I studied serve with the master Tommy Tucker (who trained Navratilova for a while) in CA, but he didn't talk about the serve like this. What you say is very helpful for me. Thank you.
I recognize it in my own serve, but I attribute it differently. When I serve "too stiff", it's because I am hitting the ball too early in my service motion, there is more racquet head soeed AFTER I hit the ball. When I feel I am hitting the ball late in my service motion, the body is no longer "pushing" to accelerate, but is relaxing at maximum speed (for the swing effort), and the ball has more pop. An added bpnus is that I am more ready for the returning ball because I am not using up as much time involved in finishing the swing motion and getting in balance.
I have commented this many times, I think people get confused by the instruction "just the wrist". It's actually NOT "just the wrist", but rather internal shoulder rotation (and partly forearm pronation) that generates tons of power, that is transferred through a relaxed wrist to the racket. There are no big muscles in the wrist, to generate much power. If we keep talking about the wrist, people will think they somehow need to activate, and DO something with the wrist, which is not really the case. Trash me if I am wrong, I can take it.
I think the point is most of the players no issues generating power from shoulder, however, if the wrist is not relaxed as you mentioned they cannot transfer the power to the raquet. I guess today lot of players struggle to relax the wrist
I dunno if this advice is useful at all. I had nobody tell me to use the wrist as well and I do use it anyway. I also didn't tell my kids, but they also do/did (my son is still playing, my daughter favors volleyball). And when I told my wife to do so, she used it proactively and wrong (too early in the swing motion). That's why I didn't tell my kids. I think there is a line between native tennis kids and late beginners. Both of them don't need this advice. Kids do it anyway, late beginners use it wrong. But of you are sitting right in that Line or miss something, you may find help with this.
Most people are having problems in using power from shoulder or arm pronation for power. It comes natural. Patrick knows this but he shortcuts it by focusing on wrist action which is key in popping the balls. Arm and shoulders shall follow? You cannot teach three mechanisms at the same time. Arm, shoulders and wrist movements. LOL
i think what he's trying to do is tell people to relax their wrist to allow for maximal racket speed, what you are saying is true but i guess what he's saying is that players aren't transferring the power from the body into the ball because they are keeping their wrist too tight.
I was also taught this way of snapping and training the wrist and then the whole body services motion together with a relaxed wrist and then a wrist snap. Worked well for me. I have a big serve despite being only 5’4”
Most people are having problems in using power from shoulder or arm pronation for power. It shall come natural. Patrick knows this but he shortcuts it by focusing on wrist action first which is key in popping the balls. Arm and shoulders shall follow? Other coaches try to teach three mechanisms at the same time. Arm, shoulders and wrist movements. But who can apply it? Keep it simple......
yes very true. they also tend to teach complex body mechanics in terms of "still frames" or "poses" that represent different moments during the movement, rather than showing the movement as a whole and giving the student an understanding of the way the energy flows from the body to the racket to the ball.
Awesome Videos and Instructions. Can u make a video or better series about Players like me who haven’t playing for ages and want to get in again. So the Technique is rusted but quite okay and especially physical fitness footwork lacks. What are the perfect drills to get back in shape game and body again! Thanks that would be awesome
It might seem trivial, but what helped me a lot (I’m still a beginner so take this lightly) was envisioning exactly where I wanted the ball to go. I always knew the phrase “aim small, miss small” but it really did help me. Now I’m told I have the flat of around a 4, which is a crazy compliment considering I’m about a month in.
for the flat serve the racket comes in on edge and the forearm pronation/wrist snap makes it flat onto the ball right before contact. for the slice at 9:21 it seems almost as if this last pronation step is minimized so the racket stays more on edge than flat and the resulting follow through is also different. is that the case or is there something else going on with the slice (apart from maybe slight ball toss variation)?
please do a video specifically on how to time the jump at the end of the serve. I have an ok serve for a short guy but i have never been able to figure out how to incorporate the jump into my serve so i am stuck on the ground.
Think of it this way: it's not about actually actively jumping, it's the movement up toward the ball that brings you into the air. Search "passive leg drive intuitive tennis"
you dont jump on serve. you explode with your knees up and forward. do it and try to hit the ball in the hightest possible point, and the jump comes alone. it is more like, you stretch your body to hit the ball in highest possible point.
