But the damn politicians are in bed with the corporations who want to force EVs on us. And after they all make a tremendous profit with regular citizens holding the bag, they’ll move onto the next big thing(AI) WS is dumping Tesla
In Alberta during the cold snap we got an emergency alert saying the power grid was near failure and we needed to conserve electricity to prevent rolling blackouts, That included charging your EV. Lived here for almost 40 years and never had an alert like that. And they really think we're going all electric? Not a chance.
We lived there back in the 1960's , cheap power and gas and the winters very bitter but then Canadian winters usually are ! I can remember one year of -30F for a month , cannot imagine how an EV would manage without a heated garage and constant charging .
There's a concerted effort by the WEF Stooges to remove energy from those pesky Carbon Dioxide Emitters called Humans and put as back into the Stone Age while they try to control us with their High Tech
Well, strictly speaking there are a few pitfalls for gasoline/diesel cars. When extremely cold running your car may ruin its engine. Car's oil viscosity allows you to run it strictly under some temperature conditions. Plus diesel fuel may freeze, especially if its not arctic variant of such a fuel(which works down to -40 C).
@@lessgrep In extreme cold, we use electric engine block heaters to keep the engine somewhat "warm" so it will at least turn over to start. Otherwise if the car sits outside all night in -40 it probably won't start.
Thank you EV owners! I appreciate all you do during your EV ownership. People like you help me make educated decisions. Well done. Well done. Guess I’ll go out and enjoy the subzero temps.
Quite honestly if you’re going to buy 45,000 to 70,000 Tesla. The least the dealership could do is offer a Briggs and Stratton gasoline 8500 watt generator loaded on to the back of the car for those emergency situations.
To mimc the smartiest vice president of the US after Joeyy, we can represent this as a Wenn diagram. One circle is EV angelists (lets face it, most of the owners are), second is climate alarmists and other green goonies, the last is a bit tricky, it is not just dumb but TDS level dumb people (not perfectly defined, but lets go with this). The overlapping part of these would be about 99 % of all the circles. There is a list in universe, to tick lines to define an utter moron and among many lines are these, drive an EV, have a severe case of climate-anxiety and suffer from TDS or local equivalent of conservative values loathing.
I for one am really grateful to all those who went out and bought EVs. If it was not for them we would never really know just how terrible they are. So thank you to all of them for showing us what living with EVs is like..
Well when new products appear in market we consumers do need guinea pigs to test them out and report every flaw so that We can make a well-informed purchase decision. Kudos to these volunteers who sacrificed their wallets in order to save ours - and we don't even need to pay a single cent to them!
Many countries still want to mandate them. The real reason is likely control, as they're all internet connected. They can be geo-fenced to not be able to leave a certain area, or taken control of or turned off (even en masse)
I went on a long business trip on Monday that greatly depleted my petrol tank The rest of the week was just going to my normal workplace (8 miles away). Yesterday, on the way back from work, I was half-way down the red "nearly empty" warning zone on the gauge. I popped into a petrol station, and less than ten minutes later, it was full and I was back on my way home. Good luck with that situation, EV owners.
I was low on fuel the other day and drove by a charging station which caused me great anxiety since I was in a hurry. I then remembered that I was driving an ICE vehicle and popped into a gas station for a few minutes for my normal sip of gasoline.
It's winter and I haven't had a bit of range anxiety. I stopped at a supercharger yesterday, spent a few minutes shopping, and came back per schedule with my battery charged, but the cool thing was their kwh price was less than what I pay for home charging.
@@Audioremedy0785is there anything you learned in school? Unless you have a heated garage, it will take you the same 2 hrs to charge, depleting electrical grid, that often in these temps, will have brownouts, or total collapse. Will you have to find a shelter for yourself, then? Besides, putting charging station at home is $$$ and unaffordable for many.
As an electrical engineer, the most glaring problem with EVs is that we simply do not have the grid capacity to power a national EV fleet. A few months ago some colleagues and I did the analysis for California - Australia is similar. In order to create the same "power to wheels" as currently provided by gasoline and diesel, California would need to double its generation capacity. And so would Australia. And that is even taking into account local solar-powered charging. To power a vehicle with "renewable" energy would require a 400% increase in renewable output. These figures are absolute fantasyland from an engineering perspective in countries where they cannot meet current electrical demand even without an EV fleet. And it's not just the generation capacity that would need to be doubled - every powerline, every substation, every transformer would need to be replaced. In Australia that's not millions or billions but trillions of dollars of investment. It is NEVER going to happen and people need to understand that. And finally, for those who keep insisting that even if you power EVs from fossil fuels they still generate lower CO2 emissions than ICE vehicles, there is precious little engineering evidence to support this despite what the US Department of Energy website claims. The assumption there is that if you replace one ICE vehicle with one EV then you get lower emissions and that part is true. However, when you replace the national ICE fleet with EVs - and you have to put in vast amounts of new power generation/distribution infrastructure, that assumption no longer holds.
And if you drive and need a 4x4 and tow a van or boat your up shit creek , not available in Australia ,and if they were their almost useless with normal driving and a hopeless waste of time towing , get a LandCruiser , range not towing 1200 kilometres , range towing 740 kilometres,plus Jerry and if you want ,👍
As a resource investor there is not enough Copper left on planet Earth to make this work, we need to increase production by about 5x but all Copper mines have declining production because we have been mining the stuff for 3,000 years. At current production it will take 200 years to dig up the necessary Copper and that's assuming we can find new mines.
Last i read 30% of the electric Cali has is imported from other states. The other problem is as pointed out during this video cold temp's are don't go well with EV batteries for charging or driving.
During summer over here in Australia we are sometimes asked by the power companies to turn off our air con to reduce the strain on the electricity grid. Will EV owners be told not to charge their cars for the same reason?
If it gets cheap enough, it might be worth it. I'm waiting for the market to bottom out on Teslas, and then buy one for pennies on the dollar. It could get to the point where nobody wants one and they're practically giving them away.
Often overlooked is that with a gasoline or diesel powered car, you have 100% of the tank available no matter the weather or time of day. If down to E, you still have a distance available, and when you fill up again, that puts you back going immediately. EV's offer none of this sort of utility, they're a dud.
Also add that if you do run out of liquid fuel (petrol or diesel or kerosene) you can always use a suitable container to transport and refuel. If you are a 100% electric or LPG then you will need to be towed.
And you never need to 'pre-condition' your fuel tank. In all my years of vehicle ownership, I've never had to think about the tank, or anything related to it for that matter.
On top of that most ICE car drivers do not have to fill up every day. When it comes time to fill up it takes 3-5 minutes and you are good to go. EV. Need to be charged likely daily and it takes hours at 240v. To fully charge an EV.
I bought a Volkswagen ID3, and now I wish I hadn’t. I live in the Portsmouth in the UK, where the weather isn’t as cold as the North. I’ve had it just over a year now, and it truly doesn’t like the cold. Once the temperature hits 0/2* Celsius the cars operation system closes down and takes about 10 minutes to reset itself. If I would’ve known this I would never have got one. And the cold does drain the batteries very quickly, but they don’t tell you this when purchasing the damn thing.
@@toby2581 Because people tend to believe what they are being told by the governments, scientists and sadly all the BS the car companies tell them. Tesla have been lying about their amazing cold weather capabilities for years and way to many people, including politicians have believed them. And other EV makers have needed to do the same to compete with Tesla.
You are right Robert. Thanks for that. That is just another thing to add to my mile long list of reasons to never ever buy an EV. Here in the north eastern part of Australia we don't get cold enough to effect the EVs. We just have thousands of miles of no grids or charging stations instead. I am finding it harder and harder to see anything good about EVs.
But, but climate activists say EVs are the best thing to happen to the environment! At least if you die burned to a crisp at the seat of your EV, you have done your duty to save the environment☺️😜
@@HaigEngineeringIm brazillian, in some places here its arid as a desert, or so humd you can "drink" from the air. Our roads are awful and in some places it rain every day all year round. I cannot imagine the danger having an EV here must mean.
Often driving an ICE on a long journey you’ll see your range go UP, because your consumption has gone down. I cannot ever imagine that happening in an EV…
I got an EV Uber in the dead of winter once. The driver was wrapped up in a huge puffer jacket, hat, scarf and gloves. No heat, no radio and it was colder inside than a freezer locker. He had a whole sob story prepared as to why he can't run the heat but it was obviously because it killed his range. Very unpleasant car ride, luckily I was dressed well but since you are sitting on the cold leather and not moving, I did shiver. I refuse rides from any Tesla cars now.
well, they have 3.5kWh electric heater.. so if you dont have much battery :D But all EV owners always say "turn off heat, only use seat heater" to save energy.. so well..
@@AndrewTSqHow do they defrost the front windshield without hot air cabin ventilation? Do they have transparent resistive traces in the front windshield?
There is another risk no one mentions. When it's snowing and icy, they tend to add salt on the roads. That get's splashed onto your underside of the car. If that gets to the battery you'll get problems in time. I guess in a few years, more people who used their EV's during winter will have such problems to deal with.
Ha , har , it's even More involved than that , the battery has 2 be Serviced , requiring a battery tech , those Batteries are Heavy and Require NO , Mistakes HA , HAR , 😂 , , ,
yeah, that really is going to be interesting. I think most of the belly pans for those things are aluminum. I'm curious what will happen with bolts and fasteners and seals when they are getting effectively pressure washed with brine for several months.
👍👍I have been considering that also along the same lines since batteries exposed to salt.. not just the corrosion... but... well.. it will help expedite a fiery experience.
Not more than 10 days ago there was a bad weather in Denmark with a lot of cars stuck on a highway for 20-30 hours. While the services were bringing petrol to the ICE owners so they could run their cars for heat, the EV owners had to go in other people's cars so they don't freeze to death.
I`m going to Hell, I had a vison of sat "toast warm" in my ICE car in a T-shirt while a Tesla driver is tapping on my window with icicles hanging off his nose and I just turning the music up and not making eye contact 🤣
The real vulnerability with them is they can be mass disabled due to internet connectivity. That's the whole point of the shift. Fully remote controlled cars. On/off as well as actively controlling their movement. Certain people not friendly to whoever holds certain seats of power might find themselves lunging their moving vehicles into oncoming traffic suddenly and unexpectedly. They must have been depressed, the news will say.
Okay whose EV shall we short the batteries first? We need fire and heat now or we all freeze like popsicles. Any volunteers? It's for saving the environment. 🤣
Thank you, great report. We have been saying this for a while. They are a death trap here in Canada. Some might still be stuck in denial, but reality eventually always catches up👍
@RichardZeissig haha, physics tells you, they do not charge/work at -40 Celsius. We drive ours without plug in to -30 C without problems, an hour on the block heater in the -40's. So clearly you don't seem to have a clue. But it's your pain, not mine. If there are battery issues bring them in the house and charge them, or replace for $120 yourself. No shop needed. No insane replacement or other costs. Here, they are simply a death trap and will not get us where we need to go. So pointless to own.
I love my Tesla. I've had it for almost 3 years, but I also live in Texas. It rarely gets that cold here. If I lived up north, there is no way I would own an EV. I put a lot of miles on my Model Y, but I only drive it in the city. It's very economical to run. I have the luxury of also owning a gas Chevy Suburban for road trips, because there is no way I would use the Tesla for that. If you can only have one vehicle, do yourself a favor and DO NOT BUY AN EV. They are not ready to completely replace gas cars.
most EV owners that drive alot and like the EV are like you, who owns a gas car as well . but that's not realistic for millions of people who dont have the luxury to own 2 cars. your EV is a toy and excluding the gov funded incentives that's your business to have a toy but for the average person who drives 12-15,000 miles a year and has 1 car thats never going to be viable
The all time record cold temperature in Texas is just an average winter day in Canada. On those days a Tesla will still work fine. But we are talking about -30°C to -45°C temperatures that we had here (in Alberta) that caused the problems with the grid and with some EVs. I know one guy with a Tesla at work. He was there today, so it obviously worked for him, but he also gets to plug it in at work. Which isn't an option for many people who have to go to work in the cold with no ability to charge while there.
Same here in Norway. In Oslo over 1000 scheduled services for the city’s busses were cancelled due to charging and poor range. It’s a complete disaster.
One could say a planned disaster, because they would have known from basic chemistry/physics and experience with ANY battery in cold weather what was going to happen.
This is what people call: growing pains. All these problems are because of very cold winter in rich countries. You see far fewer problems in say California or Texas. EV is getting better every day. The engineers are working hard on the issues, there are way less problems in warmer climates. But they will be better next year, and year after next.
Its true and i believe batteries may become way better at some times in the future. The problem is there are large swats of land that regularly experience severe cold. We can’t all live in Texas, California or Central Europe. The EV buses the labor/green party demanded be purchased in 2019 cost 100 million dollars in 2024 value. That was for 70 busses and a huge charging infrastructure charging park. They will now after just 4 years be sold because they have too short range and don’t work in cold weather. A nice learning experience for the taxpayer and those unfortunate buss users that couldn’t get to work.
Best part of that Chicago story, which wasn’t shown, was a kid at the charging station who was laughing and said, “There’s a bunch of dead robots out here!”
Exactly, that was the best part. EVs are the future, eh? I give them less than 10 years to become obsolete. One of my clients has a Chevy Volt for 8 years, then it went to crap. It was too expensive to fix, so they took a loss. What's genius is, they then bought a Chevy Bolt. A car lasting 8 years and then scrapped, so let's buy another piece of junk. Smfh
Simon, I found you at 15K subscribers.. 46K a month or so later... You're absolutely crushing it!! Thank you for your voice of reason and sanity... The end of this 'green' madness is long overdue...
@@mguytv Keep on producing and you will hit one million subscribers. You are doing important work that needs to get out there. Hopefully you won't get shutdown by the environmentalists.
@@windsolarupnorth7084 i suspect many of the same people struggling with their EV's are now subbing to him lol. someone they would have likely fought tooth and nail back when they believed in the whole EV bullshit.
These EV's are exceptional as long as there are moderate temperatures. But hot and cold temps are not a problem as long as there are fleets of gas powered taxis, ubers, and tow trucks to come to the rescue.
On a recent MacMaster video, he encountered two British Telecom Openreach (landline/broadband provider) vans parked at chargers. He spoke to one of the engineers inside: "How do you like having to use an electric van now, compared with what they previously gave you?" The engineer replied: "It's great! We now get to spend a third of our working day sitting at a charging point, messing about on our smartphones, while still getting paid the same wage!" Meanwhile, presumably, the customers are having to wait even longer before an engineer turns up to do an install or repair... How very efficient... :-(
A third of his working day? Really? The average ev will take at most around 30-40 minutes to get full battery. The working day is 8-9 hours. If you plug it in before you go on lunch and before you go home for the day you have two fill ups that cost you no actual work time. 1/3 of 8 hours is roughly 4-5 charges. Do you really think these guys are charging their van 6-7 times per day? Think it through before you trash on something.
@@blaeshoflen8663yes, I believe they will spend close to 1/3 of their shift charging. They are probably operating bigger vehicles than a Tesla. And it’s pretty cold right now. Think it through
not to mention the gear they would have to cart around with them so thats all added weight. we all know how adding weight(towing) in EVs is super dooper efficient🤣
From Cheyenne Wyoming here. Had Temps of -14 with a windchill of -49. Have an ICE SUV parked on driveway outside. Hubby started engine with remote on keyfob before he needed to leave and it was nice and toasty when he left for work. No EV's for this family.
I want to thank the owners of EV for resetting the weather... sorry, climate.... back to the way it was 70 years ago. Yes, it got very cold in the winter, and yes, we had lots of snow. This winter is normal weather for North America. You've made a difference with your purchase and I can only encourage you to buy more EVs.
They at Davos forgot to refer to natures weather or the Kklimytte Airforce's spreading of liquid nitrogen, pathogens, poisons, graphite etc...the great lithium battery is a total farce in extreme weather conditions 😅
@@Plisken65 We don't want the useless things, I for one will be using my petrol car for as long as I can. I wouldn't drive one if you paid me. It's like sitting on working microwave oven 😂
I saw a show on Netflix with Ewan MacGregor and another chap rode EV motorcycles from the southern tip of South America to California. In the cold weather in Chile, they had to bring the motorcycles into their hotel room to try to charge them. Then they had the nerve to laugh at their cameraman who had to later wait an hour for a gas truck to gas his gasoline motorcycle. The left isn't going to let us keep internal combustion engines because many of them are heavily invested in EV components. Vote them out!
Thanks for the heads up on MacGregor! That should be a good watch. Few years ago I watched his long way down , he's awesome! Like him in Moulin Rouge too.
wow you politicize EV's ?? are you so dense? Here most EV drivers in my country are right wing. Because it makes financial sense in business terms. MONEY talks. You are just emotional and put everybody in left and right corners. The world isn't so black and white my friend. Anyway im a right wing voter in my country, but not the populistic right wing.
@@HermanWillems I politicize it because the leftist in government are abusing their power to push it. Gavin Newsome has already banned internal combustion engines after 2035 and other states are following. Biden is stopping oil drilling leases to artificially drive up gas prices. You're damn right it's political. I don't give a damn if someone wants to waste money on this but they want to force me to buy them.
