Starks seemed to be the caretakers or inheritors of secret Tygaryen bloodlines. I wouldn't be shocked if Lyanna ended up being part of some secret Tygaryen bloodline that caused Rhaegar to become obsessed with the idea of her .
@@indiadecoseytillman the theory is about aemond and alys' son founding house whent and continuing their line down to catelyn tully-stark and her children. in 131 AC alys ruled harrenhal as a ''witch queen'' with her son until 151 AC then harrenhal passed to house lothston suddenly and then years later suddenly a new house started the rule again and that house is house whent. they continued to live and marry just like every house do and catelyn stark's mother is a whent so theres a theory about catelyn and her chidren being aemond and alys' descendants.
If Arya is an Aemond Targaryen descendent, she’s the third head of the dragon with Jon (Aegon) and Daenerys. Also, this mirrors Aegon the conqueror and his sister wives with one sister loving to fight and the other preferring to fly on a dragon.
I like the idea Aemond’s son had a child with a whent, since we know Alys did have a child, and that the castle was under her rule until 151AC, quite enough time for her son to be old enough to have children, and the whent child later became Minisa Whent’s ancestor, who was Catelyn’s mother, and thus all Ned Stark’s children are part targaryen, and thus not only did the green bloodline not die out, but ironically they became the ruling lord paramounts of the north and Edmure himself is heir to riverlands, and even more ironic, becoming the house that toppled the last of the black targaryen branch from rule, achieving a final green victory. This would be so incredible, because no one would be truly aware, it would be a secret that would only be brought up in fire and blood 2 if George ever writes it, and thus make the stark kids and Catelyn’s actions and personalities and dreams in hindsight very interesting, for instance Catelyn’s temper and dislike of bastards a inherited trait from Aemond, Arya admiring visenya so much, Sansa being so lady like just like Alicent, Bran being a dreamer like Daenys and Heleana, Robb being very gifted in battle but letting emotions overcloud wisdom, Rickon’s temper being the dragonsblood awakening. Plus make it so funny, Robert was literally gonna have someone of Targaryen blood marry his son and the heir after his son a part targaryen, and not just that of the bloodline that was his grandmothers families enemy.
The theory about House Whent being descended from Aemond Targaryen brings the prophecy full circle. "From my blood come the prince OR princess who was promised." (Thanks, Missandei.) Rob becoming King of the North would make his sisters princesses. As would Jon becoming King of the North. Whether or not it holds after Rob's death and Jon bending the knee as they're descended from a royal bastard I don't know. Sansa becoming Queen of the North and Bran becoming King of the Six Kingdoms would for sure make Arya a princess twice over, even if she doesn't want it. My long winded point is, Arya, a descendant of both House Stark and Targaryen theory, ended the Night King as technically Princess Arya. If you want to stick with "The Prince who was promised." Arya has been mistaken for a boy based on how she acts and dresses. She travelled disguised as a boy for a time. That could be the image of her seen in a dragon dream that resulted in the prophecy inscribed on the dagger. I also suspect that Ice, the Valyrian steel greatsword also hides the same prophecy. As do all the Valyrian steel house heirlooms.
I notice the irony that Robb being a descendant of the Green faction and Jon a descendant of the Blacks were the closest siblings, considering that both factions hated each other.
The Aemond bloodline in House Whent would actually justify what they did in Season 8 and have Arya kill the night king. It would be so ironic becaulse the greens don't know about the prophecy cos Viserys only told Rhaenyra and she's told Daemon and frankly the valyrian didn't say prince or princess, the Targaryen just thought it should be someone from their legal male primogeniture i.e Jon. And frankly Arya whose idols is Visenya is a great assassin and swordswoman and i'm thinking she's one of the ppl who deserve to have ridden a dragon. Catelyn herself bears a striking physical resemblance to Aemond in only her facial traits.
