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In the UK a battery for a Porsche Taycan EV is £40,000 British pounds or AU$ 76,216 Australian dollars. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Far out…! That’s insane!!
It's all about the greater good.....
And I thought Tesla batteries at US$22,000 or so are expensive.
Yep... LOL !......@@hawkboy451
Tell 'em they're dreamin...
But is it going to be the EV owner’s paying for the massive increase in insurance . . . Or will our wonderful governments put pressure on to spread the risk across all vehicle owners?
you know the answer to that question already
Somebody else in the comment section pointed out that ICE car insurance will go up as cost of an accident with an EV will be expensive:-(
My money is on governments mandating that insurance companies spread the risk.
My insurance doubled this year. The rep said costs had gone up throughout the industry.
Just wait until they start taxing you by the mile. EV's don't buy gas or diesel so the government doesn't collect taxes to fix roads and build bridges with. The only solution to that problem is to start charging by the mile. Just another avenue for the government to control our movement.
I changed a engine in my neighbours corolla in 2007. Engine cost $350 AUD from the wrecker and the same in a new timing chain, filters, hoses, oil etc. It was a 1 day change over. She was elderly and couldn't afford much so it was great we could fix it so easily.
I replaced the engine in my daughter's 2015 Golf. It would have cost $10,000 for a new long block, but we opted for a salvaged engine at $6500. Some argued that it was too much for the car's value. They obviously didn't see the crazy car market prices in 2022! Sometimes, it's more economical to fix the car that you have. 😊
You have done the right thing boy! Save on costs instead of buying a brand new car engine you went for a old salvaged engine that costs like a part of your vehicle when you have bought it. But it's more than your IDV Value, it just made sense. You saved the hassle on nit buying a EV in the 1st place and take your vehicle in a fun ride.
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6500 for used engine?what kind vehicle?
@@jianbinchen8243 - It's right in the first sentence: 2015 Golf. That's a VW, if you are not aware.
If you have bought a Toyota you didn't need to replace the engine
This reinforces my realisation that anything the government thinks is a good idea (after some small research) turns out to be an absolutely terrible idea!
A bit of an exaggeration, but not by much
EV's are a great idea for the world government - because the end result is to remove your right to vehicle ownership.
If they could get rid of ICE's then the real cost of the rare elements will be imposed and then a EV car will cost 200K.
@iscadean > I thought in a capitalist society the market determined everything.
You might have forgotten about the subsidies to EV manufacturers and the tax incentives for consumers that made BEV into the barely-market-viable thing it is now, but I didn't. Really the only problem I have with BEV is how much tax money is handed out in corporate and upper middle class welfare to try to force BEV to happen before the tech is ready.
The environmental argument doesn't hold any water even if you buy the climate nonsense. With a BEV you still mostly just burn the fossil fuels somewhere else, and the efficiency of the plant is only 10-20% higher than a car engine, before factoring in transport and conversion losses.
@iscadeanMore like there is top down control that no western govt can ignore. They bust it out sometimes for important shit, I don’t know how good your memory is but you may recall Covid being complete bullshit and every western govt toed the line? There were even several African leaders assassinated for refusing to comply. If you want to know more find out about central banking and go from there.
Look what they did during the pandemic. Lockdowns, masks and even mandatory vaccinations of a junk experimental gene therapy. Yes, they conspired together.@iscadean
Ironically, speed bumps and kerbs are the biggest cause of battery floor damage. Most BEV’s have too little ground clearance.
EVERY time I see the new word for EV's BEVs it makes me think of the really old films that shows Coal minervillages and the wife with a tea clothe on their heads often called BEV or Mavis lol ALwys chatting about nothing and going Nowhere. Bit like BEV's lol
I've seen pictures of scrap yards moving cars round with fork lift trucks - could be an interesting 'experience' if they try that with a written off EV.
@@roberthuntley1090 structural batteries will bring a much higher risk when the vehicle reaches a breaker’s yard.
What garbage. Why would their clearance be different? Clown.
@@roberthuntley1090 They will introduce tighter controls sooner or later on who can even touch them. The days of having unskilled labor working for peanuts in salvage yards dealing with something so dangerous will come to an end.
We are a 6 figure income couple and had very little saved and not much cash lying around the preverbal".
'...don't have $500 for an
emergency" that was us. The big thing was debt all kinds of it, cars mortgage (although our home isn't a high price one), student loans for our kids, and of course credit cards.
One day we just got sick of being broke and went total scorched earth and became frugal overnight. Paid it all off, it took almost 5 years but now we have no debt and this year our savings rate is 50% on basically the same income that had us perpetually broke. So for us it is mainly staying out of debt and watching our spending, at first it was a real effort to save in our HISA and 401Ks but now it's actually fun watching our money grow. No car or vacation or neighborhood is worth being broke or financially unstable.
Congratulations on taking the steps necessary to get yourself out of the financial bind you were in.
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Samuel Peter Descovich that's whom I work with
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My childhood friend just had a similar quote from Mercedes on his 4 years old 140 000 km EQC, 45600.- eur to replace the battery. He asked what the 8year/160000 km warranty stands for then. Mercedes replied, warranty does not cover battery capacity degradation, there is no promise in the warranty booklet on the capacity. Since battery is not bricked, it just drives 150-200 km at best instead of 450 km brand new. Mercedes said he ruined it by using fast chargers too many times… My god this battery warranty is like Swiss cheese.
The warranty is 70% available after 8 years.
If the warranty doesn't cover the battery then it's because the manufacturer know it's not going to last
Stick to a competent EV manufacturer, hardware is nothing without the right software
There is a reason Tesla warranty the batteries for up to 70% over 8 years
Even if you abuse your battery in supercharged constantly drain it to zero and fill it to 100% it's still going to have 70% capacity after 8 years
However, if you don't do those things and only charge to 80%, then you're probably only going to have 5% degradation
Very easy for a Tesla original battery to our last and ice vehicle lifespan
It all comes down to using it right
@@elduderino7767 somehow Tesla gives same 8 year / 160 000 km warranty, stating up to 70% battery capacity remaining, but UP TO is the key. NOT BELOW 70% would be a warranty to recommend.
