Excellent and thorough review without being overly long. I'll be curious to know your thought with some of the updates like the revamped combat that just dropped on the Korea servers.
Nice video, it appears that the entire game is changing prior to release. I wish we were getting an opportunity to test changes. I don't mind the tab targeting, but its messy and rarely targets the nearest enemy. The voice overs were ok, but the npcs are still speaking Korean, reminded me of a couple of old comedy skits. GVG battles will no doubt we exclusive to the best players on the server, ala NW. Open world will be zerg v zerg. I think the biggest ptw area will be weapon upgrades, specifically the trait system. There is too much RNG involved. Two weapons are ok, but I personally think GW2 does a much better job for a game of its age. I had quite a few disconnects where I was unable to get back into the game without stopping it in Steam and restarting. Overall, I think its another transitional game.
amazing review and video, such a soothing voice haha. I Love this game i´ve been playing in kr for some time now, and the new skill revamp makes this game an entire different experience, amazon really missed the shot by not waiting a bit longer for the open beta until they could show this new changes which happend just after the beta ended zzzz. PS: sorry if my english is not the best y,y
A few things. Newest update in korea changes battle. So it should not feel like it did in the beta. The same update added the option to fish and cook meals if one chose to focus on stuff to do alone. I also think that if you want a single player experience, then don't play an mmo heavily focused around guilds and guild activities. Go play a single player game if the experience you are looking for is single player. Also for me the story felt the same just with a different character: "Please help me solve this issue. Oh, surprise I am actually the bad guy". Happened so often it became a meme. On a note regarding the battle. If the tab target system feels outdated, do you have any suggestions for how it would be better for mass PvP in world bosses and sieges, because if you make it like BDO is just a flashy unfun mess without any cordination or tactics. Also for PvP you have a counterattack button which will allow you to target whatever last hit you I believe. Not sure if that works for PvE though.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience in the game! We've also been testing out the latest update and will be discussing it in a future video. New World is an example of massive scale content with no tab target system. There's tons of action combat games out there and while I like the feel of classic combat in Throne I would like to see a bit of improvements to the action combat.
Combat and skill are ok for me specially at high end but movement still kind of weird, also the way that camera moves and i've tried a lot of configurations and nothing seems to work.
@@KaiNifty Yes I have but my problem is when i want to give a fast turn and it's like the camera slow for no reason, this only happens in this game also so no a mouse or software issue.
I cant hear this: "Tab targeting" is outdated anymore.. its like saying turn based in singleplayer rpgs like Baldurs Gate is outdated. Every MMO has the right to do different combat systems! Plus tab targeting has huge advantages in PVP over aim-target combat systems. You can tactically target healers in the back rows to attack/sleep them etc. Whereas as action combats often are dumbed down in complexity and skill variety also. People need to stop act so intolerant towards different combat systems.. The game wants to cater oldschool players of games like Lineage II and Dark Age of Camelot which are one of the best PVP MMORPGs to date ... for a reason. And aim-targeting vs. tab targeting combat systems offer different skill types.. in aim-targeting its about aiming and evading right.. while tab targeting draws your skill more from chosing the right skill in the right situation, a more tactical RPG approach to me.
NOPE, the game was planned to be a mobile game, and the combat is a vestige, clear evidence can be found during the first KR beta. Just look at their other title Lineage 2M, TL was supposed to be Lineage 3M and TL a game more close to Lost Ark, then they just decided ditched that concept and went for the lowest hanging fruit. So yes, TL tab-target *feels* dated, because it's rooted into a mobile game design now they have been trying to derail from it, but even ArcheAge and Blade & Soul have a better mix of Tab target and action combat.
tab target being able to aim healers like having aim bot is not an advantage in PVP, it might be an advantage for dps players but not for healers, so that argument can go both ways, so I would say thats a neutral arguemnt.
I love many tab target games, but I was under the impression this was an action combat MMO and went into it thinking such. This assumption led to much frustration with the "action mode" and all in all, on launch, I will be playing in classic mode as full tab target if I play at all.
Hopefully, in the future we can get more separation between the 2 combat systems. Currently, I don't feel there's enough incentive to switch from classic mode.
@@KaiNifty Oh there absolutely is. How about the fact that while it's not true action combat, in action mode, you don't have to hold down the mouse button to look around and can simply focus on the fight and use your SELECT NEXT TARGET key bind to select the target / object you want to interact with. Simple. However, if using action mode, you do have to turn the game's mouse sensitivity up to max (and maybe even increase your mouse's DPI speed to compensate - annoying) Also, there won't be "separation" between action and classic mode because this game will always be tab-target. The only thing that action mode changes, is providing the convenience of not having to hold down right mouse button to look around. That's literally it. But I will take that convenience in a heart beat.
