Planning A Homelab - Cluster Time! Minis Forum MS-01
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- 2Gb internet has required some upgrades and allowed me to finally rationalise a lab rebuild. Here I discuss how I'm architecting the lab and why I've chosen the Minis Forum MS-01 as my workhorse.
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00:00 - Introduction to MS-01, Internet Upgrade
01:46 - Minis Forum MS-01 Overview
04:34 - Thoughts On How To Use
07:30 - Network Diagram & Explanation
12:09 - Coral TPU WiFi E-Slot
12:48 - Power
13:14 - Sneak Peak of Cluster
14:08 - Internet Hardware
14:38 - Next Video - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
This is exactly what I would do with a handful of these machines. It's cool to see someone actually do it, especially with the config being a little atypical.
Thanks, will be covering the config in the next video (once I've figured it all out 😂)
Thanks for the demo and info, as always another awesome video Jim, Have a great day
Thanks, you too!
Excited for all the new topics you have lined up. Good luck with all of it.
You can get your firewall in HA mode (I think):
Create a VLAN and plug your fiber into an Switch that uses that created VLAN as an untagged port. Tag that VLAN to every port where your ms-01s are plugged in and you should be able to use a VM with an ethernet Port configured in Proxmox with that VLAN. Mark it in the Cluster as HA and it should work.
Thanks, I'll retest. Might be complicated by using a WAS-110
I could confirm it works. I use a vlan for my isp to fw
Mini Forums should have a AMD edition on the way for next month
@@ulrikboesen that's good to know
you dont even need vlans, just connect all minis to a switch + isp and whenever one mini fails, opnsense will get restarted and connect with either pppoe or based on MAC dhcp, good thing is, even if using virtIO networking, you set MAC inside opnsense without having to set it physically on the port
Just a small word of warning with the ms-01. I had nothing but problems with proxmox using the 2.5G ports with proxmox/opnsense. They would just not run at full speed at least with opnsense. I ended up buying a managed 2.5G mikrotik switch and used the 10G ports from the ms-01 and connected my modem to a 2.5G port and that solved all my problems.
Good to know. I haven't seen that yet, I'm getting 2.5Gb on speed test.
Great video Jim!
Currently in my homelab I have DL360 Gen10 and DL380 Gen10 (currently for sale) which I want to replace with three MS-01. Your video convinced me that this is a very good idea.
It is working well for me, my only concern is longevity of the device but time will tell. It's a great little machine.
@@Jims-Garage Thank you for your answer!
I'll think about it more, I'm currently testing my DIY server
Specs below:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MOBO: Gigabyte MC12-LE0, RAM: 4x 32GB DDR4 ECC UDIMM, 2 port 10Gbps SFP+ NIC, 2x 256GB SSD in the mirror on Proxmox and 4x 1TB NVME in the adapter connected to PCIE x16. This mobo supports bifurcation. The server is in the IPC 2U-2404L housing
So far I'm very satisfied.
Now I'm wondering whether to build two more such servers or buy three MS-01.
@@oSAendI’m curious about the power draw on your DIY server as I like the BOM you came up with. How does it compare to the MS-01? I particularly like that it has ECC RAM and you can bifurcate the x16 slot to get the most flexibility / performance out of it.
As you say it’s really food for thought 🤔
from a power draw perspective alone, this is going to be a huge upgrade, especially with the i5 version. and you don't even sacrifice management, you still have IPMI etc. IMO this box is a perfect homelabber system.
Great video looking forward to the next one. I keep changing my mind between using an itx motherboard with a 13500t or higher and these machines. Keep them coming & thanks for all the hard work on these videos.
All depends what you're after. This is a great all in one, but the 13500t likely is more expandable and easier to work with.
@@Jims-Garage Absolutely, these machines are great for the size. More expandable is also going to mean bigger. I currently do similar to your setup but using micro pc's (10th gen cpu) but always limited by the network which they only have one with these machines you get four plus expansion. I think these machines are just in between the dell & HP micro pc's and a full size pc. My only other concern would be life span of the units and replacement options for when they do fail, I suspect in 5 years if one fails you won't find them around and your back to hashing it out again :) Fair play for taking the jump not sure I would, well not until I watch your videos anyway :)
I'm also a bit torn here, I'm trying to get as close to a "do it all" server for VMs, router/firewall, NAS, all in a somewhat low-power and small package (sure I could just go with a cheap Epyc chip + mobo from China on ebay, but that's a bit much).
