Top 10 Overrated Games - The Broken Meeple
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- My Top 10 Overrated Games based on current social media, BGG rankings, content on TH-cam etc.
I love board games, I love gaming, don't get me wrong here when you read the title. But we all have things we dislike in gaming whether it's a specific genre, a theme, a mechanic, a publisher trait, a designer style, a player trope, whatever. Most are afraid to express these views.
Well not me!! :P And this is the big one that always gets contention. Even more so that hated games - which is kind of weird, but I guess they overlap and also some games you state you hate are usually hated by everyone anyway.
Just try not to over-react - it's purely opinion...........
00:00 - Introduction & General Update
04:50 - #10
08:09 - #9
11:32 - #8
15:02 - #7
19:24 - #6
25:06 - #5
28:29 - #4
34:40 - #3
40:58 - #2
47:58 - #1
52:48 - Conclusion and Shortlist
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I have come to realize that when Luke hates a game, I will properly like it ;) (Terraforming Mars, Concordia, Great Western Trail, Lorenzo and Castles of Burgundy are among my top games). But still, I can differently see why he doesn't like them, and it really shows the diversity of game preference we see in the hobby.
Mission accomplished! :-)
@@TheBrokenMeeple With that being said, I do agree on Barrage, Age of Steam, Brass, Gloomhaven ;). And we both seems to be fans of games like Anachrony, Scythe, Energy Empire, Nations, Viticulture, Dominion and Five tribes :)
On the other hand for me Scythe is suuuuper boring while Barrage is extremely interesting and interactive. The theme is much more interesting in Scythe, which is why I'm sad it's not a more interactive game. :(
Agree with you... the deversity of game preference in this game is infinite!
The groupthink in boardgames groups gets on my nerves too. I have witnessed people asking for games for little kids and several replies suggesting Scythe or Gloomhaven. It sucks the will to interact out of me completely, when all the people would talk about is the same 2-3 games until the new hotness comes out then rinse and repeat.
Well, there is My Little Scythe, so that's probably tailored towards kids, as i wouldn't touch something named that with a pole. So they probably meant that.
Don't forget to mention the kids pics in the images section of games with a heavy rating of 3,5/5
..... I wanna see the board people, not your "brilliant ass whooping" kids :p
I appreciate videos like this more than many channels or reviewers that universally praise everything, or are terrified to say a negative thing out of fear. I agree with some like Concordia and TM, disagree with several (Castles, Gloomhaven, GWT, Orleans, Marco Polo) but despite having different tastes, still enjoyed the video! As I was watching I thought you might say Viticulture as it seems to hit lists like this.
Respect! This is what I like to see - someone who respects all opinions whether agree or disagree. You're the polar opposite of a comment I had to hide/ban where they just basically took the time to attack me personally for no reason. It's good to get viewers like you that make the channel worth the effort. :-)
As for Viticulture, yeah I see it hit lists, but it's in my collection, I really enjoy it!
This will henceforth be the "dire" video
Love that you always put timestamps in the description
Glad you like them!
Thanks for another fun list Luke, but there is one thing I need to clear up and that is what do you really think of Barrage?
:P
@@TheBrokenMeeple rofl
Yes!!!! I was worried you had left Concordia off the list. Loving the sonic the hedgehog hair.
It's normally Sonic style but with it so long it's out of control!
I really like this video...finally someone has echoed the points I have always made. Castle of Burgandy, Brass Birmingham, Gloomhaven, Terraforming Mars, and Great Western Trail all have such high spots in the rankings and I cannot figure out why. They are either too heavy/complicated for most (Gloomhaven), too dry (Castle of Burgundy, Great Western Trail), too similar to other games (Brass Birmingham, and/or too ugly (Castles of Burgandy). The only game on this list I actually like is Concordia and I agree with you insofar that it is too overhyped but I still think it is good. You mentioned other thematic euros instead of Concordia, you have examples? Great topic and list.
Glad you enjoyed it!
"I can't do anything in two rooms before I get fully exhausted? What kind of adventurers are you?!?!?"
THIS. This was my primary complaint with Gloomhaven. I hate games with artificial time constraints like this. It totally takes me out of the experience when I can't even take one step to the side to pick up a coin for fear of running out of stamina. I mean, I get it if the building in question is on fire, but otherwise, are you kidding me?
And Mage Knight may have the worst instruction manual in the history of gaming.
Both very correct statements!
Brilliant!! Loved this video.
Ha ha thanks, I've done an update recently as well.
Solid video. Have you considered a 10 games to start a collection with video or how to start a collection on a budget?
Check out my Top 10 Essential Games list I did recently which would satisfy your first option. :-)
Hi Luke, I love love love your videos! This one was hilarious. Castles of Burgundy and Terraforming Mars are among my favorite games, but I really enjoyed your ranting.