As others have said, you're not jumping. Your body is like a whip, it contracts as you load up for the serve, while you toss and prepare your swing, then you go for the impact. At this moment, you drive up towards the ball, releasing all that energy through the body into the racket, which goes into the ball. The airtime is just a consequence of driving up to meet the ball. Rather than thinking of jumping, just think of meeting the ball at contact, as high as you possibly can (everyone has a different height at which they make contact)
I think this serve action is not optimal. from the player perspective you should be hitting up to the ball, more like hitting wood with hammer. And true spin serve contact on the ball in the ball clock is not near 3oclock but more near 8oclock. Even if you hit up, the ball is gonna go down with the topsin provided with the side spin and having the toss in the front will make sure that the actual bidy is aligned towards the court. Cheers
What is one thing you want to improve on your serve?
Consistency 💯💯
Consistency and placement. Too many double faults
Correct waiter tray serve
Placement for sure
My toss consistency when going through the entire motion and learning to lead with my elbow not my wrist. Oops. That’s two things. 😁
I studied serve with the master Tommy Tucker (who trained Navratilova for a while) in CA, but he didn't talk about the serve like this. What you say is very helpful for me. Thank you.
Best coach in the world.
Instantly applicable to all games and what I was looking for. Thanks Patrick.
I recognize it in my own serve, but I attribute it differently. When I serve "too stiff", it's because I am hitting the ball too early in my service motion, there is more racquet head soeed AFTER I hit the ball. When I feel I am hitting the ball late in my service motion, the body is no longer "pushing" to accelerate, but is relaxing at maximum speed (for the swing effort), and the ball has more pop. An added bpnus is that I am more ready for the returning ball because I am not using up as much time involved in finishing the swing motion and getting in balance.
This training lesson is really easy to understand, Regads
I have commented this many times, I think people get confused by the instruction "just the wrist". It's actually NOT "just the wrist", but rather internal shoulder rotation (and partly forearm pronation) that generates tons of power, that is transferred through a relaxed wrist to the racket. There are no big muscles in the wrist, to generate much power. If we keep talking about the wrist, people will think they somehow need to activate, and DO something with the wrist, which is not really the case. Trash me if I am wrong, I can take it.
I think the point is most of the players no issues generating power from shoulder, however, if the wrist is not relaxed as you mentioned they cannot transfer the power to the raquet. I guess today lot of players struggle to relax the wrist
I dunno if this advice is useful at all. I had nobody tell me to use the wrist as well and I do use it anyway.
I also didn't tell my kids, but they also do/did (my son is still playing, my daughter favors volleyball).
And when I told my wife to do so, she used it proactively and wrong (too early in the swing motion). That's why I didn't tell my kids.
I think there is a line between native tennis kids and late beginners. Both of them don't need this advice. Kids do it anyway, late beginners use it wrong.
But of you are sitting right in that Line or miss something, you may find help with this.
You couldn’t be more right. The power is generated by the body and is released via the wrist.
Most people are having problems in using power from shoulder or arm pronation for power. It comes natural. Patrick knows this but he shortcuts it by focusing on wrist action which is key in popping the balls. Arm and shoulders shall follow? You cannot teach three mechanisms at the same time. Arm, shoulders and wrist movements. LOL
i think what he's trying to do is tell people to relax their wrist to allow for maximal racket speed, what you are saying is true but i guess what he's saying is that players aren't transferring the power from the body into the ball because they are keeping their wrist too tight.
I love the metal instrumental towards the end!
I was also taught this way of snapping and training the wrist and then the whole body services motion together with a relaxed wrist and then a wrist snap. Worked well for me. I have a big serve despite being only 5’4”
Mate I doubt anyone who is 5’4 has a “big serve”
a "big serve" is a "big serve" - 7' or 6' or 5'4" tall
This is a great video , i really need this sort of guidance to improve my national ranking
Great content. Do you pronate the wrist on the follow through of a slice serve, or only on the flat and kick serves?
Most people are having problems in using power from shoulder or arm pronation for power. It shall come natural. Patrick knows this but he shortcuts it by focusing on wrist action first which is key in popping the balls. Arm and shoulders shall follow? Other coaches try to teach three mechanisms at the same time. Arm, shoulders and wrist movements. But who can apply it? Keep it simple......
yes very true. they also tend to teach complex body mechanics in terms of "still frames" or "poses" that represent different moments during the movement, rather than showing the movement as a whole and giving the student an understanding of the way the energy flows from the body to the racket to the ball.