@@jevgeniardassov well you have to consider consumer battery abuse and neglect
guaranteeing at least 70% battery capacity is pretty good considering how badly batteries can be abused
it illustrates the self preserving mechanisms that tesla have built into battery management - the vast majority of which is unavailable from other manufacturers
so i am not surprised by stories like the one mentioned in this video, great hardware demands great software - if the later doesn't exist then there is no point spending big on hardware, it's money down the drain
I rebuilt my first engine in 1977(4cyl Nissan). I have rebuilt 15 engines. A man with avg mechanical can do it..an ICE engine can easily last 1million miles
You can imagine these damaged write offs getting into the wrong hands and end up back on the road. 😬
It won't be "Cut and shut" - it will be "Slash and burn " in the future .
That's already very difficult with an insurance write-off. However, with cars that call home to the manufacturer or authorities it will be all but impossible. Remote kill switches are also coming under the guise of protecting the public from drunk drivers.
@@erroneouscode Funny how they ALWAYS have an excuse for infringing on OUR liberty. Such people should not be in government in any capacity.
Thank you for exposing this world wide con job . 💕🕊.
People are incredibly gullible. First they believe the lie that using ICE cars is causing a planet disaster. Next they believe the lie that an electric car is the solution. Next they believe that electric cars are safe and effective, just like the jab which was also a lie. So many lies.
I’m happy to hear someone finally talking about the immense down side of EVs. I won’t be owning one anytime soon.
I physically couldn't get one if I did want one.
I'd literally have no way to charge it. I live in an apartment complex, I couldn't run a fucking cable from my apartment to my car if I parked it illegally!
And I've literally never seen any charging stations in my entire life. There's a gas station on just about every corner though. My current car is a massive piece of crap and I'm saving steadily to get a new one. But if someone offered me a brand spanking new Tesla for literally no cost, I'd laugh in their face.
I wouldn't say there's an immense downside, but there are practical limitations that people need to be aware of when buying one. @@haku8135 brings up a great point in this regard. Unless you live in a place where you can charge effectively and safely from home, don't buy one. If you have to rely on public chargers to charge your car, you will NOT save money versus a gas car.
so youre laughing at free 50.000 dollars. @@haku8135 just get a house if you have that much money lol
soon you wont have a choice. there are so many ways to make it extremely inconvenient to drive non electric. and they would implement all of them if electric cars themselves weren't their own worst enemy.
@THE16THPHANTOM no way it will be anytime soon. Maybe in 15-20 years, which is no way near anytime soon.
Good point. We have a year 2000 Honda Civic still in the family; with 346,000 km proudly on the clock and have never had to replace the engine,, but yes the 12Volt battery had to be replaced a few times :)
There' s One more thing to say: lithium battery are classified as DANGEROUS GOODS, so the lorry/van driver who transport them need to have a SPECIAL LICENSE FOR DANGEROUS GOODS, in Italy is called ADR. Is the same you need to transport petrol, explosive, chemical etc. But, if you drive and EV who carry THOUSENDS of battery no cops will ask you this license. I wonder why...
I drive a petrol car and have never been asked to produce a special license to transport the fuel in my tank. 😂
@@rhys6165 Yes, because your tank holds maybe 40 or 50 litres, well within the maximum capacity for licence free transport.
LM2596, the license has more to do with protecting emergency personnel who have to deal with these vehicles after crashes.
@@WS-vk5tg Well, the fact is that you can crash with a van or lorry transporting lithium battery , but you can crash also with your lithium battery powered EV car, so why you need a special ADR license in one case and nothing in the other...
@@laurocaramanico2596 It is obvious to the emergency person what they are dealing with in the case of cars, they need to have placards on transport vehicles to inform them of hazardous materials they can't see..
You will own nothing, and you won't be happy.
Are you looking down at your EV insurance bill in your thumbnail photo? Either way, you're looking down.
Least I have 2 million dollar double block in Kirrawee Australia 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@judechopper In matters of real-estate "I have" or "I own" usually means that "the bank" still has the upper-hand and there remains a hefty loan that needs to be paid off. It is a rhetorical question, but ...[cont'd on page 94]
@@IDGAF56852 That reminds me I recently was talking with someone who was roped in to provide counseling to people burnt-out due to recent bush-fires in SE Qld. Keep a grab-bag handy.
@@IDGAF56852 boss quote mate!!:)
There is another fellow up here in Canada recently (in the province of BC) who bought a NEW Ionic for $56K CAD. He ran over a piece of road debris and it caused some minor scratching to the battery's protective shield. He took it to the Hyundai dealer who said that damage voided the battery warranty and told the driver that the battery HAS to be changed for fear of explosion, fire etc... With tax and installation, it was over $60K to put a new battery in his new $56K car. He had no choice of course but to pass it on insurance and his rates will now be doubled for the next 10 years. All because of a little bit of scratching on the bottom of the car..... which is where EVERY EV's battery is.
As a dealer mechanic I've replaced several engines for various reasons. Most times if it is customer pay, we quote and end up using a "used" engine assy from a junk yard. It costs much less than 5k with our labor and additional parts if needed. Can you get a used battery from a junk yard?? Nope.
My worry is that insurance companies will start to push in cost of EV insuance on to owners of ICE vehicles.
Unfortunately if an ICE is at fault with an EV-ICE accident, the ICE insurance will have to pay. Since there are more EVs, the chance of an accident with one is higher.
Count on it...
I wasn’t talking about claims but I meant premiums with all the talk about the cost of insuring EVs.
"Of course! This will force people to pay more to drive freely, and thus restrict everyone's freedom while making everyone poorer and killing millions through that same poverty. Do you think we are stupid?" - a government thinktank member, this morning
So they bloody should
love your calm and considered delivery of the facts. The EVangilists always feel a need to yell to get their point across.
EVangilists ...great comment thanks !
I suspect it's a sense of embarrassment. Let's be honest, the main (and probably only) reason that they bought an EV wasn't to play their part for saving the environment, it was so they could go to the pub with their friends, look smug and partake in self-righteous conversations about how cheap their vehicles are to run: no road fund licence, 50 pence to do a thousand miles by charging at home. Now those cheap costs are becoming more and more expensive costs and so they have to shout down anyone who disparages an EV powered vehicle.
They have now hit the wall and probably feel like chumps who have fallen for a technology that has not been tested anywhere near enough for real world purposes.
@@vinbar35 Only reason BEV became affordable even to the fart huffing tech dork segment of the upper middle class is subsidies and tax incentives.
@@treelineresearch3387 Agreed but they are slowly being cut back so that, together with extortionate electricity costs, means the EV rose coloured glasses bought from Virtual Signalling R Us are beginning to lose their lustre somewhat.