Awesome, thank you!!
Hey Luke, off topic question: have you every played Unmatched? It's been on my mind lately and when I saw your video title I thought maybe it was on this list. Do you know it?
I know it but never tried it.
@TheBrokenMeeple I've seen a lot of your videos but I could not guess if you'd like it. You surprise me sometimes with what you like/dislike.
Although I disagree with a lot (and I mean a LOT) of your top 10 choices, I do respect the passion you put in your thoughts. Keep up the good work m8 and never lose your spirits. Cheers from Portugal
That's what I like to hear - respect for opinions regardless of what they are. :-) I wouldn't want everyone to just follow my choices to the letter, the diversity in this hobby is what makes it interesting.
Really enjoyed this list, Luke! Sorry to hear some people couldn't handle having a different opinion. Question for you about Lorenzo - if I'm not mistaken, you do enjoy Coimbra? I really like Coimbra and was thinking that Lorenzo was similar but have never played it. I was going to pick Lorenzo up if it's in the same vein, but your comments made me think that it's probably not?
I have Coimbra, and its a dry game but the card and dice mechanic is really engaging. A much better and less restrictive game then LORENZO.
I love Terraforming Mars. I don't find luck has much bearing on it at all. We have around 10 regular players in our gaming group and nearly every game of TM is won by 2 of us. They're are so many ways to score points that you can adjust your play style based on the cards you get and win consistently.
The AP issue is massive though, and my solution is not to play it with a couple of the guys in our group because they take too long. But the rest of our group are pretty quick so that isn't a major problem for us.
The people complaining about TM being luck based don't understand how engine builders work, or better should I say, how to play them well.
Pro Tip #57 and 58... Play (combo) with what you are given and dont try to force shit that you just dont have. Don't spread yourself too thin, but calculated risks can pay dividens, especially if it is something being neglected by the rest of the table.
You are so brave haha. I totally agree with Brass, really hate it. But I like Mage Knight as solo game and I love TR especially with prelude.
Brave yes, but I have to trust that the majority enjoy the opinions rather than take it seriously!
I appreciate your honesty, keep up the great work.
Thank you. Means a lot, the troll minority have been rather vocal on Facebook and it's good to counterbalance with these from decent gamers.
Great video Luke. Don’t agree on all of this list but this was very entertaining all the same!
Glad you enjoyed regardless!
I agree on your analysis of the objective aspects of Mage Knight (like how much the game is mechanics versus theme), but I don't have the same opinion. I like the "puzzle" aspect of it so much, that I never feel the three hours passing. And to lose it never feels unsatifying. A matter of opinion, of course.
You and I have some different tastes I believe on certain games. There are many games you have shown before that I have enjoyed but you picked some games that I really enjoy to call overrated. I would imagine it is that theme matters much more to you than me.
I would put Concordia in one of my top 10 favorites and have been playing it at least once a week. GWT is also a game I really enjoy and Pfister is probably currently my favorite designer. I like Lorenzo il Magnifico but can understand some of your criticism. I backed Frosthaven as I like Gloomhaven but don't own it so it seemed like a good way to get in on the newer version. Finally I find Brass to be amazing in either version. It could also be top 10 for me.
I really enjoyed watching your video. The good thing is after watching it and knowing the difference in our tastes I will be picking up Castles of Burgandy 😉
As always greatly enjoy your videos. And this was super entertaining. Can’t agree with some but taste is personal.
Personally the games I can’t stand include Blood Rage, Through the Ages, Root and especially Gloomhaven. Gloomhaven reminds me of the old BSD Unix game of Rogue but without the ability to get in and out quickly. It requires commitment that it simply doesn’t deserve. I’m sure if someone is a big RPG fan this would be great for them but for me it’s an atrocious waste of time.
Hey dude have you played Glen More 2 yet? Would love to get your thoughts on that one.
I have once at Essen. Just the bare game. I liked it ok but was concerned about the balance between some of the scoring methods. I would like to try it some more with the modules as I don't think the base game alone would draw me back often enough.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I think the 3 point penalty per extra tile causes the unbalance, I"m considering house-ruling it.
But also how going for the people tiles or whatever they are don't seem worth it compared to doing whisky or people in Castle.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I haven't played enough of it to reach that conclusion as well, maybe if you plan your path at the clanboard well enough the people tiles are worth it? Possible balance issues aside I really dig the game. Not a real fan of mechanisms in a box euro's but I think the theme is quite strong and its really fun to play. Still hoping for a review!
