We don't need tractors , harvesters or construction equipment with computers. We need reliable equipment that is easy to fix and maintain. The automakers are doing the same thing . And most of it is junk from the start .
You are so right on this. Old equipment was reliable and easier to work on. The sawmill I worked at ran older Cat front end loaders for many years. They relaced 3 with a Komatsu brand. The "bean counter" figured newer models would be more fuel efficient. (they were a little) The oldest Komatsu had 17000 hours on it and had axle issues. We were told that was about the life expectancy of a WA450. The WA500 was down several times a month with Regen issues on the tier 4 system. The Cat 980's had over 30,000 hours on them and were still running at the plant auction.
If I can't fix it, I don't want it. I will never buy one after helping my neighbour using his unit when he was ill. Just junk! I know no one who actually likes JD's farm implements newer than 15 years old. My 30year old Case will outdo anything JD has in the same class, get fixed by me IF it breaks down, with only one trip to my parts supplier in just a day or two; no paying to ship it 100 miles there, hoping they fixed it, and 100 miles back either! Why trade a reliable unit that I own for junk that you will never own because of the "proprietary electronics ownership" issue?
The right to repair issue will kill JD in the long run. Imagine you buy a $1,000,000 combine with attachments and because of one faulty sensor be down until a JD tech can order and install the part. Now imagine the sensor is a generic part John Deere buys from a vendor that you could buy locally and install yourself quickly and cheaply. Farm products are time sensitive. Sometimes the crop will be lost before the tech can get there.
It's a general problem, manufacturers are engineering equipment in ways that requires major tear downs for simple repairs. There is no reason that something that was a simple one hour repair in the previous model should take multiple hours and the replacement of several desposable parts. You make maintenance and repairs nearly impossable then cry because people won't buy your product. When you treat your customers so badly, they will becom someone elses customers.
@@greggarsenault4457 it's called greed. Charge whatever you want but deliver a quality product, charging more and delivering lesser quality is just wrong. People are not stupid when they are spending hard earned money.
John Deere abandoned their core customer with that stupid proprietary software lawsuit. Their attempt to build motorized computers with more complex circuitry than the space shuttle resulted in unreliable junk. Then they made it illegal (impossible) to work on your own equipment. It seems like JD would rather sell pink Tshirts and car tags to teenage girls at cracker barrel.
Yep. Throwing climate change into your rationale immediately shows you don’t really understand the issues and will therefore be incapable of coming to a good solution.
Until 1996 I was a Dairy Farmer in Australia, My main Tractor was a Zetor 6011, with full chassis frame to support a Front End Loader. We did our own servicing, and despite the users manual being a poor translation, we never had a problem in seventeen years. When is comes to Farm Equipment, we used the KISS method, Keep It Simple Stupid.
I will tell you where the next big Automotive and Agricultural vehicles and machines will be best sellers. The first one to go back to ergonomically simple to add accessories. And simple to operate. By no computers and simple mechanical operation. Keep it simple and economical. Put longevity into the product. First one to do this and stay with it will be successful.
I know nothing about farm equipment but I had a similar problem with my wife's car. One headlight needed replacement. I'm 76 yr old and have changed many car lights. I opened the hood and located the bad bulb but it was obvious that you couldn't access it. I went on the web and searched for diy video. Found you needed to disassemble bumper cover and several other parts including the headlight module. I don't have a auto lift and am too old to crawl around under a car. Had to take to dealership and it cost over $300.
My wife's car is similar. On one side, the headlights are easy to get to, but on the other side it is nearly impossible, unless you have incredibly long and skinny arms, with very small hands. On top of that, I very seriously suspect that the motor has been purposefully engineered to start burning oil after 100 thousand miles. Ridiculous.
@@StillLivinginthewoods No, but if you have an "Interference engine" where the valves hit the pistons when the timing chains fail, then you have a boat anchor in the making.
talk to trump who imposed a tariff on raw steel and aluminum that made building in the usa more expensive. Trump wants to add more tariffs so it will be even worse, and we will pay for it.
The tariffs got American steel plants back opened until Biden crushed it. You can’t have a strong country if all it does is consume and not build anything.
As Montgomery Scott once wisely said, “The more they complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to shut off the water.” Keep equipment simple and reliable. No more right to repair restrictions.
Fire the executives. Keep the workers. Simplify the equipment. Remove all the computers that continually break. DUH. $7BILLION ISN'T ENOUGH PROFIT TODAY???
