That's literally what I have dreamed of. I always feel so limited when talking about mouse grip, it's definitely the system I'm gonna use going forward.
This is fantastic. As someone with a larger hand and just learning mouse grip techniques and what they mean, your video has been a god send. Can't thank you enough.
Great job codifying the different elements of mouse grip styles. It is too easy to reduce everything to the big three of palm, claw, and fingertip with some hybrids in the middle, but this helps make it much more detailed and specific to easily classify and identify a specific grip style. Well done! Here is my grip style: 1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. No Palm Contact with Mouse 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Wheel Tips 6. Together Mice: Razer Viper Mini on main PC and Razer Orochi V2 for mobile/home entertainment use.
Nothing but the best high quality content from rjn, absolutely love it! my grip: Anchored Angled (no palm on hand so ig hybrid palm) relaxed fingertip Wheel tips 131 on my main starlight 12 Separated on most other mouse
This video really helped out and made me realise i use almost the exact same grip of yours, the difference is the mouse touchs my palm in the ring and pinky finger area not the thumb area, my mouse is a g402 but im saving for hyperx pulsfire haste
Becareful, don't fall for the light mouse hype, I went back to g402 from viper mini because I just could not adjust with light mice, I think 80-90gram for a mouse is best.
@@John-sp9if its not about weight for me i honestly dont like the thumb resting area i tried deathadder essential at my friend's and it was much better for my grip
@@John-sp9if Do not overgeneralize here. Everything about a mouse (except pure technicalities) is going to be personal preference. I am glad that you realized you prefer mice with regular weight, but the simple reason why mice have gotten lighter is that many people prefer it that way.
@@Tim_593 that's why I started by saying "be careful" I know its totally personal preference, but ytbers surely makes jokes about g502 family, its not right.
But isn't it really about how your hand adapts to each mouse as opposed to a specific grip? These tests are done with the mouse you're currently using, yet if you were using another mouse you might have a different "natural" grip that suits the specific mouse. Seems logical.
I have the same grip, currently using a razer viper mini and i am happy but i want to go for a wireless mouse with better sensor. Would you recommend the GPX ?
@@decadence6418 Ey, I also had a viper mini before handing it down to my brother. Movement was a bit awkward as viper mini was slightly too small for me. Other than that, mini is a certainly a good mouse. GPX on the other hand is slightly too big. If viper mini's size is perfect for you, I imagine GPX would be too large. Not the best mouse IMO, but overall still great for general usage & FPS games. 9/10 build quality, 8/10 shape, 6/10 size. Would recommend.
1: Anchored 2: Straight 3: Hybrid Palm 4: Relaxed Claw 5: Front Tips 6: Together. My credentials speak volumes of my aim gaming. Surprisingly, The Razer Basilisk Mouse has been the most accurate and tracking cleanly on a glass pad, but Razer Viper has been most flicky for good sniping and reactive aiming. Waiting for Razer to drop my main forever.
we should give this video to all that people that answer the "your grip is how you naturally grab your mouse" at least someone is actually using his brain and more than that. THANK YOU!
(for anyone looking at comparing their grip to others) my grip is: 1. anchored on the right side of my right hand 2. slightly reverse angled (my fingers are curving towards my thumb but my mouse is straight with my forearm just not my fingers) 3. hybrid palm (only the front of my palm under my middle, ring and little finger makes contact, not the index and none of the rest of my palm) 4. relaxed fingertip 5. front finger placement 6. together (technically I do separate a little but only as far as the top and bottom of the front mouse skate) and I'm on the gpro superlight hopefully with enough people sharing u can gather enough info to make it even more specific and it can be used to get mice u kno u'll like rather than taking a chance on a $100+ mouse.
Anchored, straight, relaxed fingertip, wheel tips, separated. I have pretty big hands, and use a G203 Lightsync on high sens (560 edpi), and it feels great.
Putting this here for my reference as well: 1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid 4. Relaxed 5. Wheel 6. Separated Using my friend’s Viper mini feels perfect for me currently. Been looking at getting a G403 soon, will be looking around how that feels.
rocket jump finally did it! he stamped the labels. if you ever come out with a mouse for people like us who tilt it to the left a bit ill buy for sure.
1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid palm 4. Relaxed fingertip 5. Wheel tips 6. Together Actual mouse: Steel Series Rival (the original Rival) A little big for my hand.
1. Anchored 2. Angled 4. Relaxed fingertip 5. Behind tips or wheel (depends on mouse size, but mz1 still too big for wheel, so behind tips) 6. Separated
1: Anchored 2: Angled 3: no palm 4: Relaxed fingertip or claw depends on my use, claw when I am gaming, relaxed when just browsing etc. 5: Wheel tips 6: 122 together
My hand is 20 by 10cm 1. Anchored 2. Angled 3. Hybrid-Palm but I often don't even touch a mouse with my palm (just fingertips) 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Behind Tips 6. Separated
Want to thank you for the vid and your website. Used both to get my new mouse bc I wanted to try something else than my gpx2, I tried the v3 pro but I was just not feeling it, after watching this vid I got the pulsar x2-h And even after just unboxing it, Im already in love with the shape. KEEP THE GREAT WORK UP!
1. anchored 2. angled 3. hybrid palm 4. relaxed fingertip 5. wheel tips 6. together 17.6x9.7 currently on the G pro, which works really well, but I'm always on a lookout for the perfect model
@@lars3272 Nope. Though the Ninjutso Sora v2 has been on my radar and I would probably like to try it one day. The G Pro’s clicks being supreme is why I haven’t switched since writing this along with the fact I do not play nearly as much as I did two years ago
Wow my grip (and hand size) is almost identical to yours, that's why your reviews are spot-on for me. Only difference: 2-straight and 6- separated in 1-2-2.
