Excited for this… not because I can afford a Lucid, but because it will push the rest of the EV industry forward. Congrats on the exclusive!! As a Mechanical Engineer, I appreciate how thorough and methodical you are in your videos.
Maybe you can answer this.. You seem to have the expertise... 67Kwh @ 50% is a direct correlation to 134 @ 100% I would have expected the bottom half of the charge to be less efficient than the top half?.... then average losses through the charge.... seems odd. Just saw 60% @ 80kw.... 😳 no curve... it extrapolated to 133 mathematically.... % @ power is a straight line? Shouldn't we see more power used at the bottom half when charge rates are higher? I'd like to see that graph and then a comparison between tycan and s
In my mind, Tom is the most trusted EV journalist. Allowing him to DC fast charge adds so much credibility to Lucid vehicles. I'm so excited for the company now, breaking records left and right with their first production EV.
Tom did a good job, no doubt... The Lucid charged to100; 200 mileposts of range faster than any EV has to date. All true. Your post has the feel of one of those fake, paid-for Amazon reviews. Odds are, you work for Lucid or on their behalf. Lucid has curated the access and public image of the Air to such a high degree, including fake posts like your comment - it taints the truth or even tarnishes the facts. Maybe the Air is the finest EV ever made. Maybe its super fantastic. Maybe. In the end, the PR will fade and the car will speak for itself. Its early days and most or all Lucids out in the world belong to employees or major stakeholders. I get it, there's a lot of money at stake. In the end, the car and company will rise or fall based on its merits, not hype from well coordinated efforts to control media exposure.
@@jmel1746 My comments are genuine and you’re a bit narrow-minded for making such an assumption. I’ve commented on InsideEVs US Friday morning podcast most times in the past several episodes this is my first comment on Lucid Air. I’m tired of EV companies being disingenuous to the public. I.e. Tesla range never meeting their EPA range unlike every other EV company, Rivian touting Tank Turn knowing that it wouldn’t be an option at launch. I don’t think I need to go into Nikola Motors or Lordstown Motors. It’s a breath of fresh air seeing a new company meeting expectations and I trust Tom’s review, it’s as simple as that. I have a MachE premium which will turn into a Mach E GT next month, a BMW X5 plug in hybrid xDrive45e, and a Ram 1500. I have no stake in Lucid Motors. BTW, if I was to make assumptions as you have, I would guess you’re a Tesla fanboy.
*Note: I made a mistake in the video @12:45 in the video when I said the Taycan took 23 minutes to add 50 kWh - it actually only took 12 minutes. The problem is I have done 0-100% recordings of the Taycan on both 150 kW and 350 kW charging stations. I looked at the 150 kW station recording instead of the 350 kW station recording by mistake and that's why I said 23 minutes. The real-time is 12 minutes on a 350 kW charging station- My thanks to the followers that pointed that out in the comments below.
Ok, you initiated the charging session at 9:32 AM. At 9:52 AM you were at 34% (half the size of a Tesla Mode S battery) and you claimed that is 11 minutes. 52-32=? 11? 50% at 9:58 AM You claim 16 min 28 sec. Actual: 26 min. The Tesla Model S does it in 15 minutes. 80% at 10:19 AM You Claim 37 min. Actual: 47. 100% at 11:03 AM You claim it took 1h and 20 min. From 9:32 AM to 11:03 AM you have 91 min. That's 1h and 30 min. You are 10 minutes late. That was probably time wasted on initiating the charge. Lucid should better start building their own charging network so their customers won't have to wait 10 minutes or more for payment processing before their car begins to charge.
@@travelwithtesla It only took a few seconds to initiate. I needed to move the camera that I was using to record me talking to in front of the station so I would have 2 there for redundancy, so I stopped the charging and started the session once the camera was in place. The charging session begins at 9:41 and reaches 50 kWh delivered at 9:52 - 11 minutes later as stated on the EA screen. But... You are right about Tesla Superchargers initializing faster than any other charging station (I own a Tesla and use them all the time), However, it's not 10 minutes faster, it's more like 25 to 30 seconds faster.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Then I don't understand. How do you count 11 minutes between 9:32 AM and 9:42AM? That's 20 minutes. The Air charged 50kWh in 20 min. Slower than the Model S.
So impressive. Think 5 years back. These numbers was unheard of. This car with the mega impressive range and this mega impressive charging curve. This is the new canonball winner. Long drives with little time, this is your car of choice. Let it charge for 11 min and you can drive almost 250 miles. Bravo 👏🏻
@@monsterous289 That’s not accounting for thermal losses. Pumping 300kW into a battery generates a lot of heat and the AC compressor and cooling system use energy to deal with that
@@monsterous289 X2, no way Lucid is that much more efficient than Tesla in the motor department. ONLY a BIGG(ER) battery will give you 500+ miles. Someone's not telling the truth about battery size.
@@monsterous289 No it's not. Tesla's own EPA filings show the Model S requires 113.344 kWh to recharge a 100 kWh battery pack. That's 13.3% charging losses, almost exactly what the Air experienced in my test. The problem is, some people use the data on the in-car screen, and Tesla doesn't include the charging losses in that, only what the battery takes in so it looks like Teslas somehow circumvent physics and have zero charging losses.
@@monsterous289 Where did you get 141kWh? Also, the Dream Editions are listed to have 118kWh packs, while the GT are to have 112kWh packs. In Lucid's EPA certification report, the recharge event was approximately 137kWh. Compare that with Tesla Model S Plaid's EPA certification report, it's recharge event was approximately 116kWh in that testing. Both results in a consistent energy loss of a bit less than 14%.
Yeah thats what i finally got through to my best friend who has been fighting the thought of owning a ev because he thought he would be stuck somewhere all day charging. Im like after a few hundred miles , the time youll want to get out and stretch your legs youll have ebough chatge to go again.
The most useful point might be that if (if!) it hits that 500 mile range target, you get a total of 700 miles road trip range with only 13 minutes of on road charge time. (10 hours at an average of 70) So much for range anxiety.
Excellent point! 700 miles is already a very long road trip day. I could see stopping more often to coincide with pit stops and coffee breaks and there would be virtually no additional wait time that wasn't shadowed by the human needs of a road trip.
@@karlbloss I've said for..... well, years now, if the car Out-ranges the occupants, then charges sufficiently while they "fill" and "empty" (😉) sufficiently to repeat, you don't NEED any more range. This goes way beyond that. As Robert Llewellyn puts it, "miles per bladder" is the limiting factor.
Just outstanding analysis Tom! Your depth of understanding and ability to clearly explain the nuances of EV charging is why I point people to your channel.