If it's correct that the stark children carry Targaryen blood through Aemond and House Whent, wouldn't that make all the Stark children contenders for the title of The Prince That Was Promised. Given that she has (in theory) both the blood of old Valyria and the first men, Arya may be the second strongest match, also given the fact she killed the night king. idk, it wouldn't surprise me if she was
It hurts my brain when people say stuff like this and it’s because at one point these hbo programs did not exist and it was basically considered canon that at the end of book 1 we see the prophecy happen right infront of us BEFORE ANYONE EVER MENTIONED IT. We see her born again in salt and smoke, bring magic back to the world, all under a red comet. Blah blah blah. Then in book 2 and onward people bring up this prophecy. Chronological events and details laid out in the book suggests that it’s not some uber complicated secret concept. It’s right in front of you. It wasn’t until these shitty adaptations that it was called into great question and the general consensus was it was very obvious who the book was referring to. It’s frustrating to watch the discourse become less and less attached to what the source material actually says. It’s the result of dingbat not finishing the god damn story though 🤷♀️
Well. . . . .theres also a theory that said that Daeron before engaging in war, he got a child just in case everything goes south. Thats why Daenerys is quite resemblance to Lynesse Hightower. Or that Jace got married with Sarah and get her pregnant. Or one of the famous Bastard child of Aegon II, could have been exchange with. Aegon III or Viserys. . . . . . . so there are some room for crazy wild thing.
The fact remains we will never know. Who any of Aemond or Aegon the second's illegitimate lines are. Its all very hazy. Unless Martin starts talking about where people ended up.
I mean if the Starks are descendants of Aemond, that does mean a Targaryen still sits the iron throne at the end of got xD maybe it wasn't all for nothing then. But we shall see how the books end.
Interesting video The theory, creative as it might be, has no support beyond the supporters themselves wanting it to be true. House Whent is likely to House Lothston what House Cassel is to House Stark: sworn allies and perhaps even related, hence the sigils. As of the Starks potentially having Targaryen blood... Aemond wouldn't be needed for that, any descendant of Baela, Rhaena, Elaena, etc. could have found their way to the family tree through thhe Blackwoods
@@vanessaamesty6739 I mean, it is possible, but still, not very likely. House Lothston predates Alys for a century or so, and by then they were relevant enough to marry proper nobility, Alys' line would be... Risky at best
Nope. The targs wont even know this story by the time of the next king. Mostly because is nonsense and not canon to the books. It’s not Aegons prophecy in the books it’s just an eastern story in general that a lot of people know. From red priests to the house of the undying. The show thinks it’s cooler than it actually is
Well, GRRM has a serious problem with his 'magic bloodlines': Daenerys is more Bracken&Blackwood than Targaryen-Dragon-Riders, so is Jon. - UNLESS Aegon and Aemond AND Daemon fathered LOADS of children to boost the Riverland-&Vale Houses. Daenerys and Jon's Dragonblood runs extremely thin, Daenerys only 1/8th, and Jon 1/16th Targaryen. And for a show-teased king Bran to warg a Dragon in the end it would need some groundworks. GRRM's in the last decade after he complained about it, was buisy laying groundworks for plausibility, after he had claimed, that he wanted to keep it real, and he could not logically defeat biological facts (he talked about Wyverns and genetics) , so he altered some things, and bullt backstories. - The First men-house of the Riverland-Masseys (this first-men woman as a foremother to the Velaryons and Targaryens was specifically entered in the story) were married to Velaryon-Targaryen halfbloods with children of unspecified fate, who most likely married into the Riverlands. He stated that the Starks, Strongs and Masseys (and Karstarks) are cadet lines of the same weirwood-blooded First-Men- House. - He added hints that Jaehaerys wasn't faithful to Alysanne (probably out of spite nor was she in the time they spent apart with her in the north). Additionally their youngest daughter supposedly died in childbirth along with her child. But what if that was only a cover-story for the girl/her daughter to disappear from the royal wedding-scemes, that had already caused so much harm in the family, Alysanne having had too less influence/interest to stop it. - Aegon II has fathered a child on a LADY from the Riverlands - so it's a 'Great Bastard' that can be married off to another house (Probably Bracken or Blackwood, they do cousin-mariages, it would keep the blood thick. - Aemond fathered a son on Alys (that probably grew to adulthood - there is also this black-magic Lothstone/Whent thing going on) And there might have been a Bracken or Blackwood-child that could have thickenened both, the Targaryen and Stark Bloodline - Daemon probably fathered a child on Nettles, who went to the Vale to live with the Burned Men, probably children of whom one could be the first-men Royce that wed into the Starks - And for thickening Jon's blood it needs Jacerys fathering a child on Sara Snow, the Starks marrying cousins, too.
