Content request: Host OS = Proxmox, Guest 1 = TrueNAS Scale VM with access to HDDs (maybe a DAS) including CIF/RAID configuration of both host an guest; Guest 2 = Docker and Portainer LXC with access to NAS (maybe jellyfin) with HW acceleration.
Yes, this. And would a USB 4 type C DAS box be reliable and not break the storage connection like USB 3 type A does occasionally? Most of us can't afford high capacity SSD drives and have to go with spinning 3.5" drives which means external drive bays. Up till now, every time I tried USB 3 external drives I ended up going back to a case that could hold them internally and be connected via SATA cables.
Thank you, would love to hear more reviews on best mini servers in regards to virtualization, self hosting, machine learning, local ai inference, and etc.
Already running Proxmox with TrueNas, PfSense and a bunch of vms including Windows on my Minisforum ms-01. Love it. One thing still not investigated - how to handy monitor temperature in Proxmox. Sometimes the fans are just going to lift up and turns out that some vm is ramping 1 or 2 cores at the moment, while others idling. Please consider to include this topic in your future videos about Proxmox.
A hackintosh would be interesting; however, I'd like to see performance benchmarks for connecting a TerraMaster D8 Hybrid (or similar DAS) via a 10Gbps USB (or USB4) port for a virtualized TrueNAS Scale or unRAID solution.
I would love to see you test and discuss the difference between running a NAS OS like Truenas Scale as a VM in Proxmox compared to running it natively without Proxmox.
I'm considering running proxmox with my home build jonsbo n3 and n5095 system running some NAS OS as one machine and maybe coreelec / kodi as another - I can then directly connect the hardware to my tv / avr for watcing shows on the NAS.
Are you using TrueNAS as a NAS in this scenario or are looking to run apps on TrueNAS Scale? The answer to that question will help guide the answer on TrueNAS native versus TrueNAS within ProxMox.
My plan is to get a home server running with NAS functionality and some other stuff like plex, pihole, homebridge etc. However I am unsure if it is better to use a hypervisor like proxmox as foundation or to use the nas is as foundation…
@@matthiasbrandt4943 in that scenario I would think the ProxMox system running as the hypervisor and TrueNAS Scale (doing NAS duties) would be fine. Just run the other services on ProxMox versus inside the virtualized TrueNAS Scale.
@@matthiasbrandt4943 from my understanding it's all much of a muchness at the end process.. but proxmox running multiple ''VM'' should be more efficient than running NAS OS with dockers.
If I were to roll this out as a proxmox setup (which looks like it might be a great little homelab proxmox box), I wouldn't use those 2 4x m.2 slots both as storage, I would get a 10g network adapter for one of them, and an ssd for the other. - in a perfect world (though it would be more expensive), I'd probably set it up as a HCI cluster with ceph and multiple (like 3-4 of these) boxes. it IS a total missed opportunity that they didn't give us onboard 10g base-t networking though. I really want to see 10g-base-t on these little boxes more often as it would improve their usefulness dramatically in terms of backup speeds over the network, in terms of using a nas as a primary data store if you wanted to set things up that way, etc.
I'm running the cheapest one with N100 the G3 as one node of my proxmox cluster. Rock stable despite being ripped out of the case using two SSDs connected to SATA to m.2 adapter as stand for it 😂 Their BIOS is wonderful and packed. iGPU pass through works like a dream.
I grabbed a couple of the Morefine M500+ with a Ryzen 7 5800H, 32GB RAM, a 256GB 2.5" Proxmox host drive and with 2x 2280 1TB SSDs for ZFS. The M600 is now available but I preferred the pricing on the M500+ at the time. I have a third mini PC which only had two NVME drives (one 2280 and one 2242) and the idea is to set them up in a small datacentre configuration and get a kubernetes cluster up and running on them. They do idle well below 10W which is great for a small home lab setup.
I purchased this exact pc and it’s amazing. It will give any other pc a run for its money. The integrated graphics it perfect, I installed plex on it and I was able to transcode 8 4K videos down to 480p and it still could do more! Power consumption is small, it’s quiet, and tech is up to date.
