Mercedes vs Tesla FSD test: Mercedes tries to kill driver 44 times in 19 mins
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- Mercedes vs Tesla FSD test: Mercedes tries to kill driver 44 times in 19 mins
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It’s a Mercedes. Maybe they just expect everyone to get out of their way.
But do they expect the side of the road to get out of the way?
no such thing as x's way or for or etc, do , be etc any nmw and any s perfx
😅😊😂😂😂
But their system needs to have a car in front to follow 😂
After seeing this, yes, get out of the way, or it'll drive right over you.
Where the NITSA investigation? Reuters where are you?
Consumer reports has been doing this for years.
Consumer reports has been around since 1936, but the reliability really started to take a dive around the early 2000s, coinciding with the decline in print media/magazine sales. To keep their doors open it seems they were more and more willing taking payola for reviews, across a wide spectrum of consumer products they review from smartphones to laptops to tvs to cars.
I saw a similar decline with the reliability in other print media/magazines and the reviews they put out around the 2000s as well. Not that print magazine payola for reviews didn't happen before, but it seemed to have an uptick across all sorts of magazine based organizations when paper subscriptions declined in the 2000s.
@@2drealms196 Funny their financial auditors did not pick up on the payola. How did you find out?
Just received my Tesla FSD trial this morning. It has exceded my expectations by far. It works! If anyone says different they don't know shit. Tesla has truelly figured this out... great job to all the Tesla Engineers for solving FSD. Thank you Electric Viking for the great content.
There is a t3sla owner who actually reviews fsd versions. I wouldn't say it 'works'
Catch the bus…
I just got it 2 weeks back and tried it out in complicated traffic here in SW Florida...and it was pretty amazing. It handled a couple situations I honestly thought was amazing, and really not sure how it figured out what to do on one of them (funny temporary lane shift with someone partially blocking the lane on the one side and an emergency vehicle parked awkwardly on the left). There was only one time I took over and it was probably unnecessary in retrospect..but the car was confidently moving into a hight speed, 3 lane road sooner than I would have LOL. There was one minor negative, on the long drive out of my development there are a couple speed bumps and the car didn’t know to slow down for them.
@@johncahill3644 My car is running the hardware 4 so the FSD 12.3.6 was made available to me last night. Just finished up a round trip drive from Casa Grande AZ into downtown Phoenix Az. Extreme construction everywhere with very aggressive drivers. No interventions... I'm absolutely amazed this car can drive like this. I had it on the aggressive setting and it drives more aggressive than I do but it is very safe. It handles situations different than me but nothing I needed to disengage on. I will stay vigilant.
@@johncahill3644 Catch public transport if you can’t drive…
Thank you Sam! I am canceling my CR membership now.
They went to shit 20 years ago. Demand a refund!
I've had FSD for five years. For most of that time it was terrifying but starting at the tail end of V11 it became useful on highways. V12 is a game changer, its very close to real full self driving. I've been using it heavily on both highways and on secondary roads. I just did a 100 mile trip in New Hampshire on secondary highways. It didn't make any mistakes. It slows down when approaching an intersection. It peeks out to look for traffic at intersections. It sees that other cars have stopped to allow me to turn and then makes the turn exactly as i would have done it. On this trip there were a couple of blind intersections where it waited for me to nudge it to go. These were truely blind corners where you didn't have a clear view of the cross traffic so it made me throw the dice rather than do it itself which was the correct thing for it to do.
Mercedes isn't going to be able to handle roads like this because they rely on hyper mapped highways which isn't scalable.
One more thing. I have FSD set to Chill. If FSD isn't performing as well for you as it is for me try setting it to Chill.
@consumerreports need to respond
INCOMING LIE CAPTAIN!!
Consumer reports has lost all credibility with this deceptive comparison.
They probably stayed within the Mercedes guidelines as to where it should be used.
They've been anti Tesla for over 10 years
CR reports went down the drain 20 years prior. Just took time for people to see it.
@@mnhsty
44 interventions?
Sure it's dangerous to exist
@@mnhsty Realistically, that's less than 1% of the time - by design. Mercedes wants to limit liability and their paid reviews suck.