If Jon happens to be a Targaryen. Yes I know everything is pointing to that direction but let's see if Martin give us the book or another one is the one to deliver the book
It's not that thin. Because Visery's II wife, Larra Rogare, was a reknown descendant of High Valyrians from Lys (probably even from a lost dragonlord family). Then you have the Martell which has blood from Daenerys (the sister of Daeron) remarrying into the bloodline. Then the Daynes which are rumored to posess some Valyrian in them (They do have the purple valyrian eyes and some even the white hair). Then we have Blackwood heritage marrying into the family through the wife of Aegon V but the Blackwoods have some "magical abilities" and are related to the Plumms which have Valyrian ancestry. Finally you have Daenerys' granparents and parents who married among siblings so the proper blood is not 1/8th. Regardless of it, it got boosted with Daenerys after the fire ritual.
@@Alejojojo6 Ah, I missed the Blackwoods relation with 'the Plumms', thank you. But my point was, that GRM has spent the last decades with worldbuilding and writing ancestry-stories to his characters, to explain their gifts. We will certainly get details about The Blackwoods in the She-Wolves of Winterfell, whenever that comes out.
Great video, I love all Harrenhal theories. I’d love to see a video discussing all the monster/abominations (ex: Bolt-On = vampires, Robert Strong + Maegor T = Frankenstein’s monster, etc).
Cause the war of the Dragons left such tragic and damage legacy. All of Aegon II Targaryen bastards children weren't allowed to make a claim for the Throne.
For people who are still questioning why the Velaryons are Black! The Velaryons aren't Dragons Riders they are originally from Valyira. One or two of members of that house marry a Summer Isles Princess or Merchant's daughter or Seaport Owner's daughter. This why the Sea Snake and his brother like look that. If doesn't satisfy you then think them as the Grandsons of the Lord of House Velaryon.
Thanks for the nice comments and support everyone! Remember to subscribe if you want to see more similar videos, it would mean a lot
The irony of Aemond potentially hooking up with a Strong bastard is rich
guilt got him horny lmao.
Which Strong Bastard?
@@sophiawilson8696 Alys Rivers was a Strong bastard
@@ramisaqn3759 thanks for info
Well he finds them rather strong in character
Starks seemed to be the caretakers or inheritors of secret Tygaryen bloodlines. I wouldn't be shocked if Lyanna ended up being part of some secret Tygaryen bloodline that caused Rhaegar to become obsessed with the idea of her .
Remember the Dance of Dragons are 169 years from the main time line.
It more that House Whent are carriers of Secret Targaryens Bloodline. Not the Starks which Cathy and Edward and Lyse Tully's are House Tully.
*Targaryen
@@sophiawilson8696, but Catelyn children are Starks.
@@sophiawilson8696The Whent’s married into the Tully’s
i suspect that Jenny of Oldstones is a descendant of Aemond and Alys.
its either her or if the house whent theory is real that makes catelyn is a descendant of aemond
Jenny of Old stones was descendant of First Men King's.
And Alys son was killed no?
@@hazeinheavenmay I ask, what is that theory? You have me curious.
@@indiadecoseytillman the theory is about aemond and alys' son founding house whent and continuing their line down to catelyn tully-stark and her children. in 131 AC alys ruled harrenhal as a ''witch queen'' with her son until 151 AC then harrenhal passed to house lothston suddenly and then years later suddenly a new house started the rule again and that house is house whent. they continued to live and marry just like every house do and catelyn stark's mother is a whent so theres a theory about catelyn and her chidren being aemond and alys' descendants.
If Arya is an Aemond Targaryen descendent, she’s the third head of the dragon with Jon (Aegon) and Daenerys. Also, this mirrors Aegon the conqueror and his sister wives with one sister loving to fight and the other preferring to fly on a dragon.