Ewan's mate is Charlie Boorman, actor, TV Presenter and ex Dakar motorbike rider amongst other things. The guys were loaned a pair of R&D versions of the Harley Davidson Live Wire bike for the 13,000 mile trip from Argentina to LA. Also some of their support team were in R&D versions of the Rivian electric pick-up trucks. The cold played it's part on charging and performance. In some cases they had to use a standard domestic electrical plug to charge their bikes when staying in guest houses as the EV infrastructure hadn't been rolled out yet. As with all the "Long Way" series, Long Way Up is well worth a watch.
I have to say that when I got up in the-20 Celsius and turned the key in my gas powered car and it started right up.None of my gas disappeared over night. By the way every gas station I passed didn’t have cars 🚗 parked waiting for fuel.
Got in my LEAF this morning in 8 Fahrenheit. Pushed button, drove off. Low center of gravity incredibly stable on slick roads, regen more stable than tapping the brakes to slow down. Heat worked fine. And plenty of range for the 30 mile commute home. It's not a problem if you know what you're doing. The folks in Chicago clearly dont.
@@Plisken65 Your example does not reflect the reality of the EV problem. Chicago is only one example of many. Where I live we only see EVs in nice weather. Once the winter cold and storms hit you wont see an EV anywhere. They know they are not reliable.Its a novelty. Nothing else. They will never replace an ICE.
@@Plisken65 Yes, perfect for 30 miles. Had Volt similar situation. On 120v home charger for 6-8 hours, 25 mile drive to work, 25 mile home... Back on charger. Must think twice which vehicle to take if running errands/shopping... anything out of usual commute. Heaven forbid driving in salted slush, saltwater invasion = multiple catastrophic electrical failures
We have known this in Sweden for years. EVs have no waste heat to warm the car with. There has been a similar issue with trains for the past 60 years. Heating and ventilation is a significant component in the energy consumption of trains. When trains were hauled by steam locomotives they could be heated by waste exhaust steam, or a direct draw-off from the boiler at about 80% efficiency. efficiency. When trains are electrically heated the efficiency drops to less than 30%.
I saw a few Teslas on the road yesterday as they passed me, around -9 f to 6 f, Teslas have a distinctive look, and are easy to spot, when sitting up as high as I do in the truck. Now this is just an observation from my seat, everyone driving these Teslas was bundled up like that kid in "The Christmas Story", and I mean bundled up, as in they had no heat. One woman looked like she had a few coats on and multiple scarves, along with a heavy winter hat. The only way you knew she was a person was her sunglasses peering over the steering wheel from underneath all of the winter clothing. Also, all of these drivers were wearing gloves, like again, they had no heat in the car. Something more obvious, the window defrosters did not look to be working in any of them. I was actually surprised to see any of these on the road yesterday, especially in this cold of weather.
BUAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! That's freakin' hilarious!!!! AHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! I only do work in the cold if I'm getting paid, and work provides the uniform... BUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA................(legend has it, I died from too much laughter. Next time they tell you it's the best medicine, remind them of "The Melt" (that's me!) and teach them thar doctors that the difference between medicine and poison is dose, those damned dummies!!)
I live in montana and people are moving up here from california, oregon, and also washington(much to my dismay). And every winter the used car dealerships get flooded with teslas. Which are then turned around and sold back in california.
I fly RC aircraft in the UK and to do so I have to read the CAA drone code and pass a test confirming my understanding. The hobby predominantly uses Lithium batteries and one part of the code warns that these batteries do not hold their charge as long in cold weather which will limit flight times and range, and demands that we account for this to be able to fly safely. The CAA are a government organisation so the government blooming well do know that Lithium batteries don’t work so well in the cold.
@@mguytv Its much much much more important to get people into digital vehicles that can be turned off with the push of a button remotely. You can't have those pesky peasants moving around to places you don't want them now.
@@arc00ta If China does invade Taiwan keep a sharp look out for their EVs grinding to a halt on the roads as they can I assume be firmware bricked in an instant. Has anyone reverse engineered the code running in these cars and its vulnerability? The UK government is running hell for leather away from any Chinese involvement in networking but their code running in the people's cars travelling at high speeds seems to be no problem. This same government will of course run hell for leather in to any war that flares up anywhere on the globe despite near non existent defense expenditure. Will the governments even care if there are dangers whist this fanatical climate agenda overrides everything.
It's quite common in Canada for ICE cars to be fitted with engine block heaters and remote start. This means the engine oil/coolant is.already warm when you start the car.
I live in Saskatchewan. Our temps for the last week have been -30 to -50. I have been out and about in my gas powered Tacoma and haven't seen a single EV rolling. Not that many here were dumb enough to buy an EV. Your channel has great insight into why I should maintain my current vehicle long into the future.
I've been out in my BMW EV and it's been fantastic. Hello from Indian Head. Sorry you're taken in by this nonsense. Never will we return to an ICE vehicle. The EV is better in almost all regards other than winter range and speed of charging. These only matter on a long road trip and even at that, not that big of deal.
The biggest vulnerability of EVs is something that nobody talks about...the fact that they're "connected" cars and can be disabled en masse with the push of a button by some unknown person far away.
They can do that with most of all the new ice vehicles too. I have a 2023 Colorado and I’m sure all my electronics can be shut down remotely rendering it useless.
Now you are seeing the big picture. Again, it is not about the environment, or "saving lives" it is about control. Plain and simple while the politicians and celebrities who push all this nonsense fly around in their gas-powered jets.
@@adrianfres2185 You don't have has much power over an ICE vehicle especially one with a manual. Interesting how they over that last few years politicians have been finding ways to phase out manuals. If it was not for the push back from enthusiasts, all manuals would be gone by now. Without the driver, a manual car is not going anywhere. With and EVs and the push for autonomous driving a thief of the government does not even have to go out to the car but program the car to come to him. There is a huge difference.
Canada had that level of problems with the electrical grid with EV ownership at 3%, imagine what will happen when the number of EVs increases to 10, 20, 40%.
" Range drops to 300km in cold" That's only 180 miles, so you can't make a 90 mile trip and back without sweating it, or stopping for a long long charge
Simple answer, everyone's electric rates will increase considerably to pay for grid upgrades. You will essentially be paying for other people to drive EVs. As another example of how oblivious people are, all of the EV fan boys will complain about the higher electric costs.
Living in northern Canada and the distances driven coupled with six months of winter, ownership of an electric vehicle with frequent cold snaps and storms could prove fatal. When I fill up my Honda ridgeline it resets and tells me I can drive 700km, plus I can carry extra fuel if needed. These cars are designed for a California climate.
I am a tow truck driver in Canada. I haven't towed many ev's maybe towed 5 total and 4 of them were due to flat tires. had not one but two calls for dead ones over the weekend. First was a f150 lightening that ran out of range in the -25°C weather, that guy at least stopped before it was entirely dead. Next night a tesla S that drove until completely dead. I ended up refusing to tow it because it could not be winched on from the rear and I could not access the front or put it in "tow mode" as the display was dead. Not worth the risk of doing 10s of thousands of dollars damage so I left it there. Did see instructions on boosting the 12v system to activate the display unit to put it in tow mode, but instructions said to boost for no more than 20 seconds. What happens after 20 seconds? No idea but wasn't planning on finding out.
I only get around 700km range in Winter with my ice, down from 770 in the summer :/. So I might have to go to gas station once a week thanks to this :/ hate to spend 10 minutes of my life to fill up the car. I wish I had a EV so I could stand there for hours in the cold and wait without response, and when it finally works, I can sit for hours and charge, while sipping on my $15 starbucks coffe and think how much money I save.
To my thinking, they are only an auxiliary vehicle for going to a local market. When they first came out I thought eventually we might get one for just that. Foolishly I expected that over time there would be fewer problems, more benefits. But the opposite has proven to be. I do feel bad for anyone who made that expensive choice, and are stuck with one.
My lad works as a postman here in Britain. The Post Office in their wisdom have changed their fleet of internal combustion engined vans to battery powered vans. In warm weather, the vans have a range of around 170 miles, (yes, we still work in miles here in Blighty) but in the cold snap we are having now, the range is down to around 140 miles. So, that's not too bad, still gets the job done, but one of the other problems is the heating. My son tells me that the only way to heat the van anything like is to have the system set on recirculation, as the heater will not cope with the cold air drawn from outside. The problem with that is, a postman/woman is in and out of the van all the time, and getting wet in the process if it's raining. Wet clothing and recirculating heating means the widows misting up, so one is left with either poor heating, but you can see where you're going, or reasonable heating driving blind.... Overnight, the vans are left charging close to one another in a locked compound, so it is to be hoped that one of them does not go into thermal runaway, there could be a lot of people waiting a long time for their mail🤔
If one made a list of the thousands of reasons to stay away from EV's this would be on it. A list of "reasons to buy an EV" would only have a few things on it.
My wife applied at the post office for years, got hired on, here in the States, worked for them for a decade or so, full time after years of part time, two in the morning start. She died of COPD three years ago, having been bedridden the last five years of her life and much of it due to her work condition and hours. What you describe of 'in and out all the time" was substantially her health demise. I'm glad she's not here for the current "debate". It's our grandchildren and great grandchildren I worry about today. We, US/UK have much in common even these days. I just bought a new Jeep last year to replace my forty plus year old car. My best to you!
Tell your son to look up "defrost windows with shaving cream". If you want to test it out rub a bit of shaving cream on your bathroom mirror. Let it dry then buff off the residue. Now take a hot shower, notice the spot you treated is fog free? I learned this from an old guy back when I had a 1962 VW Bug...it saved my life on more than one occasion 😊
I dread the day when there will be rolling power outages throughout Australia because the system can't cope with the thousands of morons who were sucked into buying EVs all trying to charge their vehicles at the same time. Time to put in battery storage for my solar panels I think.
Save your money on a battery and get a natural gas Generac generator, like many people in the US have. Wired into the home, auto start, very quiet, relatively maintenance free.
The NSW government during summer routinely tells people to dial down their air conditioners to avoid blackouts - so how in the hell do they think the grid would cope with everyone plugging in their EVs.
Oh man, whats BS is here....most of the people can reschedule their EV Charging.... Or are you everytime with a low fuel tank in your garage? And the small amount of people, who really need to charge their car. They can. Whats the matter. But the matter is clear your bubble is "fear" that EVs is endangering your beloved wrooomwroommss.....
Fortunately we never had any rolling blackouts here in Alberta this time, because enough people reduced their electricity usage to prevent that from being necessary. That is the first time that I ever got such a notice. But, it does show that the grid isn't ready for a much higher EV adoption rate without a lot more grid capacity to handle them and extreme cold weather at once.
If you are ever in a position where your gasoline or diesel car is stuck in a snow drift. It is important to make sure that your exhaust is clear of obstruction. You can keep yourself warm, but you don't want to get carbon monoxide poisoning. If you have an electric car, well best of luck to you. Either way, keep coveralls, a good coat, and gloves in your vehicle. I always keep a 5 gallon can of fuel in the bed of my truck in the winter also.
Grandpa lives in Alaska. He doesn't leave the house without his survival bag. Massive duffel bag full of clothes and mres and stuff that takes up half of his back seat. When you've got the heat cranked to the max and the inside of the car windows are freezing.. you better be scared. That will kill you within hours if you're not ready for it.
Funny you should say that, I have a brand new Toyota Aygo X, and when I’m standing still the hot air goes cold? And then when I pull away again the air goes hot again.
@@randomidiot8142 Reserve fuel is another EV failure. At least gasoline cars you can walk to a station and get a can if needed. I don't think buying a few 9volt batteries will help with the EVs. :D
Oh, I don't know. They have a tendency to spontaneously burst into flames, and when that happens they burn for hours and hours. That'd keep you toasty warm!
It's a crying shame that we didn't commit to diesel hybrids as the powertrain of the future. Unfortunately the VW Dieselgate scandal made everyone scared of diesel and steered us towards this EV disaster instead. At least diesels are proven to WORK and not leave drivers stranded.
The sorry of the diesel engine in North America is a tragic one indeed. Even petrol hybrids where the engine operates under optimal load conditions are a very good option. And probably have cheaper emissions control systems than diesels.
Diesels have been demonized for no reason other than to follow the political narrative. A modern diesel hybrid would be a great combination, but we'll likely never see it.
@@mikejenkins6904 it takes more energy to make hydrogen than to charge a battery that will go the same distance not to mention the fact that hydrogen is not wildly sold or parts for car production mass produced, as battery and electric engines already were mass produced before Ev came out. in my opinion the best choice would be a natural gas hybrid with only electric power train and natural gas as a generator.
A Tesla owner that I know carries a 2000 watt Honda inverter in his trunk in winter , just in case. Back in the 70s I spent 16 hours stuck on a Dutch motorway because of heavy snowfall, an jackknifed trucks. But my tank was full.
Recently watched an EV dealer video about EV winter driving advice. Which totally ignored cold battery range degradation, and implied that it was all due to using the heater in the winter. A Tesla owner has enough range to live with a massive range reduction, but what happens when all commercial vehicles are all converted to electric. The whole delivery infrastructure, and taxis and bus services will grind to a halt.
Doesn’t the cyber truck do a million miles between services ? There will be millions of them running around 24/7/365 and we will all be happy once Elon gets production up from 1 every 2 years.
How shocking! It's just a shame that nobody has been warning about these issues. Oh wait! Anybody who understands ANYTHING about batteries or vehicles has been warning about this!
In Alberta, they sent out an emergency text that said "Don't charge your cars. The grid is close to capacity and people need their heat." It was below -45°C recently. I did some calculations for the number of cars in Canada and if they were all electric. Canada would have to double its power output, and pack that second amount into 8 hours overnight for charging. It's simply not possible. Edit: Oh, there it is, that text. 4:21.
@@absolutium EV cultists are like Vegans no matter how much evidence you present to all the nonsense they've completely bought into their religion no matter what..don't even bother.
I'm Canadian, so I know a bit about driving in cold weather. If you're stuck in a snowbank and it's -40 degrees (and that's the same if it's C or F), you can run your car for 10 minutes to warm up the cabin, then turn it off for 20 minutes. You can keep that up for hours. In two cases I know personally, you can do it for a whole day and night. The only think is, depending on which way the snow is drifting, you may have to kick the snow away from your exhaust pipe to keep the fumes from backing up. This is common knowledge in rural Ontario, or for that matter, _any_ province or territory. including PEI, which is very small and well-populated in comparison to someplace like Saskatchewan or the Labrador.
I understand from my wifes uncle that even a candle burning inside the vehicle with a window just cracked open can give enough heat to stop you freezing to death if you are caught in snow.
@@johnutting9615 The heating power of a candle corresponds to around 38 to 100 watts. But usually more like 38 watts than 100 watts. If you really believe that you can survive for many hours with a candle in sub-zero temperatures, then you are already an applicant for the Darwin Award. Good luck, you'll need it badly too. :)) Survival is one thing, but most people want to keep their fingers and toes. Bad rumors say that life without fingers and toes isn't so great.
@@johnutting9615Your wife's uncle is wrong cars aren't insulated and the cold coming in the crack window will totally overpower a candle. If this were true it would be one of Tesla's cold weather tips.
Same here in Russia. A couple of ev in my neighborhood, none to be seen when its below -20. Recently it was -43c. My diesel Citroen runs just fine with AC preheater.
Edmonton's electric transit buses that were hyped for Edmonton Transit (ETS) have turned out to be a total dud in the cold, and that was know well before this extreme cold spell. I bet they are off the road this week.
@@Niroborn That's remarkable to get a diesel going at such cold temperatures. I remember in the early 1990s, during a prolonged minus 30 to minus 20 cold spell, some kids got into the yard where the diesel school buses are parked for the night and unplugged all of the block heaters. Not one of the them started the next morning and kids got a day off. Very clever and nothing was vandalized or destroyed.
I cannot believe that the EV Industry does not push two of the biggest benefits of EV's i.e. you can use them (once) as a mobile crematorium and in cold weather as a immobile fridge/freezer.
Live in Illinois here and the Woodmans Supermarket 2 miles from my house has about 30 chargers. It is a complete clusterfuck and looks like a scene out of the Benny Hill Show.
Reminds me of the busses that were converted to run on biodiesel. In the northern US states, the freezing temperatures caused the vegetable fat to separate from the rest of the liquid, gumming up the engine and leaving the passengers stranded. They had to rip out all the engines and convert them back to gasoline.
That is what a heating system for the oil is for. We did the grease car thing years ago and you have to have a heating system. They are not practical if you are going to drive a lot and for long distances. They use diesel not gasoline
Well, the government even botched that up. If you did ANY, at all, research into making and running a biodiesel, or more likely, waste vegetable oil engine, you would, in the VERY beginning of it, come across the idea that you need a fuel tank preheater and have it turned ON when in temps that would solidify the oil. Again, it's not insurmountable when planned for, but it's kind of remiss to miss the step of propergly configuring an vehicle to run on veggie oil or biodiesel.
My wife has a 2016 Ford Focus with heated seats, heated steering wheel and a remote starter. She also, can push a button and, by the time she gets out to her car, the seats are warm, the steering wheel is warm and everything is defrosted.. plus she can drive as long as she wants - and back, without having to look for a charger.
