Now is definitely NOT the time to be buying a car. Average car cost $47K?! That's insane! Check your ego at the door - you need a vehicle to get back and forth to work, not to impress anyone. An auto finance rate of 7%+ is an insult to anyone with excellent credit. No thanks. Those new cars can sit on the lot and rot away for all I care.
The best course of action is to ask a consultant or investing coach for guidance or assistance on purchasing a car. Speaking with a consultant helped me acquire my car effortlessly using the best plan available without affecting my portfolio.
My petrol car insurance premium has almost doubled this time from £226 last year to £378 this year. I don't believe it's because of availability of parts or "the Ukraine war" but most likely to crawl back the costs of the EV insurance claims.
Because of Covid, the Ukranian war, Joe public is repeatedly told that everything will cost more, and so has come to expect it. The Insurance companies, like everyone else, is using the situation to rip us off. ...maybe!
because insurance companies struggle for profits? Ev's arent the reason, but the excuse, and its not even a valid one, because as the video stated, EV owners already pay much more. If EV's really were the reason, they could just up the rates for EV's only
@@badchefi The horror story is that BEV is only market viable because of corporate welfare and tax breaks/incentives that mostly end up going to the wealthy. I have no problem with the things existing and people enjoying them, I just don't want to pay for other people's cars any more than I want to pay for other people's wars.
@@treelineresearch3387 Any tax breaks on EVs fade in comparison to the $7 trillion the fossil fuel industry received in subsidies last year. That's $221,968 of taxpayer's money per second going to an industry that made more than $4 trillion in profits last year. Now, that is robbery!
Thanks for flagging the Telegram scammers. Got contacted, seemed fishy so I asked what “your” favourite car was. Got an answer of the GranTurismo. Figured avg intelligence was higher than the usual scammer. Upped my game and showed my admiration for your very rare 4wd yellow Shamal - got a thumbs up… And if that wasn’t enough, he sealed the deal by calling me “bro” - biggest giveaway ever 😂
I find it incredibly hard to have any sympathy for these EV buying morons. You're intelligent(?) adults with loads of money in your pockets, what's the matter with you? Do you all drink Evian water by any chance?
My mechanic has been repairing evs. They have all the mechanical parts of every car except the engine and transmission which are very reliable in any case. He said the suspension parts break regularly because of the added weight. Tires which are more expensive than most are also routinely changed. His opinion: EV's are more costly to maintain right from initial purchase.
We have 16 or so EV buses in our fleet at work. Nice enough to drive but the range is lousy. Biggest complaints from our workshop mechanics are poor brake life due to the extra 3 ton battery/cooling module and the fact there's a lot of what should be normal maintenance work they can't do.
Not just batteries, even the braking system is more complex due to the regenerative system which leads to any repairs having to be made at main dealer. Break pipes for example, I learnt this the hardway, to replace 4 of them cost half the price of the vehicle.
The problem is you cannot just drain the energy source from one tank in to another tank as an entirely trivial matter. Well half the energy source to be precise as a vast volume of air is needed to release it. The battery contains all that is required for the journey trapped under high electrical pressure with a multitude of chemicals in thousands of tiny little complex containers. Mess with that at your peril.
@@ascelot When does regen braking system ever fail by itself? Never. It's an integral part of the entire system. If the regen braking system fails then the entire IM and/or battery system has failed.
I'm an electrical engineer and I've been warning about this problem for years. Anything to do with electrical power generation/distribution/storage etc. will be almost impossible to repair due to the very nature of electricity.
Placing the battery in the very bottom of the vehicle makes sense from a suspension, handling and interior design perspective, but it leaves the vehicle chronically vulnerable to any under vehicle impact. Many vehicles I have owned have had underbody dents from simply being jacked incorrectly when changing a tyre. I wonder if we are going to see EVs written off because of poor use of car jacks. They are so heavy that any poor selection of the jack point will put tremendous force on that point. Probably not covered by warranty...
@@tommyking626 easy - because the vehicle would roll at every corner! The battery packs are very heavy, both in real numbers and proportion to the vehicle weight. You need to get any weight down low, and ideally centred between the axles.
Toyota dealership incorrectly jacked our fleet Prius and buckled out the passenger side skirt, we spotted the damage from 30ft away. Dealership initially tried to fob us off but we stuck our ground and they put the damage right (no apology from dealership). If it was hard to get them to own up about the damage when the car was in their yard, imagine their response if we hadn't noticed and driven away
Its not just the EV owner footing this bill, its every driver. So I have not only given the 'I am concidererably richer than you' brigade a slice of my tax money in the form of subsidies, then effectively , help subsidise their free road tax (despite my car mass of 1690kg) and now I will get hammered with a higher insurance premium to account for increased costs. Thanks.To add, I pay over £500 in road tax a year because I had the nerve to buy a car that had a list price over 40k, not worth near that now, but still pay that high tax, yet my use of the car is actually low. UK sucks if you are a member of the hive.
wait till they deem electricity as a transport fuel and price it the same as they would for enterprise use and not account for gran wanting to turn on the heater on a brutally cold evening.
So basically the "complexity" of the internal combustion engine is why it's cheaper to fix. Just replace the small part that fails and keep the rest. Cheap and good for the environment. With an electric car, you often have to replace the entire motor or battery pack, which is expensive and not so good for the environment.
You don't have to, the manufacturer forces you to. Everything can be repair if you can get the parts, manufacturer's stop you getting individual parts.
@@Robert-cu9bmAfter a collision, the battery may still work, but the risk of fire caused by non visible internal damage may increase significantly. Are you ready to accept that higher risks? More importantly , is your insurance willing to cover that increased risks?
@@Robert-cu9bmthe problem is tge extreme energies involved. You need special skills to work on it. Its not something you should be doing yourself. Also the new structural battery packs can no longer be repaired. Its obvious they want to control the market.
I hit a deer. I went on facebook and got a hood, bumper cover, radiator support and fender for $400. Headlight on ebay was about $50. Obviously, I swapped the parts in my garage easily. A fender bender totals a brand new 60k pollution machine, I mean EV.
In AUS most ICE cars are thrown away when the value is ~$3k and they have a major fault that exceeds that value (like a bad transmission). In comparison EV's will drop from $20k-$40k value to zero once they need a new battery.
Even ice cars with a value of $3k can have second hand or used parts installed they do not need brand new ones and can be kept on the road as long as they do not get electronic cancer.
That is ridiculous. I have a 1968 Ford F-250 2 door, 2 wheel drive, 8 foot bed (that you can actually haul something in) that I built from the ground up. I've owned it for nearly 40 years. It's been through three engines, a couple of transmissions, lots of brake, steering, and suspension parts, and a few other bits and pieces. It has been infinitely cheaper to keep replacing parts than to buy a new total piece of JUNK truck. I have lots of body parts, a spare frame, and a rebuilt transmission and engine ready to go into it when it becomes necessary. I live in Arizona, U.S. Cars/trucks do not rust here.
I bought a mid 90s Mitsubishi 4x4, unfortunately it was a total Lemmon, the previous owners had really abused it and eventually I found out the engine block needed replacing. It cost me about $1300 in the end. Still, it was a lot cheaper than fixing a 1 year old EV! 😅
And on top of that, the guy in the first example can be held liable in case his car explodes in a fireball causing collateral damage/injuries, IF he doesn't get the battery replaced. It's really a NO-win situation.
Very good point as the insurance will be void, but in the UK you won't get your car back from the insurance approved repairer so the public get protected from un road worthy vehicles
@darrenmurphy6251 That's true, and that would form a good reason for aware owners NOT to go and get their EV batteries checked after a minor incident like this. So... less safety all round. 😔
The more electronic modules you have in a car the more it requires expensive specialist knowledge to repair. ICE cars are bad enough, but EV's in this respect are far more complex hence many are written off after what appears to be minor damage. The biggest expense is the battery pack which insurers are adding to the repair costs as they can't be certain of their safety after a collision. It baffles me why the industry didn't see this coming, only Toyota's ex chief had the courage to speak up, now other major brands can't sell EV's.
"The more electronic modules you have in a car the more it requires expensive specialist knowledge to repair." Yep, it's the old problem of software vs hardware, it's not a new problem. The appeal of software is it's flexibility, but this is also it's downfall. Anyone with a computer, phone, tv etc knows that this stuff gets outdated faster than a loaf of bread. Hardware while less flexible, lasts far longer and and much, much easier to fix long term. Anyone with tactile skills can do it, unlike software which even a software developer can't fix unless it's an extremely precise set of technology that that person has already learned. I work in software, I know exactly how this works (or doesn't) The biggest problem with new cars is not EV vs ICE, it's hardware vs software, and EV's are the worst offenders.
I can only agree, having spent a lifetime in electronics trying to make the hardware reliable in harsh conditions is difficult enough, but to rely on software as well is asking for trouble. This isn't going to be resolved any time soon, the first person the find a way of writing bug free software will make a fortune.@@gooble69
Don't get it twisted... Major brands don't want to sell EV's and will make it hard for you to own one... They want you suckling at the gas tit forever...
It wasn't too long ago I was reading articles warning me of the hundreds of pounds it would cost to replace a catalytic converter or a master brake cylinder. But these EV battery costs are on a different level; actually two orders of magnitude higher.
Hello, I’m from Alberta and I love your channel. I would never own an EV in this part of the world. This EV business is thoroughly madness and can’t believe how some people are falling for it. Thanks for your information.
People have been falling for this same scam over and over. Sometimes it's EVs sometimes it's something different. But they always fall for it every time and they're angry at you if you don't.
What has also became apparent to me from that Hyundai case, is that Anyone going out to buy a new EV needs to ask for it to be put on a ramp to check the underside before buying it, as essentially you could be buying a new vehicle that may have been scraped getting it off the ship or to the dealer and would already have a void warranty. I don't know anyone who would normally inspect the underside of a vehicle when buying new.
Good point. But I note that inspecting the underside of a used car is a sensible precaution in all cases. Vehicles that have been driven off-road can sustain significant underside damage. Also vehicles driven in cold climates may have serious corrosion issues due to salt. Mind you, I for one, am certainly not rushing to buy an EV.
I like the idea of an EV for reduced maintenance because I work on my own cars but I recently bought a 60s car and it's so much easier to work on than most from the 90s+, they used to be designed for the owner to maintain them.
When you open the bonnet of a new car, there’s no space around the engine and few user-serviceable parts. I used to love my 80’s Fiat 127, so easy to work on!
Yes, they've designed new cars on the "throw away" principle. When it needs repair, just throw it away and buy a new one! That might work for TVs, but it really chaps my butt when it's done with cars. We expect a car to last a long time and be easily repaired when something fails!
As for the Rivian, I’ve seen several videos where a small, minor dent causes $40- $50,000 dollars in repairs. That’s because the Rivian uses a seamless rear section that must be replaced as a whole in order to be repaired to original status. Which is a most inefficient design. But wait… if you think the Rivian is bad?… Just wait until you get your repair bill for your Cybertruck. 😮
Simply support legacy car product, I have not heard of Toyota BZ repairs being major costs for a small ding. I keep posting on the MUNRO channel about the Tesla designs, they may be cheaper?????? But structural batteries, giga castings, Stainless steel bodies will surely be very expensive repairs for everyday minor dings. That which legacy car manufacturer’s have leant of years, is not common knowledge to the start up EV makers.
@@larrymeyer2917 Not only stainless steel but "bulletproof stainless steel $$$". And no paint means no body fillers so the repairs will be cyber-expensive.
My Citroën C4 diesel has a timing belt that needs replacing every 120,000 Kms so it's hardly a major maintenance problem. And €50 for oil every 20,000 Kms is hardly likely to break the bank. As for repairs, the turbo on the engine broke last year and cost €650 to replace and it was repaired in a couple of days.
@@justice4gAbsolutely. Manufacturers quote these long intervals to reduce apparent service costs. As long as it survives the warranty period they are OK with it. No thought of longer term reliability.
@@danielstapler4315 exactly. The dealerships are bound by the prices set from the manufacturers. If you buy ANY lithium battery, you will notice their high cost (EV battery to an 18650 cell). Ev batteries are huge and have complex components in them, hence the cost. If you can afford it, great, but most people just can't carry the cost of ownership.
If they were only a motor and battery then more people may buy them. But they have more expensive tyres, stronger brakes, a regenerative braking system, complex charging system (you may just plug it in, but it's not that simple), an elaborate and expensive self-guidance system, built in touch screen computers... If they were a battery and an engine I would look in to buying one as they would likely be cheaper than a regular car. I don't need a car that can drive itself or even has heated seats. Just some wheels and an engine. Which is what my 2004 Micra does at 61mpg. Better mpg than a hybrid and cheaper to run than a full electric with fewer emissions.