I personally will never buy products made anywhere that’s not made in Canada or the U.S. 🤷♂️ It’s important to me to keep the workforce healthy and employed, even if it cost a little more. 🧐🇨🇦💝🇺🇸🥰🙏
Just because the CEO of John Deere receives twenty million dollars a year, he just doesnt get the fact that other working people or farmers only receive a few thousand dollars a year, so therefore who is in the position to buy their machinery or products. The CEO needs to go back through the archives and read and look how there were train loads of their machinery leaving the factory at the turn of the century, but then again he is getting twenty million a year so why would he give a stuff.
My dad always told me. Do a good job and take pride in what you build because it is a reflection of you. I never realized until looking at corporate America's trash products just how wise that saying was. We always loved our 4020 and 30 series tractors and kinda took them for granted. My grandpa partly owned a dealership back then. They didnt need salesmen. The tractors sold themselves. And our farm is too small to survive the corporate way. We are still using the 30 series tractors. They have proven they have hearts of gold. I could tell and my neighbors also about the horror stories with the newer tractors. But i cant fit a book into one comment. Thats the final factor. Is the product productive to the customer or is it a burden?
Bought a house came with a old Ferguson tractor 3 point hitch with a blade for snow removal never any problems and started right up even in below freezing weather-- solid and reliable just like they used to make our cars.
I think John Deere moving stuff to Mexico is an economic necessity. The first thing China is going to do when the tariff war starts is source its agricultural imports to more South American countries like Brazil and Argentina. That is the future emerging market for farm equipment to supply China's increased need for agricultural goods. This will have pretty devastating ripple effects on US farmers with reduced export needs. Washington can talk tough with new management coming in but in reality, isolationist agendas isn't a practical plan in a global economy. It's a good bet that China would even finance farm equipment for these emerging countries.
John DEERE bought out the local CHAMBERLAIN tractor brand in Australia and created the short lived CHANBERLAIN-DEERE brand. The brand mainly focussed on large "Wheatland" style tractors. The brand didn't cover a wide enough range models and the Australian Federal government withdrew bonus for tractor manufacturers so the factory was closed. Chamberlain was a genuinely independent Australian manufacturer, sadly missed!
What’s funny is that having all the complicated computer modules makes the equipment easier to produce. In the past you would have to make a hardware change with all the new tooling required to punch it out. Now you just have an engineer reprogram a $10.00 module that was manufactured in Taiwan which if it fails they will charge $500.00 for that part and another $500.00 to come out and program it to work on the equipment. This is a huge profit center. I’ve always thought that a smart farming equipment manufacturer would give the farmers all the programs he needs on a laptop to maintain the vehicle. And have it able to go online for tech support and have that available at no extra charge.
It's all about the unnecessary technology . They are trying to squeeze the farmer so they have to call deer to fix it. They also have the ability to render said equipment inoperable through wireless technology if you get behind in payments
My JD backhoe wouldn't move one day. It was a sensor on a pedal, 140 dollars no big deal. Except I couldn't replace it myself the computer had time be re programmed. Three thousand dollars later.. it worked for six months...and it did it again. I parked it out back , no more JD.
I have a family member that is high up in the financial dept. You wouldn't believe how much money they pay him. He does very little to nothing and thinks its hilarious. He wont tell me exactly but its over $250.000. Probably $300.000 a year. That money comes from somewhere.
When you say they’re getting technological advances, what does that come from? It comes from our institutions of higher learning. It comes from the very people in this country that use and develop that equipment and their ideas and ways to make it better or shipped out to other countries, those countries have developed those products Americans have our benefit when you take everything every idea and designs to produce more productive and better machines rather than build them here or through our schools of higher learning, they’ve sent people to learn from our programs that has to stop these institutions of higher learning are selling the American people right out from under their feet it has to stop American people would like to know how much Chinese communist and there’s other countries funnel money into these universities in return for all the technology that comes through their laboratories and industrial production ideas. These institutions are selling out the American people to the Chinese communist it has to stop. They must be held accountable, God save this nation
Trump is going to put a 100% tariff on John Deere if they want to sell those products in the US. That plant should have been built in the USA and Americans assembling it. Shameful for John Deere to this to the American workers.
wrong. Trump did it. google - "The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) is a free trade agreement between the United States, Mexico, and Canada that went into effect on July 1, 2020 "
@@Mike-hb4pc The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) is a free trade agreement between the United States, Mexico, and Canada that went into effect on July 1, 2020
International done some of this years ago. Like you had to go to international dealers for a spark plug and paying more than auto parts store prices. They never got big enough sales in their equipment. JD should know better. One farmer came into auto parts store with JD battery. Man said we can check it to see if it’s bad. We can’t sell you a battery because it made special for JD. At 400 plus dollars. Same size battery I was getting for FORD was 150 dollars. Just special voltage for JD.