The two largest funders of consumer reports are the Ford foundation and the Alfred P Sloan foundation. Alfred P Sloan was the former chairman of General Motors. So the two largest financial backers of consumer reports are offshoots of the two largest auto manufacturers in America; is consumer reports biased? Absolutely !😮😢
44? worse then letting a teenager drive.
My dog could drive better.....
or my mother ? 😂
I just begin to wondet how corrupt Consumer Report has become
This is like having a ten year old go into the ring with Mike Tyson.....
A ten year old lion...........
My money would still be on Mike 😂
Consumer Reports can't be trusted to review a kitchen toaster, much less a "self driving" car.
Maybe Consumer Reports factored in A+ for passenger engagement. He sounded like he was holding on for his life for most of the drive.
Haha
I have had nothing but contempt for Consumer Reports over the last decade or so.
It is shocking that actually thought media was of some value. Now, I realize all media is a marketing piece.
@timclifford5172 It took me 40 years … But I have the same conclusion
Another scam from CR? No way! lol That's all they do.
Thank you for reporting this. CR has been an establishment propaganda machine for decades imo.
boycott consumer reports
That has been my default for years.
Consumer reports compares tesla autopilot and not fsd. this is what you missing
Shows how stupid and biased Consumer Reports is. I saw the the Mercedes video with a Mercedes rep and a passenger which revealed all its shortcomings , over a dozen that Tesla doesn't have. Can't go over 40 mph-- doesn't work in cold weather, in inclement weather, or around curve, or while its changing lanes, if sun shines on it certain way, if the car ahead of it is more than 100 meters away, if there is no car in front of it. if the road isn't level, etc. iI is crazy and just false that it is level 3.Why any authority would say that is ridiculous.
Actually they weren't even treating the level 3 version.... just the regular ADAS system that's supposed to hold the road and distance behind cars. Nothing special but it couldn't even do that.
Maybe on a perfectly level, straight highway it would handle it.... but maybe not.
Probably because they're smarter than you. Work one your reading comprehension.
Haters gonna hate. Even when there is a video showing just how much better Tesla is than Mercedes at self driving. But keep hating buddy. One day you, or your children will be using Musk’s technology to get around.
Consumer Reports = Company Reports
I drove the EQS last week from LA to Ventura I tried the Self driving it’s absolutely dangerous and should not be advertised as self driving. Lawsuits waiting to happen.
Mercedes self driving is only allowed at highway under special circumstances and they alow more step by step every year.
Testing this feature on a normal drive is not fair because it's not build for this...
Liar!
@@Goku0583 AutoPilot is far ahead as well. And now we know why there are so many restrictions to lvl3 DrivePilot. Because it's not better than most simple lvl2 drive assistance features from other brands.
Thank you Sam for making this interesting comparative video that makes things clear on this subject, especially with Whole Mars Catalog at the wheel who has followed all the evolution of the FSD from its infancy to its current version practically completed. We will see if Consumer Report will have the balls to answer what I seriously doubt, this organization is truly an absolute shame.
just watching mercedes made me buy more tsla stock
I had the full self driving trial for an entire month, and it made me a believer. The basic free autopilot is not that great, but when you get full self driving it's insane. It literally feels like a person is driving. The vast majority of the interventions were just because of the gps/route, if the gps has it wrong, or I know a better way, or I prefer to be in a different lane, those were 99% of the interventions. This is how we know the media is lying on all fronts.
agree … the basic autopilot is a totally different product
I just tried the new FSD 12.3.6 today. The car got out of my long driveway whitout any issue. It's a gravel driveway with no lines or markings or curb just grass next to it. I had no interventions to go to Whole Foods, auto park there and then go to our local Tesla store.
I was SCARED for the Mercedes passengers! Look at how BOUGHT AND PAID FOR consumer reports is. TOTALLY destroying their reputation LYING to their audience about something so obvious. Just STUPID! NEVER AGAIN will I listen or care about what consumer reports prints or publishes.
This video has been proved fake, made by Elon's biggest fan.
@@dynomotivedyno9194 Source Please
I have driven my Tesla Late 2023 model y for 4 months using the FSD it is amazing as matter of fact twice it saved the car from accident on a CITY street when the car in front of the model y suddenly braked due to a car coming in from a parking lot and the 2nd time around from a side lane !
