail to use on a nick-opening knife. The poster claimed that this was feedback from a regulator (not sure who that was, the implication was someone in law enforcement or with legislative involvement) and that it was a natural part of the blade's shape the same way the opening hole is on your Spyderco for one-handed opening.
Has there been any ruling or precedent on that specific issue of which you're aware?
I think the crime here is spending £150 on a nice knife, just to open parcels with it 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Short answer: Nothing is legal in the UK. Your right to be prepared for an emergency has been taken from you in the name of public safety; yet the public is far less safe than before.
Police are useless and more interested in people making jokes on the internet than armed robbery. We are so fucked.
Sounds like you need help.
As he said very clearly, you have good reason it’s perfectly legal.
Carry a knife for self defence is not good reason, since it implies you’re out looking for trouble.
Most criminals carry a knife for active self defence
@@chrisspencer6502 'Implies you're out looking for trouble'. How the Presumption of Innocence is being undermined. How about the implication that you wish protect you/your loved one to the best of your ability and to even up the odds in the case of a confrontation with villainy? More proof that The Law is an ass, esp in this the era post-Blair (who, let's be reminded, passed as many new laws during his tenure as had been passed since Magna Carta).
'The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws' - Tacitus
@@chrisspencer6502 And those who wield knives, the ones who care little for the law, how is one to defend themselves against? Twice i've been held at knifepoint, twice i was completely defenceless.
Spot on
Why are the police allowed to carry multitools ie leatherman its a locking blade and had mine confiscated i was going camping
because acab
You can carry a locking blade if you have a good reason, a police officer could give a good reason to carry a multi-tool with a locking blade.
@@ziggarillo a PC would give a 'good reason' to another PC when questioned. don't forget that
@@ziggarillo I mean, self-protection is a great reason.
You shouldn't have had yours confiscated if you were going camping!!! Definitely would be appealing that one.
So... if I have a Stanley knife in the toolbox in my van and I'm not going to work but on the way to visit a friend, is that regarded as an offence?
Good simple (or as simple as anything to do with the law can be) explanation - thank you
Richard Vobes who has been featured on BBB has just been banned from YT for 3 whole months due to one of is guests mentioned ‘something about something’ which of cause I had better not say.
Apparently there is no appeal for this ban.
YT censorship is still marching forwards. So do be careful BBB as to your guests.
@Nuts-Bolts
> Richard Vobes who has been featured on BBB has
> just been banned from YT for 3 whole months
That's a shame.
In that it should have been 3 whole years. Or 30.
@@anonnona8099
He's jumped on the ...
Every trail is a chemtrail.... band wagon.
So I agree 😂
@@anonnona8099Yeah shut down any topic of discussion that you don't like. Shame We can't vote for the Monarchy. I have no doubt you'd get straight in. Clearly you possess wisdom beyond that anybody else in the world can hope to wield.
Shame, it's entertaining watching how Vobes plays the game.
@anonnona8099 I wouldn't agree with banning someone just because they jumped on a belief bandwagon. All views should be heard, criticised, discussed, debated and figured out. To rally behind bans of certain people because you disagree with their point of view is authoritarian. That authoritarianism will eventually come back to bite you, because it won't be controlled by you.
*Edited to put correct handle in.
I love Opinels....but i can't leave home with it. You can buy them commonly on the continent but France has also tightened its laws recently.
My mom loves them too it actually has lasted forever. Good steel
The no 6 and 8 work well for me. I'm carrying them when I go hiking. Am willing to test whether they are legal for that purpose in court.
@@awatt they don’t automatically lock , you have to turn the end round to get them to lock . Super sharp nice pocket knives great for gardening , opening parcels etc
I can't leave home without my gatling gun. I never use it, of course.
I've had a No.09 for ~12 years now. Probably the best knife for under £20 and has never let me down. Meanwhile, this bloke has a £150 knife for "opening parcels" lmao
Thank you, excellent summary.
Please comment on the definition of 'blade'. I have been told it used to be taken as the length of the sharp edge on the knife but is now being interpreted as the full length of the bit sticking out of the handle. Is this so please?
UK law is just stupid. I can see why carrying a knife in public is illegal, but things like pepper spray for self defence?
Especially nowadays when you can see masked individuals roaming the city during the night. Just look at the amounts of robberies and stabbings, it's ridiculous, we are suppose to be like defenseless sheeps.