@@trevormappley Its okay, we all do that. If you're in my time zone, or worse a bit east of mine, then we ought to be sleeping already since its just several hours to dawn, bleary eyes do not good reading comprehension make XD
An ev will do that too. If you can’t afford a garage I get why having an ice vehicle makes more sense, especially in the north. People sitting outside and buying all their power from superchargers is dumb af, but let’s not pretend that ev’s don’t have functional heated seats, steering wheels, and defrosters.
Here in Canada, for example, it's not just the risk of Electric Cars bringing down the Electrical Grid in the winter. It's our Government's pushing for more heat pumps, which use electricity, cersus natural gas for Home Heating. Also heat pumps only work to around - 15c efficiently. So below - 15 they need to switch over to 100% electric heat.
Electric heat pumps, electric cars, electric stoves and all the other electric stuff we already have. All the while depending on solar and wind because they were too scared to build nuclear power plants. Not sure how the grid is supposed to handle it.
@@hamaarahof5712 And Germany simply does not get enough sunshine, nor enough wind, to go totally wind and solar. Full stop. Can't move Germany to a different part of the planet. But hey, maybe 'climate change' WILL mean it eventually ends up with enough wind and sun? Bring it on!
A BEV is basically a $50K-100K Tamagotchi that requires your attention 16 hours a day (precodition the battery, make sure it does not go below 30%, etc.)
exactly... look at how the EV owners respond to the problems... it's like it's their fault they didn't jump through all the required hoops to keep their $50k+ junk box working.
The "Battery Pre-Condition Button" warms the battery prior to charging to the battery can store more power but is nothing more than a huge electric heater which takes a LOT of power and DOES NOT WORK when the battery is flat or nearly so. In other words if you drive (or are pushed) to a charger you don't have anything spare to pre-heat the battery with before charging. I'm 50 years old and none of my cars has ever had, or needed, a gas-tank enlarger button!
@@VPWedding Try plugging a dead phone or kindle into a charger and you will see that it does not work until there is enough power to boot up the system, when the battery is so cold or flat it cannot hold a charge it cannot transfer the power to the conditioner. This is exactly the same reason that a power station CANNOT power itself up, it need power to work which it does not have until after it starts working. Our entire world is balanced on things only working because other things allow it to work, which in turn can only work if the first thing is working!
@@VPWedding There's likely no option for the charger to "bypass the compressor" and activate the battery heater directly, if it can't do that and is waiting on the battery management software to say it's ready because it's too cold but is too flat/cold to run the heater well...
@@carlchapman4053 It takes maybe a minute for a phone to wake up from zero charge, once it is plugged in. Even that is to prevent the CPU from loosing power in mid boot due to the USB being disconnected. In a car it would take five seconds of charge to be certain you could run the CPU for an hour. From there, there is no reason not to use the power from the charger directly to power the heater. Electric cars might run low on power, but they aren’t going to suddenly not start like an ICE car will. And I’ve dealt with cars with no heat. Any parking lot can be made into an EV charger at low cost, with no spaces lost. We were able to build gasoline infrastructure when we needed it, why would electricity be harder? Getting stuck on the freeway for hours is an edge case with a simple solution. Build chargers at the side of the road every mile or so. They are cheaper than street lamps, and can plug into the same existing circuits.
@@volentimeh There is nothing in an electric car analogous to a compressor. And connecting a heater to a power source is one of the simplest circuits possible. An electric car connected to a charger will heat much faster than an ICE car with no gas rolled up to a pump. And that is assuming the ICE car will start in the cold at all.
A rather unexpected blizzard struck Southern Sweden a month ago and people were stranded on the highways for a day or even for a night as well. Some of the issues were due to lorries from S Europe with tires not made for icy roads. However people had to stay in their cars waiting to be “rescued”. When the roads were cleared the tow trucks had to come and tow the EVs away, but if people in “normal” cars had run out of gas, the tow trucks could offer some few liters from the jerry cans they always bring along. This surprises me, running out of juice means your car has to be towed. Can’t you have a spare battery that can take you a few miles to nearest charger?!
I have always been steadfastly against EVs for the obvious reasons that the technology is not advanced enough yet and the grid infrastructure woefully inadequate. I cannot understand why the mainstream media are not highlighting the pitfalls of EV ownership in order to empower their readership/listeners. Do they really hold their client base in such contempt. Thank you for enlightening the public about these ridiculous vehicles.
it's not about being "green", it's about control. they hate the freedom your gas car provides. once you see how they behave through that lens, everything makes sense.
As someone who grew up in Wisconsin, you can't even trust that your gas car will start in a polar vortex because of how the extreme cold affects the car's battery. Wtf did the EV owners think would happen during a polar vortex?!?! 🤦♀️😂
There is no such thing as a “polar vortex”. It’s called “winter weather” The climate nazis just come up with these names to scare everyone with the climate emergency nonsense. Modern ICE cars now start under ANY condition give computer engine management and multiport fuel injection. They are unbelievably reliable now. Not like when I was a kid.
I live in southern Missouri and drive older vehicles and totally agree. The batteries are far weaker to start our vehicles so that adds more difficulty. I will never (intentionally) own an EV
I am in Ontario, so i am able to relate to what you brought up Catherine. What the Judas were they thinking? EVs owners, the victims not the crooks running the this global colossal scam, are Dunning-Kruger Effect competition level types and thus also are lead by emotions _[morality pageantry],_ not down to earth, non-fantasy obsessed, experiential and erudite, sound reasoning and knowledge.
I'm from Saskatchewan. The last few days have seen the temperature drop to minus 50C with windchill. What the CBC news left out in the Alberta alert, was that SaskPower was providing Alberta with 153MW of power generation. That generation was coming from mainly coal and gas fired plants. Which was needed as Alberta's wind and solar farms stopped generating during this extreme cold that is typical January weather in these parts. I haven't driven my old diesel truck during this past week of cold, but I needed to yesterday. Been sitting in the cold for a week, plugged in the block heater for two hours and started right up. I'll get 800ish kms range in this cold without much fuss. As for these EV zealots saying you can go into your phone app to preheat your EV car, the same can be done on most modern ICE vehicles. Heck, on even the old ones that's why they invented remote starters. My dad had that on his '86 Buick Riviera. I went to a few shops yesterday, one of them had their automated door not working due to the cold. Most things don't like the cold, especially electronics. It's why I'll keep driving old vehicles up here.
Same here up in northern Sweden (lappland). -46c in the society and up in the mountainroads it was -52c. When battery runs out, your dead. Ev's simple wont last here, hell they wouldnt even last in southern sweden where it "only" was -30c. We also got warnings that the powergrid is overloaded and people up here resorted to the traditional way of heating their houses. I also drive a diesel car which has a remote preheater, works great even in these temperatures as long as you use it. Without it, it simply wont start. Combustion engines is the most reliable in extreme weather so far.
Minnesota, Chicago, and Canadian Prairie and Yukon really are differently cold, an EV may be OK for Ontario barely and even great in Texas BUT up here range is 30% in -20 F. . . . . We forget Minnesota and Prairie are differently cold, month at -20 is differrent than +20..... a gas car didn't care but not will EVs react different.....
"Which was needed as Alberta's wind and solar farms stopped generating during this extreme cold that is typical January weather in these parts." ^ This. What sort of "critical infrastructure" is not designed to work in typical January weather? Back in 2021 in the Texas cold snap, partly blamed on inadequate "winterization" of wind turbines, folks were saying that this isn't an issue in colder climates. There, wind turbines are set up to work in conditions like this. Looks like that's another green energy fairy tale.
Due to increased charging losses and charging time between 80-100%, they suggest maintaining the battery charge between 20% and 80% to preserve the lifetime of the battery, Which only leaves you with a daily operating window or 60% of the batteries capacity.
Its not that we all warned them about cold weather effecting battery cars, but the EVangelists types just shouted everyone down. They will probably state they should have charged at home in a garage, but forget that in cities like Chicago most people live in apartments.
Whether you're a fan of his or not, Jacob Rees Mogg in the UK perfectly encapsulated the issue of EV's, and that was " why would you buy an inferior product"
Inferior product? Explain to me how the standard commute to work usage is inferior in an EV. I don't need to charge at a Supercharger. I can have a car be ready to go in the morning even if parked in the garage (ICE cars can't do that unless you want carbon monoxide poisoning). Then upon my departure, I have a car that compared to ICE is faster, quieter, less prone to failure, and less costly to 'refill'.
@suserman7775 To answer your question. Yes. Notice how you use the very narrow usage criteria of a standard commute. Wasn't quite sure why you think that you can't go to your garage and drive straight off in a petrol or diesel vehicle because " it won't be ready", what on earth does that mean?
@@61js More cognitive dissonance from EVangelists, as if he didn't just watch the video. Sure, ICE cars can run out of gas and leave you stranded, but gas range is more predictable in all types of weather than EV electric range can be as proven in this very video. Most ICE car owners will gas up before they get to E in any weather condition and won't have to wait several hours to do it. And yes, the tech in an EV is amazing, but we just aren't ready yet to go all in until the infrastructure catchs up with the technology. EVangelists are too narrow-minded to see that. It's like they have on horse blinkers. When trying to reason with them it's like talking to a fanatical religious cult member.
@@suserman7775 because a car provides freedom to travel, not just a standard commute. battery cars are clearly inferior to gas cars in every way. for your example, i'd have to spend at least double to purchase the battery car, which is a pretty high barrier of entry if all i'm getting is a supposedly more comfortable cold morning car entrance. also, if you park your car in the garage where your charger is, why do you need to warm it up at all? does that explain it well enough for you? probably not since you appear to be a fanboi
Alberta, Canada, -45C January 2024. 7 days wait for vehicle boost jump start. Saskatchewan is as much of a barren wasteland as Alberta. Alberta had a warning of possible electrical grid shutdowns the week Monday, January 15, told people to shut down non essential electrical loads. Saskatchewan bailed Alberta out with electrical power diversion. Maybe everyone stopped charging their EVs at that time? Or didnt? Stay gold.
I drive an ICE vehicle with electric heated seats, steering wheel and front and rear window defrosters. The difference between my vehicle and an EV is that my range doesn't decrease noticeably when I use them and I can also use the blowers to further heat the interior once the engine warms up. It has been in the -30C range for the past couple of days.
$1.06/liter for fuel, 2 minutes for a fill, not sitting for an hour or more for a charge and paying for electricity will will only keep going up as the demand increases. They also do not ask us to limit our fuel use due to the cold temperatures.
@@finchbevdale2069so you prefer that young kids in poor countries are being forced to dig up the precious materials needed to make the batteries for your very un-environmental ev? You ok with that? Because I certainly am not. Modern day ice cars are very economical and produce very little pollution, especially the clean diesels.
@@finchbevdale2069 I see. And you have to drive a BEV 75,000 miles just to draw even with an equivalent petrol car on CO2 WHILE YOU are sitting on 15 Pounds of refined COBALT? You realize they make a Doomsday Bomb by adding Cobalt to it to make the halflife deadlier? Besides that CO2 is plant food. The only really significant greenhouse gas is WATER VAPOR. Then there is the fact that one volcanic eruption produces more CO2 than all human activity ever! Figure out how to reduce water vapor or stop a volcanic eruption and I will join you, but not in COBALT poisoning the world with COBALT!
My daughter was a big EV promoter until she got stuck in Reno, Nevada in 22 degree weather. It took her 2 and a half hours to charge her car to 75%. She sat in her car that whole time while it charged freezing. She owned it for 5 years. I tried to tell her the short falls of owning an EV car but until she experienced this shortcoming, she didn't listen to me. She has since sold it for a BMW hybrid.
So, in 5 years she has one bad experience with EV. 2.5 hours of freezing while charging? That’s ridiculous. You can use the heating while charging, this is not your old man gas car, people died from CO+CO2 while using the ac. I charge my car in the 🥶 freeze while my temperature maintains at 22c.
@@doomsday9973Because the heater is electric, and drains the battery. She would have been waiting even longer for it to charge. That much should have been obvious.
My house has a wooden pellets furnace that heats water and pumps into smaller radiators around the house when the weather gets too cold. And I use AC for less cold weather and hot weather. I own a 100% combustion veichle, the best kind. Still the most evolved form of engines. People buy untested space technology and expect it to be just like the already proven combustion car.
It’s all part of a greater agenda which the West is following - the mainstream media promulgates misinformation on purpose! If you listen to mainstream media you are not well informed, you are misinformed.
Last year I still had my BMW i3 and my range dropped from 120 miles to 90 miles in the cold weather. Then the government started saying we might run out of electricity over the winter. I’d already committed to getting rid of my car and never going electric again, but that really drove home just how awful they are.
@@mattg432 here in NZ we have a new govt that has removed the EV bribe rebate and just introduced road user charges for EV's from April 1st at $76 per 1000km ...they are world leaders in understanding that the consumer can make the choice ..NOT the Govt. NZ runs on diesel powered utes and trucking.
The funniest part is that we've been saying all of this for _years_ now. Some people just have to learn the hard way. I'm not even an anti-EV absolutist, but I live where it gets hot enough in the summer and cold enough in the winter to shorten the range.
The summer really doesn't affect the range much. Even when it hit Triple Digits, my car was still gettin 200+ miles per charge. It's the cold that shortens the range, but that depends on how high you have the heater set to. What Gas car elitists like this channel don't realize, it costs $30 a month for me to drive my car 50 miles a day, 5 days a week. Show me a gas car that can do the same.
@@jakthebombThanks for your comment. The people in this thread that are so gleeful about this story weren't going to buy an EV anytime soon. They complain about EVs being "pushed" on them... impacting their freedom of choice, but they smugly ridicule their neighbors from exercising their freedom of choice in selecting an EV. Don't tread on me? Fine. Don't tread on anyone? Well, I don't know about that. 😅
@@jakthebomb So, fuel is cheaper,. Great, doesnt matter much if a charge wont last in an emergency, like being stuch for a few hours. We are willing to pay the extra for the increased reliability . It is worth it... Money is not everything.
I’ve got a BMW X3 diesel with just over 100K miles on the clock and it STILL does 40 miles to the gallon. I wouldn’t swop it for an EV shit heap for all the tea in China. I absolutely love driving my car, it is soooo reliable.
Several years ago I met a Tesla owner charging at a WaWa’s in the US. He liked it but made it clear that it was his toy. For any real trips he used his gas powered car. So, like a rag top when conditions are right you take it for a spin.
I have a Tesla and live in the south. Its good at commuting and around town errands. Nothing more than that. Would NEVER buy one if I did not have a 2nd ICE car and did not have a house to charge it at. Buying one as a sole vehicle and living in an apartment would be insanity.
@@doubledranch871 I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid that has been outstanding. It has a NiCad battery and I love it for that as well … I would not buy a Li Ion powered vehicle, Hybrid or EV, the chemistry is just too on the edge for me to be comfortable.
@@dougthomson5544 NiCAD or NiMH? If you have to replace the battery, can you still get the original type? I am not opposed to getting a used car - if available! My old 1995 Tacoma was the best vehicle I ever had. No SMALL trucks available now. My son just got a '23 Tacoma (ICE) and it seems huge to me!
I leased an EV for 2 years recently (didn't want to buy due to poor resale value). In summer it was a fantastic way to zip around town (although I wouldn't want to try long trips). But in winter, you use the lights much more due to shorter daylight, and you use the heat much more (which isn't "free" as it is in a traditional car). In the end I never bought one because they're impractical in winter.
The heat is not free, if you fill up at the gasoline car for 10 dollars, the car needs 3 dollars to get around, and 7 dollars are wasted as heat. The electric car does not have 30% efficiency but 80%, that's 8 out of 10 dollars to get around. When the car is cold, it drops Efficiency is because you have to heat. But with gasoline cars you have more consumption even when the engine is cold, that's condensation losses in the cylinder, which is why a cold engine needs more gasoline,the efficiency drops also to around 20%.
That's why I put the word free in quotes, indicating there's more to the topic than one simple word. It's free in the sense that if you choose not to use the heat, you can't recoup the value of it, and if you do choose to use it, it costs nothing extra. @@alexanderb.9084
"Warm your car (EV) in your garage first..." Dude, as an example, when I live in CA just three years ago, no one put their EV in the garage for fear it could burn the house down and kill everyone in their sleep. Charging overnight is problematic enough without the anxiety of lithium battery fires (not as rare as you're told) or, God forbid, explosions.
In the early days of january this year, we had a massive snowstorm, trapping drivers on the motorway for 19 hours, the mainstream media, only talked about the unlucky gas and diesel cars, that ran out of fuel, not a single word about all the EV's that had to be towed away, because they can't charge on the motorway, all the normal cars, got some fuel and they were on their way home.
Here in New Jersey, the Winters are nowhere near as bad as they can be in many other States. With this in mind I can tell you of some scary Winter driving stories. A few decades ago, there was an ice storm that happened while people were at work. Those who needed to travel on Interstate 287, ended up being stranded for over 8 hours as the Interstate had to close due to icy conditions. Some people did not have the foresight to keep their gas tanks filled and ran out of gas. They had to seek shelter in the other vehicles but for the most part, all of the ICE vehicles were able to keep the heat going. It is not uncommon on limited access highways for an accident to cause traffic to completely stop for hours as EMS deals with extracting and transporting the crash victims and the wrecks can be moved off the road. This is to say nothing of the times where fog and ice have caused multiple vehicle pile-ups sometimes involving hundreds of cars and trucks. Can you imagine EVs involved in something like that?