I adjust my grip slightly depending on game and scenario. The two best examples I can think of are how high I position my fingers and whether I use 122 or 131. For Apex and CSGO I use 131 most of the time since I like using scrollwheel for jump while not having to give up m1 or m2 temporarly. For games where I dont need my scrollwheel that often (for example diabotical, osu, titanfall, ...) or in situations where I need to hold an angle, knowing I wont use m2 any time soon (for example with awp in csgo) I use 122. How high I position my fingers is rather random. Sometimes I position my fingers higher up since it feels like it takes less force to click (sometimes helpful for spamclicking) other times I just stretch out my fingers a bit more and put them next to my scrollwheel.
I currently use Razer viper mini and it works flawlessly, the only thing I can complain is the high lift-off distance but it doesn't affect my gameplay at all though My grip is literally the same as you, it feels so natural and comfortable to use that style of grip for me too!
I've always thought of myself as having a "claw-tip" grip when playing games. Well, I guess not _"always"_ since I had to like... actually look at what my hand was doing when playing a game before I noticed. What I mean by that, is the way I hold a mouse when just doing "Windows stuff" is _wayy_ different than how I hold it when playing a game. I actually didn't notice this until I was playing Doom 4 (2016), I think. I noticed that when I play a game, I grip the mouse really tightly with just my tips and my fingers were really arched. 1. Elevated 2. Angled 3. Uh... no palm 4. Claw ( _+fingertip_ ) 5. Behind... wheel ( _typo?_ )? 6. Together I wonder if anyone else has a different grip when they're playing games and maybe not have noticed?
I've come to this exact realisation, mainly due to discovering this youtube channel. In 'Windows stuff' I have a palm grip and I always thought I had palm grip (thus buying mice like Intellimouse Pro) but I am actually using the exact parameters that Zy is using ( ... also playing Quake for 17 odd years.. coincidence?). So I am thinkin the Superlight might work better for me.
Thought I contribute. My hand size: Length- 16.5 cm Width- 9.75 cm Grip specifics: - Elevated - Angled - Hybrid Palm - Relaxed Fingertip - Wheel tips - Together Mouse used currently: Swiftpoint Z
Hand 18.5 x10 1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid palm 4. Relaxed fingertip 5. Wheel tips 6. Together Mouse - G203 (After a year of searching I'm right back using the model I started with)
Mine: 1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid Palm (only my carpal region touch the mouse) 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Wheel Tips (more toward the front) 6. 122 Separated (but not by much), my pinkie touch the mouse in line with my thumb (a bit forward relative to the sensor position), and my ring finger more toward the front ( right in the middle of my pinkie and my middle finger) GPX SL, 19 x 10 cm hands
Here is my grip style: 1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Only the same part as you showed touched the top of the mouse. The base of the fingers 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Wheel Tips Or Front 6. Separated Hand is 19.5 by 10cm Was using G102 for years. Awesome shape. Past 2 months tried Viper mini, but it was too narrow for me. Then tried Orochi V2. The back gets narrow too fast and my separated pinky was not feeling ok it was actually touching the mouse with my nail on the pinky. Then tried GPX superlight and it fitted like a glove. I did not expected that. Its still a big bigger for me I feel. A GPX Superlight mini of about 90% of the GPX would be ideal I feel. The feel on the scroll wheel is way better, though the press force is a bit higher than I wanted. My gridshot score in AimLab increased pretty much from the start. Was doing 51k with the mini. 53 with g102 and Orochi and went to 57 with the GPX. I know those are noob scores, but I could see a difference straight away.
1. Anchored 2. Angled 3. Hybrid-Palm 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Front Tips/wheel tips (depends on mouse length) 6. Separated Mostly play CS:GO [400dpi @2.20 ingame] Currently on my desk are a G Pro Superlight, Ducky Feather, EG XM1, and of course an Xtrfy MZ-1. Own 30+ mice in total but those are what I'm using right now, favoring the Ducky at the moment. Mousepad is a Zowie GS-R (stacked on a QCK heavy).
1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid palm 4. Hybird of Fingertip and relaxed Finger tip 5. Wheel tips 6. 131 I mainly play Overwatch. I used to play at 122 but after trying Zen's orb settings on scroll wheel, I switched to 131. I also set my melee at middle mouse button which works out for my Zen's orb settings. I currently play with Razer basilisk ultimate which is perfect for my hand: not too heavy, wireless, and big enough to fit my hand.
1. Anchored. 2. Angled. 3. Hybrid Palm. 4. Relaxed Fingertip. 5. Wheel Tips. 6. Crazy: I hold my mouse like an Englishman drinks his tea, sticking my pinky out. I think I started doing it because I have long fingers but prefer medium mice. But I also found that this allows the mouse to move more freely inside my palm because it's not caged between all my fingers. When I'm not aiming, my pinky rests on the mousepad, like most of my palm. That's why I love mice with thumb rests for work and lazy gaming: they allow me to have all my fingers rest on some horizontal surface, relaxing all my hand muscles when I don't need them. G Pro Wireless (Gaming) / Basilisk Ultimate (Work).
1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid 4. Claw 5. Behind wheel 6. Separated Currently using a Mad Catz R.A.T. 8+, came from a Steelseries Rival 600. I used to palm grip back when I had an MSI Interceptor DS200, that was probably my favorite mouse I've ever owned.
Anchored Angled Fingertip grip ( no palm touch) Behind wheel tips The best finger layout for me is (Fingers from left to right 1-5): 1. on the left side 2. on left-click 3. on right-click 4. and 5. are close to each other resting on the mousepad slightly pushing the right side of the mouse 1-2-2
1. Elevated, but when not aiming for longer period anchored (relaxing). 2. Angled 3. My palm never touches the mouse at all - only when I use my MM720 4. Fingertip 5. In line with the wheel 6. Together (except with MM720) Mice: GPX Superlight, M42, MZ1 and MM720. I like to switch between them.
