The Great Polling Rate Debate | Is 8000hz a gimmick or need?

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  • @Mokeysniper
    @Mokeysniper หลายเดือนก่อน +795

    you just wanted an excuse to show us that sick lightning footage

    • @TwiggehTV
      @TwiggehTV หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Worth it

    • @maakureviews
      @maakureviews หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      LMAO

    • @Kaiyening
      @Kaiyening หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Totally worth it. Almost made my day

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +77

      Ngl, was my favourite part of the video. And to make it even better, while I was editing this last night, we had a crazy thunderstorm, so while replaying this clip flashing on my screen, I was watching the lightning flash through my window too.
      (I use UPS so don't worry, computer was safe from the storm, no power outages anyway)

    • @maozedowner5915
      @maozedowner5915 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Where's my Lifeline movement video Mokey?

  • @SevereMkII
    @SevereMkII หลายเดือนก่อน +417

    A buddy picked up an 8k mouse couldn't stop talking about how amazing it felt, how it improved his game etc etc. I was over about 4 months ago and set it to 1k. Was over again a couple weeks ago and it was still 1k. I asked him how he was liking the mouse, he started going on and on again. I told him to check his polling rate and told him it was all in his head. He was pissed, not at me, but at spending that much money and it all being in his head.

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +182

      An actual blind test... where you don't even know you're being tested.

    • @5ensLess
      @5ensLess หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@RocketJumpNinja my buddy did the same thing to me but I noticed from 2k to 1k but by very little but I was 100 percent right out of 20 tests.. i was aware of the 19 other tests tho so maybe some luck. Either way I have many 8k mice and will probably never use 8k over just 2k

    • @KennyT187
      @KennyT187 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​​@@RocketJumpNinja I feel the difference in smoothness and responsiveness right away if I change the setting from 8 kHz to 1 kHz while playing CS2, and my flicks in quick situations aren't as accurate with 1 kHz because I've gotten used to the 8 kHz setting. In general, higher polling rate kind of makes it feel like the mouse has more DPI without changing the actual tracking speed, but you definitely can feel the difference in smoothness and flicks if you suddenly change from 8 kHz to 1 kHz.

    • @Raven.tech614
      @Raven.tech614 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      also depending on the mouse, "8k" isnt 8k. its probably 3.5k-5.5k. i have three "8k" mice and none of them do actual 8k

    • @Kryptiical
      @Kryptiical หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Raven.tech614 What dpi do you use?

  • @GrzybDominator
    @GrzybDominator หลายเดือนก่อน +156

    I can feel the difference easily, the difference in how long the mouse works on battery :D

  • @lostboy2637
    @lostboy2637 หลายเดือนก่อน +437

    Most people ignore that monitor and ping matter way more than polling rate

    • @NickSharpx
      @NickSharpx หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      So true, ping is probably the most neglected aspect ever imo next to mousepad choice

    • @jR0xas
      @jR0xas หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Definitely true. I always recommend to people to save up for an OLED because it's the device that's gonna make the most difference by far apart from maybe a better PC.

    • @glashausAimz2
      @glashausAimz2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      absolutely! theres so much missinformation out there concerning Hz and net settings!

    • @Zappthed
      @Zappthed หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      People want to change what they can change with minimal efforts.
      Ping difference can't be easily changed, and monitor requires more fps to see the effects which leads to upgrade, thus more effort.

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@NickSharpxmousepad is huge. Can completely transform the experience

  • @badseedtech
    @badseedtech หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    Great video man! I will preach this message til I’m in the ground. No human person can detect .12ms of latency.

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Thanks champ! Yeah I would love if a channel did genuine blind tests with someone who truly believed they could tell the difference... they'd have to be super human or very lucky to get it right consistently, surely.

    • @Snxgur
      @Snxgur หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      amen brother

    • @RIP212
      @RIP212 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's hard to notice, but you do notice them in VR whey playing something super fast paced like Beat Saber on Expert and Expert+ levels. But it just the accuracy gets worse and more mistakes. E.g Display Port delay (let's call it real time (it's around 15-20ms) vs compressed through Oculus Link or similar that adds 35-60ms of latency on top for compression decompression etc., and you miss so much more blocks.
      So, yeah, when latency adds up you feel it :)

    • @eskezje
      @eskezje 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RocketJumpNinja you can take a look at Latency Split Test: Find Your Lag Threshold made by Aperture Grille. People have done that, and we are multiple people who have been able to get 10-12 correct at around 4-5ms

    • @eskezje
      @eskezje 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@RocketJumpNinja by this logic u shouldnt be able to feel the difference of 500hz and 1000hz, since its only a 1ms difference

  • @kacperek5469
    @kacperek5469 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    8000hz is old now, i pref 30 000hz or 40 500hz imagine using a mouse with 8k in 2024

    • @henrikw377
      @henrikw377 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      My mouse runs on depleted uranium, slaying noobs really is better at gamma ray frequency polling rate. Downside: I've started to develop some weird skin condition, not sure why....

    • @alxk3995
      @alxk3995 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@henrikw377maybe you will grow some additional fingers. We could need those for all those hotkeys in modern games. 😂

    • @jesukxd8494
      @jesukxd8494 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Imagine how long battery would last if mice could do 40khz

    • @allan3129
      @allan3129 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jesukxd8494 bro i got 5 minutes of battery life but its so smooth i promise

    • @Condred
      @Condred หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Make sure you use at least 20k DPI to take full advantage of your 40kHz polling!

  • @Teh-Penguin
    @Teh-Penguin หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Thank you for confirming what I always thought was the case but never knew how to reliably check.

  • @SerjGhiriPianowl
    @SerjGhiriPianowl 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Man, I love you! This video perfectly explains why I always follow your advice about mice. I bought the Zowie FK2 based on your recommendation and used it for 7 years without a single worry. Now, here we are again discussing this topic. While all the tech channels are saying to upgrade your PC and set the DPI high to achieve that near-8kHz polling rate, your video makes it crystal clear that it’s just not worth it. Thank you so much!

  • @ArrythmiaFPS
    @ArrythmiaFPS หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    Disabling CPU C-States on almost any system will allow 2khz and higher to work in pretty much every game. Higher polling rates will still raise your overall CPU usage, but disabling C-States will allow the interrupts to be processed properly.
    4khz and higher does feel a bit smoother, personally, but it's very inconsequential. When games start running at 1000fps and 1000hz monitors are the norm, then sure, 8khz polling will be "better".