I'm working during night hours few minutes walk from home, but still I have to walk for 10-15 mins through the city before I arrive at home, the amount of times when I've seen actual thieves and thugs fully masked riding on their motorbikes or simply looking for "trouble" is crazy. It's literally like living in 3rd world country. I've seen idiots walking around with machetes and kitchen knifes, drug dealers driving up to you asking if you want to buy something... What happened to this country. Worst thing about that is police just don't care about it, they will drive by and act like it's normal night.
A £150 knife for opening parcels!! Really?
Rich ass bizzness init,what ussy as a knife to open a letter
I have a knife over 3 inches that attaches round my ankle in a sheath for diving/snorkelling purposes swimming in the sea If I put it on and take it off directly before and after I enter the water and then place it out of public view is that acceptable? I've not dared use it as I don't want to be going for a dive and people see I'm attaching a blade to myself and cause alarm. then if I come back from a dive/snorkel and I've put the blade in my bag to avoid any alarm, does that mean I have a concealed weapon? I would really appreciate your help on this as with all the fishlines/rope and old nets out there I would like to be able to carry it just in case I got tangled up in something.
You should definitely carry a fixed blade knife that is quickly and easily reachable with either hand while diving. People have died when unable to untangle themselves while under water. I sail single handed and I carry a fixed blade knife for the same reason.
@@Tsnafu Thanks, That would be the only reason I would have it on me for the purpose of safety, it's just other people that might not get that, and I wasn't to sure. I really appreciate the response. Thanks again. 😇
What size filleting knife is legal for fishing?
My EDC is a G19 with a red dot, extra mag, HFB knife, flashlight, and TQ
😂
Might have a difficult time explaining why you carry that in the UK.
AND... what is like to live in such fear of the world that you need to carry a pistol every day to feel secure?
I'm ex military ... Ive never found the need for a firearm outside of service... partly because the world is not really that dangerous and partly because I'm not an insecure pussy afraid of the world.
Cheers.
must be hell to live in the constant fear, isn't it?
@@victororlov1236 former 68W. And I’m not afraid of anything. Self defense is a human right. The world is a dangerous place. But keep up with the name calling. Your comments reek of jealousy.
@@UKRO404some sort of firearm with bells and whistles
As a metal detectorist I carry a knife several times a week.
The state can swivel on my middle finger.
As a metal detectorist, you would need to. Folks HATE these guys.
@@binkwillans5138 things seemed to have changed since the TV show
@@61shirley Things have not changed. At the end of a nice day on the beach, they're always out, looking for lost watches and jewellery. They do it quite openly.
Very interesting video . I use a range of knives for dressing game when im hunting and carry a leatherman Just to be safe as soon as im back at my vehicle i lock them in a metal box and put them in the boot because im pretty sure there are laws about being able to access them ?
Amazing timing having this in my recommended, went to a camping/outdoors store today to look for some shoes (they didnt have the ones i want) and stopped at the knives being sold looking at the victorinox. I was surprised at some of the knives they had for sale, i suppose they werent big but bigger than i thought they would sell.
A man near where I live was killed by a single punch to the head just the other day. I'm now expecting laws to be created to ban the carrying of hands in public. Everyone must at all time keep their hands securely encased in boxing gloves whilst out in public, for safety of course.
I hate the idea that the object is the problem. It's always the person.
It's frustrating the UK talks about banning guns as a solution to the US's violence problems while the US has the same situation with guns and knives as if banning weapons affects violent people who don't care about laws.
@@robertp457 that's what makes it so bad, gun crime in the uk still exists despite it being virtually impossible to even get a handgun. Criminals don't care about your laws, all banning things does is hurt good people.
@@Codysdabloads of guns come over on the dingies and in the trucks. Plus you can get them from northern ireland.
I am 51. My dad carried a knife, so I carry a knife.
Same with my dad. Maybe they were both in the same gang?
So, If your dad was bisexual, would you be bisexual?
@@lennonpolo Only if he let your dad give him a blowjob.
Were you that scared of him?
@@lennonpolo What a silly false equivalency. I bet there's a multitude of behaviours you've adopted from your father, like everyone has.
It's gets even more fun with bladed articles that have an assisted opening feature such as a stud or hole that permit one handed operation.
I am in construction and always have a utility knife in my work trousers along with a few other devices/tools I use regularly. Would you say that would be a good enough reason if I was stopped by the police on my way home?
It's a defence, that means they can charge you even with good reason. Its a real pain. Hope the police that stop you like you and don't need to meet their KPIs this month.
I know the law and have chosen to ignore it.
I have a 5cm folding lock knife on my keys. I use it a dozen times a day and am not prepared to use a non locker.
It’s the smallest one I’ve ever carried, but have had a locking pocket knife on me for 40years now.