EVs in China are way ahead of the USA and they have all sizes at various price points. Our choices are luxo models with lots of gadgets, at high prices, for early adopters. OEMs are all designing $25K models for the mainstream get-to-work market. Volvo EX30 is an example. VW, Stellantis, Tesla all working on them. They are building many cheap battery plants and there will be a glut, so prices of batteries will fall. Once economies of scale get going we will see EVs all over. Since they are simpler, and much cheaper to run, the decision will be a no-brainer if you can charge at home. Your Micra might not last forever , but nurse it along a few more years.
At one time I worked at a group of rural workshops. One of the shops purchased vehicles that the insurance companies said were beyond economical repair. They would carry out ‘economical’ repairs & sell them on.
That's hard to do now, with all the reporting agencies that exist, like Carfax, where you can see the history of a car. Insurance write offs will show up in a search, and in some places, non-disclosure of a car being an insurance write off, could buy you headaches down the road, if the buyers gets into an accident, and the car is found to be at fault. That car you made a quick couple of grand in profit on today, could end up costing you a lot more 3, 4, or 5 years down the road. Reselling cars bought from an insurance company wrecking yard, may even be illegal in some jurisdictions (I'm talking about globally, not necessarily locally). Then you have the unique case of Florida. If Florida issues a certificate of destruction on a car, you will never be able to get a clean title for that car anywhere in the United States. The car is only good for parts, or for export. Not for driving or reselling.
These figures also exclude a one time battery replacement cost in the 10th year that could be $10-20k at one shot. Most ice cars don’t blow an engine in 10 years by just doing a couple hundred dollars of maintenance per year won’t add up to $10k-$20k.
Lol when the full charge range is 60 miles, so many people online who buy a 8-10 year old ev just to realize it won't make them to work and back and need an 20k battery pack, 10 years is old for a computer, your phone, battery power tools, look at the hover boards it's the same Chinese cheap crap going into the cars
I understand that these EVs cost more with new technology. If a cell dies, you have to find which one or you get billed for the battery. What gets me, is that gear boxes are made by the millions, yet when you need new parts, whether auto or manual, the prices are prohibitive. So basically we are being ripped off with everything.
and they told us ICe has too many parts and these EV has it solved. what are those battery ? they could failed independently. and you must replace one module even if your battery is that damage is only one or two. total, EV has more parts than ICE if you count the independent batteries that could failed
Most tranmission parts have good pricing, it just needs a lot of labour and someone who knows how to do it, most mechanics don’t have the knowledge to repair gearboxes
I think the described issue will often have the same outcome. When an ICE car has worn engine parts, like crankshaft, valves, pistons, or indeed a broken transmission or single gear, this will often results in huge labour costs and expensive parts and thus the cars might be written off... The problem with EV is, I think, due to the way it is constructed, less repairable parts and less mechanics with knowledge, it will result in early write off.
@@johnnunn8688 They are currently not built with easily removal modules so you can test for and replace just a section of the whole pack. There is no reason it can't be done, but it just adds to the complexity and no doubt massive cost increase, making EV's even less affordable.
Repair costs of this magnitude guarantees that the resale value of EV's will diminish greatly. BTW-I saw a video on YT a couple of years ago posted by one of those car reviewing channels. They were doing a long term review on a Tesla and were very impressed with it. That is, until the driver accidentally backed the car into the wall. It was a very low speed impact and the body damage seemed slight. The repair bill came to $14,000 and there wasn't any damage to the battery, only the right rear quarter panel.
EVs already have horrific resale value and that's with the masses still not aware of all these huge costs. Then add the fact your vehicle's life span is ten years and you're lucky if you can get rid of it without paying someone to take it off your hands.
@@zoltrix7779I don't think there is such a thing as a bargain EV. But EVs with dramatic depreciation are the norm in most countries. I'm not aware of any EVs holding value in equal measure as a comparable ICE vehicle. Are you?
@@varmastiko2908 because its assumed that the battery pack needs replaced.. EV owners typically trade off the vehicle as soon as they see the repair cost.. so in effect they are cost shifting the damage to the person who buys the car from them
The nutters will say but costs will come down as the science and technology gets better. Over 150 years of science and technology has gone into EV's and still they can not compete.
In U.K. first responders are being told not to touch badly damaged EVs for a minimum of 15 minutes because of the possibility of shocks. They therefore cannot use jaws of life to cut into the roof to extract occupants for at least a quarter of an hour and even then there is considerable danger if they need to cut into the bulkhead. Let’s hope the battery doesn’t catch fire!!
I think that tale is absolute BS. Where an accident is severe enough to require “the jaws of life”, the airbag system would have deployed 1 or more airbags… which in most vehicles is connected to a battery disconnect contactor, cutting the supply off at the battery pack.
Was inspecting some brand new electric car batteries at a recycling business, could not believe how heavy these modules were compared to a lead battery of comparable physical size, these 'lightweight' lithium are just so damn heavy.
Yes, there was an obvious steel frame around the outer perimeter coner edges which wasn't enough to account for so much weight and these modules were like a regular battery size but around 600mm long and with connection and pipe outlets, simply could not lift one, only an end. they were kia or some similar make
The drive motors are also very unreliable . As soon as a coolant gasket stars to weep internally its all over . Furthermore the bearings are unlikely to last a long time either because stray inductive voltages can spark them and create pits in the balls of the bearings which begins a destructive process . To make things even worse manufacturers are starting to combine the inverter and converter and other items into the motor units. And as a final jesture of spite they often disable these motor units after a crash so only the manufacturer can reset them meaning it's not easy to find and fit second hand motors.
EVs are a scam. It's a money extraction scheme, separating rich yuppie fools from their excess income in the name of virtue-signaling to the Climate Gods. Anyone who's done a bit of research and cares about their personal finances won't touch an EV with a 100 foot pole.
@@amandajane8227 True, the dealer way is to do nothing and make lots of money when it fails. There are a very small number of electric car specialists who can do this service work. I would doubt there would be more than about 3 companies who would do that work in Australia,
One video I saw had a man with a 2021 EV and he was on his third battery pack replacement because the first two battery packs were defective.Videos and information like this makes me want to rush out and buy an EV.
I saw the full Motormouth video earlier and can confirm it has put me off buying an EV completely. Aside from damage repair costs and escalating insurance premiums, the incredibly fast technological advances are making new cars about as up to date as a new computer / mobile phone, i.e. they are outdated the day you buy them.
'throw away' tech! the real cause of global pollution! but they dare not ameliorate that! instead they'll continue pyssing in our pockets wiith imaginary anthropomorphic CC
I’m so thankful I was unable to find an EV in our price range when I needed to replace my wife’s car. She drives an average of maybe 5 miles per day, and there aren’t any compact, short range urban EV’s available. Now I can see that it will take many years before the repair and service infrastructure is in place for EV’s, and for their designers to figure out ways of reducing those astronomical repair and battery replacement costs.
Close to it. Nicola Tesla's free energy tech would see a power source no bigger than a mobile phone and never needs charging. Such tech exists but is suppressed and the military get first use. DEWs are related technology and they can fire trillion watt lasers into the sky to bring down lightning and massive rain storms.
I had a collision repair shop for 30 years. There's a guy that has a channel "Teska Cam" or something. But I noticed on there, that repairs that would cost $3,000-$4,000 and take 3-5 days on an ICE, were costing $6,000-$7,000 and taking months. I've repaired a couple of Camry Hybrids, but it was a fresh concept, and little was known. So insurance companies got by with cheaper repairs. I wouldn't let an EV in the shop today, and I bet the Insurance on the shop, and workman's comp would be quadruple, repairing their cars for them.
@@garreysellars5525 Not just EVs. Some ICE vehicles have been using run flat tyres for years now as well. Good luck trying to replace them if you're outside a major city.
@@garreysellars5525 So you don't know what a run flat tyre is then? Maybe look it up, No spare and a container with some goop that you pump into your tyre to hopefully plug a hole. NO SPARE TYRE. You're welcome.
A visitor to our home yesterday arrived in a Jaguar iPace. He said the range was so poor, he only used it for local buseness calls. He had a diesel Audi for longer trips. 😮
Insurance is $357 versus $248 pcm. In Thailand by Mazda 2 insurance is $300 per year. 2 services per year cost $100 each and I have only replaced a pair of rear shock bump-stops and 1 battery, $120, in 7 years. You can stick EVs where the sun dont shine.
Talking about Scotland, heard Tesla's billing a customer for a NEW battery "because they drove it in the rain"? What makes this worse is the car was still in warranty. - th-cam.com/video/pka9KaQh7DA/w-d-xo.html
I've just purchased a 2019 Ford Endura turbo diesel! Non of this EV crap for me & watching MGUY's videos reassures me that I've done the right thing, besides that - I reckon that I got the deal of the year! To MGUY & his subscribers, I say - have a Merry Christmas and a safe and happy new year.
I’m glad this information is getting out to the public so that they can make an informed buying decision. I’m sure the manufacturers would rather people not know.
Wow, you get a life "mate." Conflating diesel engines with gasoline engines. Conflating one car company with all of them. You must be one of those mouth foaming EV marketers.
@iscadean Diesel and gas are STILL cleaner than an battery powered car.. period.. they are also safer and cheaper to maintain over the long run. And I'm sure those thousands of kids working those lithium mines are really concerned about diesel fumes. BTW.. exactly how many kids have been killed by diesel fumes? What nation? I want to see the cause of death on certificates.. so did they just put their lips on the exhaust pipe and inhale? Or is this all some environmental alarmist screaming but the kids are dying the kids are dying! I'm also guessing you're one of those who think we are endangering kids by not confirming that they are a girl when they were born a boy.. and then screaming that unless we affirm they are what they say we are they we are responsible for them killing themselves.
As pointed out multiple times, Consumer Reports (a major consumer/testing magazine in the US) does an annual survey of owners for cars for what's broken, and it turns out that EVs are not particularly bad at reliability, but they're not particularly good at reliability. Mid-pack at best compared with normal cars. The most reliable brands are Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Subaru, Mazda and a few others.
I don't own an EV! But my insurance has gone up by 50% in the last 2 years because of them! So don't think that it's just the owners who are paying the price.
ICE vehicle insurance premiums are going up due to how expensive EV's are to repair. I think EV's would have three own insurance fund and have to pay separate premiums from ICE vehicle owners. Then you would really hear the EV crowd cry.
@@charlestoast4051 its the way all insurance companies work.. they spread the cost to everyone, EV owners may bear a lot of the cost.. but the rest is made up for by the others who have a policy with that company.
I used to have an old IBM document, the Jargon Manual. I'm sure you can find it online these days. It's definition for "lunatic fringe" were the IBM customers who would cheerfully accept v1.0 IBM software.
@lesklower7281 EVs are actually extremely cheap to own and run, and cheaper than an ICEV over the life of the vehicle. In the UK I can drive 250 miles (400km) for as little as £5. Repairs can be expensive but if you use an independent EV specialist rather than a main dealer costs are much more reasonable.
Not true. There are loads of out of warranty Nissan, Renault, and Tesla EVs on the road and for sale. There is also a strong market for used EV batteries for use as home storage or ICE to EV conversions.
@@jeremyradford5103 oh really I guess 50k for a Hyundai Is cheap now...also time is money you having to wait 1 hour ever 120miles will cost you something don't you think? The inability to tow, to relax and Just drive without having to plan every single stop is priceless.
The whole reason for electrification of everything is about control of everything you do .gas for cooking and petrol diesel for vehicles far harder for them to switch off....
My good friend drives a new hybrid Merc. Mounted a curb to avoid a learner driver (who just drove off). It really was a nothing incident. Six months and £27,000 later he's just got it back. 🙄
This is why Ebikes have exploded in popularity. They're honestly simple with not having $20,000 of senseless addons bolted to them, just the battery and motor as EV proponents claim to have. Here in the States, it's a fantastic option to have an Ebike, especially a reverse trike with an enclosure to beat the rain. Also fortunate in the States is that the police don't know or care about bicycle laws and will ignore you even if your bike is producing several thousand watts of power, so long as the vehicle has pedals and you're not going faster than 50 km/h.
I think the Rivian example given may be due to the body panels and shape, rather than the electrics. Rich Rebuilds channel covers similar issues he had repairing some body damage to his Rivian. But yes, if affect anything electrical, it could be painful.