@@vinbar35 I'm an EV owner and I'm not smug or embarrassed. Mainly I'm just much better off financially. My EV is £1800 a year cheaper to run than a fossil fuel powered car. Most of what you read here is hyperbolic sensationalism. I hate this subject has become so hate filled and tribal.
On the engine replacement question. We have a 2006 Toyota Sienna and due to some bad maintenance on my part if was critically low on engine oil. We got no warning and the engine seized. So, yeah, new engine. BUT -- The cost was only about US $3,500 for remanufactured engine. Not a bad deal at all.
Oh, one other thing. We still drive the nearly 19 year old Sienna today.
Thanks for your video. The engine in my Porsche 911 996 failed in 2012, just outside of the warranty period. The initial quote for replacement was ~$30K. At the time I was able to negotiate a better financial outcome by selling the car back to the Porsche dealer. I share your concerns with EVs, but thought I should share my experience.
I own a 1999 Citroen Saxo with 265,000 km. A couple of years ago I had to replace the head gasket and the chain drive. Apart from that, no other major issues. It still has its original clutch.
My Toyota SUV is at 400K original engine and autobox nothings ever gone wrong with it - it is a Japan made model though.
@iscadean Timing chain is specifically a wear item, and for the most part is not that hard to replace....unless it's German. On my Honda it's a hundred dollar part and a few hour job to do in the driveway, and like an hour for a mechanic to do. If your trans and transfer case is blowing up at 100k that's probably more a how you abuse it thing unless that generation is just particularly bad.
My 1968 Mercedes has done 800k on the original engine and manual box. Won't be giving it up for a Roman candle ev.
One car isn't a representative sample. Stop cluttering the thread will irrelevant points.
@@bunsw2070 One car is not, but tens of thousands in every corner of the earth is. The above examples represent many more, why not allow people to be proud of their machines that have stood the test of time and benefitted the environment in way no ev can?
If batteries did not go into thermal runaway they would be repaired, but no one is going to take risks with a 70kvh ticking time bomb. Which begs the question should mechanics work on the cars or army bomb disposal teams?
India sandal mechanics could repair it.
Life is cheap in India.@@kevinrice7635
@@kevinrice7635Rather, they *would* repair it. Just like they will “repair” damaged batteries.
The fundamental logic in the design of electric vehicles is safety. There are interlock mechanisms, insulation detection mechanisms, maintenance switches, and other features to ensure safety. Both drivers and passengers are protected from electric shock, and maintenance personnel are also safeguarded against electric shock.
You obviously haven’t seen an LPG or CNG vehicle fire…
20m fireballs are fairly common with parts thrown half a kilometre.
Excellent video; informative, clear and great voice.
Very scary facts. Thks for the heads up.
I've had to replace several engines in my ICE cars. For the 1990 Miata and 1995 Tercel, it was about $3500 (USD) each to have used engines installed. Five years ago, I had the engine in my 1986 Nissan D21pulled, rebuilt and reinstalled for $2500 (USD)
This is also ignoring the massive potential for abuse by companies. Everything on an EV is controlled by software, which is usually linked directly to the company. If they wanted to put in planned obsolesce into the car it wouldn't take much to have the batteries "die" right after the warranty. Much like many people accused Apple of ages ago when soon as a new Iphone came out suddenly all the old ones started to have battery issues, run slower etc...
wasnt accused they were caught
Yea it's not like a software company has never gotten people to buy new hardware through software updates. Oh wait Apple did this by slowing down their phones. And through pushing software updates that filled the hard drive of older perfectly functional phones with smaller hard drives so literally not a single app could be installed in order to update and maybe one or two apps could be installed after updating.
ICE is getting that treatment too along with locking in OEM parts (see John Deere products)
Fortunately, conventional cars with combustion engine use no software at all nowadays
@@Workaholic42 Oh it's a problem for sure but Ev's take the lead in this obviously. While a ICE car having kill switches in them these days, often able to be used by the police or other parties at will is bad enough (never mind potential hackers). Ev's tend to have a bigger issue of just downgraded performance and planned obsolescence.
Much like your Iphone battery suddenly refusing to charge and dying quickly after an update when the newest model comes out... Expect your EV battery to die fast after the warranty runs out. If you want to go a step further the software could lie to you, saying you have more range than you do up till that warranty expires.
Hence stories of cars saying they had 300+ miles of range one day and then 50 the next after the warranty expired.
I'm told EVs have much fewer moving parts than ICE cars so much less to go wrong. But 7000+ individual batteries equals 7000 potentially explosive failure points. Give me an old school ICE any day, no fancy electronics, just straight forward DIY repairable mechanical common sense.
Absolutely spot on..... I have 3 vehicles on the road, 2 are 17 years old and 1 is 54 years old.
I knew a bloke that had catastrophic engine failure in the outback and got towed into the nearest town in his 64 Chev by a Chevy towtruck. Timing gear failure, rod through cylinder and a general mess. The tow guy had a workshop and the two travellers were mechanics and drove away 3 days later in a V7 powered Impala. I will resist boring you with the details.
And those cells are often sealed with gunk like a washing machines circuit board. It's a throwaway part. There's no comparison to an engine and gearbox etc that can readily be dismantled and replace individual worn parts. When an engine goes it doesn't take the rest of the car with it.
The only advantage ICE has is no oil changes, no differential oil changes, and so on. EV batteries are a big problem.
"Moving part" is the magic words EV lovers adore. Too bad a part doesn't need to move to fail.
Thanks for these vids. It's fantastic to hear someone telling it like it really is about Evs with the straight up facts. Keep 'em coming! Subbed.
I had a 94 eagle talon and popped the timing belt. It was a 16 valve zero clearance motor. It cost 1700 to do the timing belt and the valves. I put 55000 miles on it afterwards and drove it back and forth from Florida to New York.
Recently saw a video of a Rivian pickup with cosmetic damage to a side panel near the tailgate. The quoted repair cost was US$42,000. There 's also the US$5,600 bill for replacing a damaged Ford Lightning taillight. I'll stick with ICE vehicles, thanks.
Just to be clear, the $5600 Ford tail lights are across the entire F150 line. After watching the video, I went out to my 2017 2.7t version, pulled both tail lights, drilled 2 small holes in each lens and schmeered dielectric grease on all the connectors.
Edit: I drilled the holes in the bottoms of the tail lights to facilitate any water intrusion having the ability to leak out.
Seems repairs cost 10 to 15 times more to repair in amazing EV technology.
Most common cars have pieces where u can remove to repair/replace. Rivian choose to make panels in large peices.
