So i did almost include Shiera Seastar in this video, but if i included her by that logic i would have to include all of Aegon iv bastards, and sooooo little is known about most of them it would have been very tricky. But, i am working on a Blackfyre video where i go into depth about Bloodraven, Shiera and Aegor and the impact they had. So i will likely devle into that aspect of her then.
I like to think Shiera was Bloodravens spymaster source for information and was a vital part of ruling behind the shadows with him while he was Hand. Perhaps even learned how to use sorcery and fire magic effectively in combat.
I've heard a theory that Vaegon was deliberately played down in the histories because he played a key role in the maester conspiracy to eradicate the dragons. He likely knew about their weaknesses
King Jaehaerys confusing Alicent Hightower for Saera has lead to some people believing Alicent must have white hair as well. I counter this with Jaehaerys simply being sick and confused; my grandfather has dementia and frequently confuses me for my cousins despite our differences in hair color
The Hightowers have a lot of blonds in their family including multiple members being described with very Targaryan features despite not having Valyrian blood. I think it is likely she had light blond hair given how many Hightowers have Targaryan features.
@@mermaidnurse17 the Hightowers having blond individuals also makes sense, since some Targs ended up more blond than silver, such as Alysanne and Alyssa, so I can see a confused old man seeing a blond girland thinking "my long lost daughter has returned to me!"
@@RapaxGuardian I can too. I also see where this original commentator is coming from because the demented confuse people with no real logic sometimes. However I always imagine Alicent as being more blond and fair than having dark hair and eyes. Especially because we do see that Targaryan features are just as likely to be recessive when they have children with darker haired families. GRRM makes a point of showing that not all Targaryans are fair haired and that not all people with Targaryan coloring are of Valerian decent. It seems to me if she had dark hair at least one of her children would have had dark hair. That is just my opinion though.
@@mermaidnurse17 in my opinion, the tv show only uses hair color for storyline purposes. supposedly in the books, rhaenyra’s bastards DID have white hair, but in the show they have dark hair to OBVIOUSLY show they are bastards. but all of alicent’s kids had white hair despite her genes supposedly being more dominant than targ? rhaenys had black hair in the books and was still a dragon rider, but they changed that for some particular reason. it actually doesn’t even make sense for jon snow to have dark hair either imo other than plot armor to hide his identity. most of the time in the books tho, there is an actual science behind the genes and valerian genes are weaker compared to the genes of first men, rhoynar, and the andals. it’s one of the main reasons why targs interbreed: to keep their genes alive and to keep dragon riders alive and in power (but it is a theory this is propaganda from targs to keep only their family in power) GRRM has stated that incest has no affect on genes in the GOT universe despite it being the opposite irl.
Alyn is a lucky one. Born as a bastard becomes the Lord of Driftmark, Married a princess. Renowned as a great warrior and sailor, loved by two other princesses. He was the most beneficiary one in the Dance of Dragons.
You forgot Rhaella, daughter of Rhaena and Aegon the uncrowned. She disappears from record after her mother's death 73 AC, when Rhaella is only 31. It's assumed she spent the rest of her life in the Citadel as she was a septa, but we have no mention of her after that and no confirmed death date. She was probably still there when her cousin, Princess/Septa Maegelle, died of greyscale in 96 AC and when Princess Saera was an apprentice silent sister almost a decade earlier (84-85 AC). Once Jaehaerys has heir of his own, no one cares about Rhaella. It's my theory that Maegor & Vaella were married to each other & if they had any children, they were all at Summerhall when it burned. Maybe on purpose, like as a sacrifice, to hatch the seven eggs Aegon V is said to have collected there. IDK if he was desperate enough, if he believed prophecy that much in his age, if dragon dreams had sent him around the bend enough?
You missed Aemond's child with Alys Rivers whose fate we also dont know. Alys Rivers claimed he was a trueborn son, other said he was a bastard. Either way he amd her just vanish from the records.
@@ShaiShai1 there is something about her ruling and claiming her son aemond as the true king but then her and her son just vanish from records after that.
@@christopherchuauhang4829 His partial claim was having Targ blood through his grandmother, but his main claim was by the right of conquest. I have found it weird that no one in the novel has stressed Baratheons were blood of the dragons through male line.
I agree, GRRM seems to really like Daemon, but I think him surviving is either too crazy to be true given the manner of his likely death. Maybe GRRM enjoys leaving the possibility open, like Ashara Dayne, but just because someone's body has never been found doesn't mean they're still alive.
it's funny that in ASOIAF, the royal family having too many members is as troublesome as having too few members. In the first case there is always the fear and paranoia of the line going extinct, and in the last case, the king having too many kids also means that some children would ended up being neglected thus causing troubles ( in Jaehearys and later King Daeron II rule)
I'd say there's a chance we'll hear about Saera, mainly due the similarity in a name and former occupation of Ilyro's wife Serra. If Saera did have sons, it's possible one of their descendants also hooked up with a Blackfyre, meaning (F)Aegon is descended from two Targaryen exiles.