I’ve been driving a Model S PL for 4½ years and am amazed by Tesla’s improvements in FSD. However, in my testing of v12.3.6, I’ve had to intervene enough times that my wife refuses to accompany me when I’m using FSD. I agree that Consumer Reports is frequently off-base in their reviews, especially with EVs. However, it’s equally a lie that Tesla FSD currently has “zero interventions.” Given the rate of FSD improvement, I believe they’ll get there in a year or two.
CR has never let the facts get in the way a their biases.
My Hyundai lane following is just as frightening. These systems are meant to make the drive safer and more relaxing, but the Hyundai system is very rudimentary. You need to keep your hands on the wheel and be ready for when it tries to steer you into guardrails, concrete barriers, plus it can’t centre in the lane. I’ve tried it a few times and I don’t use it. I test drove a Tesla a few weeks ago and Ive ordered one - it’s like the difference between black and white and colour TV. My Hyundai feels like a steam engine. I also test drove the Ioniq 5N - too much gimmickry and it’s quite chunky and very heavy with a price tag way above the M3P.
Recently bought a 22 Toyota Prius with Lane Center Assist and Steering Assist. Same thing. LCA is like handing the car over to a drunk, SA just randomly decides to steer you away from painted lines. My wife also won't drive in the car with them on. I leave them off except when I'm just playing with them out of boredom.
You are showing a basic Mercedes Assistant to keep in the lane. The most you can compare it with is the free Tesla system. This Assistant is listed on the official Mercedes website as Level 2. Level 3 is provided by the Driver Pilot system. Drive Pilot uses lidar and HD maps and is designed for highways. It will not require you to keep your hands on the steering wheel, but you will not be able to use it in the city or those highways for which there is no HD map.
Why does the Big Guy dislike Tesla? Didn’t invite them to his EV events and touted GM as leading in EVs…How did MB get approved for Level 3 in USA? Guess someone doesn’t like Mr Musk’s tweets.
President Biden is a union guy, Tesla are anti-union. Therefore Biden dislikes Tesla, that's why Biden claimed that GM “electrified the entire automotive industry” under CEO Marry Barra’s leadership. This of course rubbed Elon the wrong way and why he now leans towards the Conservatives. From Politico 9/19/23 - "General Motors CEO Mary Barra has visited the White House eight times since Joe Biden became president". Elon visited the White House numerous times under the Obama and Trump administrations, but as far as I am aware, only once since Biden took office. If Biden was a bigger man he would have sucked it up and apologized to Elon as Elon's vision of electrifying America (and beyond) are a far cry from the views of the fossil fuel industry. Marry Barra is a joke! and is being paid MAGNITUDES OF ORDER more than she is worth. She always has "plans to do this", but never produces the goods. GM could have been the leader of the field, look back at the EV1.
Money under the table
The problem I have is that Mercedes was approved for Level 3 because they will take liability for very limited operational modes. The issue is that liability ends when the systems tells you to take over. So given the large number of scenarios where the system cannot operate you have to be hyper vigilant to take over without forewarning.
I used the FSD month recently and Tesla impressed me. There were a couple interesting lane change decisions but it took us in and out of various areas in Utah, construction and all.
Now I don't expect it to drive correctly in third world countries or New York City, but you can't account for everything and when most people aren't following rules.
Just search for FSD NY and you will be surprised how well Tesla drives in the city traffic.
I've had FSD since the beginning of the Beta and for those who didn't have it then... you missed out on the evolution which makes you respect it so much more! It went from "now way is this going to work on edge cases" to.... " they figured it out - in a year this will be solid.".
I watched the full video. Pretty clear which is best!!
I think you missed an important detail. When CR was comparing Tesla's system to Mercedes, they were comparing Autopilot, not FSD. If you look at the CR score sheet, it clearly says Autopilot.
My opinion of consumer reports is they have always been worthless!
I think what we all missed with that article is that it was to be an amusing comedy. I realized that first knowing how limited the Mercedes systems, and then to see as many as 47 interventions by the end of the video. I got a good laugh out of it. But then I was shocked when I saw videos presented where moderators were asking if this was supposed to have been taken seriously. OH SURELY NOT! Well, I don't think so?
The first chart showed that the Mercedes ADAS was being compared with Tesla's Autopilot, not FSD. So, we have to be clear what the comparison is. Autopilot doesn't stop at a Red or Stop sign.