I like the idea Aemond’s son had a child with a whent, since we know Alys did have a child, and that the castle was under her rule until 151AC, quite enough time for her son to be old enough to have children, and the whent child later became Minisa Whent’s ancestor, who was Catelyn’s mother, and thus all Ned Stark’s children are part targaryen, and thus not only did the green bloodline not die out, but ironically they became the ruling lord paramounts of the north and Edmure himself is heir to riverlands, and even more ironic, becoming the house that toppled the last of the black targaryen branch from rule, achieving a final green victory.
This would be so incredible, because no one would be truly aware, it would be a secret that would only be brought up in fire and blood 2 if George ever writes it, and thus make the stark kids and Catelyn’s actions and personalities and dreams in hindsight very interesting, for instance Catelyn’s temper and dislike of bastards a inherited trait from Aemond, Arya admiring visenya so much, Sansa being so lady like just like Alicent, Bran being a dreamer like Daenys and Heleana, Robb being very gifted in battle but letting emotions overcloud wisdom, Rickon’s temper being the dragonsblood awakening.
Plus make it so funny, Robert was literally gonna have someone of Targaryen blood marry his son and the heir after his son a part targaryen, and not just that of the bloodline that was his grandmothers families enemy.
Well, this is definitely interesting.
If Catelyn hating bastards is an inherited trait from Aemond the that’d make 99% of Westeros related to him and his line
The Starks have many abilites. Skin changing, Wargs.
I would love this, the Whent are definitly magical, I thought they were decendands of the Lothstons/Targaryen
The theory about House Whent being descended from Aemond Targaryen brings the prophecy full circle. "From my blood come the prince OR princess who was promised." (Thanks, Missandei.) Rob becoming King of the North would make his sisters princesses. As would Jon becoming King of the North. Whether or not it holds after Rob's death and Jon bending the knee as they're descended from a royal bastard I don't know. Sansa becoming Queen of the North and Bran becoming King of the Six Kingdoms would for sure make Arya a princess twice over, even if she doesn't want it. My long winded point is, Arya, a descendant of both House Stark and Targaryen theory, ended the Night King as technically Princess Arya.
If you want to stick with "The Prince who was promised." Arya has been mistaken for a boy based on how she acts and dresses. She travelled disguised as a boy for a time. That could be the image of her seen in a dragon dream that resulted in the prophecy inscribed on the dagger. I also suspect that Ice, the Valyrian steel greatsword also hides the same prophecy. As do all the Valyrian steel house heirlooms.
I notice the irony that Robb being a descendant of the Green faction and Jon a descendant of the Blacks were the closest siblings, considering that both factions hated each other.
The Aemond bloodline in House Whent would actually justify what they did in Season 8 and have Arya kill the night king. It would be so ironic becaulse the greens don't know about the prophecy cos Viserys only told Rhaenyra and she's told Daemon and frankly the valyrian didn't say prince or princess, the Targaryen just thought it should be someone from their legal male primogeniture i.e Jon. And frankly Arya whose idols is Visenya is a great assassin and swordswoman and i'm thinking she's one of the ppl who deserve to have ridden a dragon. Catelyn herself bears a striking physical resemblance to Aemond in only her facial traits.
There are many people with Targaryen blood still alive in Westeros, House Targaryen is not extinct!!!
Including Robert baratheon who crushed the targaryen rascals
If it's correct that the stark children carry Targaryen blood through Aemond and House Whent, wouldn't that make all the Stark children contenders for the title of The Prince That Was Promised. Given that she has (in theory) both the blood of old Valyria and the first men, Arya may be the second strongest match, also given the fact she killed the night king.
idk, it wouldn't surprise me if she was
It hurts my brain when people say stuff like this and it’s because at one point these hbo programs did not exist and it was basically considered canon that at the end of book 1 we see the prophecy happen right infront of us BEFORE ANYONE EVER MENTIONED IT. We see her born again in salt and smoke, bring magic back to the world, all under a red comet. Blah blah blah. Then in book 2 and onward people bring up this prophecy. Chronological events and details laid out in the book suggests that it’s not some uber complicated secret concept. It’s right in front of you. It wasn’t until these shitty adaptations that it was called into great question and the general consensus was it was very obvious who the book was referring to. It’s frustrating to watch the discourse become less and less attached to what the source material actually says. It’s the result of dingbat not finishing the god damn story though 🤷♀️
Well. . . . .theres also a theory that said that Daeron before engaging in war, he got a child just in case everything goes south. Thats why Daenerys is quite resemblance to Lynesse Hightower. Or that Jace got married with Sarah and get her pregnant. Or one of the famous Bastard child of Aegon II, could have been exchange with. Aegon III or Viserys. . . . . . . so there are some room for crazy wild thing.