There are so many open spaces. Like before F&B we had no idea about Rhaena's marriage to Androw Farman. How many other second and third marriages will also be created in Part II; What happened to Queen Shaera, or Myriah or Jena Dondarrion, Alinor Penrose, Alys Arryn? How those marriages even happen?? A Dondarrion crown princess is so weird. And the mysterious Dyanna Dayne, and so many other...
He's getting his own video. It one of the biggest dangling plot threads from fire and blood, and the implication of some of the fan theories are huge if true, directly impacting some elements of the main books. It's gonna be a longform video due to the sheer amount of background lore needed.
I believe he’s alive and played a bigger role like bran and bynden Rivers did. The first 4 episodes of House of the Dragon is titled for Daemon. He was a nomad too, I don’t need nothing, he lived his days in the mountains in the vale.
Robert never really sought out to kill all Targaryens, he was never that cruel. The only Targaryen he ever killed was Rhaegar and after the fall of House Targaryen he even spared the lives of Daenerys and Viserys. He may have ordered the death of Targaryen near the end of his life, but even close to his death he took it back and wished her not to be harmed. Robert himself is basically the next close kin to Daenerys and it's publicly well known that House Baratheon is blood related to the Targaryens. Not only them, but also House Hightower, House Longwaters, House Martell, House Plumm, House Velaryon, etc. The Targaryens were in fact very fertile and there are probably thousands of descendants by Aegon the Conqueror, whether they be noble or common, poor or rich, Westerosi or from some other culture (like Ben Plumm from Essos).
People do fall in and out the pages of history. Like Bessie Blount, she was important enough while Henry Fitzroy was alive, but once he died, her significance fizzled out, and we don't know when she died or where she was buried. So I can see some of them just dying, and without connection to the current politics or troublesome descendants, the record would've been a long-lost footnote. Although, I am inclined to believe that baby Maegor and his Brightflame line was an idea before Blackfyres were invented. Varys is plotting long before the Blackfyres are namedropped or Young Griff introduced. But I am surprised that Aegon V's sisters are not accounted for. Considering how his elder siblings fared. Daeron married a Tyroshi, and Aemon became a Maester. Aegon married Betha Blackwood. I am surprised none of them made a major family marriage or that the princesses seem lost to time and their descendants not mentioned at all. And a great grandmother does not a Targaryen make, but they could be close enough to potentially ride a dragon? It would be quite interesting for one of them to marry in Tarth, then she would be having a baby with Duncan the Tall (talk about messy) and would make Brienne distantly related (ah Jaime and his Targaryen connections never end). It is also possible that the other married a Velaryon. This would be the kind of match that wouldn't seem groundbreaking enough to extensively report on. Would make Lucerys Velaryon's support of Aerys have another layer too through very recent familial ties. Wouldn't it be funny if Young Griff is trying to clsim one of Dany's dragons only for Aurane Waters to swoop in and take it instead?
@sophiawilson8696 True, it is never specified that they had any children, and I don't think Jenny is even named as having died with Duncan. Her Woods Witch lived, though. And if the theory that Rhaegar wrote Jenny's song after talking with the Ghost of High Heart in the ruins of Harrenhall, then we can deduce that she was not a happy girl. But there is no mention of her husband's family taking care of her. Personally, I think she survived for a bit after Duncan died. Went home to the ruins of Oldstones and dances with her ghost until dying of grief and broken heart. Nothing suggests she had children, BUT wouldn't it be a twist if she gave birth after Summerhall and her little prince or princess was lost there somewhere?
The plot hole of the world building of Ice and Fire is this, due to shear number of marriages and Targaryen children, by the time of the main series there would be more Targaryens than Daenerys. There are a lot of loose ends for there to be just one left.
I know she married into House Targaryen, but what about Daenaera Velaryon, Queen Consort to Aegon III? The last text mention of her (as far as I can tell) was after the birth of her children. It’s also unknown if she outlived her husband.
Would be cool a book about this lesser know Targaryens something like another book series that GRRM edits : Wild Cards series and in this case as example: DEUCES DOWN where you have chapters of tiny characters with lesser powers (trivial or specific powers) Would be good
Just a suspicion on my part and some others who have likewise expressed, that Daemon becomes the Bloodraven. That high level Greenseer who has literally been becoming one with the roots of the Weirwood Trees. I really do hope that there's a Fire and Ice II incoming soon. That this may even explain GRRM's verrrry long delay in getting the much anticipated and long awaited finishing up of The Winds of Winter 🧐
its funny how Alyn was pissed of at the Sea Snake for him neglecting his bastard sons during their youth only for him to follow in his father footsteps and do the same thing
I am very curious of what happend to Daena Targaryen. We know that she gave birth to Daemon Blackfyre and that her claim on the throne was desmist. But after that she is a ghost. We don't know if she had any part in the Blackfyre rebellions and is not metiont to been at the court of Aegon the unworthy.
