These days, mostly money. You may think I’m being a smart ass but I’m being serious. I had two Pivot Switchblades, one 7500 and one 3500. I could ride the cheaper one in all the same trails and was just as fast fast. Lesson learned, for me at least,
And yet, I rarely see Polygon on the trails and it feels like every other bike is a Pivot. I am never in the market for anything over 3500, but people sure seem to be buying the expensive ones.
It's design makes a bike, time spent getting the shape right is time well spent. It costs just as much to weld a bad design as it does a good design. Drive train technology has tickled down and we are all getting the benefits.
stop trying to make 1600$ count as the entry point. thats not a budget hardtail. the bobcat trail 3 is budget. the bolinas ridge is cheap. 1600 is insane to get into anything
One of the best comparisons I have seen. My synopsis of the video, either bike is capable of riding the same trails, the more expensive one just does it a little better, but you wouldn't be disappointed with the 6k cheaper bike.
Considering the Polygon FAQ: "Can I use it for a technical drop? Yes you can for a recommended height up to 1 meter" line I'd kind of worry about the longevity of the bike. A 1 meter drop is certainly more than I'd ride, but not so much more that I'd be happy with that as a suggested ceiling. I don't recall seeing that kind of limitation suggested in the FAQ of other bikes.
That's not correct. They label the T6 "Class 5". Class 5 is 2 meters. Polygon's classifications are at the link below. www.polygonbikes.com/classification-for-bicycles-usage-2/
I had a T7, if it didn't have the frame/shock and fork issues I would still have it. I had planes to swap some mid tier parts from another bike and compare it do a Ripmo AF.
😎👌great video comparison, got meslf a ragley big al, to be honest its all the bike i need👍compliant frame too, if money was no object😂then obvoiusly i would spend alot more😉
I have the Big Al and T7 and I feel they handle very similar on smoother terrain with the T7 having the advantage in the rough obviously. Both great bikes.
In my mind it is 2000+ direct to consumer bikes for seasoned weeked riders 4000+ regional racers and middle income riders 6000+ national / pro riders, youtubers! 8000+ elite riders 10000+ dentists!
Great comparison. But I mainly wanted to say I love the fact that I’m not the only one to mumble and comment while I’m riding. You did a good job of mixing the audio so it wasn’t overbearing, but I appreciated being able to pick up on it.
Thanks! I self-talk a lot, lol. Sometimes its not suitable for families. 😃I kinda envy those dead silent riders. I was hoping the audio mix would go well on this one. It's a little different than my other videos. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@AdrenalineIsLife I’ve definitely been trying to reduce the self-talk, grunting, groaning, and exhaling that I tend to do on video. Part of it is being old, and part of it is just an old habit of making silly/dramatic noises for the smallest reason. I can relate to the non-family-friendly commentary, too 😆.
Dude I would rather have the t6 maybe even the t7 so long as I can get the front to be at least 150 mm maybe 170 and the rear that would be have to be minimum 150 or at least match with 170 so for me front and rear has to match why I have a bad back and well both wrists have been shattered 4x's And the carbon fiber one they can keep it
You can definitely run a 150 on the T6. N9 Is a solid value and compareable to the Smuggler for way less. 170mm I agree Colossus is the way to go. The N7 is under $2k
@@AdrenalineIsLife As I was saying I don't have any wrists and my back isn't very good either and I do a lot of bike packing so I need that extra plushness Fall 1. Three stories from a church land on one toe Phone number to I fell into a tree overlooking Rocky River 50 ft above Rocky River with my feet still in my rat strap's And phone number 3 not sure how large of a fall that was it was a good one since I landed I blocked out Went home after that my mother made a sandwich for herself she didn't like it I ate it I ate it with food poisoning then after that I crunched my stomach up because of the food poisoning and the fall from hurting my back I ruptured my adrenal gland and found out that I have a tumor on my adrenal gland that was also ruptured and because of the Fall I ended up passing a kidney stone quite a few of them all within 6 hours or less
With brands like polygon and YT if you think they are not top tier stuff your just coping because you spent 6,000 on a bike and got the same spec as a 2,000 dollar bike. The t8 or t9 even the collosus you get the highest spec you can buy for 3,000 or less.
Why do I always see this same comment? Saying a 2k bike is as good as a 6k bike is delusional at best. They aren’t top tier. You’re kidding yourself if you think they are. Spec alone does not make a good bike. But your entire comment is ignorant so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Speaking of coping, the false bravado displayed is an undeniable sign of it.
