NEW Giant TCR: Marginal Gains, Minimal Change
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Giant’s 10th-generation TCR road race bike has launched with claims of fulfilling that famous holy trinity - lighter, faster and stiffer.
The main change comes at the front end with integrated cabling, but the updates are more than aesthetic.
Liam Cahill takes you through the changes you need to know about and Warren Rossiter shares his thoughts, having delivered an in-depth review of the new bike.
#cycling #bike #giant
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:40 2024 Giant TCR Weight
02:40 Is the 2024 Giant TCR Stiffer?
03:57 Is The 2024 Giant TCR Faster?
06:50 2024 Giant TCR Pricing
07:43 Is This Update Enough?
09:46 Ride Impressions
11:10 Outro
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Has Giant done enough with this update of the TCR? Let us know your thoughts on the new bike.
Yes … because if they changed it much more it would become a Propel or a Defy. Like many manufacturers these different ‘models’ are very similar for all but the most elite riders … having them is really a branding/marketing technique to stimulate more sales.
What more can they really do?
Are the wheels 🛞 hooked?
@@royanderson3478 Giant's disc brake carbon wheels are hookless.
I'm still riding my 2015 TCR Rim brake with mechanical ultegra & carbon 50 rims, I don't need to save 4 watts or put a 33mm tyre on, truth is, I don't want disc brakes or integrated cables either, the new bike does look nice but the prices are absurd, £2,699 for an entry level 105 TCR?! crazy! best of luck for those that can afford it, just don't fall for the marketing blurb.
I am waiting when “disk brake” development will be over and marketing department will turn its attention back to rim brakes to help them selling more bikes.
Purchased the nine gen rim brake TCR advanced 3 in Jan. Don’t regret at all. The upgrade is less than expected
Give Jesse Coyle a new TCR, that's a review I want to see!
give a fuck what he thinks, he doesn't even like riding a bike, his words durian rider interview
It’s impressively light because it’s £6500, manufacturers have completely lost touch with reality. Cycle to work schemes etc have without intention given manufacturers the licence to abuse pricing. An entry level TCR at £2500 is a reflection of the absurd pricing of bikes.
You realise the Cycle Schemes are not the biggest bike market in th
@@vg3222 Yeah I get that, what I mean though is they have given manufacturers the licence to raise entry level bikes to higher price point (certainly in the UK).
Lighter, more aero, stiffer....woooooooooaahhh
I have a (now) last-gen TCR. I love the thing. My vote is that they've haven't done enough to make me even think about upgrading, and I feel like the price went up at a time everyone's talking about bike prices falling. Glad I got the last-gen for that cheaper price.
What's your TCR Advanced's brake type and tier level (base, Pro or SL)?
@@yonglingng5640 105 hydraulics. It would be the base model. Maybe I like it so much because I don't know any better? :P
@@bennyayaya It's actually pretty OK for many riders, even I'm content with how it rides, minus the front rotor rub every time I pedal out of the saddle hard, but switching to a stiffer rotor does the trick for some reason. I still haven't fully figured out why a bone stock TCR Advanced Disc can induce front rotor rub when pedaled hard despite a well-centered caliper, but not when a stiffer rotor is used. I don't think a hub shell can flex, but I do know forks definitely do.
Back to rim brakes then
If it came with Rim Brakes, I would have become marginally stiffer😀
Giant should not touch the TCR from now.
Leave it as it is.
Thanks
Best bike in the world just got better. Well done Giant
I won't ever get a different carbon bike than TCR - TCR love for life.
Had a brand new 2021 TCR Advance Pro Disc 1. It had a lovely ride, stiff yet comfortable and compliant. However, on 2 separate occasions on a fast descent it developed a severe speed wobble. My funeral plans were flashing in my mind until I gained control and was able to stop. I've owned several high end carbon road bikes and NEVER before had an issue like this. So, even though I took a loss I had to get rid of it. Was very disappointed because I liked everything else about the bike. Because of my experience I would be extremely hesitant to purchase another TCR...such a bummer because there's so much bang for the buck otherwise. I even came across some TH-cam tests where 2 riders on one video both experienced wobble on the exact same model.
I experienced exactly the same thing. My 2022 TCR Frame Size Large starts wobbling at 60 km/h. Wondered if that was the reason the Pro Team switched to Propel.
Won`t buy a further TCR unless they recall this Death Wobble Frame.
I have a 2021 Rim Brake SL framest, it's inconspicuous, lighter and more "aero" that most stuff out on the roads I ride. I don't see my self changing that bicycle anytime soon. But I do see my self getting the Propel SL, just to have the pair.
I have a TCR adv 0 pro from 2021 and I must say it is a wonderful bike! But I think Giant is missing the point because this is the same bike, only they have concealed the cables and put a more expensive wheelset underneath. If it's good why would you change it? By the way, I would have preferred it without disc brakes.