My friend was driving from Franklin Lakes to Pompton Plains and got stuck all night in what has to be this exact back up. Imagine EVs in this situation? It would be a "how many died" situation.
I worked during the polar vortex here in Illinois. When it was -22° all night. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to have run out of battery in a traffic jam in that type of cold. At least with a gas powered vehicle someone can bring you some gas and you can heat your car. They can't bring you electricity. Even with a generator it's going to take time. And during that time you're going to freeze. Literally. -22° is nothing to fool around with.
You're not supposed to charge your car above 80% because it's better for the battery or something. In addition, you're not supposed to let it go below 20-30% in the cold. So, you're only getting 50-60% of your battery's capacity for at least 3-ish months of the year for a decent chunk of the country here in the US. The future sounds a lot like the distant past.
@@johndoe-vy4bt Would you pay full price for your current internet speed if you were only getting 50-60% of the advertised speed? Would you pay for a TV package where you only received 50-60% of the advertised channels? Would you buy a pair of shoes if you could only use them 50-60% of the time for some arbitrary reason? Would you buy/rent a house if you could only use 50-60% of the total space in that house? If you answered "no" to any of those things, you might want to give your head a wobble to try and shake the government/mainstream news propaganda about lithium batteries (especially as they pertain to EV's) out of your head.
"Turn into a freezing brick" This happens during the brutal winters in Norway when you go to cross mountains, when the weather gets bad these mountain roads switches to controlled convoying. Basically slow speed across lead by a snowplow in radio contact with the vehicle at the back, it isn't the convoy itself that is the problem, but the limited spots. Meaning you will be stuck WAITING in the snow and cold for the convoy to cross back to you so you can get your slot, a gas powered car you can idle away and enjoy yourself, not so much in an EV. Same in highway traffic jams during cold weather, stuff happens. And gas powered cars have a safety margin you can take of, but that is drastically reduced with an EV.
They say to keep the EV battery last longer, you can only charge to 70% capacity, now in cold winter, you must keep that for at least 20-30% before next charge. It means that you can only have 40-50% of the capacity for the winter, and most of the capacity will be drained by heating rather than mileage. Current EVs are not for cold places for sure.
Actually, since EV's range in the cold are about 50% at 40-50% charge in the winter you are looking at 20-25% charge plus if you run the heater if is going to be lower.
Yeah my parents Kia Niro does this -- luckily, it's not electric, it's a gas hybrid. But to greatly extend the life of the battery, it typically keeps it between (more or less) 20 and 80% charge. I think I saw it top it up (closer to 100%) once when we were going down a very long hill; and ran it below 20% when going up a steep bit of mountain road at interstate speeds (since this thing's gas engine seems to make VERY little low or mid range torque, it's wheezy as hell below about 4000RPM, and frequently squirts in some extra torque from the electric motor even when the engine is running. It sure did in this case going up the mountain.)
@@hwertz10 That's why series hybrids are the ideal option. Throw out the heavy, dangerous and unreliable Li-ion pack for supercapacitors and have the gas motor running at its peak (58+% efficiency) RPM range which is usually peak torque and thus peak energy output, and the motors become the gearbox with infinite torque multiplication up to the electrical limit of the motor torque. Cool thing: Normal supercaps lose roughly 45% of their capacity at -60'C while graphene-based supercaps only lose 30%. Sure they have higher capacitance in warmer weather, like 15-20% more from what I can find at 45'C compared to 0'C, but they last ages as their cycle life goes from just 100k full discharge-recharge cycles and it only goes up from there with more and more reliable and durable tech being developed over time. Supercap hybrids running on hemp-based biofuel treated with anti-freeze anti-gelling additives are the way of the future, not lithium BEVs. There's a good reason that we dumped EVs in the 1910s after a solid 40 years of using them and a British company having the monopoly on them over there.
That’s fluffing the numbers, but I’ll bite. A more fair boundary is don’t go lower than 20% or higher than 80%. That’s the actual figure given by Tesla. You claim 50% loss of mileage, which seems pretty fluffed given current tech like teslas heat pump, but let’s use that. 50% of your 60% range is 30%. The lowest range Tesla you can buy has a 260 mile range, so your everyday driving range for keeping the battery healthy is 78 miles. Do you drive more than this per day? I highly doubt it. If you do you can get the long range version that ads another 20 miles to your daily driving ability. That 98ish miles as a daily driver. That’s absurd for most people, and that’s also the worst case scenario. Most people don’t live anywhere nearly that cold. I think something like more than half the population usually never even sees snow. Also, the people stuck buying energy at a frozen supercharger are people who don’t have their own garage. If you don’t have a garage to charge your ev at home, you’re an idiot for buying one. It’s the main selling point of the vehicle for people who aren’t hippies: Cheap charging at home and you never have to sweat/freeze at a gas station other than road trips. Most charging stations cost almost as much as gas and you have to wait somewhere while your car charges. Idiots. In the case of Florida man needing to drive 250 miles to get out of the area, I can see why that’d be a problem. However he failed to mention gas stations also being packed with the majority of people who wait until their car gets to nearly empty to fill up. How’s their range? Especially the trucks and suv’s. Yes, you can put some Jerry cans in the back of your ice to extend the range greatly in case of an emergency. I think it’s smart and every American should do that if they have somewhere to store it safely. But, I’m pretty sure those same gas cans could be used to power a small portable generator in case of emergencies like this. It’ll take way longer and it’s not as convenient but in this scenario you have that kind of time. Hurricanes are forecasted 3+ days ahead of time. I can’t really see a reason why you can’t sit in a Walmart parking lot and charge for 2-8 hours when you’re almost to your destination (which buys you even more time) if you absolutely need to. Also, I get that we’re not quite there yet with batteries, but they’re only going to get better with time. Just like gas car took time to go from 20 mpg to getting 40+ mpg, it’s only up from here. Don’t quickly dismiss an entire new tech when yours had 100+ years to develop. I’m not saying you should have to buy it or that you even should buy it depending on your situation, just give it time to grow.
Here in the US, they're trying to phase out natural gas appliances and heating also. As long as I have a gas stove and a lighter I can heat my home until their overloaded grid gets back up-until they MAKE me buy electric. BRILLIANT!
Seems like a true biased advocate defending ICE vehicles that cause lung cancer and other pulmonary ills.. I have seen people stranded in ICE cars on side of roads in middle of nowhere since they did not have a fuel canister in trunk with extra fuel specially when they attempted to go on long journeys.. In case of EV an portable extra power unit that can be bought just like a canister it can save an EV owner to remain powerless.. Anyhow over a longer period of owning we see the true efficiency of an ev not just by looking at a bad judgement of few owners in cold weather.. they let the car drain bellow 10% who let they'r smartphone or laptops battery drain bellow 5% face the same problem.. so choose to be smart because there are enough stupid people !
Do you freeze to death sitting in your EV waiting for it to charge or do you turn on the heat while charging thus extending the charging period by hours because the heater is using most of the power from the charger.
Alberta just had minus 40 C temperatures, and the electrical grid could not keep up as the solar and wind generating came to a halt. Could you imagine if even 10% of the vehicles were EV? Alberta would have blacked out, and everyone would have froze.
It was actually because of a natural gas plant failing. They new wind was going to be down due to the temperature. BC, it's neighbor, has 10x the amount of EVs while producing 10twh less power. More of a failure of the power suppliers than 1 technical
And they're demanding houses be heated with electricity and forbidding natural gas pipelines into residential areas, in some areas. It's like they want us to die.
This is like when your cell phone no longer charges correctly and the battery depletes before the end of the day x 1,000. I can’t imagine the anxiety of not knowing whether my car is going to work or not, how far it will take me on any given day, or how I’m going to fuel it.
You can carry a number of spare power banks for a phone, thereby extending the life in colder weather, plus its easier to keep it warm in your pockets.
I live in South Florida, USA. While we don't get the freezing temperatures Chicago is getting, we do get the occasional hurricane some of which has caused mass evacuations. To evacuate South Florida you have to drive up Florida to leave the peninsula, for me that would be about a 350 mile drive to get to "safety". Even if you don't leave Florida just getting to a "safe" place in the state is about a 250 mile ride and even then usually the storms follow you up. When these evacuation happen, and there have been several in the last few decades, masses of cars jam the highways and cause gigantic traffic jams. The journey which usually takes 5 or 6 hours (I have done it many times) can take 10 to 24 hours. Back when the last evacuations happened where I live in South Florida for in 2017 for hurricane Irma, several of my co workers panicked and evacuated. I stayed, I have been through many hurricanes and do not live near the ocean so I decided to take my chances in my home with supplies, fuel, food, portable gas stoves, plenty of clean cloths and drinking water, and we did lose power for a day and it was relatively easy to adapt through if your prepared. Besides if something happens to your home you can try to deal with it and many of my friends and neighbors stayed so I could get and give help, which I could not do as easily among strangers with many other evacuees hundreds of miles from home. Anyway, at least one the coworkers who left got stuck on the road in their ICE vehicle, their cell phone died and they had a horrible time. Others had to drive all the way to Atlanta, Georgia which is about a 650 mile drive which without stopping would take at least 9 and a half hours to dive. All of them eventually got hit with the hurricane which had weakened as it moved North. And these were just a few of the hundreds of thousands if not a million or so people that evacuated, in a time where there were far fewer EVs on the road. Now my neighborhood is full of EVs, can you imagine people trying to evacuate South Florida in a similar scenario. Can you imagine tens of thousands of EVs stuck in hours and hours of traffic, the lines at the recharging stations, and the amount of additional traffic and delays caused by EVs dying in traffic, jamming up the highways and roadways used for the evacuations. Can you imagine the panic these people would be in along with all the ICE drivers also stuck on the roads because of the extra delays due to the failures of EVs, as a hurricane caught them exposed on the roads for hours and hours. That would be a massive disaster. Yet a lot of people here in South Florida bought EVs even though they are impractical and even dangerous to use to evacuate from the frequent hurricanes we get here in Florida.
@@richyzig Please read my post again more carefully and less emotionally this time, and try to not embarrass yourself by your allowing your lack of comprehension of the English language or of complex concepts of more than one word to get in your way this time. Furthermore, you need to educate yourself on the range of EVs, not of just new ones but older ones whos battery life is reduced, and also comprehend the fact that not everyone keeps their EV charged or has a home to charge one at. I'm just embarrassed for you.
What about the fact that water could cause these cars to ignite. Could you imagine if the highway was starting to flood and all those EV's stuck in traffic with all that water on the road.
Our cell phones alarmed about the power warning, we turned of everything not needed and it turns out my whole citizen province did too, as by the charts the consumption dropped an incredible amount almost 1/3 I think (?). Proud of Albertans.
This is the problem with allowing politicians to determine what we need instead of deciding for ourselves.
It's not the politicians who have determined anything.
They are getting paid by lobbyists, who work for big business...
You don’t need qualifications to be a politician just a big mouth,
But the damn politicians are in bed with the corporations who want to force EVs on us. And after they all make a tremendous profit with regular citizens holding the bag, they’ll move onto the next big thing(AI) WS is dumping Tesla
Part of me thinks these buyers deserve a wake up call
Yes let capitalism decide.
In Alberta during the cold snap we got an emergency alert saying the power grid was near failure and we needed to conserve electricity to prevent rolling blackouts, That included charging your EV. Lived here for almost 40 years and never had an alert like that.
And they really think we're going all electric? Not a chance.
Thankfully, physics and software lockouts prevent EV batteries from charging in the extreme cold anyway.
We lived there back in the 1960's , cheap power and gas and the winters very bitter but then Canadian winters usually are ! I can remember one year of -30F for a month , cannot imagine how an EV would manage without a heated garage and constant charging .
There's a concerted effort by the WEF Stooges to remove energy from those pesky Carbon Dioxide Emitters called Humans and put as back into the Stone Age while they try to control us with their High Tech
It's all in their plan for total control
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Shivering Canadian here, laughing my ass off! My gas (petrol) Toyota will be cold, but will absolutely start and run.
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Ditto! lol
Yeah !
Well, strictly speaking there are a few pitfalls for gasoline/diesel cars. When extremely cold running your car may ruin its engine. Car's oil viscosity allows you to run it strictly under some temperature conditions.
Plus diesel fuel may freeze, especially if its not arctic variant of such a fuel(which works down to -40 C).
@@lessgrep In extreme cold, we use electric engine block heaters to keep the engine somewhat "warm" so it will at least turn over to start. Otherwise if the car sits outside all night in -40 it probably won't start.
Thank you EV owners! I appreciate all you do during your EV ownership. People like you help me make educated decisions. Well done. Well done. Guess I’ll go out and enjoy the subzero temps.
Quite honestly if you’re going to buy 45,000 to 70,000 Tesla. The least the dealership could do is offer a Briggs and Stratton gasoline 8500 watt generator loaded on to the back of the car for those emergency situations.
Hahah
That muffled clattering noise you hear is the sound of the reliable diesel engine in the tow truck that came to the rescue.
Don’t worry! I’m sure the EPA will rescue us from those DIRTY, EVIL diesel tow trucks soon too!
Classic LOL
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@@yeshuaismyking2885but saving money on gas over the environment lmao
EV owners are not the smartest bunch and they tend to get easily distracted by shiny objects (and narratives), so this is not at all surprising.
To mimc the smartiest vice president of the US after Joeyy, we can represent this as a Wenn diagram. One circle is EV angelists (lets face it, most of the owners are), second is climate alarmists and other green goonies, the last is a bit tricky, it is not just dumb but TDS level dumb people (not perfectly defined, but lets go with this). The overlapping part of these would be about 99 % of all the circles. There is a list in universe, to tick lines to define an utter moron and among many lines are these, drive an EV, have a severe case of climate-anxiety and suffer from TDS or local equivalent of conservative values loathing.
I read recently that most EVs are purchased by people just wanting to show off to the neighbors.
That explains why EV has so many lights across the whole car...
Yep, bunch of muppets.
Maybe BEV drivers have the mind fog of Schlong Covid?
I for one am really grateful to all those who went out and bought EVs. If it was not for them we would never really know just how terrible they are. So thank you to all of them for showing us what living with EVs is like..
That's called "taking one for the team." They are true warriors!
Well when new products appear in market we consumers do need guinea pigs to test them out and report every flaw so that We can make a well-informed purchase decision. Kudos to these volunteers who sacrificed their wallets in order to save ours - and we don't even need to pay a single cent to them!
@@d3vilman69 Actually the subsidies are from tax dollars so technically we did pay for it.
Many countries still want to mandate them. The real reason is likely control, as they're all internet connected. They can be geo-fenced to not be able to leave a certain area, or taken control of or turned off (even en masse)
All for the Greta good.
I went on a long business trip on Monday that greatly depleted my petrol tank The rest of the week was just going to my normal workplace (8 miles away). Yesterday, on the way back from work, I was half-way down the red "nearly empty" warning zone on the gauge. I popped into a petrol station, and less than ten minutes later, it was full and I was back on my way home. Good luck with that situation, EV owners.
I was low on fuel the other day and drove by a charging station which caused me great anxiety since I was in a hurry. I then remembered that I was driving an ICE vehicle and popped into a gas station for a few minutes for my normal sip of gasoline.
It's winter and I haven't had a bit of range anxiety. I stopped at a supercharger yesterday, spent a few minutes shopping, and came back per schedule with my battery charged, but the cool thing was their kwh price was less than what I pay for home charging.
An EV user just charges at home and saves themselves that 10 minutes you have wasted.
@@Audioremedy0785is there anything you learned in school? Unless you have a heated garage, it will take you the same 2 hrs to charge, depleting electrical grid, that often in these temps, will have brownouts, or total collapse. Will you have to find a shelter for yourself, then?
Besides, putting charging station at home is $$$ and unaffordable for many.
thank you
As an electrical engineer, the most glaring problem with EVs is that we simply do not have the grid capacity to power a national EV fleet. A few months ago some colleagues and I did the analysis for California - Australia is similar. In order to create the same "power to wheels" as currently provided by gasoline and diesel, California would need to double its generation capacity. And so would Australia. And that is even taking into account local solar-powered charging. To power a vehicle with "renewable" energy would require a 400% increase in renewable output.
These figures are absolute fantasyland from an engineering perspective in countries where they cannot meet current electrical demand even without an EV fleet. And it's not just the generation capacity that would need to be doubled - every powerline, every substation, every transformer would need to be replaced. In Australia that's not millions or billions but trillions of dollars of investment. It is NEVER going to happen and people need to understand that.
And finally, for those who keep insisting that even if you power EVs from fossil fuels they still generate lower CO2 emissions than ICE vehicles, there is precious little engineering evidence to support this despite what the US Department of Energy website claims. The assumption there is that if you replace one ICE vehicle with one EV then you get lower emissions and that part is true. However, when you replace the national ICE fleet with EVs - and you have to put in vast amounts of new power generation/distribution infrastructure, that assumption no longer holds.
And if you drive and need a 4x4 and tow a van or boat your up shit creek , not available in Australia ,and if they were their almost useless with normal driving and a hopeless waste of time towing , get a LandCruiser , range not towing 1200 kilometres , range towing 740 kilometres,plus Jerry and if you want ,👍
as a sparky i been saying just that for years but of course i am wrong because i am not an expert lol
As a resource investor there is not enough Copper left on planet Earth to make this work, we need to increase production by about 5x but all Copper mines have declining production because we have been mining the stuff for 3,000 years. At current production it will take 200 years to dig up the necessary Copper and that's assuming we can find new mines.