1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Hybrid Palm (base of ring and little finger make contact and noting else) 4. Fingertip 5. Wheel tips 6. 131 I use a GPRO Wireless, I also used this grip on a Viper Mini
ii think its important to note what mouse the user has. I use the benq S1 and before i used a rival 600 and g502 with each mouse depending on the shape i find myself holding it differently. anchored angled hybrid palm relaxed fingertip wheel tips separated
How hard is it to press scroll wheel compared to other ones ? I am looking into the same one but the only thing that makes me not buy it is if the middle button is hard to click , because I use blender and I use middle button every second basically . I do not mind the scrolling because I am used to not using it due to my current mouse having scrolling not working properly . Asking for s1
@@tyranuel its not a significant amount of force i would call it a perfect balance imo but you will find the scroll wheel is the weakest part of the mouse. if you want get a logitech mx master for creative work and a separate gaming mouse
@@LiquidMotionz I could get separate mouses but there are more important things that I want to save money for . Thanks for response , in most of the reviews I have seen about that mouse there is only shown the scrolling and not clicking , do not know if people forget that it is a feature or what .
@@LiquidMotionz I bought it and it is awesome , I do not know why people hate its scroll , click is perfect , sure the scrolling is a bit louder than usual but it feels awesome . Shape is perfect for my grip .
mice without a back deserve some exploring. I currently use the mm720 and its really good but I would prefer the sensor to be a bit more to the front to have full finger tip precision
1. Elevated (With a wrist rest) 2. Angled 3. No part of the Palm is touching the mouse even a little bit 4. Relaxed Fingertip (transitioning to a clenched claw for moments where more precise aim is required) 5. Wheel tips / Behind wheel tips 6. Together Mouse is a G703
- Anchored (..now. Got used to it 'cause smaller mouse now; feels better for gaming vs. productivity previously) - straight, (occasionally 10% angled) - 50% palm (of index- & middle-finger; [half of ring finger on-off] ) - fingertip grip, slightly relaxed - wheel tips, towards front - together
rockin a Logitech B110 silent right now (😂), looking for alternative, sligthly bigger towards palm and 1-2 makros on thumb, otherwise same shape but more CPI & polling rate, with similar quiet click and feel appreciate any help! 🙌✌
Mine is as follows (on a Logitech G900): 1. Anchored (bottom of palm touching mousepad and I use my fingers to move the mouse around, except for long sweeping movements) 2. Straight (hand/forearm inline with mouse shape) 3. Palm (whole palm resting on back of mouse body) 4. Relaxed claw (fingers slightly bent whole fingerprint area touching mouse buttons) 5. Front (fingers right at the edge of the mouse buttons) 6. Separated (thumb on left side of mouse, index and middle finger on M1 & M2 respectively, ring & pinky finger on right side of mouse)
I love how detailed this is! The fourth point is kinda hard to determine for my style. A lot of my palm is in contact with the mouse, and I use the 1-2-2 grip, but still my middle finger is arched in a relaxed position, while my index is flat. So I guess my style would be: 1. Anchored 2. Angled 3. Palm or hybrid palm 4. ? (Only my middle finger is arched, so I guess this would be a palm/claw hybrid?) 5. Front tip 6. Separated I just bought your mouse, because I had to test the very specific shape to my grip. Unfortunately it didn't fit my style, but I was wondering if you would consider putting out a guide on how to find the perfect shape, using clay? In any case, thank you for deep diving into aiming. It is my passion, and you help pave the way to perfection.
1. Anchored 2. Angled 3. Hybrid Palm 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Front Tips 6. Separated Hand Size: 20.5 cm x 11.5 cm Just switched over from Zowie EC1-A to a G PRO Superlight
1. Anchored 2. Angled 3. Hybrid Palm 4. Relaxed Fingertip 5. Wheel Tips/front tip (in between the two but closer to wheel tips. Depends on the mouse) 6. Separated
I think my grip preferences are: Elevated Straight Palm Tip/overhang 1 2 2 (so the "normal" finger placements) My wrist can't really arch upward properly to use mice how they were intended (usually some sort of finger/claw grip with the wrist on the mat) so the ubiquitous small egg-shaped mice are very unsuitable (I had a Logitech G305 that was partly responsible for my wrist ending up like this, as well as a keyboard shelf under the desk with an annoying lip that contributed to the issue). I have smaller hands but yet there are no mice sufficiently flat in the longitudinal dimension (while being narrow enough to be held comfortably in my smaller hands) to fit me. I wound up switching to a trackball to escape the horrendous RSI (and even it isn't perfect since it is really too big, and I have to float my wrist since it is still that annoying egg shape). Basically I want my hand to lie more or less flat upon the top of the mouse, curving around its sides but not at the back. Do you have any recommendations?
My grip is a little bit "anchored" but it's really only the Pisoform Bone and the right side of my palm a bit. It's barely touching so I can lift it up to flick and anchor it more when seeking precise micro corrections, similar effect to how claw is used, but with a bit less control all around the mouse, a little bit of bias towards controlling from the pisiform so I guess I want to call that*: 1. hybrid anchored* 2. angled 3. hybrid palm 4. relaxed fingertip 5. front tips 6. 1-2-2 together (due to old injury I can't use my pinky fully independently, I keep it tucked beneath my ring finger and kinda anchored to it, but I often drop the tip to the mousepad for control along with the tip of my ring finger. Especially when I lift my pisiform bone up for flicks, as that pushes both tips lower and helps with precision & stopping power)
Anchored Angled Hybrid Palm Relaxed fingertip wheel tips it's a 131 grip, but with the ring finger on top of the mouse, but where the click stops.(all Logitech mice have this, can't aim with a mouse without sides to the click)
Using Glorious Model O- Matte Black 0:18 1. Anchored 0:32 2. Angled 0:53 3. Hybrid Palm 1:06 4. Fingertip 1:33 5. Front Tips 2:06 6. Crazy (i put my thumb on the bottom left of the mouse and my index on the side buttons, my third finger on the left click and 4th on the right click and 5th on the border left of the mouse, it looks like the triple 6 sign AKA the ok sign AKA the sike sign. I use this grip mainly because my whole life i've been left handed but used mouse right handed)
Anchored, angled, hybrid palm, varies between relaxed fingertip and claw, wheel tips, 1-3-1. Hand is 20.5 x 12. Been using the g303 SE, but your search suggested the mm720, and I have been wanting to try that mouse out of curiosity.
