David Mitton shipping engines ( and boats) is a controversial but hilarious observation. Percy and his smooch, Lillie and Hercules' thing, Daisy's pink buffers...
I think I’m a bit naive here; what’s the significance of Daisy’s pink buffers? My best guess is some trans allegory but that feels like a massive shot in the dark
@@thomasfan8889 did you know daisy's theme was based off a strippers I forgot the exact one but if you listen to you can definitely hear the resemblance
It seems like when it comes to romance in Thomas the Tank Engine everyone is okay with the idea of it revolving around the humans like Sir Topham Hatt and Lady Hatt. Imagine if they did an episode where Thomas's fireman has a girlfriend then Thomas and his driver plan out a very romantic date for them. It may sound silly, but it's be a sweet gesture.
I haven't seen every take on shipping in ttte fan content, but I believe Victor Tanzig's approach is one of the best in how to approach shipping. Engines are unable to replicate relationships in an exact manner as humans (i.e. physical gestures or affection). Yet like many good relationships, they can form close bonds and dynamics through compatible personalities. This doesn't always mean engines can stay together, with all the complexities of how railways are run. But these engines have some autonomy and if engines can form friendships, it makes sense that some of those bonds can go deeper.
One thing I could add is that it's possible that Emily, despite being portrayed as a sister to most of the engines who is one of the closest friends with Thomas, could have a crush on him on certain episodes as he is one of the engines who has extremely fondness over him. In fandom, she's also one of main characters whom people tend to mostly ship Thomas with.
I guess the engine characters having romantic feelings for each other is itself believable, considering they pretty much have all human emotions, but obviously they are extremely limited on physical abilities, so cannot act on romantic love. Thomas, for example seems to have what looks like a crush on Ashima.
And rosie had(?) a huge crush on thomas in her first episode (it was pretty obvious she was meant to be the Amy to Thomas's Sonic), and thankfully they dropped the angle. They even dedicated a whole s21 episode to confirming their relationship stays platonic.
My Rule of thumb on this for me personally is the trains can feel love for each other and maybe be in a relationship, BUT none of them actually kissing and doing inappropriate things like everyone did with them back in 2008. Other than that yes love can exist for an engine in my book on that level I just described
It would actually be impossible for two engines to kiss. (Due to their buffers and etc.) It would really only happen if a crash occured, that wouldn't be something good.
Totally agree! Someone trying to explain how they kiss and stuff is a special kind of cringe. I personally subscribe to Victor Tanzig's approach, where he flat out explains in the opening of the episode "Affection," do engines feel love? Yes. However, being machines, they likely feel love vastly different from humans. I think this is fine because it avoids cringe by not trying to do anything physical with the engines. They can be romantic, but they don't, and shouldn't, feel the same degree of sexual desire a human does.
I respect your opinion on romance in Thomas and other kid’s media, but personally, I think it’s sweet seeing two characters get together in Valentine’s Day specials like Rosie is Red. Even though I prefer to be single, but still, it warms my heart seeing a couple getting along together just as long as they’re meant for each other.
Even tho I have ships of my own in TTTE and TUGS, I wouldn't forced them to be canon in the actual show. If anything, I think the show is perfect just the way it is.. Like my childhood 💕 Amazing video mate!
I feel an engine feeling romantic feelings for another engine isn’t an impossibility, it’s just wouldn’t be the same as how romance is conveyed by people. The engines should definitely not (& just can not) show love physically. No kissing, handholding or anything else I don’t want to think about as they’re bloody locomotives! It’s the idea of the engines doing any of that which is what makes Thomas fans feel weirded out & hate the idea of engines feeling love, and that is very understandable & agreeable. The #1 Rule of a RWS/Thomas Fan: . *If it’s impossible for a real life engine to do it, than they can’t do it.* The only thing that should be allowed is having faces, personalities & talking. But it is undeniable that the engines in the RWS/Thomas do have certain relationships with each other, whether it be platonic working relationships, sibling relationships or close friendships. There are character who hate each other, characters who tolerate each other & characters who are close friends with each other, so the possibilities that perhaps some characters do have stronger romantic feelings isn’t too far fetch of an idea. How it would be conveyed however is where the questions come up. For me, I feel like it would be more akin to the idea of your romantic partner being ‘Your Other Best Friend’ rather than as a ‘smoochy doopey’ couple. Someone that you can rely & trust beyond all others. You could argue that if they’re basically just best friends ‘why not just make them best friends,’ which I do agree with, but I don’t think it would be a direct 1:1 exact same thing. EG: I don’t think Toby & Percy have the same relationship as Toby & Henrietta (the latter 2 especially in the CGI era). Also I guess it’s not impossible for 2 engines to be seen as a couple. If there was for example 2 engines which shared a branch line, weren’t related, was only them, shared a shed and were seen as inseparable by the people who work on the line, would that be seen as an engine couple? Why am I thinking so much & putting so much effort into this?! I don’t even care much about this topic when it comes to Thomas/RWS! WHY???!!!
I feel that romance should never take centre stage in children's media. The way it was done in Season 5 of Thomas is perfect. It was not in the centre stage and it was something that pre teen kids can relate to.
In my humble opinion, I don't see a reason why the Thomas characters can't have romantic feelings. My justification for this is through a good example of a romance in the series working, which can be found in the CGI series where we see the relationship between Toby and Henrietta, they have an old married couple feel to them. So therefore if a believable romance can be proven to work then I see no reason why a similar romantic relationship can't take place between some of the other characters. A personal relationship I think would be nice, is one between Thomas and Ashima I chose her because she is the most interesting and believable love interest that has been shown in the series. I like to think she would be the type of companion who would support Thomas in his lowest moments and berate him if he was being unkind and selfish. I also think it would be sweet if Thomas is somewhat protective of her and will severely scold anyone who tries to bully or tease her. This is because he genuinely cares about her because she would have really made a difference in his life and now he is dead set on being there for her. Anyway back to the whole love debate in the series, I guess the bottom line is that in this series, romantic love can be explored, but only in a way that is 100 percent realistic and believable. A thing to remember is to look at the engines as characters with their own personalities, rather than just defining them as railway engines due to their appearance.