So nice to see Giant making evolutionary changes on the TCR given it's such a capable frame to begin with.
Call the Nero boys up
Giant keeps what‘s working and what‘s looking as a bike. Really love an update, but will stay with my current TCR on mech Ultegra😊
so they got production and material costs down but...
Absolutely love it, best bike out there, ticks all the boxes. Well done Giant.
Nice but due to the crazy pricing, I won't be updating from my 2021 tcr
Edit: The image at 07:00 shows the Giant TCR Advanced Pro 2, rather than the TCR Advanced 2. Sorry about that!
Loved the TCR but would liked to have seen Giant make the TCR as light as possible to differentiate from the Propel. If that meant a rim brake version + aero feature + integration that is below the UCI limit would have been game changer for me. Currently I don't have reason yet to upgrade my lightweight climber Trek Madone, 1x, rim brake, 5.7kg bike.
Giant TCR is always my top dream bike!!!
THE WHEELS ARE HOOKLESS HELLO?! amazing how fast schill companies forget, not even a month since our last big profile case.
Giant TCR will always be my dream bike.
Can you retrofit new fork to 2021-2024 models?
Have you weighed the model you have?
I like the traditional frame looks.
I think it looks awesome, familiar shape but just clean and minimalistic, nice!
Hi just wondering if this is the new 2024 TCR advanced 0 PC??
My dream machine I wish to get one but is so expensive .....
Reselling my 2022 tcr and adding 3k for larger rims and integrated cables doesn't seem worth it right now.. if it was cheaper i would get every new version
Happy with my choice of the Supersix Evo over the TCR!
1mm wider tire clearance? How difference is that compare to previous???
Exactly 1mm ;)
This is about the nicest way i've ever heard to say: "This is clearly the same bike but with integrated cables and this is the best we could say about it because the Propel exists, which is probably what you should buy, or a Defy". And i'm a 2021 TCR Owner, so i'm not exactly a TCR hater.
But i mean really guys, 32 to 33 tire clearance? A tire size that nobody makes?
Literally everyone makes a high performance 32mm tire
@@petersouthernboy6327 and the existing tcr already had 32 tire clearance. Tell me why 33 is a win?
@@BoyMeetsMountain 33mm is the UCI tire width limit. TCR is still a performance race road bike. If you need a wider tire clearance. You should get a Gravel bike.
@@iMadrid11 very well stated 👍
Tyres don’t measure the same on different rims so if your 32mm tyres were coming up too wide for your 2023 TCR they may fit your 2024 TCR.
Call me crazy, but I want to know if they kept it mechanical shifting optional like the current Propel Advanced Pro. Most new frames are electronic only, I was happy to hear that Giant is helping out us mechanical diehards for one more generation of frame with the Propel.
There is a base model with mechanical 12-spd 105
Internal cable routing is an evil for mech shifting. Cables will be bend to tough angles and compromise shifting, so better is to go mech with previous version of tcr or join the dark e-side
@@stanislavkindiakov6334Not all framesets with integrated internal routing affect mechanical groupset shifting performance, one model I know of is the Tarmac SL7. Because the shift housing runs from the headset cover directly to the cockpit without going inside the spacers and under the stem, it has no excessively sharp turns to bend around.
I know because I've built one Tarmac SL7 in this manner, one of the first Tarmac SL7s of its kind in the country I live in.
@mrrodriguezHLP Most people who would call you crazy are those who never knew the pain of working on integrated internal routing or any internal routing work at all.
Your curiosity is anything but crazy. It is indeed something to think about. Most framesets with integrated internal routing that can use mechanical can only run the following four Shimano front derailleur models as they require the use of full-length shift housings and only these four are up to the task as they feature integrated shift housing stops:
105 FD-R7000 and FD-R7100
Ultegra FD-R8000
Dura-Ace FD-R9100
@@yonglingng5640For the record, I ride a 2016 Giant Propel Advanced, on Campagnolo mechanical Record 12. It's semi-internal, so I know some of the pain of routing. But the system they had was smart, as they built in stops on the top tube where you enter behind the steerer, not into the steerer.
Knowing there might not be stops, is going to hurt for the front derailleur if I want to keep things Campy. It needs an in-line barrel adjuster or it will miss shift. Thanks for the thoughts BTW. Cheers.
thats the best looking tcr frameset they have ever made
If it came as a direct mount rim brake, my wallet would be open before you finished the sentence. Guess I am looking at the Propel or Defy instead.....or a Tarmac SL8 (or SL9...)
Looks similar with old gen. I prefer to propel
Can y'all get one to Jesse Coyle?
cares what he thinks he doesn't even like riding a bike
Still got hookless rims? I’ll give it a miss.