It's not about the efficacy of the technology, it's about talking up the European Legacy Auto industry and protecting jobs. Instead of allowing the useless directors of ICE Auto makers to fall by the wayside due to their refusal to embrace EVs the EU is acting to protect them at the expense of European citizens who are being cut off from cheaper, more efficient and better built Chinese cars. I've watched many many YT videos of Tesla FSD for the past few years. The rate of improvement and the ability to fix bugs quickly via download versus recall, is astounding and though I've never been in a self driving car, I would certainly trust Tesla to do it. The neurolink learning system is the key, and it will no doubt be a key factor in the fast growing robotics industry too. We are living at an amazing time.
unfortunately protectionism is everywhere in the world Europe, the US and even China.
Allowing Chinese EV makers to take over the automobile market in Europe would be a disaster for the European economy. Which is worse, not having superior EVs or not having a job?
Nice for calling consumer reports out on the comparison. Same road, same weather and same traffic with different autonomous system is the way to test fairly to compare. Mercedes probably dictated to consumer reports to drive on a certain stretch of road under certain conditions they knew their system would perform better thus controlling the test environment and rigging the test. Consumer reports just lost credibility big time.
Well, not to defend Consumer Reports, the Test was done about 9 months ago. While this would make little difference to most makes, it's a huge difference to Tesla with major updates every few months. The CR tests did not use FSD either. Now consumer reports rates quality of the the system only 20% of it's score which is nuts. The other 80% are not important to most drivers but CR adds them to downgrade the safest systems like Tesla Autopilot and FSD.
When I saw "driver 44" and Mercedes, Lewis Hamilton came to my mind :)
SAM, SAM, SAM. Love your channel, I'm in Melbourne and a huge fan. CR score is for Autopilot, just BASIC Autopilot. The video compares the Merc to FSD. Apples to oranges (maybe bananas).
I think it's great that you highlighted Omar's channel. I subscribe but, frankly, he's often more thorough than I need or want. After seeing your report i want back and watched the whole thing ns I also looked into what CR did. CR was big on making sure the driver was paying attention and not so much on the actually capabilities of the FSD system. Basically, CR just drove the cars on the freeway and tried to look away. They gave Tesla a 9/10 for that type of driving. Tesla got no credit for being able to do so much more.
Yep CR based their entire score heavily on whether the car forced you to pay attention... hardly any points given for ability.
One wonders why Tesla doesn't smear CR publically. However I think Elon kind of thrives on being a whipping boy. It motivates him to perform just that much better so he can watch them eat their words.
This is the difference between a car company and a software company. Continuous improvement immediately from the customers fixes issues fast.
The Meredes looks so much nicer inside though. Then again it's expected.
That's the problem. They spent all their money on the interior. The rest of the car is garbage.
This is hilarious! Thank you for this video. I’m a huge skeptic of Consumer Reports. I usually disagree with more than 50% of their conclusions.
Con Job distorts is a bunch on geniuses that's why I took their advice and bought a model Y today.
I did 15 years as a driving instructor, and its the nearest thing you can get to full self driving.
Always waiting for the pupil to do something stupid, The better ones will lull you into a false sense of security.
The problem is, it's far less stressful to drive yourself than concentrating on something else doing the job.
Self driving cars have to be nearly 100% to be any good otherwise it's useless, you will either be playing russian roulette or putting more effort into supervision.
Having given up driving instruction in the 90s and becoming a computer programmer, I can tell you for a fact self driving is infinitely more complex landing a space x booster or an auto pilot on a modern aircraft, and I don't think at the moment anyway the computer in a Tesla or any other car is up to the job, there are just to many variables that need to be processed in real time.
Give it 10 years and they will crack it, but not now.
And remember it doesn't have to be as good as a human, it has to be better.
Proves how far Tesla and their team are ahead of the rest.
Insurance companies will decide what the safer system is.
None are safe enough.
None.
Laughed at Keeping Driver Involved and Unresponsive driver....it really made sure you paid attention!!!
CR tends to rate Teslas a bit poorly in reliability. About a month back they reported on 5 and 10 year expenses and Tesla was the best. Something is wrong with that. I also watched 3 folks involved with their car testing who seemed pretty rational about Tesla. Still one of them said he thought FSD was unsafe. Opinions will vary, but I have been wondering about CR's fairness.