    • @helterskelter416
      @helterskelter416 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      even running at 1000fps and with 1000hz monitors, your movements and reactions aren't ever going to necessitate 8khz of updates from the mouse, and you wouldn't be able to perceive the difference in movements anyway.
      for humans there will never be any benefit to a polling rate that high.

    • @AquilaeYT
      @AquilaeYT หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Disabling C-States wont improve anything about polling rate.
      You can run high polling rate even with C-States.

    • @ArrythmiaFPS
      @ArrythmiaFPS หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@AquilaeYT This is verifiably untrue. Older platforms especially benefit from this. My 9900k with C-States enabled gets the same issues RJN has in this video. Disabling C-States solves it. It's literally the cores being put into lower power states dynamically by C-States that causes the USB interrupts to not be processed properly on many platforms. Some of the newer, better CPUs are more efficient at this natively, true, but even they can still benefit from having it disabled.

    • @AquilaeYT
      @AquilaeYT หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ArrythmiaFPS Think what you want but it is simply how it is.
      There is strictly no direct related issues between high polling rate and C-States setting, this may due to your specific configuration.
      I don't know about your old specific configuration but C-States won't directly interfere with USB in newer platform and don't restrict the amount of data and the rate of it, there is no difference at all, you can doubt as you want but keep in mind that all motherboard are don't optimized the same as others.
      In your case, that's just subjective.

    • @Zappthed
      @Zappthed หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ArrythmiaFPS Do you have some documentation or proof(s) or this is just gist and speculation? I want to believe and test it myself, but it would be a waste of time if it really doesn't make a difference.

  • @I2obiNtube
    @I2obiNtube หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Polling rate is about accuracy of movement data effectively. Your mouse is a small camera and DPI is the resolution of that camera. It's more sensitive because as you increase that resolution it will detect much smaller movements and translate that to input because it has a greater resolution (dots/units) in the photos it takes. Higher DPI does not add speed or acceleration, it's simply that lower dpi does not capture as much movement at the lower resolution. The DSP is the processor that compares movement from let's say position X to position Y from pictures taken 59μs (microseconds) apart. Now after that calculation has been performed your mouse will update your PC via usb every 1ms. Relative to the speed of the sensor, it's somewhat slow.
    However take 8000Hz which is updating effectively every 125μs (microseconds) we are now able to update the PC based on the movement taken from our tiny camera much closer to a 1:1 ratio. What does this mean in practice? Greater accuracy in movement. The mouse is communicating a more accurate picture of how you got from position X to position Y to the PC. At 1000Hz or 1000μs or 1ms (microseconds) we are still being told we have moved from position X to position Y because the algorithm is still accurately working that out, but with 8000Hz we are getting more movement data along the way. In terms of latecy, you're gaining 875μs (microseconds) so that is basically imperceptible. What you are gaining is accuracy of movement. You have more data points along the line from point X to point Y which will result in something like this (exaggerated) imgur.com/a/6JR43qy
    The point here I guess is that at a gaming computing level 1ms is a very long time. Your game frames are ideally generated probably in 3-4ms time period but that is end to end system frames. Your mouse camera (sensor) is capable of taking pictures FAR faster than what the mouse processor currently can keep up with, so the logical thing to do is to have the mouse processor operate faster to keep up with the sensor. In theory, your game engine (assuming it's not locked to updating the input position every 1ms) can get a more accurate input of where you moved your mouse to get from point X to point Y. It's important to understand that ultimately if you move from point X to point Y, you will always end up at point Y because the algorithm itself will be accurate. The question is do the data points in between matter that much? Looking at various scenarios, small movements? Probably not. Big flicks? In some very exceptional edge cases, maybe. But most likely probably not.
    The test you do at 2:15 I wouldn't necessarily expect to see "better" drawings of those shapes. I'd potentially expect worse because you are getting finer movements that you wouldn't have seen before. So any tiny imperfections in the movement will now translate into data. It's really hard to see where the benefits of 8k data will be except on paper, but assuming in the future we will get end to end system latency into sub 1ms time then it possibly will have benefits there.

    • @olisk-jy9rz
      @olisk-jy9rz 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      All this useless wall of text just to conclude "it's possible in the future it might be useful". And it's pure speculation too, because literally nothing you said confutates anything said in video. ChatGTP ahh comment.

    • @I2obiNtube
      @I2obiNtube 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@olisk-jy9rz :(

  • @Guarrow
    @Guarrow หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    3:40 Visually yes, but that's why people talk about smoothness and how it's supposed to feel different. It's the same about screens : there was people who used to say that you shouldn't care too much about a screen's response time « because you can't see the difference unless you are a superhuman », but you can feel it. The response time of the screen affects stuff like ghosting, artifacts or overall latency feel. That's why when I watch someone playing on a 144hz, it feels so fluid, even more than mine. Then I had someone play on my own screen ... and it felt more smooth than usual : that's because I'm not playing, even tho when playing I can feel the difference between 120 and 144 fps.
    After some testing myself in OW2, just switching between 1K and 2K I could notice when I forgot I was using 1K because it would feel just a tiny bit different.
    I haven't tried a complete blind test, but just like it feels more sluggish when I use 500hz, it's just a tiny bit faster when using 2K. I could go 4K but I don't want the battery to drain too fast and 8K ... I'm not even sure it's properly implemented anyway so why bother
    It's not a gimmick but it's clearly not a need. You're gaining so little there's just no use for most people. Stick to whatever honestly, but don't pick an 8K mouse because it's 8K lol, that's stupid. Refresh rate should be the last thing you think about when picking a mouse, everything is at least 1K, which is already enough. Shape is much more important, build quality, clicks and buttons, sensor, software and features ... are also more important

  • @UpgradeLemonade
    @UpgradeLemonade หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Ive had the same thoughts for ages. Its just not meaningful enough to use 8k. Cool to see tech pushed further but other aspect of a gaming mouse are far more meaningful. And also your time training/improving

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah for sure. So what's a good way for marketers to promote mice without fancy pointless numbers? Maybe if we can give them an alternative they can start focusing on things that actually matter...