A tesla expert had a video on here a few years ago.. He was exploring auction web sites, and found several teslas waiting to be bid on. ALL of them had been totaled by the insurance agency.. Why? A quarter panel and door skin were dented. The problem: Parts were VERY hard to get, and then, what about POSSIBLE damage to the battery... oops.
@@badchefiIt’s kind of logical. If Hyundai man’s car got written off by what looks like a speed hump scrape or similar then yes, common sense would dictate that speed bumps are best avoided, especially in a low-riding EV. Don’t really need data to back that up.
@iscadean Which is more likely to be written off by scraping a speed bump - an EV or an ICE? Game over, job done, intellectual exercise complete - now quit your whining.
as an example i repaired a 1997 vauxhall astra the other day replaced every ball joint front suspension the brakes and service for 400 pounds did a battery on an ev less than a year old not the main one but a small aux battery bout the same as a normal car battery 2500 pounds just for the battery and took 2 days to fit
Ah yes, just a motor and battery. Battery that is made of hundreds of fragile components, motor containing sensitive winding and magnets with finite life span, a complex computer, heavy electronics for power conversion, electric power steering unit, electric power brakes unit, miles of wiring, dozens of sensors, electric ac unit, an aluminium body that's a bi!!h to repair, and countless other things that can and will go wrong. But otherwise pretty simple construction. :D
Beware of price quotes. My local garage, now retired, had three rates, one for insurance claims, one for people from the area and one for his 'regulars' like me who used the garage exclusively. His wife was skilled at locating very inexpensive, good condition, used parts which she inspected before parting with any cash.
The EV has become the most expensive disposable purchase you can own, very much like a disposable e cig. But the costs also come from failures of the charging system, battery and computer systems, this for me makes them not fit for use. As a pensioner it’s a non starter.
I have a 24-year old 1998 Subaru Legacy Outback AWD wagon with 200,000 miles on it. Kelly Blue Book says it is worth $2000 US. We spent $1500.00 at the service shop on it this fall replacing some belts, rear sway bars, ball joints, front and rear suspension bushings, and a fuel vapor system hose. I spent another $250 on OEM parts on eBay to DIY replace the driver’s side seatbelt assembly and both front headlight assemblies, and doing the headlight alignment with basic hand tools, saving myself about $300.00 in shop labor costs. So, yeah, parts and service for the year almost equaled the “value” of the car. BUT compare and contrast this with owning a new vehicle, with taxes, fees, registration, interest payments, insurance, and depreciation. With a driving range of over 300 miles in all weather, (even -25’C) AWD capability, and a 5-minute “recharge time” we will be miles ahead on cost savings and personal convenience. The “value” of something you use and depend on almost daily is NOT what someone will pay YOU for it, but how much it will cost YOU to REPLACE it.
@iscadean And how many electric production cars have 1200 HP or more at the wheel... exactly 2... and both of them them cost over 1 million US dollars... you got that on your EV? Thought not.
I bought a Peugeot 306 2l turbo estate 17 years ago for $2500 second hand. It lasted for 7 years. Fuel consumption (measured multiple times by me) was 3.7l/100km. No EV now or proposed can even imagine coming close. Good luck!
You might want to investigate some other types of repairs as well. EV's are basically unprotected computer networks and there are starting to be problems with the fancy displays and million sensors and fibre optic cabling especially in countries where you get winter. Even in my regular vehicle if it is really cold you dare not drive till the interior is warmed up as the touch screens won't work and will do random things.
Indeed, you are correct. The way to look at it is that an EV is essentially a very complicated laptop that just happens to have wheels and can transport people from A to Z - stopping at E, J, P, and T, to recharge, of course. Name anyone with a laptop that hasn't had issues and almost thrown it out of the window with frustration!😂
@@gerbre1 I owned a simple EV once.. only EV I ever owned.. batteries die after about 10 minutes of driving.. Stripped down model had no frills... no AC.. no heater.. no airbags.. heck you couldn't even see out the windows but it did have a radio and a blast to drive... Made by Tyco in the early 90s about 15 inches long and cost 50 bucks! lol
@@rodshoaf My EV has AC and heated steering wheel and heated seats in the front and in the back and ventilated seats. The best heating of all cars I ever owned. The 12V battery is automatically reloaded from the big battery every three days when the car is off and not driven.
My trusted mechanic who can basically fix just about any car at really reasonable cost, just gave up on trying to fix some minor issues on a Tesla simply because it’s impossible to order the parts needed.
Even the smallest disruption of the battery encasement requires extensive repair,if possible,and probably will leave the vehicle inoperable.Most EV’s are relatively new,just wait till the fleet ages,you’ll be paying someone just to dispose of it,forget “resale” value
You’re exactly right about the EV cookouts.What will happen is the actuarial tables will,already are, factor in these outrageous repair costs and accidental cookout fires and the damn insurance rates will exceed the car payment.
My answer has always been, small battery to handle surges in power needs under hard acceleration and a small onboard generator tuned to run as efficiently as possible at 1 steady RPM to power the electric motors, similar to how locomotive have been powered for over 60 years. You get the pros of the instant torque, better fuel mileage, etc., with the easy of just filling up a tank for the generator. The battery is much smaller and cheaper, etc.
Just bought four new tires and replaced the radiator on my old 2001 Hyundai Elantra. I had four used tires on there and my radiator had a leak. The total cost was $360. This coming spring or summer, I plan on deep diving into my 1970 Ford F-100, and really putting in the time and money to get it maybe not "as good as new," but to the point where I would confidently drive it every single day. I'm thinking it'll probably cost $1200, and most of that cost is going into a brand new bed, as I don't think I'll be able to salvage the current bed. Meanwhile, I've seen repair bills on EV's for a single tire (which wear out faster than ICE vehicles and usually aren't covered in the warranty) go over the $400 mark
I saw a UK blogger talking about the extra cost of tyres for EVs due to them requiring stronger construction to deal with higher torque. Also they need replacing sooner due to extra wear due to extra weight compared to IC cars.
Ev's should receive a massive sandwich of 2, 1/4" thick, hardened steel skid plates, with memory foam in between both plates, for armor, underneath the car. It would only add 400 to 500 extra pounds of weight....
EV's also mean an end to home servicing or repair, small (cheaper) repair workshops will eventually be forced out of business and all EV maintenance will have to be done by authorised workshops or the dealer, which is going to be WAY more expensive. All part of the plan!
Great video! I do want to offer a couple of thoughts: 1) Hybrids: I had my hybrid battery repaired on my Toyota Avalon hybrid for under $500. That got me another 20K miles. (From 160K to 180K). Replacement for that car from the dealer is $4K, but after market with a lifetime warranty is only $2500 (multiple sources). 2) EV’s do have some EV battery shops finally starting to pop up here in the US, they can do battery repairs much cheaper than the $10-20K replacement typically quoted (from Tesla stories). There also are some good battery recycling programs here. All of that said though, this point of the video is solid. EV’s can be costly to repair. Maintenance is their strong suit. This is the problem with gov regs forcing EV ownership. It should be a choice, not a requirement. People also need to get quotes from multiple sources/dealers etc when doing battery work.
For Hybrids what I found was most replacements are remanufactured which likely means a reconditioned or rebuilt. I don’t believe these are any more likely to spontaneously combust than new. Also, while spontaneous battery combustion does happen, it is extremely rare. EV’s have the lowers percentage by far or car fires than petrol or diesel vehicles. Hybrids are more likely than EV’s though but their wiring and power trains are far more complex than either an EV or a petrol or diesel because they combine both.
I watched a strip down of an EV motor, it was unbelievably complex, electronic circuit boards inside the motor casings and all electronic motor control systems being far more complex than an ICE.
We were an "early adopter" and bought an e-Golf in 2014. Initially, its range was about 115 miles but it is now about 80 miles and less if its very cold or very hot. VW quoted £10,000 for a new battery - 3 years ago. We decided not to replace the battery, or the car but just use it for local journeys - for which it is excellent. Eventually, the range will be so small that the car will be unusable and then it will be scrapped. It looks brand new and has only done 45,000 miles but we don't expect it to last more than another 5 years. Contrary to some comments, EVs do need regular servicing. Brake pads and cabin filters need replacing and software upgrades are important. We also have a 2014 petrol Golf and the e-Golf is on its 3rd sets of tyres whilst the petrol car has just started its second set after a similar mileage.
Thanks you, batteries have only a limited life time, and all these governments around the world saying " we will build battery storage for solar", as a 30 year off grid person , I've found the only use for used batteries, is to stuff them in pop holes, that kangaroos and wombats use, when going through fences. 😅
So you paid how much for a car that has only 45K miles on it and you'll be scrapping it afterwards because it will have zero value... why that's totally ecology friendly... I see you learned your lesson and got a ICE afterwards.
With a conventical petrol car you can work on and maintain it without worrying if it's going to explode in your face. Owning an electric car must be like having a normal car with a land mine where the airbag is supposed to be!💥
If I'm not mistaken, when people rent a car they are asked if they want to purchase insurance for the trip. Most decline as their existing auto policy covers rental cars. You may wish to check about coverage on a rental EV if scraping the floorboard going into a parking lot can cost $20k.
There is another maintenance expense I have seen. Tires. Due to the comparatively higher weight and the faster acceleration of EV’s to ICE’s, EV owners find themselves replacing their tires more frequently-often much well below the mileage rating. If someone wants to purchase dedicated EV tires, they are more expensive. Compare, for example ,an all season tire to an EV tire of the same size. And as importantly, notice the warranty difference between the two. Everyone I looked at the warranty, was much lower on the EV tire.
The faster acceleration is down to the driver's right foot, nothing more. My small EV van I can easily spin up the wheels from a start, but I don't, because I apply the power smoothly.
@@stuinNorway Like all things with human nature, if its there, human will use it. So by inference, most EV drivers will use the extra acceleration because they can. There goes your 'drivers foot' theory...
@@sajjie8121 "There goes the driver's foot theory" ? Not at all you have merely confirmed it. That drivers try to use more power than is needed, and so wear out the tyres far quicker.
What could go wrong? How about maintenance costs doubling ? How about buying tires at twice the rate you do now ? how about your insurance rates going up? How about having a minor fender bender and then you find out that your car is totaled ? how about having your ev for a year and then finding out you need a new $25,000 battery.?
Same here. when they first came out in Australia, I did watch what was going on with them. and slowly over time, I've come to the realisation that they're not as good as they're made out to be, and actually worse in a lot of cases.
Parts cost is not the only issue. My daughter had $10k of damage to her $15k insured vehicle which was not drivable. Living in a regional/rural part of NSW, the repairer could not start repairing the car for 4 months due to being booked out. The car would needed to be stored at $100/day for 120 days adding another $12k to the insurance cost. The insurance company (NRMA) wrote the vehicle off. Our other car (drivable) after being rear ended, waiting to turn, was booked in for repairs 5 months later. More cars on the road, more damage, not enough repairers and this creates longer wait times and, for Insurance, it is cheaper to write off if the vehicle is un-drivable even though it can be repaired.
All modern cars are stupidly expensive to repair now due all the new safety sensors and pointless technology fitted. Regarding EV's saw a news article stating that a wiper blade from Tesla for the Cyber truck will cost $165
@@bentullett6068 back in the day you could buy just the rubber insert and fit it yourself - nowadays you have to replace the entire assembly! it only takes about 5 mins to replace both assemblies, but they charge the full hour anyway, because they can! eddit: and they pay the trainee about $20 an hour
@@andyman8630 Some of the assemblies can be refreshed with new (common/cheap) rubber inserts but typically the plastic assemblies themselves wear out so you can only do that a couple of times before you have to do a full replacement, even the old metal wipers wore out even if they were cheap to replace.
There was another case here in Vancouver Canada where a Hyundai Ioniq, which just fell out of warranty, ended up with a dead battery. The owner was quoted over $50,000 Canadian to replace the dead battery. Hyundai did nothing to help. The own contacted a news agency, Global News, where they reported on the absurd +$50,000 price to replace the dead battery in the EV that was just about 1,000 kms out of warranty. The owner could, of course, not afford to pay for a battery replacement, so he had to walk away from his Hyundai Ioniq. When the story broke with Global News, Hyundai Canada finally stepped forward claiming they would have done something for this poor customer. By then, it was too late. Curious that this person's quote in Vancouver Canada was just over $50,000 to replace the battery, whereas the cost to replace the battery in your video (again in Vancouver Canada) was just over $60,000. Why the $10,000 difference? Seems to me the car dealers are all over the map, price wise, gouging wise, when it comes to EV battery replacement quotes. All I can say is buyer beware!!!
