Thanks guys brilliant as usual...a golf coach here...all the same issues/difficulty apply.... The back swing turn away, load phase, followed by a kinetic chain from the ground upwards on the left side of the body (in tennis it's on the right side). The athletic problem of average people turning....they cannot do what the pros do, minimal hip rotation with vast shoulder turn. The problem of copying the pros (I made the same mistake) not understanding the biomechanical fundamentals versus idiosyncratic movements or even faults in the pros (jack Nicklaus the greatest golfer ever...swung too upright for 99% of ordinary mortals). The balance, mid strategy is good for your ordinary mortal...in golf turn, relax, allow your hips to turn, allow for some lateral motion in the hips, resulting in knee kick to the left and the left heel rising off the ground, allow the left arm to bow (not rigidly straight).... If you tense, rigidly straight left arm, wind the upper body against the reduced leg hip motion....no chance for the ordinary mortal...
I've been a USPTA pro for over 30 years, and this is one of the best and most complete kick serve videos I've seen. As someone who suffers with severe hip and shoulder problems, it's the one stroke I can't personally demonstrate on the court anymore. I will definitely recommend this video to my students.
bravo! very well done! one of your best serve videos. i actually thing the concepts of reactive break & deceleration could help explain the balance between enough but not too much rotation. lower & upper body rotation only need to be enough to ignite/fire/set off the kinetic chain but they must STOP in order to let the arm (the shoulder, elbow, hand) to race ahead. it does not take much lower body or trunk rotation to generate a massive amount of torque that then gets transferred the arm when the lower then upper body STOP rotating to let their momentum transfer through. TRANSFER only happens one link in the chain stops to the let the other one race ahead. that’s why the off arm is tucked in at contact, why the back leg kicks back after the initial push
Just out of curiosity Dayday, what racket you use what strings and at what tension? I know these are not key elements to your game, but I’d still like to know.
@@RacquetFlex I have had the rotator-cuff then i cannot drop the racket. It may be my night mare and bad muscle memory. If i turn and feel more stretch from trunk and hip. Jumping and tucking non-hitting arm. The racket drop happen naturally. Do you agree this concept sir? I hope that i can hear your valuable advice
Yep. It's that torso stretch that is the real arbiter of power for anyone not Open level. Funny enough, I learned about this when warming up my serve against a windscreen on a bank fence. I was hitting it and I was like "why do I have so much pop?". I thought it was because I was rotating more, but when I tried to emulate it, the power went away. I realized when I was warming up I was really stretching my pecs and back muscles out (like I was doing bentover dumbbell flies) and then waiting longer to release and turn into it. POP. By doing just that and having a loose grip and a decent amount of racket drop, I can bang out 95-100 mph serves without looking like I'm doing anything.
Hi coach. Great video. Question , I was practicing my serve couple days ago and my shoulder hurts since then. What am I doing wrong? Yes I have been playing for just couple yrs so I still learning. Thx in advance for your answer
By the way, after that video of yours teaching us how to kick, my back pain is gone and I'm way more consistent on my second serve. I don't know if you grasp on how much you guys positively affect on everybody else's lives, but I'm really grateful.
The thing about rotation away from the net is that it makes tossing in the right spot really tricky because as you turn the tossing arm wants to turn with you and the toss tends to go more parallel to the baseline instead of forward.
It actually solved my tossing issues. I used to toss over my head or behind when tense. Now I start the toss after I fully coil and on my uncoiling, I have no way but to toss in front of me as I rotating forward to hit the ball. It also forces me to jump up, which is a bonus. Of course you need to release the ball correctly so that the ball is aligned to your right shoulder or at least between your two shoulders to have a good contact on impact.
Is there a chance that the reason why Federer and Sampras are able to pull off a more extreme serve stance naturally is because of their eye-dominance? I also tried to do the more extreme stance but couldn't really pull it off. When I tried the pin point stance, it was more natural for me. Or maybe it has more to do with athleticism and flexibility?
You both have copied Fed's serve very well. If it took 10 years, it's totally worth it cos it looks awesome. When I first tried to copy Fed's serve, I did run into the problem with rotation. It first felt odd to turn your body that much so I tried the more open position. But slowly I moved back to the closed position because it made the kick serve much easier. I just had to control the toss perfectly for the 1st serve. Of course it's never perfect.
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Thanks guys brilliant as usual...a golf coach here...all the same issues/difficulty apply....
The back swing turn away, load phase, followed by a kinetic chain from the ground upwards on the left side of the body (in tennis it's on the right side). The athletic problem of average people turning....they cannot do what the pros do, minimal hip rotation with vast shoulder turn. The problem of copying the pros (I made the same mistake) not understanding the biomechanical fundamentals versus idiosyncratic movements or even faults in the pros (jack Nicklaus the greatest golfer ever...swung too upright for 99% of ordinary mortals).