The trouble is the computer coding is encrypted. Make them release the lock code for repair purposes only. Nobody necessarily wants to hack their coding to change it. We just need access to repair it, especially after the warranty is up. And we shouldn't have to pay astronomically for it either. That would go a long way for the consumers regards of the companies. IMHO
You sure did and it's too late, the damages have already been done. Just how do you intend to make this up to the American people and the employees that you fired ?
This so reminiscent of the 1970’s when the auto makers were trying to make fuel efficient cars due to the Saudi oil embargo imposed on the US. The mfgs were throwing cars together so much so that on some makes one had to have “special tools” to even remove common fasteners or components. On one make one had to loosen the motor mount to even get to one of the spark plugs. A severe lack of engineering. So a tune up basically tripled due to the amount of labor and special tools required. Ridiculous!
JD has made NUMEROUS basic business mistakes and with the new administrations direction to America, JD has positioned themselves poorly. Manufacturing in Mexico is a really bad idea. Suggest a new management team with better perspective. Why is the CEO allowing these poor choices? Take advantage of Trump advisors who will help them make better decisions. Maybe sell to Musk. He can actually make tech work (unlike JD).
This issue is not limited to tractors or cars - almost everything we do today includes some type of subscription or service to make the device useful. Hopefully this is just the beginning of the backlash and consumers will continue pushing back and refusing products with these business models.
I'm told,so not sure if its true, that JD now makes more money from parts rather than new machinery sales. It was the other way around for most of its life
In the UK we won't need any tractors or farming equipment seeing the UK labour government has adjust ended the farming community. I hope all the other countries in the world will produce enough food for the UK whi6we will have to pay a premium to have it shipped in.
I was surprised to find that JD manufacturing in Dubuque looks like something out of the 1950s. Very labor intensive and minimal automation. Don’t know if this is union related but don’t see how they can possibly compete (financially) in the marketplace against other rising producers of equipment if they don’t reduce their legacy costs of very large workforce with high salaries, large pensions, stock offerings and what appears to be archaic manufacturing processes. The US car companies have been reduced to a shell of their former selves because they waited too long to change, adapt and improve processes.
Environmental regulations in in the United States are pushing farms offshore. The price to run a tractor in the United States with all the environmental regulations on the tractor is massively more expensive than the same tractor somewhere else don’t believe me investigate it yourself.
Dealer structure SUCKS! Putting dealers over customers is a bad idea. I learn years ago no matter how good the dealer is everybody doesn’t want to deal with the companies preferred dealer. Go back to smaller dealerships.
About several years ago I started to buying products that had their manuals online and easy parts avilability. If I have to go to a dealer site as the only source, I will look to an alternative product. I want to be able to buy parts anyhwere - EBay, Amazon, Etc. It should be the law of the land that a manaufactuer cna't hold you hostage to teir support plans.
Repent John Deere, bring all plants back to America, get rid of DEI, support the local Churches near your Dealerships and Maybe God will forgive you and rebuild you company!
The right to repair is not only a John Deere problem, every manufacturer of agriculture equipment faces this problem, the moment anyone besides the dealer is allowed to alter the programming in the computers, you open pandora's box! who will be checking emissions on these tractors at that point? what safety features were turned off to allow more horse power or torque (and who is liable)? Will used equipment have any value in this future (when you have no idea what has been done to it(dealer included))? I prefer old equipment because it works, my 4020 is 57 years old and only has 11 wires for the hole machine (modern tractors have 11 wires for the ass warmer in the cab) but its way less efficient than new equipment. To feed the planet every inch counts on a farm which means efficiency, I love when people talk about this subject but clearly have no clue what the big picture is!
Nothing you buy today seems to be better quality nor as reliable as they used to be. This goes for pretty much everything. Tractors used to the one darn thing on your whole farm that you could count on starting and performing all day long with no issues. The only big advancements that I thought were good ones were power steering and air conditioned cabs. The rest of that crap is just crap.
within the first minute and it sounds like a sales pitch. There is a term that can describe JohnDeere's problem ANTITRUST! They are engaging in fraud and noncompetitive practices and people are going elsewhere for their needs. When I buy something I OWN IT I am not renting it! and I when a company actively prevents owners from maintaining their own property! They are violating the law.