- Brass Birmingham feels much better than Lancaster to me, and I see them as very different games--there's a lot more ability to sell finished goods in Birmingham, it's somewhat harder to *completely* screw yourself over, and there are plenty of other refinements and tweaks. The mechanical differences are almost on par with Terra Mystica and Gaia Project. And Manufactured Goods are viable! You have to use develop actions to get past the levels that don't do what you need at the time, though. On the other hand, pottery appears to suck almost as much as shipyards did in Lancaster.
- I liked Gloomhaven well enough the one time I played it, but I cannot imagine thinking it's the best game of all time. Pretty good dungeon crawler, though.
- The Steam: Rails to Riches app was fun for a dozen plays or so. Spending 3 to 4 hours playing the physical game, let alone 5 or 6 hours for an 18xx, wouldn't appeal to me at all, though.
- Terraforming Mars is just kind of boring. It's insanely long for what it is, the engine you're building mostly just moves cubes from lower to higher numbers, and of course the components and aesthetics are miles from even being average.
- GWT: Your opinion is wrong ;)
Shipyards, I loved them in Lancashire! With the MG's you have to make that extra effort to get to those stages which takes time and money. The other easier paths don't have that setback .
Agreed. I went for the shipyard strategy last time in Lancashire (I kept drawing all the industry cards for them and little else) almost managed to get three of them out over the course of the game, but still ended up in 3rd place. Noticed that 2(!) of the 3 locations are completely useless in the canal era, because it's impossible to supply the coal required for construction. In the end I was absolutely crushed by the player that went for the cotton and mills. Maybe shipyards could be viable due to the low competition, but in that game I sure wasn't able to make them work for me.
@@TheBrokenMeeple You do have to invest in development, but the ability to manipulate things like beer requirements and connection values makes up for it. I've had some really strong games with the goods.
Thank you for making this video. It's good to understand what reviewers dislike so that you can can tell if their tastes align with yours. Based on this, I know not to ever watch another of your reviews, because we are so widely divergent in tastes. Thanks again!
There’s a few channels where I feel the same. I still watch them knowing that if they don’t like the game it’s probably a good pick for me.
@@isaacraze4301 eh, there's enough review channels out there, I don't need one where the reviewer's tastes are so completely different than mine.
There's more to reviews than just the verdict at the end. Plus if you want constant positive verdicts except to be controversial there's always SUSD ;-) We all like different games in the end, but I still watch channels where I know we differ to hear what they have to say.
Plus I don't accept there's nothing in the collection you wouldn't enjoy. Clearly if you love these games, you're fine with themeless games or heavier titles. Pulsar 2849 is in the other room and there's a ton of Lacerda/Mindclash heavies behind me. Failing that, it won't be long before my Shelf by Shelf videos hit my Rosenberg pile.
I'll watch this later. Hope there is some love for Concordia.
So Conc is no 1 again 😆😆
Concordia is still my favorite game, but I love the hate you have for it.
Gloomhaven is one of my two favorite games and definitely my most played (finished 75 scenarios and failed some so probably 85ish plays so far) but as soon as you called it a Euro and not a dungeon crawl it made a lot of sense. Love Euros and this is the only dungeon game I like. Terraforming Mars has been a new favorite but I do agree with you on the luck of the draw bit, even while drafting.
suggestions for top ten: ten best games to play when you are tired. Whether the last game of the night or one of the players is just too tired to be "in it" but still wants to play. These games should also be of a calibre that someone with a concussion doesn't risk injury.
Me: oh this looks like a fun video. I’ll laugh at the games he offends.
#10 attacks Stefan Feld.
Me: where’s my pitchfork!
Hee hee, that was quick!
I don't get why this designer is loved so much. He's a GOOD designer. Not some god that should be able to sell a game for $80+ like in the latest Hamburg Kickstarter. Yes, I enjoyed Castles of Burgundy and will continue to do so.
@@MystiqWisdom True...but he is one of my favorites. I'm mid-weight strategy point-salad fanatic. And that so happens to be his wheel-house. However, Pfister is currently rising the ranks...
so next year is castles of tuscany going to make the list?
Who knows, I mean the cover looks bland as anything, it's practically the same uninspired name and being a Feld it will be a dry mechanical Euro! :P
Curious about your dislike of the card play in Concordia - it’s basically the same as Mission: Red Planet, which you love.
In MRP it's tied to role selection, everyone has the cards to begin with and the same cards as each other. There's room to gauge what's going to get played.
With Concordia, there isn't, however it's not that part I don't like, it's the fact that the cards themselves are tied to scoring with some being far more powerful than others. Who's winning the game with 1 VP for every 10 cash vs simply building in every region? And no-one can buy my Pilot to mess me over, but they can buy all my Vp for goods cards I was after.
I really love Concordia and TM is my favorite game... but the AP issues you brought up are definitely not unfounded!