I think David Mitton was already trying to take things further in TATMR. I just always felt there was something between Thomas and Lady, or at least written to seem that way. Calling all Engines even has a bit where Thomas dreams about Lady.
I can definitely see the argument there. I've had that thought growing up, too. However, looking back on it, Thomas referring to Lady as "beautiful" the first time he sees her could have just as well been his genuine reaction to witnessing who's essentially the island's guardian angel in the flesh. Mind you, as soon as they got back to Sodor, both of them had a target on their backs by Deisel 10, and Thomas was trying to keep a barrier between him and Lady that whole chase. **Not to mention, TATMR is considered non-canon to the show, so it's a moot point anyway. When Lady returns in Calling All Engines, her origins are kept vague as this benevolent anomaly so that she can act as Thomas' dreamworld profit (and recast Deisel 10 as this bully-esq final obstacle Thomas has to conquer in the film).
When it comes to shipping in Thomas & Friends, I’m personally mixed on it. I allow fans to express their take on character relationships, but I just don’t take part in these weird fanfiction trends. As for the series itself, here’s how I reacted to those two infamous fantasy sequences: Thomas X Rosie (Rosie Is Red) - I didn’t mind the episode itself, but that fantasy sequence is one of the most nauseating things I’ve ever seen (no joke, I felt lightheaded just looking at it). Emily X Edward (Emily’s Best Friend) - Regardless of what I thought of the episode overall, I burst into uncontrollable laughter when that fantasy sequence came up.
The funny thing about Thomas disliking Rosie (besides it being only one of MANY times the "Thomas hates the new tank engine" trope appears) is that Rosie's basis (american dock tank) is the engine that actually replaced Thomas's basis (the scrapped E2's). So when viewed through the lens of Thomas potentially resenting rosie for her class basically being responsible for his own class being scrapped, their relationship gets a lot more real.
@@astrochaos4182 1) comparing young brash thomas to wise old Toby is crazy. 2) Toby and Mavis DID hate each other at first, but became friends after the latter saved the former from dying.
As a kid I always wondered if Rosie and Thomas liked each other and wondered if they'll ever say how they feel later down the line I can't believe kid me was right
I feel AaronCottrell97 wrote some of the relationships he put together in a believable way, especially on how Sir Topham Hatt told them that they would need to do their work first before they could act on those feelings for the rest of that time. Hell, Thomas' rage towards anyone who hurt Emily was quite intense
@@MrSonicHedgehog ..I just read my favorites.. Until Death Do Us Part basically made me so pissed at Sailor John, I want to shoot him with a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in .44 Magnum if I was there.
@@rbgerald2469 ikr? Making Thomas that worried all over again even with him 6 feet under. At least we got a pseudo wedding for Thomas and Emily with David standing in to facilitate it all. God it got me to tear up just imagining it happening. If it was for real, Percy would be the Best Man for sure
@@MrSonicHedgehog ..Me too. I also liked the recent ones he dropped. I actually liked Burnt Out Rosie.. Her and Stanley together are just wholesome. With Stanley being a Boy next door of the NWR, but a kinder one at that, he is suitable with Rosie!
Certainly an infamous topic in the series, but one I take a keen interest in. Don't know if you've seen any of the Unlucky Tug's content recently, but in his (unlisted) video on explaining Thomas and the Magic Railroad and all the differences between the scripts and final film, he says that in the workprint, after the gold dust is replenished, Thomas says to Lady, "You're quite a lady," to which she replies, "Thank you." I don't know who came up with that line, but I would say it's kind of a happy medium between both ends of the relationship spectrum you touched upon. It's subtler than in 'Rosie is Red,' but probably a bit more gutsy than what you'd see in the RWS. Food for thought, as they say.
That video's been released? I've been looking for it 😂 They were definitely going somewhere with Thomas and Lady, something to add to the fascinating production history of that film!
In the world of Thomas section, I feel like the people like Britt Allcroft and David Mitton and everyone were just focusing on the Railway Series because they knew if they did something like Henry’s Forest they would get ridiculed by Awdry with his sour attitude after the episode, but then they started just going with their gut and having free will prior to Awdry’s death.
I do agree I like it being superfluous and not some main driving force of anything, Rosie is red is definitely just a good moral but delivered in one of the weirdest ways possible through a mostly realistic talking train show…
I think the best person that can do romance with Thomas is Victor Tanzig! He does them in a realistic way! I recommend watching his series, it’s amazing! Not just about that, the stories, the characters, the action, etc.
Well, I think a romantic relationship between engine characters can work, but it would be no more than the two engines bonding on an emotional or spiritual level while working. Like helping them do better when they work together, or hilarious banter between the two. I don't see how they could even do anything apart from that. I mean, how can they kiss? Their buffers prevent them from getting close enough lol. And they're machines that are build in a factory, so they can't feel anything sexual.
I was thinking Thomas and Emily can have some banter due Thomas’ cheeky persona. I don’t like how their dynamic was handled in the Hit Era. Thomas, Emily and the other engines mostly act like children which is not good
@@samsea0489 True, but I see what you mean about banter. I did like how Thomas and Emily bantered in the Season 8 Episode "Halloween". However, this shows what happens to a franchise when it gets into the hands of those who see profit and don't have the imagination to make it interesting. Both the Hit Era, and the Bwaba Era show this. But hey, the fan base treat it well. And to me that's all that matters. . NWR1991 . Victor Tanzig (The Stories of Sodor) . ShunterProductions . Project Tigermoth . 22Tesla . Narrow Gauge (Horror of the Rails) . Simon A.C. Martin (The British Railway Series) . The Blue Snowplow (The Horrors of Hawin Lake) etc. People, Not companies, make the greatest things. So companies like matel making nonsense like "All Engines Go" don't have to mean anything if you don't let it.
Now I love the episodes Thomas and the Birthday Mail and Rosie is Red (Along Lady Hatt's Birthday Party and Happy Ever After), but I respect your opinion.