I hope folks aren't gullible enough to scapegoat this on computers. This lock-in can easily be replicated without the need of fancy sensors or computers. The poor design using a centralized point if failure and control was just the easiest path in this case. The problem shouldn't be buried under a specific implementation.
We don't need tractors , harvesters or construction equipment with computers. We need reliable equipment that is easy to fix and maintain. The automakers are doing the same thing . And most of it is junk from the start .
You are so right on this. Old equipment was reliable and easier to work on. The sawmill I worked at ran older Cat front end loaders for many years. They relaced 3 with a Komatsu brand. The "bean counter" figured newer models would be more fuel efficient. (they were a little)
The oldest Komatsu had 17000 hours on it and had axle issues. We were told that was about the life expectancy of a WA450. The WA500 was down several times a month with Regen issues on the tier 4 system. The Cat 980's had over 30,000 hours on them and were still running at the plant auction.
We don't need them made of plastic either
Overcomplicated overpriced and designed so you can’t repair them with extremely overpriced replacement parts.
If I can't fix it, I don't want it. I will never buy one after helping my neighbour using his unit when he was ill. Just junk! I know no one who actually likes JD's farm implements newer than 15 years old. My 30year old Case will outdo anything JD has in the same class, get fixed by me IF it breaks down, with only one trip to my parts supplier in just a day or two; no paying to ship it 100 miles there, hoping they fixed it, and 100 miles back either! Why trade a reliable unit that I own for junk that you will never own because of the "proprietary electronics ownership" issue?
I agree with you 1000 %
The right to repair issue will kill JD in the long run. Imagine you buy a $1,000,000 combine with attachments and because of one faulty sensor be down until a JD tech can order and install the part. Now imagine the sensor is a generic part John Deere buys from a vendor that you could buy locally and install yourself quickly and cheaply. Farm products are time sensitive. Sometimes the crop will be lost before the tech can get there.
Also, I can’t imagine paying a mobile mechanic after buying a $million machine.
I agree with you 1000%
Welcome to the trucking industry.
@@bradfriesen4723 It's like an ever spreading cancer.
It’s all about $$$$
It's a general problem, manufacturers are engineering equipment in ways that requires major tear downs for simple repairs. There is no reason that something that was a simple one hour repair in the previous model should take multiple hours and the replacement of several desposable parts. You make maintenance and repairs nearly impossable then cry because people won't buy your product. When you treat your customers so badly, they will becom someone elses customers.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ WHY ?
Rising prices
Lower quality
Un-repairable products. What could possibly go wrong 😑 . LoL 😝
It’s called capitalism.
@@greggarsenault4457 it's called greed. Charge whatever you want but deliver a quality product, charging more and delivering lesser quality is just wrong. People are not stupid when they are spending hard earned money.
@@greggarsenault4457son , do you have any understanding of the industry at all ?
@@greggarsenault4457 It’s called greed.
Planned obsolescence.
IS JOHN DEERE ACTUALLY GOING TO DESTROY IT'S SELF THE WAY BOEING IS DOING ????
Yes, yes they are.
Yes, it appears so.
Like IH did 40 years ago?
@@theronash7269 who is IH?
@@scottlewisparsons9551International Harvester
I own several John Deere products, I will never buy anything made by them with a computer.
@@BadUncleIke why are you buying anything made by them at all?
@@keithfaulkner6319 Actually for parts and service, how ironic is that? Part of the purchase decision is service and now they are holding us hostage.
You must have some really really old equipment (like a 3 wheeled tractor) ?
@@2010bigfathen Z655 mower and a 5303 tractor, the tractor does have a computer but it is pretty simple.
@ I was just making a funny
John Deere abandoned their core customer with that stupid proprietary software lawsuit. Their attempt to build motorized computers with more complex circuitry than the space shuttle resulted in unreliable junk. Then they made it illegal (impossible) to work on your own equipment. It seems like JD would rather sell pink Tshirts and car tags to teenage girls at cracker barrel.
Companies that go walk and don’t look after their customers will go broke🤮☠️👎🏻
That's what greed does. It puts PROFIT ahead of PEOPLE.