That Ford wasn't an EV. All modern cars are getting ridiculous. My wife's headlight required the front bumper cover to be removed on her Lexus. A $300 job for a headlight..
@@ohger1what car doesnt? Even my old honda civic from the 90s required front bumper removed to replace.
It would not surprise me if car makers, like others, also have a countdown clock in the batteries when they are supposed to stop working...
Of course they do.
Via good ol’ microchips!
Like the HP inkjet printer 🖨 cartridge scam.
The technology is there to do it if they want. The charge cycles in power tool batteries is internally stored nowadays.
They don't need to plan obsolescence into battery life spans, it occurs naturally. Even with solar systems, that store power in batteries ,their is a limited shelf life
I got three years out of a deep cycle battery ,at $300 per unit they're not cheap.😢
Fair video, one of the other major issues with EV driving cost is the fact that Manufactures are trying to control access to repair parts making it incredibly difficult for independent 3rd party repair shops to gain access to the parts, knowledge and tools to be able too effectively service these vehicles. This is the EV manufactures trying to control the parts supply and repair pipeline similar to how John Deer and other consumer electronics manufactures have basically exclusive repair rights to their products. As a result it is hard to find independent repair shops that can work on EV's and often time their repair timelines are much longer than taking it to the dealership resulting in much more expensive repairs due to lack of competition.
Even if you did find independent shops,
“Damages or failures caused by maintenance or repairs performed by non-Tesla certified technicians are not covered by the warranty”
I pay insurance around 1500 pounds per year, a wire fix costed 87 pounds in a dealer approved garage.
I have never had to replace an engine but I did have to replace my 2006 Prius battery for $2500 in about 2018. I think it’s a nickel metal hydride. Still got my Prius and running well at 200000km . Had my catalytic converter stolen in 2021. Never buying an EV or hybrid again.
NiMh batteries are safe, and much lower voltage than Li EV batteries. Not comparable at all.
All modern petrol cars have catalytic converters, and theft is common because of the rare metals they contain.
@@xpictos777 The Prius he speaks of has an ICE engine because it's a hybrid, hence the catalytic converter. Ever heard of looking stuff up in Google?
why? didn't prious gave you good driving life for not too much cost?
only car i have ever had that had a "reconditioned" engine already fitted was a 1956 land rover i bought around 2005 that engine was still going strong when i sold it in 2021
Absolutely. The less Lithium battery you are hauling round, the better. A compelling solution is the new Mazda MX30 R whichhas a rotary engine as a range extender and do reduces the traction to half the size of the full EV version. Battery packs are repairable but its protracted and involves big surgery
the R-EV has better launch time to 100km/h. R-EV version is still an EV car, small ICE just able to recharge the battery pack.
If the traction is really half then I guess it depends on the mode selection.
Thanks a lot for your revealing video and I just also read about Hertz company story of selling out 20000 Tesla cars from their fleet, it is highly probable we need to consider thrice before we get into the ev-wagon. Thanks and regards,
Except higher insurance costs will be passed on to ALL vehicle EV and ICE
Yes. Insurance for all cars is increased because at least part of the premium is to cover damage to another persons car if the insured driver is deemed at fault. Both comprehensive and third party property insurance has to cover damage to other people’s EVs. The greater the proportion of EVs on the road, the greater the risk of damaging one and the greater the average payout.
This can only happen by a change in the law. Insurance underwriters need business so will do all possible to insure the car according to its individual specifications and trace record, due to the competitive nature of the business.
Also higher purchase prices on ICE Vehicles to subsidize the costs of EV's
If an ICE vehicle gets in a fender bender, scrape, whatnot the engine will almost never need replacing. It may need a quarter panel, fender, bumper..... but not a $20,000 battery.
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@@MeaHeaR Yes, you are correct, whatever that was.
Very good points, thank you. In an older ICE car you never put a new engine, certainly not if it is a popular model. Good engines can be found for reasonable prices. On average you will be able to replace a worn engine by a used one for around 3000 EUR (I'm from Europe)... Back in the day I swapped the engine in VW Beetle for another one. If you know the Beetle you know this swap is pretty easy. I bought a complete engine for around 125 EUR. And it took me half a day to fit it. Seriously. Those were the days 🙂.
with an old car with an old engine replacement you old gain several years of use on a shitty car. On a new EV you get the same performance and life expectancy as if new.
@@georgesbv1 my old car is very wellicht maintained and far from shitty. Your commentaar is pure BS.
Yeah ... having owned a number of laptops over the past 3 decades I can tell you the part that ALWAYS fails first. Thankfully I was never too far away from a socket to have to rely on the battery.
I’m glad you said this. I’ve always bought cars with decent ground clearance, in case of road debris like exhausts, bits of tyre, dead animals, bricks, bits of tree and other random stuff. Curbs and ramps also need consideration. These electric cars have their most vulnerable and expensive - and potentially dangerous - component slung very close to the road. No thank you.
As someone who drives older ICE cars, I'll add another of their advantages-their modest market values compared to a shop repair for the body work. When I've got into an accident with the other guy at fault, his insurance totaled my car even though it was perfectly safe to drive. I was paid $2200 and spent about $200 restoring the body to the previous condition. Being an ICE, there was no expensive battery needing replacing.
That is one of the several reasons I'll never buy an EV.
Very true! Been there, done that too!
I bought a used '72 Mustang in 1975. A year or 2 later the engine blew up on the highway. That was my only engine replacement in a car. Since then I drove a used 77 Toyota for 5 years which barely ran, then drove a new '91 Acura Integra for 14 years, and still on my '05 MDX after 18 years and still going strong.
You are only saying that because you know how to fix your equipment or have deep pockets to have someone do it for you.
@@MRMINKS-ks5sm BS.
My 1973 Mustang Mach One is still going strong. 50 years old still has all it's range!
@@TheBandit7613 Sweet! I sort of wish I still had my Mustang, but as a 1st car I had no ability to maintain it to such a degree to last 50 years. Plus it got beat to death from accidents. 1973 was the last nice looking mustang - the design went to sh*t in 74, then they revived the old style in the 80's or 90's.
Thanks for making this video. We need to know both sides of the story.
Mate had his Tesla hit first day of ownership.. 8 month wait for repairs
Always a " mate"
The battery cost more than a complete new combustion engine so less moving parts means nothing and here in the uk one insurance company has refused too insure EVS
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Among my friends, I've had at least three of them: a radiator leak and therefore head deformation, one because of timing chain failure, and a head gasket coolant leak all on not-so-old cars around 100k.