Last i read 30% of the electric Cali has is imported from other states. The other problem is as pointed out during this video cold temp's are don't go well with EV batteries for charging or driving.
During summer over here in Australia we are sometimes asked by the power companies to turn off our air con to reduce the strain on the electricity grid. Will EV owners be told not to charge their cars for the same reason?
What a pain. Why would anyone want to inflict EV ownership on their lives? Isn't life challenging enough already?
I've been told EV clowns like it rough. No lube needed...
Because they enjoy drinking government and corporate Kool-Aid by the gallon.
Because they’re not very bright.
Because being virtuous at the expense of your own bank account and sanity is worth it to them.
If it gets cheap enough, it might be worth it. I'm waiting for the market to bottom out on Teslas, and then buy one for pennies on the dollar. It could get to the point where nobody wants one and they're practically giving them away.
Often overlooked is that with a gasoline or diesel powered car, you have 100% of the tank available no matter the weather or time of day. If down to E, you still have a distance available, and when you fill up again, that puts you back going immediately. EV's offer none of this sort of utility, they're a dud.
Also add that if you do run out of liquid fuel (petrol or diesel or kerosene) you can always use a suitable container to transport and refuel. If you are a 100% electric or LPG then you will need to be towed.
I read somewhere that the heavy equipment at Scott Base/McMurdo runs diesel engines on petroleum. @AlexD-os8hw
Cool observation.👏🏼
And you never need to 'pre-condition' your fuel tank. In all my years of vehicle ownership, I've never had to think about the tank, or anything related to it for that matter.
On top of that most ICE car drivers do not have to fill up every day. When it comes time to fill up it takes 3-5 minutes and you are good to go.
EV. Need to be charged likely daily and it takes hours at 240v. To fully charge an EV.
I bought a Volkswagen ID3, and now I wish I hadn’t. I live in the Portsmouth in the UK, where the weather isn’t as cold as the North. I’ve had it just over a year now, and it truly doesn’t like the cold. Once the temperature hits 0/2* Celsius the cars operation system closes down and takes about 10 minutes to reset itself. If I would’ve known this I would never have got one. And the cold does drain the batteries very quickly, but they don’t tell you this when purchasing the damn thing.
@RichardZeissig, maybe you should read up on Tesla's cold weather problems. 🙄
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Because people tend to believe what they are being told by the governments, scientists and sadly all the BS the car companies tell them.
Tesla have been lying about their amazing cold weather capabilities for years and way to many people, including politicians have believed them.
And other EV makers have needed to do the same to compete with Tesla.
Should have thought about a Laptop, not a single Laptop remains a Laptop for long they need to stay plugged in to actually work.
@RichardZeissigSo he would end up with all the same problems as Tesla owners?
That doesn't make much sense!
Don't worry if your EV dies in a snowstorm. It will probably catch fire, so you'll be ok in the cold.
Briefly.
The fire will lead to an electrical failure which will mean the doors won't open which will mean that being tasty warm is mandatory
You are right Robert. Thanks for that. That is just another thing to add to my mile long list of reasons to never ever buy an EV. Here in the north eastern part of Australia we don't get cold enough to effect the EVs. We just have thousands of miles of no grids or charging stations instead. I am finding it harder and harder to see anything good about EVs.
But, but climate activists say EVs are the best thing to happen to the environment! At least if you die burned to a crisp at the seat of your EV, you have done your duty to save the environment☺️😜
@@HaigEngineeringIm brazillian, in some places here its arid as a desert, or so humd you can "drink" from the air.
Our roads are awful and in some places it rain every day all year round. I cannot imagine the danger having an EV here must mean.
I love the visual of an ICE tow truck delivering an EV to the charging station. Classic.
My car had 445km range left at half tank, I drove 30 km, then it had 415km range left. Love ICE
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that math checks out!
@@johnp9975And the point is that the math wouldn’t check out for an EV. It would have inexplicably lost some range between startups.
And the heat is virtually free.
Often driving an ICE on a long journey you’ll see your range go UP, because your consumption has gone down. I cannot ever imagine that happening in an EV…
I got an EV Uber in the dead of winter once. The driver was wrapped up in a huge puffer jacket, hat, scarf and gloves. No heat, no radio and it was colder inside than a freezer locker. He had a whole sob story prepared as to why he can't run the heat but it was obviously because it killed his range. Very unpleasant car ride, luckily I was dressed well but since you are sitting on the cold leather and not moving, I did shiver. I refuse rides from any Tesla cars now.
Heats up faster than any gas car they've own? I guess that's the thermal runaway at work 😂😂😂
well, they have 3.5kWh electric heater.. so if you dont have much battery :D But all EV owners always say "turn off heat, only use seat heater" to save energy.. so well..
Brutal. 😂 LOL!!!
@@AndrewTSqHow do they defrost the front windshield without hot air cabin ventilation? Do they have transparent resistive traces in the front windshield?
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As a bonus, the car can warm your whole house ( one time).
There is another risk no one mentions. When it's snowing and icy, they tend to add salt on the roads. That get's splashed onto your underside of the car. If that gets to the battery you'll get problems in time. I guess in a few years, more people who used their EV's during winter will have such problems to deal with.
Ha , har , it's even More involved than that , the battery has 2 be Serviced , requiring a battery tech , those Batteries are Heavy and Require NO , Mistakes HA , HAR , 😂 , , ,
yeah, that really is going to be interesting. I think most of the belly pans for those things are aluminum. I'm curious what will happen with bolts and fasteners and seals when they are getting effectively pressure washed with brine for several months.
Same thing happens in Florida with salt water flooding due to hurricanes.
👍👍I have been considering that also along the same lines since batteries exposed to salt.. not just the corrosion... but... well.. it will help expedite a fiery experience.
Not more than 10 days ago there was a bad weather in Denmark with a lot of cars stuck on a highway for 20-30 hours. While the services were bringing petrol to the ICE owners so they could run their cars for heat, the EV owners had to go in other people's cars so they don't freeze to death.
I`m going to Hell, I had a vison of sat "toast warm" in my ICE car in a T-shirt while a Tesla driver is tapping on my window with icicles hanging off his nose and I just turning the music up and not making eye contact 🤣
ICE owners should charge a fee per hour to EV owners for warming up in their cars. No free lunch.
Hard to imagine that you guys were once vikings. Weak 😁
The real vulnerability with them is they can be mass disabled due to internet connectivity. That's the whole point of the shift. Fully remote controlled cars. On/off as well as actively controlling their movement. Certain people not friendly to whoever holds certain seats of power might find themselves lunging their moving vehicles into oncoming traffic suddenly and unexpectedly. They must have been depressed, the news will say.
Okay whose EV shall we short the batteries first? We need fire and heat now or we all freeze like popsicles. Any volunteers? It's for saving the environment. 🤣
Thank you, great report. We have been saying this for a while. They are a death trap here in Canada. Some might still be stuck in denial, but reality eventually always catches up👍
@RichardZeissig haha, physics tells you, they do not charge/work at -40 Celsius. We drive ours without plug in to -30 C without problems, an hour on the block heater in the -40's. So clearly you don't seem to have a clue. But it's your pain, not mine. If there are battery issues bring them in the house and charge them, or replace for $120 yourself. No shop needed. No insane replacement or other costs. Here, they are simply a death trap and will not get us where we need to go. So pointless to own.
I love my Tesla. I've had it for almost 3 years, but I also live in Texas. It rarely gets that cold here. If I lived up north, there is no way I would own an EV. I put a lot of miles on my Model Y, but I only drive it in the city. It's very economical to run. I have the luxury of also owning a gas Chevy Suburban for road trips, because there is no way I would use the Tesla for that. If you can only have one vehicle, do yourself a favor and DO NOT BUY AN EV. They are not ready to completely replace gas cars.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I wouldn't own an EV in cold regions.
most EV owners that drive alot and like the EV are like you, who owns a gas car as well . but that's not realistic for millions of people who dont have the luxury to own 2 cars. your EV is a toy and excluding the gov funded incentives that's your business to have a toy but for the average person who drives 12-15,000 miles a year and has 1 car thats never going to be viable
The all time record cold temperature in Texas is just an average winter day in Canada. On those days a Tesla will still work fine. But we are talking about -30°C to -45°C temperatures that we had here (in Alberta) that caused the problems with the grid and with some EVs. I know one guy with a Tesla at work. He was there today, so it obviously worked for him, but he also gets to plug it in at work. Which isn't an option for many people who have to go to work in the cold with no ability to charge while there.
Do you ever worry about a fire charging it or do you have separate garage space to park the Tesla.
Well said, 100%, spot on, cast iron common sense.
If you go out in the snow remember to take a spare can of electricity with you for emergencies😂
"Spare can of electricity" HAH I nearly woke the family with that barrel of laughter
You can, if you can lift it.
Same here in Norway. In Oslo over 1000 scheduled services for the city’s busses were cancelled due to charging and poor range. It’s a complete disaster.
Thanks for sharing that... good to know.
One could say a planned disaster, because they would have known from basic chemistry/physics and experience with ANY battery in cold weather what was going to happen.
This is what people call: growing pains. All these problems are because of very cold winter in rich countries. You see far fewer problems in say California or Texas. EV is getting better every day. The engineers are working hard on the issues, there are way less problems in warmer climates. But they will be better next year, and year after next.
Its true and i believe batteries may become way better at some times in the future. The problem is there are large swats of land that regularly experience severe cold. We can’t all live in Texas, California or Central Europe. The EV buses the labor/green party demanded be purchased in 2019 cost 100 million dollars in 2024 value. That was for 70 busses and a huge charging infrastructure charging park. They will now after just 4 years be sold because they have too short range and don’t work in cold weather. A nice learning experience for the taxpayer and those unfortunate buss users that couldn’t get to work.
and you voted for the morons. so dont complain
Best part of that Chicago story, which wasn’t shown, was a kid at the charging station who was laughing and said, “There’s a bunch of dead robots out here!”
Exactly, that was the best part. EVs are the future, eh? I give them less than 10 years to become obsolete. One of my clients has a Chevy Volt for 8 years, then it went to crap. It was too expensive to fix, so they took a loss. What's genius is, they then bought a Chevy Bolt. A car lasting 8 years and then scrapped, so let's buy another piece of junk. Smfh
@@deadvegdweller Planet saved! Your client may now consume as they wish with total abandon, free of eco guilt.
Simon, I found you at 15K subscribers.. 46K a month or so later... You're absolutely crushing it!! Thank you for your voice of reason and sanity... The end of this 'green' madness is long overdue...
Thank you!!
Try 3 or 4 months
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Keep on producing and you will hit one million subscribers. You are doing important work that needs to get out there. Hopefully you won't get shutdown by the environmentalists.
Suck it up, princess @@jarnosaarinen4583
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i suspect many of the same people struggling with their EV's are now subbing to him lol.
someone they would have likely fought tooth and nail back when they believed in the whole EV bullshit.
These EV's are exceptional as long as there are moderate temperatures. But hot and cold temps are not a problem as long as there are fleets of gas powered taxis, ubers, and tow trucks to come to the rescue.
California wants to ban gas powered vehicles eventually. This is a backward thinking proposition
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On a recent MacMaster video, he encountered two British Telecom Openreach (landline/broadband provider) vans parked at chargers. He spoke to one of the engineers inside: "How do you like having to use an electric van now, compared with what they previously gave you?" The engineer replied: "It's great! We now get to spend a third of our working day sitting at a charging point, messing about on our smartphones, while still getting paid the same wage!" Meanwhile, presumably, the customers are having to wait even longer before an engineer turns up to do an install or repair... How very efficient... :-(
A third of his working day? Really? The average ev will take at most around 30-40 minutes to get full battery. The working day is 8-9 hours. If you plug it in before you go on lunch and before you go home for the day you have two fill ups that cost you no actual work time. 1/3 of 8 hours is roughly 4-5 charges. Do you really think these guys are charging their van 6-7 times per day? Think it through before you trash on something.
@@blaeshoflen8663tesloid spotted comment ignored.
@@blaeshoflen8663yes, I believe they will spend close to 1/3 of their shift charging. They are probably operating bigger vehicles than a Tesla. And it’s pretty cold right now. Think it through
not to mention the gear they would have to cart around with them so thats all added weight. we all know how adding weight(towing) in EVs is super dooper efficient🤣
@@randycantu7523 Ford Transit - sized vans.
From Cheyenne Wyoming here. Had Temps of -14 with a windchill of -49. Have an ICE SUV parked on driveway outside. Hubby started engine with remote on keyfob before he needed to leave and it was nice and toasty when he left for work. No EV's for this family.
I want to thank the owners of EV for resetting the weather... sorry, climate.... back to the way it was 70 years ago. Yes, it got very cold in the winter, and yes, we had lots of snow. This winter is normal weather for North America.
You've made a difference with your purchase and I can only encourage you to buy more EVs.
Funny!😄😄😄
They at Davos forgot to refer to natures weather or the Kklimytte Airforce's spreading of liquid nitrogen, pathogens, poisons, graphite etc...the great lithium battery is a total farce in extreme weather conditions 😅
Keep working! One day you might be able to afford one, lil' buckaroo😂
@@Plisken65 Pennies on the dollar for a used Tesla. Go buy another one.
@@Plisken65 We don't want the useless things, I for one will be using my petrol car for as long as I can. I wouldn't drive one if you paid me. It's like sitting on working microwave oven 😂
I saw a show on Netflix with Ewan MacGregor and another chap rode EV motorcycles from the southern tip of South America to California. In the cold weather in Chile, they had to bring the motorcycles into their hotel room to try to charge them. Then they had the nerve to laugh at their cameraman who had to later wait an hour for a gas truck to gas his gasoline motorcycle.
The left isn't going to let us keep internal combustion engines because many of them are heavily invested in EV components. Vote them out!
Thanks for the heads up on MacGregor! That should be a good watch. Few years ago I watched his long way down , he's awesome! Like him in Moulin Rouge too.
wow you politicize EV's ?? are you so dense? Here most EV drivers in my country are right wing. Because it makes financial sense in business terms. MONEY talks. You are just emotional and put everybody in left and right corners. The world isn't so black and white my friend. Anyway im a right wing voter in my country, but not the populistic right wing.
@@HermanWillems I politicize it because the leftist in government are abusing their power to push it. Gavin Newsome has already banned internal combustion engines after 2035 and other states are following. Biden is stopping oil drilling leases to artificially drive up gas prices. You're damn right it's political.
I don't give a damn if someone wants to waste money on this but they want to force me to buy them.
Ewan's mate is Charlie Boorman, actor, TV Presenter and ex Dakar motorbike rider amongst other things.
The guys were loaned a pair of R&D versions of the Harley Davidson Live Wire bike for the 13,000 mile trip from Argentina to LA. Also some of their support team were in R&D versions of the Rivian electric pick-up trucks.
The cold played it's part on charging and performance. In some cases they had to use a standard domestic electrical plug to charge their bikes when staying in guest houses as the EV infrastructure hadn't been rolled out yet.
As with all the "Long Way" series, Long Way Up is well worth a watch.
The Left The Right OMG... Why bring in the politics idealism? ICE cars works, EV cars works too. EV has some issue, ICE cars are not perfect. Peace ☮🕊
I have to say that when I got up in the-20 Celsius and turned the key in my gas powered car and it started right up.None of my gas disappeared over night. By the way every gas station I passed didn’t have cars 🚗 parked waiting for fuel.
Uet
@@did_I_hurt_your_fee_fees Hi Joe,sorry i don’t understand the meaning of Uet? Thanks
Got in my LEAF this morning in 8 Fahrenheit. Pushed button, drove off. Low center of gravity incredibly stable on slick roads, regen more stable than tapping the brakes to slow down. Heat worked fine. And plenty of range for the 30 mile commute home. It's not a problem if you know what you're doing. The folks in Chicago clearly dont.
@@Plisken65 Your example does not reflect the reality of the EV problem. Chicago is only one example of many. Where I live we only see EVs in nice weather. Once the winter cold and storms hit you wont see an EV anywhere. They know they are not reliable.Its a novelty. Nothing else. They will never replace an ICE.
@@Plisken65 Yes, perfect for 30 miles. Had Volt similar situation. On 120v home charger for 6-8 hours, 25 mile drive to work, 25 mile home... Back on charger. Must think twice which vehicle to take if running errands/shopping... anything out of usual commute. Heaven forbid driving in salted slush, saltwater invasion = multiple catastrophic electrical failures
We have known this in Sweden for years. EVs have no waste heat to warm the car with.
There has been a similar issue with trains for the past 60 years. Heating and ventilation is a significant component in the energy consumption of trains. When trains were hauled by steam locomotives they could be heated by waste exhaust steam, or a direct draw-off from the boiler at about 80% efficiency. efficiency. When trains are electrically heated the efficiency drops to less than 30%.
I love this guy. Finally, someone exposing the EV farce
There are actually others on YT before this man, nonetheless he does a swell job.
I saw a few Teslas on the road yesterday as they passed me, around -9 f to 6 f, Teslas have a distinctive look, and are easy to spot, when sitting up as high as I do in the truck. Now this is just an observation from my seat, everyone driving these Teslas was bundled up like that kid in "The Christmas Story", and I mean bundled up, as in they had no heat.