Lynesse Hightowers looks like Daenerys because the Hightowers are from prehistoric Dragons Ruling Empire before the Valyirans.
@@sophiawilson8696 quite difficult i must Said The DNA Make-up it's a rare thing but both woman sharing a more recently ancestors sells the thing off.
but the hightowers have looked valyrian since at least Alicent. It’s why Jaehaerys confused her for Saera on his death bed
The truth is that Hightowers are pre Valyirans. Also the House Dayne?.
Alys keeps it Strong
The fact remains we will never know. Who any of Aemond or Aegon the second's illegitimate lines are. Its all very hazy. Unless Martin starts talking about where people ended up.
It's truly NOT thin logic. Look at these characters..they are not human. This is a really good video.
Make sense if the Targaryen are magic they would have dragon people in their families
Visenya the daughter of Rhaenyra could have been one if she wasn't stillborn.
I mean if the Starks are descendants of Aemond, that does mean a Targaryen still sits the iron throne at the end of got xD maybe it wasn't all for nothing then. But we shall see how the books end.
Love to know his lineage didn't end, thanks Alys ❤
Interesting video
The theory, creative as it might be, has no support beyond the supporters themselves wanting it to be true. House Whent is likely to House Lothston what House Cassel is to House Stark: sworn allies and perhaps even related, hence the sigils. As of the Starks potentially having Targaryen blood... Aemond wouldn't be needed for that, any descendant of Baela, Rhaena, Elaena, etc. could have found their way to the family tree through thhe Blackwoods
House Lothston could be the decendants of Alys too. Just exchange the Whents for Lothston and the theory still works.
@@vanessaamesty6739 I mean, it is possible, but still, not very likely. House Lothston predates Alys for a century or so, and by then they were relevant enough to marry proper nobility, Alys' line would be... Risky at best
Egg (Aegon) was marry to Blackwood later on.
@@sophiawilson8696 And so did the Starks in the same generation (in fact some people suspect Melantha and Betha might be sisters)
🌟NICE VIDEO MAN
If the House Whent part is true then that makes an even more interesting dynamic between Rhaegar Targaryen and Oswell Whent
I really hope we see Daeron in HOTD
All I kept thinking was about melesandra .. was she then a decendent and thus the reason why the prohophy of the prince that was promised continued.
Nope. The targs wont even know this story by the time of the next king. Mostly because is nonsense and not canon to the books. It’s not Aegons prophecy in the books it’s just an eastern story in general that a lot of people know. From red priests to the house of the undying. The show thinks it’s cooler than it actually is
Well, GRRM has a serious problem with his 'magic bloodlines': Daenerys is more Bracken&Blackwood than Targaryen-Dragon-Riders, so is Jon. - UNLESS Aegon and Aemond AND Daemon fathered LOADS of children to boost the Riverland-&Vale Houses. Daenerys and Jon's Dragonblood runs extremely thin, Daenerys only 1/8th, and Jon 1/16th Targaryen. And for a show-teased king Bran to warg a Dragon in the end it would need some groundworks.
GRRM's in the last decade after he complained about it, was buisy laying groundworks for plausibility, after he had claimed, that he wanted to keep it real, and he could not logically defeat biological facts (he talked about Wyverns and genetics) , so he altered some things, and bullt backstories.
- The First men-house of the Riverland-Masseys (this first-men woman as a foremother to the Velaryons and Targaryens was specifically entered in the story) were married to Velaryon-Targaryen halfbloods with children of unspecified fate, who most likely married into the Riverlands. He stated that the Starks, Strongs and Masseys (and Karstarks) are cadet lines of the same weirwood-blooded First-Men- House.