I would love to see some benchmark on the GPU side for proxmox : video decoding, IA utilization, maybe some light gaming in a VM. The other side is thermal and power consumption, as it's important for mini pc
I would love to see a mini pc manufacturer make a unit that not only has several 2.5 (or faster) Gbe NICs and ocu-link, but also the ability to connect to an add-on 4, 8 or 12 bay hard drive unit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's called a DAS. Have it as a purposely built stackable solution so a person could create a small all in one home server for things like pfSense/OPNsense, TrueNAS, Windows 11 for local game streaming (by adding a stackable external GPU dock) and a bunch of docker containers for say Pi-hole, Plex/Jellyfin or whatever is important to each person. The actual physical footprint wouldn't have to be super duper mini. It could a little taller and wider than that GMKtec in this video for example. Oh ya, and don't charge a freaking arm and a leg for each stackable part. Maybe just a hand or a foot! 😜🤪 As long as the internals were put together right (not skimped on), this would be HUGE for the home admin.
Would you please test it with TB3/USB4 external multi-SSD enclosure with ZFS? Seems like no one @ YT is testing external multi-SSD arrays with AMD systems, everyone just uses Intel for TB/USB4... Thank you for your excellent channel!
I want to see how it can reduce the # of physical devices we have in our home networks. My house has ISP gateway, router/firewall, network switch, nas and APs. Can we not reasonably virtualize some of these machines into containers or vms? And by reasonable I mean there's valid arguments for not having a single point of failure, or keeping certain network functions on their own hardware.
I love Proxmox am running it using CEPH and high availability on 3 lowly Odroid H3 N5105 units. Each with 32 GBe ram and 2TB nvme. This runs like a charm a bunch of home services without breaking a sweat using one 2.5GBe nic on each to keep CEPH happy and the other for the networking tasks. On a 4th intel u1245 Topton box I run a separate Proxmox with OPNsense virtualized. My main reason to virtualize OPNsense is that I can instantly recover with the automated Proxmox backups if I mess things up (helps the WAF a lot). Plus I can spin up a virtual Windows or Linux desktop on this one to test things. As to a Proxmox series on your channel showing how the different functions that are now bundled in a Synology NAS (or other brand) can be virtualized each in its own VM would be great.
Hello! Great video. :) I'd be interested in seeing how you set up the multiple Windows VMs to run at once while also leveraging the iGPU. I've been experimenting a lot with SR-IOV on my Intel i5-12700T Proxmox node to split my iGPU resources across multiple VMs. It's working, but wow is it fiddly to set up and maintain, as it tends to break every time the host or VM gets a kernel update. I wasn't aware AMD's iGPU could be split between VMs and would love to see more of how that works.
The (idle) power usage seems remarkable when compared to the N100 boxes which struggle to get the low power settings working, in concert with the rest of the system.
I'm quite interested in Proxmox running on a NAS with lots of M.2. I'm hoping Asus Flashstor 2 will be my dream setup, reasonable CPU with lots of M.2. I want to run Proxmox with TrueNAS, Home Assistant, Plex, etc as VMs with hardware transcode. One box to rule them all
For $550, it's not terrible. However, GMKTEC should be offering either a barebones system or a fully packed system, especially for a virtualization system. 32 G ram is a nice start, but I'd be inclined to bump it up to 64G ram, which means that the 32 included means a wasted amount of money. same thing for the included drive; would probably replace it with higher capacity out of the gate. To be fair, maybe GMKtec should have sent you 3 so you can set up a nice little cluster..
In my experience in HomeLab's memory is exhausted before CPU, so any HomeLab machine should have at minimum 64Gb if not 128Gb. Unless you going to build a K3s/K8s cluster in your home lab, then these mini-pc's are great.
Curious about the availability and pricing of GMKtec PCs across Europe as opposed to the US. They seem to be way more expensive, and with scant availability compared to others like Beelink, in the part of Europe where I live, i.e. Spain.
I get so many emails about product samples of stuff I have no need for. Then the products I have need for don't respond or have ridiculous expectations. I'm going to spend 3 weeks on a video for them for free. Very challenging indeed
I was all in until i saw 32gb of RAM. No.no.no.no.no. At least 64gb for a hypervisor if you want to be productive. Pls find me a mini pc that can take at least 64gb DDR4.