The balance, mid strategy is good for your ordinary mortal...in golf turn, relax, allow your hips to turn, allow for some lateral motion in the hips, resulting in knee kick to the left and the left heel rising off the ground, allow the left arm to bow (not rigidly straight).... If you tense, rigidly straight left arm, wind the upper body against the reduced leg hip motion....no chance for the ordinary mortal...
I've been a USPTA pro for over 30 years, and this is one of the best and most complete kick serve videos I've seen. As someone who suffers with severe hip and shoulder problems, it's the one stroke I can't personally demonstrate on the court anymore. I will definitely recommend this video to my students.
Outstanding work, well done chaps!
This was helpful video. I was too closed at setup, especially on deuce side.
i love the comedy. I absolutely love it. You seem like the nicest person, actually.
bravo! very well done! one of your best serve videos. i actually thing the concepts of reactive break & deceleration could help explain the balance between enough but not too much rotation. lower & upper body rotation only need to be enough to ignite/fire/set off the kinetic chain but they must STOP in order to let the arm (the shoulder, elbow, hand) to race ahead. it does not take much lower body or trunk rotation to generate a massive amount of torque that then gets transferred the arm when the lower then upper body STOP rotating to let their momentum transfer through. TRANSFER only happens one link in the chain stops to the let the other one race ahead. that’s why the off arm is tucked in at contact, why the back leg kicks back after the initial push
Just out of curiosity Dayday, what racket you use what strings and at what tension? I know these are not key elements to your game, but I’d still like to know.
great video thank you!!! And super funny!
the kings are back!
Thanks brother!!
@@RacquetFlex I have had the rotator-cuff then i cannot drop the racket. It may be my night mare and bad muscle memory. If i turn and feel more stretch from trunk and hip. Jumping and tucking non-hitting arm. The racket drop happen naturally.
Do you agree this concept sir?
I hope that i can hear your valuable advice
Yep. It's that torso stretch that is the real arbiter of power for anyone not Open level. Funny enough, I learned about this when warming up my serve against a windscreen on a bank fence. I was hitting it and I was like "why do I have so much pop?". I thought it was because I was rotating more, but when I tried to emulate it, the power went away. I realized when I was warming up I was really stretching my pecs and back muscles out (like I was doing bentover dumbbell flies) and then waiting longer to release and turn into it. POP.
By doing just that and having a loose grip and a decent amount of racket drop, I can bang out 95-100 mph serves without looking like I'm doing anything.
looks like only day 1 is available, when can we expect the rest of the serve challenge days? Its been like this since I logged in a month ago
Hi coach. Great video. Question , I was practicing my serve couple days ago and my shoulder hurts since then. What am I doing wrong? Yes I have been playing for just couple yrs so I still learning. Thx in advance for your answer
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Wait, you and Daytri are brothers?? that makes sense although I can’t tell which one is older😂😂 great information once again.
Already liked. Love your videos.
By the way, after that video of yours teaching us how to kick, my back pain is gone and I'm way more consistent on my second serve. I don't know if you grasp on how much you guys positively affect on everybody else's lives, but I'm really grateful.
has the serve challenge been updated or changed from years past?
Do you guys do camps / lessons? Where in the world are you?
The thing about rotation away from the net is that it makes tossing in the right spot really tricky because as you turn the tossing arm wants to turn with you and the toss tends to go more parallel to the baseline instead of forward.
Toss first, then coil.
@@proshepherd yes
It actually solved my tossing issues. I used to toss over my head or behind when tense. Now I start the toss after I fully coil and on my uncoiling, I have no way but to toss in front of me as I rotating forward to hit the ball. It also forces me to jump up, which is a bonus. Of course you need to release the ball correctly so that the ball is aligned to your right shoulder or at least between your two shoulders to have a good contact on impact.
It'd be cool if someone did a motion capture of a person serving to see where the body movements are happening, for good and bad serves.
Is there a chance that the reason why Federer and Sampras are able to pull off a more extreme serve stance naturally is because of their eye-dominance? I also tried to do the more extreme stance but couldn't really pull it off. When I tried the pin point stance, it was more natural for me. Or maybe it has more to do with athleticism and flexibility?
This is all very helpful, but what i really want to know is if you can catch a fly with chopsticks?
Wonder where could I buy the shirt you wear😂
I did just like 3 times in a row.
Sorry to write this, but this confused me. I'm probably doing all of these :( Teach me how to fix please, master ありがとう ございます
Easy to understand, so hard to learn.
Seeing is believing. I couldn't understand how the wrist rotation makes spin ball power .
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the court and everything in the surroundings looks like Japan
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You both have copied Fed's serve very well. If it took 10 years, it's totally worth it cos it looks awesome. When I first tried to copy Fed's serve, I did run into the problem with rotation. It first felt odd to turn your body that much so I tried the more open position. But slowly I moved back to the closed position because it made the kick serve much easier. I just had to control the toss perfectly for the 1st serve. Of course it's never perfect.
This guy couldn’t crack 110mph if his life depended on it. 😂😂😂😂. Sigh… though to be fair his form is better than a lot of tennis influencers….