1. Anchored 2. Angled 3. Hybrid Palm 4. Claw 5. Behind Wheel 6. Together Using ZA13-C and GPX and fits pretty good but I prefer ZA its a bit better if you have kinda big hands (mine 19.5x10.5)
slightly anchored straight- although i have a tilt grip (not sure you covered that) palm claw (slightly arched) front tips together Xrtfy M4, NP01, superlight
1. Anchored 2. Straight 3. Palm 4. Relaxed 5. Wheel 6. Separated Current mouse is Logi MX Ergo Trackball Wireless Not sure why, but this mouse has worked best for me so far.
Somehow I ended up having the same grip as you do. I prefer ergo mice with my grip (currently using MX518 Legendary - it fits SO well for that grip style), so I'm waiting on a Glorious Model D to come by.
This is a solid way forward since the normal grips never really told me anything. This grip always fit me best on the HyperX Surge 1.Anchored 2.Straight 3.Hybrid Palm 4.Relaxed Fingertip 5.Front Tips 6.Crazy (121)
Anchored, straight angle , my thumb and my pinky touching pad(even fingertip of both pinky and ring finger touching pad). I do this because I like the feedback I get from the pad, feels like I have way more control. This suits my pretty low sens, snappy style of aiming, 60~cm/360. My fingers ends up in a relaxed fingertip grip with my fingertips resting on the front edge of the buttons, I got pretty long fingers. Finger spread is 1 2 2
anchored, angled, hybrid, relaxed fingertip, front tips, my ring finger usually sits on the edge where the right mb and side of mouse meet (i feel the space between the button and the mouse)
1) Anchored; 2) Angled; 3) Hybrid Palm; 4) Fingertip; 5) Wheel Tips; 6) Finger separation on side but I have tendency to use my pinky for flick references; My mouse is the DM1 FPS.
Anchored, straight, palm, relaxed fingertip, wheel tips, and separated. Was never really care about mouse I got, I use whatever I had on hand, including the one I'm currently using, Logitech G102, got it as a freebie together with my laptop. Got double clicking issue after more than 5 years. Just replace the switch yesterday and it's as good as new. At first I thought this mouse would be too big for my puny hand, but turns out it fits me well.
If you using your palm then you are not using fingertip or claw grip because in these grips either your palm don't touch mouse hump or slightly touch it with only a bit of palm I think you are using palm grip but for g102 small size u said it fits you well so either your hand very small or you using claw palm grip
That's literally what I have dreamed of. I always feel so limited when talking about mouse grip, it's definitely the system I'm gonna use going forward.
Surprised you get so many chances to talk about mouse grip to feel limited
sameee
why do he sound like you on valo
@@GalacticYuna LMFAO
I really hate having big hands, it's a cursed for me especially using shitty cheap quality mouse like G305 which has terrible grip.
This is fantastic. As someone with a larger hand and just learning mouse grip techniques and what they mean, your video has been a god send. Can't thank you enough.
Using Zy's Rail
0:18 1. Anchored
0:32 2. Straight
0:53 3. Hybrid Palm
1:06 4. Fingertip
1:33 5. Wheel Tips / Behind Wheel Tips
2:06 6. Together
We are the same dude no way
I always had mice that are too big for me, i am trying to get into fingertip now that I have Zy's rail and it actually fits me.
Zy out here creating formulaic solutions to problems most of us didn't even know we had. Bravo!
Great job codifying the different elements of mouse grip styles. It is too easy to reduce everything to the big three of palm, claw, and fingertip with some hybrids in the middle, but this helps make it much more detailed and specific to easily classify and identify a specific grip style. Well done!
Here is my grip style:
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. No Palm Contact with Mouse
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips
6. Together
Mice: Razer Viper Mini on main PC and Razer Orochi V2 for mobile/home entertainment use.
Nothing but the best high quality content from rjn, absolutely love it!
my grip:
Anchored
Angled
(no palm on hand so ig hybrid palm)
relaxed fingertip
Wheel tips
131 on my main starlight 12
Separated on most other mouse
What size is your SL12?
This is going to help a lot, previously it felt like I couldn't even distinguish between fingertip and claw grips
There really are some crazy grips
My man commented before watching a second of the vid 😂
teses shox swag JW twists
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid Palm
4. Fingertip
5. Front
6. Together
This video really helped out and made me realise i use almost the exact same grip of yours, the difference is the mouse touchs my palm in the ring and pinky finger area not the thumb area, my mouse is a g402 but im saving for hyperx pulsfire haste
Becareful, don't fall for the light mouse hype, I went back to g402 from viper mini because I just could not adjust with light mice, I think 80-90gram for a mouse is best.
went from the mm710 to the fk2b lol, it feels so much more premium and the shape is superior
@@John-sp9if its not about weight for me i honestly dont like the thumb resting area i tried deathadder essential at my friend's and it was much better for my grip
@@John-sp9if Do not overgeneralize here. Everything about a mouse (except pure technicalities) is going to be personal preference. I am glad that you realized you prefer mice with regular weight, but the simple reason why mice have gotten lighter is that many people prefer it that way.
@@Tim_593 that's why I started by saying "be careful" I know its totally personal preference, but ytbers surely makes jokes about g502 family, its not right.
But isn't it really about how your hand adapts to each mouse as opposed to a specific grip? These tests are done with the mouse
you're currently using, yet if you were using another mouse you might have a different "natural" grip that suits the specific mouse. Seems logical.
Yea like I have a large size mouse yet my hands are x-small so I would have to do behind wheel
1 Anchored
2 Straight
3 Hybrid Palm
4 Relaxed fingertip
5 Between Wheel & Behind wheel tips
6 Separated (1-2-2)
Mouse is GPX
I have the same grip, currently using a razer viper mini and i am happy but i want to go for a wireless mouse with better sensor. Would you recommend the GPX ?