One woman looked like she had a few coats on and multiple scarves, along with a heavy winter hat. The only way you knew she was a person was her sunglasses peering over the steering wheel from underneath all of the winter clothing. Also, all of these drivers were wearing gloves, like again, they had no heat in the car.
Something more obvious, the window defrosters did not look to be working in any of them. I was actually surprised to see any of these on the road yesterday, especially in this cold of weather.
It's amazing all the accessories in a gas powered vehicle are run off a battery which is always being recharged by a power generating alternator.
Lol they were probably driving to a supercharge station on 10% battery
BUAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! That's freakin' hilarious!!!! AHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! I only do work in the cold if I'm getting paid, and work provides the uniform... BUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA................(legend has it, I died from too much laughter. Next time they tell you it's the best medicine, remind them of "The Melt" (that's me!) and teach them thar doctors that the difference between medicine and poison is dose, those damned dummies!!)
I live in montana and people are moving up here from california, oregon, and also washington(much to my dismay).
And every winter the used car dealerships get flooded with teslas.
Which are then turned around and sold back in california.
😂👍
Be careful Montana soon those people are going to start importing the idiocy from Kookiefornia
this is maybe? the truth but in usa i tend to believe what i hear every day
It's truely stupid when you are told to park and charge your EV outside then told to park and charge your EV inside when it's too cold.
Hahaha I love the threads here .. all classic comments 😂😂 lot of stupid gullible ev owners
I’m glad you put this out. You hit the nail on the head.
I fly RC aircraft in the UK and to do so I have to read the CAA drone code and pass a test confirming my understanding. The hobby predominantly uses Lithium batteries and one part of the code warns that these batteries do not hold their charge as long in cold weather which will limit flight times and range, and demands that we account for this to be able to fly safely. The CAA are a government organisation so the government blooming well do know that Lithium batteries don’t work so well in the cold.
Indeed so - they seem to regain their memory when it’s important…
Car brands should be forced to indicate EV range at 25C, 0C and -25C.
@@mguytv Its much much much more important to get people into digital vehicles that can be turned off with the push of a button remotely. You can't have those pesky peasants moving around to places you don't want them now.
Is blooming to bloody what darn is to damn?
@@arc00ta If China does invade Taiwan keep a sharp look out for their EVs grinding to a halt on the roads as they can I assume be firmware bricked in an instant. Has anyone reverse engineered the code running in these cars and its vulnerability? The UK government is running hell for leather away from any Chinese involvement in networking but their code running in the people's cars travelling at high speeds seems to be no problem. This same government will of course run hell for leather in to any war that flares up anywhere on the globe despite near non existent defense expenditure. Will the governments even care if there are dangers whist this fanatical climate agenda overrides everything.
It's quite common in Canada for ICE cars to be fitted with engine block heaters and remote start.
This means the engine oil/coolant is.already warm when you start the car.
And it only takes an Amp or two at 120 volts vs 20 amps plus on 220 or 240 volts to charge an EV.
Tell that to the morons in Chicago.@@JrGoonior
I see so they are in fact partially electric cars.
@@JrGoonior lmfao.....
they dont make good engine block heaters any more because new cars come with aluminium blocks with no frost plugs
I live in Saskatchewan. Our temps for the last week have been -30 to -50. I have been out and about in my gas powered Tacoma and haven't seen a single EV rolling. Not that many here were dumb enough to buy an EV. Your channel has great insight into why I should maintain my current vehicle long into the future.
Oot and aboot😂. Sorry, just had to…..
I've been out in my BMW EV and it's been fantastic. Hello from Indian Head. Sorry you're taken in by this nonsense. Never will we return to an ICE vehicle. The EV is better in almost all regards other than winter range and speed of charging. These only matter on a long road trip and even at that, not that big of deal.
Not many dumb enough to live in Saskatchewan.
@@abefroman7393 We are not from Scotland. No one in western Canada actually talks like that.
@@abefroman7393 LMAO
When has the government ever been honest with the public it is supposed to represent?
The biggest vulnerability of EVs is something that nobody talks about...the fact that they're "connected" cars and can be disabled en masse with the push of a button by some unknown person far away.
Yep this is also behind the big push to make steering and braking electric. Your computer can't control hydraulics and cables as readily.
They can do that with most of all the new ice vehicles too. I have a 2023 Colorado and I’m sure all my electronics can be shut down remotely rendering it useless.
Now you are seeing the big picture. Again, it is not about the environment, or "saving lives" it is about control. Plain and simple while the politicians and celebrities who push all this nonsense fly around in their gas-powered jets.
@@adrianfres2185 You don't have has much power over an ICE vehicle especially one with a manual. Interesting how they over that last few years politicians have been finding ways to phase out manuals. If it was not for the push back from enthusiasts, all manuals would be gone by now. Without the driver, a manual car is not going anywhere. With and EVs and the push for autonomous driving a thief of the government does not even have to go out to the car but program the car to come to him. There is a huge difference.
Same may be done with electronically controlled washing machines in the not too distant future when your locale has water restrictions.
Canada had that level of problems with the electrical grid with EV ownership at 3%, imagine what will happen when the number of EVs increases to 10, 20, 40%.
what happend with the global warming?? that,s make this cars posible with A LOT of taxpayer dollars.??
Oh, like the bill that (fortunately had gotten shot down) would have mandated everyone to have an electric vehicle by 2024?🤪
" Range drops to 300km in cold"
That's only 180 miles, so you can't make a 90 mile trip and back without sweating it, or stopping for a long long charge
Dont people get it yet ?
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The rich people are preparing for a future where most of us are dead and gone so they get to keep this all to themselves
Simple answer, everyone's electric rates will increase considerably to pay for grid upgrades. You will essentially be paying for other people to drive EVs. As another example of how oblivious people are, all of the EV fan boys will complain about the higher electric costs.
Tesla owners must feel blessed that recovery trucks still use internal combustion engines.
lol
Living in northern Canada and the distances driven coupled with six months of winter, ownership of an electric vehicle with frequent cold snaps and storms could prove fatal. When I fill up my Honda ridgeline it resets and tells me I can drive 700km, plus I can carry extra fuel if needed. These cars are designed for a California climate.
I am a tow truck driver in Canada. I haven't towed many ev's maybe towed 5 total and 4 of them were due to flat tires. had not one but two calls for dead ones over the weekend. First was a f150 lightening that ran out of range in the -25°C weather, that guy at least stopped before it was entirely dead. Next night a tesla S that drove until completely dead. I ended up refusing to tow it because it could not be winched on from the rear and I could not access the front or put it in "tow mode" as the display was dead. Not worth the risk of doing 10s of thousands of dollars damage so I left it there. Did see instructions on boosting the 12v system to activate the display unit to put it in tow mode, but instructions said to boost for no more than 20 seconds. What happens after 20 seconds? No idea but wasn't planning on finding out.
Multiply that call out when the percent of ev use is mandated.
I only get around 700km range in Winter with my ice, down from 770 in the summer :/. So I might have to go to gas station once a week thanks to this :/ hate to spend 10 minutes of my life to fill up the car. I wish I had a EV so I could stand there for hours in the cold and wait without response, and when it finally works, I can sit for hours and charge, while sipping on my $15 starbucks coffe and think how much money I save.
Gee this comment is gonna be popular with the usual EV sycophants that can’t help themselves but come here for extra ego slashes😅
To my thinking, they are only an auxiliary vehicle for going to a local market. When they first came out I thought eventually we might get one for just that. Foolishly I expected that over time there would be fewer problems, more benefits. But the opposite has proven to be. I do feel bad for anyone who made that expensive choice, and are stuck with one.
And with a Jerry can or two in the boot, another 200-400km can be added without a gas station involved at all. Crazy stuff.
@@lilolmecj Same thoughts here.
Why does everyone with an ice car lie so much? Did I lie this much before I stopped driving an ice vehicle over 8 years ago?
My lad works as a postman here in Britain. The Post Office in their wisdom have changed their fleet of internal combustion engined vans to battery powered vans. In warm weather, the vans have a range of around 170 miles, (yes, we still work in miles here in Blighty) but in the cold snap we are having now, the range is down to around 140 miles. So, that's not too bad, still gets the job done, but one of the other problems is the heating. My son tells me that the only way to heat the van anything like is to have the system set on recirculation, as the heater will not cope with the cold air drawn from outside. The problem with that is, a postman/woman is in and out of the van all the time, and getting wet in the process if it's raining. Wet clothing and recirculating heating means the widows misting up, so one is left with either poor heating, but you can see where you're going, or reasonable heating driving blind.... Overnight, the vans are left charging close to one another in a locked compound, so it is to be hoped that one of them does not go into thermal runaway, there could be a lot of people waiting a long time for their mail🤔
Fucking brilliant. England is finished , enjoy , I escaped
If one made a list of the thousands of reasons to stay away from EV's this would be on it. A list of "reasons to buy an EV" would only have a few things on it.
My wife applied at the post office for years, got hired on, here in the States, worked for them for a decade or so, full time after years of part time, two in the morning start. She died of COPD three years ago, having been bedridden the last five years of her life and much of it due to her work condition and hours. What you describe of 'in and out all the time" was substantially her health demise. I'm glad she's not here for the current "debate". It's our grandchildren and great grandchildren I worry about today. We, US/UK have much in common even these days. I just bought a new Jeep last year to replace my forty plus year old car. My best to you!
Tell your son to look up "defrost windows with shaving cream". If you want to test it out rub a bit of shaving cream on your bathroom mirror. Let it dry then buff off the residue. Now take a hot shower, notice the spot you treated is fog free?
I learned this from an old guy back when I had a 1962 VW Bug...it saved my life on more than one occasion 😊
@@JoeBLOWFHB Now THAT is Brilliant!
I live in Sweden 🇸🇪. This winter we had up to -20 Celsius degrees. I saw a lot of stranded cars beside different roads....all of them EV:s.😊
I dread the day when there will be rolling power outages throughout Australia because the system can't cope with the thousands of morons who were sucked into buying EVs all trying to charge their vehicles at the same time.
Time to put in battery storage for my solar panels I think.
Save your money on a battery and get a natural gas Generac generator, like many people in the US have. Wired into the home, auto start, very quiet, relatively maintenance free.
The NSW government during summer routinely tells people to dial down their air conditioners to avoid blackouts - so how in the hell do they think the grid would cope with everyone plugging in their EVs.
I've done that to my house on the gold Coast and it stood me in good stead during the recent storm blackouts.
Oh man, whats BS is here....most of the people can reschedule their EV Charging.... Or are you everytime with a low fuel tank in your garage?
And the small amount of people, who really need to charge their car. They can. Whats the matter. But the matter is clear your bubble is "fear" that EVs is endangering your beloved wrooomwroommss.....
Fortunately we never had any rolling blackouts here in Alberta this time, because enough people reduced their electricity usage to prevent that from being necessary. That is the first time that I ever got such a notice. But, it does show that the grid isn't ready for a much higher EV adoption rate without a lot more grid capacity to handle them and extreme cold weather at once.
If you are ever in a position where your gasoline or diesel car is stuck in a snow drift. It is important to make sure that your exhaust is clear of obstruction. You can keep yourself warm, but you don't want to get carbon monoxide poisoning. If you have an electric car, well best of luck to you. Either way, keep coveralls, a good coat, and gloves in your vehicle. I always keep a 5 gallon can of fuel in the bed of my truck in the winter also.
Grandpa lives in Alaska. He doesn't leave the house without his survival bag. Massive duffel bag full of clothes and mres and stuff that takes up half of his back seat. When you've got the heat cranked to the max and the inside of the car windows are freezing.. you better be scared. That will kill you within hours if you're not ready for it.
I just keep my tank over half so if im at half tank then thats 15 gallons. Gotta stay safe😊
Funny you should say that, I have a brand new Toyota Aygo X, and when I’m standing still the hot air goes cold? And then when I pull away again the air goes hot again.
@@randomidiot8142 Reserve fuel is another EV failure. At least gasoline cars you can walk to a station and get a can if needed. I don't think buying a few 9volt batteries will help with the EVs. :D
Oh, I don't know. They have a tendency to spontaneously burst into flames, and when that happens they burn for hours and hours. That'd keep you toasty warm!
It's a crying shame that we didn't commit to diesel hybrids as the powertrain of the future. Unfortunately the VW Dieselgate scandal made everyone scared of diesel and steered us towards this EV disaster instead. At least diesels are proven to WORK and not leave drivers stranded.
The sorry of the diesel engine in North America is a tragic one indeed. Even petrol hybrids where the engine operates under optimal load conditions are a very good option. And probably have cheaper emissions control systems than diesels.
Diesels have been demonized for no reason other than to follow the political narrative. A modern diesel hybrid would be a great combination, but we'll likely never see it.
So why was electric chosen as the way, instead of say, hydrogen?
@@mikejenkins6904Just less influential US and global oligarghs backing the gas than the EV.
@@mikejenkins6904 it takes more energy to make hydrogen than to charge a battery that will go the same distance not to mention the fact that hydrogen is not wildly sold or parts for car production mass produced, as battery and electric engines already were mass produced before Ev came out. in my opinion the best choice would be a natural gas hybrid with only electric power train and natural gas as a generator.
A Tesla owner that I know carries a 2000 watt Honda inverter in his trunk in winter , just in case. Back in the 70s I spent 16 hours stuck on a Dutch motorway because of heavy snowfall, an jackknifed trucks. But my tank was full.
A BEV can easily keep the heater running inside for at least 30 hours. th-cam.com/video/bpzB3RbjuHI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=QgDSU6P_caCf6Dsu
Recently watched an EV dealer video about EV winter driving advice. Which totally ignored cold battery range degradation, and implied that it was all due to using the heater in the winter. A Tesla owner has enough range to live with a massive range reduction, but what happens when all commercial vehicles are all converted to electric. The whole delivery infrastructure, and taxis and bus services will grind to a halt.
Doesn’t the cyber truck do a million miles between services ? There will be millions of them running around 24/7/365 and we will all be happy once Elon gets production up from 1 every 2 years.
How shocking! It's just a shame that nobody has been warning about these issues. Oh wait! Anybody who understands ANYTHING about batteries or vehicles has been warning about this!
Thumbs up!
In Alberta, they sent out an emergency text that said "Don't charge your cars. The grid is close to capacity and people need their heat." It was below -45°C recently. I did some calculations for the number of cars in Canada and if they were all electric. Canada would have to double its power output, and pack that second amount into 8 hours overnight for charging. It's simply not possible.
Edit: Oh, there it is, that text. 4:21.
Please open your calculation numbers and lets debunk your bs.
@@muten861Do you even know how and why generalized power distribution relies on a multi stage generating system?
@@absolutium EV cultists are like Vegans no matter how much evidence you present to all the nonsense they've completely bought into their religion no matter what..don't even bother.
Base your calculations off 5-10% of current population levels.
How many people heat their house via electric? Has there been a changeover from natural gas?
I love freezing weather because IT'S a reality check for the EVS OWNERS!!!
I'm Canadian, so I know a bit about driving in cold weather.
If you're stuck in a snowbank and it's -40 degrees (and that's the same if it's C or F), you can run your car for 10 minutes to warm up the cabin, then turn it off for 20 minutes.
You can keep that up for hours. In two cases I know personally, you can do it for a whole day and night. The only think is, depending on which way the snow is drifting, you may have to kick the snow away from your exhaust pipe to keep the fumes from backing up.
This is common knowledge in rural Ontario, or for that matter, _any_ province or territory. including PEI, which is very small and well-populated in comparison to someplace like Saskatchewan or the Labrador.
I understand from my wifes uncle that even a candle burning inside the vehicle with a window just cracked open can give enough heat to stop you freezing to death if you are caught in snow.
As one in Ontario.. i am able to relate.
@@johnutting9615 The heating power of a candle corresponds to around 38 to 100 watts. But usually more like 38 watts than 100 watts. If you really believe that you can survive for many hours with a candle in sub-zero temperatures, then you are already an applicant for the Darwin Award. Good luck, you'll need it badly too. :))
Survival is one thing, but most people want to keep their fingers and toes. Bad rumors say that life without fingers and toes isn't so great.
@@johnutting9615Your wife's uncle is wrong cars aren't insulated and the cold coming in the crack window will totally overpower a candle. If this were true it would be one of Tesla's cold weather tips.
Here in Canada we had temps of -56C with the windchill. Saw very very few EV's as they suck in our climate.
i hate getting -53c ambient temps here . not many EVs on the road for a goo part of winter in my area
Same here in Russia. A couple of ev in my neighborhood, none to be seen when its below -20. Recently it was -43c. My diesel Citroen runs just fine with AC preheater.
Edmonton's electric transit buses that were hyped for Edmonton Transit (ETS) have turned out to be a total dud in the cold, and that was know well before this extreme cold spell. I bet they are off the road this week.
@@Niroborn That's remarkable to get a diesel going at such cold temperatures. I remember in the early 1990s, during a prolonged minus 30 to minus 20 cold spell, some kids got into the yard where the diesel school buses are parked for the night and unplugged all of the block heaters. Not one of the them started the next morning and kids got a day off.
Very clever and nothing was vandalized or destroyed.
Yeah....That's not climate mate. That's insane.