@Tom, This was a wonderful video. Yes, the _Air_ is a beast, but you did so well at describing how people charge in the real world. With so many people just now considering their first EV it really matters that we get that information out there. Congratulations on being the first. It shows the respect you have earned in the industry.
As usual, the best charging rate reviews. 👍🏼 Makes you wonder if they could further speed up the charging with better battery cooling equipment, or if the charge rate is inevitably going to slow as the charge controller shifts from constant-current mode to constant-voltage mode due to the inherent battery chemistry of Li-ion cells.
According to Google Los Angeles to Los Vegas is 270 miles. So you literally have enough Range to drive from la to vegas and back in one full charge. That's kinda Insane!
Tom, great 👍 content .. don’t worry about people that don’t know what they are talking about ... I have done many DC fast charging from 0% to 90% and 100%, I have also done 0% to 90% and 100% on AC level 2 on the same vehicle and see a ton less lost but very close to the usable battery capacity.. on DC it’s aways much higher.. so it’s not the battery pack size it’s just the higher lost when using HPDC vs AC .. Anyways .. on to something more real ..why did you say 20 to 80% is the norm in test? Just about all test I see is normally about 10-80% .. why not do 10-80% calculation? 20% is a bit high .. normally many people pull in within 5-15% at a charging station.. 20% is really way too high ..
Inside EVs you guys are doing great work and showing exactly what this beast of a car is capable of. Don’t let Warren redlicker and his fellow redlicker fan base tell you otherwise. Good journalism require integrity and honesty. Let’s go Lucid! #lucidnaire
Thanks Tom for the video! I've been reading through the comments/concerns re. battery pack size. Please save yourself some time and some energy replying and arguing with some of folks here. Time will tell. Really look forward to your next video testing the range on Lucid as my family and I weighing on the options to buy our first EV in the near future.
video of the year i must say! this took alot of time and effort on one of the most highly anticipated vehicles in the market right now! and it looks like you were by yourself! great work
This is facts b/c 300 miles in 22 mins is incredible. Like for example the caddy lyriq is already outdated with max 190kw ~300 range and that is not coming till 23 @ this price point.
That's fast! Cool that someone finally challenges the Germans in the charging department. Although the two year old Taycan/e-tron GT uses only two minutes more (17 minutes) to pull 62 kWh. That's a 70% charge with the considerably smaller battery.. The Porsche/Audi actually uses two minutes _less_ to reach it's half charge, so I don't expect Lucid to have the lead for long. If it is a lead.
Tom, good job! But why is the 134 kw/h due to supposedly charging inefficiencies and believing what Lucid claim regarding battery size instead of questioning why the EPA document shows a 138 kw battery size (what a coincidence!) for the 520 miles of range instead of the 118 KW pack size they claim? Why nobody is questioning Lucid about this discrepancy with the EPA document?
I am stunned there are currently 97 dislikes on this video. Are a majority of these from viewers who: a) dislike review; b) dislike Tom; c) dislike Lucid; or d) something else- please describe. Wish I could give video a hundred likes.
I'm invested in Lucid and it's great to see the quality of their vehicles. I hope once they start doing mass production the quality continues. I don't have much money but I believe in their product and maybe that will allow me to afford one of their less expensive products they plan for in the future.
I like the way Lucid is doing their marketing and PR. This not only shows their confidence in their product, but also, if anything was off, it gives your engineers another metric to analyze. It shows the type of company Lucid wants to be, versus its more arrogant Cali based competition. I also like the fact that this car seems ready for the mainstream right "out of the box" and is operating as promised. I hope the big three's EV's are this refined. It should make people comfortable with EV adoption going further.
I've been waiting for this review. Well done and presented. I like your take on distance over time. It will make for easy comparisons and makes sense for most people.
Great work Tom! This is actually pretty amazing. This is not that far off from filling up a tank of Gas. Hopefully Tesla can improve on their end as well.
I don't know why so many people start speculating about the battery pack size. If Lucid Motors had anything to hide why would they let someone do the test without any interference? When you lie you keep to it as long as possible so in the end when the consumers realize how great of a product they received, they are not so concerned about the "small white lie". I think this could actually be intentional on Lucid Motors' side because the know the keyboard warriors will jump on it ASAP and what they need at the moment is people talking about them. There is not such a thing as "bad press", especially if you have nothing to hide.
guess the analogy is like air pressure. easy to put lots of air in when the tank is empty. then it takes more effort to cram more in. higher the pressure and volume, the higher the heat created that must be dealt with. i think your right about the cooling system for the battery using up some of those losses. probably a good percentage to hold those rates of charge. be interesting to see the losses on a slow overnight a/c charge.
This car looks like a good candidate to beat the Cannonball Run EV record. The super charge rate and exceptional acceleration rate makes it a good bet. If only E.A. could speed up the Plug & Charge authorization timing.
I prefer a Lucid style, sloping charge-rate-curve if I have a dense, reliable charging network where arriving with 3% remaining is not really risky. I'd prefer an e-tron style, flat charge-rate-curve otherwise. (The plugging in at 20% charge curve would indeed be interesting, Tom.)
@@mattbrew11 not sure what you mean by that comment. We're living in a 3 bedroom house in Melbourne Australia. We use so little power from the grid because we have solar panels on our roof.
Very well presented and explained. A lot of thought and preparation went into this episode. Thanks and thanks for explaining Lucid’s attitude in insisting you go out and test it by yourself. Sign of confidence.. for sure. 👍 Love your charts!! Never seen it explained so clearly. I subscribed 😉
Tom, I follow you on several channels. I enjoy your honesty and freshness. Glad you got this chance of testing the charging curve of the Lucid Air. It takes dedication and a belief in what you are sharing to be good and you have done well. Thanks for your review. It was informative and impressive. Interesting on Inside EV you said Lucid was monitoring the charging as you were. Is this a common practice that you can be monitored by a car manufacturer while charging. This would not make me comfortable. Your feelings?
OEMs do often remotely monitor press loan cars. But this was a special case. They are a new company with a car that they have only delivered to about 100 or so customers, and we were doing a charging test that they have never allowed anyone outside the company to do before. I asked them to monitor in case there was a charging issue. I would then know if it was on the side of the car, or if the charging station had an issue. I wasn't confident that the Electrify America station would work as well as it did. I've never seen one deliver 300+ kW to an EV before, so iI was concerned that it may overheat the station and reduce the charging rate. If it did that, I wouldn't know if it was the car throttling back the power or the station.