@@decadence6418
Ey, I also had a viper mini before handing it down to my brother. Movement was a bit awkward as viper mini was slightly too small for me. Other than that, mini is a certainly a good mouse. GPX on the other hand is slightly too big. If viper mini's size is perfect for you, I imagine GPX would be too large. Not the best mouse IMO, but overall still great for general usage & FPS games.
9/10 build quality, 8/10 shape, 6/10 size. Would recommend.
Great guide, an improvement over the previous system.
1: Anchored 2: Straight 3: Hybrid Palm 4: Relaxed Claw 5: Front Tips 6: Together. My credentials speak volumes of my aim gaming. Surprisingly, The Razer Basilisk Mouse has been the most accurate and tracking cleanly on a glass pad, but Razer Viper has been most flicky for good sniping and reactive aiming. Waiting for Razer to drop my main forever.
we should give this video to all that people that answer the "your grip is how you naturally grab your mouse" at least someone is actually using his brain and more than that. THANK YOU!
(for anyone looking at comparing their grip to others) my grip is:
1. anchored on the right side of my right hand
2. slightly reverse angled (my fingers are curving towards my thumb but my mouse is straight with my forearm just not my fingers)
3. hybrid palm (only the front of my palm under my middle, ring and little finger makes contact, not the index and none of the rest of my palm)
4. relaxed fingertip
5. front finger placement
6. together (technically I do separate a little but only as far as the top and bottom of the front mouse skate)
and I'm on the gpro superlight
hopefully with enough people sharing u can gather enough info to make it even more specific and it can be used to get mice u kno u'll like rather than taking a chance on a $100+ mouse.
Anchored, straight, relaxed fingertip, wheel tips, separated. I have pretty big hands, and use a G203 Lightsync on high sens (560 edpi), and it feels great.
Your meticulous work is highly appreciated!
Would you consider putting out a guide on how to find/create the perfect mouse shape, using clay?
Anchored
Angled
Hybrid-palm
Crazy/thumb is claw pinky is figertip ring is palm and index on left click middle on right click
Wheel-tip
Separated
Putting this here for my reference as well:
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid
4. Relaxed
5. Wheel
6. Separated
Using my friend’s Viper mini feels perfect for me currently. Been looking at getting a G403 soon, will be looking around how that feels.
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips
6. Crazy (113)
Currently using a Zowie FK2
so you have 3 fingers on your right click?
@@mercury5254 nah 3 fingers on right side of mouse... one finger for both right and left click
@@josephhazee that's right :)
@@sullen1 how u even play like that lol
@@josephhazee Idk, it just works for me.
Love the video--and would love to see the search feature on your website be updated to allow searches based on these descriptors.
rocket jump finally did it! he stamped the labels. if you ever come out with a mouse for people like us who tilt it to the left a bit ill buy for sure.
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid palm
4. Relaxed fingertip
5. Wheel tips
6. Together
Actual mouse: Steel Series Rival (the original Rival)
A little big for my hand.
same. what mouse are good for this type?
1. Anchored
2. Angled
4. Relaxed fingertip
5. Behind tips or wheel (depends on mouse size, but mz1 still too big for wheel, so behind tips)
6. Separated
1. anchored
2. straight
3. hybrid palm
4.relaxed fingertip
5.wheel tips
6. separated
Model o
18.8 x 9.8
Nice informaiton. For some reason I do better when my thumb is touching the mouse mat. I did to know others also did this.
1: Anchored
2: Angled
3: no palm
4: Relaxed fingertip or claw depends on my use, claw when I am gaming, relaxed when just browsing etc.
5: Wheel tips
6: 122 together
My hand is 20 by 10cm
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid-Palm but I often don't even touch a mouse with my palm (just fingertips)
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Behind Tips
6. Separated
Want to thank you for the vid and your website. Used both to get my new mouse bc I wanted to try something else than my gpx2, I tried the v3 pro but I was just not feeling it, after watching this vid I got the pulsar x2-h And even after just unboxing it, Im already in love with the shape. KEEP THE GREAT WORK UP!
1. anchored
2. angled
3. hybrid palm
4. relaxed fingertip
5. wheel tips
6. together
17.6x9.7
currently on the G pro, which works really well, but I'm always on a lookout for the perfect model
did you find a new mouse?
@@lars3272 Nope. Though the Ninjutso Sora v2 has been on my radar and I would probably like to try it one day. The G Pro’s clicks being supreme is why I haven’t switched since writing this along with the fact I do not play nearly as much as I did two years ago
Wow my grip (and hand size) is almost identical to yours, that's why your reviews are spot-on for me. Only difference: 2-straight and 6- separated in 1-2-2.
1. elevated
2. straight
3. hybrid palm
4. claw
5. front wheel
6. separated
Glorious model O
I adjust my grip slightly depending on game and scenario. The two best examples I can think of are how high I position my fingers and whether I use 122 or 131.
For Apex and CSGO I use 131 most of the time since I like using scrollwheel for jump while not having to give up m1 or m2 temporarly.
For games where I dont need my scrollwheel that often (for example diabotical, osu, titanfall, ...) or in situations where I need to hold an angle, knowing I wont use m2 any time soon (for example with awp in csgo) I use 122.
How high I position my fingers is rather random. Sometimes I position my fingers higher up since it feels like it takes less force to click (sometimes helpful for spamclicking) other times I just stretch out my fingers a bit more and put them next to my scrollwheel.
1. anchored
2. straight
3. -
4. relaxed fingertip
5. wheel tips
6. together
Logitech G502 LIGHTSPEED
I’ve been using palm grip ever since I was on KBM but I recently tried claw and it’s been so good for me
I currently use Razer viper mini and it works flawlessly, the only thing I can complain is the high lift-off distance but it doesn't affect my gameplay at all though
My grip is literally the same as you, it feels so natural and comfortable to use that style of grip for me too!