Is that not the American way?
@@davidlockley2635didn’t used to be. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Nothing is made to last anymore no matter where it’s made.
You failed to mention their woke agenda. You lost me at climate change.
Yep. Throwing climate change into your rationale immediately shows you don’t really understand the issues and will therefore be incapable of coming to a good solution.
If you knew anything about farming, you would know climate change is real.
AMEN
You may like it or not, climate change is real and will affect farming in a bigger way than you can imagine now.
@ Congratulations! Your programming is complete.
Until 1996 I was a Dairy Farmer in Australia, My main Tractor was a Zetor 6011, with full chassis frame to support a Front End Loader. We did our own servicing, and despite the users manual being a poor translation, we never had a problem in seventeen years. When is comes to Farm Equipment, we used the KISS method, Keep It Simple Stupid.
I will tell you where the next big Automotive and Agricultural vehicles and machines will be best sellers. The first one to go back to ergonomically simple to add accessories. And simple to operate. By no computers and simple mechanical operation. Keep it simple and economical. Put longevity into the product. First one to do this and stay with it will be successful.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Think I’ll keep my Old Ford 6610!
Too many government rules in force now and we are never going back to simple cars
and anything mechanical. So sad...destroying everything. 😢
@ all it takes is one manufacturer to lead the way. When successful others will follow a successful model. It’s been done before.
And you did say automotive, as well. Same thing.
I know nothing about farm equipment but I had a similar problem with my wife's car. One headlight needed replacement. I'm 76 yr old and have changed many car lights. I opened the hood and located the bad bulb but it was obvious that you couldn't access it. I went on the web and searched for diy video. Found you needed to disassemble bumper cover and several other parts including the headlight module. I don't have a auto lift and am too old to crawl around under a car. Had to take to dealership and it cost over $300.
Exact same thing happened with my retired brother in law.
My wife's car is similar.
On one side, the headlights are easy to get to, but on the other side it is nearly impossible, unless you have incredibly long and skinny arms, with very small hands.
On top of that, I very seriously suspect that the motor has been purposefully engineered to start burning oil after 100 thousand miles.
Ridiculous.
@@StillLivinginthewoods No, but if you have an "Interference engine" where the valves hit the pistons when the timing chains fail, then you have a boat anchor in the making.
Juan Deere now that they have moved to Mexico. They have gone to supporting gay pride that should help.
Basura
Trump will tariff them into oblivion.
Trump already said he would put high tariffs of Deere products made in Mexico.
Yeah you can rely on chump to kill american businesses 😅
Juan Queer is the new brand.
Talk to Harley Davidson about building in another country we need all Americans to work
talk to trump who imposed a tariff on raw steel and aluminum that made building in the usa more expensive. Trump wants to add more tariffs so it will be even worse, and we will pay for it.
@@batsonelectronics make every thing in the states and get people back to work and off of the system and streets
Deport millions while we have low unemployment and the sMAGOTS think we can add more jobs 🤔. Who is going to do the work ?
The tariffs got American steel plants back opened until Biden crushed it. You can’t have a strong country if all it does is consume and not build anything.
@@batsonelectronics
Then use American materials.
As Montgomery Scott once wisely said, “The more they complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to shut off the water.” Keep equipment simple and reliable. No more right to repair restrictions.
Bill Gates is a large shareholder , that should say enough .
Please supply link to support your claim.
@@KadiddlehopperClemhe's the biggest shareholder - Google it
Fire the executives. Keep the workers. Simplify the equipment. Remove all the computers that continually break. DUH. $7BILLION ISN'T ENOUGH PROFIT TODAY???
I personally will never buy products made anywhere that’s not made in Canada or the U.S. 🤷♂️ It’s important to me to keep the workforce healthy and employed, even if it cost a little more. 🧐🇨🇦💝🇺🇸🥰🙏
Canada can take a hike too. Not buying anything from Canada after what Trudeau did to the truckers.
@@redstone5149 a few whining truckers.......
I guess you won't be buying much of anything then. 😅
Pure American sucker like these companies love...
@@half-breedso be it. Most things we can do without.
Just because the CEO of John Deere receives twenty million dollars a year, he just doesnt get the fact that other working people or farmers only receive a few thousand dollars a year, so therefore who is in the position to buy their machinery or products. The CEO needs to go back through the archives and read and look how there were train loads of their machinery leaving the factory at the turn of the century, but then again he is getting twenty million a year so why would he give a stuff.