Everyone forgets, from lucid: The motors motor, inverter, transmission, and differential have all been combined into a single unit, with each of the two units weighing just 163 pounds. And it produces over 600 hp each. That is ridiculous, this is not a fraud company. Do some research most tech is made in house with lucid patents. Rawlinson prides his company on efficiency and tests like this prove it.
Thanks for sharing this. Seems nearly the same as tesla's. My spark ev? 0-80 in around 20 mins and 0-100 in 30.... They could have done this with taycan as stated with "mission-e" oh well.
Tom, thanks for this fascinating test. No one does EV charging tests better than you. Keep those graphs coming as we engineers love them. I’m not sure if we learn more from the video or the comment section.
Since I charge my EV in my garage overnight, I don’t know, or care, how fast it charges. I found that on the road it charges about the amount of time it takes to use the bathroom and get a snack or less than having lunch. Range anxiety is what ICE journalist worry about, not EV drivers.
Well at least Tesla is in the close neighborhood with the Plaid. It will be interesting to see what GMs Ultium battery will do. I don't expect it to be in the Lucid, Tesla, Porsche territory.
Great video. Saw the car in person yesterday and it’s a great looking vehicle. DC fast charging should not be used all the time as it’s really hard on the battery. It will degrade the battery capacity over time reducing range. It would also be nice to know what the cost is. You may get charging for free for the first three years but after that people will have to pay. Most people will have their vehicle for 7 years. In California peak rates at public stations is .48 cents per kWh. So you’ll have to take .48 cents times the number of hours plus tax to know what it will cost when free charging runs out. .48 x 134 kWh = $64.32 then you have to add sales tax to that. I own a Tesla so I know what the rates are in California. It may be cheaper in other states but you better know the rate before charging the vehicle when free charging runs out.
@Jimmy Edward I’m not an expert on ev battery but my model s and my sons model 3 both requires about 10% more to get to 100% and takes me about 1.5 hours to charge my car to 100% but only around 350 miles as oppose to 520 for lucid.
One of the hardest parts is finding a route near Lucid HQ that I know I can drive 70 mph and not get stuck in traffic and not go over at hills or mountains.
Tom, we want to see some real performance specs. Drive it like you stole it. They’ve been out a month and crickets on performance. The interior of that car is gorgeous. Curious on how it compares to Lyriq?
What do you mean by "They've been out a month"? According to their website: "Your fully refundable reservation for a Lucid Air will secure your place in line when deliveries begin."
Thanks for doing this. It shows that regardless of what capacity the battery is stated to have, it takes 134kwh to obtain a full charge. That’s the true efficiency metric. Like an ICE vehicle, where mpg is based on how much fuel you have to buy to fill it. Nothing else matters.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I guess that would be good to know, but imagine an ICE vehicle claiming 50 mpg because it can go 500 miles on a full tank with 10 gallon capacity, then it takes 12 gallons to fill the tank. EV efficiency ratings need to be calculated based on miles per kwh IN.
@@bspencersf Most EV charging is done using AC trickle charging rather than DC fast charging so we would need to low what the efficiency/losses are from different charging rates for comparison purposes.
Great video 😃 How did you manage to get the car SOC to 0%? In your timelapce i saw 2% but was wondering how would you even get the car to 0% and what happens to car at 0%? Does it just piggy back on the low power system to keep the computers running?
Thanks Tom. Was so excited to see this and you delivered! It's a shame manufacturers are trying to game the peak charge rate (ALL of them!). Most people won't charge from 0% most of the time. Reasonably you would charge from the 10% to 30% range. So keeping a STEADY rate of say 175 kw from 0-80% at that rate would be more practical since that is what most people will experience. You would plug in at 20% and run at 175 kw all the way to 80% and that would give you the ability also to almost exactly calculate when your session will end. The higher start up rate I guess is favorable for people who just want a quick hit or only charge for a very short time (like 5-10 mins). Charging at a lower sustained rate though should also be better for the battery. I wish you could have a choice when plugging in.
All of this charge curve talk is infuriating to me because people think that peak kW is all hype but in reality it is literally the quickest way to charge. Vehicles with "better" charging curves are snake oil because those vehicles hide away a significantly larger top buffer to make it seem as though you are taking more kW at a higher state of charge but in reality you are at a lower state of charge and don't have access to your full charge of the pack in exchange for a pretty graph that does nothing for you.
I calculate that the heat / charging loss was 12% so this is not that big a deal, based on 118KWH battery, charger total delivered 134KWH 134 x 0.12=~16.08KWH loss
200 miles added in 12 minutes - perfect I’ll stop in three hours anyway be it food or toilet. Timed one of my fill ups and the petrol station was quiet but from parked at the station it took eight minutes to fill, walk in and pay it and walk back out and sit in the car again but this was a nearly empty to full before a road trip and it did add around 350 miles to the tank. But at 12 minutes to add a few hundred miles brilliant. 👍 Thing is I then drove out and sat for another ten minutes eating the sandwich I bought after parking about a mile away with a castle for a view. A66 road in the U.K. 😂
Thanks for the video Tom. The more videos like this makes me glad that I invested in Lucid, even though their first cars are in a luxury category that is far outside of my price range. I'm glad that they are delivering on their promises. The more EV companies that succeed, the more people who will buy superior EVs that improve their quality of living. I hope Lucid continues to maintain their high quality as they move into more high-volume production of lower-cost EVs in the coming years.
So more than 134 kwh battery pack not 118 kwh, Lucid are not being completely honest. Keep in mind the loses are based on DC current not AC. The tesla loss comparison as per EPA is on AC current which will have higher loses . LUCID loses are DC current which shows the pack is bigger than 118 kwh, if you count the buffer below zero and 100 the pack is close to 138kwh or more
That's not how EV charging works. I've charged just about every EV sold today, and they all have at least 10% charging losses. Tesla's EPA documents show that the Model S needs 116.3 kWH to fill a 100 kWh battery. That's 16.3% losses. Why are you so surprised about charging losses on the Air?
The loses on tesla are based on AC current not DC, As you know AC loses will be higher so your comparison is a distraction to spread the LUCID lies. I just dont trust lucid. They claim to be very efficient. In my opinion you have to defend them to be invited for future content
I'm guessing the battery pack is actually larger than what Lucid states, and they're using almost 100% of that pack to get the range they claim. I'll be interested to see the 70mph range test, and charging the vehicle on 150kwh DC fast charger to see if it takes in close to the same 134kwh.
I’m just wondering why Lucid does not list the weight of the vehicle on their website. They list the width, length, height and wheelbase, but not the weight. Wikipedia lists the weight, but apparently, that was obtained from a review, not from Lucid. From what is listed in Wikipedia the Lucid weighs about 500 lbs more than a Tesla Model S Plaid. Where does that additional weight come from? Are the Lucid body panels made from steel?