The Ar900i ITX from minisforum is also appealing, it's got four m.2 slots and a 16x PCIe slot, after doing some digging I've found someone on reddit had success with a M.2 to 16x riser cable on this board, and was able to use an LSI HBA on this adapted slot to add hard drives to it (keeping the onboard 16x slot free), he also made a 3d printed bracket to fit it in a Jonsbro N3 case on the opposite side of the board from the onboard 16x slot to hold this LSI card. I also found another video confirming the Synology E10M20-T1 works on this board, this adds a 10g base-t port and two additional m.2 slots. So as long as I'm fine without a dedicated GPU, this would be quite the beast of a machine that has everything else in an ITX package.
I'm leaning back to the MS-01 though because of costs, having a bunch of HDD storage would be nice, but I don't really need it, and PCIe 3.0 U.2 drives are pretty affordable for a good chunk of reliable storage. I'm thinking of going two Intel Optane 1600x 128gb m.2 in a stripe, not a lot of capacity but enough for VM OS volumes for what I'm doing, and the limitation of the 3rd slot at PCI 3.0 x2 doesn't hurt this drive. Then in the future if I really want to add HDDs, I could hook up a USB 3.2 jbod enclosure. And now I still have the 16x free to add a better GPU or whatever else.
@@coinholio470 it's always a difficult decision but both are a good choice. Pick one and be happy IMO.
As for m.2 to PCIe, I've been using one for a year in my main PC. I record all of my videos with an elgato card that is attached to my m.2 via PCIe adapter. So far it's been perfect.
@@coinholio470 If you need storage you could always hook up some network attached storage instead or usb (more stable) I think the key thing with these systems is power usage vs network interfaces, you just can't find anything else in the same size, power usage with the same nics (I have tried). My only concern is how long they will last, I expect if they fail it will be an entire new system and this is were the price may seem not so good. I'm still on the fence with purchasing and fair play to Jim for taking the plunge.
Hi Jim , It is very exciting homelab project but i suggest putting links every products you use to get the highest bandwidth available like the brand name of thunderbolt cables you are using etc. Cause I noticed that so many people on the net could get enough speeds over thunderbolt bridges . Awesome work btw. Congratulations.
Thanks, I'll add it
My $.02 on boot drive. I would highly recommend an Optane drive, even if just a small one... I get away with 16gb but I wouldn't recommend anything smaller than 32gb unless you want to be running scripts to clear up space after every upgrade. Much higher write resiliency and random IO. I was using them for a while, since LTT gave me the idea, but then I saw level 1 do a video on Optane as well. GL with the new lab! Congrats on the fiber!
Thanks, good idea 💡
Waitin for the next video. Great Video.
Thanks 👍
I've recently setup a medium availability Opnsense on my pve cluster using the proxmox HA rather than Opnsense HA as I only have a single public IP.
The key for me was using the cluster resource mapping for the hardware pass thru and having the cable modem connected to all the node Wan ports using a separate switch (in my case I used locked down vlan ports on my main switch), set the Mac address in the wan interface and then as long as opnsense is only running once (as it should with HA) then only one wan connection is active. You could use a small SFP+ switch like a mikrotik for sharing your wan to all nodes.
Works great, single IP, not true HA but in an unplanned failure, downtime is only a few minutes and for planned stuff, I can migrate easily.
Thanks, that's what I'm thinking of doing as well. Hopefully cover it in the future.
I’ve been eyeing these for a similar 3 node cluster setup. Great idea with using thunderbolt for network, I haven’t thought about that! I agree that the chassis limits the options for the add-in cards, and it feels like a bit of a waste to just discard the chassis.
Would be great if you could buy the board and fit your own cooling
@@Jims-Garage yes totally. Wouldn’t mind trying to fit 3 in a rack shelf or custom chassis either, that would be an interesting project.
