Jim Cornette on Overrated & Underrated Managers
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Jimmy Hart in Memphis was pure heat.
He was the territory's biggest heel for a few years, no other manager can brag about being that important to a territory ever (Bobby was important to the AWA, but never the top heel at the very heart of the promotion).
Always loved Paul Bearer, whether it was the high pitched pale and creepy version managing Undertaker or the no makeup southern sounding evil version managing Kane lol
Gary Hart conducted himself like an actual manager, imo. 🤷♂️
Sometimes he was actually acting as both onscreen and offscreen managers for certain guys. He would negotiate with promoters on their behalf and even take care of their travel arrangements.
His promos were great. And the title "Playboy" made you shake your head even more, but it worked. Heat!
Some guys did both. Paul Ellering was the actual manager of the Road Warriors. Same with SOH and the Hollywood Blondes. Gary was the same with many of his guys. Actually, same with Cornette. He did the bookings for the Midnights.
Gary Hart was my favorite from the NWA days
If we are talking mangers besides Jim Cornette, first one that comes to mind will always be Precious Paul Ellering
IN terms of being overated?
Both Jim and Paul are not overrated.
Gary Hart,Bobby Heenan and Jim Cornette were my favorite Managers
Gary Hart?...I'm sorry WHAT??..Gary Hart was BAD ASS!
Ron Wright in Smoky Mountain with the Redd Foxx gimmick of being a crochety old man with the fake heart attack was hilarious. Gary Hart was a great manager because of his charisma and presence at ringside. James Mitchell should be managing guys like Bray Wyatt.
85futureshock of
I second James Mitchell managing Bray Wyatt.
Steve Vestel Bray Wyatt does not need a manager
Gary Hart, The most underrated manager
GOAT TOP TEN
We have to put JJ Dillon or Teddy Long in any conversations related to best manager.. For as underrated Sheri Martel and Gary Hart tops the list
I always thought JJ was one of the best in the Mic. Period.
Definitely Sherri.
Garry Hart is so underrated. People forget he was a good wrestler too.
To me and those I've been around, it will always be a tie of four, Bobby Heenan, Jim Cornette, Jimmy Hart & Gary Hart.
All were BEYOND EPIC!!!
Gary Hart and JJ Dillon were awesome, as was Oliver Humperdink
Skandor Akbar.
Best managers past and present will always be Jim Cornette, JJ Dillon and Precious Paul Ellering
What about Dandy Jack Crawford and Gentleman Saul Weingeroff?
Brian pissing on Gary Hart, but praising Slick must be an April fools joke
Arnold Skaaland. What did he ever do seriously? Walk to the ring with Bruno and Backlund. Wasn't even their mouthpiece. Waste of time even introducing him before a match
Skaaland, was a manager because he was a friend of the McMahon family, so he needed something to do.
skaaland was the equivalent to a potted plant as a manager, just absolutely a charisma vacumn with no defining assets as a manager.
He owned shares.
The role of the face manager in the WWE was to occasionally get beat up by the heels or to do something like throw in the towel to end a match. The face manager was around to create situations where something bad would happen but it wouldn't happen to the wrestler. If he gets beat up, his guy takes revenge. If they want the wrestler to lose in a screwy way, they have the manager cause the loss.
Arnold Skaaland's other role in the 1970s was to collect the promotion's share of the money from the box office (in cash) at arenas and get it back "home". He was a combination money collector and money guard.
@Joshua Sharwood yes he did. I remember hearing that.
6:12 Brian confuses Father James Mitchell with a Twitter account lol
Col. Parker from WCW was underrated.
zackvanhalen yes!
zackvanhalen he would be more remembered if he hadn’t lead Harlem Heat out in chains with leashes
He was a goof
"Classie" Freddie Blassie was a great heel manager.
Jimmy Hart is consistently underrated. He worked his ASS off. No one took bigger and more painful bumps than him, including Heenan. He'd dress in drag and anything else needed for an angle.