You can change the lift off distance on your viper mini
@@JayForsure Tried it a lot of time to lower the lift-off distance to 1 mm, didn't do a single thing
I've always thought of myself as having a "claw-tip" grip when playing games. Well, I guess not _"always"_ since I had to like... actually look at what my hand was doing when playing a game before I noticed.
What I mean by that, is the way I hold a mouse when just doing "Windows stuff" is _wayy_ different than how I hold it when playing a game. I actually didn't notice this until I was playing Doom 4 (2016), I think. I noticed that when I play a game, I grip the mouse really tightly with just my tips and my fingers were really arched.
1. Elevated
2. Angled
3. Uh... no palm
4. Claw ( _+fingertip_ )
5. Behind... wheel ( _typo?_ )?
6. Together
I wonder if anyone else has a different grip when they're playing games and maybe not have noticed?
I've come to this exact realisation, mainly due to discovering this youtube channel. In 'Windows stuff' I have a palm grip and I always thought I had palm grip (thus buying mice like Intellimouse Pro) but I am actually using the exact parameters that Zy is using ( ... also playing Quake for 17 odd years.. coincidence?). So I am thinkin the Superlight might work better for me.
Great video! I've often wondered if there was a "best" way to use/grip the mouse.
Thought I contribute.
My hand size:
Length- 16.5 cm
Width- 9.75 cm
Grip specifics:
- Elevated
- Angled
- Hybrid Palm
- Relaxed Fingertip
- Wheel tips
- Together
Mouse used currently: Swiftpoint Z
Hand 18.5 x10
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid palm
4. Relaxed fingertip
5. Wheel tips
6. Together
Mouse - G203 (After a year of searching I'm right back using the model I started with)
egg gang baby, g203 has been the best mouse and I have come back to it after trying several other mice, I'm more of a palm claw though
Mine:
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid Palm (only my carpal region touch the mouse)
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips (more toward the front)
6. 122 Separated (but not by much), my pinkie touch the mouse in line with my thumb (a bit forward relative to the sensor position), and my ring finger more toward the front ( right in the middle of my pinkie and my middle finger)
GPX SL, 19 x 10 cm hands
Here is my grip style:
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Only the same part as you showed touched the top of the mouse. The base of the fingers
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips Or Front
6. Separated
Hand is 19.5 by 10cm
Was using G102 for years. Awesome shape. Past 2 months tried Viper mini, but it was too narrow for me. Then tried Orochi V2. The back gets narrow too fast and my separated pinky was not feeling ok it was actually touching the mouse with my nail on the pinky.
Then tried GPX superlight and it fitted like a glove. I did not expected that. Its still a big bigger for me I feel. A GPX Superlight mini of about 90% of the GPX would be ideal I feel. The feel on the scroll wheel is way better, though the press force is a bit higher than I wanted.
My gridshot score in AimLab increased pretty much from the start.
Was doing 51k with the mini. 53 with g102 and Orochi and went to 57 with the GPX.
I know those are noob scores, but I could see a difference straight away.
only joking!
have a great day!
Omg, we are mouse grip twins! Seriously, though, thank you for this. It was very helpful!
Made a new standard, nominated for the nobel prize :D
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid-Palm
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Front Tips/wheel tips (depends on mouse length)
6. Separated
Mostly play CS:GO [400dpi @2.20 ingame]
Currently on my desk are a G Pro Superlight, Ducky Feather, EG XM1, and of course an Xtrfy MZ-1. Own 30+ mice in total but those are what I'm using right now, favoring the Ducky at the moment. Mousepad is a Zowie GS-R (stacked on a QCK heavy).
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid palm
4. Hybird of Fingertip and relaxed Finger tip
5. Wheel tips
6. 131
I mainly play Overwatch. I used to play at 122 but after trying Zen's orb settings on scroll wheel, I switched to 131. I also set my melee at middle mouse button which works out for my Zen's orb settings. I currently play with Razer basilisk ultimate which is perfect for my hand: not too heavy, wireless, and big enough to fit my hand.
Ok Zy, we have the exact same grip and hand size, no wonder why I like the MZ1 that much
1. Anchored.
2. Angled.
3. Hybrid Palm.
4. Relaxed Fingertip.
5. Wheel Tips.
6. Crazy: I hold my mouse like an Englishman drinks his tea, sticking my pinky out. I think I started doing it because I have long fingers but prefer medium mice. But I also found that this allows the mouse to move more freely inside my palm because it's not caged between all my fingers. When I'm not aiming, my pinky rests on the mousepad, like most of my palm. That's why I love mice with thumb rests for work and lazy gaming: they allow me to have all my fingers rest on some horizontal surface, relaxing all my hand muscles when I don't need them.
G Pro Wireless (Gaming) / Basilisk Ultimate (Work).
1. Anchored
2. Slightly angled
3. Hybrid-palm
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel-tip/front
6. Separated/131(ring finger on edge of mouse2)
Sensei 310, recently switched to Viper Ultimate
This helped me chose a more relax mouse grip. Thanks zy awesome video🤘
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid
4. Claw
5. Behind wheel
6. Separated
Currently using a Mad Catz R.A.T. 8+, came from a Steelseries Rival 600. I used to palm grip back when I had an MSI Interceptor DS200, that was probably my favorite mouse I've ever owned.
Anchored
Angled
Fingertip grip ( no palm touch)
Behind wheel tips
The best finger layout for me is (Fingers from left to right 1-5):
1. on the left side
2. on left-click
3. on right-click
4. and 5. are close to each other resting on the mousepad slightly pushing the right side of the mouse
1-2-2
Anchored, Straight, Hybrid, Fingertip, wheel tip, together, and so far the best mice ive used for it are: model o-, MZ1, and GPX.