Took some learnings from here! Thanks
great help
Thanks every time. :)
Awesome Videos and Instructions. Can u make a video or better series about Players like me who haven’t playing for ages and want to get in again. So the Technique is rusted but quite okay and especially physical fitness footwork lacks. What are the perfect drills to get back in shape game and body again! Thanks that would be awesome
Can you do a video on improving accuracy of serve shots? I have enough power to send the ball but it’s way past the service box. Thank you in advance!
@@surprisedpikachuface-g9w oh wow I haven’t thought about that 🙂
It might seem trivial, but what helped me a lot (I’m still a beginner so take this lightly) was envisioning exactly where I wanted the ball to go. I always knew the phrase “aim small, miss small” but it really did help me. Now I’m told I have the flat of around a 4, which is a crazy compliment considering I’m about a month in.
If your serve is going long that means you aren't snapping your wrist enough. It has nothing to do with power, it has to do with technique.
Your serve needs more spin.
@@DungHoang-bv2yd I can spin a ball to the point that people cussing me out 😁
Agree. Once I start slowing down on the second, that's when they start sailing long.
Is the grip changing as you close you racquet head, or is it changing the position of the hand?
Comme si cette leçon était pour moi. J’ai le même problème que le jeune homme sur le service. Merci Patrick!
But why preferring sliced volley to flat volley in the end ?
Thanks!
I dont think he really cares about 5$ but it’s kind from u :)
Best video
belle amélioration en volée de coup droit!
for the flat serve the racket comes in on edge and the forearm pronation/wrist snap makes it flat onto the ball right before contact. for the slice at 9:21 it seems almost as if this last pronation step is minimized so the racket stays more on edge than flat and the resulting follow through is also different. is that the case or is there something else going on with the slice (apart from maybe slight ball toss variation)?
Super!
Mr Mouratoglou's advice broke my racket. I was whacking the balls so hard that bumper guard on the racket broke. Excellent.
nice !
When will it happen in GA again?
The boy body languages did not want to practice.
He's just a shy guy, give me a break
Finally i understood how i have to make a real volley!!!! Thanks
6:05 let it free.. sakit omm haha
please do a video specifically on how to time the jump at the end of the serve. I have an ok serve for a short guy but i have never been able to figure out how to incorporate the jump into my serve so i am stuck on the ground.
Think of it this way: it's not about actually actively jumping, it's the movement up toward the ball that brings you into the air. Search "passive leg drive intuitive tennis"
@@CostanzaTP thx!
you dont jump on serve. you explode with your knees up and forward. do it and try to hit the ball in the hightest possible point, and the jump comes alone. it is more like, you stretch your body to hit the ball in highest possible point.
As others have said, you're not jumping. Your body is like a whip, it contracts as you load up for the serve, while you toss and prepare your swing, then you go for the impact. At this moment, you drive up towards the ball, releasing all that energy through the body into the racket, which goes into the ball. The airtime is just a consequence of driving up to meet the ball. Rather than thinking of jumping, just think of meeting the ball at contact, as high as you possibly can (everyone has a different height at which they make contact)
7:14 that's where my form goes wrong... causes ache shoulder and wrist.
Poor dude, you can see he's introvert and nervous from the cameras haha
Poor extrovert, uncomfortable with introverts.
Not all introvert gets nervous easily:) they might not care to be the center of attention but lots of them are condident secure ppl.
What is the approximate UTR of the student here?
Probably 6 or 7 atleast
@@BriasRocks potential D1 material?
@@PatrickLu-z8h d3 maybe even d2 without a doubt
@@PatrickLu-z8h he does seem to have natural height
I think this serve action is not optimal. from the player perspective you should be hitting up to the ball, more like hitting wood with hammer. And true spin serve contact on the ball in the ball clock is not near 3oclock but more near 8oclock. Even if you hit up, the ball is gonna go down with the topsin provided with the side spin and having the toss in the front will make sure that the actual bidy is aligned towards the court.
Cheers
What’s with the beeping in the background, otherwise great video!
His volleys are really popping up. Is this intentional? In doubles that would lose you the point.
Is it a hidden brother of Sinner?
Beep 🚨
This kid is just not listening enough in the service part 😂😂😂 Coach is just trying to pkease the kid hahaha
50% of what Patrick says is unconventional and/or uninterpretable. I seldom find it useful.
His videos are for more advanced players and mostly talking about concepts. The average youtube watcher will not find this very useful.
Wrong!! He confuses wrist and forearm pronation. Very bad advice
this kid sucks at learning...he is not listening and make change because he thinks he's good already
Teenage body language.
My serve is much more accurate when I flex my wrist.
Flexing the wrist gives that bit of extra power.