Has Ark Nova not killed TM? ;-)
@The Broken Meeple I've got to try it out first, but that appears to be the way the community is feeling. It may end up replacing TM on BGG this year for the highest ranked game with... "unique" artwork. 😄
great video! How about a list of underrated games? Keep up the good work.
It's on the agenda given that I need to instruct the vocal minority that I do love games still! 😜 Plus the last one I did was made at the same time as this, so it's due an update.
Although I find some of these choices baffling, fair play to you for unapologetically putting the video out. I completely understand how someone could not enjoy a game like Concordia, but I'm surprised you can't find the objective qualities of the game. For me there are only a handful of games that are objectively brilliant designs, Concordia is one of them. All the best :)
Ha ha respect, but yeah, nothings going to save Concordia for me! ;-) I got 200 objectively brilliant designs in the collection already! :-)
Very entertaining and well-elaborated reasons, even though it would be hard to disagree more with your list. 4 of them in my top 10 favorites, another 4 that I enjoy, and 2 I haven't played. Even the (dis)honorable mention was opposite; I didn't like Architects of the West Kingdom, then hesitantly played Paladins and found it to be leagues better than Architects. Although I will say that a game on your shelf - Rajas of the Ganges - does the dice placement way better than Burgundy and Lorenzo. It's good to hear different and rational opinions, so I'm glad this video popped up in my recommendations.
New intro? I like it!
Intro is the same as other Top 10 lists, I just threw in this little side gag to highlight just how "hot" this kind of list can get! :P
Gloomhaven / Frosthaven not at all what it could have been if not for the puzzle of the hand management. What? I don't get to pick up the loot without wasting a card that can exhaust me before room 3? Nor can my party share gold? I don't think about the adventure or the dungeon crawl when playing, but more about will I make it to the end of the scenario? I was never immersed playing this. I purchased Gloomhaven, but did not back Frosthaven.
I understand that your #8 isn't for everyone but I will argue that the mechanics are the most thematic of any game I own.
I too love me some Runebound, Descent and other 'thematic' games-and they make up the majoroty of my personal Top 10. But your #8, and it's highly thematic mechanics, is still the king for me 🙂
That all said, I TOTALLY AGREE with your #3!!! 👍
With the single exception of Barrage, which I have not played, I could not disagree with your list more. I love your videos, and will continue watching faithfully, because none of these were a surprise. I have come to a realization though, the same realization I came to while watching Zee Garcia's videos, that if you like a game, there is a 90% chance I will like that game. But if you don't like a game, I can't rely on that as any kind of accurate indication that I will not like that game. Seriously, thank you for having strong opinions, and putting out great content.
90% chance if i like you like, but 0% if i dislike you dislike...........not sure how that works logically. :P Also Zee likes fun games and knows not everything has to be 3-4 hours long! :P
@@TheBrokenMeeple Well, not zero. It's just not a good indicator.
I found myself laughing out loud today as I saw another group of guys on TH-cam announce their top 5 games and most of the ones that you listed in this video were on their list...lol Fairly new to gaming and was looking for a worker placement game...leaning towards Viticulture.
Try Great Western Trail first. 😉😁🤯
Check out Everdell. It is not strictly a worker placement game as it also contains some other elements (like tableau building). It is dripping with theme and has a lot of replay value and even a solo mode. Overall it may check several boxes if you are just getting into gaming
Viticulture is a realy good game imo. Also a theme you can play with a lot of different types of people. And if you like the game really think about getting the expansion Tuscany. It adds a lot to the game
Dennis A, in all seriousness, Viticulture is quite grand for a first worker placement game. If that intimidates you, I’d go with Century New World or Stoneage.
@@richarddegraaf2687 Thanks. I went ahead and bought Viticulture and the Tuscany expansion based on Luke's past videos.
I tried Gloomhaven and I thought I must have been doing something wrong, because the battle mechanics seemed to me like they wouldn't have survived playtesting. Having to choose between selecting the top or the bottom part of a card is perfectly fine, gives you a decision for each card, but the whole thing about having to discard the actions and then lose the scenario because thematically the characters are so exhausted that they collapse on the way? It's ridiculous. I don't know how it's rated so high beyond the amount of scenario content it has, and the guilt of the people who spent so much money for it.
Enjoying the rants but cotton in Brass Lancashire can net you an absolute ton of points. Especially if you manage to build multiple mills and sell to a port with one action (4 instant flips is a huge swing in income and points). Also I find that strategically placed canal/rail links can be another excellent source of points.