@@spiffpilot2589interesting reply, very hostile. OP was talking about spec. But I'd add that frame and geometry alone wouldn't be enough for me personnaly to add an extra 4K on a bike. I think it's a view a lot of people share, but we're all different, if it matters to you spend the money and enjoy the ride. 👌
@spiffpilot2589 well explain how a n9 has a higher spec suspension, brakes and groupset than most bikes at 6,000. Carbon is no better than aluminum. The only difference is 1 pound.
@@spiffpilot2589almost as ignorant as a competitive cheerleading fan trying to drop bike facts without saying a single thing. You made no comment, just bashed the guy supporting polygon. Likely don't even ride. Let people afford and advance on platforms they're capable of operating/affording. You give the bike community a bad name (again, if you are even part of it) 🐙
Great video. I live in europe and was looking for a Bike good enough to ride in Bike park. For me The best Hardtail is Trek Procaliber 6 Red 😎 because it has everything good look, geometry, and Specs. All of it for just 1000 quid it's a Bargain 🥳. Site 99spokes have option to compare it to other bikes like Polygon, Marin, Cannondale, Dartmoor. None of these bikes come near in terms of Specs for this amount of money.
So basically, for 99.99% people the 'cheap' bike is plenty good. The other 6.000$ you pay for minuscule nuances that won't make any difference unless you're a highest-level competitive rider.
ALL carbon frames are made in china,BigBig Big price mark up,keep fradgile carbon frame.ill take a 1700 polygon bike any day sonny.I used to ride a bridgestone MB1 back in the late 1980s,probably before you were born.Nowa days its look how much i spent on a the latest wisbang bike,ha ha when i hear 7000 and up i hear the toilet flushing,but if your loaded with money and rich spend away.
Sooo, this might just be me but… the combined sound of your heavy breathing and intense sexually sounding music kinda make this video feel like it was dubbed over with a recording of “Date Night”.😂😂😂😂😂
Irregardless anything over $5K is ridiculous, things like electric shifting is a super luxury and unless your racing XC how light you are is not important. Plus you can upgrade most of them at your leisure.
Definitely diminishing returns at the higher price points. Luckily, there are brands like YT, Polygon, and even Giant that will give you more bike for your money.
Input any dollar figure (higher or lower), and there will be someone out there making that same statement. It's all relative. I prefer to spend less but to each his own.
Both bikes are shit ,why are u afraid too pick two pick 2 better bikes too do ur comparison,realty chk if ur wallet is low buy a crappy bike, if ur wallet is heavy by all means. Buy high mod ,
It's funny that there are professional riders that love the T6 and the polygon bikes.
These days, mostly money. You may think I’m being a smart ass but I’m being serious. I had two Pivot Switchblades, one 7500 and one 3500. I could ride the cheaper one in all the same trails and was just as fast fast. Lesson learned, for me at least,
I agree. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns on bikes. Today, $3500 will buy an amazing bike.
Exactly right you don't need a full sus carbon 7000 dollar bike my 1200 dollar hardtail can be just as fast....
Lol, yeah right. @johnsmith-oh2xo
For me, the cheaper bikes are great beginner/intermediate riders while the more expensive are usually more refined, nothing wrong with either imo.
Perfect video to start the work week. You definitely brought some extra enjoyment to our Monday! Thanks, Frank! 👊
Glad you enjoyed it! 😁
POLYGON is what the market wants. Affordable and reasonable price point. People can add up some bucks to make it better.
And yet, I rarely see Polygon on the trails and it feels like every other bike is a Pivot. I am never in the market for anything over 3500, but people sure seem to be buying the expensive ones.
It's design makes a bike, time spent getting the shape right is time well spent. It costs just as much to weld a bad design as it does a good design. Drive train technology has tickled down and we are all getting the benefits.
Agreed!
Underrated channel
Very much so. One of the best out there!
stop trying to make 1600$ count as the entry point. thats not a budget hardtail. the bobcat trail 3 is budget. the bolinas ridge is cheap. 1600 is insane to get into anything
That is entry level for a real full suspension mountain bike these days. Like it or not.
One of the best comparisons I have seen. My synopsis of the video, either bike is capable of riding the same trails, the more expensive one just does it a little better, but you wouldn't be disappointed with the 6k cheaper bike.
Considering the Polygon FAQ: "Can I use it for a technical drop?