Great video I do agree with this list some of these characters. Some of these Targaryen need proper closure. What about Daemon Blackfyre mother Daena the Defiant ?? I know they say she died about 171 or after but if she was alive during the Blackfyre rebellion she be about her early 50's.
For the watch !!! For the lord commander !! All my brothers who have taken the Black!!! Brother Bittersteel!!! I see you !!! This is a fascinating video, about missing characters..
As much as I'd like to think Daemon survived even if Aemond didn't kill him, if you fall out of an airplane with no parachute into water you're basically hitting concrete. We can only survive up to 100 ft/s impact velocity on water, that's not very high to be honest. On top of that assuming you don't splatter on the surface like an egg on concrete, you have the wreckage of the plane to deal with. In this case, both riders were on the dragons so even if he jumped off he had to dodge two Dragon corpses from knocking him out and pinning him under water. As if that's not reason enough to believe he died, I believe the books say the water boiled from the heat of the dragons blood mixing in and so far we only see Daenarys is immune to fire damage.
On a similar subject I've always wondered if theres any info on the original 4 dragons the targaryen came over with, I've been wanting to of ow more about them
I'm actually working on sequel to this video about lost dragons, i will be talking about this, but given we have no record of any conflict, they must have died of old age, i really hope it's something that gets fleshed out one day.
@@WorldOfWesteros I'm currently of the opinion that balerion must have been a young dragon when they came over and the other 4 where elders, the 4 made 2 Breading pairs that made vhagar and meraxes and then balerion mated with both of them to produce all the dragons that are nealry 100 years old and quick silver
Thats the thing for me that makes me think he died, if he lived there is no way he just goes into hiding with the power vacuum we have after the dance.
I should also mention that we have no idea as to the fates of any of Aegon the Conqueror's ancestors, and there is least one Targaryen female who married out of House Targaryen (Gaemon and Daenys's second daughter, who married a petty lord whose descendant was a claimant at the Council of 101 AC). But agreed, a separate series of videos is needed for all of the dragonseeds as well as the descendants of female Targaryens who married out of the family.
I believe based on his shaved head, where he was from, and that he was sought out for sacrifice, that Vasrys the Spider is a descendant of King Jaheryus's exiled daughter.
That only causes more problems in the community as it doesn't explain how he was born on Dragonstone then some how for some reason was then raised by his mother in Lys?
@@jeambeam3173 We don’t know how old he was when she left Hugh. Hell, we don’t even know Hugh’s age. But she left the 7 kingdoms in 85-86ac for Lys and then in 99 she moved to Volantis. So she speaks pf her brothers SONS meaning it was after 81ac when Daemon was born that she left. So between 81 and 84 when her antics were discovered and she was sent to be a Septa in Old town seems reasonable. It makes Hugh around 50 which seems reasonable (it makes him around the age of Daemon & Cole who don’t look 50 either). Also of note is that Saera was a large point of contention between Jaehaerys and Alysane with Alysane begging him to forgive her. Alysane was also a very active and involved Queen with her own power and authority. It isn’t unreasonable (although unsupported in the books) to think she lied to King Jae and created the cover of Saera in Lys while protecting her at Dragonstone. That lines up her departure to Volantis with Alysanne becoming sick and dying as the events are within a year of one another. So since we know so little actual fact and the facts we do have are self admittedly to be of questionable reliability we can’t disprove anything.
I have a theory that Damon lived, flew over to essos and his dragon are the bones that Rakharo finds south of Vaes Tolorro in a clash of kings. Admittedly I am only ready got for the first time but I can’t find any information on who this dragon is. Clearly it must have been an old and powerful one since Rakharo can ride his horse through the skeletons mouth
I cant believe what happened to Sunfyre. Really sad. RIP to my golden boy. Also it is interesting to speculate who the dragonseeds are the children of. Who do y'all think Hugh's father was?
caught me off guard at first, but when i rewatched the scene i think Cole believes he will die but take a long time doing so, and the black are assuming if Aegon was that badly hurt, Sunfyre is dead. i think they may go down the road where they want to keep him surviving a secret to make the dragonstone plot twist hit harder
@@WorldOfWesteros I was wondering the same since I watched game of thrones and read Fire and Blood so I know what happens to him. I just thought it was weird. I guess it makes sense to say he's dead to make it a twist I suppose.
I think if we have to wait for GRRM to write book 2, then forget it. We will have to deal with the one book we do have. I've read there's a theory Daemon didn't die, but the children of the Forest pulled him out of the waters and made him the first 3 eyed Raven there on God's Eye. Any comment?
Lol had totally forgotten that grrm hasn't published F&B part 2 yet At this point I'd put good money on him never publishing anything else over his lifetime
i have a feeling Fire And Blood part 2 is mostly done but he know he can't publish it unless he somehow publishes winds first. I think he knows both fans and his publishers would not been happy. I mean fire and blood part 1 was only published to give his publisher something to put out and HBO spin off bait.