Personally I prefer group content, but there's always gonna be times when people wanna just chill and do some solo content. It's good to have a healthy balance to keep player number up.
LOL.. you can tell this girl isn't an oldschool MMO gamer because she doesn't even understand how tab-targeting works. "the enemy you currently engaged is the enemy you are STUCK attacking, meaning if another enemy becomes agroed, you can't just look at them and use an ability while you are still engaged" OMG this is how tab-targeting works, if you want to engage a DIFFERNT enemy while you are currently fighting one, all you have to do is use your SELECT NEXT TARGET KEYBIND to select the second enemy! This is EXACTLY how Wow's tab-targeting works (or ANY tab-target MMO for that matter). I do it all the time, but yes, in a tab-targeting world, you can't just look and use a skill, and there aren't many MMOs where you can do that because most MMOs don't have TRUE action combat. Name of the game. But again, if you don't come from oldschool MMO days (i'm old) then it's no wonder you don't understand this. Also, be sure you aren't binding a key to Target LOCK as opposed to the one that simply selects the "NEXT TARGET" might want to check that out before you criticize a game for literally being what it says it is: A TAB-TARGET GAME. LOL Personally, I love tab-target because you have a high degree of control over which target you are fighting, and with boss mechanics, sometimes this is a MUST. Certain mechanics might punish your for damaging the wrong target by accident, for example.
I've been playing MMOs since the early 2000s, and I am going to grade a game on every aspect. As much as I enjoyed Throne, it has areas that need improvement. Action combat is one of those areas; there are plenty of games that have done it better, going all the way back to TERA in 2011, Neverwinter in 2013, BDO in 2016, and New World in 2021. As for the classic mode that focuses on the tab targeting system, it is far superior to the action combat, and I'd highly recommend using it over the action mode.
I dont care about tab targeting or action based combat, because it was never ever a thing that was driven me to stop playing a mmorpg. The biggest problem is the lack of multiplayer content and the problem are the shit mobile games. I want to play a mmorpg with my wife or friends from the tutorial until the end, every scenario and dungeon etc. but this shit single player content destroys every mmorpg feeling and pisses me off. In the year 2024 it should be no problem to scale every boss for 1 or more players and let fighr scenario together. Mmorpgs nowadays dont feel anymore like a mmorpg, its more a single player game with some multiplayer aspects, and that kills every never mmorpg for me and my friends and wife.
I played Throne and Liberty for over 100h on Korean servers and it was good until you realise that unless u r in a top guild you wont be able to do any content at all. There is a huge portion of teh game locked in behind PvP, even quests can be in a PvP zone. You wont beable to complete those evens/quests to get key items to enhence your gear and usually server top guild just farms those none stop. Since there are limited amount of players that can be in a guild if you casual u wont be able to get in at all. Long story short, dont waste your time with this one.
The combat is shit, if it was good it could have been a good game... But clearly still feels like mobile autoplay game(which is originally was made for)
the combat is like every oldschool MMORPG with tab targeting like WoW, FF14, GW2, Lineage II or Dark Age of Camelot.. but okay bro. People are so dumb these days, it hurts.
Excellent and thorough review without being overly long. I'll be curious to know your thought with some of the updates like the revamped combat that just dropped on the Korea servers.
Currently testing it right now and will be talking about it in another video after more time of testing all the weapons!
Honestly, the new "update" is pretty major. The game feels like a new game
Nice review
Nice video, it appears that the entire game is changing prior to release. I wish we were getting an opportunity to test changes. I don't mind the tab targeting, but its messy and rarely targets the nearest enemy. The voice overs were ok, but the npcs are still speaking Korean, reminded me of a couple of old comedy skits.
GVG battles will no doubt we exclusive to the best players on the server, ala NW. Open world will be zerg v zerg.
I think the biggest ptw area will be weapon upgrades, specifically the trait system. There is too much RNG involved. Two weapons are ok, but I personally think GW2 does a much better job for a game of its age.
I had quite a few disconnects where I was unable to get back into the game without stopping it in Steam and restarting. Overall, I think its another transitional game.
I'm actually testing the new version currently and will be talking about it soon. Also thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience on the game.
That should be called "HONEST Thoughts On Throne & Liberty BETA".
amazing review and video, such a soothing voice haha.
I Love this game i´ve been playing in kr for some time now, and the new skill revamp makes this game an entire different experience, amazon really missed the shot by not waiting a bit longer for the open beta until they could show this new changes which happend just after the beta ended zzzz.