I cannot believe that the EV Industry does not push two of the biggest benefits of EV's i.e. you can use them (once) as a mobile crematorium and in cold weather as a immobile fridge/freezer.
hahahahhahahahhahahahaha witty. So basically EMCs... Electric Mobile Crematoriums.... and IFs..
You have great insight
LOL
Sadly I don't see this fantastic secondary function advertised anywhere in the promotional brochure. 🤔
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"I promise you can believe me bro I get paid money when you do" is the entire EV industry in one sentence
Live in Illinois here and the Woodmans Supermarket 2 miles from my house has about 30 chargers. It is a complete clusterfuck and looks like a scene out of the Benny Hill Show.
Go there and blast sheep bleating sounds from your speakers.
Tempted to do so but the dem controlled cops here might arrest me and the woke crowd might assault me.@@liberty0758
Reminds me of the busses that were converted to run on biodiesel. In the northern US states, the freezing temperatures caused the vegetable fat to separate from the rest of the liquid, gumming up the engine and leaving the passengers stranded. They had to rip out all the engines and convert them back to gasoline.
No bus with 10+ passengers runs on gasoline.
Wow, what a load of bullshit. Biodiesel isn't used in winter and no city ever converted diesel bases to gasoline.
That is what a heating system for the oil is for. We did the grease car thing years ago and you have to have a heating system. They are not practical if you are going to drive a lot and for long distances. They use diesel not gasoline
Well, the government even botched that up. If you did ANY, at all, research into making and running a biodiesel, or more likely, waste vegetable oil engine, you would, in the VERY beginning of it, come across the idea that you need a fuel tank preheater and have it turned ON when in temps that would solidify the oil. Again, it's not insurmountable when planned for, but it's kind of remiss to miss the step of propergly configuring an vehicle to run on veggie oil or biodiesel.
Awesome
My wife has a 2016 Ford Focus with heated seats, heated steering wheel and a remote starter. She also, can push a button and, by the time she gets out to her car, the seats are warm, the steering wheel is warm and everything is defrosted.. plus she can drive as long as she wants - and back, without having to look for a charger.
Tell me again when battery life finally goes you have to buy a new battery and yo have scrap car because battery are worth more than car
@@trevormappleyI think he's saying she DOESN'T have an EV
@@brondahawkins9264 what a fool I am I totally misread that 😂😂😂
@@trevormappley Its okay, we all do that. If you're in my time zone, or worse a bit east of mine, then we ought to be sleeping already since its just several hours to dawn, bleary eyes do not good reading comprehension make XD
An ev will do that too. If you can’t afford a garage I get why having an ice vehicle makes more sense, especially in the north. People sitting outside and buying all their power from superchargers is dumb af, but let’s not pretend that ev’s don’t have functional heated seats, steering wheels, and defrosters.
A video everyone who is considering buying an EV vehicle should watch before spending their hard-earned money. Thanks for the information.
Here in Canada, for example, it's not just the risk of Electric Cars bringing down the Electrical Grid in the winter.
It's our Government's pushing for more heat pumps, which use electricity, cersus natural gas for Home Heating.
Also heat pumps only work to around - 15c efficiently.
So below - 15 they need to switch over to 100% electric heat.
Electric heat pumps, electric cars, electric stoves and all the other electric stuff we already have. All the while depending on solar and wind because they were too scared to build nuclear power plants. Not sure how the grid is supposed to handle it.
They do the same and much more aggressive in Germany. We are watching and waiting. The writing is on the wall... 😉
Can anybody name me a reliable heat source that doesn't use electricity? 🤔
@@hamaarahof5712 And Germany simply does not get enough sunshine, nor enough wind, to go totally wind and solar. Full stop. Can't move Germany to a different part of the planet. But hey, maybe 'climate change' WILL mean it eventually ends up with enough wind and sun? Bring it on!
Sounds very familiar to me as a German…
A BEV is basically a $50K-100K Tamagotchi that requires your attention 16 hours a day (precodition the battery, make sure it does not go below 30%, etc.)
Great analogy!
LOL!
exactly... look at how the EV owners respond to the problems... it's like it's their fault they didn't jump through all the required hoops to keep their $50k+ junk box working.
The "Battery Pre-Condition Button" warms the battery prior to charging to the battery can store more power but is nothing more than a huge electric heater which takes a LOT of power and DOES NOT WORK when the battery is flat or nearly so. In other words if you drive (or are pushed) to a charger you don't have anything spare to pre-heat the battery with before charging.
I'm 50 years old and none of my cars has ever had, or needed, a gas-tank enlarger button!
That doesn't. make sense. How could you not have power for the pre-condition if you are connected to a charger?
@@VPWedding Try plugging a dead phone or kindle into a charger and you will see that it does not work until there is enough power to boot up the system, when the battery is so cold or flat it cannot hold a charge it cannot transfer the power to the conditioner.
This is exactly the same reason that a power station CANNOT power itself up, it need power to work which it does not have until after it starts working. Our entire world is balanced on things only working because other things allow it to work, which in turn can only work if the first thing is working!
@@VPWedding There's likely no option for the charger to "bypass the compressor" and activate the battery heater directly, if it can't do that and is waiting on the battery management software to say it's ready because it's too cold but is too flat/cold to run the heater well...
@@carlchapman4053 It takes maybe a minute for a phone to wake up from zero charge, once it is plugged in. Even that is to prevent the CPU from loosing power in mid boot due to the USB being disconnected. In a car it would take five seconds of charge to be certain you could run the CPU for an hour. From there, there is no reason not to use the power from the charger directly to power the heater. Electric cars might run low on power, but they aren’t going to suddenly not start like an ICE car will. And I’ve dealt with cars with no heat.
Any parking lot can be made into an EV charger at low cost, with no spaces lost. We were able to build gasoline infrastructure when we needed it, why would electricity be harder?
Getting stuck on the freeway for hours is an edge case with a simple solution. Build chargers at the side of the road every mile or so. They are cheaper than street lamps, and can plug into the same existing circuits.
@@volentimeh There is nothing in an electric car analogous to a compressor. And connecting a heater to a power source is one of the simplest circuits possible. An electric car connected to a charger will heat much faster than an ICE car with no gas rolled up to a pump. And that is assuming the ICE car will start in the cold at all.
A rather unexpected blizzard struck Southern Sweden a month ago and people were stranded on the highways for a day or even for a night as well. Some of the issues were due to lorries from S Europe with tires not made for icy roads.
However people had to stay in their cars waiting to be “rescued”. When the roads were cleared the tow trucks had to come and tow the EVs away, but if people in “normal” cars had run out of gas, the tow trucks could offer some few liters from the jerry cans they always bring along.
This surprises me, running out of juice means your car has to be towed. Can’t you have a spare battery that can take you a few miles to nearest charger?!
I have always been steadfastly against EVs for the obvious reasons that the technology is not advanced enough yet and the grid infrastructure woefully inadequate. I cannot understand why the mainstream media are not highlighting the pitfalls of EV ownership in order to empower their readership/listeners. Do they really hold their client base in such contempt. Thank you for enlightening the public about these ridiculous vehicles.
In Canada, the MSM only spouts government censored propaganda, not truth.
Yes.
it's not about being "green", it's about control. they hate the freedom your gas car provides. once you see how they behave through that lens, everything makes sense.
As someone who grew up in Wisconsin, you can't even trust that your gas car will start in a polar vortex because of how the extreme cold affects the car's battery. Wtf did the EV owners think would happen during a polar vortex?!?! 🤦♀️😂
but they're driving their 9volt toy cars to stop global warming, I imagine they're thrilled it's so cold.
They counted on Electric Jesus performing miracles, but he was bussy tweeting.. Or is it "xing" now?
There is no such thing as a “polar vortex”.
It’s called “winter weather”
The climate nazis just come up with these names to scare everyone with the climate emergency nonsense.
Modern ICE cars now start under ANY condition give computer engine management and multiport fuel injection.
They are unbelievably reliable now.
Not like when I was a kid.
I live in southern Missouri and drive older vehicles and totally agree. The batteries are far weaker to start our vehicles so that adds more difficulty. I will never (intentionally) own an EV
I am in Ontario, so i am able to relate to what you brought up Catherine. What the Judas were they thinking? EVs owners, the victims not the crooks running the this global colossal scam, are Dunning-Kruger Effect competition level types and thus also are lead by emotions _[morality pageantry],_ not down to earth, non-fantasy obsessed, experiential and erudite, sound reasoning and knowledge.
I'm from Saskatchewan. The last few days have seen the temperature drop to minus 50C with windchill. What the CBC news left out in the Alberta alert, was that SaskPower was providing Alberta with 153MW of power generation. That generation was coming from mainly coal and gas fired plants. Which was needed as Alberta's wind and solar farms stopped generating during this extreme cold that is typical January weather in these parts. I haven't driven my old diesel truck during this past week of cold, but I needed to yesterday. Been sitting in the cold for a week, plugged in the block heater for two hours and started right up. I'll get 800ish kms range in this cold without much fuss.
As for these EV zealots saying you can go into your phone app to preheat your EV car, the same can be done on most modern ICE vehicles. Heck, on even the old ones that's why they invented remote starters. My dad had that on his '86 Buick Riviera.
I went to a few shops yesterday, one of them had their automated door not working due to the cold. Most things don't like the cold, especially electronics. It's why I'll keep driving old vehicles up here.
Same here up in northern Sweden (lappland). -46c in the society and up in the mountainroads it was -52c. When battery runs out, your dead. Ev's simple wont last here, hell they wouldnt even last in southern sweden where it "only" was -30c. We also got warnings that the powergrid is overloaded and people up here resorted to the traditional way of heating their houses.
I also drive a diesel car which has a remote preheater, works great even in these temperatures as long as you use it. Without it, it simply wont start. Combustion engines is the most reliable in extreme weather so far.
Minnesota, Chicago, and Canadian Prairie and Yukon really are differently cold, an EV may be OK for Ontario barely and even great in Texas BUT up here range is 30% in -20 F. . . . . We forget Minnesota and Prairie are differently cold, month at -20 is differrent than +20..... a gas car didn't care but not will EVs react different.....
Yes, the old type 4 VWs back in the 1960s had a petrol-fired heater that you could set to run any time by an alarm on the car's clock.
"Which was needed as Alberta's wind and solar farms stopped generating during this extreme cold that is typical January weather in these parts."
^ This. What sort of "critical infrastructure" is not designed to work in typical January weather? Back in 2021 in the Texas cold snap, partly blamed on inadequate "winterization" of wind turbines, folks were saying that this isn't an issue in colder climates. There, wind turbines are set up to work in conditions like this. Looks like that's another green energy fairy tale.
@@mr.blackwell555 I often see a lot of propaganda going on about all the ev's in Norway and how great they are lol
Glad to see these EV owners enjoying their new piece of technology! Go Green!!!
Due to increased charging losses and charging time between 80-100%, they suggest maintaining the battery charge between 20% and 80% to preserve the lifetime of the battery, Which only leaves you with a daily operating window or 60% of the batteries capacity.
Which the cold reduces by another 30%.
Thanks for the reminder...i've read that more than a few times as the received advice.
Most days you only use 50% with a full days driving. So not really an issue.
Its not that we all warned them about cold weather effecting battery cars, but the EVangelists types just shouted everyone down. They will probably state they should have charged at home in a garage, but forget that in cities like Chicago most people live in apartments.
Just tell them to run an extension cord out the window. 🤪
Whether you're a fan of his or not, Jacob Rees Mogg in the UK perfectly encapsulated the issue of EV's, and that was " why would you buy an inferior product"
Inferior product? Explain to me how the standard commute to work usage is inferior in an EV. I don't need to charge at a Supercharger. I can have a car be ready to go in the morning even if parked in the garage (ICE cars can't do that unless you want carbon monoxide poisoning). Then upon my departure, I have a car that compared to ICE is faster, quieter, less prone to failure, and less costly to 'refill'.
@suserman7775 To answer your question. Yes. Notice how you use the very narrow usage criteria of a standard commute. Wasn't quite sure why you think that you can't go to your garage and drive straight off in a petrol or diesel vehicle because " it won't be ready", what on earth does that mean?
@@suserman7775if you have to do alot of prep work before using said product. Then it is an inferior product.
@@61js More cognitive dissonance from EVangelists, as if he didn't just watch the video. Sure, ICE cars can run out of gas and leave you stranded, but gas range is more predictable in all types of weather than EV electric range can be as proven in this very video. Most ICE car owners will gas up before they get to E in any weather condition and won't have to wait several hours to do it.
And yes, the tech in an EV is amazing, but we just aren't ready yet to go all in until the infrastructure catchs up with the technology. EVangelists are too narrow-minded to see that. It's like they have on horse blinkers. When trying to reason with them it's like talking to a fanatical religious cult member.
@@suserman7775 because a car provides freedom to travel, not just a standard commute. battery cars are clearly inferior to gas cars in every way. for your example, i'd have to spend at least double to purchase the battery car, which is a pretty high barrier of entry if all i'm getting is a supposedly more comfortable cold morning car entrance. also, if you park your car in the garage where your charger is, why do you need to warm it up at all? does that explain it well enough for you? probably not since you appear to be a fanboi
Alberta, Canada, -45C January 2024. 7 days wait for vehicle boost jump start. Saskatchewan is as much of a barren wasteland as Alberta. Alberta had a warning of possible electrical grid shutdowns the week Monday, January 15, told people to shut down non essential electrical loads. Saskatchewan bailed Alberta out with electrical power diversion. Maybe everyone stopped charging their EVs at that time? Or didnt?
Stay gold.
Call a friend and have him bring you a gallon of electricity
🤣😅👍🏾
I prefer the five-gallon container, myself. . .
I drive an ICE vehicle with electric heated seats, steering wheel and front and rear window defrosters. The difference between my vehicle and an EV is that my range doesn't decrease noticeably when I use them and I can also use the blowers to further heat the interior once the engine warms up. It has been in the -30C range for the past couple of days.
Since you are paying 80% more for fuel, and freezing out at the pump, I would hope you gain something, lol.
$1.06/liter for fuel, 2 minutes for a fill, not sitting for an hour or more for a charge and paying for electricity will will only keep going up as the demand increases. They also do not ask us to limit our fuel use due to the cold temperatures.
@@foam27 Are you really supposed to sit in your car at a Supercharger? LOL The EXTRA up front cost of the BEV with pay for fuel for 5 years.
@@finchbevdale2069so you prefer that young kids in poor countries are being forced to dig up the precious materials needed to make the batteries for your very un-environmental ev? You ok with that? Because I certainly am not. Modern day ice cars are very economical and produce very little pollution, especially the clean diesels.
@@finchbevdale2069 I see. And you have to drive a BEV 75,000 miles just to draw even with an equivalent petrol car on CO2 WHILE YOU are sitting on 15 Pounds of refined COBALT? You realize they make a Doomsday Bomb by adding Cobalt to it to make the halflife deadlier? Besides that CO2 is plant food. The only really significant greenhouse gas is WATER VAPOR. Then there is the fact that one volcanic eruption produces more CO2 than all human activity ever! Figure out how to reduce water vapor or stop a volcanic eruption and I will join you, but not in COBALT poisoning the world with COBALT!
My daughter was a big EV promoter until she got stuck in Reno, Nevada in 22 degree weather. It took her 2 and a half hours to charge her car to 75%. She sat in her car that whole time while it charged freezing. She owned it for 5 years. I tried to tell her the short falls of owning an EV car but until she experienced this shortcoming, she didn't listen to me. She has since sold it for a BMW hybrid.
Dads do know best many times.
You can't reason with people that have rank the cool-aide.
why would she have "sat for 2 hours freezing" while charging you can use the climate control
So, in 5 years she has one bad experience with EV. 2.5 hours of freezing while charging? That’s ridiculous. You can use the heating while charging, this is not your old man gas car, people died from CO+CO2 while using the ac. I charge my car in the 🥶 freeze while my temperature maintains at 22c.
@@doomsday9973Because the heater is electric, and drains the battery. She would have been waiting even longer for it to charge. That much should have been obvious.
My house has a wooden pellets furnace that heats water and pumps into smaller radiators around the house when the weather gets too cold. And I use AC for less cold weather and hot weather.
I own a 100% combustion veichle, the best kind. Still the most evolved form of engines.
People buy untested space technology and expect it to be just like the already proven combustion car.
I watch your show each night. Love it. The EV insanity is our governments obsession. Cheers from Chinada 🇨🇳🇨🇦🍻
It’s all part of a greater agenda which the West is following - the mainstream media promulgates misinformation on purpose! If you listen to mainstream media you are not well informed, you are misinformed.
Last year I still had my BMW i3 and my range dropped from 120 miles to 90 miles in the cold weather. Then the government started saying we might run out of electricity over the winter. I’d already committed to getting rid of my car and never going electric again, but that really drove home just how awful they are.
The government is awful, yes. In most countries.
Congratulations, you've seen the light 👍
@@mattg432 here in NZ we have a new govt that has removed the EV bribe rebate and just introduced road user charges for EV's from April 1st at $76 per 1000km ...they are world leaders in understanding that the consumer can make the choice ..NOT the Govt. NZ runs on diesel powered utes and trucking.
@@graantmnz The next quarterly sales data for NZ vehicle sales is going to be an interesting read
The funniest part is that we've been saying all of this for _years_ now. Some people just have to learn the hard way. I'm not even an anti-EV absolutist, but I live where it gets hot enough in the summer and cold enough in the winter to shorten the range.