I recently started to “hate”/dislike proxmox due to their dumb and weird ideological policies. Their strict refusal to work together with big international companies because they aren’t Open Source will slowly kill then and make Virtualization just worse globally
What makes you think that? I use Proxmox and have offloaded quite a few services from my Synology on to it, AdGuard, Home Assistant OS on VM and Homebridge, Proxy Manager, practically all Docker Containers, System and Network Monitoring and Admin (various containers, both docker and LXC), CF Tunnels, all VMs, etc. etc. And the result is all those run better on the Proxmox machine than they ever did on the NAS and, the NAS runs better because it doesn't have to deal with them anymore! On the NAS the only containers and Apps I have running now are file management and those that need access to data and media libraries stored on the NAS, Calibre, Plex, Audiobookshelf etc. I'd say it's a safe bet I'm not the only one who's done that, and I'd also bet there are quite a few more that would be interested once they know a bit about it, and what it can do for them.
Content request: Host OS = Proxmox, Guest 1 = TrueNAS Scale VM with access to HDDs (maybe a DAS) including CIF/RAID configuration of both host an guest; Guest 2 = Docker and Portainer LXC with access to NAS (maybe jellyfin) with HW acceleration.
Yes, this. And would a USB 4 type C DAS box be reliable and not break the storage connection like USB 3 type A does occasionally? Most of us can't afford high capacity SSD drives and have to go with spinning 3.5" drives which means external drive bays. Up till now, every time I tried USB 3 external drives I ended up going back to a case that could hold them internally and be connected via SATA cables.
Also what would be great would be chuck in a virtual firewall and proxy manager server.
I’ve been enjoying the uptick in content lately. This channel is great.
💯 agree. Keep up the great work @nascompares
Thank you, would love to hear more reviews on best mini servers in regards to virtualization, self hosting, machine learning, local ai inference, and etc.
Already running Proxmox with TrueNas, PfSense and a bunch of vms including Windows on my Minisforum ms-01. Love it. One thing still not investigated - how to handy monitor temperature in Proxmox. Sometimes the fans are just going to lift up and turns out that some vm is ramping 1 or 2 cores at the moment, while others idling. Please consider to include this topic in your future videos about Proxmox.
I think the link to Amazon needs tweaking as I'm being shown Aoostar NAS.
A hackintosh would be interesting; however, I'd like to see performance benchmarks for connecting a TerraMaster D8 Hybrid (or similar DAS) via a 10Gbps USB (or USB4) port for a virtualized TrueNAS Scale or unRAID solution.
I would love to see you test and discuss the difference between running a NAS OS like Truenas Scale as a VM in Proxmox compared to running it natively without Proxmox.
I'm considering running proxmox with my home build jonsbo n3 and n5095 system running some NAS OS as one machine and maybe coreelec / kodi as another - I can then directly connect the hardware to my tv / avr for watcing shows on the NAS.
Are you using TrueNAS as a NAS in this scenario or are looking to run apps on TrueNAS Scale?
The answer to that question will help guide the answer on TrueNAS native versus TrueNAS within ProxMox.
My plan is to get a home server running with NAS functionality and some other stuff like plex, pihole, homebridge etc. However I am unsure if it is better to use a hypervisor like proxmox as foundation or to use the nas is as foundation…
@@matthiasbrandt4943 in that scenario I would think the ProxMox system running as the hypervisor and TrueNAS Scale (doing NAS duties) would be fine. Just run the other services on ProxMox versus inside the virtualized TrueNAS Scale.
@@matthiasbrandt4943 from my understanding it's all much of a muchness at the end process.. but proxmox running multiple ''VM'' should be more efficient than running NAS OS with dockers.
If I were to roll this out as a proxmox setup (which looks like it might be a great little homelab proxmox box), I wouldn't use those 2 4x m.2 slots both as storage, I would get a 10g network adapter for one of them, and an ssd for the other. - in a perfect world (though it would be more expensive), I'd probably set it up as a HCI cluster with ceph and multiple (like 3-4 of these) boxes. it IS a total missed opportunity that they didn't give us onboard 10g base-t networking though. I really want to see 10g-base-t on these little boxes more often as it would improve their usefulness dramatically in terms of backup speeds over the network, in terms of using a nas as a primary data store if you wanted to set things up that way, etc.
I'm running Proxmox on my GMKTec K6 and it's been great thus far. I even hooked up a DAS to it for TrueNAS.
I'm running the cheapest one with N100 the G3 as one node of my proxmox cluster. Rock stable despite being ripped out of the case using two SSDs connected to SATA to m.2 adapter as stand for it 😂
Their BIOS is wonderful and packed. iGPU pass through works like a dream.