My dad always told me. Do a good job and take pride in what you build because it is a reflection of you. I never realized until looking at corporate America's trash products just how wise that saying was. We always loved our 4020 and 30 series tractors and kinda took them for granted. My grandpa partly owned a dealership back then. They didnt need salesmen. The tractors sold themselves. And our farm is too small to survive the corporate way. We are still using the 30 series tractors. They have proven they have hearts of gold. I could tell and my neighbors also about the horror stories with the newer tractors. But i cant fit a book into one comment.
Thats the final factor. Is the product productive to the customer or is it a burden?
Perhaps JD should stop hating the customer?
Old school is always better i won't buy anything i cant fix myself
Thanks Biden & Democrats!
CLICKBAIT TITLES ARE SHAMEFUL
Operational costs? How about lowering CEO pay. The backbone of the company isn't the problem. I call BS.
Bought a house came with a old Ferguson tractor 3 point hitch with a blade for snow removal never any problems and started right up even in below freezing weather-- solid and reliable just like they used to make our cars.
What they get for listening to bean counters instead of customers and servicemen.
Move back to the USA! ❤❤❤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
🤣🤣🤣
Why ?, chump and the strumpets hate them. Once chumps tariffs start all their sales will be in other countries anyway
Couldn't make a video without throwing the climate change bullshit in could they
I think John Deere moving stuff to Mexico is an economic necessity. The first thing China is going to do when the tariff war starts is source its agricultural imports to more South American countries like Brazil and Argentina. That is the future emerging market for farm equipment to supply China's increased need for agricultural goods. This will have pretty devastating ripple effects on US farmers with reduced export needs. Washington can talk tough with new management coming in but in reality, isolationist agendas isn't a practical plan in a global economy. It's a good bet that China would even finance farm equipment for these emerging countries.
So why is anybody buying Deere products in the first place?
You lost me at climate change
I noticed that, too.
Said all the dinosaures. 😅
@j.richardson3638 that's funny. I'll give ya that.
John Deere destroyed Massey Ferguson in Australia. Karma.
John DEERE bought out the local CHAMBERLAIN tractor brand in Australia and created the short lived CHANBERLAIN-DEERE brand. The brand mainly focussed on large "Wheatland" style tractors. The brand didn't cover a wide enough range models and the Australian Federal government withdrew bonus for tractor manufacturers so the factory was closed. Chamberlain was a genuinely independent Australian manufacturer, sadly missed!
What’s funny is that having all the complicated computer modules makes the equipment easier to produce. In the past you would have to make a hardware change with all the new tooling required to punch it out. Now you just have an engineer reprogram a $10.00 module that was manufactured in Taiwan which if it fails they will charge $500.00 for that part and another $500.00 to come out and program it to work on the equipment. This is a huge profit center.
I’ve always thought that a smart farming equipment manufacturer would give the farmers all the programs he needs on a laptop to maintain the vehicle. And have it able to go online for tech support and have that available at no extra charge.
"We made a bad choice." 1 CEO making the bad choices and not being accountable for his decisions.
If I am not allowed to fix it, I am not buying it.
Farmer came home from the market to find his wife had left him .... she left him a John Deere letter ...
Clickbait! There’s 3 minutes of my life wasted….
You do not mention anything about Right To Repair, and the company not letting the customer fix their own equipment.
Knowledge isn't cheap. Lear from your mistakes .
It's all about the unnecessary technology . They are trying to squeeze the farmer so they have to call deer to fix it. They also have the ability to render said equipment inoperable through wireless technology if you get behind in payments
My JD backhoe wouldn't move one day. It was a sensor on a pedal, 140 dollars no big deal. Except I couldn't replace it myself the computer had time be re programmed. Three thousand dollars later.. it worked for six months...and it did it again. I parked it out back , no more JD.
Are these big companies paying their CEOs millions of dollars to tank these companies?
F John Deere
John Deer of all companies…… super sad to see where they’ve been going in the last years …..
I have a family member that is high up in the financial dept. You wouldn't believe how much money they pay him. He does very little to nothing and thinks its hilarious. He wont tell me exactly but its over $250.000. Probably $300.000 a year. That money comes from somewhere.
$26.7 million in 2023, just google it.
People’s pockets. They took a lesson from our government. Rob the people.