What version of FSD did CR use? My opinion is that it wasn't until 3/16/2024 with V12.3.3 that FSD became outstanding. And V12.3.4/.5/and.6 kept improving and we're excited for (next week's?) V12.4.x.
Something is wrong when you do not give credit for driving without lane markings.
Mercedes is unsafe. Consumer Reports was so dependable for so long. Did they go political?
There are a treasure trove of FSD vehicles are amazing. However, my opinion is that the full freeway mode isn't until V12.6. At a 2nd digit every 2 months for FSD, we're looking at September or October for absolutely awesome FSD.
They did not compare it to Tesla FSD, just Autopilot
@@rogerheuckeroth7456 Oh. Why? FSD is cheap now
@@External2737 It's obvious that there is some bias on the editorial board of CR that would lead them to make Tesla look bad, or make Mercedes look good. They chose not to do a fair comparison. The cost of FSD had nothing to do with their decision.
@@rogerheuckeroth7456 Cost has always been part of Cars methodology. Or more precisely, value.
FSD has moved on to be the obvious choice. I personally believe V12.6.x will be the breakthrough (end to end highway). At the current pace, labor day weekend...
I'm guessing vorsprung durch technik is taking a nosedive. the american eagle is finally stuttering back to life
CR seems to have a lot of misses when it comes to EV's in general and I can no longer consider it a trusted source of info on EV's. Thanks for pointing out the issues with the CR reporting.
Consumer reports doesn’t accept ads
Question is which versions of the software Consumer Reports tested compared to the versions used in the video.
I keep seeing other brand hands free driving commercials, I wonder if the NTSA would ever be concerned about real world stats on those, considering Tesla does not even advertise and many people might think many OEM cars just buy the same technology. I would expect the same standard & no lead car bs.
the speed boundary limits seem to be related to the computer overload and response times.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. In a year Mercedes will have a zero intervention system.
Because. They. Too. Will. Need. To. License. Tesla FSD.
There is a video out there with 5 dudes in the Merc and testing the system. Everything was perfect, and it made it 22 miles on the highway before kicking out suddenly. 😬
I did watch it 2 days ago. I feel totally breathtaking all the time.
For a while now FSD has been free for a month for tesla owners in the US. I havent heard of mass casualties yet. Hmmm. Something might be working pretty well?
I've owned my Y since 2021 and only recently used FSD current version. Yes, it's amazing but I just drove tonight to a restaurant, and I intervened 4 times, twice for it seeing the rte 5 sign as a speed sign so it slowed down to 5mph and people behind me were pissed, another time it was my fault. I chose to move to the left lane, and the car moved into the mid lane when it was clear . I was startled and tapped the brake. The car was correct vin moving to the mid lane. Last time it just shut down I'm assuming since I didn't touch dial on wheel to show I was paying attention . I had to take control. It slows prematurely at lights and stop signs, then creeps up to intersection which is better than stopping abruptly. So overall it's a great system but not there yet.
Reading speed limit signs seems to be a widespread issue. My Nissan Juke (ICE) sometimes advises weird max speed limits. The EU is introducing regulations next year that prevent cars from exceeding the speed limit. Unless the tech massively improves it will be carnage.
Driving South from Las Vegas Nv on the Calif I15 65 MPH car suddenly full speed exited at Rasor RD. Terrifying. No self-driving nor hands free for us anymore.
The be fair, they probably wrote this some time ago, and things on the Tesla end have improved vastly very receiently.
The valuation is a joke. They should be ashamed
We should have a car with dual steering wheels. Then my 7 year old could be my autopilot. I bet she would love it.
That done the same as my old Audi sq7 2020 driver assist 😳
1:04 😂 Mercedes-Benz paid off someone
As SMR says "Con us some more Reports"
"CR’s diverse community of philanthropists, foundations, and nonprofits partners includes the Ford Foundation,"
Per Consumer Reports website.
To be fair, CR’s comparison was Mercede’s Drive Pilot system versus Tesla’s standard Autopilot. I didn’t read the report/comparison, but the summary only mentioned Autopilot. I assume they didn’t test FSD because it was either not available on their test vehicle or because it was only a beta, not a full release. I’m sure that will be their response. If that’s the case then the score would be reversed as soon as FSD is fully released and they are able to test it as an option/feature available to anyone that pays for it.