I grabbed a couple of the Morefine M500+ with a Ryzen 7 5800H, 32GB RAM, a 256GB 2.5" Proxmox host drive and with 2x 2280 1TB SSDs for ZFS. The M600 is now available but I preferred the pricing on the M500+ at the time. I have a third mini PC which only had two NVME drives (one 2280 and one 2242) and the idea is to set them up in a small datacentre configuration and get a kubernetes cluster up and running on them. They do idle well below 10W which is great for a small home lab setup.
I purchased this exact pc and it’s amazing. It will give any other pc a run for its money. The integrated graphics it perfect, I installed plex on it and I was able to transcode 8 4K videos down to 480p and it still could do more! Power consumption is small, it’s quiet, and tech is up to date.
I would love to see some benchmark on the GPU side for proxmox : video decoding, IA utilization, maybe some light gaming in a VM. The other side is thermal and power consumption, as it's important for mini pc
I would love to see a mini pc manufacturer make a unit that not only has several 2.5 (or faster) Gbe NICs and ocu-link, but also the ability to connect to an add-on 4, 8 or 12 bay hard drive unit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's called a DAS. Have it as a purposely built stackable solution so a person could create a small all in one home server for things like pfSense/OPNsense, TrueNAS, Windows 11 for local game streaming (by adding a stackable external GPU dock) and a bunch of docker containers for say Pi-hole, Plex/Jellyfin or whatever is important to each person. The actual physical footprint wouldn't have to be super duper mini. It could a little taller and wider than that GMKtec in this video for example. Oh ya, and don't charge a freaking arm and a leg for each stackable part. Maybe just a hand or a foot! 😜🤪 As long as the internals were put together right (not skimped on), this would be HUGE for the home admin.
Proxmox is the GOAT. Looking forward to your series...
To be a perfect proxmox machine it needs two 10g nics (or at least one, preferably sfp+) and preferably oculink.
Would you please test it with TB3/USB4 external multi-SSD enclosure with ZFS? Seems like no one @ YT is testing external multi-SSD arrays with AMD systems, everyone just uses Intel for TB/USB4...
Thank you for your excellent channel!
I want to see how it can reduce the # of physical devices we have in our home networks. My house has ISP gateway, router/firewall, network switch, nas and APs. Can we not reasonably virtualize some of these machines into containers or vms? And by reasonable I mean there's valid arguments for not having a single point of failure, or keeping certain network functions on their own hardware.
I love Proxmox am running it using CEPH and high availability on 3 lowly Odroid H3 N5105 units. Each with 32 GBe ram and 2TB nvme. This runs like a charm a bunch of home services without breaking a sweat using one 2.5GBe nic on each to keep CEPH happy and the other for the networking tasks.
On a 4th intel u1245 Topton box I run a separate Proxmox with OPNsense virtualized. My main reason to virtualize OPNsense is that I can instantly recover with the automated Proxmox backups if I mess things up (helps the WAF a lot). Plus I can spin up a virtual Windows or Linux desktop on this one to test things.
As to a Proxmox series on your channel showing how the different functions that are now bundled in a Synology NAS (or other brand) can be virtualized each in its own VM would be great.
Hello! Great video. :)
I'd be interested in seeing how you set up the multiple Windows VMs to run at once while also leveraging the iGPU. I've been experimenting a lot with SR-IOV on my Intel i5-12700T Proxmox node to split my iGPU resources across multiple VMs. It's working, but wow is it fiddly to set up and maintain, as it tends to break every time the host or VM gets a kernel update.
I wasn't aware AMD's iGPU could be split between VMs and would love to see more of how that works.
The (idle) power usage seems remarkable when compared to the N100 boxes which struggle to get the low power settings working, in concert with the rest of the system.
Try Scrypted or Frigate to see if that GPU can be used for video feature detection.
I'm quite interested in Proxmox running on a NAS with lots of M.2. I'm hoping Asus Flashstor 2 will be my dream setup, reasonable CPU with lots of M.2. I want to run Proxmox with TrueNAS, Home Assistant, Plex, etc as VMs with hardware transcode. One box to rule them all
Maybe, start at the beginning.. bios settings, proxmox installation, system update ....maybe then create a VM & container
Are you able pass through 2 vga igpu into 2 different vm? I found n100 is possible
Can it run MacOS?