The decision to charge faster and have a linear drop off would seem to be advantageous for normally occurring shorter charges, however I do wonder what the curve would look like on a 150 instead of a 350 on a long charge (20-80). Would eliminating that initial burst pay for itself over time and also reduce battery wear from heat? I was surprised to hear that people wouldn't run the car below 20%. That's 100 miles of range remaining. Most ICE cars don't put on a fuel warning light until 50 miles. On a recent trip we were comfortable planning for 10% at our destination which provided faster recharges as well. This was in a vehicle where 10% was probably less than 20 miles. I also really liked seeing plug and charge work and how quickly it worked. It was a real treat on Thanksgiving weekend when Electrify America was giving away electrons not to have to pull out the phone and make the taps and swipes necessary to start charging. The painted charging rates were a really nice touch. I think that as we get more ev drivers we are going to have to do more work to keep the few remaining CHAdeMO plugs and 350 spots open for those who need them. Having some consistency in terminology, iconography and coloring across the industry might help.
Beautiful car. I hope they can survive the ramp up to scale. At this pricepoint the market is limited but if they can get the structure in place then perhaps it will translate into other models at a premium...yet more attainable price.
I liked seeing the charging dialog and how fast it added miles so quickly. However, you didn’t show or mention how much it cost to add that much range. With wasted heat energy for charging so fast and EA electricity rates I’m wondering if the EV vs ICE benefit perhaps isn’t so great here in this case. Probably shows the best practice to not charge past 80% anyway.
@@monsterous289 Porche and E-tron also show losses of about 10%, its a thing with fast charging. The 99% figure seems to be a tesla figure which is unprovable because tesla chargers do not tell you how much its giving your car, telsa just shows what goes into the battery and of course that will be 99%+ and that would be the same for ALL cars if they just showed what was put into the battery
Thanks! very intersting! But one basic question. When you are showing the details of the charging session is that the EA screen or the in-car screen? And if is EA, what does in-car screen show?
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Excited for this… not because I can afford a Lucid, but because it will push the rest of the EV industry forward. Congrats on the exclusive!! As a Mechanical Engineer, I appreciate how thorough and methodical you are in your videos.
900 Volt system should be standard now
@@kulaengineering yes, can't the 900 go down to 350 ?
And can't the 350 updated ?
Maybe you can answer this.. You seem to have the expertise... 67Kwh @ 50% is a direct correlation to 134 @ 100% I would have expected the bottom half of the charge to be less efficient than the top half?.... then average losses through the charge.... seems odd. Just saw 60% @ 80kw.... 😳 no curve... it extrapolated to 133 mathematically.... % @ power is a straight line? Shouldn't we see more power used at the bottom half when charge rates are higher? I'd like to see that graph and then a comparison between tycan and s
The more affordable version will release sometime next year….if you consider 70k affordable.
@@ronaldnixon4689 “released” meaning… ???
In my mind, Tom is the most trusted EV journalist. Allowing him to DC fast charge adds so much credibility to Lucid vehicles. I'm so excited for the company now, breaking records left and right with their first production EV.
Tom did a good job, no doubt... The Lucid charged to100; 200 mileposts of range faster than any EV has to date. All true.
Your post has the feel of one of those fake, paid-for Amazon reviews. Odds are, you work for Lucid or on their behalf.
Lucid has curated the access and public image of the Air to such a high degree, including fake posts like your comment - it taints the truth or even tarnishes the facts. Maybe the Air is the finest EV ever made. Maybe its super fantastic. Maybe.
In the end, the PR will fade and the car will speak for itself. Its early days and most or all Lucids out in the world belong to employees or major stakeholders. I get it, there's a lot of money at stake. In the end, the car and company will rise or fall based on its merits, not hype from well coordinated efforts to control media exposure.
@@jmel1746 My comments are genuine and you’re a bit narrow-minded for making such an assumption. I’ve commented on InsideEVs US Friday morning podcast most times in the past several episodes this is my first comment on Lucid Air.
I’m tired of EV companies being disingenuous to the public. I.e. Tesla range never meeting their EPA range unlike every other EV company, Rivian touting Tank Turn knowing that it wouldn’t be an option at launch. I don’t think I need to go into Nikola Motors or Lordstown Motors.
It’s a breath of fresh air seeing a new company meeting expectations and I trust Tom’s review, it’s as simple as that.
I have a MachE premium which will turn into a Mach E GT next month, a BMW X5 plug in hybrid xDrive45e, and a Ram 1500. I have no stake in Lucid Motors. BTW, if I was to make assumptions as you have, I would guess you’re a Tesla fanboy.
*Note: I made a mistake in the video @12:45 in the video when I said the Taycan took 23 minutes to add 50 kWh - it actually only took 12 minutes. The problem is I have done 0-100% recordings of the Taycan on both 150 kW and 350 kW charging stations. I looked at the 150 kW station recording instead of the 350 kW station recording by mistake and that's why I said 23 minutes.
The real-time is 12 minutes on a 350 kW charging station- My thanks to the followers that pointed that out in the comments below.
I was thinking about that when I was looking at my model 3 v3 SC charging times .. I was like my model 3 is quicker .. thanks for the correction...
Ok, you initiated the charging session at 9:32 AM. At 9:52 AM you were at 34% (half the size of a Tesla Mode S battery) and you claimed that is 11 minutes. 52-32=? 11?
50% at 9:58 AM
You claim 16 min 28 sec. Actual: 26 min. The Tesla Model S does it in 15 minutes.
80% at 10:19 AM
You Claim 37 min. Actual: 47.
100% at 11:03 AM
You claim it took 1h and 20 min.
From 9:32 AM to 11:03 AM you have 91 min.
That's 1h and 30 min.
You are 10 minutes late. That was probably time wasted on initiating the charge.
Lucid should better start building their own charging network so their customers won't have to wait 10 minutes or more for payment processing before their car begins to charge.
@@travelwithtesla It only took a few seconds to initiate. I needed to move the camera that I was using to record me talking to in front of the station so I would have 2 there for redundancy, so I stopped the charging and started the session once the camera was in place. The charging session begins at 9:41 and reaches 50 kWh delivered at 9:52 - 11 minutes later as stated on the EA screen. But... You are right about Tesla Superchargers initializing faster than any other charging station (I own a Tesla and use them all the time), However, it's not 10 minutes faster, it's more like 25 to 30 seconds faster.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Then I don't understand. How do you count 11 minutes between 9:32 AM and 9:42AM? That's 20 minutes. The Air charged 50kWh in 20 min. Slower than the Model S.