@MemphoWrasslin1 Yeah, nothing he did with the Hart Foundation, Honky Tonk Man, Nasty Boys, Hulk Hogan, etc. was at all memorable. Ok.
@@jasonbink5276 They never drew the ratings that his work in Memphis did.
Go look at the brains work in the away and wwa then get back to us 🤡
I've got two words for you: Paul Ellering. He was a real manager, he didn't just play one on tv.
Absolutely I agree
Never understood this argument... Who cares what he did OFF screen?
What about Skandar Akbar?
I agree
Same
I was a huge fan of Akbar,watched him wrestle in Tri-States then watched him become a heat magnet as a manager . Spoke to him on a few occasions and he was a very friendly guy
Paul bearer is one underrated manager, that dont get enough credit for what he did. He is one of my favorite managers. He was very entertaining and he could cut promos.
Percy pringle sucked gtfo newb
Paul Bearer was critical in getting the undertaker over in the very early 90’s. Paul was scarier and more creepy than the Undertaker when they first started off.
I don't think he was that underrated, though.
Bearer is among the top rated Managers...
Sensational Sherrie,The Brain,Jim Cornette,Jimmy Hart. My MT Rushmore
Grew up watching Big Time Wrestling out of Detroit and Eddie Creatchman was great as the manager of The Sheik. Always got heat because he interfered constantly during The Sheik's matches.
I remember Dr. Ken Ramey. He had two pretty good sized runs in the SF Bay Area for Roy Shires. First in the early 70's managing a Canadian wrestler Paul DeMarco. Then returned around '72 with the Masked Interns (I think they were the Masked Medics when they worked the east coast). Then a short run in '78 with Playboy Buddy Rose. He wore a cheesy tuxedo with a ruffled shirt and a clip-on bow tie and had kind of a "down-home" Southern drawl. He could generate some pretty good heat against the likes of Ray Stevens, Pat Patterson and Rocky Johnson. There is a little bit of video of him. Type in "San Francisco Wrestling" in the search and some of it will come up. He actually had an amateur wrestling background as a young man.
Sir Oliver Humperdink got alot of heat back in Florida.
Slicks character had perfect timing. And one hell of a talker
Sir Oliver Humperdinck had a good run in the mid-80s,--I grew up in the Mid South area, and there was a time when he gave General Skandar Akbar (who I also liked) a run for his money. I liked "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert better as a manager than as a wrestler, because to me, he was a better talker--a comedian--almost on par with Cornette and Jimmy Hart. They should have made Gilbert a manager permanently, instead of a half and half, because his wrestling skills weren't all that great, in my opinion.
Humperdinck managed the original Hollywood Blonds (Dale Roberts & Jerry Brown) in the territories back in the day. The man brought instant heat back then.
GREAT CALL on Sir Oliver Humperdink.
Great Mafisto is criminally underrated
The name "Daryl Van Horne" is from The Witches of Eastwick. The novel at least, I don't know if they changed it for the movie.
Jimmy Hart in Memphis was a Heat seeking missile. His shrill voice mannerisms vocal skills Incredible.
There is something what i don't understand...! Mortis was a WCW character who has almost always been disliked by fellow wrestlers...! I don't get it because i think Mortis with James Vandenberg was fucking great...!!! Way better than Glacier or Wrath...! His mask (Leatherface) and his whole entrance (including the great theme) was awesome....!!! I think Mortis (Chris Kanyon) should have been pushed a lot more...!!!
They disliked the gimmick because we were 12 when we liked it. It was a flat-out attempt to cash in on Mortal Kombat popularity, as was Glacier, so other wrestlers considered it an insult.
My top 5 greatest managers are Jim Cornette, Gary Hart, Paul Bearer, Bobby Hennan,and Jimmy Hart
Only thing I remember about Skaaland was when Backlund confronted him after his heel turn and accused Skaaland of abandoning him and Skaaland said, "Sorry if you felt that way ... put her there!" and stuck out his hand. Like ... that's it? I didn't blame Backlund one bit for attacking afterwards.