  • @dedeath
    @dedeath หลายเดือนก่อน +195

    been telling people that the fps youre losing from running 4k/8k is going to offset the latency gain from higher polling.
    its entirely unneeded

    • @Raumance
      @Raumance หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How would that case frame loss?

    • @grev.
      @grev. หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@Raumance increased cpu usage by the kernel

    • @jR0xas
      @jR0xas หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I'm on a wired mouse anyway and my PC is good enough to handle it. Only 8k causes some problems in older games but that's about it. On wireless I only ever use 2k or 4k. I would never buy a dongle just for that though. If it's included, cool, otherwise don't bother.

    • @ProXcaliber
      @ProXcaliber หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@jR0xas I have a pretty decent PC (7900x with a 3080) and I honestly cannot notice any difference when switching between the different polling rates on my mouse.

    • @JgHaverty
      @JgHaverty หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Dude, what kind of potato are you running where swapping to 8k polling "loses you frames"? Thats an absurdist angle

  • @senseofpermanence
    @senseofpermanence หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    360hz monitor made a WAY bigger difference for me than 2k or 4k polling. I stick to 1K now for the most part, sometimes 2k.

    • @jesukxd8494
      @jesukxd8494 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same

    • @Snxgur
      @Snxgur หลายเดือนก่อน

      my preferred mouse of choice (the original Model O) doesn’t even offer past 1k polling so i’ll stick to 1k cus i love the model o shape and buttons

    • @yadielandujar3563
      @yadielandujar3563 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      2k is the sweet spot

  • @Ico938
    @Ico938 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    You will never find a single person that claims to feel the difference record themselves doing a blind test. Has never and will never happen.

    • @vladgaedel8521
      @vladgaedel8521 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      i did a blind test on stream, you didnt come to watch

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@vladgaedel8521 i'm in on your street and you denied me entry as an impartial witness!

    • @vladgaedel8521
      @vladgaedel8521 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@BOZ_11 sry i couldnt hear the knock, was busy testing pollrates

    • @noyes.
      @noyes. หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@vladgaedel8521
      We saw it dude why you think your mail keeps going missing?

    • @Sorest2
      @Sorest2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      There is actually someone who did record a blind test themselves using a python script setting the polling rate to a random number. He could consistently tell the difference by moving the cursor in circles in desktop, between 1000, 2000 and 4000 Hz. Still, it's really a stretch.
      EDIT: here it is th-cam.com/video/s5ukK3krGp4/w-d-xo.html

  • @Molo9000
    @Molo9000 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I didn’t notice any improvement in latency at 2K or 4k, but I do believe I noticed an improvement in motion smoothness/jitter. When a frame is drawn and displayed every 6.9ms (144Hz) or 4.2ms (240Hz) it probably does make a difference if the delay between polling the mouse and rendering of the frame can vary by up to 1ms. Makes sense to me.
    Still sent the mouse back because the shape was uncomfortable and the software was chinesium unsigned drivers.

  • @MrOneye_86
    @MrOneye_86 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice video! you saved me money bro! You have officially became one of the best!

  • @NoAimNoGain
    @NoAimNoGain หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Could not agree more. I've been sharing the same thoughts for a while now. 2-8k is absolutely bs marketing. They need to sell us a new number because nobody gives a shit about DPI anymore.

  • @antal1207
    @antal1207 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I have the Razer Deathadder V3. I can confirm 1000Hz works better in most games, not to say 8000hz causes massive nano-stutter.

    • @bulletlottery
      @bulletlottery หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      feels buggy even at 2000hz too

    • @Snxgur
      @Snxgur หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bulletlotteryi agree, it feels really like shaky and the speed just didn’t feel right when i tested a mouse on 8k

    • @user-qh4dv9mw9g
      @user-qh4dv9mw9g หลายเดือนก่อน

      I actually don’t like the mouse I wish I had gotten super light g pro 2 dex.

  • @SiqFix
    @SiqFix 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    All about shape, weight, and build quality for me!

  • @twpsyn
    @twpsyn หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I would love to see LTT make a blind test like they did with monitor refresh rates a few years back. grab a couple of pros and some casuals and see if any of them can actually tell the difference between 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 and 8000hz. my assumption would be that linus and some of the LTT staff would maybe be able to tell the difference between 500 and 1000 and that pros could maybe feel the difference between 1000 and anything higher, but could not accurately identify differences between 2000, 4000 and 8000 in a blind scenario

    • @mugiwara.eugene
      @mugiwara.eugene หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      No test is required. The difference between 60-500hz monitors can be filmed and you will see the difference in slo-mo. But the difference between 1000-8000hz in mice is so small that it would be too hard to film. And it would be impossible to feel

    • @jprice_
      @jprice_ หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Heck, I want to see if they can feel the difference between 125 and 1000

    • @Golden2Talon
      @Golden2Talon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mugiwara.eugene its not about filmed but if it can be feeled...

    • @iPain3G
      @iPain3G หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jprice_ that difference is definitely something you can feel but 500 vs 1000 should be nearly impossible to feel a difference. Everything over 1k is nothing more than a marketingjoke and no one will ever feel any difference.

    • @JgHaverty
      @JgHaverty หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@iPain3G you can definitely feel the jump from 500 to 1000 lol. Especially in things where fluid motion happens over long periods (bhopping/surfing on counterstrike for example).
      Over 1k; theres really no difference. Its like jumping from 60hz to 144hz. This is a MASSIVE difference; but above 144hz, and the proportionality of gain becomes less and less.

  • @DawnSentinel
    @DawnSentinel หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like I can barely discern the difference between 1k and 2k polling when I am specifically using them back to back, and looking for the differences in smoothness. The difference that I think I can discern is so minor that I still run 1k though. It's not worth my concern, so I'll take the extra battery life.

  • @mkt8997
    @mkt8997 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I once though I had my mouse at 4k and was playing really well, I went into g hub to change my dpi and I realized it was on 1k the entire time💀

  • @vindrytter
    @vindrytter หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I switched to 500Hz after the release of Modern Warfare 2019. For some reason, the mouse movement felt kind of weird at 1000Hz. And then I found two solutions: either disable the Filmic T2x anti-aliasing and play with horrible pixel shadows, or just lower the mouse polling rate to 500Hz. I chose the second option.