@@travelwithtesla The charging session begins at 9.41(look at the screen) and the station delivered 50 kWh at 9:52 - what's not to understand?
Incredible job explaining the process. Great job and thank you!
Thanks, John.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I am waiting with excitement regarding the lucid range test on highspeed 70 miles per hour! I am looking forward!
So impressive. Think 5 years back. These numbers was unheard of. This car with the mega impressive range and this mega impressive charging curve. This is the new canonball winner. Long drives with little time, this is your car of choice. Let it charge for 11 min and you can drive almost 250 miles. Bravo 👏🏻
Not at Cannonball speeds though. Those speeds will eat right through that range.
@@alexnutcasio936 Even 300 miles at Cannonball speeds is nuts.
@@monsterous289 That’s not accounting for thermal losses. Pumping 300kW into a battery generates a lot of heat and the AC compressor and cooling system use energy to deal with that
@@monsterous289 X2, no way Lucid is that much more efficient than Tesla in the motor department. ONLY a BIGG(ER) battery will give you 500+ miles. Someone's not telling the truth about battery size.
@@alexnutcasio936 EPA states Lucid with 138kW battery size.
Tom, this is a tribute to your knowledge and journalistic integrity; this speaks for itself. Thanks!
@@monsterous289 No it's not. Tesla's own EPA filings show the Model S requires 113.344 kWh to recharge a 100 kWh battery pack. That's 13.3% charging losses, almost exactly what the Air experienced in my test.
The problem is, some people use the data on the in-car screen, and Tesla doesn't include the charging losses in that, only what the battery takes in so it looks like Teslas somehow circumvent physics and have zero charging losses.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Tom just admit That JFunk is Right, It doesnt hurt to admit That you are wrong
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You measured 97 kWh... th-cam.com/video/k4Cvv0YzWhE/w-d-xo.html
@@monsterous289 Where did you get 141kWh? Also, the Dream Editions are listed to have 118kWh packs, while the GT are to have 112kWh packs. In Lucid's EPA certification report, the recharge event was approximately 137kWh. Compare that with Tesla Model S Plaid's EPA certification report, it's recharge event was approximately 116kWh in that testing. Both results in a consistent energy loss of a bit less than 14%.
@@mathiaszander381 reread Tom's response, he explains the discrepancy
300 miles in 22 minutes, that's like 4 hours of driving on highway. No more range anxiety. Congrats Lucid!!!! Best vehicle for charger hoping.
Yeah thats what i finally got through to my best friend who has been fighting the thought of owning a ev because he thought he would be stuck somewhere all day charging. Im like after a few hundred miles , the time youll want to get out and stretch your legs youll have ebough chatge to go again.
The most useful point might be that if (if!) it hits that 500 mile range target, you get a total of 700 miles road trip range with only 13 minutes of on road charge time.
(10 hours at an average of 70)
So much for range anxiety.
Excellent point! 700 miles is already a very long road trip day. I could see stopping more often to coincide with pit stops and coffee breaks and there would be virtually no additional wait time that wasn't shadowed by the human needs of a road trip.
@@karlbloss
I've said for..... well, years now, if the car Out-ranges the occupants, then charges sufficiently while they "fill" and "empty" (😉) sufficiently to repeat, you don't NEED any more range.
This goes way beyond that.
As Robert Llewellyn puts it, "miles per bladder" is the limiting factor.
How do you calculate the 700 Miles from 500 Miles of Range? Im not being smart. Its a serious question.
Just outstanding analysis Tom! Your depth of understanding and ability to clearly explain the nuances of EV charging is why I point people to your channel.
@Tom, This was a wonderful video. Yes, the _Air_ is a beast, but you did so well at describing how people charge in the real world. With so many people just now considering their first EV it really matters that we get that information out there.
Congratulations on being the first. It shows the respect you have earned in the industry.
As usual, the best charging rate reviews. 👍🏼 Makes you wonder if they could further speed up the charging with better battery cooling equipment, or if the charge rate is inevitably going to slow as the charge controller shifts from constant-current mode to constant-voltage mode due to the inherent battery chemistry of Li-ion cells.
According to Google Los Angeles to Los Vegas is 270 miles. So you literally have enough Range to drive from la to vegas and back in one full charge. That's kinda Insane!
This vehicle is amazing! Really excited to see EVs advancing so quickly.
Thank you for validating my LCID purchase.
Tom, great 👍 content .. don’t worry about people that don’t know what they are talking about ...
I have done many DC fast charging from 0% to 90% and 100%, I have also done 0% to 90% and 100% on AC level 2 on the same vehicle and see a ton less lost but very close to the usable battery capacity.. on DC it’s aways much higher.. so it’s not the battery pack size it’s just the higher lost when using HPDC vs AC ..
Anyways .. on to something more real ..why did you say 20 to 80% is the norm in test?
Just about all test I see is normally about 10-80% .. why not do 10-80% calculation? 20% is a bit high .. normally many people pull in within 5-15% at a charging station.. 20% is really way too high ..
Inside EVs you guys are doing great work and showing exactly what this beast of a car is capable of. Don’t let Warren redlicker and his fellow redlicker fan base tell you otherwise. Good journalism require integrity and honesty.
Let’s go Lucid! #lucidnaire
Great video!
The explanation during the charging session was on point 👌🏾
This was a great break down. Really liked the chart break down at the end.
Thanks Tom for the video! I've been reading through the comments/concerns re. battery pack size. Please save yourself some time and some energy replying and arguing with some of folks here. Time will tell. Really look forward to your next video testing the range on Lucid as my family and I weighing on the options to buy our first EV in the near future.
It's pretty crazy how some of these people argue nonsense without regard to any actual facts. Thanks for commenting!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thank you for your detailed content. When will you have a 70mph range test for the Lucid? That would be great.
video of the year i must say! this took alot of time and effort on one of the most highly anticipated vehicles in the market right now! and it looks like you were by yourself! great work
This is facts b/c 300 miles in 22 mins is incredible. Like for example the caddy lyriq is already outdated with max 190kw ~300 range and that is not coming till 23 @ this price point.
Thanks Tom, I ordered my Grand Touring on Tuesday!
It’s just so enjoyable to watch your motivation for what you do..!
Awesome analysis Tom! Seems like there's no reason to charge this thing over 80%. Can't wait for your range test- that's gonna be a long day :)
Well done Tom, great video! Keep up the good work, it's very appreciated.