This just in: For the first time the used EV segment is depreciating faster than any other used car segment, and it is only expected to get worse because previous EV owners are going back to internal combustion models. EV’s are done
EV depreciation is a bit higher than ICE cars but there are market forces at play, plus this always happens when the technology improves quickly over a short period. EVs are here to stay.
@@seannewman5391 Today GM just lost half of their Buick Dealerships because they refused to sell or repair EVs. Yesterday there was a 3 alarm fire at a GM EV assembly plant in Detroit that took almost a full day to put out because the batteries would start burning again after they were out... It was caused by a fork lift accident that pierced a single battery pack. If that had been a gasoline or diesel engine nothing would have happened except they would of had to scrap that engine. So a billion dollars worth of damages caused by a single battery pack fire?
@@rodshoafyeah this is a bad one and a small knockback for EV transition. I dont think this will change much though. Nobody died, I'm not sure $billions are involved. There are always accidents as there have been in the fossil fuel industry. Plant, oil rig, oil spills, explosions etc. Lessons are learned. Its all part of the bumpy road to decarbonisation. LFP batteries are already being used an thermal runaway in these cant happen. New batteries with similar properties are on the way. Remember EV fires kill a few. Fossil fuel emissions kill millions. Global warming is and will continue to cost billions.
This is all music to my ears. I am so happy for all those hybrid and EV owners out there. They think they are so virtuous, so let them pay for their virtue.
Depends on the hybrid, toyota nimh battery repair is cheap and the battery much better protected. Hybrid owners get shat on by the EV types too and we don't go around telling everyone that we have a hybrid. That is so moronic.
I don’t think it’s fair to place Hybrid owners in the same basket as crayon-munching EV owners. Hybrids are the greenest and most economical option and they last as long as an ICE car. Plus you never hear people touting they have a Hybrid or how much better it is… they just get on with their day like other ICE drivers, they have nothing to prove! 😜
@@lukeclifton4392 There is nothing "green" about hybrids. The batteries are the main culprit, naturally. Production and disposal of them are far from green, and they have a finite life. No comparison to a conventional ICE vehicle, which can often run for 60 years if there is no rust (well, modern ones will never be able to run for that long, but still...).
The crazy thing is how tesla says making a cast chassis in one piece making it cheaper to make, well imagine if it gets bent from an accident, the whole thing has to be removed. instant ride off which insurances don't want to pay hence they are double the costs
More or less the same thing even if the pack is "failed", since battery packs typically have one cell go bad long before the others rather than the whole pack uniformly going bad. Charge customer $40000 for a "new" pack (can even give him a few grand for his core, because you're nice...and you're still making boatloads of money) and send him on his way. Plug your dealer diag tool into the "dead" pack and have it tell you what cell or module needs to be swapped. Put in a new $2000 module where the computer tells you at the cost of a couple hours of technician time at $150/hr, and flip the dealer certified totally good refurb pack to the next guy for another $40k. You made almost $38k return on a spend of $2300 simply because you have the dealer-only tools to interrogate what's wrong with it and then bless it as good after repairing it. I don't know how often this happens, but it almost certainly does happen.
My new Renault EV appears to have been faulty from the day I drove away from the Dealer, as after just 2 miles the internal and main headlights failed. Switching off and restarting got everything working again so I assumed the problem had beeen me pushing the wrong button on the steering wheel. Within just two months 6 other faults appeared mostly in connection with wet weather when the lights, SatNavand rear camera would fail and seat belt, airbag and boot alarms sounded. I returned the car to the Dealer who charged me £120 per hour to 'investigate' seven faults. They found just one. The faults kept re-appearing but despite more 'investigation' charges after owning the car for a just single year I traded it in for a signifcant loss.
They have to write off the car when the batteries get scuffed up, because they don't know if they are still good, or are a ticking time bomb, waiting to explode. Writing off the car now, may be cheaper than having to pay off a bigger claim, that includes medical bills, later. They might even get sued for NOT writing the car off, when they saw the battery was damaged, and that contributed to an injury, or death, when the battery caught fire.
Agreed, and it’s hard to imagine any kind of solution. Protecting the battery, say by adding another floor underneath it will not only add weight and complexity but also make inspection and repair even more difficult.
I have never seen an ev on fire in person. I have seen a lot of ice cars on fire and couple of gas stations. I feeel if you have not seen an ev on fire in parson it does not count. Get out of your echo chamber. This guy is the main stream media that wants clicks. If someone only tells one side he is not entitled to an opinion.
The battery is just a storage for energy like a fuel tank. If i fully puncture the fuel tank then a replacement will cost £1000-1500 depending on car and you back on the road. And other advantages punctured tanks will not cause fire for 99% but if you puncture the battery pack then fire its guaranteed in 99.99%cases.
@@cyruslupercal9493 Electrochemical reaction is the principle of a cell's energy storage, but it's still only doing the job of storage. You can never get more energy out than you put in, and for the most part you get out quite a bit less because you lose energy to heat both on charge and discharge.
And the best part is that insurance companies will spread the high ev repair/writer off costs among ALL their customers. So not only are you paying for EV insurance, you're also paying for EV purchase subsidies. What a great time we live in....
We have speed bumps in the next village to me that scrape the bottom of most cars going over it, as they were made wrong i.e too high with no ramp up towards it as normal speed bumps do (its more like a curb across the road) who becomes responsible for the damage if an EV gets damaged?
In theory, the village government or the county government, depending on who is responsible for the roads. That may vary by state or country, but I know my state has an online car damage form for damage due to potholes and other road hazards that are the government's responsibility to fix (i.e. not debris on the road and such). I suspect a few claims will result in that bump getting fixed faster than any road repair you've ever seen.
@@willythemailboy2 No.. it's not the town or village.. they have governmental immunity.. it will be you and your insurance company who have to foot the bill.
If you damage the exhaust pipe by hitting a stone in the road, you don't need to change the engine and gearbox, a new pipe is quite cheap in comparison.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I live in B.C Canada, a lot of the speedbumps we have here are nasty. I wondered what would happen to one of these climate saving miracles after a little booboo like bottoming out on a speed bump. Love it.
A lot of 2e, 3e or even 6ehand ICE cars get a new life in Africa or South America, EV's are not going to make that trip. So, where are the recycling companies in the Western world which proces these cars and who pays the costs for environmental friendly removal?
I am quite sure it is the tax payer that is paying like always. But don't worry I sleep better at night nowiing I am helping the fat cats get richer with their scams.......not.
Speed bumps, curbs, rusty exhausts, stripped tyres, deer, lumps of tree and all manner of debris. It’s a driving minefield out there and the thought of a hugely vulnerable battery just inches from the ground frightens me. I do have high riding hybrid but the relatively small battery is well clear of the road, although I am aware of the potential pitfalls.
What gets me is, the new Prius uses a battery about 4 times the capacity of the original Prius. If you just want to get the fuel efficiency benefits, the smaller battery is enough. I'd love if you could choose the battery size on a hybrid. That way, if you didn't want to use it as a plug-in you could just get the small battery, save a chunk of money, and it would be cheaper to replace in the future.
Now is definitely NOT the time to be buying a car. Average car cost $47K?! That's insane!
Check your ego at the door - you need a vehicle to get back and forth to work, not to impress anyone. An auto finance rate of 7%+ is an insult to anyone with excellent credit. No thanks. Those new cars can sit on the lot and rot away for all I care.
I'm with you. I don't care how much it costs to keep my current cars running.
I'll drop new engines and trans if necessary I refuse to buy a new car.
Yeah, Im glad I keep seeing this message because I want a new car, but man these prices are crazy
The best course of action is to ask a consultant or investing coach for guidance or assistance on purchasing a car.
Speaking with a consultant helped me acquire my car effortlessly using the best plan available without affecting my portfolio.
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My petrol car insurance premium has almost doubled this time from £226 last year to £378 this year. I don't believe it's because of availability of parts or "the Ukraine war" but most likely to crawl back the costs of the EV insurance claims.
@iscadeannot so bonkers. Ev repair costs have pushed up all car insurance. Several insurance company's have now said this.
@iscadean you are so wrong, do your research.
@@welshy0867 iscadean has an EV. The cognitive bias will be strong.
Because of Covid, the Ukranian war, Joe public is repeatedly told that everything will cost more, and so has come to expect it. The Insurance companies, like everyone else, is using the situation to rip us off. ...maybe!
because insurance companies struggle for profits? Ev's arent the reason, but the excuse, and its not even a valid one, because as the video stated, EV owners already pay much more. If EV's really were the reason, they could just up the rates for EV's only
It's as though everything those who were critical of EVs had concerns about actually came true...
@@badchefi The horror story is that BEV is only market viable because of corporate welfare and tax breaks/incentives that mostly end up going to the wealthy. I have no problem with the things existing and people enjoying them, I just don't want to pay for other people's cars any more than I want to pay for other people's wars.
@@treelineresearch3387 Any tax breaks on EVs fade in comparison to the $7 trillion the fossil fuel industry received in subsidies last year. That's $221,968 of taxpayer's money per second going to an industry that made more than $4 trillion in profits last year. Now, that is robbery!
@@badchefi Of course you're going to like the welfare, you benefit from it and your costs are diffused onto others.
Thanks for flagging the Telegram scammers. Got contacted, seemed fishy so I asked what “your” favourite car was. Got an answer of the GranTurismo. Figured avg intelligence was higher than the usual scammer.
Upped my game and showed my admiration for your very rare 4wd yellow Shamal - got a thumbs up…
And if that wasn’t enough, he sealed the deal by calling me “bro” - biggest giveaway ever 😂
I find it incredibly hard to have any sympathy for these EV buying morons.
You're intelligent(?) adults with loads of money in your pockets, what's the matter with you? Do you all drink Evian water by any chance?
My mechanic has been repairing evs. They have all the mechanical parts of every car except the engine and transmission which are very reliable in any case. He said the suspension parts break regularly because of the added weight. Tires which are more expensive than most are also routinely changed. His opinion: EV's are more costly to maintain right from initial purchase.
You should get a new mechanic, yours obviously knows nothing.
Brakes not as often but are usually performance brakes
@@aiistyt And YOU should get a life troll.
We have 16 or so EV buses in our fleet at work. Nice enough to drive but the range is lousy. Biggest complaints from our workshop mechanics are poor brake life due to the extra 3 ton battery/cooling module and the fact there's a lot of what should be normal maintenance work they can't do.
@@aiistyt interesting comment, what's your back ground with EV repair and service?
EV repair costs for seemingly trivial damage are out of control, especially when there is any suspicion of battery damage.
Not just batteries, even the braking system is more complex due to the regenerative system which leads to any repairs having to be made at main dealer. Break pipes for example, I learnt this the hardway, to replace 4 of them cost half the price of the vehicle.
The problem is you cannot just drain the energy source from one tank in to another tank as an entirely trivial matter. Well half the energy source to be precise as a vast volume of air is needed to release it. The battery contains all that is required for the journey trapped under high electrical pressure with a multitude of chemicals in thousands of tiny little complex containers. Mess with that at your peril.
@@ascelot When does regen braking system ever fail by itself? Never. It's an integral part of the entire system. If the regen braking system fails then the entire IM and/or battery system has failed.
Tyres for EV’s are much more expensive too
@@michaeld5888 Are you saying that tehre is no way to disconnect the battery for repairs? Seems like an obvious oversight.
I'm an electrical engineer and I've been warning about this problem for years. Anything to do with electrical power generation/distribution/storage etc. will be almost impossible to repair due to the very nature of electricity.
Placing the battery in the very bottom of the vehicle makes sense from a suspension, handling and interior design perspective, but it leaves the vehicle chronically vulnerable to any under vehicle impact. Many vehicles I have owned have had underbody dents from simply being jacked incorrectly when changing a tyre. I wonder if we are going to see EVs written off because of poor use of car jacks. They are so heavy that any poor selection of the jack point will put tremendous force on that point. Probably not covered by warranty...
no it didnt make sense. if you graze it and the whole battery is compromise. why dont they put it in the top?
@@tommyking626 easy - because the vehicle would roll at every corner! The battery packs are very heavy, both in real numbers and proportion to the vehicle weight. You need to get any weight down low, and ideally centred between the axles.
Jack? You're supposed to tow it to the dealer and pay them $1500 to change the tire!
There is no good place to put a battery of that size and weight in a car. Putting it at the bottom is actually the best place.