Personally, I like to think that engines can only experience romantic attraction, which makes sense as they, unlike people, are not born but built. Romance for an engine would essentially just be a more emotionally intimate friendship, which would build off how platonic relationships in the franchise are shown. It would make decent sense for how a machine would experience love and it would be different from how people experience it. Also come on Gordon called BoCo "the most beautiful sight he had ever seen" you can't tell me they aren't dating.
I think the engines having romantic feelings for each other is kind of silly, since it doesn't make much logical sense. The engines are built, not born. But that doesn't mean they can't feel strongly for each other in a platonic sense. They all still have feelings and personalities, and that will give them all unique opinions and views of the world.
I too respect your opinion, I think it's kind of interesting to see Thomas characters having romantic connections. Plus, I think Thomas and Rosie are a fitting couple. I'm gonna add that to my favorite main character ship list: Phineas X Isabella (Phineas and Ferb) Randy Cunningham x Theresa Fowler (Randy Cunningham: 9th Grade Ninja) Steven X Connie (Steven Universe) Kick X Kendall (Kick Buttowski: Suburban Daredevil) Milo X Amanda (Milo Murphy's Law) Sonic X Amy (Sonic the Hedgehog) Star X Marco (Star Vs the Forces of Evil) Luz X Amity (The Owl House) Aang X Katara (Avatar: The Last Airbender) Dipper X Pacifica (Gravity Falls) Penn X Sashi (Penn Zero: Part-Time Hero) Thomas X Rosie (Thomas & Friends)
It may just be the aro/ace in me, but I like to think of the nonhuman characters as having more queerplatonic relationships. I think Oliver and Toad as well as Toby and Henrietta have something like this. They share a bond that I think is more intimate than friendship but it isn't romantic. They're life-partners but in a completely platonic way. That's how I see their relationships anyway.
It's very likely that it'd be something along those lines. Maybe one of the engines starts to ask questions and doesn't understand it themselves, but through some narrative ends up appreciating the impact those feelings have on people. Would have been a great story for a young Thomas whilst his drivers fell in love with Sodor people!
"Rosie is Red" is a completely misunderstood episode, and you wouldn't blame me for calling it so. From when the episode came out dubbed in Italian (cuz the episode didn't come out in English until it aired in Australia that same year lol), people took the episode as a "shipping" episode as if Davey Moore, the writer of the episode, took the Thomasshipping concept into an episode, which of course I think everyone complained about the episode by either not watching the episode, or giving the episode a chance, or not giving a shit about looking further into the episode at all. From where I'm coming from. The episode is about Thomas and Rosie being rumored that they are a cute looking couple, which causes Thomas to stand up for her at the Docks after Diesel bullied her at the Docks while Bill and Ben arrived just to see the world get set on fire. After that, Thomas becomes unusually defensive about standing up to Rosie, which makes Rosie cross. Later, the two meet up and talk about the situation in a mature manner despite the both of them feeling nervous. After that, Thomas and Rosie don't have feelings for each other, and are just good friends (of course). Then, Sir Topham Hatt proposes to Lady Hatt with a cat as the episode ends. That episode alone shows not only a good message on how to stick up for your friends, but it does show that just because two people are friends doesn't always mean they would have feelings towards each other. But because the fandom is so stubborn sometimes, they see the episode as this weird shipping one over a fantasy sequence that is obviously all in Thomas' imagination and not in reality and take it like it's an offensively bad episode, which isn't even that bad of an episode at all. It has a lot of good moments like Percy interacting with Edward and saying that every day should be Valentine's Day, Thomas speaking to Henrietta and Toby about Rosie and what happened at the Docks, and Sir Topham Hatt using Thomas and Rosie for a special, but important occasion at Vicarstown Station and the way he handles it is surprisingly good. We hardly see Lady Hatt that much in the show, and I'm happy they did something with her and Sir Topham that same episode.
Nailed it on the head! The ideas that make up this episode are a merit. It's execution, including the fantasy sequence, just takes a step a bit too close into what is a more human means of expressing one's self. For me that's where the episode blips.
@@mechanicalshed4556I like how Thomas and Rosie handled the situation they were put into in "Rosie is red", but the fantasy sequence could've been removed without giving bad Deviantart users the motivation to post cringe. It just shows us Thomas struggling with how he describes his opinions on Rosie. "Rosie is red" wasn't the first time Thomas stood up for Rosie. He did defend her in "Hector the horrid". Overall Thomas has had his good and bad starts when meeting new girl characters from what I can remember. Good introductions: Molly's special special Journey beyond Sodor TATMR Thomas, Percy and Old Slow Coach Number one engine Bad introductions: The Great race The BWBA movie Emily's new coaches The Adventure Begins
I used to be one of those people who shipped Thomas trains back in the day 😂 These were my ships: Thomas X Molly Percy X Emily Toby X Mavis Duck X Rosie Oliver X Lady Boco X Daisy
you forgot one Emily in "Emily's Best friend" see's herself dating Edward... poor old Edward being chased by Emily, run Edward run like your trying to save James in old iron! but the photobooth scene was a tolerable fantasy sequence.
Ah with that one it was specifically focused on platonic friendships, hence I didn't include it. I can see where you're coming from with the photo booth scene though!
Bit of a grey area that one, it's heavily implied and treated as it's own thing but it's all the same TV show so from a production p.o.v. it all gets considered as one thing. That's how we end up with problems such as the Sam Wilkinson map 😂
@@mechanicalshed4556 Who's says that it is the same show? The production is completely different in CGI from location to people. If they were trying to persuade us that CGI was meant to be an upgrade of live action series, they would have replicated the original face masks to be used for reference and then freelance their facial features a little bit when it came time to animate them. Also Sam Wilkinson is not a reliable source of information. He's a scammer and gatekeeper. He doesn't know what he's doing. He wanted to make Cranky's model remote controllable without fixing the obvious faults like the falling facemask and wonky eyes. And regarding BWBA, such nonsense was enforced by Mattel. The company in question had no business with the model era whatsoever. Therefore trying to mingle their logic ( which is them trying to blend in with other goofy cartoons ) with an era they had nothing to do with ( nor care about ) creates a confusing mess.