Got my MS-01 last week to replace my 10 year old proxmox box, pretty nice box! Put an NVME in the pcie slot to mirror the gen 4. Could not think of anything else to put in there haha
Good tip! I was thinking the same!
I'm looking forward to how you set up this cluster! I grabbed some MS-01s too and I'm excited to see how you set up thing so I can also improve my setup! I'm really curious how you got the internal proxmox ring buffer set up. Right now I have it all connected to a switch since I've never done something like that before and I'm not quite sure how to do it correctly.
Coming soon! I'll link to the documentation I used and show the process and some testing. It's really impressive.
Dream setup right here
Thanks, still have a lot to learn.
Hi Jim, great video!
About the coral TPU, I'm using one together with iGPU passthrough in frigate. The TPU is used for the frigate detection mechanism, the GPU for hardware offloading the ffmpeg streams. So frigate benefits using both. Frigate is running HA mode. If a node fail it will boot on another node just file. Live migration is not an option, but the system is back in about 3 minutes, which is totally fine with me. I use the resource mapping feature in proxmox for this.
Thanks for the info! Sadly I have a dual chip tpu and I cannot get it to show using lspci. Do you have single?
@@Jims-Garage I have the single indeed, because my slot has only one pci-e lane connected, as most wifi slots have. Some have no pci-e connected at all... Only CNVI / CNViov2. If your slot has only one lane connected, at least one TPU should show up... You could try it in an other slot with a M-key to A/E key adapter?
Hello, really good idea the 40 gb USBC for the internal Proxmox ring, what is the cable type you use for that ? In other video can you focus on the proxmox config ?
It's a cable matters thunderbolt 4 certified cable. Yes, I'll cover configuration in the next video.
You know, doing videos like this really isn't healthy for my wallet. You should know better!
It's fine, you only need 1 kidney and lung 😉
I have it set up exactly the same way. I only used Ipv6 for the internal routing from a Video i found online. Works great.
No i just realiesed I'm using the 2,5gbe for the internal ring and i got the 10gbe bonded to the switch
Hi Jim. Did you look at ipvs(adm) and a virtual IP address? Maybe three lines off of a switch connected to the modem, so that each of the nodes can assume the role of the uplink with a virtual IP address just in case the "current active node" goes offline`? As long as the HW switch between modem and cluster doesn't fail, your should be good to go.
waouh...jalous...ok enjoy! thx for the video :)
I really like that sign on your back right! I really need to learn vLAN My apologies, thank you for the informative video.
Haha, thanks. I'll be covering my vLANs soon
Great video! Earned a sub!
Thanks for the sub!
Mate take a look at an older Sophos appliance, you can load OPNSence on them and it solves your firewall issue for not much more monies
Thanks, it's running well on the MS-01 atm
I spent a couple of days trying to iGPU passrhough the Xe to a linux VM and had no luck, so I'll be very interested to see how you go. For now, I've installed the desktop OS directly on the MS-01 and using an Incus VM to run Proxmox. I'll also be running Proxmox Backup Server in an Incus LXC container and passing through a 4TB NVMe to it.
I have it working without issue (no sr-iov though). Follow my GPU passthrough guide, those instructions still worked for me on 24.04 server.
@@Jims-Garage Great. Do you mean you currently have full iGPU Xe passthrough working with a Ubuntu VM on an MS-01? I track a few forums and I have not seen anyone post anything positive yet. Which guide do you mean?
All great stuff, nice seeing you doing more clustering~
Not certain how much experience you have with ceph with SSD OSDs but just keep in mind you want enterprise SSDs/NVMe(s) for longevity and reliability; plenty of fast consumer SSDs but not many of them handle the demands of ceph -- if you see worse than expected speeds keep that in mind.
Thanks, appreciate the warning. Some experience but lots to learn. Was going to try with 1TB nvme with 550TBW - see how that works out. I've some similar with longhorn for a few years and imagine it's similar wear and tear.
@@Jims-Garage The problem is not really TBW (for good consumer drives) but rather the poor write speeds over time/and both with heat. Also, you really should use a drive with PLP power loss protection. Consumer drives really are just a poor choice for Ceph.