This law is illogical. A locking blade is a safety feature. I can buy a fixed blade which is much bigger, and I have some REALLY dangerous garden tools with motorised blades. And when I was at school EVERY boy had a pocket knife which they took to school. There we played games with them, made swanee whistles and all sorts. NOBODY got stabbed. NOBODY in my schools, NOBODY on the buses, NOBODY in the Boy Scouts, NOBODY in the towns I lived in. And from the age of 14 I went shooting every other weekend, and most of my friends had air-guns that had been in their families since the days when pubs had rifle ranges (yes, they did). NOBODY died!
Now we have these prohibitions, powers and punishments - and massive knife and gun crime problems. If correlation is not causation, it is a sign of policy failure.
Browns came in, thats the difference
This is what happens when 1) we pay generous amounts to those who make policy/legislation with no limits and 2) import the 3rd world
The real problem is drugs.
What about the Stanley fatmax knife it folds but after realising it but the blade is always away folded or not and only is up on apon you using a slider like the dewalt knife you showed in the video?
Yeah, still illegal. I used to own a cheapo knockoff version of the fatmax, and carried it with me for a good couple of months until someone pointed out that it was falling foul of the legislation.
Is the three inches from the hinge or tang ? I carry a swiss army knife , i wear callipers and use them alongside loctite and spares in case of failure .
The actual sharp blade has to be under 3 inches.
As member of The Church of the Holy Singularity that requires you to always be prepared my locking folding knife and fixed blade knife are religious knives and should always be carried.
Amen
Is that 'Holy' or 'Holey'?
@@aesopstortoise Take cover, Carmine. I don't want you getting religious out there.
just carry a bit of 2x4 around. surprising light and easy to swing, good reach and sturdy. If the police ask: On my way to a building site.
A walking stick is probably safer. Anyway don't carry a knife for self defence, it's a very bad idea to stab someone even in self defence as you are very likely to go to jail.
2' I bar spirit level!
@@UberFoX You are very unlikely to be attacked on the street by a gunman.
Most armed attackers use knives, occasionally blunt weapons. You want something with superior reach. & legal.
4x2 in the UK.
When choosing an edc folding knife, it is best to choose a design such as the spyderco shown, which incorporates a finger choil that helps prevent the knife closing on your fingers. Another good design for use in the UK is the twisted assisted Junzi.
Boker Plus XS is very nice as well, as it has that little finger shelf, and it's a fair bit cheaper to boot.
@allenkennedy99 The Bpker plus xs is a good knife, and within the UK friendly category. The whole blade is a little bit bigger with a cutting edge within limits, but this may take some explaining to a police officer not fully aware of uk knife law.
Thank you for this important information
It's appreciated
I'VE CARRIED A PEN KNIFE SINCE I WAS 5 AND I. NEARLY 60 I'VE GOT A SWISS ARMY KNIFE THAT GOES EVERY WHERE WITH ME VERY USEFUL TOOL
See if you can use it to unstick your caps lock key
@@Tsnafu lol
No need to shout
@@Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood IM A BIT DEAF
@@2tone209 I don't see what that has to do with your typing.
You have no right to defend yourself from being a victim of crime. Hence why crime is out of control.
Yes you do.
@@solaris8592in practice, you don't
@@dav6131
In practice you do.
There's many court cases where self defence has been deemed... self defence.
@UK-Blue I think that most people don't have a lot of confidence in the law that they would be safe from prosecution if they defended themselves in some kind of physical altercation. It would be helpful to get somekind of a general, but accurate breakdown of results of cases of self-defense of this nature.
I have never understood why for example, people don't have complete immunity from prosecution for defence in a situation that involves aggravated home burglary or similar.
@@UK-Blue It's too vague. This is true everywhere. If Kyle Rittenhouse hadn't become world famous, he would have been thrown in a gulag.
would I am a fishing lake bailiff and potentially have to untangle the ducks from fishing line wrapping around them a valid reason? basically protecting the wildlife?
As someone to go through it having been stopped after work as a stage tech..... I was told by the courts that as it was not my main job it wasn't valid reason. My solicitor and barrister also said that you can get done even for a butterknife in a purse or rucksack no brandishing etc required.
Narwhal tusk? 🙄
The Narwhal tusk incident has taken on something of a legendary status. However, in that incident, tusk was on display on the wall when as the incident developed and was taken in the heat of the moment. There was no intention to use it as a weapon beforehand.
The UK citizen has about as much rights as the North Korean citizen when it comes to self defense... Any government that requires its citizens to render themselves defense less is criminal by definition.