Tom, Yet another insightful video! Your channel is of my favorites when it to alll things electric mobility. Thank you!
That's fast! Cool that someone finally challenges the Germans in the charging department. Although the two year old Taycan/e-tron GT uses only two minutes more (17 minutes) to pull 62 kWh. That's a 70% charge with the considerably smaller battery.. The Porsche/Audi actually uses two minutes _less_ to reach it's half charge, so I don't expect Lucid to have the lead for long. If it is a lead.
Tom, good job! But why is the 134 kw/h due to supposedly charging inefficiencies and believing what Lucid claim regarding battery size instead of questioning why the EPA document shows a 138 kw battery size (what a coincidence!) for the 520 miles of range instead of the 118 KW pack size they claim? Why nobody is questioning Lucid about this discrepancy with the EPA document?
Shh…..remember, no one can dare question “Peter Rawlings the Great”.
There is no EPA document that shows a 138 kWh battery. Plain and simple. :)
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Let go ask Elon why
I have my money invested in TSLA&LCID and guys like you make us all look bad.
This is a good review with the time to charge and efficiency to 80%. I wish there was more of this reality for EVs
Brilliant job, Tom. Thank you for showing us that charge curve and for your initial analysis of the facts. Much appreciated.
This is such an awesome channel! Subscribed
I am stunned there are currently 97 dislikes on this video. Are a majority of these from viewers who: a) dislike review; b) dislike Tom; c) dislike Lucid; or d) something else- please describe. Wish I could give video a hundred likes.
probably all the but hurt tesla fans :)
Tesla fanboys won't like this especially Warren Redlich who still to this day keeps calling Lucid a fraud - what an IDIOT!
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I did 650 miles over the holiday in my Mach-e. I'm jealous of those charging times.
Well done, Tom.
I'm invested in Lucid and it's great to see the quality of their vehicles. I hope once they start doing mass production the quality continues. I don't have much money but I believe in their product and maybe that will allow me to afford one of their less expensive products they plan for in the future.
Superb video, analysis, data and presentation 👍. Looking for more of your videos.
Car of the year- Exhibit A🚀
Best overall car in the market right now there is no argument thats even close
I like the way Lucid is doing their marketing and PR. This not only shows their confidence in their product, but also, if anything was off, it gives your engineers another metric to analyze. It shows the type of company Lucid wants to be, versus its more arrogant Cali based competition. I also like the fact that this car seems ready for the mainstream right "out of the box" and is operating as promised. I hope the big three's EV's are this refined. It should make people comfortable with EV adoption going further.
Great one Tom! Greetings from Spain!
I've been waiting for this review. Well done and presented. I like your take on distance over time. It will make for easy comparisons and makes sense for most people.
Great work Tom! This is actually pretty amazing. This is not that far off from filling up a tank of Gas. Hopefully Tesla can improve on their end as well.
Impressive speed, yes, but most ice vehicles take under 5 minutes to fill. Will be a few years yet. But still better than “80 minutes”.
What might be interesting to see is to compare the charging curves of EVs normalized to either the battery pack size or the actual/epa range achieved.
Coming up!
time for range charged, yes.
I don't know why so many people start speculating about the battery pack size. If Lucid Motors had anything to hide why would they let someone do the test without any interference? When you lie you keep to it as long as possible so in the end when the consumers realize how great of a product they received, they are not so concerned about the "small white lie".
I think this could actually be intentional on Lucid Motors' side because the know the keyboard warriors will jump on it ASAP and what they need at the moment is people talking about them. There is not such a thing as "bad press", especially if you have nothing to hide.
Batterygate!
guess the analogy is like air pressure.
easy to put lots of air in when the tank is empty.
then it takes more effort to cram more in.
higher the pressure and volume, the higher the heat created that must be dealt with.
i think your right about the cooling system for the battery using up some of those losses.
probably a good percentage to hold those rates of charge.
be interesting to see the losses on a slow overnight a/c charge.
That's the only logical explanation. 🤪
Wow, a super fast charger, a nice fit for Lucid Air. 👨🏻🎓
Very nice detailed charging analysis 👍
This car looks like a good candidate to beat the Cannonball Run EV record. The super charge rate and exceptional acceleration rate makes it a good bet. If only E.A. could speed up the Plug & Charge authorization timing.
I'm gonna believe these numbers until regular customer start reporting them. But great start 👌
I prefer a Lucid style, sloping charge-rate-curve if I have a dense, reliable charging network where arriving with 3% remaining is not really risky.
I'd prefer an e-tron style, flat charge-rate-curve otherwise.
(The plugging in at 20% charge curve would indeed be interesting, Tom.)
That Lucid Air consumed more grid power in 60 mins than my entire house does in a month!
Cardboard under a bridge is pretty efficient
@@mattbrew11 not sure what you mean by that comment.
We're living in a 3 bedroom house in Melbourne Australia. We use so little power from the grid because we have solar panels on our roof.
@@MatthewBayard then you consume far more energy than you stated. Enjoy your complete lack of freedoms down under
@@mattbrew11 yes you are correct. I should have said it consumes more *grid power*.
@@mattbrew11 also I love talking to trolls. You think the cars that Tesla make are shitty. LoL.
Tom this video was very informative thank you for the hard work
Wow Tom 👍 congratulations getting todo the very first full charging test ... truly very impressive...awesome content more please!
The more I see, the more I like this car. Thank you.
Very well presented and explained. A lot of thought and preparation went into this episode. Thanks and thanks for explaining Lucid’s attitude in insisting you go out and test it by yourself. Sign of confidence.. for sure. 👍 Love your charts!! Never seen it explained so clearly. I subscribed 😉
@Carlo Herrmann Same here reason, I've just subscribed.
I'm really looking forward to Tom's analysis of the fast charging champions. 👍
Tom, I follow you on several channels. I enjoy your honesty and freshness. Glad you got this chance of testing the charging curve of the Lucid Air. It takes dedication and a belief in what you are sharing to be good and you have done well. Thanks for your review. It was informative and impressive. Interesting on Inside EV you said Lucid was monitoring the charging as you were. Is this a common practice that you can be monitored by a car manufacturer while charging. This would not make me comfortable. Your feelings?
OEMs do often remotely monitor press loan cars. But this was a special case. They are a new company with a car that they have only delivered to about 100 or so customers, and we were doing a charging test that they have never allowed anyone outside the company to do before.
I asked them to monitor in case there was a charging issue. I would then know if it was on the side of the car, or if the charging station had an issue. I wasn't confident that the Electrify America station would work as well as it did. I've never seen one deliver 300+ kW to an EV before, so iI was concerned that it may overheat the station and reduce the charging rate. If it did that, I wouldn't know if it was the car throttling back the power or the station.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney So impressed with your video, I now have Lucid stock. Thanks for a great video.