TH-cam ate a reply I had in here, but it was along the lines of considering an M.2 NVMe carrier board (with a switch chip as the MS-01 doesn't appear to have bifurcation support, unless that has changed recently) -- won't be able to recommend the Supermicro AOC-SLG3-2M2 because of this but there are other options out there if you need more NVMe storage.
Do keep in mind that the switch chip on these carrier boards will be the limiting factor so look for something beefy that carries all the needed lanes for each NVMe SSD.
Finally, backing up what Justin has added -- you really want to seek out NVMe SSDs with PLP -- these are usually designated as M.2 22110 and are all mostly enterprise SSDs as they need that additional room for capacitors~
@@avluis86 thank, I'll check those drives out (I had these because UGreen sent me them).
You absolutely need SSDs with PLP or your CEPH cluster will be painfully slow.
Wow. Amazing video. Can you please explain vlan setup and also software define network over the 3 proxmox node? Maybe a squid proxy to make vm'n in sdn connect to internet
Thanks. I'll discuss some of my vLANs in the next one. There's no sdn, the thunderbolt 4 is used as a network adapter
Subscribed, bell is on! Cheers!
Awesome, thank you!
Cool idea with the Thunderbolt ring. Curious how the Ceph cluster is performing? I also have a cluster of 3 and considered a Ceph cluster. If I understand it correctly, a replicated storage array would hit the SSDs much harder than if the VMs were just running on their individual node.
I'll hopefully be able to feedback on performance in the coming weeks. It will definitely hit the drives harder but I estimate around 5 years for my nvmes. I'm happy with that.
@@Jims-Garage it was 3 or so years for me when I used QLC drives so that is probably just about right.
Looks great Jim. Are you going to be integrating the Ugreen NVMe NAS into this as well? I'm going two nodes with the Ugreen NVMe NAS. Very interested in the Thunderbolt internal network connectivity. Looking forward to the next session!
That was the plan... Unfortunately the thunberbolt 4 wasn't stable on the UGreen NAS, you cannot use both ports simultaneously from my experience.
@@Jims-Garage Well the good news is I can just use the 10GbE connection for now as i'm not limited there. Curious if you planed on using another OS on the Ugreen NAS. I will probably go TrueNAS Scale. I have to see if TrueNAS Scale as a CSI driver.
Excellent video Jim, I too now have 2Gb internet from a company called BRSK. I also just installed a 42U rack and some aircon in a 3m x 1m room I have that comes off my office. This thunderbolt networking looks really cool. I don't think I can justify another spend on these things though once I have seen this now I will find resistance hard. I already have a flawless 3 node cluster of ryzen 5 3600s though with 128Gb RAM each. Not using ceph though, I have a Flashstor12 over 10Gb and another biggish Truenas box.
Nice, that sounds like a great setup
@@Jims-Garage I'm also trying to go low power now so am messing with a lot of arm stuff, have you seen the turing pi2 and the RK1s? I have 4 of those with 32Gb RAM each and did something funky with the M.2 slots. Instead of being conventional I got some m2 to 10Gb adapters and stuck them in so each of the RK1 has a 10Gb going to the flashstor too. Working well, just got proxmox running on them al running in a 2U rackmount.
@@DigisDen those look cool! I like the idea of them, I just find arm lacking in compatibility for many of the things I need. Hopefully that'll change in the near future.
This is a wicked video :) although you called the 2.5gbe fiber :). Why not get a 8 port Mikrotik SFP+ switch ? then link them all together via SFP+ ?
Thanks, it kind of is. My fibre goes into a switch and converts it to 2.5Gbe rj45. It's because all the IO is stupidly upside on the MS-01 and my was-110 doesn't fit due its heatsink.
I wish I had 2G fiber Internet.. I mea 1G would make me happy as hell. I am on 150/50 on coaxial cable :) anyway looking forward that CEPH setup..
Hopefully soon? I was on 80/20 for years...
Nice set up Jim! I'm looking at getting these MS-01 as well. I've setup a thunderbolt ring on some old 2013 macs using syncos guide and it is great to have that speed on such an old machine. About your Ceph setup.. don't you want to run the VMS on your Ceph drives for High Availability so that if a MS-01 node fails it will switch over very quickly? Or do you have another plan for that?
Yea, that's the plan. However, I do iGPU Passthrough which means they won't fail over. Others will benefit from it though, and the data will be secure.