I also have mixed opinions on that subject. But another one that happened is the thing between Gordon and Rebecca which some times looks like ship fuel 💀💀.
I'm sorry Sir Shed I hear what you're saying nice video great video but I literally can't stop wheezing in some kind of ecstatic nausea over that piece of Tugs script where Hercules is described as d e l i c i o u s.
My theory is that trains can be romantically involved and they wont show any of that on an anthropomorphic train Rosie can be Thomas' girlfriend just in a different way
Credit to Cars, it's setting is very different to the completely real-world Sodor, with a lot of liberties that they take advantage of. But it does pose the question of how it can work for them and whether or not any of that can be applied to Thomas 🤔
Here's a thought : What if Thomas and Rosie did end up dating, and then Rosie gets pregnant and gives birth to all engines go Thomas ( dont ask where I come up with this stuff , you're better off not knowing)
Not quite, this was the first video I posted after hitting 500 subs. Because of uni studies there was a bit of a time gab between the milestone and a new upload, though I was under 600. I'm baffled at the sudden increase 😂
I HATE Rosie is red SO much, all because the fandom ships them (including me lol) doesn't mean you have to make a STUPID BWBA EPISODE ABOUT IT! Steam Engines having romantic feelings for each other is a very inappropriate storyline, ok!
@@mechanicalshed4556 They are manufactured I'm factories, with spare parts as a reference for the engine's new parts, with designers trying to some how merge two different types of locomotives, and engineers losing their minds trying to build them, before finally. Another locomotive is made. Which could be an absolute nightmare of ergonomics, or a complete failure. They're likely converted into a more practically locomotive design or scrapped for more spare parts.
well if you're a real locomotive you will most likely to break up with your partner due to certain depo allocations that will decrease the chance of meeting your partner again.
Uh actually in the book Thomas and the school trip a school girl kissed Thomas at the end of the story- wait oh the age gap oh nooo. Anyways nice video
Ah, didn't know that happened! Knew about a book dedicated to Valentine's day, but the print media for Thomas is so vast I couldn't count it without the risk of missing stuff.
i think the concept of romance for engines is odd. relationships definitely exist for the humans but how does a train do romance. there's not really a way to do so. trains can't kiss, they don't have 'private parts' and something like touching buffers is not like holding hands since pretty much every engine does that to just about anyone and anything for strictly work purposes. the only way trains can act romantic is by uttering like... sweet nothings to other engines? It just doesn't really seem to fit with the concept of sentient engines.
I'm gonna throw a curveball and say Ashima. Thomas friendzones Rosie and Emily is described as being his sister figure by the production team so it kind puts them both out of the picture 🤷
What I think is that the vehicles are aroace and don't really care about relationships with one another, but acknowledge that people have relationships.
*Bill and Ben do indeed want to watch the world burn*
"Those little demons!" - Gordon 1965
Watching Mattel burn hopefully
Bill and Ben. Being little sh*ts since the 90's.
At this point Edward should give them the belt
David Mitton shipping engines ( and boats) is a controversial but hilarious observation. Percy and his smooch, Lillie and Hercules' thing, Daisy's pink buffers...
Transportation: *exists*
David Mitton: "But what if they kissed?"
I think I’m a bit naive here; what’s the significance of Daisy’s pink buffers? My best guess is some trans allegory but that feels like a massive shot in the dark
@@thomasfan8889 just that is as a weird unnecessary femimising trait.
@@thomasfan8889 did you know daisy's theme was based off a strippers I forgot the exact one but if you listen to you can definitely hear the resemblance
@@jockdouglass3824 the piece is called "The Stripper"
It seems like when it comes to romance in Thomas the Tank Engine everyone is okay with the idea of it revolving around the humans like Sir Topham Hatt and Lady Hatt. Imagine if they did an episode where Thomas's fireman has a girlfriend then Thomas and his driver plan out a very romantic date for them. It may sound silly, but it's be a sweet gesture.
I would love to watch something like that, if it's done in a respectful and mature way.
Maybe Thomas and his crew could prepare a special dinner train for the date
5:09 Psychiatrist: Chad Percy isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Chad Percy :
He's hot
I burst out laughing
I haven't seen every take on shipping in ttte fan content, but I believe Victor Tanzig's approach is one of the best in how to approach shipping. Engines are unable to replicate relationships in an exact manner as humans (i.e. physical gestures or affection). Yet like many good relationships, they can form close bonds and dynamics through compatible personalities.
This doesn't always mean engines can stay together, with all the complexities of how railways are run. But these engines have some autonomy and if engines can form friendships, it makes sense that some of those bonds can go deeper.
I have to agree.
Victor Tanzig did do an amazing job at it
This approach is how I view the concept as well.
“James, we’re married”
5:07 it’s a sign of admiration, like an engine blushing because they were praised by passengers, drives controllers, ect.
One thing I could add is that it's possible that Emily, despite being portrayed as a sister to most of the engines who is one of the closest friends with Thomas, could have a crush on him on certain episodes as he is one of the engines who has extremely fondness over him. In fandom, she's also one of main characters whom people tend to mostly ship Thomas with.
I guess the engine characters having romantic feelings for each other is itself believable, considering they pretty much have all human emotions, but obviously they are extremely limited on physical abilities, so cannot act on romantic love. Thomas, for example seems to have what looks like a crush on Ashima.
How did I forget Thomas and Ashima, I think I have more to look into!
And rosie had(?) a huge crush on thomas in her first episode (it was pretty obvious she was meant to be the Amy to Thomas's Sonic), and thankfully they dropped the angle. They even dedicated a whole s21 episode to confirming their relationship stays platonic.
My Rule of thumb on this for me personally is the trains can feel love for each other and maybe be in a relationship, BUT none of them actually kissing and doing inappropriate things like everyone did with them back in 2008. Other than that yes love can exist for an engine in my book on that level I just described
It would actually be impossible for two engines to kiss. (Due to their buffers and etc.)