In a way I do agree with some of your points around terraforming mars. It is long and can be pretty luck based. There are a few things that I do when playing the game to address certain issues. 1. I have only played 2 player so that speeds up the game. 2. I think there is a modification in the rules of one of the expansions that each generation you add a heat, water, or oxygen to the board. Whoever is the start player picks which one to increase at the end of their turn. 3. I don’t remember which expansion it was that gave you a starting set of resources and or power and I have to play with that in order get going faster in the first age. 4. I believe in the beginner game you don’t pay for your cards in the initial draft and it has been a while, but I believe I played it that way in order to again speed up the game. 5. This is a personal preference, but we remove all take that cards from the game. All in all with the above tweaks we can get through a game in a little over 60 minutes which is about right for this game as well as removing the cards that would mess with someone. To me take that cards only belong in games with very little to no luck. If you have take that cards and a fair bit of randomness it can really swing the game around and really take the fun out of it.
Just recently I began to appreciate and play a lot of Ticket To Ride. I love it but I must admit that I never thought of Europe just as an expansion of USA. Very interesting video. Thank you :-)
Dude. I do disagree on about half of these. But your reviews are honest, awesome, and totally entertaining. You are the dude.
I appreciate that! We don't have to agree, just have to respect. :-)
Entertaining vid!! Don't agree about concordia though. Lol. The cover is the worst though.
Ouch, this video hurts :-) Now we need those underrated games that people hate and that you love! :-)
It wasn't on the cards, but that was only Dec 2017 also.............so i guess that could use an update.
The 2nd Edition of Great Western Trail (coming out this year) has dual layered boards which Luke mentioned as a complaint. I am not a GWT fan, I don’t own the game and have never played it, but thought I would mention it. I think GWT 2nd Ed. will also feature alternate versions featuring a New Zealand map and an Argentina map.
I think you can buy third party overlays as well for the first edition. I'm sure the second edition will have improvements to the production but it's not going to make the game fun.
@@TheBrokenMeeple - LIke putting lipstick on a pig?
Love the independence of mind. Thanks for bringing real conviction to this video. Applause!
Many are afraid to say bad things about any games. Not I - someone in this industry has to be honest. Don't forget to watch the live stream update to this!
I would love to see a playthrough of Terraforming Mars plus all the expansions with Luke and four other very AP prone players. Comedy gold...or potential crime scene ;-)
Crime scene definitely! A large test of patience!
I tend to agree with Luke on several of these game. I'm not a fan of Concordia, Mage Knight, and Barrage. I'm also not as big on Terraforming Mars as most of the people in my gaming group. I do think the game can overstay its welcome unless played with 2 or 3 players. Of these games, the only one I enjoy playing quite often is Lorenzo ll Magnifico. I still haven't played Castles of Burgundy, but I've never been of fan of games by Stefan Feld.
I always enjoy hearing the reasons why board gamers either like or dislike certain games. Thanks for the video, Luke!!
I'll pick a strong game mechanic over a strong theme every time. BTW, Barrage is one of my favorite games of all time! Thanks Luke.
Arrrghh Barrage! :P
Then again, Power Grid was my favorite game for longest time so I just think we have different tastes in Euros. Out of curiosity, if you could have a collection of nothing more than all games developed (or co-developed) by a single designer, who would it be? Would you go for a designer who gave you more of the same thing you really enjoy or one who offers great variety across themes/mechanics? Or am I suggesting a new future top 10 topic???
Not everything is better with beer and I’m a gin man anyway, so it figures that I prefer Brass Lancashire over Birmingham. Thank you for recognizing the succes of Brass by including it on this list. Though I feel the two Brass games are different enough they each deserve their own spot on your list, so I’m a bit bummed you didn’t have them as number 4 AND number 3. :/
And then maybe the original Brass from TreeFrog Games at 5.... you see, you could have had Brass 3 times on your list.
Sincerely, a Brass fanboy.
Both Gloomhaven and Concordia have the action retrieval mechanism. Could you see yourself liking a game with this mechanism, if it has a cool unique immersive theme? Or do you just don 't like how this mechanism is implemented in these games?
The implementation in those games doesn't work for me. But then they have other more bigger issues that stop me playing them. The mechanic has been used nicely in other games like Aquatica, Raptor, Mission Red Planet to name a few.
Has your top 10 changed much since your last top 50/100 ? Curious to see what your top 10 is this week. Of course, I want to know so that I can force my top 10 on you. Mine is the definitive list of course. I am curious to see if you would rip any of mine apart. I enjoy the ranting the most on these types of channels. Its fun debate.
He he, I think a few games will have changed on the, probably 50/50. I'll have to update my Top 100 this summer.
I'm sorry but this list was mind blowing 😂 and Barrage is AMAZING, besides the very odd Worden mixers and excavators those belong in On Mars or soemthing.