I've done this, but I installed a 4 port sfp+ adapter in each so the entire cluster is using DAC. One 10gbe ring network for the proxmox cluster and another for ceph. I don't trust networking over USB.
unsure where my earlier comment went, but it had an external link so maybe it got cleansed!
had recurring lock up issues with the MS-01 with a k8s workload! after doing all the usual things: bios update, microcode updates etc things are looking more steady. would love to get this working stable without having to do something like disable the efficiency cores.
have you had any lock up with container workloads? great video!
All 3 machines have been running k3s for a few days, I haven't had a single issue. I wonder if you have a bad unit?
@@Jims-Garage that was my first thought, but I saw a lot of posts with people having the same issue! no crashes in 1 week tho, im hoping im good
Wow that setup looks very cool. I'm curious to know more about the WAN connection. Are you using your ISP ONT or removed it in favor of the SFP+ port? How does that part work in your network? Thanks for your great videos, learning a lot!
My ISP doesn't have modem mode currently. I'm having to bypass their router with a was-110. I plug it into a switch and convert it to rj45 to save an SFP port on the ms-01. It could go straight into the ms-01 though (if the heat sink wasn't so large!)
@@Jims-Garage cool, didn't know about the was-110. i will investigate. thanks
Great stuff I’d love one of these devices
So far, so good!
@@Jims-Garage can I ask where you bought them please? Was it amazon or minisforum direct?
@@kevinhughes9801 2 from minis forum website, the third from Amazon UK (be sure to click the discount check box for £150 off)
@@Jims-Garage great thank you
For my fiber internet, I terminate to the switch and layer 2 vlan it to proxmox over the VLANs port. Then, the firewall can migrate to any host. Also have the option of HA firewall. But with firewall on ceph clustered storage, the hardware concern is less of a concern.
Thanks, I used to do something similar. Little trickier with hardware passthrough and the was-110 ont SFP stick but I'm going to keep experimenting.
@Jims-Garage I believe you can power off a guest and migrate. The same hardware pass through then applies I believe providing you have configured.
Suggestion , buy a unifi aggrefator switch. Link aggregate the rwo 10gbits interfaces at 20gbits and your firewall Will be abble to migrate and have high avaibility. This bucause if router fails everthing fails on the cluster , i Will bot like my firewall and internet to BE a point of failure 🙂 cheears from Portugal 🤗
Thank you. I actually ordered one earlier this afternoon!
@@Jims-Garagewell done :)
Doing something similar but starting with 1-2 nodes (main one being ms-01) 4gbit fiber and kubevirt instead of proxmox. Following!
I have been thinking about building a new homelab server for the past 4 months now 😅 and I really want to replicate your setup but my main concern is storage. I want to add HDs and there are 2 options either DAS over USB which is really flimsy especially with power saving or maybe using a SAS card. Maybe I should just build a NAS but then wouldn't it be better to build an AM5 build with Supermicro H13SAE-MF? Too many choices 😅😅😅. Can’t wait for your next update!
Thanks. If it helps I have a dedicated NAS outside of this cluster. I don't intend to change that.
Are you going to stick with K3s or are you also considering to move over to Talos? Awesome video by the way I’m following the exact same path by using the ms-01s
Right now I'm focusing on migration and stability, as such migrating existing k3s. I will likely go RKE2, but am definitely going to look into Talos. Want to limit the number of unknown variables at present.
don't be hung up on lack of ha fw - do this part with sep boxes, also run 20g bonded and then make the management network with 2.5 - simpler, faster and easier
I recently came across the MINISFORUM BD790i with the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX. It supports up to 64GB DDR5 RAM, has two PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots for fast storage, and includes a PCIe 5.0 x16 slot for high-end GPUs like the NVIDIA RTX 4090. Plus, it comes with a robust cooling system and plenty of connectivity options including 2.5GbE LAN, HDMI 2.1, and USB-C. It seems like a solid choice for a high-performance setup in a small form factor.
I agree. Put a quad NIC on it and it's a great option. I did consider it for a while.