Toyota dealership incorrectly jacked our fleet Prius and buckled out the passenger side skirt, we spotted the damage from 30ft away. Dealership initially tried to fob us off but we stuck our ground and they put the damage right (no apology from dealership). If it was hard to get them to own up about the damage when the car was in their yard, imagine their response if we hadn't noticed and driven away
Its not just the EV owner footing this bill, its every driver. So I have not only given the 'I am concidererably richer than you' brigade a slice of my tax money in the form of subsidies, then effectively , help subsidise their free road tax (despite my car mass of 1690kg) and now I will get hammered with a higher insurance premium to account for increased costs. Thanks.To add, I pay over £500 in road tax a year because I had the nerve to buy a car that had a list price over 40k, not worth near that now, but still pay that high tax, yet my use of the car is actually low. UK sucks if you are a member of the hive.
wait till they deem electricity as a transport fuel and price it the same as they would for enterprise use and not account for gran wanting to turn on the heater on a brutally cold evening.
Everybody pays for EVs, like you said.
Have you stopped voting for them yet?
So basically the "complexity" of the internal combustion engine is why it's cheaper to fix. Just replace the small part that fails and keep the rest. Cheap and good for the environment. With an electric car, you often have to replace the entire motor or battery pack, which is expensive and not so good for the environment.
You don't have to, the manufacturer forces you to.
Everything can be repair if you can get the parts, manufacturer's stop you getting individual parts.
@@Robert-cu9bmAfter a collision, the battery may still work, but the risk of fire caused by non visible internal damage may increase significantly. Are you ready to accept that higher risks? More importantly , is your insurance willing to cover that increased risks?
I think u will enjoy Mark Mills
When one of the wheel motors fail you need to replace the whole unit, not just the part that is broken
@@Robert-cu9bmthe problem is tge extreme energies involved. You need special skills to work on it. Its not something you should be doing yourself. Also the new structural battery packs can no longer be repaired. Its obvious they want to control the market.
I hit a deer. I went on facebook and got a hood, bumper cover, radiator support and fender for $400. Headlight on ebay was about $50. Obviously, I swapped the parts in my garage easily.
A fender bender totals a brand new 60k pollution machine, I mean EV.
yup, and that person running out buying another new car that used lots of oil to be produced from dust to the show room floor
That was quite inconsiderate of that deer
In AUS most ICE cars are thrown away when the value is ~$3k and they have a major fault that exceeds that value (like a bad transmission). In comparison EV's will drop from $20k-$40k value to zero once they need a new battery.
Even ice cars with a value of $3k can have second hand or used parts installed they do not need brand new ones and can be kept on the road as long as they do not get electronic cancer.
Looks like the zealots got mouthy since TH-cam is hiding their replies.
That is ridiculous. I have a 1968 Ford F-250 2 door, 2 wheel drive, 8 foot bed (that you can actually haul something in) that I built from the ground up. I've owned it for nearly 40 years. It's been through three engines, a couple of transmissions, lots of brake, steering, and suspension parts, and a few other bits and pieces. It has been infinitely cheaper to keep replacing parts than to buy a new total piece of JUNK truck. I have lots of body parts, a spare frame, and a rebuilt transmission and engine ready to go into it when it becomes necessary. I live in Arizona, U.S. Cars/trucks do not rust here.
@@geraldscott4302
Well done gerald, keep on trucking mate.
Best wishes from Wales.
@@geraldscott4302 I still have my 1965 250 4x from high school. Filled the bed half full of girls one night in 1977.
I bought a mid 90s Mitsubishi 4x4, unfortunately it was a total Lemmon, the previous owners had really abused it and eventually I found out the engine block needed replacing. It cost me about $1300 in the end. Still, it was a lot cheaper than fixing a 1 year old EV! 😅
A 1 year old EV doesn't cost you anything, as it comes with warranty.
Except when the battery has been impacted, as in this video, "sorry warrantee is voided, pay $60,000!"
@@roberthudson4440 You have an insurance for this.
@@roberthudson4440 It depends on the warranty. Some will pay. Check before you buy!
@@gerbre1Wow a free car. Where do I sign up 😆😆
And on top of that, the guy in the first example can be held liable in case his car explodes in a fireball causing collateral damage/injuries, IF he doesn't get the battery replaced. It's really a NO-win situation.
Good point! 👍
Very good point as the insurance will be void, but in the UK you won't get your car back from the insurance approved repairer so the public get protected from un road worthy vehicles
@darrenmurphy6251 That's true, and that would form a good reason for aware owners NOT to go and get their EV batteries checked after a minor incident like this. So... less safety all round. 😔
I expect comprehensive EV insurance to rise dramatically.
That gets very close to a Ransom.
I used to race electric RC cars and batteries were the most expensive part of the hobby. That was 30 years ago and nothing has changed.
120 year old electric car
and a new EV car as the same problem
BATTERIES
Q- What does an EV owner and a person with diarrhea have in common ?
A- They both hope they'll make it home before it runs out.
😂💩
How to know if someone you just met drives an EV;
They'll tell you.
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Lol 😂
@@dougfisher1813 Like vegans! 😂😂
The more electronic modules you have in a car the more it requires expensive specialist knowledge
to repair.
ICE cars are bad enough, but EV's in this respect are far more complex hence many are written off after
what appears to be minor damage.
The biggest expense is the battery pack which insurers are adding to the repair costs as they can't be certain
of their safety after a collision.
It baffles me why the industry didn't see this coming, only Toyota's ex chief had the courage to speak up,
now other major brands can't sell EV's.
"The more electronic modules you have in a car the more it requires expensive specialist knowledge
to repair."
Yep, it's the old problem of software vs hardware, it's not a new problem.
The appeal of software is it's flexibility, but this is also it's downfall. Anyone with a computer, phone, tv etc knows that this stuff gets outdated faster than a loaf of bread.
Hardware while less flexible, lasts far longer and and much, much easier to fix long term. Anyone with tactile skills can do it, unlike software which even a software developer can't fix unless it's an extremely precise set of technology that that person has already learned. I work in software, I know exactly how this works (or doesn't)
The biggest problem with new cars is not EV vs ICE, it's hardware vs software, and EV's are the worst offenders.
I can only agree, having spent a lifetime in electronics trying to make the hardware
reliable in harsh conditions is difficult enough, but to rely on software as well
is asking for trouble.
This isn't going to be resolved any time soon, the first person the find a way of writing
bug free software will make a fortune.@@gooble69
@@ibanezlaney EVs problems will never be solved until they are made from rainbow unicorn farts
Don't get it twisted... Major brands don't want to sell EV's and will make it hard for you to own one... They want you suckling at the gas tit forever...
It wasn't too long ago I was reading articles warning me of the hundreds of pounds it would cost to replace a catalytic converter or a master brake cylinder. But these EV battery costs are on a different level; actually two orders of magnitude higher.
Hello, I’m from Alberta and I love your channel. I would never own an EV in this part of the world. This EV business is thoroughly madness and can’t believe how some people are falling for it. Thanks for your information.
People have been falling for this same scam over and over. Sometimes it's EVs sometimes it's something different. But they always fall for it every time and they're angry at you if you don't.
I in Alberta to I asked electrician what would happen if 3 of us in this crescent bought a ev. He said, can't hook you up, there's not enough power
What has also became apparent to me from that Hyundai case, is that Anyone going out to buy a new EV needs to ask for it to be put on a ramp to check the underside before buying it, as essentially you could be buying a new vehicle that may have been scraped getting it off the ship or to the dealer and would already have a void warranty.
I don't know anyone who would normally inspect the underside of a vehicle when buying new.
I would be very worried about driving on imperfect roads.
Good point. But I note that inspecting the underside of a used car is a sensible precaution in all cases. Vehicles that have been driven off-road can sustain significant underside damage. Also vehicles driven in cold climates may have serious corrosion issues due to salt. Mind you, I for one, am certainly not rushing to buy an EV.
@@RUHappyATM any damage to the battery from driving is NOT covered under warranty
I like the idea of an EV for reduced maintenance because I work on my own cars but I recently bought a 60s car and it's so much easier to work on than most from the 90s+, they used to be designed for the owner to maintain them.
When you open the bonnet of a new car, there’s no space around the engine and few user-serviceable parts. I used to love my 80’s Fiat 127, so easy to work on!
Yes, they've designed new cars on the "throw away" principle. When it needs repair, just throw it away and buy a new one! That might work for TVs, but it really chaps my butt when it's done with cars. We expect a car to last a long time and be easily repaired when something fails!
@@charlestoast4051
Yeah, there were plenty of room under the bonnet, I can easily see my cat sleeping on the garage floor under the engine bay!
I have an 81 Camaro, that I've rebuild into a real machine. Easy to work on. My 2011 Ford f150 fx4 is a totally different animal.
As for the Rivian, I’ve seen several videos where a small, minor dent causes $40- $50,000 dollars in repairs. That’s because the Rivian uses a seamless rear section that must be replaced as a whole in order to be repaired to original status. Which is a most inefficient design. But wait… if you think the Rivian is bad?… Just wait until you get your repair bill for your Cybertruck. 😮
Simply support legacy car product, I have not heard of Toyota BZ repairs being major costs for a small ding. I keep posting on the MUNRO channel about the Tesla designs, they may be cheaper?????? But structural batteries, giga castings, Stainless steel bodies will surely be very expensive repairs for everyday minor dings. That which legacy car manufacturer’s have leant of years, is not common knowledge to the start up EV makers.
Nobody in their right mind would buy an EV.
@@larrymeyer2917 Not only stainless steel but "bulletproof stainless steel $$$". And no paint means no body fillers so the repairs will be cyber-expensive.
@@markmiller8903Anybody in their right mind is a very rare thing in 2023.
Yep, CTs will be written off so easily
My Citroën C4 diesel has a timing belt that needs replacing every 120,000 Kms so it's hardly a major maintenance problem. And €50 for oil every 20,000 Kms is hardly likely to break the bank. As for repairs, the turbo on the engine broke last year and cost €650 to replace and it was repaired in a couple of days.
@iscadeanWell you can't do that with a electric car 😂
Replace the oil at least every 10,000 or you'll pay for it down the track.. I do mine every 5,000 because I drive short distances most the time.
@@justice4gAbsolutely. Manufacturers quote these long intervals to reduce apparent service costs. As long as it survives the warranty period they are OK with it. No thought of longer term reliability.
@@justice4g depends on the oil type used.. semi synthetic and fully synthetic oil last much longer
can replace the whole engine if it goes bang for bout 1000 pounds in uk ev car 2500 for basic repairs stick with your c4 mate
The 2nd guy with the hybrid model was offered the replacement battery at half the initial cost AFTER he’d gone to the media! What’s that tell you?…
@@bens6674do you realize that most companies selling EVs are losing money? Just check their data
@@bens6674The dealers and car makers are separate companies
@@danielstapler4315 exactly. The dealerships are bound by the prices set from the manufacturers. If you buy ANY lithium battery, you will notice their high cost (EV battery to an 18650 cell). Ev batteries are huge and have complex components in them, hence the cost. If you can afford it, great, but most people just can't carry the cost of ownership.
That the repair still cost thousands of dollars more that it would to repair a ICE.
@@joshfoley8862 the average 18650 battery cost about 5 bucks.. there are up to 7000 of these in a battery pack.. that's 35,000 bucks
If they were only a motor and battery then more people may buy them. But they have more expensive tyres, stronger brakes, a regenerative braking system, complex charging system (you may just plug it in, but it's not that simple), an elaborate and expensive self-guidance system, built in touch screen computers...
If they were a battery and an engine I would look in to buying one as they would likely be cheaper than a regular car. I don't need a car that can drive itself or even has heated seats. Just some wheels and an engine. Which is what my 2004 Micra does at 61mpg. Better mpg than a hybrid and cheaper to run than a full electric with fewer emissions.
Wait until the touch screen fails, like my gen 2 Surface Pro.
@@RUHappyATMWhat touch screen?
@@varmastiko2908
Everything in EV is going LCD/Touchscreen.
The speedometer, Radio, mapping etc.
@@RUHappyATMYes and how is that relevant to what OP was commenting?
EVs in China are way ahead of the USA and they have all sizes at various price points. Our choices are luxo models with lots of gadgets, at high prices, for early adopters. OEMs are all designing $25K models for the mainstream get-to-work market. Volvo EX30 is an example. VW, Stellantis, Tesla all working on them. They are building many cheap battery plants and there will be a glut, so prices of batteries will fall. Once economies of scale get going we will see EVs all over. Since they are simpler, and much cheaper to run, the decision will be a no-brainer if you can charge at home.
Your Micra might not last forever , but nurse it along a few more years.