If have chance to visit Taiwan , you can buy one here , it’s much cheaper . Same model ( Pro 0 Di2 ) in Taiwan cost 1400 USD . (2025 TCR Advanced SL 0 DA $ 2730 USD 1 USD :32.5NTW ) . There’s always have discount when you purchase in local
Taiwanese biking shop )
Roads and hill climbs are very nice in Taiwan! Can't wait to go back ride there!
The integrated cabling would be the only reason that I would possiblely upgrade to gen 10 TCR. I don't think I can tell the difference from gen-9 and gen-10 TCR in terms of the performnace or the look. As for the integrated seatpost, that doesn't really matter since I couldn't afford the TCR SL at the moment anyway.
Integrated cables would be the reason I wouldn’t buy the Gen 10.
if i had the previous TCR, no not enough. But I'm riding a 10 year old TCR SL0.....so maybe.
Hookless is very progressive, ask Thomas de Gendt
Nothing wrong with hookless! You just need good mechanics. And don't think, throw in 90 psi because then you'll be asking for it yourself
no rim brake option
integrated cables don't match with rim brakes... to hard to get it right
and basically no market for it now
Looks the same as previous models.
Why? Why would you hide the cables and add so much more complication to headset maintenance. With technology, It's supposed to get easier...
Yup awesome bike
Disappointed by the cable integration as the reviewer
Waiting for new emonda !
Rumour is Trek are killing it off.
Now do the same to the tcx please
Nice ad. Sounds like a lot of specialized speak. Blah blah blah. The aero claims are hilarious. It’s a nice looking bike and it should ride nice. That’s the main thing.
THE SLR wheels have CARBON spokes? not too bad
4 watts at 40kph.....where's my credit card lol
Stopped at HOOKLESS!
The Giant US website has the new TCR Advanced Pro Frameset for $2100. If that’s too expensive for someone - then do better for yourself.
Hookless SLR rim, no thanks!
I have hookless SLR2 rims. Why is that bad?
38.5g lighter- that`s an argument.
No mention of hookless rims???
Trek Emonda is getting the chop soon anyway.
I ride mostly in the hills and have been thinking about replacing my 9 year old Defy with a climbing machine. Weight, handling (both uphill and downhill), and looks matter a lot to me, and aero not at all. These small upgrades make the new TCR a more tempting candidate than the older model.
Wow
It’s the integrated cables for me.
Guess you guys are not going to mention hookless rims huh
Stinks doesnt it....
06:16 👍
@@bikeradar my bad. Missed it✌️
Whay are hookless rims a bad thing? Someone please tell me.
@@dv8322 the rims have no hooks to hold the tire. So there are instances that the tire will come off. Instances if the tire have psi more than 70 psi iguess. And you need tires that are compatible with hookless.
an integrated seatpost in a climbing bike. So I can't put it in a flight case to go on holidays and climb some mountains. That's hilarious.
They'll sell every one without you.
yes.. it is strange and dumm. They should bring out the SL version with a normal seatpost. That would be a great bike.
@@TheBarts27 they do the same thing with the Propel SL. If you want the adjustable seat post, you get the Advanced Pro model.
Take off the chainset
How much dent on my wallet
Aero doesn’t save the most amount of energy, it saves the most energy. You don’t cut down on the amount of pieces, you cut down the number of pieces. Isn’t English your first language?
it's a cyclocross bike now, with the 33mm tire clearance and all /s
drink everytime he says "Giant says"
Indeed the reporting verbs were strong with this one...
Well I ain't going to just repeat their claims in a way that makes them seem like fact
Integrated headset yuck 🤮 no thanks
Press fit is outdated and not the way the industry is going, would’ve liked to see a threaded bb
Surely this is the 2025 TCR??? 🤔
Marketing vomit. 🤮 what a schill.
This is still no Aethos Killer. PASSSSS!
I don’t think it’s trying to. The Aethos is a UCI illegal bike meant for pure lightness. The TCR is still a race bike that is meant to be raced and follows the UCI regulations, so it can’t be as light as the Aethos.
@@gtThree ok, but the Propel tips the scale at 6.9kg and is more aero. In what situation would a racer pick an UCI-legal weight TCR?
@@ariffauthe Propel is boring the TCR isn’t. That’s why
@@ariffau Fair point, but the bikeexchange-jayco/jayco-alula team which races in major UCI events still uses the TCR. Why they do, when they also have a bike that is just as light and more aero is a question that you’ll have to ask them yourself, but Giant wants the TCR to remain UCI legal.
@@gtThreethe Aethos has a UCI number, the frame IS UCI LEGAL. The only limit is the minimum 6.8kg weight limit (mechanics just add weight, nothing new there).
Literally the Same Bike.