When you say they’re getting technological advances, what does that come from? It comes from our institutions of higher learning. It comes from the very people in this country that use and develop that equipment and their ideas and ways to make it better or shipped out to other countries, those countries have developed those products Americans have our benefit when you take everything every idea and designs to produce more productive and better machines rather than build them here or through our schools of higher learning, they’ve sent people to learn from our programs that has to stop these institutions of higher learning are selling the American people right out from under their feet it has to stop American people would like to know how much Chinese communist and there’s other countries funnel money into these universities in return for all the technology that comes through their laboratories and industrial production ideas. These institutions are selling out the American people to the Chinese communist it has to stop. They must be held accountable, God save this nation
USMCA, signed in 2021, created the pathway and motivation for JD to move operations to Mexico tariff free.
I think that is the result of 'Bidenomics' IDK
Trump is going to put a 100% tariff on John Deere if they want to sell those products in the US.
That plant should have been built in the USA and Americans assembling it. Shameful for John Deere to this to the American workers.
*. Trump's going to encourage JD to come back to the US.
wrong. Trump did it. google - "The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) is a free trade agreement between the United States, Mexico, and Canada that went into effect on July 1, 2020 "
@@Mike-hb4pc The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) is a free trade agreement between the United States, Mexico, and Canada that went into effect on July 1, 2020
Go back to the past and start over? Not just the tractors but also the way you protect the plants from predators!
Why must sales and price increasing all the time? The size of the earth is not increasing. Greedy has it's consequences.
International done some of this years ago. Like you had to go to international dealers for a spark plug and paying more than auto parts store prices. They never got big enough sales in their equipment. JD should know better. One farmer came into auto parts store with JD battery. Man said we can check it to see if it’s bad. We can’t sell you a battery because it made special for JD. At 400 plus dollars. Same size battery I was getting for FORD was 150 dollars. Just special voltage for JD.
And again it all boils down to the age old, one word problem. "Greed"
It amazes me how many big companies turn against their loyal customer base for no reason.
If you allow John Deere owners' to fix their own equipment there will be a new labor pool of badly needed mechanics.
If you own it you should be able to do what ever you want to with it, unbelievable
The trouble is the computer coding is encrypted. Make them release the lock code for repair purposes only. Nobody necessarily wants to hack their coding to change it. We just need access to repair it, especially after the warranty is up. And we shouldn't have to pay astronomically for it either. That would go a long way for the consumers regards of the companies. IMHO
In the UK the majority of farmers either have or know of others that have had GPS and computerized equipment stolen to order.
You sure did and it's too late, the damages have already been done. Just how do you intend to make this up to the American people and the employees that you fired ?
O dear poor John Deere.
This so reminiscent of the 1970’s when the auto makers were trying to make fuel efficient cars due to the Saudi oil embargo imposed on the US. The mfgs were throwing cars together so much so that on some makes one had to have “special tools” to even remove common fasteners or components. On one make one had to loosen the motor mount to even get to one of the spark plugs. A severe lack of engineering. So a tune up basically tripled due to the amount of labor and special tools required. Ridiculous!
US Farmers are all going broke because of tariffs
And billionaires & the Chinese are buying up their land!
John Deere used to be the best in many ways. Then they lost their way. When people make up their minds they don’t turn back.
They get so offended to the point they refuse to go back.
JD has made NUMEROUS basic business mistakes and with the new administrations direction to America, JD has positioned themselves poorly. Manufacturing in Mexico is a really bad idea. Suggest a new management team with better perspective. Why is the CEO allowing these poor choices? Take advantage of Trump advisors who will help them make better decisions. Maybe sell to Musk. He can actually make tech work (unlike JD).
Trump has a beautiful word Tariff!😊
I can explain JD fall from grace in one word! GREED
I have a small plot of land and want to get a compact tractor. John Deere is off the list!
This issue is not limited to tractors or cars - almost everything we do today includes some type of subscription or service to make the device useful. Hopefully this is just the beginning of the backlash and consumers will continue pushing back and refusing products with these business models.
I'm told,so not sure if its true, that JD now makes more money from parts rather than new machinery sales. It was the other way around for most of its life
In the UK we won't need any tractors or farming equipment seeing the UK labour government has adjust ended the farming community.
I hope all the other countries in the world will produce enough food for the UK whi6we will have to pay a premium to have it shipped in.
Didn't your King just get a $60mil yearly raise for doing absolutely nothing?
@pb68slab18 sorry but I dont see the connection between King Charles and our agriculture being destroyed by the Labour mob.