It would really only happen if a crash occured, that wouldn't be something good.
Totally agree! Someone trying to explain how they kiss and stuff is a special kind of cringe. I personally subscribe to Victor Tanzig's approach, where he flat out explains in the opening of the episode "Affection," do engines feel love? Yes. However, being machines, they likely feel love vastly different from humans. I think this is fine because it avoids cringe by not trying to do anything physical with the engines. They can be romantic, but they don't, and shouldn't, feel the same degree of sexual desire a human does.
I agree, but also I think their buffers touching can be the equivalent of hand holding?
Agreed
Wait what are you referencing in 2008
I respect your opinion on romance in Thomas and other kid’s media, but personally, I think it’s sweet seeing two characters get together in Valentine’s Day specials like Rosie is Red. Even though I prefer to be single, but still, it warms my heart seeing a couple getting along together just as long as they’re meant for each other.
That's fair, what I've said here only really applies to Thomas. We do love a good ship! 😄
Personly I like Thomas and James jk lady and Thomas
5:10 We really didn’t need to see that 😂😂😂
We certainly didn't, but we do things the Great Cursed Way on this channel 😂😂
@@mechanicalshed4556 (insert "Therapist: Chad Percy isn't real, Chad Percy can't hurt you" reference here) 😣
Even tho I have ships of my own in TTTE and TUGS, I wouldn't forced them to be canon in the actual show. If anything, I think the show is perfect just the way it is.. Like my childhood 💕
Amazing video mate!
I feel an engine feeling romantic feelings for another engine isn’t an impossibility, it’s just wouldn’t be the same as how romance is conveyed by people.
The engines should definitely not (& just can not) show love physically. No kissing, handholding or anything else I don’t want to think about as they’re bloody locomotives! It’s the idea of the engines doing any of that which is what makes Thomas fans feel weirded out & hate the idea of engines feeling love, and that is very understandable & agreeable.
The #1 Rule of a RWS/Thomas Fan:
. *If it’s impossible for a real life engine to do it, than they can’t do it.*
The only thing that should be allowed is having faces, personalities & talking.
But it is undeniable that the engines in the RWS/Thomas do have certain relationships with each other, whether it be platonic working relationships, sibling relationships or close friendships. There are character who hate each other, characters who tolerate each other & characters who are close friends with each other, so the possibilities that perhaps some characters do have stronger romantic feelings isn’t too far fetch of an idea. How it would be conveyed however is where the questions come up. For me, I feel like it would be more akin to the idea of your romantic partner being ‘Your Other Best Friend’ rather than as a ‘smoochy doopey’ couple. Someone that you can rely & trust beyond all others. You could argue that if they’re basically just best friends ‘why not just make them best friends,’ which I do agree with, but I don’t think it would be a direct 1:1 exact same thing. EG: I don’t think Toby & Percy have the same relationship as Toby & Henrietta (the latter 2 especially in the CGI era).
Also I guess it’s not impossible for 2 engines to be seen as a couple. If there was for example 2 engines which shared a branch line, weren’t related, was only them, shared a shed and were seen as inseparable by the people who work on the line, would that be seen as an engine couple?
Why am I thinking so much & putting so much effort into this?! I don’t even care much about this topic when it comes to Thomas/RWS! WHY???!!!
I feel that romance should never take centre stage in children's media. The way it was done in Season 5 of Thomas is perfect. It was not in the centre stage and it was something that pre teen kids can relate to.
In my humble opinion, I don't see a reason why the Thomas characters can't have romantic feelings. My justification for this is through a good example of a romance in the series working, which can be found in the CGI series where we see the relationship between Toby and Henrietta, they have an old married couple feel to them. So therefore if a believable romance can be proven to work then I see no reason why a similar romantic relationship can't take place between some of the other characters. A personal relationship I think would be nice, is one between Thomas and Ashima I chose her because she is the most interesting and believable love interest that has been shown in the series. I like to think she would be the type of companion who would support Thomas in his lowest moments and berate him if he was being unkind and selfish. I also think it would be sweet if Thomas is somewhat protective of her and will severely scold anyone who tries to bully or tease her. This is because he genuinely cares about her because she would have really made a difference in his life and now he is dead set on being there for her. Anyway back to the whole love debate in the series, I guess the bottom line is that in this series, romantic love can be explored, but only in a way that is 100 percent realistic and believable. A thing to remember is to look at the engines as characters with their own personalities, rather than just defining them as railway engines due to their appearance.
I think David Mitton was already trying to take things further in TATMR. I just always felt there was something between Thomas and Lady, or at least written to seem that way.
Calling all Engines even has a bit where Thomas dreams about Lady.
In the original work print, Thomas straight up hits on her
I can definitely see the argument there. I've had that thought growing up, too.
However, looking back on it, Thomas referring to Lady as "beautiful" the first time he sees her could have just as well been his genuine reaction to witnessing who's essentially the island's guardian angel in the flesh. Mind you, as soon as they got back to Sodor, both of them had a target on their backs by Deisel 10, and Thomas was trying to keep a barrier between him and Lady that whole chase.
**Not to mention, TATMR is considered non-canon to the show, so it's a moot point anyway.
When Lady returns in Calling All Engines, her origins are kept vague as this benevolent anomaly so that she can act as Thomas' dreamworld profit (and recast Deisel 10 as this bully-esq final obstacle Thomas has to conquer in the film).
This is a video I never would’ve expected
When it comes to shipping in Thomas & Friends, I’m personally mixed on it. I allow fans to express their take on character relationships, but I just don’t take part in these weird fanfiction trends. As for the series itself, here’s how I reacted to those two infamous fantasy sequences:
Thomas X Rosie (Rosie Is Red) - I didn’t mind the episode itself, but that fantasy sequence is one of the most nauseating things I’ve ever seen (no joke, I felt lightheaded just looking at it).
Emily X Edward (Emily’s Best Friend) - Regardless of what I thought of the episode overall, I burst into uncontrollable laughter when that fantasy sequence came up.