Yes you can for a recommended height up to 1 meter" line I'd kind of worry about the longevity of the bike. A 1 meter drop is certainly more than I'd ride, but not so much more that I'd be happy with that as a suggested ceiling. I don't recall seeing that kind of limitation suggested in the FAQ of other bikes.
That's not correct. They label the T6 "Class 5". Class 5 is 2 meters. Polygon's classifications are at the link below.
www.polygonbikes.com/classification-for-bicycles-usage-2/
I had a T7, if it didn't have the frame/shock and fork issues I would still have it. I had planes to swap some mid tier parts from another bike and compare it do a Ripmo AF.
I like the way the Siskiu T rides. I'm looking forward to doing some upgrades. The Ripmo AF is a nice bike. I rode one a while back.
Its simple really nothing worse than riding something like carbon and constantly worrying about its transport and trail damage.
It definitely hurts the soul a little more when you damage carbon.
😎👌great video comparison, got meslf a ragley big al, to be honest its all the bike i need👍compliant frame too, if money was no object😂then obvoiusly i would spend alot more😉
Thanks! The Big Al is one of my all-time favorites. Enjoy!
I have the Big Al and T7 and I feel they handle very similar on smoother terrain with the T7 having the advantage in the rough obviously. Both great bikes.
I have a big al as well. Fantastic rig. I'm currently acquiring parts for my Eminent Onset.
In my mind it is
2000+ direct to consumer bikes for seasoned weeked riders
4000+ regional racers and middle income riders
6000+ national / pro riders, youtubers!
8000+ elite riders
10000+ dentists!
Yeah, I agree with 73 megalith. All depends on what kink of rider you want to be. And how deep are your pockets
As soon as your bike exceeds the price of a used car it's dentist territory.
Great comparison. But I mainly wanted to say I love the fact that I’m not the only one to mumble and comment while I’m riding. You did a good job of mixing the audio so it wasn’t overbearing, but I appreciated being able to pick up on it.
Thanks! I self-talk a lot, lol. Sometimes its not suitable for families. 😃I kinda envy those dead silent riders.
I was hoping the audio mix would go well on this one. It's a little different than my other videos. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@AdrenalineIsLife I’ve definitely been trying to reduce the self-talk, grunting, groaning, and exhaling that I tend to do on video. Part of it is being old, and part of it is just an old habit of making silly/dramatic noises for the smallest reason. I can relate to the non-family-friendly commentary, too 😆.
Polygon t6 is 1,299. Almost 40 lbs tho
@@mike.thomas haha. It must be an age thing. I don't remember talking to myself when I was younger. 😄
@@AdrenalineIsLife😂
Should've compared the T8 or T9
Exactly
For me going cheap is always a regret.
You can get some really bad bikes if you don't shop carefully. Luckily, we are seeing more trickle down of tech from higher end bikes these days.
Not necessarily
Great comparison! Beautiful scenery!
Dude I would rather have the t6 maybe even the t7 so long as I can get the front to be at least 150 mm maybe 170 and the rear that would be have to be minimum 150 or at least match with 170 so for me front and rear has to match why I have a bad back and well both wrists have been shattered 4x's
And the carbon fiber one they can keep it
You need the t9 or the collosus. The collosus is 170/170 with fox performance elite for 3,000 or less.
You can definitely run a 150 on the T6. N9 Is a solid value and compareable to the Smuggler for way less. 170mm I agree Colossus is the way to go. The N7 is under $2k
@@AdrenalineIsLife
As I was saying I don't have any wrists and my back isn't very good either and I do a lot of bike packing so I need that extra plushness
Fall 1. Three stories from a church land on one toe
Phone number to I fell into a tree overlooking Rocky River 50 ft above Rocky River with my feet still in my rat strap's
And phone number 3 not sure how large of a fall that was it was a good one since I landed I blocked out
Went home after that my mother made a sandwich for herself she didn't like it I ate it I ate it with food poisoning then after that I crunched my stomach up because of the food poisoning and the fall from hurting my back I ruptured my adrenal gland and found out that I have a tumor on my adrenal gland that was also ruptured and because of the Fall I ended up passing a kidney stone quite a few of them all within 6 hours or less
The expensive mountain bikes look nice but you forgot to include a cheap one!
With brands like polygon and YT if you think they are not top tier stuff your just coping because you spent 6,000 on a bike and got the same spec as a 2,000 dollar bike. The t8 or t9 even the collosus you get the highest spec you can buy for 3,000 or less.