The summer really doesn't affect the range much. Even when it hit Triple Digits, my car was still gettin 200+ miles per charge. It's the cold that shortens the range, but that depends on how high you have the heater set to.
What Gas car elitists like this channel don't realize, it costs $30 a month for me to drive my car 50 miles a day, 5 days a week. Show me a gas car that can do the same.
@@jakthebombThanks for your comment. The people in this thread that are so gleeful about this story weren't going to buy an EV anytime soon. They complain about EVs being "pushed" on them... impacting their freedom of choice, but they smugly ridicule their neighbors from exercising their freedom of choice in selecting an EV. Don't tread on me? Fine. Don't tread on anyone?
Well, I don't know about that. 😅
@@jakthebomb So, fuel is cheaper,. Great, doesnt matter much if a charge wont last in an emergency, like being stuch for a few hours.
We are willing to pay the extra for the increased reliability . It is worth it... Money is not everything.
@@nooneyouknow7036 The government is forcing everyone into these pos cars. They are going to destroy transportation.
@@nooneyouknow7036 I don't care what you drive bud. You do you!
I’ve got a BMW X3 diesel with just over 100K miles on the clock and it STILL does 40 miles to the gallon. I wouldn’t swop it for an EV shit heap for all the tea in China. I absolutely love driving my car, it is soooo reliable.
Several years ago I met a Tesla owner charging at a WaWa’s in the US. He liked it but made it clear that it was his toy. For any real trips he used his gas powered car.
So, like a rag top when conditions are right you take it for a spin.
I have a Tesla and live in the south. Its good at commuting and around town errands. Nothing more than that. Would NEVER buy one if I did not have a 2nd ICE car and did not have a house to charge it at. Buying one as a sole vehicle and living in an apartment would be insanity.
Thanks. That makes sense if you can afford it.
@@SOLDOZER Would you buy a hybrid for your only car? What are your thoughts?
I have considered it, but.........
@@doubledranch871 I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid that has been outstanding. It has a NiCad battery and I love it for that as well … I would not buy a Li Ion powered vehicle, Hybrid or EV, the chemistry is just too on the edge for me to be comfortable.
@@dougthomson5544 NiCAD or NiMH?
If you have to replace the battery, can you still get the original type?
I am not opposed to getting a used car - if available! My old 1995 Tacoma was the best vehicle I ever had. No SMALL trucks available now.
My son just got a '23 Tacoma (ICE) and it seems huge to me!
I leased an EV for 2 years recently (didn't want to buy due to poor resale value). In summer it was a fantastic way to zip around town (although I wouldn't want to try long trips). But in winter, you use the lights much more due to shorter daylight, and you use the heat much more (which isn't "free" as it is in a traditional car). In the end I never bought one because they're impractical in winter.
The heat is not free, if you fill up at the gasoline car for 10 dollars, the car needs 3 dollars to get around, and 7 dollars are wasted as heat. The electric car does not have 30% efficiency but 80%, that's 8 out of 10 dollars to get around. When the car is cold, it drops Efficiency is because you have to heat. But with gasoline cars you have more consumption even when the engine is cold, that's condensation losses in the cylinder, which is why a cold engine needs more gasoline,the efficiency drops also to around 20%.
@@alexanderb.9084 You're being desperately childish. You lose.
That's why I put the word free in quotes, indicating there's more to the topic than one simple word. It's free in the sense that if you choose not to use the heat, you can't recoup the value of it, and if you do choose to use it, it costs nothing extra. @@alexanderb.9084
@@eskieman3948 No, that's simple physics, an electric drive is always more efficient than a heat engine.
lol
"Warm your car (EV) in your garage first..." Dude, as an example, when I live in CA just three years ago, no one put their EV in the garage for fear it could burn the house down and kill everyone in their sleep. Charging overnight is problematic enough without the anxiety of lithium battery fires (not as rare as you're told) or, God forbid, explosions.
right on brother
Yup, no way I would be sleeping soundly with a charging ev in a garage unless it was a detached garage
@@juliogonzo2718 Detached garage made of brick at that.
In the early days of january this year, we had a massive snowstorm, trapping drivers on the motorway for 19 hours, the mainstream media, only talked about the unlucky gas and diesel cars, that ran out of fuel, not a single word about all the EV's that had to be towed away, because they can't charge on the motorway, all the normal cars, got some fuel and they were on their way home.
Here in New Jersey, the Winters are nowhere near as bad as they can be in many other States. With this in mind I can tell you of some scary Winter driving stories. A few decades ago, there was an ice storm that happened while people were at work. Those who needed to travel on Interstate 287, ended up being stranded for over 8 hours as the Interstate had to close due to icy conditions. Some people did not have the foresight to keep their gas tanks filled and ran out of gas. They had to seek shelter in the other vehicles but for the most part, all of the ICE vehicles were able to keep the heat going. It is not uncommon on limited access highways for an accident to cause traffic to completely stop for hours as EMS deals with extracting and transporting the crash victims and the wrecks can be moved off the road. This is to say nothing of the times where fog and ice have caused multiple vehicle pile-ups sometimes involving hundreds of cars and trucks. Can you imagine EVs involved in something like that?
YES I CAN 😱🙈💀
My friend was driving from Franklin Lakes to Pompton Plains and got stuck all night in what has to be this exact back up. Imagine EVs in this situation? It would be a "how many died" situation.
If you have a pile-up of EV's, people will be kept plenty warm for hours..
@@hansemannluchter643, 😂.
I worked during the polar vortex here in Illinois. When it was -22° all night. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to have run out of battery in a traffic jam in that type of cold. At least with a gas powered vehicle someone can bring you some gas and you can heat your car. They can't bring you electricity. Even with a generator it's going to take time. And during that time you're going to freeze. Literally. -22° is nothing to fool around with.
You're not supposed to charge your car above 80% because it's better for the battery or something. In addition, you're not supposed to let it go below 20-30% in the cold. So, you're only getting 50-60% of your battery's capacity for at least 3-ish months of the year for a decent chunk of the country here in the US. The future sounds a lot like the distant past.
You should never go below or above those numbers because it degrades battery quicker.
@@johndoe-vy4bt Would you pay full price for your current internet speed if you were only getting 50-60% of the advertised speed? Would you pay for a TV package where you only received 50-60% of the advertised channels? Would you buy a pair of shoes if you could only use them 50-60% of the time for some arbitrary reason? Would you buy/rent a house if you could only use 50-60% of the total space in that house?
If you answered "no" to any of those things, you might want to give your head a wobble to try and shake the government/mainstream news propaganda about lithium batteries (especially as they pertain to EV's) out of your head.
@@rodafowa1279 WTF are you talking about ? Didn't you notice i was pretty much agreeing with you ?
Not the new EV batteries, charge to whatever, 100% in new Tesla batteries.
@@johndoe-vy4bt No, because it sounds exactly like something an EV owner would say.
"Turn into a freezing brick"
This happens during the brutal winters in Norway when you go to cross mountains, when the weather gets bad these mountain roads switches to controlled convoying.
Basically slow speed across lead by a snowplow in radio contact with the vehicle at the back, it isn't the convoy itself that is the problem, but the limited spots.
Meaning you will be stuck WAITING in the snow and cold for the convoy to cross back to you so you can get your slot, a gas powered car you can idle away and enjoy yourself, not so much in an EV.
Same in highway traffic jams during cold weather, stuff happens.
And gas powered cars have a safety margin you can take of, but that is drastically reduced with an EV.
Insightful, thanks.
One more item to worry about is many condos and apartments may soon start banning electric cars from their underground parking due to fire risks.
They say to keep the EV battery last longer, you can only charge to 70% capacity, now in cold winter, you must keep that for at least 20-30% before next charge. It means that you can only have 40-50% of the capacity for the winter, and most of the capacity will be drained by heating rather than mileage. Current EVs are not for cold places for sure.
Actually, since EV's range in the cold are about 50% at 40-50% charge in the winter you are looking at 20-25% charge plus if you run the heater if is going to be lower.
I needed to replace my ebike battery 2 times, both in winter
Yeah my parents Kia Niro does this -- luckily, it's not electric, it's a gas hybrid. But to greatly extend the life of the battery, it typically keeps it between (more or less) 20 and 80% charge.
I think I saw it top it up (closer to 100%) once when we were going down a very long hill; and ran it below 20% when going up a steep bit of mountain road at interstate speeds (since this thing's gas engine seems to make VERY little low or mid range torque, it's wheezy as hell below about 4000RPM, and frequently squirts in some extra torque from the electric motor even when the engine is running. It sure did in this case going up the mountain.)
@@hwertz10 That's why series hybrids are the ideal option. Throw out the heavy, dangerous and unreliable Li-ion pack for supercapacitors and have the gas motor running at its peak (58+% efficiency) RPM range which is usually peak torque and thus peak energy output, and the motors become the gearbox with infinite torque multiplication up to the electrical limit of the motor torque. Cool thing: Normal supercaps lose roughly 45% of their capacity at -60'C while graphene-based supercaps only lose 30%. Sure they have higher capacitance in warmer weather, like 15-20% more from what I can find at 45'C compared to 0'C, but they last ages as their cycle life goes from just 100k full discharge-recharge cycles and it only goes up from there with more and more reliable and durable tech being developed over time. Supercap hybrids running on hemp-based biofuel treated with anti-freeze anti-gelling additives are the way of the future, not lithium BEVs. There's a good reason that we dumped EVs in the 1910s after a solid 40 years of using them and a British company having the monopoly on them over there.
That’s fluffing the numbers, but I’ll bite. A more fair boundary is don’t go lower than 20% or higher than 80%. That’s the actual figure given by Tesla. You claim 50% loss of mileage, which seems pretty fluffed given current tech like teslas heat pump, but let’s use that. 50% of your 60% range is 30%. The lowest range Tesla you can buy has a 260 mile range, so your everyday driving range for keeping the battery healthy is 78 miles. Do you drive more than this per day? I highly doubt it. If you do you can get the long range version that ads another 20 miles to your daily driving ability. That 98ish miles as a daily driver. That’s absurd for most people, and that’s also the worst case scenario. Most people don’t live anywhere nearly that cold. I think something like more than half the population usually never even sees snow. Also, the people stuck buying energy at a frozen supercharger are people who don’t have their own garage. If you don’t have a garage to charge your ev at home, you’re an idiot for buying one. It’s the main selling point of the vehicle for people who aren’t hippies: Cheap charging at home and you never have to sweat/freeze at a gas station other than road trips. Most charging stations cost almost as much as gas and you have to wait somewhere while your car charges. Idiots.
In the case of Florida man needing to drive 250 miles to get out of the area, I can see why that’d be a problem. However he failed to mention gas stations also being packed with the majority of people who wait until their car gets to nearly empty to fill up. How’s their range? Especially the trucks and suv’s. Yes, you can put some Jerry cans in the back of your ice to extend the range greatly in case of an emergency. I think it’s smart and every American should do that if they have somewhere to store it safely. But, I’m pretty sure those same gas cans could be used to power a small portable generator in case of emergencies like this. It’ll take way longer and it’s not as convenient but in this scenario you have that kind of time. Hurricanes are forecasted 3+ days ahead of time. I can’t really see a reason why you can’t sit in a Walmart parking lot and charge for 2-8 hours when you’re almost to your destination (which buys you even more time) if you absolutely need to.
Also, I get that we’re not quite there yet with batteries, but they’re only going to get better with time. Just like gas car took time to go from 20 mpg to getting 40+ mpg, it’s only up from here. Don’t quickly dismiss an entire new tech when yours had 100+ years to develop. I’m not saying you should have to buy it or that you even should buy it depending on your situation, just give it time to grow.
Here in the US, they're trying to phase out natural gas appliances and heating also. As long as I have a gas stove and a lighter I can heat my home until their overloaded grid gets back up-until they MAKE me buy electric. BRILLIANT!
just get something old fashioned that uses coal/wood for emergencies.
One of the best, logical channels to watch regarding EV’s - this channel deserves a share!
Seems like a true biased advocate defending ICE vehicles that cause lung cancer and other pulmonary ills.. I have seen people stranded in ICE cars on side of roads in middle of nowhere since they did not have a fuel canister in trunk with extra fuel specially when they attempted to go on long journeys.. In case of EV an portable extra power unit that can be bought just like a canister it can save an EV owner to remain powerless.. Anyhow over a longer period of owning we see the true efficiency of an ev not just by looking at a bad judgement of few owners in cold weather.. they let the car drain bellow 10% who let they'r smartphone or laptops battery drain bellow 5% face the same problem.. so choose to be smart because there are enough stupid people !
Do you freeze to death sitting in your EV waiting for it to charge or do you turn on the heat while charging thus extending the charging period by hours because the heater is using most of the power from the charger.
You can sit five hours in a vehicle at 20 below! You would freeze - hypothermia etc.
Alberta just had minus 40 C temperatures, and the electrical grid could not keep up as the solar and wind generating came to a halt. Could you imagine if even 10% of the vehicles were EV? Alberta would have blacked out, and everyone would have froze.
It was actually because of a natural gas plant failing. They new wind was going to be down due to the temperature.
BC, it's neighbor, has 10x the amount of EVs while producing 10twh less power. More of a failure of the power suppliers than 1 technical
And they're demanding houses be heated with electricity and forbidding natural gas pipelines into residential areas, in some areas. It's like they want us to die.
Analysis done in Finland indicate that if all cars were EVs, the extra load would be less than 10% and focus on night time.
This is like when your cell phone no longer charges correctly and the battery depletes before the end of the day x 1,000. I can’t imagine the anxiety of not knowing whether my car is going to work or not, how far it will take me on any given day, or how I’m going to fuel it.
I agree.
Its anew psychiatric diagnosis, Range Anxiety Syndrome.
You can carry a number of spare power banks for a phone, thereby extending the life in colder weather, plus its easier to keep it warm in your pockets.
"imagine the anxiety of not knowing whether my car is going to work or not" kind of like owning a French or Italian car. 🤣
I always bring a power bank which weighs twice as much as my cell phone. Maybe I could pull a "power bank" trailer that weighs twice much as my BEV 🤔😉
I live in South Florida, USA. While we don't get the freezing temperatures Chicago is getting, we do get the occasional hurricane some of which has caused mass evacuations. To evacuate South Florida you have to drive up Florida to leave the peninsula, for me that would be about a 350 mile drive to get to "safety". Even if you don't leave Florida just getting to a "safe" place in the state is about a 250 mile ride and even then usually the storms follow you up. When these evacuation happen, and there have been several in the last few decades, masses of cars jam the highways and cause gigantic traffic jams. The journey which usually takes 5 or 6 hours (I have done it many times) can take 10 to 24 hours. Back when the last evacuations happened where I live in South Florida for in 2017 for hurricane Irma, several of my co workers panicked and evacuated. I stayed, I have been through many hurricanes and do not live near the ocean so I decided to take my chances in my home with supplies, fuel, food, portable gas stoves, plenty of clean cloths and drinking water, and we did lose power for a day and it was relatively easy to adapt through if your prepared. Besides if something happens to your home you can try to deal with it and many of my friends and neighbors stayed so I could get and give help, which I could not do as easily among strangers with many other evacuees hundreds of miles from home. Anyway, at least one the coworkers who left got stuck on the road in their ICE vehicle, their cell phone died and they had a horrible time. Others had to drive all the way to Atlanta, Georgia which is about a 650 mile drive which without stopping would take at least 9 and a half hours to dive. All of them eventually got hit with the hurricane which had weakened as it moved North. And these were just a few of the hundreds of thousands if not a million or so people that evacuated, in a time where there were far fewer EVs on the road. Now my neighborhood is full of EVs, can you imagine people trying to evacuate South Florida in a similar scenario. Can you imagine tens of thousands of EVs stuck in hours and hours of traffic, the lines at the recharging stations, and the amount of additional traffic and delays caused by EVs dying in traffic, jamming up the highways and roadways used for the evacuations. Can you imagine the panic these people would be in along with all the ICE drivers also stuck on the roads because of the extra delays due to the failures of EVs, as a hurricane caught them exposed on the roads for hours and hours. That would be a massive disaster. Yet a lot of people here in South Florida bought EVs even though they are impractical and even dangerous to use to evacuate from the frequent hurricanes we get here in Florida.
So much ignorance in your text. BEVs charged at home are always full. Obviously, you've never driven a BEV for a week or spoke to a long time user.
Some folks just don’t understand that.
@@richyzig You are implying the car is fully charged when it may not be.
@@richyzig Please read my post again more carefully and less emotionally this time, and try to not embarrass yourself by your allowing your lack of comprehension of the English language or of complex concepts of more than one word to get in your way this time. Furthermore, you need to educate yourself on the range of EVs, not of just new ones but older ones whos battery life is reduced, and also comprehend the fact that not everyone keeps their EV charged or has a home to charge one at. I'm just embarrassed for you.
What about the fact that water could cause these cars to ignite. Could you imagine if the highway was starting to flood and all those EV's stuck in traffic with all that water on the road.
Our cell phones alarmed about the power warning, we turned of everything not needed and it turns out my whole citizen province did too, as by the charts the consumption dropped an incredible amount almost 1/3 I think (?). Proud of Albertans.