PS: sorry if my english is not the best y,y
Thank you so much for the compliment! I also feel that if they waited it would have given a much better impression for a lot of newcomers.
The only issue I have with this game is the controls. Movement and attack, i hope they fix it.
It's come a long way since the original combat system so hopefully they keep pushing in a good direction!
@wonderkitoy2487 the Korean version got a huge new update and people are saying combat has been improved significantly
Solid review.
My guild and I plan to be there on full release, but I can't promise that we'll stay.
That's perfectly ok! I hope you guy's have fun with however much time you decide to put into it.
A few things. Newest update in korea changes battle. So it should not feel like it did in the beta. The same update added the option to fish and cook meals if one chose to focus on stuff to do alone. I also think that if you want a single player experience, then don't play an mmo heavily focused around guilds and guild activities. Go play a single player game if the experience you are looking for is single player.
Also for me the story felt the same just with a different character: "Please help me solve this issue. Oh, surprise I am actually the bad guy". Happened so often it became a meme.
On a note regarding the battle. If the tab target system feels outdated, do you have any suggestions for how it would be better for mass PvP in world bosses and sieges, because if you make it like BDO is just a flashy unfun mess without any cordination or tactics. Also for PvP you have a counterattack button which will allow you to target whatever last hit you I believe. Not sure if that works for PvE though.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience in the game! We've also been testing out the latest update and will be discussing it in a future video.
New World is an example of massive scale content with no tab target system. There's tons of action combat games out there and while I like the feel of classic combat in Throne I would like to see a bit of improvements to the action combat.
Combat and skill are ok for me specially at high end but movement still kind of weird, also the way that camera moves and i've tried a lot of configurations and nothing seems to work.
Have you tired playing in classic mode? If you ask me it fixes a lot of the issues with camera and targeting.
@@KaiNifty Yes I have but my problem is when i want to give a fast turn and it's like the camera slow for no reason, this only happens in this game also so no a mouse or software issue.
They have a option for increasing the sensitivity in the options menu of the game. I also had to turn it up due to the camera's slow reaction time.
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Went back in the memory bank for that one
for me nothing out there worth playing till I tried this game beta and am hooked I cant w8 for the globe release
That's awesome! Hope you have a great time come September
@@KaiNifty oh i know i would
Great informative video! Thanks. Subbed.
Thanks for the compliment and welcome to the community!
Is the story good doesn’t need to be groundbreaking or anything but I need something with a descent story after Dawntrails msq
@@mariogentry4238 I wouldn't recommend it you're interested in a good story, I found a few parts interesting, but overall it was just ok
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I cant hear this: "Tab targeting" is outdated anymore.. its like saying turn based in singleplayer rpgs like Baldurs Gate is outdated. Every MMO has the right to do different combat systems! Plus tab targeting has huge advantages in PVP over aim-target combat systems. You can tactically target healers in the back rows to attack/sleep them etc. Whereas as action combats often are dumbed down in complexity and skill variety also. People need to stop act so intolerant towards different combat systems.. The game wants to cater oldschool players of games like Lineage II and Dark Age of Camelot which are one of the best PVP MMORPGs to date ... for a reason. And aim-targeting vs. tab targeting combat systems offer different skill types.. in aim-targeting its about aiming and evading right.. while tab targeting draws your skill more from chosing the right skill in the right situation, a more tactical RPG approach to me.
NOPE, the game was planned to be a mobile game, and the combat is a vestige, clear evidence can be found during the first KR beta. Just look at their other title Lineage 2M, TL was supposed to be Lineage 3M and TL a game more close to Lost Ark, then they just decided ditched that concept and went for the lowest hanging fruit.
So yes, TL tab-target *feels* dated, because it's rooted into a mobile game design now they have been trying to derail from it, but even ArcheAge and Blade & Soul have a better mix of Tab target and action combat.
tab target being able to aim healers like having aim bot is not an advantage in PVP, it might be an advantage for dps players but not for healers, so that argument can go both ways, so I would say thats a neutral arguemnt.
I love many tab target games, but I was under the impression this was an action combat MMO and went into it thinking such. This assumption led to much frustration with the "action mode" and all in all, on launch, I will be playing in classic mode as full tab target if I play at all.
The tab targeting frustrates me esp when playing a tank
Hopefully, in the future we can get more separation between the 2 combat systems. Currently, I don't feel there's enough incentive to switch from classic mode.