At one time I worked at a group of rural workshops. One of the shops purchased vehicles that the insurance companies said were beyond economical repair. They would carry out ‘economical’ repairs & sell them on.
That's hard to do now, with all the reporting agencies that exist, like Carfax, where you can see the history of a car. Insurance write offs will show up in a search, and in some places, non-disclosure of a car being an insurance write off, could buy you headaches down the road, if the buyers gets into an accident, and the car is found to be at fault. That car you made a quick couple of grand in profit on today, could end up costing you a lot more 3, 4, or 5 years down the road. Reselling cars bought from an insurance company wrecking yard, may even be illegal in some jurisdictions (I'm talking about globally, not necessarily locally). Then you have the unique case of Florida. If Florida issues a certificate of destruction on a car, you will never be able to get a clean title for that car anywhere in the United States. The car is only good for parts, or for export. Not for driving or reselling.
But they have to get a salvage title. Kinda gives potential customers pause.
These figures also exclude a one time battery replacement cost in the 10th year that could be $10-20k at one shot. Most ice cars don’t blow an engine in 10 years by just doing a couple hundred dollars of maintenance per year won’t add up to $10k-$20k.
Who says they have to replace the battery at ten years? They are warranted for that long, that's not the end of life.
Lol when the full charge range is 60 miles, so many people online who buy a 8-10 year old ev just to realize it won't make them to work and back and need an 20k battery pack, 10 years is old for a computer, your phone, battery power tools, look at the hover boards it's the same Chinese cheap crap going into the cars
I understand that these EVs cost more with new technology.
If a cell dies, you have to find which one or you get billed for the battery.
What gets me, is that gear boxes are made by the millions, yet when you need new parts, whether auto or manual, the prices are prohibitive. So basically we are being ripped off with everything.
and they told us ICe has too many parts and these EV has it solved. what are those battery ? they could failed independently. and you must replace one module even if your battery is that damage is only one or two. total, EV has more parts than ICE if you count the independent batteries that could failed
Most tranmission parts have good pricing, it just needs a lot of labour and someone who knows how to do it, most mechanics don’t have the knowledge to repair gearboxes
I’m pretty sure you can’t simply replace one cell? After all, we have always been told to replace ALL batteries in a torch etc.
I think the described issue will often have the same outcome. When an ICE car has worn engine parts, like crankshaft, valves, pistons, or indeed a broken transmission or single gear, this will often results in huge labour costs and expensive parts and thus the cars might be written off... The problem with EV is, I think, due to the way it is constructed, less repairable parts and less mechanics with knowledge, it will result in early write off.
@@johnnunn8688 They are currently not built with easily removal modules so you can test for and replace just a section of the whole pack. There is no reason it can't be done, but it just adds to the complexity and no doubt massive cost increase, making EV's even less affordable.
Repair costs of this magnitude guarantees that the resale value of EV's will diminish greatly. BTW-I saw a video on YT a couple of years ago posted by one of those car reviewing channels. They were doing a long term review on a Tesla and were very impressed with it. That is, until the driver accidentally backed the car into the wall. It was a very low speed impact and the body damage seemed slight. The repair bill came to $14,000 and there wasn't any damage to the battery, only the right rear quarter panel.
Really?
Fudging heck!
EVs already have horrific resale value and that's with the masses still not aware of all these huge costs. Then add the fact your vehicle's life span is ten years and you're lucky if you can get rid of it without paying someone to take it off your hands.
@@varmastiko2908 You will have to show us all the bargain 2nd hand EVs in Australia.
@@zoltrix7779I don't think there is such a thing as a bargain EV. But EVs with dramatic depreciation are the norm in most countries. I'm not aware of any EVs holding value in equal measure as a comparable ICE vehicle. Are you?
@@varmastiko2908 because its assumed that the battery pack needs replaced.. EV owners typically trade off the vehicle as soon as they see the repair cost.. so in effect they are cost shifting the damage to the person who buys the car from them
The nutters will say but costs will come down as the science and technology gets better. Over 150 years of science and technology has gone into EV's and still they can not compete.
.....and trillons of dollars........oh, and they exhausting the "periodic table of elements"
Nice electric motors but the battery is the problem.
I take that back due to the comment below.
The actual evs from the 1900 s were better than present evs
Just look at the 1902 ev Jay Leno has and it runs perfect every day
But still wasn't good enough to replace ICE cars.@@davidbarnsley8486
Someone touches your EVs bumper in a parking lot : *expensive repair cost anxiety intensifies*
In U.K. first responders are being told not to touch badly damaged EVs for a minimum of 15 minutes because of the possibility of shocks. They therefore cannot use jaws of life to cut into the roof to extract occupants for at least a quarter of an hour and even then there is considerable danger if they need to cut into the bulkhead. Let’s hope the battery doesn’t catch fire!!
they have "cut outs" basically a readily accisible large wire which can be cut to isolate the battery
@@andyman8630If you can get to it, be real.
I think that tale is absolute BS. Where an accident is severe enough to require “the jaws of life”, the airbag system would have deployed 1 or more airbags… which in most vehicles is connected to a battery disconnect contactor, cutting the supply off at the battery pack.
@@lukeclifton4392 Shh, don't confuse the haters with logic and facts.
@@dompapp4396
they're very easy to access and they're installed for this very reason
Was inspecting some brand new electric car batteries at a recycling business, could not believe how heavy these modules were compared to a lead battery of comparable physical size, these 'lightweight' lithium are just so damn heavy.
Lithium is light. But there's also Nickel, Iron, a whole bunch of Copper, etc.
nobody said they were light. Try a lead acide battery ion that size and you'll only get around the corner. lithium batteries pack a lot more power
Tthey are certainly are, unless we're talking EV . .
Having compared batteries for phones, motorcycles and 12v ICE car batteries. they are lighter for the size.
Yes, there was an obvious steel frame around the outer perimeter coner edges which wasn't enough to account for so much weight and these modules were like a regular battery size but around 600mm long and with connection and pipe outlets, simply could not lift one, only an end. they were kia or some similar make
The drive motors are also very unreliable . As soon as a coolant gasket stars to weep internally its all over . Furthermore the bearings are unlikely to last a long time either because stray inductive voltages can spark them and create pits in the balls of the bearings which begins a destructive process .
To make things even worse manufacturers are starting to combine the inverter and converter and other items into the motor units. And as a final jesture of spite they often disable these motor units after a crash so only the manufacturer can reset them meaning it's not easy to find and fit second hand motors.
Those parts need servicing in specialist workshops but most ev owners are unaware of the need hence the parts wearing out.
EVs are a scam. It's a money extraction scheme, separating rich yuppie fools from their excess income in the name of virtue-signaling to the Climate Gods. Anyone who's done a bit of research and cares about their personal finances won't touch an EV with a 100 foot pole.
@@amandajane8227 True, the dealer way is to do nothing and make lots of money when it fails. There are a very small number of electric car specialists who can do this service work. I would doubt there would be more than about 3 companies who would do that work in Australia,
Well electric trains don't have that issue why would a car?
@@elixier33Electric trains are in a whole different league, and are built for strength & reliability.
One video I saw had a man with a 2021 EV and he was on his third battery pack replacement because the first two battery packs were defective.Videos and information like this makes me want to rush out and buy an EV.
I saw the full Motormouth video earlier and can confirm it has put me off buying an EV completely.
Aside from damage repair costs and escalating insurance premiums, the incredibly fast technological advances are making new cars about as up to date as a new computer / mobile phone, i.e. they are outdated the day you buy them.
'throw away' tech! the real cause of global pollution! but they dare not ameliorate that! instead they'll continue pyssing in our pockets wiith imaginary anthropomorphic CC
I’m so thankful I was unable to find an EV in our price range when I needed to replace my wife’s car. She drives an average of maybe 5 miles per day, and there aren’t any compact, short range urban EV’s available. Now I can see that it will take many years before the repair and service infrastructure is in place for EV’s, and for their designers to figure out ways of reducing those astronomical repair and battery replacement costs.
EV'S need a better power source, like a flux capacitor.
Or a Brock energy polariser!
There's this fantastic, tried and true power source called an ICE.
You should look into it.
Close to it. Nicola Tesla's free energy tech would see a power source no bigger than a mobile phone and never needs charging. Such tech exists but is suppressed and the military get first use. DEWs are related technology and they can fire trillion watt lasers into the sky to bring down lightning and massive rain storms.
flux crapacitor
Better still, a clockwork spring you can wind up every few minutes. 😂
I had a collision repair shop for 30 years. There's a guy that has a channel "Teska Cam" or something. But I noticed on there, that repairs that would cost $3,000-$4,000 and take 3-5 days on an ICE, were costing $6,000-$7,000 and taking months.
I've repaired a couple of Camry Hybrids, but it was a fresh concept, and little was known. So insurance companies got by with cheaper repairs. I wouldn't let an EV in the shop today, and I bet the Insurance on the shop, and workman's comp would be quadruple, repairing their cars for them.
EV Tyre change is the new oil change 😂😂
Good point
I'm told they don't carry a spare
How does that meet ADR COMPLIANCE
Yep, i was talking with my local tyre shop guy and he was telling me how the torque is pulling conventional tyres apart.
@@garreysellars5525 Not just EVs.
Some ICE vehicles have been using run flat tyres for years now as well.
Good luck trying to replace them if you're outside a major city.
@@oldbloke204 yeah at least a run flat or space saver IS AN ACTUAL SPARE
@@garreysellars5525 So you don't know what a run flat tyre is then?
Maybe look it up,
No spare and a container with some goop that you pump into your tyre to hopefully plug a hole.
NO SPARE TYRE.
You're welcome.
A visitor to our home yesterday arrived in a Jaguar iPace. He said the range was so poor, he only used it for local buseness calls. He had a diesel Audi for longer trips. 😮
Insurance is $357 versus $248 pcm. In Thailand by Mazda 2 insurance is $300 per year. 2 services per year cost $100 each and I have only replaced a pair of rear shock bump-stops and 1 battery, $120, in 7 years. You can stick EVs where the sun dont shine.
Fact is that repairs to all motor vehicles have gotten ridiculously expensive.
yes, and as long as no one does their own repairs it will only cost more.
The amoubt of huge potholes here in Scotland would make driving an ev just crazy
Talking about Scotland, heard Tesla's billing a customer for a NEW battery "because they drove it in the rain"? What makes this worse is the car was still in warranty. - th-cam.com/video/pka9KaQh7DA/w-d-xo.html
I've just purchased a 2019 Ford Endura turbo diesel! Non of this EV crap for me & watching MGUY's videos reassures me that I've done the right thing, besides that - I reckon that I got the deal of the year! To MGUY & his subscribers, I say - have a Merry Christmas and a safe and happy new year.
I’m glad this information is getting out to the public so that they can make an informed buying decision. I’m sure the manufacturers would rather people not know.
Wow, you get a life "mate." Conflating diesel engines with gasoline engines. Conflating one car company with all of them. You must be one of those mouth foaming EV marketers.
@iscadean Diesel and gas are STILL cleaner than an battery powered car.. period.. they are also safer and cheaper to maintain over the long run. And I'm sure those thousands of kids working those lithium mines are really concerned about diesel fumes.
BTW.. exactly how many kids have been killed by diesel fumes? What nation? I want to see the cause of death on certificates.. so did they just put their lips on the exhaust pipe and inhale? Or is this all some environmental alarmist screaming but the kids are dying the kids are dying!
I'm also guessing you're one of those who think we are endangering kids by not confirming that they are a girl when they were born a boy.. and then screaming that unless we affirm they are what they say we are they we are responsible for them killing themselves.
As pointed out multiple times, Consumer Reports (a major consumer/testing magazine in the US) does an annual survey of owners for cars for what's broken, and it turns out that EVs are not particularly bad at reliability, but they're not particularly good at reliability. Mid-pack at best compared with normal cars.
The most reliable brands are Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Subaru, Mazda and a few others.
I don't own an EV! But my insurance has gone up by 50% in the last 2 years because of them! So don't think that it's just the owners who are paying the price.
ICE vehicle insurance premiums are going up due to how expensive EV's are to repair. I think EV's would have three own insurance fund and have to pay separate premiums from ICE vehicle owners. Then you would really hear the EV crowd cry.
There’s obviously government involvement, forcing insures to spread the cost among all drivers. Need some class action lawsuits,
@@charlestoast4051 its the way all insurance companies work.. they spread the cost to everyone, EV owners may bear a lot of the cost.. but the rest is made up for by the others who have a policy with that company.
I used to have an old IBM document, the Jargon Manual. I'm sure you can find it online these days.