Everyone forgets, from lucid: The motors motor, inverter, transmission, and differential have all been combined into a single unit, with each of the two units weighing just 163 pounds. And it produces over 600 hp each. That is ridiculous, this is not a fraud company. Do some research most tech is made in house with lucid patents. Rawlinson prides his company on efficiency and tests like this prove it.
Thanks for sharing this. Seems nearly the same as tesla's. My spark ev? 0-80 in around 20 mins and 0-100 in 30.... They could have done this with taycan as stated with "mission-e" oh well.
Tom, thanks for this fascinating test. No one does EV charging tests better than you. Keep those graphs coming as we engineers love them. I’m not sure if we learn more from the video or the comment section.
Awesome charging video with stats... Can't wait until you can do this charging test on Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 when they come to "the states."
There's no way the Lucid only has a 118kw pack. I hope they aren't lying to customers and the EPA
they have about 138kw pack. Ther is only 1% loss when charging, so Lucid is lying about a 118kw pack. if they do, they are doomed.
@@bnk9477 they do not have a 138kw pack, whoever did the maths on that doesn't know what they are doing.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 I hope that it is 118kw, witch would bee amazing;)
Thanks,great video.
It’s a relief to see that Lucid is so far living up to its claims. Such a great leap forward, Tesla watch out. Thanks, Tom!
LOL.
@@AlijahSimon 🙄🤫
Tesla will be fine.
Porsche?
Dudes, have a sense of humor. I own a Tesla.
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Another great video Tom. We just need hundreds of these stations all over the place now so theses no queues to charge.
Since I charge my EV in my garage overnight, I don’t know, or care, how fast it charges. I found that on the road it charges about the amount of time it takes to use the bathroom and get a snack or less than having lunch. Range anxiety is what ICE journalist worry about, not EV drivers.
As a three time EV owner , I disagree. Range is an issue at speed 80+ and with hvac use. Definitely kills range when hot or cold out .
loll you surely don't live in a cold area i.e Canada...smh
This man represents the whole world guys if it's not worry for him it shouldn't be for anyone else right? What a load of bollocks lol
Nice job. I'm excited for the EV future!
Very impressed with that charge 👏🏼👏🏼 how much was the cost $$ to fully charge the Air??
If it was $0.43 per kWh (probably more, but price depends on rate), it would’ve been $60.
Just incredible charging curve to 80%. They've set the new bar. Hear that Ford, GM? Looking forward to the 70mph range test. Thanks for the video Tom.
Hear that tesla you mean. What an eye blackening embarrassment for “the kings”
Well at least Tesla is in the close neighborhood with the Plaid. It will be interesting to see what GMs Ultium battery will do. I don't expect it to be in the Lucid, Tesla, Porsche territory.
Man this makes a great road trip car for the family.
Great video. Saw the car in person yesterday and it’s a great looking vehicle. DC fast charging should not be used all the time as it’s really hard on the battery. It will degrade the battery capacity over time reducing range. It would also be nice to know what the cost is. You may get charging for free for the first three years but after that people will have to pay. Most people will have their vehicle for 7 years. In California peak rates at public stations is .48 cents per kWh. So you’ll have to take .48 cents times the number of hours plus tax to know what it will cost when free charging runs out. .48 x 134 kWh = $64.32 then you have to add sales tax to that. I own a Tesla so I know what the rates are in California. It may be cheaper in other states but you better know the rate before charging the vehicle when free charging runs out.
16kWh losses is the amount of heat generated by 8 2kw space heaters running full blast for an hour. Where did all that heat go?
Went same place as all other evs
@Jimmy Edward 118kwh but take about 10% more to fill it 100% like all EVs
@Jimmy Edward I’m not an expert on ev battery but my model s and my sons model 3 both requires about 10% more to get to 100% and takes me about 1.5 hours to charge my car to 100% but only around 350 miles as oppose to 520 for lucid.
@@mkkang He's telling the facts which you haters are ignoring.
@@mkkang Your other comments shows who pays you.
I am waiting with excitement regarding the lucid range test on highspeed 70 miles per hour! I am looking forward!
Coming up in less that 2 weeks.
Had to cancel because of bad weather. Now scheduled for mid-January.
The range test is going to take a good day’s work. Can’t wait to see it. Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing.
One of the hardest parts is finding a route near Lucid HQ that I know I can drive 70 mph and not get stuck in traffic and not go over at hills or mountains.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney not to mention, one that has a couple of convenient rest stops because you're gonna need it after driving 7-8 hours.
I've never clicked on a video so fast!
Tom, we want to see some real performance specs. Drive it like you stole it. They’ve been out a month and crickets on performance.
The interior of that car is gorgeous. Curious on how it compares to Lyriq?
What do you mean by "They've been out a month"? According to their website: "Your fully refundable reservation for a Lucid Air will secure your place in line when deliveries begin."
@@rzu7120 they started delivering a month ago. Search is your friend.
Thank you been trying to find Lucid charging videos
This is the first one!
Thanks for doing this. It shows that regardless of what capacity the battery is stated to have, it takes 134kwh to obtain a full charge. That’s the true efficiency metric. Like an ICE vehicle, where mpg is based on how much fuel you have to buy to fill it. Nothing else matters.
Thank you. But I'll prove the capacity is indeed 118, just to end this ridiculous debate. Stay tuned.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I guess that would be good to know, but imagine an ICE vehicle claiming 50 mpg because it can go 500 miles on a full tank with 10 gallon capacity, then it takes 12 gallons to fill the tank. EV efficiency ratings need to be calculated based on miles per kwh IN.
@@bspencersf I think they are, EPA measure power from the wall.
Car report power used, which of course comes from the battery
@@bspencersf Most EV charging is done using AC trickle charging rather than DC fast charging so we would need to low what the efficiency/losses are from different charging rates for comparison purposes.
Great video 😃 How did you manage to get the car SOC to 0%? In your timelapce i saw 2% but was wondering how would you even get the car to 0% and what happens to car at 0%? Does it just piggy back on the low power system to keep the computers running?
Thanks Tom. Was so excited to see this and you delivered!
It's a shame manufacturers are trying to game the peak charge rate (ALL of them!). Most people won't charge from 0% most of the time. Reasonably you would charge from the 10% to 30% range. So keeping a STEADY rate of say 175 kw from 0-80% at that rate would be more practical since that is what most people will experience. You would plug in at 20% and run at 175 kw all the way to 80% and that would give you the ability also to almost exactly calculate when your session will end.