Polygon, YT, and Canyon have done an amazing service to mountain bikers.
Why do I always see this same comment? Saying a 2k bike is as good as a 6k bike is delusional at best. They aren’t top tier. You’re kidding yourself if you think they are. Spec alone does not make a good bike. But your entire comment is ignorant so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Speaking of coping, the false bravado displayed is an undeniable sign of it.
@@spiffpilot2589interesting reply, very hostile. OP was talking about spec. But I'd add that frame and geometry alone wouldn't be enough for me personnaly to add an extra 4K on a bike. I think it's a view a lot of people share, but we're all different, if it matters to you spend the money and enjoy the ride. 👌
@spiffpilot2589 well explain how a n9 has a higher spec suspension, brakes and groupset than most bikes at 6,000. Carbon is no better than aluminum. The only difference is 1 pound.
@@spiffpilot2589almost as ignorant as a competitive cheerleading fan trying to drop bike facts without saying a single thing. You made no comment, just bashed the guy supporting polygon. Likely don't even ride. Let people afford and advance on platforms they're capable of operating/affording.
You give the bike community a bad name (again, if you are even part of it)
🐙
You should have compared the t8 to the smuggler. The smuggler is 6,000 and the t8 is 1800.
1800 when on sale,
@@arc9812 it's been on sale for a year now
Great video. I live in europe and was looking for a Bike good enough to ride in Bike park. For me The best Hardtail is Trek Procaliber 6 Red 😎 because it has everything good look, geometry, and Specs. All of it for just 1000 quid it's a Bargain 🥳. Site 99spokes have option to compare it to other bikes like Polygon, Marin, Cannondale, Dartmoor. None of these bikes come near in terms of Specs for this amount of money.
The money saved by purchasing the more affordable bike, could be used towards travel to different MTB paradises. Or throw on a carbon wheel set.
But if you are buying the expensive bike, you probably get the better bike and travel as well.
$7299?? Sounds like something a poor person would ride.
some how i don't think paying the same for a bike as used car or motorcycle is ever going to be worth it for me personally.
The finance guy in me will always respect that viewpoint. That's just good money management.
Nice bike
$1699 is cheap? lol! 😂
Cheap bs expensive??????
This is expensive vs really expensive 💸💸
Cheap is ain’t got no credit, Walmart budget 😔
You won't find a full suspension bike at Walmart though that you can jump/downhill
@@travisgibson5545 Supposedly they do carry a respectable hardtail though.
@@Warmagonno....
The t8 had to wide of bars, trim the bars to your liking
Bro Called 1.700$ cheap
I recognize that logover in the opening scene (0:10). I won't disclose the location other than to say HC? That is the location of my 1st face plant!
I crashed when I tried to bypass it once. Lol
So basically, for 99.99% people the 'cheap' bike is plenty good. The other 6.000$ you pay for minuscule nuances that won't make any difference unless you're a highest-level competitive rider.
yup, law of diminishing returns!
Ive always found more expensive bikes always have better geometry and have always been more confidende inspiring
ALL carbon frames are made in china,BigBig Big price mark up,keep fradgile carbon frame.ill take a 1700 polygon bike any day sonny.I used to ride a bridgestone MB1 back in the late 1980s,probably before you were born.Nowa days its look how much i spent on a the latest wisbang bike,ha ha when i hear 7000 and up i hear the toilet flushing,but if your loaded with money and rich spend away.
Fragile frame? Lol way to tell everyone you have no idea about anything.
Sooo, this might just be me but… the combined sound of your heavy breathing and intense sexually sounding music kinda make this video feel like it was dubbed over with a recording of “Date Night”.😂😂😂😂😂
😄😄😄
Irregardless anything over $5K is ridiculous, things like electric shifting is a super luxury and unless your racing XC how light you are is not important. Plus you can upgrade most of them at your leisure.
Definitely diminishing returns at the higher price points. Luckily, there are brands like YT, Polygon, and even Giant that will give you more bike for your money.
When you get above 3000 dollars I can hear the toilet flushing ,hopefully these big spenders are super rich yuppies with pockets full of money.
Input any dollar figure (higher or lower), and there will be someone out there making that same statement. It's all relative. I prefer to spend less but to each his own.
Both bikes are shit ,why are u afraid too pick two pick 2 better bikes too do ur comparison,realty chk if ur wallet is low buy a crappy bike, if ur wallet is heavy by all means. Buy high mod ,