It's definition for "lunatic fringe" were the IBM customers who would cheerfully accept v1.0 IBM software.
Value of EV is net 0,00 after warranty expired, one ICE car can drive more than 30 years and you still can sell it, nice difference 😉
Why do you think they want to ban ICE? They hate when you repair your 20-30-40 year old car they hate real ecologists.
EVs are expensive to own and that doesn't include depreciation and insurance
@lesklower7281 EVs are actually extremely cheap to own and run, and cheaper than an ICEV over the life of the vehicle. In the UK I can drive 250 miles (400km) for as little as £5. Repairs can be expensive but if you use an independent EV specialist rather than a main dealer costs are much more reasonable.
Not true. There are loads of out of warranty Nissan, Renault, and Tesla EVs on the road and for sale. There is also a strong market for used EV batteries for use as home storage or ICE to EV conversions.
@@jeremyradford5103 oh really I guess 50k for a Hyundai Is cheap now...also time is money you having to wait 1 hour ever 120miles will cost you something don't you think? The inability to tow, to relax and Just drive without having to plan every single stop is priceless.
So nice to hear a voice of reason. Thank you.
Great content as always
The whole reason for electrification of everything is about control of everything you do .gas for cooking and petrol diesel for vehicles far harder for them to switch off....
My good friend drives a new hybrid Merc. Mounted a curb to avoid a learner driver (who just drove off). It really was a nothing incident. Six months and £27,000 later he's just got it back. 🙄
well deserved, no business buying expensive battery electronic C R A P lol
This is why Ebikes have exploded in popularity. They're honestly simple with not having $20,000 of senseless addons bolted to them, just the battery and motor as EV proponents claim to have.
Here in the States, it's a fantastic option to have an Ebike, especially a reverse trike with an enclosure to beat the rain. Also fortunate in the States is that the police don't know or care about bicycle laws and will ignore you even if your bike is producing several thousand watts of power, so long as the vehicle has pedals and you're not going faster than 50 km/h.
I think the Rivian example given may be due to the body panels and shape, rather than the electrics. Rich Rebuilds channel covers similar issues he had repairing some body damage to his Rivian. But yes, if affect anything electrical, it could be painful.
A tesla expert had a video on here a few years ago.. He was exploring auction web sites, and found several teslas waiting to be bid on. ALL of them had been totaled by the insurance agency.. Why? A quarter panel and door skin were dented. The problem: Parts were VERY hard to get, and then, what about POSSIBLE damage to the battery... oops.
Speed humps and kerbs are killing BEV batteries. 2nd hand BEV has to be a big risk and will probably be reflected in insurance premiums. 🧐
If they track the EV with the GPS, and you have a claim, they, the insurers could say you went over a speed hump, so, sorry we can't pay you.
really? can you please provide a single instance of this?
@@badchefiIt’s kind of logical. If Hyundai man’s car got written off by what looks like a speed hump scrape or similar then yes, common sense would dictate that speed bumps are best avoided, especially in a low-riding EV. Don’t really need data to back that up.
@@simonchallenor1006Did you actually listen to this? Are you a robot? Or somebody who is special.
@iscadean Which is more likely to be written off by scraping a speed bump - an EV or an ICE? Game over, job done, intellectual exercise complete - now quit your whining.
as an example i repaired a 1997 vauxhall astra the other day replaced every ball joint front suspension the brakes and service for 400 pounds did a battery on an ev less than a year old not the main one but a small aux battery bout the same as a normal car battery 2500 pounds just for the battery and took 2 days to fit
Ah yes, just a motor and battery. Battery that is made of hundreds of fragile components, motor containing sensitive winding and magnets with finite life span, a complex computer, heavy electronics for power conversion, electric power steering unit, electric power brakes unit, miles of wiring, dozens of sensors, electric ac unit, an aluminium body that's a bi!!h to repair, and countless other things that can and will go wrong. But otherwise pretty simple construction. :D
Beware of price quotes. My local garage, now retired, had three rates, one for insurance claims, one for people from the area and one for his 'regulars' like me who used the garage exclusively. His wife was skilled at locating very inexpensive, good condition, used parts which she inspected before parting with any cash.
The EV has become the most expensive disposable purchase you can own, very much like a disposable e cig. But the costs also come from failures of the charging system, battery and computer systems, this for me makes them not fit for use. As a pensioner it’s a non starter.
I have a 24-year old 1998 Subaru Legacy Outback AWD wagon with 200,000 miles on it. Kelly Blue Book says it is worth $2000 US.
We spent $1500.00 at the service shop on it this fall replacing some belts, rear sway bars, ball joints, front and rear suspension bushings, and a fuel vapor system hose. I spent another $250 on OEM parts on eBay to DIY replace the driver’s side seatbelt assembly and both front headlight assemblies, and doing the headlight alignment with basic hand tools, saving myself about $300.00 in shop labor costs.
So, yeah, parts and service for the year almost equaled the “value” of the car. BUT compare and contrast this with owning a new vehicle, with taxes, fees, registration, interest payments, insurance, and depreciation.
With a driving range of over 300 miles in all weather, (even -25’C) AWD capability, and a 5-minute “recharge time” we will be miles ahead on cost savings and personal convenience.
The “value” of something you use and depend on almost daily is NOT what someone will pay YOU for it, but how much it will cost YOU to REPLACE it.
This is insane. A minor scrape on the underbody and the car's a write off. How about the 4WD EVs? How pointless will they be?
Not owning a vehicle or being allowed to travel is the future. The autonomous pod will only take you where the authorities allow you to go
4WD vehicles will actually fare a little better, because they at least have skidplates to protect the underside.
@iscadeanelectric motors are fantastic, no argument there.
The problem is supplying them with electricity in a mobile situation.
@@gamewizard1760the car in the video had a cover to protect the battery. But a scrape on that cover wrote the car off.
@iscadean And how many electric production cars have 1200 HP or more at the wheel... exactly 2... and both of them them cost over 1 million US dollars... you got that on your EV? Thought not.
I bought a Peugeot 306 2l turbo estate 17 years ago for $2500 second hand. It lasted for 7 years. Fuel consumption (measured multiple times by me) was 3.7l/100km. No EV now or proposed can even imagine coming close. Good luck!
You might want to investigate some other types of repairs as well. EV's are basically unprotected computer networks and there are starting to be problems with the fancy displays and million sensors and fibre optic cabling especially in countries where you get winter. Even in my regular vehicle if it is really cold you dare not drive till the interior is warmed up as the touch screens won't work and will do random things.
Indeed, you are correct.
The way to look at it is that an EV is essentially a very complicated laptop that just happens to have wheels and can transport people from A to Z - stopping at E, J, P, and T, to recharge, of course.
Name anyone with a laptop that hasn't had issues and almost thrown it out of the window with frustration!😂
You said it. I can afford a backup laptop but not a backup vehicle. @@andyroden8537
Just buy a simple EV and not a fancy one.
@@gerbre1 I owned a simple EV once.. only EV I ever owned.. batteries die after about 10 minutes of driving.. Stripped down model had no frills... no AC.. no heater.. no airbags.. heck you couldn't even see out the windows but it did have a radio and a blast to drive... Made by Tyco in the early 90s about 15 inches long and cost 50 bucks! lol
@@rodshoaf My EV has AC and heated steering wheel and heated seats in the front and in the back and ventilated seats. The best heating of all cars I ever owned.
The 12V battery is automatically reloaded from the big battery every three days when the car is off and not driven.
My trusted mechanic who can basically fix just about any car at really reasonable cost, just gave up on trying to fix some minor issues on a Tesla simply because it’s impossible to order the parts needed.
Even the smallest disruption of the battery encasement requires extensive repair,if possible,and probably will leave the vehicle inoperable.Most EV’s are relatively new,just wait till the fleet ages,you’ll be paying someone just to dispose of it,forget “resale” value
The older the EV gets [age of battery] the more reluctant Insurance Companies are to write coverage for the EV owner.....period
That will result in a fair few EV fires at night in the middle of nowhere as people will not pay to dispose of it but rather dump it.
You’re exactly right about the EV cookouts.What will happen is the actuarial tables will,already are, factor in these outrageous repair costs and accidental cookout fires and the damn insurance rates will exceed the car payment.
My answer has always been, small battery to handle surges in power needs under hard acceleration and a small onboard generator tuned to run as efficiently as possible at 1 steady RPM to power the electric motors, similar to how locomotive have been powered for over 60 years. You get the pros of the instant torque, better fuel mileage, etc., with the easy of just filling up a tank for the generator. The battery is much smaller and cheaper, etc.
Just bought four new tires and replaced the radiator on my old 2001 Hyundai Elantra. I had four used tires on there and my radiator had a leak. The total cost was $360. This coming spring or summer, I plan on deep diving into my 1970 Ford F-100, and really putting in the time and money to get it maybe not "as good as new," but to the point where I would confidently drive it every single day. I'm thinking it'll probably cost $1200, and most of that cost is going into a brand new bed, as I don't think I'll be able to salvage the current bed.
Meanwhile, I've seen repair bills on EV's for a single tire (which wear out faster than ICE vehicles and usually aren't covered in the warranty) go over the $400 mark
Exactly, and you’ve got a new bed as well so somewhere to sleep on😂
i pay less than $400 for a full set of tires, including fitting and balancing and it's a commercial vehicle which requires commercial vehicle rating
I saw a UK blogger talking about the extra cost of tyres for EVs due to them requiring stronger construction to deal with higher torque. Also they need replacing sooner due to extra wear due to extra weight compared to IC cars.
Wow, EVs are very expensive disposable cars got it 🤣😂.
Ev's should receive a massive sandwich of 2, 1/4" thick, hardened steel skid plates, with memory foam in between both plates, for armor, underneath the car. It would only add 400 to 500 extra pounds of weight....
EV's also mean an end to home servicing or repair, small (cheaper) repair workshops will eventually be forced out of business and all EV maintenance will have to be done by authorised workshops or the dealer, which is going to be WAY more expensive. All part of the plan!
Great video! I do want to offer a couple of thoughts: 1) Hybrids: I had my hybrid battery repaired on my Toyota Avalon hybrid for under $500. That got me another 20K miles. (From 160K to 180K). Replacement for that car from the dealer is $4K, but after market with a lifetime warranty is only $2500 (multiple sources). 2) EV’s do have some EV battery shops finally starting to pop up here in the US, they can do battery repairs much cheaper than the $10-20K replacement typically quoted (from Tesla stories). There also are some good battery recycling programs here.
All of that said though, this point of the video is solid. EV’s can be costly to repair. Maintenance is their strong suit. This is the problem with gov regs forcing EV ownership. It should be a choice, not a requirement. People also need to get quotes from multiple sources/dealers etc when doing battery work.
Would a repaired battery in a start up shop be more likely to instantaneously combust than a new replacement?
For Hybrids what I found was most replacements are remanufactured which likely means a reconditioned or rebuilt. I don’t believe these are any more likely to spontaneously combust than new. Also, while spontaneous battery combustion does happen, it is extremely rare.
EV’s have the lowers percentage by far or car fires than petrol or diesel vehicles. Hybrids are more likely than EV’s though but their wiring and power trains are far more complex than either an EV or a petrol or diesel because they combine both.
I watched a strip down of an EV motor, it was unbelievably complex, electronic circuit boards inside the motor casings and all electronic motor control systems being far more complex than an ICE.
We were an "early adopter" and bought an e-Golf in 2014. Initially, its range was about 115 miles but it is now about 80 miles and less if its very cold or very hot. VW quoted £10,000 for a new battery - 3 years ago.
We decided not to replace the battery, or the car but just use it for local journeys - for which it is excellent. Eventually, the range will be so small that the car will be unusable and then it will be scrapped.
It looks brand new and has only done 45,000 miles but we don't expect it to last more than another 5 years.
Contrary to some comments, EVs do need regular servicing. Brake pads and cabin filters need replacing and software upgrades are important.
We also have a 2014 petrol Golf and the e-Golf is on its 3rd sets of tyres whilst the petrol car has just started its second set after a similar mileage.
Thanks you, batteries have only a limited life time, and all these governments around the world saying " we will build battery storage for solar", as a 30 year off grid person , I've found the only use for used batteries, is to stuff them in pop holes, that kangaroos and wombats use, when going through fences. 😅
So you paid how much for a car that has only 45K miles on it and you'll be scrapping it afterwards because it will have zero value... why that's totally ecology friendly... I see you learned your lesson and got a ICE afterwards.