Space invaders!! :P
I own Gloomhaven and Mage Knight but I do enjoy these for the puzzle they put in front of you! But for theme purpose there is so many other dungeon crawls I would rather play! The game I agree with you the most is GWT, I played this once and I was like what's so good about this game! I hated the deck of cows! I am not a train fan also but I do have to say I love Colt Express! Breathe Luke Breathe!
Ha ha! Train game fans would have your head for including Colt Express in there!
At last, someone said it about Brass! It's number the 3 on BGG now but who cares? If I wanted to became an accountant, I would become one and get paid for it, not play it in a board game for "fun"...
Great video btw! I think you only have the guts to do these for those "well loved games", so can you do one with the most boring themes? I don't think anyone ever done it (maybe there is such a vid in Dice Tower) but I can't stand another train themed game, trading in the Med or strategy game with Romans vs X historic nation.
I'll see what I can drum up. I need to plan out how I'm doing top lists in the future as some will be video and some will be podcast.
Mage Knight is one of my favourite solo games...even though I agree with pretty much every point you made about it. 😂
Mage friggin Knight. Well said!
The big problem with the ranking for subsequent editions and versions of a game is that people that didn't like the previous version won't play the new one so won't rate it, and people that liked the previous version will usually like the update and rate it highly. So the versions don't get a balanced rating.
Great video don't agree with all of the choices but thats normal😊 ( specialy GWT 😜) but my nr 3 games of 2019 are
Wingspan terramarra and it's a wonderfull world
Keep it up luke 👍
Thanks for sharing!!
I am going to buy The Castles of Burgundy but you are right it's themeless. I'm also receiving, The Crown of Emara. I would be interested in seeing you do a review. If you have please direct me to it. I am also liking mechanics more but you are right theme draws you in. I think mechanics are more of a hardcore gamer thing.
Except I do like good mechanics, heavy ones as well, but the theme has to make me want to come back for a 2nd go. Mechanics alone aren't enough to escape reality in a board game. A strong theme can forgive small mechanical issues.
I've played Crown of Emara, but didn't do a review. The game mechanically is fine. No issues with it. But it just felt like another Euro game, no theme at all so it just fades into the background.
I like this video a lot. Its an opinion of someone who adores the hobby and knows a lot about it. Lucky that we don’t live in a world where we all think the same 😁. I haven’t played many games on this list. Agree with balancing issue of terraforming mars - was disappointed with gloomhaven ( I fell for the hype) . Mage Knight is one of my most loved games - I believe the level of strategy as well as the whole graph world that unfolds are thematic enough you don’t need “a story”. Ps : I don’t buy into the hype of wingspan ..... I tried 4 times .... I don’t like the game. Peace ✌️
Someone gets it! :-) Thankfully 90% of watchers do get it. The other 10% on Facebook groups do like to make themselves known however, but they're all stuck in their tiny bubbles unable to accept anyone being critical over anything.
The amount of salt applied to your hatred of Terraforming Mars gives me absolute life .. Glad I'm not the only one who was bored out of my skull on that one... And I won.
Ha ha glad we agree! Before the end of this year there will be a revised list covering other titles from the last 5 years in this regard.
@@TheBrokenMeeple Looking forward to it. Maybe we just aren't "those" kind of gamers. I love me a good engine builder, but it's got to play fast or I die inside.
A list like this is useful because players need some help in narrowing down where there should focus their attention in the sea of games out there. In general, I only play about once a week and buy about 10 games a year. There is a fairly high overhead of time to learn a new game; it's not like watching a movie. My time and money are limited, and I want a good chance of a pay off for the investment.
It's interesting that Luke generally confirmed my impressions about several games that seemed to be "must haves" when I got into the hobby about a year ago. I've held off on C of B (the reprint that still looks bad didn't help), Gloomhaven, Brass, and Concordia. I'm pretty sure I won't miss them.
I agree with you about the list except with Brass and Concordia.
Brass Birmingham it's totally different from Lancashire, I really love Birmingham and Lancashire it's a ok game with a lot punishing. In Birmingham every game it's different because you randomise the market tiles; you can mitigate the lucky on card drafting with the scout action; and also I saw someone won the game with the manufactories, so...
About Concordia, it's a easy and clever game with a deep strategy behind the cards you buy, and you have some map expansions with new rules, like Creta/Aegyptus maps.
Castles of Burgundy is generally fun, but the rest is pretty bad. I play Gloomhaven from time to time, but I don't understand how people like it so much. It is unique, but it is also frustrating to get to the table and terribly slow in progression.
I agree so much with your choices!
Luke, you’ve become one of my most respected reviewer‘s. You offer personal opinions backed by thorough explanations that are based off of multiple interactions with said game AND compare it to others within the same genre. Some people put up reviews without even doing a single full play-through. Or worse, they do a run-through without even understanding the rules. All for the sake of pushing out content and stamping it with positive reception.