Thanks, you and I are 6/6 so I'll try those suggestions XD
i didnt even thought that we have the exact same grip after watching you for years since logitech g102 video xD
1. Elevated, but when not aiming for longer period anchored (relaxing).
2. Angled
3. My palm never touches the mouse at all - only when I use my MM720
4. Fingertip
5. In line with the wheel
6. Together (except with MM720)
Mice: GPX Superlight, M42, MZ1 and MM720. I like to switch between them.
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Hybrid Palm (base of ring and little finger make contact and noting else)
4. Fingertip
5. Wheel tips
6. 131
I use a GPRO Wireless, I also used this grip on a Viper Mini
I’ve been struggling to find a mouse grip to really stick to, I might try yours and see if I like it
ii think its important to note what mouse the user has. I use the benq S1 and before i used a rival 600 and g502 with each mouse depending on the shape i find myself holding it differently.
anchored
angled
hybrid palm
relaxed fingertip
wheel tips
separated
How hard is it to press scroll wheel compared to other ones ? I am looking into the same one but the only thing that makes me not buy it is if the middle button is hard to click , because I use blender and I use middle button every second basically . I do not mind the scrolling because I am used to not using it due to my current mouse having scrolling not working properly .
Asking for s1
@@tyranuel its not a significant amount of force i would call it a perfect balance imo but you will find the scroll wheel is the weakest part of the mouse. if you want get a logitech mx master for creative work and a separate gaming mouse
@@LiquidMotionz I could get separate mouses but there are more important things that I want to save money for .
Thanks for response , in most of the reviews I have seen about that mouse there is only shown the scrolling and not clicking , do not know if people forget that it is a feature or what .
@@tyranuel i edit photos and such and find it perfect just sounds old school when scrolling
@@LiquidMotionz I bought it and it is awesome , I do not know why people hate its scroll , click is perfect , sure the scrolling is a bit louder than usual but it feels awesome . Shape is perfect for my grip .
mice without a back deserve some exploring. I currently use the mm720 and its really good but I would prefer the sensor to be a bit more to the front to have full finger tip precision
1. Elevated (With a wrist rest)
2. Angled
3. No part of the Palm is touching the mouse even a little bit
4. Relaxed Fingertip (transitioning to a clenched claw for moments where more precise aim is required)
5. Wheel tips / Behind wheel tips
6. Together
Mouse is a G703
1-anchored
2-angled
3-hybrid
4-fingertip
5-wheel tip
6-separated
Using a Viper Ultimate
Great video and lovely guides as always
- Anchored (..now. Got used to it 'cause smaller mouse now; feels better for gaming vs. productivity previously)
- straight, (occasionally 10% angled)
- 50% palm (of index- & middle-finger; [half of ring finger on-off] )
- fingertip grip, slightly relaxed
- wheel tips, towards front
- together
rockin a Logitech B110 silent right now (😂), looking for alternative, sligthly bigger towards palm and 1-2 makros on thumb, otherwise same shape but more CPI & polling rate, with similar quiet click and feel
appreciate any help! 🙌✌
1. Anchored
2.angled
3.hybrid
4.claw
5.behind wheel tips
6.seperated
mz1 :)
Mine is as follows (on a Logitech G900):
1. Anchored (bottom of palm touching mousepad and I use my fingers to move the mouse around, except for long sweeping movements)
2. Straight (hand/forearm inline with mouse shape)
3. Palm (whole palm resting on back of mouse body)
4. Relaxed claw (fingers slightly bent whole fingerprint area touching mouse buttons)
5. Front (fingers right at the edge of the mouse buttons)
6. Separated (thumb on left side of mouse, index and middle finger on M1 & M2 respectively, ring & pinky finger on right side of mouse)
Anchored
Angled
Hybrid Palm
Normal Fingertip
Behind Wheel Tips
Separated
G203 here and loving it
1. Anchored
2. Angeled
3.Hybrid
4.Claw
5.Wheel tips
6.Seperated
Mine is literally the exact same as yours. The site didn't help me to much. Your videos over the years have tho. Thank you.
I love how detailed this is! The fourth point is kinda hard to determine for my style. A lot of my palm is in contact with the mouse, and I use the 1-2-2 grip, but still my middle finger is arched in a relaxed position, while my index is flat. So I guess my style would be:
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Palm or hybrid palm
4. ? (Only my middle finger is arched, so I guess this would be a palm/claw hybrid?)
5. Front tip
6. Separated
I just bought your mouse, because I had to test the very specific shape to my grip. Unfortunately it didn't fit my style, but I was wondering if you would consider putting out a guide on how to find the perfect shape, using clay?
In any case, thank you for deep diving into aiming. It is my passion, and you help pave the way to perfection.
the third one is tough for me... none of my palm touches the mouse. literally just my fingertips.
@@parkerbruhns2675 Then it would be just fingertip.
@@WisdomPowerCourage and it's just regular common basic non complicated fingertip grip 😝
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid Palm
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Front Tips
6. Separated
Hand Size: 20.5 cm x 11.5 cm
Just switched over from Zowie EC1-A to a G PRO Superlight
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid palm
4. Claw
5. Wheel tips
6. Separated
I'm using the Viper Ult. We need that Viper Mini Ult!
Keep it up with the good videos, your the master
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid Palm
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips/front tip (in between the two but closer to wheel tips. Depends on the mouse)
6. Separated
Using Zy's rail:
1. Anchored
2. angled
3. hybrid palm
4. relaxed fingertip
5. wheel tips / behind wheel tips
6. seperated
I think my grip preferences are:
Elevated
Straight
Palm
Tip/overhang
1 2 2 (so the "normal" finger placements)
My wrist can't really arch upward properly to use mice how they were intended (usually some sort of finger/claw grip with the wrist on the mat) so the ubiquitous small egg-shaped mice are very unsuitable (I had a Logitech G305 that was partly responsible for my wrist ending up like this, as well as a keyboard shelf under the desk with an annoying lip that contributed to the issue). I have smaller hands but yet there are no mice sufficiently flat in the longitudinal dimension (while being narrow enough to be held comfortably in my smaller hands) to fit me. I wound up switching to a trackball to escape the horrendous RSI (and even it isn't perfect since it is really too big, and I have to float my wrist since it is still that annoying egg shape).