Oh that sucks, they’re only going to profit 7 billion not 9 billion, that’s just not acceptable.
That CEO will bring catastrophy. I've never heard anyone so out of touch with what their customers need.,
You lost me at "Climate Change".
They chose to make stupid decisions, now they can suffer the consequences. Another company that could care less about the consumer. FAFO.
Sabotaging their equipment with over complicated and overpriced replacement parts is killing them.
It’s everywhere in modern equipment.
@@theronash7269 yes, nailed it
I was surprised to find that JD manufacturing in Dubuque looks like something out of the 1950s. Very labor intensive and minimal automation. Don’t know if this is union related but don’t see how they can possibly compete (financially) in the marketplace against other rising producers of equipment if they don’t reduce their legacy costs of very large workforce with high salaries, large pensions, stock offerings and what appears to be archaic manufacturing processes. The US car companies have been reduced to a shell of their former selves because they waited too long to change, adapt and improve processes.
Maybe moving to Mexico is not helping! Ford did it and their quality is still suffering.
GM too.
Environmental regulations in in the United States are pushing farms offshore. The price to run a tractor in the United States with all the environmental regulations on the tractor is massively more expensive than the same tractor somewhere else don’t believe me investigate it yourself.
Deere insists Deere repairs equipment and prefers move out jobs if a future of multi-year un-sold inventory equipment doesn't appeal ... give up .
Dealer structure SUCKS! Putting dealers over customers is a bad idea. I learn years ago no matter how good the dealer is everybody doesn’t want to deal with the companies preferred dealer. Go back to smaller dealerships.
Gawwd damn corporate is ruining everything for another dollar...
Buying a new tractor and JD is not even a consideration.
Yeah it would be silly to fight a fire with a combine
About several years ago I started to buying products that had their manuals online and easy parts avilability. If I have to go to a dealer site as the only source, I will look to an alternative product. I want to be able to buy parts anyhwere - EBay, Amazon, Etc. It should be the law of the land that a manaufactuer cna't hold you hostage to teir support plans.
Right to repair is biggest issue.
Repent John Deere, bring all plants back to America, get rid of DEI, support the local Churches near your Dealerships and Maybe God will forgive you and rebuild you company!
Greed
Our last tractor purchase was a Massey after decades of buying green
Band together, make your own equipment.
Farmers buy up big machining!
CLOSE THE DOORS
john deere is very popular with uk farmers
They charge a platinum mine for garbage technology.
John Deere needs to let farmers repair the equipment they bought with their own money or else it will be the end of an era for the company.
Shitting on the worker's
John Deere needs to bring on Jaguars marketing team.
Climatic instability is commonly called "the weather."
Uuuhhhh, “farmers & ranchers” are becoming an “endangered species”, and should be on that famous list…
The right to repair is not only a John Deere problem, every manufacturer of agriculture equipment faces this problem, the moment anyone besides the dealer is allowed to alter the programming in the computers, you open pandora's box! who will be checking emissions on these tractors at that point? what safety features were turned off to allow more horse power or torque (and who is liable)? Will used equipment have any value in this future (when you have no idea what has been done to it(dealer included))? I prefer old equipment because it works, my 4020 is 57 years old and only has 11 wires for the hole machine (modern tractors have 11 wires for the ass warmer in the cab) but its way less efficient than new equipment. To feed the planet every inch counts on a farm which means efficiency, I love when people talk about this subject but clearly have no clue what the big picture is!
Another gangster management that should be in jail
Does John Deere collect crop data with the computers to use this data in buying or selling on the futures market?
Nothing you buy today seems to be better quality nor as reliable as they used to be. This goes for pretty much everything. Tractors used to the one darn thing on your whole farm that you could count on starting and performing all day long with no issues. The only big advancements that I thought were good ones were power steering and air conditioned cabs. The rest of that crap is just crap.
within the first minute and it sounds like a sales pitch.
There is a term that can describe JohnDeere's problem
ANTITRUST! They are engaging in fraud and noncompetitive practices and people are going elsewhere for their needs.
When I buy something I OWN IT I am not renting it! and I when a company actively prevents owners from maintaining their own property! They are violating the law.
I hope folks aren't gullible enough to scapegoat this on computers. This lock-in can easily be replicated without the need of fancy sensors or computers. The poor design using a centralized point if failure and control was just the easiest path in this case.
The problem shouldn't be buried under a specific implementation.