  • @Nateyo
    @Nateyo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a 280Hz monitor, and honestly, the only noticeable difference between 1K and 4K polling rates is a slight improvement in cursor consistency when moving it around in Windows. That’s really it. In games, most are optimized to track your mouse smoothly at 1K polling, so unless you’re using a 4000Hz monitor, I doubt anyone could actually feel a difference beyond a placebo effect. In reality, 4K polling mostly brings the drawbacks mentioned in this video, without offering any meaningful advantages. Same for 8k obviously.

  • @mynamejot8623
    @mynamejot8623 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I use 2k polling to sync up with my 0.5ms timer resolution. Anything higher and it just causes performance issues for me

  • @derbybOyzZ
    @derbybOyzZ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    blurbusters did a good write up on why it is needed on high refresh rate monitors.

  • @evilhorde8151
    @evilhorde8151 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thumbs up for trying to keep people grounded in reality.
    Gaming mouse subreddit along with modern mouse reviewers did a lot of work in the opposite directions for years.

  • @lemon1x
    @lemon1x หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    “maybe your superhuman and better than robots-“ i am, actually

    • @Metacor.
      @Metacor. หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I'm pretty sure a robot would've used the correct form of "your"

    • @nexwga
      @nexwga หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Metacor. he's not saying hes a robot..

    • @idkwhatname3133
      @idkwhatname3133 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nexwga if hes better than robots he should be able to do it as well

    • @olisk-jy9rz
      @olisk-jy9rz 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well you should download some grammar program then, you need it.

  • @ninjamin_
    @ninjamin_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sometimes it's not about seeing the difference side by side but trusting the data that proves there's a latency advantage.

    • @axiriac
      @axiriac หลายเดือนก่อน

      wdym?

    • @Low-Eek
      @Low-Eek หลายเดือนก่อน

      ? he spoke about this in the video, You reaction time is more than 150ms, 8k deacrease lag by 0.8ms, you have more chance to win lottery than for this diff to make you win ONE INTERACTION in game

    • @ninjamin_
      @ninjamin_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Low-Eek it would make you win any interaction where there'd be two players shooting each other at the same time. The one with the faster mouse would win.

    • @ninjamin_
      @ninjamin_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@axiriac I mean just because trying to notice 1khz vs 2khz+ is very difficult doesn't mean you don't benefit. It's still runs faster regardless of your perception.

    • @daysetx
      @daysetx หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's an input delay every time the mouse is in complete still position to a full motion. Once in motion it 1 ms at 1000hz and no one will feel the difference after it's 'in the motion' but that sudden start is what could be the measured case at high DPI low sense scenario.

  • @MainUkraine
    @MainUkraine หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I got the Scyrox V8 for $70 which is good value considering its under 40g and 8k polling with good web based software. I definitely do not recommend shelling out a ton of money just for 8k top brand mice.

    • @olisk-jy9rz
      @olisk-jy9rz 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      70$ IS a ton of moneys for a mouse.

    • @lemon1x
      @lemon1x 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @olisk-jy9rz “Well you should download some grammar program then, you need it.” dawg you cant spell either😭😭 “moneys” 🏴‍☠️💀

    • @olisk-jy9rz
      @olisk-jy9rz 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lemon1x LMAO, i got you so mad i turned you into a stalker 🤣🤣 Difference is, i'm not a native speaker and i don't claim to be "better than a robot" like your sorry ahh did.

    • @MainUkraine
      @MainUkraine 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@olisk-jy9rz $70 is really not very expensive compared to the main brands of mice. Mice are just getting more expensive in general. But you can get cheaper good mouse for about $40-50

    • @lemon1x
      @lemon1x 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@olisk-jy9rz stalker is an absurd claim big bro, seeing that comment took a singular click. you are begging for scraps. all i did was make an observation of you being hypocritical. that is all 🤥🤥🤡

  • @balduin_b4334
    @balduin_b4334 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    nice video, I would have like a small test on 2k polling, but I also think that is a marketing thing

  • @MrThaigamer
    @MrThaigamer หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are the keyboard polling the same?
    Because many chinese oem are advertising the 8K polling even 32K polling too

  • @lohvrti
    @lohvrti หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd be super interested to know how polling rates and hall effect is improving keyboard technology and quality in general, if that's something youre interested in.

  • @Touma134
    @Touma134 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That lightning example was pretty damn good.

  • @Classikh
    @Classikh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just saw a Pulsar X2H and 8K Hz Polling Rate adaptor for $40 so this video couldn't have come at a more perfect time

    • @JgHaverty
      @JgHaverty หลายเดือนก่อน

      EVGA X17's have dual lift off sensors (this IS nice), table tuning (also VERY nice) AND an 8k pixart sensor... for 17-20 bucks on amazon.

    • @JgHaverty
      @JgHaverty หลายเดือนก่อน

      currently 15 dollars actually lol. Its a very nice mouse

  • @Zephyr8086
    @Zephyr8086 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video, Zy.

  • @gh0rilla
    @gh0rilla หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great work! Could You share ur ql cfg ? Thanks

  • @uselessestfeature
    @uselessestfeature 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i had the razer software reset my settings a few times, and i could always tell it after a while. it is VERY subtle, but it is there. and it does help me in the games i play (mostly mordhau).
    60hz would be plenty for me too, but i very much prefer how everything in my system is snappy because that is a far better experience

  • @kruger7796
    @kruger7796 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I can tell the difference between 1k and 4k on a 360hz display. Now, I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other but I can tell a difference if I squeeze the mouse making my hand shake really fast which translates to a specific movement of the cursor. I've done this in a blind test where my brother changed the setting without me knowing. This is with a Superlight 2 with the 4k firmware. I would still be happy just using 1k but I can tell the difference.

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So you have a test that can figure it out, would you know in game with regular use? And I'll give that test a try, what movement should be I looking for? Thanks!