@WorldofWesteros I have a belief that Prince 🤴 Maegor Brightflame Targaryen might be the biological father of Ser Gerold Dayne. If it is true that 👑 Aegon V placed his infant nephew with his noble kin of House Dayne at Castle Starfall 🏯 in Dorne to preserve & protect him from the vipers and rats of the Royal Court and the capitol at large which so corrupted Daemon Blackfyre in his impressionable youth. The theory is that Prince Maegor would be adopted into House Dayne entirely and never know his true identity or birth name and his upbringing would be no worse for it as he would have every comfort and confidence provide by his blood relations with his grandmother's House ~ The Lady Dyanna Dayne. If he had fathered the newborn Gerold Dayne in 270 - 274 AC the fully grown Maegor Brightflame Targaryen would only be on his late 30's or early 40's at the time of conception and of unquestioned vigor and vitality. What say you?!? That streak of midnight black streak on the Silvery-White head of the Darkstar of hair could be a progressive trait he directly inherited from Maegor Brightflame Targaryen as per the illustration of Elio and Linda's official website ASOIAF Wikia.
Hm… So Archmaester Vaegon is the reason Rhaenys was screwed over by the Great Council? Rhaenys and Saerra really show just what an awful misogynistic man Jaehaerys really was.
I think Rhaena is a lesbian/nonbinary and the show has connected her to the Lady Arryn of The Vale. There is clearly some form of connection and it’s the woman who empowers her while being leader of the reason she rumored to flee too. Makes sense to me.
Even in Fire and Blood, we know she had a few bastard sons at least because they showed up at the Great Council if I’m not wrong to try and put forward a (laughable) claim.
So i did almost include Shiera Seastar in this video, but if i included her by that logic i would have to include all of Aegon iv bastards, and sooooo little is known about most of them it would have been very tricky. But, i am working on a Blackfyre video where i go into depth about Bloodraven, Shiera and Aegor and the impact they had. So i will likely devle into that aspect of her then.
@@WorldOfWesteros Blackfyre content?!
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@@WorldOfWesteros I heard she was good looking
@@lawrencereid2767understatement of the century
Please do his marriage to calla
I like to think Shiera was Bloodravens spymaster source for information and was a vital part of ruling behind the shadows with him while he was Hand. Perhaps even learned how to use sorcery and fire magic effectively in combat.
I've heard a theory that Vaegon was deliberately played down in the histories because he played a key role in the maester conspiracy to eradicate the dragons. He likely knew about their weaknesses
What would his motivations be?
@@MisbornHeirgetting picked on and cast aside for his brothers the great Aemon and Balon
@@Airhead348very weak motivation.
@@wagnerpereira9826 well we weren't there were we? Do you have some better ideas?
@@wagnerpereira9826 maybe they stole his girlfriend/sister? Is that better?
King Jaehaerys confusing Alicent Hightower for Saera has lead to some people believing Alicent must have white hair as well.
I counter this with Jaehaerys simply being sick and confused; my grandfather has dementia and frequently confuses me for my cousins despite our differences in hair color
The Hightowers have a lot of blonds in their family including multiple members being described with very Targaryan features despite not having Valyrian blood. I think it is likely she had light blond hair given how many Hightowers have Targaryan features.
@@mermaidnurse17 otto, hobart and gwayn are pretty fair haired in the show, curious alicent is a red head, are florents known for fox-red hair?
@@mermaidnurse17 the Hightowers having blond individuals also makes sense, since some Targs ended up more blond than silver, such as Alysanne and Alyssa, so I can see a confused old man seeing a blond girland thinking "my long lost daughter has returned to me!"
@@RapaxGuardian I can too. I also see where this original commentator is coming from because the demented confuse people with no real logic sometimes. However I always imagine Alicent as being more blond and fair than having dark hair and eyes. Especially because we do see that Targaryan features are just as likely to be recessive when they have children with darker haired families. GRRM makes a point of showing that not all Targaryans are fair haired and that not all people with Targaryan coloring are of Valerian decent. It seems to me if she had dark hair at least one of her children would have had dark hair. That is just my opinion though.
@@mermaidnurse17 in my opinion, the tv show only uses hair color for storyline purposes. supposedly in the books, rhaenyra’s bastards DID have white hair, but in the show they have dark hair to OBVIOUSLY show they are bastards. but all of alicent’s kids had white hair despite her genes supposedly being more dominant than targ? rhaenys had black hair in the books and was still a dragon rider, but they changed that for some particular reason. it actually doesn’t even make sense for jon snow to have dark hair either imo other than plot armor to hide his identity. most of the time in the books tho, there is an actual science behind the genes and valerian genes are weaker compared to the genes of first men, rhoynar, and the andals. it’s one of the main reasons why targs interbreed: to keep their genes alive and to keep dragon riders alive and in power (but it is a theory this is propaganda from targs to keep only their family in power) GRRM has stated that incest has no affect on genes in the GOT universe despite it being the opposite irl.
Alyn is a lucky one. Born as a bastard becomes the Lord of Driftmark, Married a princess. Renowned as a great warrior and sailor, loved by two other princesses. He was the most beneficiary one in the Dance of Dragons.