I live in Scotland. I went to college years ago with a friend of mine. I did sport, but he was learning woodworking. The police stopped us one day, he had a screwdriver in his pocket, and he was charged for carrying a dangerous weapon. I never kept in contact with him after the college but I have always wondered if that charged negatively affected the rest of his life. Every time you have a job interview that would come up would it not?
Is there a definition of what the length of a blade is?
I always assumed (yeah, I know) that it was the length from the start of the sharpened edge to the tip, but I have a vague feeling that I read that some police forces, or some court case, defined it as the length from the pivot point, or even the entire length of the bit of steel you'd have if you dismantled the thing?
Its undefined. So you're right, arbitrarily decided. Also, someone was convicted for a butterknife with no edge, so...
Against the law to use a locking knife that is legal to carry to the fishing lake and legal to use but is illegal to use for self defense. Does that include when fishing? My God, the insanity of being forbid the right to the most effective self defense available at the time and place. Forced victim hood.
Illegal to CARRY for self defence. Not illegal to USE for self defence.
In both instances it would be an offensive weapon, but only the latter can be justified.
@@UKRO404that’s why you use pepper spray if you have no experience in martial arts or have a disability, or are female.
The Right To Bear Arms was taken away (illegally?) from British citizens as it was deemed that the police would defend crimes against the person and property with the Government protecting our borders and shores.
Both parties have failed spectacularly, so they have reneged on their contract with the peoples of these isles.
There is no such thing as "The right to bear arms". Thats just something slave owners invented on stolen land in order to keep slaves from escaping or revolting.
Christ what a rediculous comment. The right was taken away in 1689 and had nothing to do with the police as they did not exist. It was a bigoted bill to stop catholics from owning weapons. England is world famous for its bigotry which is still true today, as your comment proves
I always carry a bundle of handtools for leatherwork, sewing and whittling with me. Some blades are only about a quarter of an inch long, some are well longer than 3 inches. And they all either lock or are rigid/don't fold at all. The way they are bundled, I couldn't use them for defense unless I happen to have the bundle unrolled and am using the tools already when a situation arrises.
I also always have a set of travel cuttlery with me, which includes spoon, fork, steak knife (non-folding and longer than 3 inch) and chopsticks.
The only daily carry item that is sufficiently reachable to be used in a sudden unexpected emergency situation are my gymnastic dumbells. Not that I would have to quickly pull them out in an emergency while walking, since I'd already be holding them. When I am not walking, they are in my jacket pockets. That is their purpose, to add weight to your arms to increase muscle and energy exertion while walking, increase the exercise value of walking. Goes well with the weighted ankle and wrist cuffs. They are small enough to fit in my fist without any risk of object touching attacker, but they harden my grip, thereby reducing the risk of hurting myself when punching something. That is why self-defense classes teach you to hold a lighter or your key ring in your fist.
At the end of the day, when anybody attacks me, the attacker will be able to sue the government for breach of guaranty that their vicitm will be defenseless.
They'll charge you even locked in your car or inaccessible. Seizure like that would meet their KPIs
What about if its under 3 inches and you remove the locking part so making it a folding knife would it be leagal
What will the police do if the pencil in your pocket is too sharp !?!
Exactly the same as carrying a small non-locking penknife. That is; Absolutely nothing, unless in either case you're stupid enough to tell them that you carry it for self-defence.
Because it's illegal to carry a weapon. Any object that you can normally carry quite legally becomes illegal if the purpose of carrying it is to cause harm to anyone else. No matter what it is, if it's capable of causing harm and you're carrying it to use as a weapon, then a weapon is what it is.
They may say, while addressing you in a friendly, chatty manner: “That’s very handy in case anyone attacks you, isn’t it?“. You reply “Yes” even though the thought has never crossed your mind. “It’s dangerous around here, isn’t it?” “Yes”. “You carry it to defend yourself, just in case, I assume?” “Yes”. That’s it - you’re nicked.
If you were to tell them that you carry the sharp pencil to defend yourself then it will be treated as an offensive weapon. No joke 😂
Tell them you use it to attack people and rob them. You're from Newcastle, right? The police will understand.
@misterg1157 word games IQ test.
After the knife rules you would think at least non lethal tools would be allowed. But pepper sprays, stun guns, tazers, no. Just rape alarms.
Can't even carry a torch that has a distracting flash option as it may cause your assailant eye problem in a mythical future!
It's also great when you cover stuff like that.
Could you do a video to clarify the carrying of tools, such as screwdrivers or a hammer?
at this point being a roadman is the national costume
Many things you can carry ,don't say its for protection. Would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I see what you did there😉
@@robertlane913 Good , maybe use it yourself.
Be strong.