Game streaming using Sunshine from one of the VMs with GPU Passthrough. 😀
I'm still trying to find that NVMe 2x 10 GB ethernet you mentioned. I did find two 2.5 gig ones
Can we use the 2nd M.2 slot with that 6xSATAports adapter you mentioned in your other video?
Can you update the Amazon link ?
Hackintosh on this and proxmox iGPU passthrough as I'm not able to figure out how can we do it both.
Setup using Proxmox to house vm and docker container but the storage is kept in the new Unifi NAS solution
Intriguing idea! Maybe using something even smaller, maybe the minisforum s100 - bit weedy, but it's still a decent little base. Will look into it
For $550, it's not terrible. However, GMKTEC should be offering either a barebones system or a fully packed system, especially for a virtualization system.
32 G ram is a nice start, but I'd be inclined to bump it up to 64G ram, which means that the 32 included means a wasted amount of money. same thing for the included drive; would probably replace it with higher capacity out of the gate.
To be fair, maybe GMKtec should have sent you 3 so you can set up a nice little cluster..
In my experience in HomeLab's memory is exhausted before CPU, so any HomeLab machine should have at minimum 64Gb if not 128Gb. Unless you going to build a K3s/K8s cluster in your home lab, then these mini-pc's are great.
With the good hardware specs would be pretty cool see if this can run a windows OS to host your own game server.
Is this ecc capable?
Why do you call it fake NUC?
I wanna see it boot vm's off an iscsi target from another custom diy truenas scale build using a usb4 10gb nic.
Why not the Minisforum Ryzen 8000 offering? It has Occulink. There is an interesting Beelink too with PCI support
But yes please, more ProxMox!
Content request. Plex transcoding capacity.
Curious about the availability and pricing of GMKtec PCs across Europe as opposed to the US. They seem to be way more expensive, and with scant availability compared to others like Beelink, in the part of Europe where I live, i.e. Spain.
Because their main store did not enter Spain before, they have now opened a Spanish site
@@yukiki-u8q that's interesting and potentialy good to hear. Will have to keep an eye on availability and pricing.
Definite like to see more hackintosh & windows on the same proxmox machine. But any good for development use
At least in the USA, the Amazon link needs to be corrected. I have been very happy with my N100 GMKtec system.
Robbie just letting loose with the language. Watch out for the ‘pearl clutchers’ 😂
Want to make an all in one. Promo based opnsense router, linux cups based printer server, plex based streamer, windows 11 based surfing,
i'd buy this if i can see it running macosx in proxmox
Content:
Proxmox from a storage perspective.
Local storage, ceph, nas, failover, etc.
It's inaccurate to call it "fake" as GMKtec is its own brand of mini-pc's.
I get so many emails about product samples of stuff I have no need for. Then the products I have need for don't respond or have ridiculous expectations. I'm going to spend 3 weeks on a video for them for free. Very challenging indeed
I watch all these videos where everyone wants 10 gb eth. O can't imagine using that bandwidth in the homelab.
I was all in until i saw 32gb of RAM. No.no.no.no.no. At least 64gb for a hypervisor if you want to be productive. Pls find me a mini pc that can take at least 64gb DDR4.
Bizarrely weird title, but typical of TH-cam.
I recently started to “hate”/dislike proxmox due to their dumb and weird ideological policies. Their strict refusal to work together with big international companies because they aren’t Open Source will slowly kill then and make Virtualization just worse globally
How many knickers do we have to pay you to not swear in your videos?🤣🤣
4.99..I'm nothing if not flipping reasonable.
.. bottoms
Seems like Proxmox area is pretty much outside of your target audience's interest. Will be happy to be wrong.
What makes you think that? I use Proxmox and have offloaded quite a few services from my Synology on to it, AdGuard, Home Assistant OS on VM and Homebridge, Proxy Manager, practically all Docker Containers, System and Network Monitoring and Admin (various containers, both docker and LXC), CF Tunnels, all VMs, etc. etc.
And the result is all those run better on the Proxmox machine than they ever did on the NAS and, the NAS runs better because it doesn't have to deal with them anymore! On the NAS the only containers and Apps I have running now are file management and those that need access to data and media libraries stored on the NAS, Calibre, Plex, Audiobookshelf etc.
I'd say it's a safe bet I'm not the only one who's done that, and I'd also bet there are quite a few more that would be interested once they know a bit about it, and what it can do for them.
Any news regarding new Qnap and synology models?