    • @kruger7796
      @kruger7796 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RocketJumpNinja I can probably not see it ingame or during any practical use and my explanation is most likley not very useful or clear. But I simply found a perceivable difference in how the cursor appeared to move on the desktop while "flexing" my hand in a way that made the mouse and thus the cursor vibrate very fast. Doing this I could "feel" a difference between the two leading me to be able to guess correctly every time.
      Again tho, I think it needs to be stressed that this was me with my setup. If you sat me down at a random PC with a random mouse I might not be able to tell at all. As previously mentioned I'm using a 360hz monitor with normal overdrive and a superlight 2 @ 4k polling rate and 1600 dpi. 6/11 win sens with no accel.
      This is very much not scientifically whatsoever but I thought I was worth a mention.
      EDIT: This perceived difference might not be a reduction in noticable input delay or anything like that but rather just increased variance in the polling itself. As you probably already know we rarely reach the full 4k at 1600dpi since it requires us to move the mouse really really fast unless we multiply the sens inside whatever game we play. So what I perceive might be a reduction in consistency. A consistency found in 1k polling since we actually reach the 1k cap more often. Again, this is all speculation since I have not used any software capable to map this in any readable way.

    • @clarkclone
      @clarkclone หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kruger7796 When you say you can notice it while moving the cursor in desktop, did you disable the Windows' Enhance pointer precision? That setting actually enables mouse acceleration and is on by default on Windows. There are differences from 125Hz to 8KHz if there is mouse acceleration. However, using raw input (disable mouse acceleration) and I cannot notice any difference and I have a 240Hz monitor. Some games even disable mouse acceleration by default but some don't.

    • @kruger7796
      @kruger7796 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clarkclone Yes. As I mentioned in the edit I disable mouse accel and keep the speed at 6/11. I only tested 1k and 4k on a 360hz monitor. Again tho, it might not be a reduction in input lag or anything like that but merely the difference in the available polling span. It is a lot easier to cap out 1k hz at 1600dpi than it is to cap out 4k hz.
      There is a noticable difference but weather it is a positive or negative one is up for debate. I want to be clear that I'm not saying that 4k hz feels "better" than 1k hz. Just that it is a noticable difference.

  • @xTomikk_
    @xTomikk_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have 540hz monitor and playing 4k poolling rate when i forgot to turn the pooling rate to 4k i spot the difference in few seconds but between 4k to 8k i cant spot a thing. I think 4k is enough for now

    • @pixelgaming8632
      @pixelgaming8632 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what games do you play? what mouse do you have?

    • @xTomikk_
      @xTomikk_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pixelgaming8632 cs2, call of duty Razer Viper V3 Pro

  • @baileyboys2292
    @baileyboys2292 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    There are also some fixes that helped make 8khz stable for me In your motherboard bios enable/disable these settings
    Disable c states
    Disable cppc
    Disable cppc preferred cores
    L1 Stream HW Prefetcher - Enabled
    -L2 Stream HW Prefetcher - Enabled
    These settings made 8khz stable for me

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      you disabled cpu cores to get 8K polling to work???????? Did i understand that right?

    • @baileyboys2292
      @baileyboys2292 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @ Wydm, it’s not disable cores it’s just running your cpu at full bore, all cores are still functional

    • @baileyboys2292
      @baileyboys2292 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ it might increase temperatures possibly but it made 8khz stable along with the other fixes

    • @NoName-st6zc
      @NoName-st6zc หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And why would you go through that hassle for a useless feature like 2/4/8k anyways?

    • @MelonMusk068
      @MelonMusk068 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@NoName-st6zc Some people like to believe it's not placebo, while it is. That's the only reason to use it. It 'feels' better, but it is 99% the same.

  • @fnxl11
    @fnxl11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I would say 2k Hz is a good sweet spot to be honest, it just makes sense. If there's an argument to be made against 2k vs 1k, we can also do the same for 1k vs 500 Hz. I don't think many people (if any) will consistently be able to tell the difference between 500hz and 1k Hz, but it's logical to conclude it is slightly better and can give slight performance gains just like 2k vs 1k, even though the gains will for sure be diminished.

    • @xaiti3703
      @xaiti3703 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      there's visible difference between 500hz and 1000hz, just watch optimumtech's video on polling rate. anything over 1khz is overkill and doesn't actually yield better results that are even remotely noticeable

  • @VladSuperKat
    @VladSuperKat หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also can we work on shapes? I have a project to cut the gravastar m2 mouse the back of it the first hole and to sculpt it util it gets to 50-60 grams because it is 79-80 grams. Also the concave buttons are epic for people with small hands but better than that the perfect shape to make you feel like you are just using your hand and buttons to be like triggers.

  • @gppy
    @gppy หลายเดือนก่อน

    can you review the Endgame Gear OP18K

  • @Exodus.1337
    @Exodus.1337 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It doesnt matter guys... 25+ years in fps and Ill shit on anyone with any mouse.. as long as you have 1000mhz polly ur good. Just grab the lightest and most comfortable..

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lightweight is king, I don't care what anyone says. My htx mini is the lightest mouse I own at 29g, and it is just insane. Feels like I am moving air

  • @jimmy9607
    @jimmy9607 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to see someone make videos 3D printing and testing viewer submitted mouse shapes. Basically a mouse version of Major Hardware's Fan Showdown series.

  • @Seas0nedChef
    @Seas0nedChef หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    2k/4k/8k polling rates are all gimmicks. These do not make you a "better" gamer, It the consistency with your current main mouse and in-game knowledge that make you better.

    • @hxpelives
      @hxpelives หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      2k Is genuinely viable, with Logitech having the best implementation by a landslide.

    • @Seas0nedChef
      @Seas0nedChef หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@hxpelives you still need a machine capable of allowing you to game at 2khz

    • @hxpelives
      @hxpelives หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Seas0nedChef While that's fair enough, the jump in CPU load from 1k to 2k polling rate is negligible compared to 1k to 4k, which does demand a high end CPU. The amount of times you'll have 2k not run well but 1k do are pretty much the same as having 1k not run well but 500 do.
      I don't know enough to tell you why the diminishing returns nosedive so aggressively at 4k tbh.

    • @KarmaOTS
      @KarmaOTS หลายเดือนก่อน

      2K is valid and you can feel the difference on a high refresh rate monitor

    • @Seas0nedChef
      @Seas0nedChef หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KarmaOTS I wish that was the case for me. I am still on 1080p 60hz

  • @Khal1d
    @Khal1d หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'll be honest with you I feel like I can notice 8k when i switch to it but one time i turned it down to 1k to play a story game and forgot to turn it back up and only realised after i finished a ranked game lol

  • @thewarmwind6171
    @thewarmwind6171 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yup 100%. I have a finalmouse ULX and I'm way more excited about their between polling technology (which is only available at 1000hrz polling) than the 8000 hrz. Anything over 1000 is just diminishing or even negative returns. Honestly I think even the between polling tech is not needed, I just thought it was neat and I like the theory behind the finalmouse business model (even if I don't like the execution).