And his brother Addam. LOYAL
You forgot Rhaella, daughter of Rhaena and Aegon the uncrowned. She disappears from record after her mother's death 73 AC, when Rhaella is only 31. It's assumed she spent the rest of her life in the Citadel as she was a septa, but we have no mention of her after that and no confirmed death date. She was probably still there when her cousin, Princess/Septa Maegelle, died of greyscale in 96 AC and when Princess Saera was an apprentice silent sister almost a decade earlier (84-85 AC). Once Jaehaerys has heir of his own, no one cares about Rhaella.
It's my theory that Maegor & Vaella were married to each other & if they had any children, they were all at Summerhall when it burned. Maybe on purpose, like as a sacrifice, to hatch the seven eggs Aegon V is said to have collected there. IDK if he was desperate enough, if he believed prophecy that much in his age, if dragon dreams had sent him around the bend enough?
You missed Aemond's child with Alys Rivers whose fate we also dont know. Alys Rivers claimed he was a trueborn son, other said he was a bastard. Either way he amd her just vanish from the records.
There’s something about her ruling harrenhal post war with her and aemonds son
@@ShaiShai1 there is something about her ruling and claiming her son aemond as the true king but then her and her son just vanish from records after that.
Don’t forget about house Plumm. Viserys Plumm and Ben Plumm. Baratheons are technically lost Targs as well.
Unfortunately they got extinct I think
I think that’s a huge reason why when Robert took the throne for himself there was not much contest since he was also part Targaryen himself.
@@christopherchuauhang4829 His partial claim was having Targ blood through his grandmother, but his main claim was by the right of conquest. I have found it weird that no one in the novel has stressed Baratheons were blood of the dragons through male line.
@@JR5745 agreed.
@@eternallife3649only in modern day in Westeros
Whether dead or alive I think Daemon’s body washed up on the Isle of Faces. No one can get there, so no one found him.
I agree, GRRM seems to really like Daemon, but I think him surviving is either too crazy to be true given the manner of his likely death. Maybe GRRM enjoys leaving the possibility open, like Ashara Dayne, but just because someone's body has never been found doesn't mean they're still alive.
You had this ready for the end of episode 5 today.
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it's funny that in ASOIAF, the royal family having too many members is as troublesome as having too few members. In the first case there is always the fear and paranoia of the line going extinct, and in the last case, the king having too many kids also means that some children would ended up being neglected thus causing troubles ( in Jaehearys and later King Daeron II rule)
This channel deserves so much more attention, literally 10/10 videos with such great quality.
Chefs kiss
Maegor, son of Aerion, but knowing GRRM, he's gonna die some random death.
The Targaryens are like The Joestars, they never catch a break for their entire life
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Great vid gathering these bits of lore all in one spot. Very interesting, imo.
I take the Black for House Blackwood. First,now,and always
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@aegorbittersteel2154 Blackwoods are better. I am very well brother. I hope all is well with you as well.
@gregrobertson5576 I am well thank you. Unfortunately haven't seen the episode yet but heard it's got a great Bracken moment so I am hyped😄
House Blackwood despoils septs and steal women from their beds. The Bracken are right to distrust those tree worshippers
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I'd say there's a chance we'll hear about Saera, mainly due the similarity in a name and former occupation of Ilyro's wife Serra. If Saera did have sons, it's possible one of their descendants also hooked up with a Blackfyre, meaning (F)Aegon is descended from two Targaryen exiles.
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Been bingeing these all these vids cool to see a new one!
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Thank you for this. I had long discussion on this last week. Also Aegon IV had other illegitimate kids like the Otherys sisters. What became of them?
wait a minute, so you mean to tell me… Elaena is fond of the uncle of her own aunt? Girl……
who is about 35 years her senior....
Which website or app do you use for editing? particularly, inserting images
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There are so many open spaces. Like before F&B we had no idea about Rhaena's marriage to Androw Farman. How many other second and third marriages will also be created in Part II; What happened to Queen Shaera, or Myriah or Jena Dondarrion, Alinor Penrose, Alys Arryn? How those marriages even happen?? A Dondarrion crown princess is so weird. And the mysterious Dyanna Dayne, and so many other...
What about the lost bastards like Aemond and Aly's son?
When I saw the title, I immediately thought of Aemond and Alys' son!
He's getting his own video. It one of the biggest dangling plot threads from fire and blood, and the implication of some of the fan theories are huge if true, directly impacting some elements of the main books. It's gonna be a longform video due to the sheer amount of background lore needed.
@@chrisrubin6445 House Wheat!
random question out of topic, where did the kingsguard captain go after episode 9 of hotd?????? sir harold westerling
I was just thinking the same thing today, I was atleast expecting him to show up on Dragonstone.
I believe he’s alive and played a bigger role like bran and bynden Rivers did. The first 4 episodes of House of the Dragon is titled for Daemon. He was a nomad too, I don’t need nothing, he lived his days in the mountains in the vale.