@@Jims-Garage I have four BD790is clustered like this with a Miktrotik 10G switch (used the PCIe slot for a 10G card) plus two 2TB NVMes per machine. runs like a top. and 4 nodes makes Ceph extra happy, lol.
@@0xKruzr damn, that's some serious horsepower!
For the single point of failure / non-HA firewall issue, you could bring in the WAN via a VLAN on the last SFP+ port on your Unifi switch, then you can migrate the firewall VM across the cluster without any hardware dependency and minimal downtime.
A good idea but sadly those ports are only 1Gb
@@Jims-Garage SFP instead of SFP+?
My internet is 2Gb not 1Gb, I'd lose half of my speed.
I am from Brazil ! Simply Fantastic Home Lab. I was curious how you did the "Internal Only Ring" network settings. To perform the Celph Cluster Sync. Could you please include this topic in your next video?! Thanks.
Nice, I got 4 of those and did something very similar except I went 2 TB wdlback 850x's for ceph and 1tb patriot p300's in the next slot for the proxmox drive. That ring drive was a disaster for me on 4 units (I had a 4 unit setup with the beelink ser7's previously)
4! Very nice 👍 sounds like you have a similar setup.
@@Jims-Garage yep. I put the opnsense on dedicated hardware though. virtualizing the router sketches me out. I did it with a 12th gen intel but if i were to do it now I would probably investigate the aliexpress lower power stuff with 10 gig and then do two of them in high availability just for the router.
Nice James😊
Thanks - took a while this one!
@@Jims-Garage I was not expecting you to upgrade everything on your network!
Hi Jim, looking into a similar setup. How are you getting the thunderbolt 4 ports as a nic in proxmox?
Check this out gist.github.com/scyto/67fdc9a517faefa68f730f82d7fa3570
Thanks!
Thanks, Henry. That's very generous.
I was looking to get a MinisForum MS-01 and see if I can fit a MBA card and use it for storage , but can't find a external 4/6 bay unit which just has a PSU where you can plug the all the sata plugs into it , they are all USB or thunderbolt .
With 20 line CPUs it's hard to work out how do you get a GPU , sata and 10GBT network .
thanks very interested. I have one of the minis forums running unraid connected to my qnap via iscsi.
Nice, sounds like a cool setup
k3s storage is something I struggle with. I have used longhorn, NFS and openebs. Then moved to ISCSI, and everything seems to be really stable, but that means I'm relaying on a single instance of truenas. It would be cool if you could make a video comparing HA storage solutions for k3s and their performance
Will look into it. I'm currently using longhorn but looking into ceph.
Longhorn can be extremely buggy. I have lost databases because of it. When everything works, it works beautifully, but every few months, something fails to start. The biggest issue, in my opinion, is the io speed. If you have a demanding work load or a large db, everything comes to a crawl. This is with nvme storage backing across 4 nodes
@@hansaya yes, I've witnessed many of the things you mentioned. Thankfully I don't have anything that is too heavy on IO but if that changes I might need a different solution. I'm keen to go ceph for a single solution but need to figure it all out first.
@@Jims-Garage One thing saved my bacon many times is using a reliable backup solution. Learned that from my longhorn saga :(. I use Velero and I highly recommend it. Very easy to use as well
@@hansaya thanks, will take a look. Currently using PBS, rclone and Google drive
As far as router redundancy. It’s gonna cost a bit of coin but you could do two UniFi UDM Pros running one in shadow mode.
That would free up your first MS-01 so it could be cycled without a network outage
If you use something like Proxmox, it can handle it as well (when 1 node goes down, it'll just move the VM given you use something like Ceph or another way of "shared storage").
The issue would still be that his WAN goes out but the UDM Pro has that exact same issue (unless you have say, redundant WAN links).
I'm curious how much you've leaned into the Proxmox SDN features with this new deployment.
Nothing yet but potentially. I don't really see a need for it at the moment.
@@Jims-Garage Likewise, although the baked in IPAM could be interesting.
@@kc9nyy would love to learn how to use that myself, personally. (also 73 DE KC2KOA!)
Have you had any issues running Proxmox. Are they any special setup to keep it stable.
So far no issues at all. I simply upgraded to the latest version with kernel 6.8. I'll report back any problems I face.