Basically I want my hand to lie more or less flat upon the top of the mouse, curving around its sides but not at the back. Do you have any recommendations?
My grip is a little bit "anchored" but it's really only the Pisoform Bone and the right side of my palm a bit. It's barely touching so I can lift it up to flick and anchor it more when seeking precise micro corrections, similar effect to how claw is used, but with a bit less control all around the mouse, a little bit of bias towards controlling from the pisiform
so I guess I want to call that*:
1. hybrid anchored*
2. angled
3. hybrid palm
4. relaxed fingertip
5. front tips
6. 1-2-2 together (due to old injury I can't use my pinky fully independently, I keep it tucked beneath my ring finger and kinda anchored to it, but I often drop the tip to the mousepad for control along with the tip of my ring finger. Especially when I lift my pisiform bone up for flicks, as that pushes both tips lower and helps with precision & stopping power)
Anchored
Angled
Hybrid Palm
Relaxed fingertip
wheel tips
it's a 131 grip, but with the ring finger on top of the mouse, but where the click stops.(all Logitech mice have this, can't aim with a mouse without sides to the click)
1. anchored
2. straight
3. hybrid palm
4. relaxed fingertip
6. wheel tips
7. together
xtrfy mz1
Trying out the GPX for the first time. Was used to a glorious O-
1. anchored
2. angled
3. not touching
4. claw
5. behind wheel tips
6. 1 2 2 separated
Using Glorious Model O- Matte Black
0:18 1. Anchored
0:32 2. Angled
0:53 3. Hybrid Palm
1:06 4. Fingertip
1:33 5. Front Tips
2:06 6. Crazy (i put my thumb on the bottom left of the mouse and my index on the side buttons, my third finger on the left click and 4th on the right click and 5th on the border left of the mouse, it looks like the triple 6 sign AKA the ok sign AKA the sike sign. I use this grip mainly because my whole life i've been left handed but used mouse right handed)
what made you start using that grip lol
You are awesome! Thank you for this video, it's really helpful.
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. No palm at all
4. Relaxed fingertip
5. Front tips
6. Separated
Razer Deathadder V2
1 anchored
2 straight
3 hybrid palm
4. relaxed fingertip
5. front tips
6. separated
zowie s1 medium/ g903
Anchored, angled, hybrid palm, varies between relaxed fingertip and claw, wheel tips, 1-3-1. Hand is 20.5 x 12. Been using the g303 SE, but your search suggested the mm720, and I have been wanting to try that mouse out of curiosity.
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid Palm
4. Claw
5. Behind Wheel
6. Together
Using ZA13-C and GPX and fits pretty good but I prefer ZA its a bit better if you have kinda big hands (mine 19.5x10.5)
slightly anchored
straight- although i have a tilt grip (not sure you covered that)
palm
claw (slightly arched)
front tips
together
Xrtfy M4, NP01, superlight
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid palm
4. Relaxed fingertip
5. Front tips
6. Together
Currently using the razer orochi v2
1. Anchored
2. Straight
3. Palm
4. Relaxed
5. Wheel
6. Separated
Current mouse is Logi MX Ergo Trackball Wireless
Not sure why, but this mouse has worked best for me so far.
Somehow I ended up having the same grip as you do. I prefer ergo mice with my grip (currently using MX518 Legendary - it fits SO well for that grip style), so I'm waiting on a Glorious Model D to come by.
felt like you should've added hand size measurement guide as well. To have everything in one video to refer to in the future
This is a solid way forward since the normal grips never really told me anything.
This grip always fit me best on the HyperX Surge
1.Anchored
2.Straight
3.Hybrid Palm
4.Relaxed Fingertip
5.Front Tips
6.Crazy (121)
121, does that mean you have 4 fingers?
@@jonasba2764 No I just have big hands so my pinky is off my mouse.
@@its_FUBAR Ah ok. I also used to play like that but changed my grip because it seemed to lead to inconsistency
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid--palm
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips
6. separated
currently on GPX
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. No Palm Touching
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel-Tip
6. Separated
1. Anchored
2. Angled
3. Hybrid Palm
4. Relaxed Fingertip
5. Wheel Tips
6. 122 Together
Using HyperX Pulsefire Surge for the last year.
Anchored, straight angle , my thumb and my pinky touching pad(even fingertip of both pinky and ring finger touching pad). I do this because I like the feedback I get from the pad, feels like I have way more control. This suits my pretty low sens, snappy style of aiming, 60~cm/360. My fingers ends up in a relaxed fingertip grip with my fingertips resting on the front edge of the buttons, I got pretty long fingers. Finger spread is 1 2 2
1. Anchored
2 Angled
3. Hybrid palm
4. Relaxed fingertip (sometimes claw)
5. Wheel tips
6. Separated 121
anchored, angled, hybrid, relaxed fingertip, front tips, my ring finger usually sits on the edge where the right mb and side of mouse meet (i feel the space between the button and the mouse)
1) Anchored; 2) Angled; 3) Hybrid Palm; 4) Fingertip; 5) Wheel Tips; 6) Finger separation on side but I have tendency to use my pinky for flick references;
My mouse is the DM1 FPS.
Anchored, straight, palm, relaxed fingertip, wheel tips, and separated. Was never really care about mouse I got, I use whatever I had on hand, including the one I'm currently using, Logitech G102, got it as a freebie together with my laptop. Got double clicking issue after more than 5 years. Just replace the switch yesterday and it's as good as new. At first I thought this mouse would be too big for my puny hand, but turns out it fits me well.
If you using your palm then you are not using fingertip or claw grip because in these grips either your palm don't touch mouse hump or slightly touch it with only a bit of palm
I think you are using palm grip but for g102 small size u said it fits you well so either your hand very small or you using claw palm grip