It also helps that we seem to have very similar tastes in games... My collection is probably pushing 5k USD and the only game I have on this top 10 list is Brass, but it’s Birmingham (and I’ve yet to actually play it bc something else always makes it to the table haha). I wanted so bad to back Frosthaven after missing out on Gloomhaven, so I got the digital version on Steam to get a sense for the mechanics. Granted, it’s not a complete game, but I literally fell asleep at my laptop multiple times. The game is boring as hell! I can’t even imagine what the physical version would be like. Just in the time it would take to set-up and tear-down, I could’ve played something else. It was a pass for me.
Luke I've not watched yet but will be disappointed if your "anti-grail" game great western trail is not on here...
Having watched enough of your vids I can probably guess a few of them...
I'll take a watch and comment again...😁
Mage Knight is King :) Definitely not for everyone, I admit, but I quite love it.
when you played Barrage, probably you played with people that weren't able to play it at all. It's a really punishing game, when you learn to play it. You have to do more than a single game of it. This is the reason why it is climbing on bgg. People are playing it, and learning how deep and well balanced it is.
Played it enough times prob 4 or so and that's with both new and vet players - plenty enough to know if I hate the game or not. I know you're trying to find that loophole somewhere, everyone does! :P And the game is climbing because it's had wider distribution now, the last part is subjective.
I normally agree with you, but about Brass, I can't. The mechanics are great! The two era's feel great. The first player mechanic is really nice, your cards can be used for everything which I like. It's an awesome economic simulation type game. It could be that you don't like that type of game, but if you do this is the best one out there. I think that's the reason it's so high. Don't get me wrong, I can imagine people not liking this game, but that's mostly because of their taste more than about the quality of the game. One more thing, I think it's not too bad when you get behind. This game is a lot shorter than most heavy games. When you know this game you can play it within an hour to an hour and a half. Ofcourse, it's just my opinion! btw I still loved the video, I do agree with some of them! Keep up the good work!
I love terraforming mars but im biased for hard sci-fi theme lol
We finally get our first print of GWT 2nd ed. here, long after 1st one's prices of secondhand copies skyrocketed, since it's been missing on the market. I was thinking, whether I should get it or not. I am seeing everyone say GET IT, GET IT, IT'S THE BEST, yet somehow whenever I see the board, I feel that it might be not for me. Finally someone says that it might not be as good. :D I have to find some gameplay to finally decide if I want to get it or not. I had similar issue with mentioned Paladins of WK, which I skipped in the end.
Even after all this time I stand by that GWT is overrated!
Hmmm man. I like your channel very much even though we don t have the same preferences in the boardgames, but this is very healthy, isn’t it? But I can t even describe how much me and my friends we disagree about what you said about two of the games you consider overrated. Mage knight, and brass. Come on man... Mage Kingston is a pioneer for strategy game and so, but so so thematic. And brass.... What can I say about brass. Wallace is a genius. Every time we play we know it will be a deep, fun, mind blowing 2 hour piece of our life... Thanks anyway for your effort...
Disagreement is fine. Its not trying to convert people, just get people talking. 👍 And its healthy enough for those who enjoy watching a guy give his views, after all, we all like different games. 😉
I love Castles of Burgundy but I'm with you with the other 9. Will not spend a dime for them.
I clicked Like at number 9 only to find out number 8 is my favorite game of all time Mage Knight🤦♂️
.... oh well: great video anyway 😁
I can relate to some of these but GWT? Cmon - always fun ;)
I wish it were the same, but it never has been!
Thank you for making the Muttley reference and the Terraforming Mars rant make up for the rest of the video ;)
Jokes aside, I like Concordia a decent bunch, but I'm somewhat with you on the blandness and the overblown variability of the non-special-rule maps. They look super pretty, but they're essentially just a web of cities connected by either land or sea. The specific geographical locations don't do anything unique except in few cases on certain maps. The second thing that gripes me a bit is that strategies overlap more than what is usually admitted. Yes, they differ, but for example, building in my first X type city in a new region helps me in like... every category except Mars (# of colonists), given I have the Minerva card for X. And if you're taking the "spread out a lot" path, you want more colonists to increase your movement. I haven't played the Venus expansion, but I guess the Venus god helps balancing this quite well, giving you 2 points for every region you have 2+ houses in (making a not-spread-out-so-much strategy more viable). There's always the choice of going more or less for cards, but the need to balance it with building makes everybody end up doing a lot of the same things. I would have liked it better if, depending on chosen strategy, there were always some non-Minerva cards that were almost *completely* useless to you. Anyways, bought the Salsa expansion recently, and playing with the Forum tiles the game hits the table once in a while.