The only thing I wonder about these is the number of PCIE Lanes if you were to attach a disk shelf or similar to it.
You should be able to fit at least 8 drives to an HBA and probably 16. However, without full ECC I won't be doing it.
@@Jims-Garage for homelabs this is the kind of thing where DDR5 for consumers comes in handy.
For the lab I'm overall not too worried about ECC. I'd never go without it in an enterprise environment though.
Sometimes I miss the hardware raid controllers with their own redundant power. Then I remember how annoying it was when they died.
Hi! Jim,
I have exact same setup like you but I have ordered dual ports 25gbe pci card for cluster. I am curious if I use TB4 port on MS-01, Do I need just cable or need TB network device to use them as cluster network? How much speed you get on TB4 networking?
Hi, as shown in the video and description links. Cable matters thunderbolt 4 cable, just a cable. Speed is a little over 25Gb (around 2.6GB/s)
@@Jims-Garage Were you able to fix the IPv4 issue with TB networking? I have similar issue.
I was very interested in this MS1 machine but the e-cores hindered my push lol.
Latest kernel tends to just handle it, you can also pin cores if you need. Have to remember it's basically a laptop in SFF.
How are the P-E cores handling the virtualization?
We tried running virtulizers on 12Gen when it came out and it was a horror . ESXi , Proxmox and Red Hat KVM didnt know what to do with the e-cores. The only workaround was to just pastru the P cores which makes buying this thing pointless.
I'm on kernel 6.8 which I believe has an improved scheduler. So far I haven't had to manually intervene and everything seems fine. I will dig into core utilisation once I'm a little more settled.
I have the MS-01 and SR-IOV with the Intel iGPU works fine. I have the 12th gen variant and it works out great. I loaded it up with 2x48 GB sticks and this is my low power Proxmox node. I have successfully passed through the iGPU to multiple VM's at the same time (max. 7) and GPU decoding/encoding also works. Just know that when it comes to LXC containers there are some caveats from what I understand. Might be better to just run a VM with e.g. Docker or Podman on it and then spin up a Handbrake or Jellyfin container or something if that is what you're going for.
That's great to hear. Do you have a link to a guide you used in case of any caveats, or is it the standard approach?
@@Jims-Garage There is some caveats atm : you must pin kernel to last 6.5.X version because 6.8 not compatible with the i915 dkms
@@gtarrare thanks, I just read up on that. I'm already running 6.8...
@@Jims-Garage HW accelation working in a plex LXC and Jellyfin in VM (Ubuntu 22)
@@Jims-Garage I tried to left a comment yesterday but YT removed it... I pointed that out as well. Don't run kernels newer then 6.6
Was the power draw of 130w the combined total of all 3, or was that per ms-01 for a total of 390w for the whole cluster?
The whole cluster (all 3 combined).
@@Jims-Garage thanks! Thats about 20w lower than my current single hypervisor.
I am curious to see if you have any problems with the 2.5 GbE ports. I had the I226-V (the one without Intel AMT capability) for the fiber connection and an ONT that can handle 2.5 Gbps. Ever so often, that connection stalls and can only be recovered by a NIC reset (either ifconfig down/up or cable disconnect). This is a problem that has been discussed on pfSense forums as well and is actually worse than with previous generation I225 chips where this never happened to me. It seems to happen only at 2.5 Gbps, not at 1 Gbps.
I've had it running for a week without an issue but that on a single unit running latest kernel 6.8
@@Jims-Garage So you have the OpnSense running as a VM - I use it plain vanilla.
@@Jims-Garage Kernel 6.8 indicates you are using OpnSense under Proxmox. Is it true that you use the NIC in bridged / virtualized mode or do you have it passed through to the VM? My reason for asking is that I found a "reset on TX hang" part in the igc driver - but that is present only in Linux, not in FreeBSD.
You can sync opnsense config between them and configure it as an active-passive cluster, so eventually just manually switch to one?! But I think this can also be automated. Also, I prefer k0s to k3s, as it seems more stable to me and easier to deploy/upgrade with k0sctl tool
Thanks, I'm reading up on it now.
Take the fiber in on the Switch. Otherwise you just sacrefice your redundancy by having opnsense just havint it on one node. Virtualize the entire network
First! Great video
Can these three sit on a rack side by side? Or would it be too wide for a 1u setup on a shelf?