Other reasons often are:
1. Overheating: Excessive heat can cause engine components to warp, crack, or fail. This may be due to a malfunctioning cooling system, low coolant levels, a faulty thermostat, or other issues.
2. Lack of Lubrication: Insufficient or contaminated lubrication can lead to increased friction and wear on engine parts, eventually causing catastrophic failure. This can be caused by low oil levels, dirty oil, or oil pump failure.
3. Timing Belt or Chain Failure: A broken timing belt or chain can cause the synchronization between the engine's components to fail, leading to severe damage to valves, pistons, and other vital components.
4. Cylinder Head Gasket Failure: A blown head gasket can result in coolant leaks, overheating, and contamination of the engine oil, leading to catastrophic failure.
5. Piston Ring or Cylinder Wall Damage: Poor lubrication, overheating, or contaminants in the oil can cause excessive wear on piston rings and cylinder walls, leading to loss of compression and catastrophic failure.
6. Engine Knock/Detonation: Persistent knocking or detonation can damage pistons, connecting rods, and other components, resulting in catastrophic failure. It may be caused by poor fuel quality, incorrect ignition timing, or other factors.
I bought a new model 3 in 2019, I sold it three years later at 80,000 miles in part because I was afraid the battery might fail after the 100,000 mile warranty.
Did you get another EV afterward?
@@BradKwfc I have not. Maybe in the future. The iron phosphate batteries look promising as worrying about degradation was not fun.
I just checked the premium for a model 3 in Au the cheapest was over $2600 p.a
That's actually insane. Surely this negates the savings from not having to use petrol or diesel for the life of the vehicle.
My EV insurance in aus is $1200...
Now have a look at the depreciation on a 3 year old Model 3. It makes the insurance premium look cheap.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Cheapest I can see in Australia is 39k private for a 2019 with 84k?
Yeah ice cars are dearer to insure.
Please enlighten this son of a mechanical engineer costs 2600 per annum
Well take this from an ex courier driver
In one year at 160000 Klm my LDV cost me the better part of $ 50000 to keep on the road
$ 7000 for turbo
$ 8000 for timing fix
$ 3000 for EG valve
$ 500 for power steering
Plus $ 7000 dollars each time for renting a another vehicle
Don't try to tell a combustion engine is cheaper than an EV because I have been there unlike the morons
EV are new there will always be problems but the main problem is having them produced in china
China doesn't have any quality control so that's why the batteries exploded
Once they seal them up nobody has any idea what the hell the chinese put in them
I have a 2003 105 Landcruiser with 630,000 klm, with the reliable old 1HZ diesel engine. It does not use any oil and runs just as reliably as when I purchased it at 420,000 klm for 8k. Why would I change to any other vehicle? And it only takes 5 minutes to put 134 litres in it good for over 1000 klms.
I had a 94 1hz for 5 years and it was an absolute money pit in diesel costs alone, let alone the new gearbox and rust repairs.
@@tomkimber9072 Yes, the 105 coming from the Pilbara, I agree rust has been a bit of a thing, but I have never had any issues with the drivetrain except for a crack in the rear diff. One hour with a welder and grinder and as good as new. I do drive like nanna though!
@@damienmilk6309 oh mate I was getting tailgated by nannas with my 1hz troopy!
@@tomkimber9072 Yep, not fast, but ultra-reliable. But what was needed in the North West of WA.
Engine Replaced: I replaced the engine on a 2002 Olds Alero with an interference engine, after 151,000 miles, due to a break in the timing chain. I bought a good used engine, which was cheaper than repairing the damaged engine.
My brother ev has minor accident where the car hit from behind at 10 miles per hour. There is just minor dent in the back. But when he claimed for insurance, they told that car is totalled as the frame bent little bit and hit the battery. Its just a mith calling EVs needs less maintenance and less hassle because of less moving parts. The battery is the full value of you car. Even it has minor damage, you can’t fix it.
The future of evs, any sort of accident or mechanical repair of the vehicle is going to cost big bucks, and insurance costs will blow out. Only the rich will be able to afford and run these types of vehicles.
I had to replace an engine in my Ford Laser TX3 in the late 1990s after it had done over 250,000km. The cost surprised me - pleasantly. A reconditioned 'as new' 2 litre engine was replaced for just under $900 - equivalent to about $1750 today. The cost was recoverable since it boosted the re-sale value of the Laser which went on to lead a happy second life.
Thanks for enlightening all of us on this very important issue of owning EVs.
4:25 Being in the business I can assure you engine or transmission failure is the #1 reason for scrapping a car. Rot is second where I live.
We had a remanufactured 6 cylinder Jeep engine installed the total cost was $8,000. This included the testing of the old engine and putting the external parts on the new engine, such as the power steering, alternator, air cleaner, ac unit and etc. This also included engine oil, antifreeze, and charging the air conditioning and making sure it was ready for the road.
Shouldn't of bought a jeep, junk
@@ginaorsini3312 The pre-2007 Jeeps are good Jeeps. I've owned 2 of them. The first I bought new in 2006 and drove it 8 years and 90k miles. The only non-wearable part that broke was a $15 cable. My current Jeep is almost 30 years old and only costs me an average of $100/month in maintenance and repairs. They are known for lasting 250k miles plus.
@@ginaorsini3312 Better than buying a EV literally money/ death trap. Those battery fires are no joke you cannot put them out.
A long block for an ice car is cheap as chips compared to this
4:43 - to add to this, engines not only fail extremely rarely as you said, but even then it is mostly preventable failures, usually in form for neglect, simple things like not replacing oil, or another common one - not replacing leaking water-pump in time and causing overheating.
Yes there are some bad engine designs, but usually we know what they are, they get extended warranties, they get subsidised repairs, but even when they fail they don't cost as much as batteries to replace. For example one of bad designs I am familiar with is Lexus/Toyota 2AD-FHV, this is the engine found in Lexus IS220d and they just blow all the time, this is particularly interesting example as most people buy Lexus/Toyota for their reliability, but if one doesn't do research they are in for nasty surprise with this one (that being said Lexus extended warranty to 160,000 miles for these engines in particular). But the engine costs £600-800... still it usually totals the car, because complete job is £1500-£2000 and these cars nowadays are only worth that much, but it isn't £50,000 job for sure, so this is more of a matter of worthless car... yet battery faults can write off even £15,000 or £20,000 worth car and that is the biggest worry. If you have to write off £2000 worth car and then you probably get £700 for scrapping it, that is not big deal, but if you bought £20,000 worth used BEV and few years later you have to write it off that is big deal. Obviously, this sort of worries are for second hand market, but that is why BEVs don't really have good second-hand market, they are just too much of a risk.