There has to be more lost Targaryens, i would even reach as far as Targaryen bastards. Robert couldn’t have gotten them all
Robert never really sought out to kill all Targaryens, he was never that cruel. The only Targaryen he ever killed was Rhaegar and after the fall of House Targaryen he even spared the lives of Daenerys and Viserys. He may have ordered the death of Targaryen near the end of his life, but even close to his death he took it back and wished her not to be harmed. Robert himself is basically the next close kin to Daenerys and it's publicly well known that House Baratheon is blood related to the Targaryens. Not only them, but also House Hightower, House Longwaters, House Martell, House Plumm, House Velaryon, etc. The Targaryens were in fact very fertile and there are probably thousands of descendants by Aegon the Conqueror, whether they be noble or common, poor or rich, Westerosi or from some other culture (like Ben Plumm from Essos).
People do fall in and out the pages of history. Like Bessie Blount, she was important enough while Henry Fitzroy was alive, but once he died, her significance fizzled out, and we don't know when she died or where she was buried. So I can see some of them just dying, and without connection to the current politics or troublesome descendants, the record would've been a long-lost footnote. Although, I am inclined to believe that baby Maegor and his Brightflame line was an idea before Blackfyres were invented. Varys is plotting long before the Blackfyres are namedropped or Young Griff introduced. But I am surprised that Aegon V's sisters are not accounted for. Considering how his elder siblings fared. Daeron married a Tyroshi, and Aemon became a Maester. Aegon married Betha Blackwood. I am surprised none of them made a major family marriage or that the princesses seem lost to time and their descendants not mentioned at all. And a great grandmother does not a Targaryen make, but they could be close enough to potentially ride a dragon? It would be quite interesting for one of them to marry in Tarth, then she would be having a baby with Duncan the Tall (talk about messy) and would make Brienne distantly related (ah Jaime and his Targaryen connections never end). It is also possible that the other married a Velaryon. This would be the kind of match that wouldn't seem groundbreaking enough to extensively report on. Would make Lucerys Velaryon's support of Aerys have another layer too through very recent familial ties. Wouldn't it be funny if Young Griff is trying to clsim one of Dany's dragons only for Aurane Waters to swoop in and take it instead?
Jenny Oldstones and Duncan Targaryen not sure if they had any children, Duncan died in the Summer hall fire!.
@sophiawilson8696 True, it is never specified that they had any children, and I don't think Jenny is even named as having died with Duncan. Her Woods Witch lived, though. And if the theory that Rhaegar wrote Jenny's song after talking with the Ghost of High Heart in the ruins of Harrenhall, then we can deduce that she was not a happy girl. But there is no mention of her husband's family taking care of her. Personally, I think she survived for a bit after Duncan died. Went home to the ruins of Oldstones and dances with her ghost until dying of grief and broken heart. Nothing suggests she had children, BUT wouldn't it be a twist if she gave birth after Summerhall and her little prince or princess was lost there somewhere?
The plot hole of the world building of Ice and Fire is this, due to shear number of marriages and Targaryen children, by the time of the main series there would be more Targaryens than Daenerys. There are a lot of loose ends for there to be just one left.
I know she married into House Targaryen, but what about Daenaera Velaryon, Queen Consort to Aegon III? The last text mention of her (as far as I can tell) was after the birth of her children. It’s also unknown if she outlived her husband.
Would be cool a book about this lesser know Targaryens something like another book series that GRRM edits :
Wild Cards series and in this case as example: DEUCES DOWN where you have chapters of tiny characters with lesser powers (trivial or specific powers)
Would be good
I doubt daemon would run away. If he was alive he would have tried to help his queen more.
Just a suspicion on my part and some others who have likewise expressed, that Daemon becomes the Bloodraven. That high level Greenseer who has literally been becoming one with the roots of the Weirwood Trees. I really do hope that there's a Fire and Ice II incoming soon. That this may even explain GRRM's verrrry long delay in getting the much anticipated and long awaited finishing up of The Winds of Winter 🧐
its funny how Alyn was pissed of at the Sea Snake for him neglecting his bastard sons during their youth only for him to follow in his father footsteps and do the same thing
I am very curious of what happend to Daena Targaryen. We know that she gave birth to Daemon Blackfyre and that her claim on the throne was desmist. But after that she is a ghost. We don't know if she had any part in the Blackfyre rebellions and is not metiont to been at the court of Aegon the unworthy.
1st to take the Black for House Blackfyre 🗡 I finally made it at the different time😄
honestly not uploading at my normal time really throws me off. it's currently 03.30am but House Of The Dragon after all so not gonna complain
@@aegorbittersteel2154 brother Bittersteel!!!
@jeffcordova9633 good to see you my friend I hope you are well.
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Get the ale first ranger
Will you do a video on how a dragon can choose a rider and vice versa?
Maybe some one needs to tell Rhaena that it was the hightowers who she missed out on fighting and then to go a marry one🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Great video I do agree with this list some of these characters. Some of these Targaryen need proper closure. What about Daemon Blackfyre mother Daena the Defiant ?? I know they say she died about 171 or after but if she was alive during the Blackfyre rebellion she be about her early 50's.