I agree. That must be the issue. They are not comparing it to FSD.
But FSD on highways (where drive pilot can be used) uses Autopilot. Autopilot has not moved to the end to end neural net yet.
Maybe the AI in the Mercedes had a personal grudge against the driver? Maybe it was his ex-wife reincarnated? 😊
Mercedes Driver Assist is a highway driver assist system only. The consumer reports are very deceptive.
Mercedes: it’s not a bug. It’s a feature
My MG4 only has lower level assistance systems; it only tries to kill me about once a month. Modern NCAP regs are making cars more dangerous, not safer
Consumer report compared it to tsla autopilot, not Tesla FSD. The video shows Tesla FSD not Tesla autopilot.
part interventions are more dangerous than no intervention..like having the mrs intervene from the back seat
I believe Mercedes got a full lvl 5 autonomy certification under the condition that you are are on the freeway driving less than 20miles an hour.
It's as if for the past few decades major publications had been taking advantage of the consumer, until social media platforms came along and start investigating. Wonder how many more years until we realize that all these major publishers had long been corrupted by sponsors.
It wasn't that long ago when autopilot was trying to kill people, but the fanboys wouldn't have anything bad said about it
Hi Sam, Doesn't Omar say in the video that he had done the FSD drive on the same route the previous day (perhaps the evening because of the light in the video)? So I think the Tesla was not leading the Mercedes . The rest seems accurate. How the Mercedes ADS got approval in the US is beyond me.
_How the Mercedes ADS got approval in the US is beyond me._
This wasn't the Mercedes ADS, which is Drive Pilot. It was their ADAS, Driver Assistance Package, which is Level 2, most comparable to Tesla Autopilot.
Now, now, CR may not be that far off. To be fair, they compared Autopilot, not FSD. Mercedes is not as good as Tesla off highway for sure. I drive a 2019 M3SR+ with v2.5 computer and on autopilot I still get phantom braking (mostly when transport truck is approachng, but not always). It doesn't read speed limit signs, nav info has wrong speed limit on a few of my regular routes so I'm either speeding or going too slow and have to disengage. When the highway curves to the left or right, my car brushes the center line for a bit (looking through side view mirror). This happens with clearly marked lane lines on both sides of the road and with clean cameras. I'll disengage if an oncoming vehicle is close to the center line also. Sun can blind my cameras too, I need lane markings to engage autopilot on some roads too. I'd like to subscibe to FSD but it will cost me $1500 CAN +tax to upgrade my hardware first (I thought I had all the hardware required when I bought the car, oh well)
Maybe it’s not FSD but Drive assist? BMW has similar but they do a slow rollout to ensure it’s fully safe. In other words, driver needs to be ready for intervention.
Not only is an eye-opener. It’ll keep you up at night. I can give you nightmares.
Apples to oranges, driver assistance to auto pilot. Time 5:01
Emporor’s new cloths syndrome! It’s a very expensive Merc so ‘must’ be good, but it probably isn’t.
Mars didn’t use the same system as consumer reports. Either way, Mercs top system is still junk
It's probably more appropriate to compare FSD with some of the Chinese ADAS in Chinese city traffic. Anything coming out of traditional auto is never going to cut it.
Just more Tesla Haters, all backed by Union Auto Workers.
Keep up the great work Viking 💪🏼👍🏼
Thanks, will do!
Mercedes is trying to fool people that their self drive system all works fine to sell vehicles. Kind of disgusting to me to compare it to Tesla FSD.
Last 2 days have been trying FSD Supervised 30 day FREE trial. Amazing what it can do, but I still have to be alert during my short FSD enabled trips.
Thanks for the video.
I figured out the issue. Each time the Merc makes a correction it needs to charge your credit card and there is a lag in processing payment hence a delay in intervention.
🤣🤣🤣👍
Bought and paid for
I have always wondered - if you get in a crash when on FSD - who will cover the insurance? On both cars...?
Tesla FSD destroyed any remaining credibility Consumer Reports had. OEMs that got a higher score will be licensing the software from Tesla, the automaker that was rated near the bottom.
Sam, this is hilarious and sad. The cool thing is that this media bias has allowed Tesla investors to keep buying Tesla stock cheap. When the light bulb goes on, wow.