Normal cars usually have few stages in their life - 1st - brand new sold on lease or finance for 3-5 years, 2nd - (this is where I prefer to buy) sold at huge discount (usually 60%) with 20-30k miles and used for another 3-5 years, 3rd - now with ~60k miles and 6-8 years cars become accessible to most of society with maybe 80% discount and are used until they fail, 4th - finally, most of the cars by now fail, but some brands and models are still very viable (Honda, Toyota, Lexus) here is where you can pick-up cars for £2000 and they usually have 100k+ miles, perhaps 10 years+... and this is very important from environment perspective, this means each car is reused at least 3-4 times, the resources put into making them is fully consumed and only then the car is scrapped. With BEVs only 2 steps exist, by the time they get to step 3, they are just too much risk and nobody wants them, this is particularly bad, because that is the step when most of society can access the car, meaning until this is resolved there will be no wide-spread adoption. Remember by step 3 car still maintains 40% of it's original price, so that is likely to be £20,000 for BEV (as they are more expensive to begin with) and reality is that nobody is willing to pay £20,000 for 6-8 years old BEVs.
I've never had to replace a complete engine. I once owned a ford Orion 16i Ghia. I only paid £75 for the car and I had that rebored and fitted new pistons, (did the job myself) Total cost in parts and labour was £125 from Elmsliegh Engineering in Thundersley, Essex.
Thanks for being EV Realist.....
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for doing such forensic analyses on EVs. I was tempted to buy a Hybrid in January 2023 well before becoming aware of all the issues about EVs in general, but bought the ICE version instead because of the ridiculous price of the Hybrid versus the ICE version, and I'm glad I stayed with the mature technology. Cheers!
Here in Tunisia where our climate is almost identical to yours in Australia EVs are still starting so it is good to get a realistic view and not a religious dogma.
It is worse than you are saying. A minor "fender-bender" on a Tesla that doesn't even involve the battery will cost thousands of dollars to repair. I saw this when a Tesla was being used by a Car Magazine for testing battery range and the author accidentally backed into the garage door frame at low speed. The damage was barely noticeable but the repair cost $14,000. This type of repair in almost any ICE car would have been under one thousand dollars but the problem with the Tesla had something to do with the way the frame is designed and manufactured making it nearly unrepairble.
I believe it’s the gigacasting technique. It reduces production costs but makes the car very expensive to repair.
I just recently bought a new replacement crate engine from GM for a 2006 Chevy Impala SS I'm restoring. I didn't have to replace the old engine because it was still in good running condition, but it had mileage on it and I wanted a new one for the restored car. It is an all aluminum 5.3L V8, exact OEM replacement crate engine, and is a "long block" configuration which is complete with cylinder heads, valve covers, oil pan, and only needs the intake and ignition coils to be complete. It cost $4000 US after core exchange. I will be doing the installation, but if I had to pay for installation I would estimate that might add $1500 to $2000 to the total cost. So if I were to drop the car off at a dealer and have them replace the engine I would expect to have the entire job covered for no more than $6000.
For 15 to 20 grand, I could hire a custom engine builder to make me a very nice high performance engine for my 1968 Camaro I will restore someday. For 50 grand I could buy one hell of a no-compromise shoot-the-works full race engine. Some people might even think 4 grand to re-power my Impala is a little extravagant, but there is no way I would spend 50 grand, or even 10 grand to re-power a Hyundai
of any model.
Absolutely correct. Enjoy!
Wow what a bargain
Drove yesterday down Charlotte Ave in Nashville…a not so prestige street..noticed an unmarked lot with a dozen teslas…all the same size…and no obvious exterior damage w a quick drive by look. They were not charging. BTW, the former owner of my ‘99 XJ8 VDP had let her run out of oil. She was 6 years old. He had the Jaguar V8 engine replaced and sold her….happily to me. She’s my primary vehicle.
So much to unpack:
-If your battery pack is not in stock/out of production, your car is scrap. You can pull out an 40 year old ICE-Car out of a barn and still get parts or you can get them manufactured for less then the cost of a battery.
-Even IF you have to replace an engine, you pay way less for an ICE-Engine that is perfecty refurbished than a battery. For less than 5000€ you can get many normal engines replaced, included with replacement part, man hours and shop time.
-If only a SINGLE part of the battery pack production is missing a single component, you don´t get a spare part. The Battery plant is missing a shipment of 3€-thermal sensors because china stops the exports? you can wait months before production starts again.
We have the same problems with EV´s that we had with powertools back in the days. Every company builds their own stuff, and the moment something better comes allong, the old stuff is phased out. I can remember the time i had 3 or four perfectly good drills in my shop, but the battery packs were burned out and i could not get replacement packs. And it is ironic that a car pack is basicly filled with the same cells than a drill battery now.
One thing that I would like to add is the liability a repair shop would have in a traction batt repair. If you take your car to a shop for an engine replacement they will give you some sort of a warranty. If the engine fails the shop will have to replace the engine or repair it. The likelihood that the engine will destroy the car or anything is extremely low. But a tarction batt on the other hand,,, well just one bad connection could burn the car and anything else around it. That is a huge liability, and many shops will not want to take that on. Like I have said here before a Tesla long range batt has 7000 cell at 2 connection per cell, that is 14,000 modes of failure, and all it take is one bad connection!
If the OEM of the car considers the battery a non serviceable part then anyone disassembling a battery pack in order to repair it is on shaky ground anyway. The average small business is not going to have the financial resources behind it to cope with possible litigation if there's a fatality due to non compliance or incompetence. Governments live for making new laws and regulations, and lawyers and the courts rub their hands together in anticipation of a payday. It's still early days.
A relative in the Vancouver, Canada area bought a Tesla. While backing out of a parking stall at a shopping centre, she had a minor collision with a guy driving down the lane. Both cars had tiny dent or scratch. The other guy being a turd, insisted that the incident be reported to the insurer. My relative told her Agent that she would pay for the damage, rather than the insurer. She was told to take the car to a specialized body shop. A day later they told her the repair estimate was $20K CAD. The actual body repair was $500.00. The rest was for checking the battery pack. No repairs needed. $19,500K just to complete the safety check.
So profits will still be made, and the only real result is less freedom of movement for the slaves who don't know they are slaves.
A complete new Tesla battery pack is $20,000…
I'm not buying what you are selling...
$19.5k to check a battery?