Yes, if you had a shelf it would just fit a standard 19" (about 21")
@@Jims-Garage might be time to retire my 3 Dell r620s
@@JohnWeland they've done their duties!
Using Thunderbolt 4 for a ring network is honestly genius. I do have to ask though... Since you use Thunderbolt 4, shouldn't the theoretical throughput be around 40 Gbit/s? You mentioned it's around 2.6 GB/s, so it's around 20 Gbit/s. Where's the other half?
Is it just a limitation of Proxmox? Do these Minis Forum PCs have cheaper Thunderbolt chips built in and it can't use the full capability? Or does Thunderbolt not allow Full Duplex communication?
It's because the networking stack within TB4 caps out at ~20Gb. Data transfer should reach ~40GB. The TB4 used is fully certified in the MS-01 for full speed.
Also, you may already know that vPro requires native vlan only but has a cool feature you use called serial over LAN for lan based console access. I combined this with a secondary path for guest vlans. hence the comment that vpro requires native vlan. Worth noting I am not using the minisforums hardware.
Thanks, John. That's good to know, I haven't yet dabbled with the vPro feature yet. This will be useful
Here's my solution to have HA firewall. It is not perfect but it works for me.
I have a 3 node NUC setup and to have a high availability firewall I created a vmbr to 1 dedicated lan port on each node (each time the same port). As the modem has 4 ports, I directly connect this port of each node to the modem. This vmbr is set as wan on my pfSense instance, nothing else on linked to it. I was not able to set the modem in bridge mode (fiber is too complex for me), instead on the modem I set the IP of pfSense as dmz. All traffic hitting my modem is in fact redirected to my pfSense, with my internet IP facing directly facing pfSense.
With HA, if the node where my pfSense goes down it automatically starts back on another node. Thanks to ceph it goes quite fast. I'm now considering to have 2 OPNsense instances running instead of 1 pfSense to have no downtime.
Thanks, this is similar to how I used to have it. However, using the WAS-110 SFP stick has complicated matters. I'm keen to keep trying though.
11:55 create a CARP HA setup so they switchover automatically but TBH i'd rather use a descrete firewall box/appliance to keep that part separated from the rest
can't seem to find my comments after adding links to the resources I used... are links going to cause it to get deleted?
Yes, unfortunately links are not permitted. It's a TH-cam anti-spam thing.
How much does that cost per month on the internet side of things?
It's £90 / month
@@Jims-Garage WOW that's incredible especially for the UK!
did vmedia over provision that to 2.2Gb/s
The speed test in the video is the best I've done so far, maybe?
NAJS :)
Tell us how you create 26 gigabytes Ethernet over the USB!
Will do, but you can skip ahead and read here: gist.github.com/scyto/67fdc9a517faefa68f730f82d7fa3570
thank you great video
Glad you enjoyed it
14:30 geek and he has friends...damn I need to work on my social skills
NPCs count right?
980pro....till you run out of cache. This is why I stopped with consumer storage....
In an ideal world I'd use enterprise kit but for now they're fine. Most workloads I have are small and bursts
Why not run your fiber into the switch first
I could but it doesn't really solve anything given I'm using a WAS-110. I might be wrong though.
Not sure why but I though PvE failover would happen withough the backhaul...
It would, but 25Gb is faster than 10Gb.
reach guy you are or well sponsored by vendors - how does it relfect your audience? ;-)
I bought these myself, no sponsor unfortunately. I appreciate these are expensive and not suitable for everyone (you don't need 3!), but I see this is a long term investment where I should reover the money in energy saving (not cheap in the UK).
@@Jims-Garage I know, I live here as well. My complete Home LAB is around 150W 24/7 - that includes 3 servers, few Raspberries etc.
overkill in any budget .. in my humble opinion
Perhaps, but it's about the same price as a high end gaming machine and for me it's far more useful.
@@Jims-Garage the benefit in self-training, setting situations like this up, is well worth it imo.
Did similar setup with R740XD. So not that much overkill.
Overkill is nice.
@@TantissTheEmperor nice! That's some horsepower! 💪