Golden Boy Arnold Skaaland MR. EXCITEMENT !! zzzzzzzz
MOST UNDER RATED: "CLASSY" FREDDY BLASSIE He's never mentioned in any Great Manager lists i've seen!
MOST OVER RATED: J.J.DILLON I'm sure behind the camera he was a good idea man and talent scout but as the on screen manager for Tully Blanchard and later for the Four Horsemen...let's just say I didn't get it, and I missed BABY DOLL and wished they had developed her persona more!
Agree on JJ Dillion being overrated. He added NOTHING to the Horsemen. All 4 guys could talk, and there were 4 of them to cheat and gang up on other wrestlers so they didn't need JJ to cut promos and interfere in matches.
Pulsar Stargrave Lou Albano Grand Wizard either
What about Teddy Long as an underrated manager?
Isn't he in the Hall of Fame?
Harley Race was an underrated manager.
Other good Pro Wrestling mangers: Teddy Long, Ron Fuller, Robert Fuller, Harley Race, Sheri Martel, Baby Doll, Bill Alfonso, Dutch Mantel, Kevin Sullivan, Madusa Miceli, Miss Elizabeth, Sunny, Missy Hyatt, Woman, Diamond Dallas Page, and Slick.
DDP was pretty effective as manager for Ba-ba-badd Company in the AWA, true.
Skandor Akbar was good how bout Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert he gets overlooked
I loved Heel manager Paul Jones .. Paul Jones Army was the best
I remembet when the raging bull turned Heel and joined Paul Jones
Remember when Bill Dundee was Managing Steven Regal as "Sir William"?
Valet
This will sound strange, but Paul Jones was so horrible that I considered him amazing. He was as wooden as a tree, and his spots always went nowhere. Prior to the Road Warriors and Powers of Pain feud, he spent years focused on Jimmy “The Boogie Woogie Man” Valiant. And not a single person understood the rivalry. He often did spots saying: “you’ve interfered with my plans for the last time”. Plans, what plans?!? Even his aforementioned thing with the Road Warriors was simply him saying: “Powers of Pain! Powers of Pain!” Again, he never really made a point. And the funniest thing was the way he pronounced The Barbarian as The Bah Barren
Captain Lou was the all time best. It's a shame he could never get that rubber band surgically removed from his face, though.
Bill Nolastname yeah, no mention of the Captain?!? Suspect, at best.
Bill Nolastname Top 3 maybe 2 still Heenan is 1
Most Overrated Manager:
Arnold Skaaland
Most Underrated Manager:
(TIE) Sinister Minister & The Jackal
Later day Memphis Wrestling had a young gentleman who would have done very well if he was in an earlier era...the pride of Germantown, Scott Bowden.
Wild Red Berry! Seriously, there are a million managers who played a very active role in the golden age, but nobody talks about them.
I think Wild Red Berry used to Manage Gorilla Monsoon at one point
One of my favorite managers was Skandor Akbar!
Captain Lou Albino.
*Albano
The Dude damn auto correct got me again!
Paddy O'Lantern
Lol.
best promo of albano was when he was manager of mr fuji and masa saito and he "speaks" japanese and it sounds like a jabbering maniac.
Heyman is pretty overrated. People seem to remember that Heyman was and is a manager and his big cell phone but not so much the guys he actually managed (early career). Cornette had the tennis racket, sure but you remembered the Midnight Express, which is what managers were supposed to do. Get their team over.
Pikkon89
More people remember him for being the guy behind ECW than they do him managing anyone sans Brock Lesnar.
You mean his big cordless home phone.
Pretty sure people remember Steve Austin and Rick Rude.
lamest thing about cornette was the tennis racket. People oversold it and its a weak weapon
TruthTella2 it was a loaded tennis racket jack ass
Bobby Heenan, Jim Cornette, Gary Hart, and Jimmy Hart. The Mount Rushmore of Wrestling Managers.
Sherry Martel, Jim Cornette, Paul Ellering, Grand Wizard, Lou Albano,
John Foley and KY Wakamatsu were fantastic in Stampede. We're havin a party, Mister Whalen...and you're NOT invited.