You should try using more believable numbers when you make stories up...
@@billymacktexasdetective5827 You don't need to buy anything because google is free.
The only time i had to replace the engine is when the oil drain plug fell out on the freeway at some point and the check oil light didnt come on until my engine temp was already in the red. It was an old 2000 Hyundai. Used engine replacement was 6G while a rebuild was 4G
I changed an engine once (Long Block). I purchased a used full size Ford Econoliner Van perhaps 2 decades ago. It had not been properly maintained and it was obvious that the engine was worn out (it ate oil, and very poor gas mileage. Compression readings were very bad so it was more than a case of valve seals - which I had personally replaced myself once on a 1983 Escort GT once).
It cost me about $3500 US to have a premium rebuilt long block engine replacement done at my local shop that routinely changes engines in older vehicles. That would probably be closer to $4500-$5000 today. I also ended up rebuilding the transmission a year later.
My current car is a 2009 Hyundai Sonata with 300,000+ miles on it. I'd change engines in a heartbeat vs buying a replacement car if the engine died given the condition of the rest of the car.
I wait for the reports of the first EV dumped because it is too expensive to send it to the junk-yard, but I maybe already be behind the times as usual.
If people can't repair them, then there's little need for spare parts either
Too dangerous for the scrap yard to accept - aside from the obvious fire risk, who would want to work parting-out anything attached to 400-800v DC ?
@@xraylife people would.
. Carefully... But if they're being junked after 5 years, there won't be much point
@@xraylifeThe batteries are isolated from the vehicle with an internal circuit breaker. Its impossible to get a shock if the ignition is off. The battery has to have an external signal to connect to the outside. Its failsafe.
@@petewright4640 Its not failsafe when the car is being stripped by unskilled workers.
Great channel!
I'm a coder and database designer and I see this type of issue with complex systems over and over again.
People say something like: "prototype me this system, collecting data from 10 sensors and display the data in a portal". Pretty straightforward.
Then they will go "right we have the approval, let's scale it up to 100k sensors, ready next week?"
The transition from prototyping (Tesla, etc.) to mass usage (all the rest coming in) is super complex.
People fail to understand the vast array of supporting structures that have to be in place all the way along the lifecycle of the vehicle.
They only think about the visible bit, not the foundations.
As the man said, in America, “Facts are stupid things”.
Most of Tesla's tech is given to them by DARPA anyway.
My father had to replace engine in his salon bought Skoda Octavia after 5,1 year (so just after guarantee), but solon took the car and sent it to manufacture. They said that this was production failure and that in this 5 years he "used" 10% of it and he just have to pay 10% for new one, so all in all he got nice deal. It's been driving to this day, around 16-17 years now, with no problem.
Excellent explanation of replacing engine/transmission components of ICE vehicles.
Any EV insurance increase will be spread over all vehicles, government will make this law
It will go up for non-EV anyway as the insurance company have to factor in the potential cost if you damage an EV.
I guess that's why the insurance premium on my Peugeot Partner Van (ice) has increased by £142 a year@@adventtrooper
It's already being shared.
@@adventtrooper hadn't thought of that :-(
I have three ICE vehicles and one of which is a Volkswagen Polo GTi which I bought with a relatively low 115,000K's but the engine had very serious issues that needed replacement or reconditioning. I decided to rebuild the engine myself. I was a motor mechanic over 30 years ago so it was just a matter of dusting off the tools and putting that hat on again to get the work done. All the machining of head-valves, block, crank, balancing was around $2000 and parts to replace literally everything was an additional $2400. So for under $5000 I returned that car mechanically to new condition. I could have got a secondhand engine from a wreckers for less than half that price but then the car wouldn't have been matching numbers original. People are NEVER going to be in a position to do that with EV's. They're a disposable throw away vehicle and a traction battery replacement with rare exceptions will always be priced where they're uneconomical and very dangerous to repair. Expect regulations sooner or later where there's very tight controls on the salvage and resale of second hand EV batteries. Take a hint.. they don't want you fixing them.
My father and I did replace the transmission in his 1964 MG B.
First gear was worn out, we could have taken it apart and gotten the worn components replaced. However only specialist shops on the other side of the continent were willing to do the work, factoring in shipping it was too much money. So instead we bought a Mazda Miata transmission and bolted that in, only other thing we changed was the engine mounts and it bolted right on. Saved a few hundred bucks.
But it was not an essential repair, we absolutely COULD have gotten it repaired and used the original transmisison. In fact when I sold the vehicle after his passing the new guy actually took the old transmission with it because he figured he could repair it some day.
I have a 20-year old SAAB. Two years ago the timing chain went and my mechanic suggested that a 'new' (i.e reconditioned second-hand) engine be put in. The total cost was $6000 which was a helluva lot cheaper than a new car, or a new EV battery.
Over 30+ years and many many ICE vehicles (both cars and motorcycles), I’ve never had to replace an engine. I did have one motorbike that seized the big end, but I got a new crankshaft, some bearings and piston rods and voila - all done and it cost way less than the bike was worth - so, economically speaking it was worth doing.
What frequently makes ICE engines uneconomical to recondition or replace is the labor rate. People out in the wild with any sort of manual labor skill sets willing to have a go themselves to save costs is increasingly rarer. Thanks to the modern electronics it's also very complex.
@@erroneouscode What's making ICE vehicles increasingly *economical* to overhaul is the staggering price of new vehicles. When the cheapest shitbox on the KIa lot is over $25k it makes a LOT more sense to dump $5000 into your paid off Honda for an overhaul that will take you another 200k. I recently bought a 20 year old high miles (literally almost been to the moon and back) diesel truck with the full expectation I might eventually need to pay someone $15k to overhaul it, and even if I do I'm still all-in for less than HALF of an equivalent current generation diesel truck - and it has a straight pipe out the back with no DPF nonsense.
What makes ICE engines unrepairable is the combination of fires and aluminium blocks (although polymer intake manifolds come a close second).
Replaced seized engine in my 2007 Lexus IS350 for $3000 CAD for used engine with 75k kms.
I guess any shop that takes an EV in for any sort of repair will want to have a close look at the under floor, to see if it’s had any contact. Just thinking of how snowy and icy our streets can be sometimes, not too unusual to see a car high centered on a median, potentially fatal for n EV.
"... potentially fatal for n EV."
Indeed. Not to mention anyone riding in it at the time.
The gigacasting now with Tesla makes the battery system replacement nearly impossible. Enjoy your disposal cell phone and EV to boot
Earlier this year, Kia replaced our 2014 Sorento engine under warranty with 148k miles. Yes, I was shocked. I think a replacement engine is about $10k USD.