10:30 my favorite part of this whole video 🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌
"Those little demons!" - Gordon 1965
The funny thing about Thomas disliking Rosie (besides it being only one of MANY times the "Thomas hates the new tank engine" trope appears) is that Rosie's basis (american dock tank) is the engine that actually replaced Thomas's basis (the scrapped E2's). So when viewed through the lens of Thomas potentially resenting rosie for her class basically being responsible for his own class being scrapped, their relationship gets a lot more real.
Finally someone else who understands how complex their relationship could be
Mavis’ class replaced Toby’s class too but they don’t seem too fussed
@@astrochaos4182
1) comparing young brash thomas to wise old Toby is crazy.
2) Toby and Mavis DID hate each other at first, but became friends after the latter saved the former from dying.
Dude the S100’s didn’t replace the E2’s. They came before the E2’s. Both classes were replaced by the BR Class 07.
@@MistaOlivuhsalty got some explaining to do
As a kid I always wondered if Rosie and Thomas liked each other and wondered if they'll ever say how they feel later down the line I can't believe kid me was right
I saw this on Twitter last week and I'm happy to see it on TH-cam!
I feel AaronCottrell97 wrote some of the relationships he put together in a believable way, especially on how Sir Topham Hatt told them that they would need to do their work first before they could act on those feelings for the rest of that time. Hell, Thomas' rage towards anyone who hurt Emily was quite intense
You read him too? Nice! I also read his fanfics as well.
@@rbgerald2469 I recently finished Thomas and the North Star so I'm nearing the end of everything before I restart again lol
@@MrSonicHedgehog ..I just read my favorites..
Until Death Do Us Part basically made me so pissed at Sailor John, I want to shoot him with a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in .44 Magnum if I was there.
@@rbgerald2469 ikr? Making Thomas that worried all over again even with him 6 feet under. At least we got a pseudo wedding for Thomas and Emily with David standing in to facilitate it all. God it got me to tear up just imagining it happening. If it was for real, Percy would be the Best Man for sure
@@MrSonicHedgehog ..Me too. I also liked the recent ones he dropped.
I actually liked Burnt Out Rosie.. Her and Stanley together are just wholesome.
With Stanley being a Boy next door of the NWR, but a kinder one at that, he is suitable with Rosie!
this was wonderful. thank you for addressing this topic. you are very underrated, you just got a subscriber
Thank you! :D
@@mechanicalshed4556 np :)
Certainly an infamous topic in the series, but one I take a keen interest in. Don't know if you've seen any of the Unlucky Tug's content recently, but in his (unlisted) video on explaining Thomas and the Magic Railroad and all the differences between the scripts and final film, he says that in the workprint, after the gold dust is replenished, Thomas says to Lady, "You're quite a lady," to which she replies, "Thank you." I don't know who came up with that line, but I would say it's kind of a happy medium between both ends of the relationship spectrum you touched upon. It's subtler than in 'Rosie is Red,' but probably a bit more gutsy than what you'd see in the RWS. Food for thought, as they say.
That video's been released? I've been looking for it 😂 They were definitely going somewhere with Thomas and Lady, something to add to the fascinating production history of that film!
Where can I find the video? 🥺
Don’t forget that Thomas called Lady “Beautiful”
In the world of Thomas section, I feel like the people like Britt Allcroft and David Mitton and everyone were just focusing on the Railway Series because they knew if they did something like Henry’s Forest they would get ridiculed by Awdry with his sour attitude after the episode, but then they started just going with their gut and having free will prior to Awdry’s death.
this was a very nice analysis-type/review video! well done!
Cheers!
I love the intro.
I do agree I like it being superfluous and not some main driving force of anything, Rosie is red is definitely just a good moral but delivered in one of the weirdest ways possible through a mostly realistic talking train show…
I loved this video so much, you earned a new sub
Are you still being impersonated?
I think the best person that can do romance with Thomas is Victor Tanzig! He does them in a realistic way! I recommend watching his series, it’s amazing! Not just about that, the stories, the characters, the action, etc.
The trains could never kiss because of their buffer beams getting in the way LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Well, I think a romantic relationship between engine characters can work, but it would be no more than the two engines bonding on an emotional or spiritual level while working. Like helping them do better when they work together, or hilarious banter between the two.
I don't see how they could even do anything apart from that. I mean, how can they kiss? Their buffers prevent them from getting close enough lol.
And they're machines that are build in a factory, so they can't feel anything sexual.
I was thinking Thomas and Emily can have some banter due Thomas’ cheeky persona. I don’t like how their dynamic was handled in the Hit Era. Thomas, Emily and the other engines mostly act like children which is not good
@@samsea0489 True, but I see what you mean about banter. I did like how Thomas and Emily bantered in the Season 8 Episode "Halloween".
However, this shows what happens to a franchise when it gets into the hands of those who see profit and don't have the imagination to make it interesting.
Both the Hit Era, and the Bwaba Era show this. But hey, the fan base treat it well. And to me that's all that matters.
. NWR1991
. Victor Tanzig (The Stories of Sodor)
. ShunterProductions
. Project Tigermoth
. 22Tesla
. Narrow Gauge (Horror of the Rails)
. Simon A.C. Martin (The British Railway Series)
. The Blue Snowplow (The Horrors of Hawin Lake)
etc.
People, Not companies, make the greatest things. So companies like matel making nonsense like "All Engines Go" don't have to mean anything if you don't let it.
Now I love the episodes Thomas and the Birthday Mail and Rosie is Red (Along Lady Hatt's Birthday Party and Happy Ever After), but I respect your opinion.
Personally, I like to think that engines can only experience romantic attraction, which makes sense as they, unlike people, are not born but built. Romance for an engine would essentially just be a more emotionally intimate friendship, which would build off how platonic relationships in the franchise are shown. It would make decent sense for how a machine would experience love and it would be different from how people experience it.
Also come on Gordon called BoCo "the most beautiful sight he had ever seen" you can't tell me they aren't dating.