@@KaiNifty Update. I switched to classic mode and I started to have fun :)
@@KaiNifty Oh there absolutely is. How about the fact that while it's not true action combat, in action mode, you don't have to hold down the mouse button to look around and can simply focus on the fight and use your SELECT NEXT TARGET key bind to select the target / object you want to interact with. Simple. However, if using action mode, you do have to turn the game's mouse sensitivity up to max (and maybe even increase your mouse's DPI speed to compensate - annoying) Also, there won't be "separation" between action and classic mode because this game will always be tab-target. The only thing that action mode changes, is providing the convenience of not having to hold down right mouse button to look around. That's literally it. But I will take that convenience in a heart beat.
No solo content as cons :D hahah in a MMORPG game ;D
Personally I prefer group content, but there's always gonna be times when people wanna just chill and do some solo content. It's good to have a healthy balance to keep player number up.
Nice clean video
Thank you for the compliment!
Great review! Can you share your PC build for throne and liberty? Thanks :)
Thank you!
PC Specs -
Tower: HYTE Y70
GPU: RTX 4080
CPU: Ryzen 7900X
CPU Cooler: H150i
MOBO: ASUS X670E Pro
RAM: GSKILL Trident Z
awesome! thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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LOL.. you can tell this girl isn't an oldschool MMO gamer because she doesn't even understand how tab-targeting works. "the enemy you currently engaged is the enemy you are STUCK attacking, meaning if another enemy becomes agroed, you can't just look at them and use an ability while you are still engaged" OMG this is how tab-targeting works, if you want to engage a DIFFERNT enemy while you are currently fighting one, all you have to do is use your SELECT NEXT TARGET KEYBIND to select the second enemy!
This is EXACTLY how Wow's tab-targeting works (or ANY tab-target MMO for that matter). I do it all the time, but yes, in a tab-targeting world, you can't just look and use a skill, and there aren't many MMOs where you can do that because most MMOs don't have TRUE action combat. Name of the game. But again, if you don't come from oldschool MMO days (i'm old) then it's no wonder you don't understand this.
Also, be sure you aren't binding a key to Target LOCK as opposed to the one that simply selects the "NEXT TARGET" might want to check that out before you criticize a game for literally being what it says it is: A TAB-TARGET GAME. LOL Personally, I love tab-target because you have a high degree of control over which target you are fighting, and with boss mechanics, sometimes this is a MUST. Certain mechanics might punish your for damaging the wrong target by accident, for example.
I've been playing MMOs since the early 2000s, and I am going to grade a game on every aspect. As much as I enjoyed Throne, it has areas that need improvement. Action combat is one of those areas; there are plenty of games that have done it better, going all the way back to TERA in 2011, Neverwinter in 2013, BDO in 2016, and New World in 2021. As for the classic mode that focuses on the tab targeting system, it is far superior to the action combat, and I'd highly recommend using it over the action mode.
I dont care about tab targeting or action based combat, because it was never ever a thing that was driven me to stop playing a mmorpg. The biggest problem is the lack of multiplayer content and the problem are the shit mobile games. I want to play a mmorpg with my wife or friends from the tutorial until the end, every scenario and dungeon etc. but this shit single player content destroys every mmorpg feeling and pisses me off. In the year 2024 it should be no problem to scale every boss for 1 or more players and let fighr scenario together. Mmorpgs nowadays dont feel anymore like a mmorpg, its more a single player game with some multiplayer aspects, and that kills every never mmorpg for me and my friends and wife.
I played Throne and Liberty for over 100h on Korean servers and it was good until you realise that unless u r in a top guild you wont be able to do any content at all. There is a huge portion of teh game locked in behind PvP, even quests can be in a PvP zone. You wont beable to complete those evens/quests to get key items to enhence your gear and usually server top guild just farms those none stop. Since there are limited amount of players that can be in a guild if you casual u wont be able to get in at all. Long story short, dont waste your time with this one.
you didnt mention anything pvp wise and this is mostly a pvp game..this is not wow people there dont just kill mobs
This video covered the beta and what we were allowed access to we mentioned that during the overview.
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Thanks so much Tergo it was great playing with you guys! Look forward to seeing you at launch.
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Thanks for all the support!
@@KaiNifty always. Love your channel
A MIX WITH BDO AND NEW WORLD? HAHAHAHAHAH DFQ?
I broke down in the video which elements I am referring to
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The combat is shit, if it was good it could have been a good game... But clearly still feels like mobile autoplay game(which is originally was made for)
the combat is like every oldschool MMORPG with tab targeting like WoW, FF14, GW2, Lineage II or Dark Age of Camelot.. but okay bro. People are so dumb these days, it hurts.