For the watch !!!
For the lord commander !!
All my brothers who have taken the Black!!!
Brother Bittersteel!!!
I see you !!!
This is a fascinating video, about missing characters..
First ranger where's the ale???
@@lawrencereid2767 it is here mi’lord!!!
Some red From Dorne & some from
The Arbor!!!
Where’s brother Bittersteel!?
As much as I'd like to think Daemon survived even if Aemond didn't kill him, if you fall out of an airplane with no parachute into water you're basically hitting concrete. We can only survive up to 100 ft/s impact velocity on water, that's not very high to be honest. On top of that assuming you don't splatter on the surface like an egg on concrete, you have the wreckage of the plane to deal with. In this case, both riders were on the dragons so even if he jumped off he had to dodge two Dragon corpses from knocking him out and pinning him under water. As if that's not reason enough to believe he died, I believe the books say the water boiled from the heat of the dragons blood mixing in and so far we only see Daenarys is immune to fire damage.
Maybe the tragedy at summerhall kill some theirs.
Who made this map ? It’s beautiful.
Rhaenyra had some similarities with Saera
Daeron Targaryon's ( who lived in Old Town ) body was also never found after a battle. Some people even claimed to be Daeron.
his death was so uncerimonial... feels like Martin only wanted Daemon and maybe Adam Velaryon, to have a glorious death at the time
Haven’t watched yet. Can someone tell me if there’s future HOTD spoilers in this before I watch??
your safe till about 11 minutes in, there is a clear HOTD spoiler warning hence why i put anything HOTD related at the end
Bravo
On a similar subject I've always wondered if theres any info on the original 4 dragons the targaryen came over with, I've been wanting to of ow more about them
I'm actually working on sequel to this video about lost dragons, i will be talking about this, but given we have no record of any conflict, they must have died of old age, i really hope it's something that gets fleshed out one day.
@@WorldOfWesteros I'm currently of the opinion that balerion must have been a young dragon when they came over and the other 4 where elders, the 4 made 2 Breading pairs that made vhagar and meraxes and then balerion mated with both of them to produce all the dragons that are nealry 100 years old and quick silver
Aerea Targaryen not lost but my favorite. We are missing facts on what she has seen.
Vaegon helped the maesters bring the downfall of the dragons. They purposely left him out of the histories.
Hopefully Daemon got with Nettles and flew to east of Essos to Yiti and finally had fun away from the chaos of the Westerosi.
Maybe Dearon and the maester were in old town like John and the maester at the wall😊
Daemon is dead. If he survived he would've both for the throne. Or at the minimum get some dragon eggs.
Thats the thing for me that makes me think he died, if he lived there is no way he just goes into hiding with the power vacuum we have after the dance.
I should also mention that we have no idea as to the fates of any of Aegon the Conqueror's ancestors, and there is least one Targaryen female who married out of House Targaryen (Gaemon and Daenys's second daughter, who married a petty lord whose descendant was a claimant at the Council of 101 AC). But agreed, a separate series of videos is needed for all of the dragonseeds as well as the descendants of female Targaryens who married out of the family.
Last scene of HoTD s03 gonna be Daemon in essos with his hair shaved, hiding under a hood in Essos on his way to living the good life /s
I think we will get at least one answer in the show when after the Battle Above the Gods Eye Daemon emerges from the lake
I believe based on his shaved head, where he was from, and that he was sought out for sacrifice, that Vasrys the Spider is a descendant of King Jaheryus's exiled daughter.
I am wondering if Vegone & Rhaegar were autistic because of how bookish and antisocial they were
Didn’t WoIaF say that Egg gathered all the remaining Targaryens with him at Summerhall, and they died in the fire?
All remaining that they knew of. Likely he isn't gonna invite a bunch of Basterds or far off branching cousins
*SPOILERS*
It seems in this weeks episode that Hugh is a daughter of Saera from his own accounting.
I loved that!
That only causes more problems in the community as it doesn't explain how he was born on Dragonstone then some how for some reason was then raised by his mother in Lys?
@@jeambeam3173 We don’t know how old he was when she left Hugh. Hell, we don’t even know Hugh’s age. But she left the 7 kingdoms in 85-86ac for Lys and then in 99 she moved to Volantis. So she speaks pf her brothers SONS meaning it was after 81ac when Daemon was born that she left. So between 81 and 84 when her antics were discovered and she was sent to be a Septa in Old town seems reasonable. It makes Hugh around 50 which seems reasonable (it makes him around the age of Daemon & Cole who don’t look 50 either).
Also of note is that Saera was a large point of contention between Jaehaerys and Alysane with Alysane begging him to forgive her. Alysane was also a very active and involved Queen with her own power and authority. It isn’t unreasonable (although unsupported in the books) to think she lied to King Jae and created the cover of Saera in Lys while protecting her at Dragonstone. That lines up her departure to Volantis with Alysanne becoming sick and dying as the events are within a year of one another.