    • @hatty101
      @hatty101 หลายเดือนก่อน

      whats behind tech?

    • @thewarmwind6171
      @thewarmwind6171 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hatty101 I'm going to guess that you're asking what the technology I'm talking about actually is. When the ULX is polling at 1000hrz, if you click the a button the mouse will ignore the polling rate and send a poll immediately.
      This gives the ULX one of the fastest click response times in the industry without being too harsh on battery or your CPU.

    • @hatty101
      @hatty101 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thewarmwind6171 my razer 8khz have the world fastest click response time afaik, it regersiter a click at 8000hz even if u set it to 1000hz from the app.

  • @KirbyN64
    @KirbyN64 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're one of, if not THE most trustworthy guy in this regard. if you say 8000hz is not usable right now, or doesn't feel like it is the next step, i'm very inclined to believe you.
    But being optimistic... maybe upcoming games and hardware will be able to make better use of this technology. In cases like this, i like to think these stuff are just ahead of it's time.
    But let's see. Fingers crossed!

  • @mrwater2033
    @mrwater2033 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think sensors matter? For instance, pixart 3310 compared to pixart 3390? And yeah, shape and weight matter the most imo. I have a lightweight mouse 51g and one at 118g and I prefer the 95g/118g just because it feels more accurate.

  • @h4tzi35
    @h4tzi35 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree to everything, such a good video with excellent points!

  • @ConstantineNuke
    @ConstantineNuke หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    just drag your mouse pointer across a black screen and film it at 30 fps. There is a difference in how jittery the trajectory looks, which is a little bit important is FPS games
    Sure, by itself half a milisecond isn't much, but it can add up with other components. In a competitive envirorment every little bit counts. Plus you're not saving half a milisecond once, you save it on every individual microadjusment you make. As an avid aim trainers enjoyer i can definitely say there is a mesurable difference

    • @4ka07_muhammadrizky
      @4ka07_muhammadrizky 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      unless you're pro player top 0.00001% that makes a difference

  • @KaleTornado
    @KaleTornado หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's your opinion of 4k polling? Is it enough of a middle ground that you benefit from some of the improved latency but not as much of the other negatives from 8k?

  • @Ket_plays
    @Ket_plays 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a an OP1 8k (wired) and I've tried polling rates above 1k, but at least with my setup and the games I play I felt it was worse overall because of the stuttering issues I saw in-game. Maybe in the future if/when this is reduced so that 8k has little to no impact on frametimes, maybe then I'll be able to decide if I notice an improvement from 8k; but for now, I'll be sticking to 1k polling as it's good enough for me and the biggest thing holding me back (other than my own skill ofc) is fps, frametimes, and stability. Also while I would recommend the op1 8k as it's a great value gaming mouse I personally would probably prefer a mouse with similar weight and a shape that better suits my hand that's wireless and sacrifice the 8k potential as I don't even use it.

  • @assada5297
    @assada5297 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use the keychron m4 and I think the firmware or something makes 1k and latency not feel good (it feels choppy like sometimes it skips or delays a button prese), but when I switch to 4k it feels more responsive. I tried it on the cobra pro and 1k vs 4k vs 8k made no difference to me on latency.
    It could be placebo or maybe keychron software needs work- either case, I would rather have 1k with good latency and longer battery than 4k with good latency and bad battery

  • @zor8952
    @zor8952 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for mentioning shape. I've been looking for a MM520 replacement for ages now and all we are getting is viper / GPro wireless clones.

  • @paalosordoni7932
    @paalosordoni7932 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Everything you say is spot on.

  • @lulkaku
    @lulkaku หลายเดือนก่อน

    bigger number makes my brain feel good but thats it. when using zowie U2, which is only 1k hz, I honestly can't tell the difference vs my viper v3 pro or superlight 2. Maybe cuz I'm using 360hz and not 540 hz?? idk.

  • @Kaiyening
    @Kaiyening หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is still so much more diplomatic of a way to put it than boardzy would’ve lol 😆

  • @AfterDark62
    @AfterDark62 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:42 I did this on a polling tester and it only registered 400hz(3 digit) highest
    we dont need 1khz after all /s

  • @agg42
    @agg42 หลายเดือนก่อน

    if you're going to make a video about DPI, can you include DPI scaling? There are some recommendations online to use extremely high DPI and use rawaccel to scale down to effectively a usable sensitivity.

    • @daysetx
      @daysetx หลายเดือนก่อน

      Im using this setup on a daily basis but at 1k pooling rate. 240DPI, cant use real 240DPI at all thought.

  • @RomanOrekhov
    @RomanOrekhov หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:45 do you have the same test to tell the difference between 500Hz and 1000Hz?

  • @dogewow8999
    @dogewow8999 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did try playing at 125hz as an experiment, I could see the delay but it didn't affect my performance for some reason. I don't think it can get any better than 1khz. It's like the Hi-Res audio thing, but I barely hear anything above 19.5khz, and nothing above 21khz, I can annoy dogs with my equipment though.

  • @tema6821
    @tema6821 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I noticed a difference with 4k polling on my 360 hertz monitor. Main thing I noticed was better recoil control, especially at range Which I assume has to do with the polling frequency

  • @hotf1ght3r93
    @hotf1ght3r93 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I recently got the Lamzu mini 4k and I was able to test a polling rate at 4000 Hz for the first time.
    On the one hand, the mouse battery drained very quickly and on the other, the cursor moved too quickly.
    I found that I aimed better with a little mouse latency. The latency makes the cursor drag after your mouse movement and I "feel" my aim better.
    Moreover, I can see during the comparison, the right cursor dragging after the mouse has moved.
    However, I think that a polling rate at 2000 Hz can improve my performance during tracking.