My first memories of watching wrestling go back to 1999 and from then until probably now I feel like there haven’t really been that many managers at all, and certainly not many good ones except Paul and Paul
no Blassie, Albano, or Grand Wizard? wow
My personal favorite top 5 managers
1) Bobby Heenan
2) Jim Cornette
3) Gary Hart
4) Paul Ellering
5) Father James Mitchell
I wish there were still a place for managers in wrestling.
I'd kill it with my peg leg and bicorn hat.
i am NO wrestling expert, to this day i still do not fully understand managers in wrestling. what i mean by that is are these guys just more characters that are part of the show or are these guys actually in real life the managers of these wrestlers?
I feel jim doesn't give paul bearer enough credit.
I actually really liked Gary Hart. He made such a perfect evil heel. And #1 Paul Jones was a great heel, too. He kinda had the Hitler/Mussolini gimmick going.
Jimmy Hart in Memphis was great! He was pretty much the top heel. Anyone he managed went straight to the top. I also remember WIMPBUSTERS!!!
Sir Oliver Humperdink and the House of Humperdink was an awesome group. I really think he was underrated. He was really great managing US Steele in Florida. Lord Alfred Hayes was good in the Carolinas. George " Crybaby " Cannon was great in managing Eric the Red. Cornette in my opinion was the best ever thou. Drawed heat like no other.
I ALWAYS thought The ''Hands Of Stone'' Ronnie Garvin was very underrated. I was told once that when Ronnie Garvin threw those fists that knocked people out that He was actually knocking them out.
Yeah, but he was never a manager lol 🤔
Bill Alfonso was a great heat machine. People literally wanted Fonzies blood during many stories with Taz/Sabu/RVD.
Bill Alfonso good call I loved it when blew his whistle during matches
JJ Dillon and Paul Jones (aside from Cornette) always got the most heat from me. That is until Paul Jones got the "bald headed geek" chants, and then I felt bad for him lol
When I first started watching, the Grand Wizard of Wrestling was the nexus of evil on earth.
Loooool
He was a lot better in Detroit as the Sheiks manager before he went to the East Coast.
I actually remember Mr. Fuji blasting Jim Cornette years ago to.
No mention yet of Lord Jonathan Boyd? That guy was a HUGE heat magnet.
Gary Hart & Paul Ellering were the top two of all-time.
JJ Dillon was GREAT
Paul Jones had ONE good moment as a manager. He was great in the angle between the Road Warriors and the Powers of Pain. Especially the bench press. Other than that, its difficult to say much about him as a manager because he managed alot of lesser talent and was stuck in that multi-year feud with Jimmy Valiant.
dandy jack was the best way back in the early 70s late 60s dont diss dandy
Not one mention of Paul Ellering,captain lou albano,freddie blassie. Sad!
Bobby Heenan was the best ever.
AGREE slick was very slickand not raten a lot..jimmy heart? How is he not rated? He was introduced as the top Manager to us 90s wwf boomers
Rock Hunter was good..he got much heat in GCW in the 70’s
Man I vividly remember when he used ether on Tony Atlas and knocked him out which allowed Ivan Koloff and Alexis Smirnoff to win the tag team belts. I was so upset when that happened.
Disappointed that they forgot Ron Wright. He was one of the best parts of smw in my opinion
The Grand Wizard 🏆
Yup,and Capt. Lou Albano. Wasn't really a fan of Fred Blassie.
"The Graham Wizard" was awesome. Like Jimmy Hart "The Graham Wizard" was the least physically imposing. Yet, "The Graham Wizard" had the bravado and heart to take on 250 pound plus Grapplers with no hesitation to ensure victory for Greg Valentine, Don "The Magnificent" Muraco.
What's a graham wizard
Paul Heyman. Although he's an advocate, not a manager.
thoughts on hunter q robinson the 3rd was watching some eastern championship wrestling and hes quite the character
Way back when I was a kid it, was Homer Odell and J.C. Dykes.