The CGI series should make an episode called "Thomas's girl got stolen"
I think the engines having romantic feelings for each other is kind of silly, since it doesn't make much logical sense. The engines are built, not born. But that doesn't mean they can't feel strongly for each other in a platonic sense. They all still have feelings and personalities, and that will give them all unique opinions and views of the world.
I too respect your opinion, I think it's kind of interesting to see Thomas characters having romantic connections. Plus, I think Thomas and Rosie are a fitting couple. I'm gonna add that to my favorite main character ship list:
Phineas X Isabella (Phineas and Ferb)
Randy Cunningham x Theresa Fowler (Randy Cunningham: 9th Grade Ninja)
Steven X Connie (Steven Universe)
Kick X Kendall (Kick Buttowski: Suburban Daredevil)
Milo X Amanda (Milo Murphy's Law)
Sonic X Amy (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Star X Marco (Star Vs the Forces of Evil)
Luz X Amity (The Owl House)
Aang X Katara (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Dipper X Pacifica (Gravity Falls)
Penn X Sashi (Penn Zero: Part-Time Hero)
Thomas X Rosie (Thomas & Friends)
It may just be the aro/ace in me, but I like to think of the nonhuman characters as having more queerplatonic relationships. I think Oliver and Toad as well as Toby and Henrietta have something like this. They share a bond that I think is more intimate than friendship but it isn't romantic. They're life-partners but in a completely platonic way. That's how I see their relationships anyway.
I really like this! Toby and Henrietta definitely had something in the CGI series :)
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I think how Victor Tanzig handled relationships in his series was the right way to go about.
@Signal Box Films Agreed!
@Signal Box Films ..Oh come on, is it his racist shite?
They're talking about The Stories Of Sodor, not Sodor Shorts. Jeez.
@@rbgerald2469
Don't mind them. They are extra sensitive prats who are riding on a high horse.
Agreed. But his Stories of Sodor is for much more mature audience and not kids.
@Signal Box Films why not?
1:36 so in the Railway Series love is seen as a human thing that machines don't understand and don't try to comprehend
It's very likely that it'd be something along those lines. Maybe one of the engines starts to ask questions and doesn't understand it themselves, but through some narrative ends up appreciating the impact those feelings have on people.
Would have been a great story for a young Thomas whilst his drivers fell in love with Sodor people!
@5:09 OH MY GOD THAT IS SO CURSED!! XD
Just them feeling love then asking a human what that feeling is then, they don’t know what to do w/ it!
"Rosie is Red" is a completely misunderstood episode, and you wouldn't blame me for calling it so. From when the episode came out dubbed in Italian (cuz the episode didn't come out in English until it aired in Australia that same year lol), people took the episode as a "shipping" episode as if Davey Moore, the writer of the episode, took the Thomasshipping concept into an episode, which of course I think everyone complained about the episode by either not watching the episode, or giving the episode a chance, or not giving a shit about looking further into the episode at all.
From where I'm coming from. The episode is about Thomas and Rosie being rumored that they are a cute looking couple, which causes Thomas to stand up for her at the Docks after Diesel bullied her at the Docks while Bill and Ben arrived just to see the world get set on fire. After that, Thomas becomes unusually defensive about standing up to Rosie, which makes Rosie cross. Later, the two meet up and talk about the situation in a mature manner despite the both of them feeling nervous. After that, Thomas and Rosie don't have feelings for each other, and are just good friends (of course). Then, Sir Topham Hatt proposes to Lady Hatt with a cat as the episode ends.
That episode alone shows not only a good message on how to stick up for your friends, but it does show that just because two people are friends doesn't always mean they would have feelings towards each other. But because the fandom is so stubborn sometimes, they see the episode as this weird shipping one over a fantasy sequence that is obviously all in Thomas' imagination and not in reality and take it like it's an offensively bad episode, which isn't even that bad of an episode at all. It has a lot of good moments like Percy interacting with Edward and saying that every day should be Valentine's Day, Thomas speaking to Henrietta and Toby about Rosie and what happened at the Docks, and Sir Topham Hatt using Thomas and Rosie for a special, but important occasion at Vicarstown Station and the way he handles it is surprisingly good. We hardly see Lady Hatt that much in the show, and I'm happy they did something with her and Sir Topham that same episode.
Nailed it on the head! The ideas that make up this episode are a merit. It's execution, including the fantasy sequence, just takes a step a bit too close into what is a more human means of expressing one's self. For me that's where the episode blips.
@@mechanicalshed4556I like how Thomas and Rosie handled the situation they were put into in "Rosie is red", but the fantasy sequence could've been removed without giving bad Deviantart users the motivation to post cringe.
It just shows us Thomas struggling with how he describes his opinions on Rosie.
"Rosie is red" wasn't the first time Thomas stood up for Rosie.
He did defend her in "Hector the horrid".
Overall Thomas has had his good and bad starts when meeting new girl characters from what I can remember.
Good introductions:
Molly's special special
Journey beyond Sodor
TATMR
Thomas, Percy and Old Slow Coach
Number one engine
Bad introductions:
The Great race
The BWBA movie
Emily's new coaches
The Adventure Begins
Every day, we stray further from Awdry
We sure do, poor guy will be rinsing his eyes and prepping for a double take
Wait a minute... Where's the groom in "Happy Ever After"? The bride is present, but her newlywed husband isn't.
So, who else is the wedding for?
I thought he was present, but then I'm going off memory because it's been a while since I've seen that episode 😂
DeviantArt moment
I used to be one of those people who shipped Thomas trains back in the day 😂
These were my ships:
Thomas X Molly
Percy X Emily
Toby X Mavis
Duck X Rosie
Oliver X Lady
Boco X Daisy
you forgot one Emily in "Emily's Best friend" see's herself dating Edward... poor old Edward being chased by Emily, run Edward run like your trying to save James in old iron!
but the photobooth scene was a tolerable fantasy sequence.
Ah with that one it was specifically focused on platonic friendships, hence I didn't include it. I can see where you're coming from with the photo booth scene though!
I ship it! Edward X Emily!
@@mechanicalshed4556 fair enough but the way they done the scene was suspicious (so was the BWBA era in general) but hey atleast Edward got a role
Remember that CGI isn't cannon to the live action series. It was Mattel's doing after all.