Taxi driver in the states had the same outcome with a tesla battery, it declined rapidly at 160000km so the range and expense was to cost more than a regular ice car in the end
I worked for Auxillis for a while. A customer had a hire car for 6 months. The hire of that vehicle came to over £40000, because their Tesla had taken so long to repair! That 40k was in basic hire costs, didn't include other charges and vat. So that's how such things can affect everyone
If you owned a panel beater shop and an EV rolled in with even a minor love bump, surely you can't store it at your shop, given the O.H&S requirements.
No you’re right you couldn’t.
I wouldn't do it, because paint and body shops deal with hazardous and flammable substances. An EV fire would grow into nightmarish proportions when all the paints and chemicals catch light.
Had to replace 1 engine in a hyundia, it was after the warrenty was up but they still covered the cost of the new engine, work and rental because it was a issue that occasionally presented itself in cold weather areas.
Beyond that none of the cars I owned every needed an engine replaced
I had a new engine once, it was a large holden rodeo. about 3k plus allot of labour to change it. expansive but not 50k.
How does EV battery swaps effect this though ? The chinese NIO cars can be bought without batterys then you subscribe to a plan (per month) for battery swap subscription, if you did hit the battery you could maybe swap it.
After my mini engine failed I got an engine from a scrapyard and refurbished it (with the help of a friend, because I was clueless). I also bought a recon engine for a Vauxhall Viva, but both these were 40 years or more ago. You could get a gold plated engine for the cost of an EV battery.
Many replacement engines for ICE vehicles are sourced from accident damaged vehicles.
This large source of used spares is not available for EVs.
@@regbarnard2866 and likely never will be.
@@regbarnard2866An excellent point.
50 grand is like 20 rebuilt Honda K series motors, or two or three performance built 7.3PS or 5.9 Cummins diesels.
In the UK, insurance companies are already putting ALL insurance premiums up, so even those of us with ICE vehicles are effectively paying for EV insurance. My brother's renewal for his 2011 VW Passat 2.0 diesel went from around £450 (AUS$860) to almost £800 (AUS$1,530), with the excuse being the usual "all the premiums are going up". Full NCD, clean licence and less than 5,000 miles (8,000k) per year. The insurance companies are raking in the premiums so they can afford to pay out when the EVs go up in smoke. I'm dreading getting my renewal quote.
Years ago bought a '99 Dodge half ton 4×4 w/ 50k light use miles. Crank broke at 100k (bad factory parts) Replaced it with a used low miles engine from wrecking yard for $1800.00 total cost. I junked truck to a dismantler who paid me $400 for it then he sold everything good on it for others to use after I put 331k on it in total. Longevity AND recyclable parts can't be overstated!
Where I live the biggest car problem is rust and suspension wear from rough roads. Most vehicles reach their end of life while the engines are still good but the body is rusted away and the suspension and frame is beat to a snot.
my last cars engine had 350,000 miles on it when I sold it and It was still running as well as when it was new. I still miss that car, but after 18 years I thought I needed something new.
Your video's are so clear, short and very informative. I wish all EV presenters were as succinct as MGUY is.
I've owned approx 15 cars. I've had 5 motor failures. These (and their remedies) were: 1 motor swap (Mazda Rx3 10A - 12A after water seal failure) and 4 rebuilds (Alfasud after snapping connecting rod, Mazda Rx7 13B after apex seal failure, Ford Falcon after very low oil pressure, Subaru B4 after piston skirt sheared off - under warranty). The costs were typically NZ$2000-$3000 ($0 for the Subaru).
I bought all of these cars 2nd hand - so in some cases the rebuild/swap cost was similar to the value of the vehicle, but because the overall cost was so low, it did not matter too much if I had the cost/benefit calculus 100% correct, I ended up with a vehicle that I could drive for several (perhaps many) more years.
Looking at the list, it looks like I kill cars! I think most of the failures were simply due to age related wear and tear (buying used performance cars that have likely been thrashed previously). However in the Alfasud case it was all me - over revved overtaking up a hill and bang!.
This video highlights to me the totally different risk calculation involved with buying a used EV! In the cases above if the repair cost had been of the order of a *new* version of the car I would have had to scrap them...
My in-laws bought hybrids before they were cool. A Prius and a Honda Insight. Both were deemed total losses after minor accidents, due to the cost of battery replacement
you gave no details about what was the car value prior to the events. A 15-year old average car of course has almost no value in it if you have to change an expensive part. If you add in some bumper and a paint job of course it exceeds the insured value.
@@georgesbv1 both vehicles less than 5 years old if memory serves. Incident with the Insight happened a long time ago, probably 2003. Incident with the Prius perhaps 2010. Body damage minor in both cases.
I have replaced several motors over the years. You are right though. All of them could have been disassembled and repaired somewhat easily. It was just simply less expensive, easier and faster to buy a motor from the junkyard and slam it in every case. A lot of cars you can do a one for one swap in a day or two. Dealing with machine shops on the other hand is much more complicated.
My missus totalled her ICE car by hitting a pothole. It bottomed out on the engine sump and smashed the block and gearbox housing.
It probably could have been repaired, but insurance wrote it off.
The pot hole was... bad.
Time for a new Missus?
Had to get a rebuilt engine for my 84 Honda Prelude. It was not winterized and I bought it on the west coast. Car was 12 years old.
I used to want a Tesla model S, but a Russian TH-camr changed my mind about that. He’s the guy that had a Tesla model S that was about 10 years old and they wanted $22,000 to replace the battery pack. Instead of doing that he packed the car full of dynamite and blew it up. After that I just went and bought a car that I’ve always wanted an Audi a8. It had about 119,000 miles on it when I bought it and I put 60,000 on it before the engine was leaking oil from three different places. I eventually decided to stop driving it and I am going to replace the engine. I have to say, though it is only going to cost me $10,000 for a new engine and about $2000 to have it installed. That’s a hell of a lot less than $50,000. I love this car and it’s never going to a scrap yard unless i total it in a crash.😊
.....damned Russians....foiled again
Yep - 40 or so cars since I started driving (1978) and never needed a new engine. We need to campaign that EV repair costs through insurance are not smeared across all insurance policies - I don't want to pay for EV repairs, although I suspect it's already happening (in UK anyway) - my insurance rose by an eye watering 57% this year despite no increase in my risk (no accidents, convictions or claims - just a year older!).