Sensational Sherri was the best manager ever
Jeff G. Bailey from NWA Wildside was incredibly underrated, he had some of the most violently descriptive promos that i've ever heard.
I think the Grand Wizard is far too neglected. There was a stretch in the 1970s when he was the epicenter of the Northeast heel scent, both in the WWF and Detroit.
Underrated. Bobby Davis. He invented the modern wrestling on-screen manager.
I still see it as Heenan, Cronettte, as 1 and 2. Greatest managers ever. The rest is a toss up. Was so random. But the top two, Bobby and Jimmy. The best ever.
Don't care what either says; Fuji was a very entertaining character.
Jim Cornett greatest of all time to me
No one ever mentions Capt Lou or the Grand Wizard...
Classy Fred Blassie awesome manager YOU PENCIL NECK GEEKS!!! Love that catch phase
That's Ayatollah Blassie to you. Have some respect Damn he was Khomeini's political advisor. Bali Bali!! Poor Jimmy Carter didn't have a chance...
also King Curtis!!!! PAPW TV and CenterRing316
I'm gonna have to give Jim the top spot, Heenan 2 and...I guess corny 3. Sure bobby and corny are legendary managers. But when Hillbilly Jim took the Godwinns to the top of the mountain. Well that's just on a whole new level.
I liked Gary Hart when he managed Abdullah the Butcher.
The "MOUTH OF THE SOUTH" JIMMY HART WAS GREAT
Yeah tbh jimmy really stood out n tbh was interesting af not just a hanger on dickhead but a multifaceted guy with a lot of different hats.
Jim, Heenan, Gary Hart, Ernie Roth, Bobby Davis, Wild Red Berry, Hump, JJ, Percy Pringle III (NOT Paul Bearer) and....Hmmmm..... Saul Weingerhoff. Not necessarily in that order (other than Jim and Bobby, who will always be snarling for that #1 spot).
I think George Canon was over-rated, and JR Foley in Stampede was under-rated (although he did himself no favours with his choice of moustache). My jury is still out WRT Don Carson, Eddie Creatchman, and Jimmy Hart (most in Hart's case because I've seen next to nothing of his Memphis work, but his WWF period did not impress me).
I would say my top 3 are Heenan, Bearer, and Jimmy Hart. Cornette is in the top 5 though
Woooow cant believe i saw sum1 put percy pringle over corny u gotta be a stroke survivor to have that intensely incorrect way of thinking god bless hope u get better
Bobby Heenan but Corny a close second .... Rock Hunter is a forgotten name ... Ken Ramey was a classic ... and Homer O'Dell and Sir Oliver Humperdink
Playboy Gary Hart was a bad ass! Great manager
James Mitchell.
Overrated or underrated?
super underrated
Severely underrated. A rare gem.
I liked mr fuji as a manager
JIm, Heenan, Ernie Roth, JJ, Hump, Gary Hart, Percy Pringle III (NOT Paul Bearer), Bobby Davis, Wild Red Berry, and......Saul Weingerhoff. Not necessarily in that order, other than Jim, Bobby and Ernie, who are all fighting it out for #1.
My jury's out about Don Carson, Eddie Creatchman and JImmy Hart (mostly because I've seen almost nothing of Jimmy's Memphis work), but George Canon I think was over-rated, and JR Foley in Stampede was under-rated (although he did himself no favours with his choice of moustache).
Bobby Davis, Freddie Blassie, Grand Witzrd.
At least in late 1997 and 1998, I don't remember Sonny Onoo doing a damn thing in WCW besides selfies. He wasn't a mouth piece for any of his wrestlers since none of them ever did enough to be in a real feud. Onoo was just kinda... there during the luchadore matches. Then with Yuji Nagata, who never feuded with anybody, so what the hell did he need a manager for?
I'd chalk that up to WCW's lackadaisical attitude regarding their international talent more than anything. On rewatching old WCW shows I found myself enjoying Sonny's presence on screen. I can't help wonder how memorable he'd be if he were saddled with someone that WCW had an interest in promoting.