Bit of a grey area that one, it's heavily implied and treated as it's own thing but it's all the same TV show so from a production p.o.v. it all gets considered as one thing. That's how we end up with problems such as the Sam Wilkinson map 😂
@@mechanicalshed4556 Who's says that it is the same show? The production is completely different in CGI from location to people. If they were trying to persuade us that CGI was meant to be an upgrade of live action series, they would have replicated the original face masks to be used for reference and then freelance their facial features a little bit when it came time to animate them. Also Sam Wilkinson is not a reliable source of information. He's a scammer and gatekeeper. He doesn't know what he's doing. He wanted to make Cranky's model remote controllable without fixing the obvious faults like the falling facemask and wonky eyes. And regarding BWBA, such nonsense was enforced by Mattel. The company in question had no business with the model era whatsoever. Therefore trying to mingle their logic ( which is them trying to blend in with other goofy cartoons ) with an era they had nothing to do with ( nor care about ) creates a confusing mess.
Mattel doesn't know what the hell there doing
When i was little i always thought thomas and emily where in love when i saw the season 8 episode Halloween
Nice to meet a Fellow Skunk
I also have mixed opinions on that subject. But another one that happened is the thing between Gordon and Rebecca which some times looks like ship fuel 💀💀.
Amen
What have we done as a species …
Phwor! Look at the buffers on her!
I'm sorry Sir Shed I hear what you're saying nice video great video but I literally can't stop wheezing in some kind of ecstatic nausea over that piece of Tugs script where Hercules is described as d e l i c i o u s.
To hear that the d e l i c i o u s gag has a lasting impact is quite rewarding tbh 🤣
*sees **0:00*
*walks out like Drivr3joe*
9:06 FANDANGO THOMAS!
That Thomas face ☠️
My theory is that trains can be romantically involved and they wont show any of that on an anthropomorphic train
Rosie can be Thomas' girlfriend just in a different way
does the same applie to robots that look like and have simularities to humans?
I still think Rosie is Red a sweet and funny show.
Well vehicles in Pixar Cars can have love relationships, Why not trains in the Thomas universe?
Credit to Cars, it's setting is very different to the completely real-world Sodor, with a lot of liberties that they take advantage of.
But it does pose the question of how it can work for them and whether or not any of that can be applied to Thomas 🤔
5:51 haha happy.
Here's a thought : What if Thomas and Rosie did end up dating, and then Rosie gets pregnant and gives birth to all engines go Thomas ( dont ask where I come up with this stuff , you're better off not knowing)
Because the Trains are not Siblings?
wait so he got 320 subs in 6 days
Not quite, this was the first video I posted after hitting 500 subs. Because of uni studies there was a bit of a time gab between the milestone and a new upload, though I was under 600. I'm baffled at the sudden increase 😂
@@mechanicalshed4556 k
I HATE Rosie is red SO much, all because the fandom ships them (including me lol) doesn't mean you have to make a STUPID BWBA EPISODE ABOUT IT! Steam Engines having romantic feelings for each other is a very inappropriate storyline, ok!
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I will do a review on Rosie is red epsidoe
how do they breed. tell me
They stoke up the magic in the mountain and- nope not even gonna finish that
@@mechanicalshed4556 They are manufactured I'm factories, with spare parts as a reference for the engine's new parts, with designers trying to some how merge two different types of locomotives, and engineers losing their minds trying to build them, before finally. Another locomotive is made. Which could be an absolute nightmare of ergonomics, or a complete failure. They're likely converted into a more practically locomotive design or scrapped for more spare parts.
@@thehumanvacuum3413 in fact they were built but with faces ofc.
In my AU, many engines are in relationships. These include Thomas & Lady, Henry & Emily, Connor & Caitlin, James & Roise, Gordon & Frieda, etc.
mattel is aware of the ships
well if you're a real locomotive you will most likely to break up with your partner due to certain depo allocations that will decrease the chance of meeting your partner again.
You need more subs downright
Awh cheers!
Uh actually in the book Thomas and the school trip a school girl kissed Thomas at the end of the story- wait oh the age gap oh nooo. Anyways nice video
Ah, didn't know that happened! Knew about a book dedicated to Valentine's day, but the print media for Thomas is so vast I couldn't count it without the risk of missing stuff.
I had that book as a kid. I should really look and see if I still have it kicking around somewhere.
In all honesty any woman that has an interest in thomas would be a huge age Gap, he is 100 after all
@@IceBankMiceElf_873 true that
I have not read or even seen the book but I think it might just be the kiss a child gives to a parental figure.
C62, if you know you know.
Mattel gone off the rails
If trains wreck it would be a train wreck in the community and real world
Pun intended
So fact is that it wasn’t meant to be in the stories. And machines needent be doing non machine things.
i think the concept of romance for engines is odd. relationships definitely exist for the humans but how does a train do romance. there's not really a way to do so. trains can't kiss, they don't have 'private parts' and something like touching buffers is not like holding hands since pretty much every engine does that to just about anyone and anything for strictly work purposes. the only way trains can act romantic is by uttering like... sweet nothings to other engines? It just doesn't really seem to fit with the concept of sentient engines.
Chad Percy
For me I ship phillip the diesel with freida the German engine
Rosie wanted to BE like thomas not..
*that*
Would Thomas date Rosie or emily
I'm gonna throw a curveball and say Ashima. Thomas friendzones Rosie and Emily is described as being his sister figure by the production team so it kind puts them both out of the picture 🤷
@@mechanicalshed4556I thought Thomas and Rosie friendzoned each other
No trains CANNOT have relationships! That’s just stupid!
Thomas and Gina honestly could be about as close too trains being more than friends.
i cant feel love thats the issue
*Percy is based*
What I think is that the vehicles are aroace and don't really care about relationships with one another, but acknowledge that people have relationships.
*DELICOUS*
I'm still waiting for the episode where james puts on a pair of steam engine sized sunglasses and tells Emily how much he likes her "big tender".