OK over half of this list are among my favourite games. And I don't like any of the games on your top 10 of all time list except 7WD. Maybe I should start following your channel just to find out what games you DON'T like so I can get them lol
Well they can't be over-rated if no-one likes these games can they? ;-)
@@TheBrokenMeeple Exactly :D
I just knew that Concordia had to be up there. Kinda forgot how he hates Terraforming Mars and Castles of Burgundy.
1-4 along with 8 and 10 are all staples in my collection. I also have Railways of the World coming, since great lighter euro games that play 6 are always welcome in my collection.
Lol, different strokes! :P
Those Pfister ninja cows really got to you huh? Ever considered seeing a therapist for your GWT cow PTSD?
top 10 overrated is by far my favorite format, good job
I'm a die hard eurogamer so what can I say about this list :D! Enjoyed the video thoroughly nonetheless!
"Off the rails on train games" I see what you did there... And you're right in the "niche category" assessment.
I do think that Birmingham is kind of a non-backwards compatible stand alone expansion... But I also love the game.
Some people just enjoy highly competitive puzzles that are very unforgiving without much regard for visuals or theme. Those people love Barrage and are right to do so. You are obviously not one of those people :)
Definitely not, unforgiving games don't tend to sit well with me.
The Broken Meeple Yeah, definitely not for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that!
I am not going to bash on you for any of your opinions no way. I appreiciate the content!! Only thing is when you criticized GWT about not being like a typical western I had a chuckle. I live in the western U.S. and my family were pioneers. Most of what went on here was ranching like seen in GWT and KC was the hotspot for distrubution to the West. Movies love to paint the west as wild, but that was actually short lived. Most people were cattle ranchers and dairy farmers! My family in particular came to Oregon and started a lumber enterprise near the coast.
Definitely a movie perception issue! 😜 Though I don't really watch westerns either. For me Western Legends and Carson City fill my Western vibe in games.
I can see your point on train games, but I like the theme. My question is, though, what's the difference between games of any other genre? A dungeon crawl is a dungeon crawl. A tile placement area control game is a tile placement area control game. A trump taking card game is a trump taking card game. Any genre can be boiled down to one or two mechanics. It's the extra, unique differences that make games stand out. Russian Rails is a train game with unique mechanics. 18xx games are not really train games, they're stock market games. If the focus of a 'train' game is not on rail system design and pickup/deliver, it's not a train game, it's a game with a train theme.
Feld's "Oracle of Delphi" is pretty thematic and fun!
I've never heard Thematic associated with any Feld! :P
@@TheBrokenMeeple Ok sorry! Just pretend you did not read nothing I have written :D
Interesting list... There's a lot I agree with including Gloomhaven; which is tedious but Jaws of the Lion is a vast improvement. Terraforming Mars is utterly dull though, shocking game considering all the hype and love it gets.
If publishers cash in on the success of a good game by bringing out more expansions and updates and variations, well, it's still a good game, it doesn't turn it into an over-rated game.
Which one specifically here?
Spot on!!
I periodically look at the BGG ratings to try and find the next game to buy. I keep looking at Castles of Burgundy because of its rating, I watch a few review videos and a play through and always get to the same point - why? I can't see why this game gets so much love. I keep looking into this game and can't figure out why I'd like it.
I'm the same, a games on the list feel that way. I keep thinking I should own them due to the hype, but I feel I would not like them. After this video I'm glad I did not buy them.
Lol - can we find a better theme (than the Church) for games set in Medieval Europe? Dude, that was the theme of basically EVERYTHING at that place and time. There are a ton of futuristic space-themed games, and I can pretty much guarantee that none of them has a church track.
Wouldn't put it past one to have a space church 🤣
Can't believe #3 wasn't #1. Can I make it my # -100? A supremely DRAB experience....
I look forward to re-doing this list but only for the last 5 years.
For gloomhaven i agree only for the hard setup, it needs an organizer. But with a good organizer its fast enough to setup it. As for the 3 hours for one session, man your group must be very slow.... we could do easy 2 sessions with 3 players, in that time.
I remember the first game with 4 players taking over 3-4 hours. And i regularly see others taking forever. But including the setup for anyone without a dedicated costly organizer, it's still a mammoth. I got 4-5 other adventure games in my collection I can setup in no time at all, some because of app assistance I admit, but then that's a plus! Maybe for Frosthaven, he should have considered app integration.
Wow, this video really suprised me! Really good comments. Yeah, the BGG ranking is broken.
I know, right?
The church played a huge role in Medieval times. Sorry, but if that's the setting, it's probably going to be a part of you are going for the theme. But anyway.