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Stood the rest of time unlike our waves licenses. I now refuse to use waves now with this subscription model.
This just released a statement that perpetual licensing is back.
@@kevinfeidt2624 thats fine, but I can already see where this will be going. Besides they are far from the only game in town and truth be told iZotope has some of the best mastering now and Fab Filter is incredible.
Fair enough!
I still use the L1 in every mix. It's the end of the chain on my backing vocals busses, bass and sub busses. It just works.
The benefit of sharing the load across two limiters is that you can get the best of both!
White Sea Studio sends his regards for remembering his favorite song in this video
This is fantastic content. We all love a good shootout. Thanks for making this- very very welcome entertainment for engineers
Glad you enjoyed it! My pleasure!
Also ironic considering the current climate with waves
Yeah; I shot this video last week before the whole shit-show with Waves... I was gutted with that whole debacle; however I felt like I still stand by my comments I made in this video so I pulled the pin and published;
I never really liked Pro-L2 exactly because it sucked lows and sounded 'grey' if you know what I mean.. It focuses the sound on the high mids usually. I love L1 on vocals and guitars for smoothing out the peaks, but on master bus Weiss MM1, Flatline or Ozone 9/10 Maximizer are always winning with the right settings, at least for my ears and taste. However with the new Waves subscription model I guess I need to find the right alternative for my L1, RBass and RComp.
Melda mturbo Comp has a L1 style limiter (other than like 12 other compressors) go melda for all the plugins you listed, you won't go back After you try them
W1 Limiter 🆓 for L1
FabFilter Saturn for RBass
Yeap; I'm a big Maximizer fan!
The MM1 is pretty amazing, just always sounds better than other limiters to me when I put it head to head with anything.
@@psybursonic usually it's the case but sometimes I like Ozone Maximizer or clipping with Flatline better for certain genres. However I'm not a big fan of clipping in Ozone 10 - sounds wrong to me and not transparent at all
I’ve been a big advocate for Pro-L2 ever since I’ve bought it a few years ago but I recently tried using Ozone’s Maximizer for an EP I was mastering and it sounded way cleaner on the kicks and bass. I tried tweaking the Pro-L2 and basically never got it perfectly clean. I ended up using the Maximizer (2 or 3dB of GR on the peaks) to get the bulk of the level and the Pro-L2 in True Peak on transparent mode (0.5 of GR) to get the last 5%. Client was really happy with the results ! Winning combo.
I’ll experiment a bit more with that chain but it felt amazing in my ears.
I still like the character of L1 for EDM and for mixing very dynamic vocals or transient heavy claps. It gives everything a really warm tone by softening the attacks.
I wonder what this sounded like before the TH-cam gain reduction got a hold of it?
Thank you for all your wonderful content... watching this video made me wonder what your thoughts are on ozone's vintage limiter...is it any good and what type of material would you use it on?
My favourite limiter is the maximiser! I haven't spent much time with the vintage limiter; however i think it's my exploring!
Another feature of FabFilter plugins that most people don't know about is they support surround formats. Up to 9.1.6 Dolby Atmos!
Try the sonible Smart Limit. It's AI powered with extended controls. It outperforms the Pro L2 in all the genres I tested. Lovely saturation and bass tightening knobs.
Nice ! I might do so!
To be honest I use Ozone Maximizer for it's IRC algorithms more often than not; but I wanted to compare something more "traditional" in a sense against it;
@@panorama_mastering If you're going to open this up to more "modern" limiters, IMO the Newfangled Elevate is hugely underrated. I've never loved what the IRC algos have done to my high end, especially v4. Elevate gives me a lot more control at the limiting stage to control tone if the track isn't reacting well to limiting.
@@jamespingel8730 Definitely; there'll be more on the topic of limiters and algorithms; here's a dive on the IRC patent; which uncovers a little more of what it's doing; and opens up more guided use cases for where it shines;
th-cam.com/video/Iyy6299yWkA/w-d-xo.html
For this test, I hear better low end preservation on the L1 and it sounds smoother overall. Pro-L2 eats up the low end and sounds a little harsh. My favorite is Ozone Maximizer if I really wanna go loud and retain punch and low end.
Same; my favourite is the Ozone maximizer too!
The good old days where not many people could afford to own any Waves plugins.
-6 LUFS sounds always very edgy / punchy. TDR limiter 6 GE for more control
It feels like Christmas morning seeing a new video from you!
I'm so glad! Happy Holidays!
@@panorama_mastering haha thanks!!
That was a good test, but I wonder how much closer they would sound to each other if you did this on a higher sample rate, cause I was pretty sure that I heard a lot of highend hiss on that waves plugin and that's usually the aliasing from all those noisy edm hats and snares
Thanks for watching and intersting point!; I turned off oversampling on the Pro-L2 for this very reason; so I think it's good we're able to hear how those distortions introduced folded back.
@@panorama_mastering oh i didn't notice that. hm.. but that would mean that pro-L2 should have introduced the same amount of hiss. maybe my mind was playing tricks on me or youtube compression just made it less clear
@@Beatsbasteln probably cognitive bias as that's how our brains work.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist yep. i suppose we'd need a blindtest to get around that
I still use my L2-Ultramaximizer sometimes, but probably because the name makes it sound important. I mainly use the Bx Masterdesk. It's got just a little more flexibility, and I usually like what I end up with. I'd probably use the Waves one more often if I could 'dial-it-in' a little better.
Fruity Limiter for life
Could you reveal to us why the keyboard is inside a plastic bag?
Because fingers are gross as fuck
I have a feeling he dropped his coffee on the keyboard one too many times.
Running gag; ever since I finished high-school I always keep all my tech products in their original plastic; it just so happens that this keyboard has only ever left this original packaging ONCE in the past 7 years!
Dat thumbnail
Classic Word Art!
Can’t buy waves plugins individually. You gotta subscribe to get their plugins now if you didn’t have them before this new crazy thing with them
Nahh check out their most recent announcement; they double-backed on this just this morning :)
Stop calling Electronic music "EDM"....it's NOT the same thing! :P
Electronic Dance Music? EDM... I'm not too deep on the semantics here; care to share more on this ?
Sounds very edmish to me
@@panorama_mastering sure it does stand for electronic dance music but it was definitely dilluted from its origin when it came over the pond to America and being called that. What's pushed as edm vs the other respective genres of electronic such as techno, house, drum and bass isn't reffered to as edm by people in those circles.
@@panorama_mastering EDM evolved to be specifically the Sub genre of 128bpm 2010's Calvin Harris, Swedish House Mafia etc. commerical Pop Top 40 type of dance music. It was once a broad umbrella for dance music until the US major label machine started churning out EDM tracks for Ne-Yo, Rhianna, Pitbull etc. now it specifically means this thing, not house music as it is a derogatory term in underground circles.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist Bingo... Thank you!
Instead of wasting the viewer’s time on their subjective auditory sensations, it would be better to take measurement plugins and conduct a real analysis. You don’t know how much distortion Pro L2 gives??? It's a pity...((((
All that matters in the end is viewer’s subjective take on the music. Nobody cares about what the distortion graph of a limiter plugin looks like when they’re listening to the song on Spotify with their Apple AirPods.