So since we know so little actual fact and the facts we do have are self admittedly to be of questionable reliability we can’t disprove anything.
I have a theory that Damon lived, flew over to essos and his dragon are the bones that Rakharo finds south of Vaes Tolorro in a clash of kings. Admittedly I am only ready got for the first time but I can’t find any information on who this dragon is. Clearly it must have been an old and powerful one since Rakharo can ride his horse through the skeletons mouth
Hans, are we the missing Targaryens?
What about Aemond and alys rivers son??
I cant believe what happened to Sunfyre. Really sad. RIP to my golden boy.
Also it is interesting to speculate who the dragonseeds are the children of. Who do y'all think Hugh's father was?
Sunfyre not dead got a lot more fight left in him 🫡
@@LeeGoinBrazy i know. They just keep saying he's dead. Really weird.
caught me off guard at first, but when i rewatched the scene i think Cole believes he will die but take a long time doing so, and the black are assuming if Aegon was that badly hurt, Sunfyre is dead. i think they may go down the road where they want to keep him surviving a secret to make the dragonstone plot twist hit harder
@@WorldOfWesteros I was wondering the same since I watched game of thrones and read Fire and Blood so I know what happens to him. I just thought it was weird. I guess it makes sense to say he's dead to make it a twist I suppose.
I think if we have to wait for GRRM to write book 2, then forget it. We will have to deal with the one book we do have. I've read there's a theory Daemon didn't die, but the children of the Forest pulled him out of the waters and made him the first 3 eyed Raven there on God's Eye. Any comment?
Welp, HOTD confirmed that, in their canon atleast, Saera stayed in Lys and mothered atleast one Bastard (Hugh Hammer)
Key phrase," in their canon".
You forgot Princess Daenerys, who married into the Martell's. And how is she related to the Dorian
Lol had totally forgotten that grrm hasn't published F&B part 2 yet
At this point I'd put good money on him never publishing anything else over his lifetime
i have a feeling Fire And Blood part 2 is mostly done but he know he can't publish it unless he somehow publishes winds first. I think he knows both fans and his publishers would not been happy. I mean fire and blood part 1 was only published to give his publisher something to put out and HBO spin off bait.
You forgot abt Aemond's son with Alys Rivers... what happened to him?
I assume all the missing ones alive during Aegon V’s time died during the tragedy at Summerhall
Not necessarily. Most lost Targaryans were likely casted out for one reason or another so why would they be where all the main Targaryans are
Is Saera’s son not Hugh Hammer?
do you guys think baby maegor and by extension daenora was murdered. not necessarily by egg but one of his courtiers
Saera Targaryen was a lil freak lol
I think Daemon died. Can you really see him not showing up when his sons were kings?
@WorldofWesteros I have a belief that Prince 🤴 Maegor Brightflame Targaryen might be the biological father of Ser Gerold Dayne. If it is true that 👑 Aegon V placed his infant nephew with his noble kin of House Dayne at Castle Starfall 🏯 in Dorne to preserve & protect him from the vipers and rats of the Royal Court and the capitol at large which so corrupted Daemon Blackfyre in his impressionable youth.
The theory is that Prince Maegor would be adopted into House Dayne entirely and never know his true identity or birth name and his upbringing would be no worse for it as he would have every comfort and confidence provide by his blood relations with his grandmother's House ~ The Lady Dyanna Dayne. If he had fathered the newborn Gerold Dayne in 270 - 274 AC the fully grown Maegor Brightflame Targaryen would only be on his late 30's or early 40's at the time of conception and of unquestioned vigor and vitality. What say you?!?
That streak of midnight black streak on the Silvery-White head of the Darkstar of hair could be a progressive trait he directly inherited from Maegor Brightflame Targaryen as per the illustration of Elio and Linda's official website ASOIAF Wikia.
Calling George R R Martin! Valar Morghulis, but before it happens, release the Winds of Winter now and reveal the answers to all our GOT questions.
Daemon Targaryen miss a chance to claim the Iron Throne? Are you high or something?
Longwaters, Female Line of Blackfyre. Jon Snow is not last of Targaryen.
Maegor is The Tatterd Prince.
Hm… So Archmaester Vaegon is the reason Rhaenys was screwed over by the Great Council? Rhaenys and Saerra really show just what an awful misogynistic man Jaehaerys really was.
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I think Rhaena is a lesbian/nonbinary and the show has connected her to the Lady Arryn of The Vale. There is clearly some form of connection and it’s the woman who empowers her while being leader of the reason she rumored to flee too. Makes sense to me.
I just liked the video at 666 I made it 667. Oh god
I think it matters because Dany would have kin out there.
Welp, HOTD confirmed that, in their canon atleast, Saera stayed in Lys and mothered atleast one Bastard (Hugh Hammer)
Even in Fire and Blood, we know she had a few bastard sons at least because they showed up at the Great Council if I’m not wrong to try and put forward a (laughable) claim.