With a conventical petrol car you can work on and maintain it without worrying if it's going to explode in your face. Owning an electric car must be like having a normal car with a land mine where the airbag is supposed to be!💥
Car fires of fossils are higher by a factor of 20 to 60 compared to EVs.
If I'm not mistaken, when people rent a car they are asked if they want to purchase insurance for the trip. Most decline as their existing auto policy covers rental cars. You may wish to check about coverage on a rental EV if scraping the floorboard going into a parking lot can cost $20k.
There is another maintenance expense I have seen. Tires. Due to the comparatively higher weight and the faster acceleration of EV’s to ICE’s, EV owners find themselves replacing their tires more frequently-often much well below the mileage rating. If someone wants to purchase dedicated EV tires, they are more expensive. Compare, for example ,an all season tire to an EV tire of the same size. And as importantly, notice the warranty difference between the two. Everyone I looked at the warranty, was much lower on the EV tire.
The faster acceleration is down to the driver's right foot, nothing more.
My small EV van I can easily spin up the wheels from a start, but I don't, because I apply the power smoothly.
@@stuinNorway Like all things with human nature, if its there, human will use it. So by inference, most EV drivers will use the extra acceleration because they can. There goes your 'drivers foot' theory...
@@sajjie8121 "There goes the driver's foot theory" ? Not at all you have merely confirmed it. That drivers try to use more power than is needed, and so wear out the tyres far quicker.
@@stuinNorway I rest my case...
@@stuinNorway Set the accelerator to chill mode, and the pedal will be less sensitive to your inputs, and keep the traction force gentle.
What could go wrong?
How about maintenance costs doubling ?
How about buying tires at twice the rate you do now ?
how about your insurance rates going up?
How about having a minor fender bender and then you find out that your car is totaled ?
how about having your ev for a year and then finding out you need a new $25,000 battery.?
i thought one day i was inevitably going to own an EV. with each year that passes, that feels less and less likely.
Same here!
Only EV I've ever wanted was an RC.. because the real ones aren't worth it.
Same here. when they first came out in Australia, I did watch what was going on with them. and slowly over time, I've come to the realisation that they're not as good as they're made out to be, and actually worse in a lot of cases.
Parts cost is not the only issue. My daughter had $10k of damage to her $15k insured vehicle which was not drivable. Living in a regional/rural part of NSW, the repairer could not start repairing the car for 4 months due to being booked out. The car would needed to be stored at $100/day for 120 days adding another $12k to the insurance cost. The insurance company (NRMA) wrote the vehicle off. Our other car (drivable) after being rear ended, waiting to turn, was booked in for repairs 5 months later. More cars on the road, more damage, not enough repairers and this creates longer wait times and, for Insurance, it is cheaper to write off if the vehicle is un-drivable even though it can be repaired.
All modern cars are stupidly expensive to repair now due all the new safety sensors and pointless technology fitted.
Regarding EV's saw a news article stating that a wiper blade from Tesla for the Cyber truck will cost $165
not to mention $359 to fit it
@@andyman8630 question is what's the wiper blade made from and how labour intensive is it to fit it?
@@bentullett6068
back in the day you could buy just the rubber insert and fit it yourself - nowadays you have to replace the entire assembly!
it only takes about 5 mins to replace both assemblies, but they charge the full hour anyway, because they can!
eddit: and they pay the trainee about $20 an hour
@@andyman8630 Some of the assemblies can be refreshed with new (common/cheap) rubber inserts but typically the plastic assemblies themselves wear out so you can only do that a couple of times before you have to do a full replacement, even the old metal wipers wore out even if they were cheap to replace.
@andyman8630 true.
There was another case here in Vancouver Canada where a Hyundai Ioniq, which just fell out of warranty, ended up with a dead battery. The owner was quoted over $50,000 Canadian to replace the dead battery. Hyundai did nothing to help. The own contacted a news agency, Global News, where they reported on the absurd +$50,000 price to replace the dead battery in the EV that was just about 1,000 kms out of warranty. The owner could, of course, not afford to pay for a battery replacement, so he had to walk away from his Hyundai Ioniq. When the story broke with Global News, Hyundai Canada finally stepped forward claiming they would have done something for this poor customer. By then, it was too late. Curious that this person's quote in Vancouver Canada was just over $50,000 to replace the battery, whereas the cost to replace the battery in your video (again in Vancouver Canada) was just over $60,000. Why the $10,000 difference? Seems to me the car dealers are all over the map, price wise, gouging wise, when it comes to EV battery replacement quotes. All I can say is buyer beware!!!
This just in:
For the first time the used EV segment is depreciating faster than any other used car segment, and it is only expected to get worse because previous EV owners are going back to internal combustion models.
EV’s are done
EV depreciation is a bit higher than ICE cars but there are market forces at play, plus this always happens when the technology improves quickly over a short period. EVs are here to stay.
@@seannewman5391 Today GM just lost half of their Buick Dealerships because they refused to sell or repair EVs. Yesterday there was a 3 alarm fire at a GM EV assembly plant in Detroit that took almost a full day to put out because the batteries would start burning again after they were out... It was caused by a fork lift accident that pierced a single battery pack. If that had been a gasoline or diesel engine nothing would have happened except they would of had to scrap that engine. So a billion dollars worth of damages caused by a single battery pack fire?
@@rodshoafyeah this is a bad one and a small knockback for EV transition. I dont think this will change much though. Nobody died, I'm not sure $billions are involved.
There are always accidents as there have been in the fossil fuel industry. Plant, oil rig, oil spills, explosions etc. Lessons are learned. Its all part of the bumpy road to decarbonisation.
LFP batteries are already being used an thermal runaway in these cant happen. New batteries with similar properties are on the way.
Remember EV fires kill a few. Fossil fuel emissions kill millions. Global warming is and will continue to cost billions.
$357 a month for insurance? I pay $67 a month for full coverage with towing and a rental car - on an 18 yr old jeep.
This is all music to my ears. I am so happy for all those hybrid and EV owners out there. They think they are so virtuous, so let them pay for their virtue.
Depends on the hybrid, toyota nimh battery repair is cheap and the battery much better protected. Hybrid owners get shat on by the EV types too and we don't go around telling everyone that we have a hybrid. That is so moronic.
I don’t think it’s fair to place Hybrid owners in the same basket as crayon-munching EV owners. Hybrids are the greenest and most economical option and they last as long as an ICE car. Plus you never hear people touting they have a Hybrid or how much better it is… they just get on with their day like other ICE drivers, they have nothing to prove! 😜
What do you mean by hybrid? You can buy a reconditioned battery for a Prius or Camry for under a grand these days.
@@lukeclifton4392 There is nothing "green" about hybrids. The batteries are the main culprit, naturally. Production and disposal of them are far from green, and they have a finite life. No comparison to a conventional ICE vehicle, which can often run for 60 years if there is no rust (well, modern ones will never be able to run for that long, but still...).
@@yggdrasil9039 The battery for my 2005 Scion costs about $80. For a grand, I could get 3 sets of very good tires.
The crazy thing is how tesla says making a cast chassis in one piece making it cheaper to make, well imagine if it gets bent from an accident, the whole thing has to be removed. instant ride off which insurances don't want to pay hence they are double the costs
Tell the customer the battery is buggered. Sell him a new one and we will keep the good old one. A perfect perk
More or less the same thing even if the pack is "failed", since battery packs typically have one cell go bad long before the others rather than the whole pack uniformly going bad. Charge customer $40000 for a "new" pack (can even give him a few grand for his core, because you're nice...and you're still making boatloads of money) and send him on his way. Plug your dealer diag tool into the "dead" pack and have it tell you what cell or module needs to be swapped. Put in a new $2000 module where the computer tells you at the cost of a couple hours of technician time at $150/hr, and flip the dealer certified totally good refurb pack to the next guy for another $40k. You made almost $38k return on a spend of $2300 simply because you have the dealer-only tools to interrogate what's wrong with it and then bless it as good after repairing it.
I don't know how often this happens, but it almost certainly does happen.
Does buggered mean fucked?
My new Renault EV appears to have been faulty from the day I drove away from the Dealer, as after just 2 miles the internal and main headlights failed. Switching off and restarting got everything working again so I assumed the problem had beeen me pushing the wrong button on the steering wheel. Within just two months 6 other faults appeared mostly in connection with wet weather when the lights, SatNavand rear camera would fail and seat belt, airbag and boot alarms sounded. I returned the car to the Dealer who charged me £120 per hour to 'investigate' seven faults. They found just one. The faults kept re-appearing but despite more 'investigation' charges after owning the car for a just single year I traded it in for a signifcant loss.
They have to write off the car when the batteries get scuffed up, because they don't know if they are still good, or are a ticking time bomb, waiting to explode. Writing off the car now, may be cheaper than having to pay off a bigger claim, that includes medical bills, later. They might even get sued for NOT writing the car off, when they saw the battery was damaged, and that contributed to an injury, or death, when the battery caught fire.
Agreed, and it’s hard to imagine any kind of solution. Protecting the battery, say by adding another floor underneath it will not only add weight and complexity but also make inspection and repair even more difficult.
I 've wondered about this myself, the adding of a skid plate might hinder cooling wind flow, not sure if that's a concern@@charlestoast4051
One for the algorithm, love your commentary style, always interesting content. Thanks for sharing
I had such high hopes for EV’s, just don’t think they’re ready for prime time yet. 😢 Seen far too many battery fires 🔥… great work! 🙏🏼
I have never seen an ev on fire in person. I have seen a lot of ice cars on fire and couple of gas stations. I feeel if you have not seen an ev on fire in parson it does not count. Get out of your echo chamber. This guy is the main stream media that wants clicks. If someone only tells one side he is not entitled to an opinion.
The battery is just a storage for energy like a fuel tank. If i fully puncture the fuel tank then a replacement will cost £1000-1500 depending on car and you back on the road. And other advantages punctured tanks will not cause fire for 99% but if you puncture the battery pack then fire its guaranteed in 99.99%cases.
It's not just a place where energy is stored though. Battery is an electro chemical reactor.
@@cyruslupercal9493 Electrochemical reaction is the principle of a cell's energy storage, but it's still only doing the job of storage. You can never get more energy out than you put in, and for the most part you get out quite a bit less because you lose energy to heat both on charge and discharge.
So wait - EVs don’t have cabin air filters? Because I bet those still need replacing. Not everything in a car is about the engine.
And the best part is that insurance companies will spread the high ev repair/writer off costs among ALL their customers.
So not only are you paying for EV insurance, you're also paying for EV purchase subsidies.
What a great time we live in....
They’re probably forced to do that by our WEF controlled net zero governments.
We have speed bumps in the next village to me that scrape the bottom of most cars going over it, as they were made wrong i.e too high with no ramp up towards it as normal speed bumps do (its more like a curb across the road) who becomes responsible for the damage if an EV gets damaged?
In theory, the village government or the county government, depending on who is responsible for the roads. That may vary by state or country, but I know my state has an online car damage form for damage due to potholes and other road hazards that are the government's responsibility to fix (i.e. not debris on the road and such).
I suspect a few claims will result in that bump getting fixed faster than any road repair you've ever seen.
@@willythemailboy2 No.. it's not the town or village.. they have governmental immunity.. it will be you and your insurance company who have to foot the bill.
If you damage the exhaust pipe by hitting a stone in the road, you don't need to change the engine and gearbox, a new pipe is quite cheap in comparison.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I live in B.C Canada, a lot of the speedbumps we have here are nasty. I wondered what would happen to one of these climate saving miracles after a little booboo like bottoming out on a speed bump. Love it.
A lot of 2e, 3e or even 6ehand ICE cars get a new life in Africa or South America, EV's are not going to make that trip. So, where are the recycling companies in the Western world which proces these cars and who pays the costs for environmental friendly removal?
I am quite sure it is the tax payer that is paying like always. But don't worry I sleep better at night nowiing I am helping the fat cats get richer with their scams.......not.
Speed bumps, curbs, rusty exhausts, stripped tyres, deer, lumps of tree and all manner of debris. It’s a driving minefield out there and the thought of a hugely vulnerable battery just inches from the ground frightens me. I do have high riding hybrid but the relatively small battery is well clear of the road, although I am aware of the potential pitfalls.
@iscadean you just keep drinking that Jonestown kool-aid don't you. lol
What gets me is, the new Prius uses a battery about 4 times the capacity of the original Prius. If you just want to get the fuel efficiency benefits, the smaller battery is enough. I'd love if you could choose the battery size on a hybrid. That way, if you didn't want to use it as a plug-in you could just get the small battery, save a chunk of money, and it would be cheaper to replace in the future.