  • @mihuuuu
    @mihuuuu หลายเดือนก่อน

    shape is king you are on point there

  • @Dra1n__TV
    @Dra1n__TV หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on Motion Sync

  • @mauriciocs2
    @mauriciocs2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as always. Now we need a video on keyboard. I admit I never tested a wooting but I've tested others that are responsive (drunkdeer I have two). And while I can see the difference in responsiveness, while playing CS2 I honestly don't see a difference. I can strafe/stop the same using both and mechanical. I don't use Snap Tap.

  • @josecangrejo3086
    @josecangrejo3086 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you think of motion sync, and like you I've been playing quake live clan arena for over a decade, and the best thing is placebo for the smoothness that motion sync adds, but if I feel heavier movement when it is active, but I understand that only adds 1ms that should not be noticed.

  • @lslBASICS
    @lslBASICS หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you look at the video from MS, "Applied Sciences Group: High Performance Touch", it does a good job of showing why latency matters. If we can't see the difference in game, I think the question because what's going that it's not observable. Is there a bottle neck? Is the test flawed, and unable to show the difference? Something else?
    When people optimize their computer for 8k gaming. They try to reduce system latency in general. The thing is, those optimization also work for 1k gaming.

  • @aaronisapedo
    @aaronisapedo 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Idk about mice but when i switched my kb from 8khz to 1khz makes it feel slower (probably because im used to 8000)

  • @ignismortis6394
    @ignismortis6394 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oooo i do wanna learn more about the sweet spots of dpi and how different dpi is used for diff games

  • @Electric_Bill
    @Electric_Bill หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Superfluous or not, I want the machine running as fast and smooth as it can. It is often the case that a high specification, regardless of whether you use it to its potential, denotes superior quality standards. By all means purchase what you think will realistically provide value. I just want for the technology to progress towards more fluid inputs and faster rendering.

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But as shown, you're more likely to get stutters, lower battery and other issues by pushing the equipment to that extent... this is one of those cases where less can be more overall. Gotta find the balance point for best performance in this case.

    • @Electric_Bill
      @Electric_Bill หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @RocketJumpNinja The squeaky wheel gets the grease. When an increased standard causes a different limit to be revealed, that just points to the next thing needing improvement. I know you are focused on there here and now, and I get that, but in the long term there is no reason we shouldn't progress the technology to its logical extreme.
      I currently don't experience those issues you describe. My FPS of choice is older as well, so I guess I am exceptionally lucky. If I do find myself having issues, I can always dial it back. I don't demand high polling rates, I would just rather have them where possible.
      It doesn't have to be one thing or the other. There is no need to criticize a 'top mouse,' as you term it, for being over provisioned. The price of what is perceived to be the best tool for the job will invariably be extortionate, and this isn't directly correlated to the amount of spend on its technological spec. It wasn't long ago that far worse products than what we have today demanded premium prices. I expect that any product that wishes to take the top place over the incumbent would have an easier time implementing at least an equivalent specification than it would campaigning for consumers to evolve their views on what is necessary. I say let them spend some of that premium they demand on making it objectively better.

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Electric_Bill As long as they give us cheaper alternatives with the same shapes (and new ones), then sure! I'm not against tech moving forward, I just want the best mice possible... according to that balance I was talking about. The sensor upgrades for wireless to allow for long battery life have been great, but regular functionality was basically flawless even back with the 3360, so companies spending obscene amounts of money on developing new sensors is a waste of money that ends up being put on the consumer. If they want to keep pushing and funding that the money they get from the extreme mice they release, fair enough, but we gotta do something about these costs for a while, so that'll be the focus. Inflation is hitting, so how can we lower cost? One way is not pushing to these (I would deem unnecessary) tech improvements. Squeaky wheels get the grease, yup, so this is what's going to squeak for a while. Then we'll move onto the next squeak. Nothing I'm saying has to be forever, maybe 8k will be good some day, but it's just not needed yet so advertising it like it's a big advantage is just... yeah marketing.

  • @el_daro
    @el_daro หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does it have the same issues on 2000Hz in QL? I don't have anything to test it with, but wonder where exactly do these problems start.

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน

      2000hz seems ok, but I don't really want to risk it so I stick with 1000hz.

    • @el_daro
      @el_daro หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RocketJumpNinja I see. Would be interesting to figure out what code exactly causes the issue (from a technical point of view).
      Is it affected by the _"in_mouse"_ cvar, by the way?

    • @AlfieJPalmer
      @AlfieJPalmer หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@el_daro I use 8000hz in ql and have no issues whatsoever

    • @OG_johnsmith
      @OG_johnsmith หลายเดือนก่อน

      I use 4k in quake live and have zero issues. I can't use 8k tho without severe frame drops.

  • @prixivus85
    @prixivus85 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After thinking about it for a while I just decided to go for a happy little medium whether it's 2k or 4k, and stick with that. I noticed enough fps drops on val using my op18k at 8k hz to make me say, yeah, no, might be nicer but I think I'll keep it at 2k or 4k at most. The shape is awesome though, that's what I like most, plus it's wired, no batteries here.

  • @MOOMAIV
    @MOOMAIV หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Idk if you know this but w11 runs alot better with high polling rate mice. The scheduler was not prioritizing the mouse at all in pre 23h2 w11 or still not in w10. That being said it def differs from mouse to mouse, 2k seems to be the sweet spot. I have yet to use a 8k wireless mouse that did not feel like crap with tons of dropped inputs, the only time i ever felt like it being better was the viper 8k on halo infinite. I could be wrong but i would imagine higher polling rate helping with accuracy with large and fast movements say only a low sens player or 50cm360 or more. I dont have the tools to test to see where it would be an issue and if it would ever be an issue.

  • @Vune_GG
    @Vune_GG หลายเดือนก่อน

    Game feels slower to me when i use lower polling, i’ve had to switch mine a lot over the year because of fps issues, and every time i switched to higher polling rate i.e 250 polling to like 500 or 1000 my game felt super fast

  • @unremind
    @unremind หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you increase the polling rate, do you also need to change the sensitivity? I think it feels different and I always have to increase sens.

  • @aditchitale8017
    @aditchitale8017 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will there be a lighter weight version of the MZ1? I’d love to get one, but I’m used to like 30-40 gram mice at this point

  • @goose9067
    @goose9067 หลายเดือนก่อน

    on my op1 8k it feels very different. not smoothness wise but something is def diff. i honestly would just like to know why? it almost feels more accurate? only at really high speeds like flicks. i have a monster cpu so i can pretty much handle it on most titles.