- He added hints that Jaehaerys wasn't faithful to Alysanne (probably out of spite nor was she in the time they spent apart with her in the north). Additionally their youngest daughter supposedly died in childbirth along with her child. But what if that was only a cover-story for the girl/her daughter to disappear from the royal wedding-scemes, that had already caused so much harm in the family, Alysanne having had too less influence/interest to stop it.
- Aegon II has fathered a child on a LADY from the Riverlands - so it's a 'Great Bastard' that can be married off to another house (Probably Bracken or Blackwood, they do cousin-mariages, it would keep the blood thick.
- Aemond fathered a son on Alys (that probably grew to adulthood - there is also this black-magic Lothstone/Whent thing going on) And there might have been a Bracken or Blackwood-child that could have thickenened both, the Targaryen and Stark Bloodline
- Daemon probably fathered a child on Nettles, who went to the Vale to live with the Burned Men, probably children of whom one could be the first-men Royce that wed into the Starks
- And for thickening Jon's blood it needs Jacerys fathering a child on Sara Snow, the Starks marrying cousins, too.
If Jon happens to be a Targaryen. Yes I know everything is pointing to that direction but let's see if Martin give us the book or another one is the one to deliver the book
He doesn't make things clear in his books
YAPPERNATOR SUPREME
It's not that thin. Because Visery's II wife, Larra Rogare, was a reknown descendant of High Valyrians from Lys (probably even from a lost dragonlord family). Then you have the Martell which has blood from Daenerys (the sister of Daeron) remarrying into the bloodline. Then the Daynes which are rumored to posess some Valyrian in them (They do have the purple valyrian eyes and some even the white hair). Then we have Blackwood heritage marrying into the family through the wife of Aegon V but the Blackwoods have some "magical abilities" and are related to the Plumms which have Valyrian ancestry. Finally you have Daenerys' granparents and parents who married among siblings so the proper blood is not 1/8th. Regardless of it, it got boosted with Daenerys after the fire ritual.
@@Alejojojo6 Ah, I missed the Blackwoods relation with 'the Plumms', thank you. But my point was, that GRM has spent the last decades with worldbuilding and writing ancestry-stories to his characters, to explain their gifts. We will certainly get details about The Blackwoods in the She-Wolves of Winterfell, whenever that comes out.
Big problem with the first theory the whents didn't get harrenhal til mad danyl lothston
Great video, I love all Harrenhal theories. I’d love to see a video discussing all the monster/abominations (ex: Bolt-On = vampires, Robert Strong + Maegor T = Frankenstein’s monster, etc).
On Bolt is best heard theory I heard in the books version. I wish was true!.
Cause the war of the Dragons left such tragic and damage legacy. All of Aegon II Targaryen bastards children weren't allowed to make a claim for the Throne.
Do Daynes or Blackwoods, or House Brightflame or Brightfire? . House Blackwood or House Hightowers or House LongWaters! House Justice.
I deeply believe Aemond is Sansa’s ancestor.
I hope this is reveal in some capacity in the show.
Well. You mean all of the children are bar Jon. Not just Sansa.
I think Arya would be his favourite. Alicent would love Sansa!
Wouldn’t it be house Lostin? They had Harrenhall before the Whent’s.
Great theory
What if tyrion was one as well..
Tyrion could be the son of Aerys The Mad king. check out the time line.
Why couldn’t they find this man someone his age or close to it 🙄
For people who are still questioning why the Velaryons are Black! The Velaryons aren't Dragons Riders they are originally from Valyira. One or two of members of that house marry a Summer Isles Princess or Merchant's daughter or Seaport Owner's daughter. This why the Sea Snake and his brother like look that. If doesn't satisfy you then think them as the Grandsons of the Lord of House Velaryon.
In the books they re not black.
Why Is Every Word Capitalized?
I Didn't Notice Until You Said Something
GRRM and whoever writes the HBO show lean waaaaaaaaaaay to hard into the "who is banging who and who is the real daddy" trope.
Game of thrones is for people who like having blue balls.
Aemond has mommy issues
True 😂
Weird AI voice
There is better place for FanFiction
Thank you for this. There is literally no evidence of this. Guy just loved the character Aemond and refuses to accept that the Greens' line is dead.
First to take the black 🖤
Varys
Yeah?