The higher start up rate I guess is favorable for people who just want a quick hit or only charge for a very short time (like 5-10 mins). Charging at a lower sustained rate though should also be better for the battery. I wish you could have a choice when plugging in.
You don't understand how it works
@@larryspiller15 Sure. I can always learn if you want to explain.
All of this charge curve talk is infuriating to me because people think that peak kW is all hype but in reality it is literally the quickest way to charge. Vehicles with "better" charging curves are snake oil because those vehicles hide away a significantly larger top buffer to make it seem as though you are taking more kW at a higher state of charge but in reality you are at a lower state of charge and don't have access to your full charge of the pack in exchange for a pretty graph that does nothing for you.
I calculate that the heat / charging loss was 12% so this is not that big a deal, based on 118KWH battery, charger total delivered 134KWH 134 x 0.12=~16.08KWH loss
200 miles added in 12 minutes - perfect I’ll stop in three hours anyway be it food or toilet. Timed one of my fill ups and the petrol station was quiet but from parked at the station it took eight minutes to fill, walk in and pay it and walk back out and sit in the car again but this was a nearly empty to full before a road trip and it did add around 350 miles to the tank. But at 12 minutes to add a few hundred miles brilliant. 👍 Thing is I then drove out and sat for another ten minutes eating the sandwich I bought after parking about a mile away with a castle for a view. A66 road in the U.K. 😂
Thanks for the video
Thanks for the video Tom. The more videos like this makes me glad that I invested in Lucid, even though their first cars are in a luxury category that is far outside of my price range. I'm glad that they are delivering on their promises. The more EV companies that succeed, the more people who will buy superior EVs that improve their quality of living. I hope Lucid continues to maintain their high quality as they move into more high-volume production of lower-cost EVs in the coming years.
Lucid Air Edition is an incredibly beautiful creation.
So more than 134 kwh battery pack not 118 kwh, Lucid are not being completely honest. Keep in mind the loses are based on DC current not AC. The tesla loss comparison as per EPA is on AC current which will have higher loses . LUCID loses are DC current which shows the pack is bigger than 118 kwh, if you count the buffer below zero and 100 the pack is close to 138kwh or more
That's not how EV charging works. I've charged just about every EV sold today, and they all have at least 10% charging losses. Tesla's EPA documents show that the Model S needs 116.3 kWH to fill a 100 kWh battery. That's 16.3% losses. Why are you so surprised about charging losses on the Air?
The loses on tesla are based on AC current not DC, As you know AC loses will be higher so your comparison is a distraction to spread the LUCID lies. I just dont trust lucid. They claim to be very efficient. In my opinion you have to defend them to be invited for future content
Show us your EV battery tech and charging credentials to show us you know what you are talking about.
This car will make your 70 mph test painfully long!!! Good luck ,can't wait!!!
I wonder if Lucid is not admitting to have a larger than stated battery pack?
OMG, why?
@@kulaengineering so that they appear to have increased efficiency of their technology.
Warren Redlich fake news
Incredible car.
I'm guessing the battery pack is actually larger than what Lucid states, and they're using almost 100% of that pack to get the range they claim. I'll be interested to see the 70mph range test, and charging the vehicle on 150kwh DC fast charger to see if it takes in close to the same 134kwh.
You're guessing. (You said it)
I'll have some follow up on that topic in the future.
Am guessing you're not an engineer
Seems that way. The Lucid is also heavier than the Model S by almost 300lbs
@@tngermaine1
Yes you are. (Incorrectly)
Can you imagine if we ever get 1000 miles EV. That'd be Crazy!!!
I’m just wondering why Lucid does not list the weight of the vehicle on their website. They list the width, length, height and wheelbase, but not the weight. Wikipedia lists the weight, but apparently, that was obtained from a review, not from Lucid. From what is listed in Wikipedia the Lucid weighs about 500 lbs more than a Tesla Model S Plaid. Where does that additional weight come from? Are the Lucid body panels made from steel?
Rawlinson and his team are not being forthcoming. It’s probably heavier than disclosed in those blogs.
The decision to charge faster and have a linear drop off would seem to be advantageous for normally occurring shorter charges, however I do wonder what the curve would look like on a 150 instead of a 350 on a long charge (20-80). Would eliminating that initial burst pay for itself over time and also reduce battery wear from heat?
I was surprised to hear that people wouldn't run the car below 20%. That's 100 miles of range remaining. Most ICE cars don't put on a fuel warning light until 50 miles. On a recent trip we were comfortable planning for 10% at our destination which provided faster recharges as well. This was in a vehicle where 10% was probably less than 20 miles.
I also really liked seeing plug and charge work and how quickly it worked. It was a real treat on Thanksgiving weekend when Electrify America was giving away electrons not to have to pull out the phone and make the taps and swipes necessary to start charging.
The painted charging rates were a really nice touch. I think that as we get more ev drivers we are going to have to do more work to keep the few remaining CHAdeMO plugs and 350 spots open for those who need them. Having some consistency in terminology, iconography and coloring across the industry might help.
wow Lucid Air Champion
Beautiful car. I hope they can survive the ramp up to scale. At this pricepoint the market is limited but if they can get the structure in place then perhaps it will translate into other models at a premium...yet more attainable price.
Every time I consider getting an EV, I watch one of your videos and realize it would be a big mistake. Thanks for the videos.
with so many 150KW chargers it would be great to see the performance on the 150KW charger, how about it Lucid!
I've already requested the opportunity to do that
I liked seeing the charging dialog and how fast it added miles so quickly. However, you didn’t show or mention how much it cost to add that much range. With wasted heat energy for charging so fast and EA electricity rates I’m wondering if the EV vs ICE benefit perhaps isn’t so great here in this case. Probably shows the best practice to not charge past 80% anyway.
Great video Tom, as always. I think I'd rather have a 150kW on board and charge like the eTron does. That way, you're not hunting down 350kW chargers
I plan to repeat this on a 150 kW charger to compare the difference.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney When can we expect that?
@@monsterous289 Porche and E-tron also show losses of about 10%, its a thing with fast charging. The 99% figure seems to be a tesla figure which is unprovable because tesla chargers do not tell you how much its giving your car, telsa just shows what goes into the battery and of course that will be 99%+ and that would be the same for ALL cars if they just showed what was put into the battery
Thanks! very intersting! But one basic question. When you are showing the details of the charging session is that the EA screen or the in-car screen? And if is EA, what does in-car screen show?
DID SOMEONE SAY CANNONBALL RUN RECORD?