  • @ALBERT-k4k3n
    @ALBERT-k4k3n หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about pooling rate on keyboards?

  • @SalTeeVee
    @SalTeeVee หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Honestly, I was one of those people who thought that higher polling rate is naturally better. I didn't really understand what it actually is but this vid is really informative and easy to understand. Honestly a great watch. I'll stick to my 1khz mouse

    • @TarenGarond
      @TarenGarond หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      1Hz?
      One update per second seems quite dang low... XD

    • @SalTeeVee
      @SalTeeVee หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TarenGarond Fixed! haha you're right

    • @TarenGarond
      @TarenGarond หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SalTeeVee For some twisted reason I now want to try Quake Live with 1 Hz polling rate...

    • @crossbow7398
      @crossbow7398 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's how the marketing gets you, "big number go up always good" XD

  • @SunyiMad
    @SunyiMad หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been sticking with 2K polling rate even though firmware updates came out for my mouse to support 4K and now 8K. At 2K I have no issues in games and battery life is great.

  • @playascap
    @playascap หลายเดือนก่อน

    I play on a 540hz monitor and increasing the polling rate to 2000 from 1000 makes the frames display evenly when flicking very fast which creates a clearer picture while in quick movements. This actually helps me to accurately aim at targets during quick movements. So i am able to perceive the difference and get benefits from it BUT i believe the only reason the difference displays on the monitor is because its a 540hz monitor. I also noticed that i only have to run 1 device at 2000 polling to get the benefits whether its my keyboard or mouse and the rest can be set at 1000polling. Just sharing my personal experiences and observations for more info, not debating.

    • @playascap
      @playascap หลายเดือนก่อน

      i actually set my keyboard to 2000hz and plug in the mouse wired at 1000hz. I believe using the mouse wireless has higher latency.

    • @playascap
      @playascap หลายเดือนก่อน

      i dont believe the frames showing more evenly is in my head because even on the desktop when i flick the mouse cursor, at 2000 polling it displays evenly but at 1000 hertz it displays inconsistent. This is translates to how my frames look during fast movements(flick shots). If my monitor wasn't 540hz i dont think i would see the difference.

  • @antonvertyporokh4631
    @antonvertyporokh4631 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To my mind, Xtrfy mz1 will be forever the best mouse. I am very glad to use this incredible mouse. This mouse became an asset to me, thank you Rocket Jump Ninja for your design

    • @antonvertyporokh4631
      @antonvertyporokh4631 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not like forever best, but it always will be in my heart

    • @RocketJumpNinja
      @RocketJumpNinja  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you like it! Yeah it'll always be special, my first design and all, but I'm working on a new design that I think can beat it... so we will see!

  • @justz9435
    @justz9435 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i bought a basilisk v3 pro recently. I've got it on permanent power saving mode.... can't tell the difference.

  • @killzonearmed
    @killzonearmed หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember going to micro center for trying to find a replcement for my G903 because i had used it till death (terrible double clicking issue on both buttons so even after swapping left and right click, it didnt help. Plus it was dying fast after the years i have had it), the person working there was trying to convince me that 2k polling rate was soo much better to go for and making it sound like its a need to play at a higher level. No, i told him 1k is completely fine to play with and wireless was fine too (also kept trying to doubt wireless was fine, even though i had used it for over 8 years with no issues). Im surprised marketing blinds people so much still till this day.

  • @Eliminator6363
    @Eliminator6363 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is what I've been saying since higher polling rates came out. Many people don't seem to understand just how fast 1ms is. The best way to tell if a higher polling rate is really making a difference is in a click reaction test. If you're consistently faster with 8k, sure, go for it. But you should only be less than a millisecond difference lol. If you're really looking to get smoother and more precise mouse inputs, raise your DPI a little and lower in game sens. That's raising the sensors' resolution, giving you finer control in game, actually a tangible difference that you can achieve on any mouse. I'm still loving how far gaming peripherals have come, especially wireless mice, but I'd never buy or recommend one on its polling rate.

  • @m3player
    @m3player หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Optimum has already made a video with these tests, and there is literally no difference between 1k and 8k, only your battery going down the drain, your video was also excellent btw

    • @amberow9892
      @amberow9892 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      People who say even 2k is an upgrade to 1k hz don't even know what hz even means. The difference is so insanely far beyond humanly recognizable, the neighbor's dog's wet farts are more relevant to your in games performance than your mouse having 8k hz polling rate.

    • @m3player
      @m3player 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@amberow9892 100%

  • @allencloud5342
    @allencloud5342 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can definitely tell the difference between 500hz and 1000 hz as the 1000hz is quite aggressive to response while the 500hz is a lot smoother, which makes it easier to track a static target while you are in motion
    So I did a test with 400 dpi and 8000hz (finalmouse) and the feel is both smooth and responsive. It's worth giving it a try =)

  • @nicolas4389
    @nicolas4389 หลายเดือนก่อน

    honesty is doesn't matter what type of hardware you have is important knowledge and skills

    • @JgHaverty
      @JgHaverty หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah lol; if I put shroud on a trackball mouse and a cheap keyboard; hes not going to play very well.

  • @SA-pg5yj
    @SA-pg5yj หลายเดือนก่อน

    so this is the same like rapid trigger keyboard? that has a faster input *0.001

  • @torr4334
    @torr4334 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely on-point!

  • @Dizzer1948
    @Dizzer1948 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Idk im still confused , i tried 4k polling rate and my tracking felt better and smoother both in game and in aim trainers , and i was hitting higher scores with 4k polling rate over 1k , tho yes in my main game i do lose around 20 fps avg

  • @Klaark
    @Klaark หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can tell you're the goat in a blind test.

  • @dylano6033
    @dylano6033 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only thing I like about higher polling rates, is that I feel they'll encourage companies to make more efficient mice. That way I'll have to charge even less than I do now at 1k polling rate.

  • @jumftw
    @jumftw หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you think of the endgame op1 8k? Considering it’s wired do you think that changes anything other than battery life?

  • @mourn_cs
    @mourn_cs หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:42 - The delay in tracking on the initial movement of this mouse is abysmal. I suspect ASUS doesn't have properly implemented 8000 hz, you should test this with an Endgame Gear mouse.