Mastering - Why You Should Never Use Multi-Band Maximizer (Read pinned comment or I delete yours)
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- Mastering. Don't Use Multiband Maximizer Limiter. Mastering Tip Based on a Real Project. Very Useful for Master Bus Limiter and Loudness Understanding. We'll Check Waves L2 and L3. To Attend a free trial class of this Audio Production Course send email to: andrewzeleno@gmail.com
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To attend a free trial Class send email to andrewzeleno@gmail.com My Credits: www.andrewzelenocredits.com If you don't agree about this actual video: No. Priority doesn't even out the frequency response. Don't say bullshit in comments. Multiband limiter will always change the balance randomly. And don't say like it may be useful. Limiter has huge ratio. If you want to affect on the energy of ranges use MultibandCompressor where you can set up ratio, attack, knee. Limiter sucks for this task. And manipulation with frequencies is not the purpose of limiter. For this you have much more from dynamic EQ or Mid-Side EQ or Multiband compressor. In mastering you don't use a limiter to change things because it gives random frequency balance in different moments. Also, have you ever worked as a mastering engineer? Where let's say some Chris Lord-Alge already mixed the song and recording producer approved the frequency balance? If you now will start messing around with that balance nobody will work with you again as with a mastering engineer. The second thing: if you are a home working producer making your own music, to change frequency balance and control dynamics you have an access to your mixing project. If something wrong with your vocal -> fix the vocal. That's it. You don't need to mess around on your master bus with Multi-Band Limiter. So don't use Multi-Band Limiter. Period.
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indeed, using a multi-band limiter on a mix always sounds terrible in my experience. however, i do like to use the Waves multi-band limiter on certain sounds, especially synthesized bass.
for instance, using one on a grouped bass sound, like a huge Drum & Bass bass, with massive subs, heavily distorted mids, and klanky highs. The multi-band limiter is great for pushing those sounds even further and making them even more ridiculous!
But yeah... never on a mix!!!
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Very clear and persuasive explanation of the problems caused by multi-band limiting on the master bus.
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Your explanation of the process and what you lose/gain is wonderful!
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Great video Andrew, this really helps reinforce what you're teaching on the course.
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Excellent explanation for those that are not educated on this subject. Good work
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Im not a music engineer but what you're saying makes a sense, thanks for the knowledge
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Great information on the video. I use multiband limiting all the time and because of the reason you are saying in the video I tend to use the gain function and the priority function within the plug-ins to allow myself not to have those problems !
The problem is you can't stabilize it with Priority perfectly anyway plus it takes much more time to set up. No point to do it while you have better one band limiters with better quality and no time spent on its setup.
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This was a great explanation, makes a lot of sense. When do you think it's appropriate to use a multi-band limiter? Obviously this will vary mix to mix, but generally, does it make more sense to use this sort of processing on a buss for instruments or vocals? Or are MB-limiters used more as a rescue measure for poorly mixed material that can't be changed?
Hi. The answer is in the first comment which is pinned.
This video is so good! I was using multiband bcs I thought it did the same but better, didn't realise how it manipulated frequencies depending on the input.
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For this reason the most recognized mastering engineers do not use Multiband. Except in extreme cases where something has to be repaired.
That's correct. But make sure you mean a limiter. Multiband Compressor is for fixing. Limiter is not.
It's crazy how much you can learn by learning what not to do!
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Interesting point, regarding the reverb (sense of distance due to darkening and brightening of the signal).
How about multiband clipping then?
Clipping doesn't make a lot of sense in multiband. But Clipping is a different story. It shouldn't suppress the level hence almost no effect on frequency balance. But we know other nuances of clipping.
OMG. You are totally correct. Again after reading your first pinned comment it makes it even clearer. Everybody who has some stupid thoughts just read the first pinned comment with some extra clarification on the subject.
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Eye opening thinking in reference to the bit about multi band compression akin to 'putting a chaos equalizer on top the master mix as a whole'.. I think that's probably why separating these bandwidths for compression in the Michael Brauer tradition where he's got separate compression busses for lows, mids, highs, and ambiance (adding imaging plugin on after ambiance compression); achieve that dancing compression balance 'in the mix' - like as opposed to producing a photorealistic painting, then going jackson pollock at the end (but with frequencies in our case).. doesn't make much sense you're right...
The only workaround I might think of is to mix into the multiband limiter from scratch, but then it seems that other automations would be needed to then compensate bc you're still not compressing the whole track as you said.. and adding an L-2 after a L-3 lol... no way!
It's a high CPU count, but maybe multi-band compressors could be used on a few individual tracks before reverbs and other auxes? Great Content Andrew! Love your work!
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Great tutorial Andrew, thank you. Just have one quick question, during mastering I always use 2 L2s (so one is not working too hard causing some distortion ect), but have a question regarding using limiters during mixing. I`ve noticed that few people use L2 limiters on separate tracks during mixing mostly on snare, guitar solos and adlibs and some backing vocal adlibs. What is your opinion about using limiters during mixing and when do you think you can use limiters best during mixing. Thank you very much for your answer. Lucas
Honestly it would take a book to type my answer here. I teach this stuff on the course exactly in the way to have a reason to use a limiter. From what I see how you say it it looks like you care about what other people do instead of listening and finding reasons to have it on some track in a project. Of course you need a lot of vision to see this reason. And if you even know the reason it can spoil some other instruments in the mix. So It's not that easy. Anyway consider that a limiter compresses which changes the form of sound. It can be simply for tone reason. It can be to control exceeding peaks which force a master bus compressor or maximizer to compress more on their side. It can be to polish transients. And so on and so on. But it can be harmful as well. You can loose clarity of a punch sometimes. So it's better using more soft clipper than a limiter. I'd better stop :) It will take forever to explain it.
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Loved it sir :) Is there any video of yours about Mastering a track to professional standard? Couldn't find it :(
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Thank you Andrew! My mix got MUCH BETTER after removing the Multiband & just using the L2! It's a HUGE DIFFERENCE just like you said!
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Very happy to read this since that was my only limiter. Just bought a couple months back. But I only used it on one track master and then got ozone 8 elements the other day and liked the maximizer better as this problem was why just didnt know till now. But I do like making a send with L3 for just my sub and controlling/adjusting the amount it limits the sub frequencies from the 100-300 frequencies. Same for my mid bass- having a send to control the low mid from hi mid limiting. Then that is sent to master ozone. As it’s my music so planning this was experimenting but came out very nice.
I hope you understand that you use high ratio limiter in L3. You'd better go with a multiband compressor where you can control soft knee, ratio, attack. Which you can't in L3.
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As always a good video thank you !
But what do you think about Limitless plugin ? (which is a multiband limiter) For me it's really a game changer in limiting, you can make it fit any track, so much control on settings
Would setting the priority on waves multiband solve problem you created by not using priority on waves multiband compressors?
No. It doesn't fix it. It will do the opposite thing. When there is no kick it will affect in the other way. Still not flat.
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Hi! Great explanation but is it also applicable for multiband compression? It uses similar principles (compresses only specific ranges for whole mix) but a lot of mixing engineers use it on master buses.
If you read the title of this video it says "Read the pinned comment first". And if you read it you will find the answer. MB compression is a totally different thing.
Holy shit I actually understood this clearly! I wanted to disagree with you since I use the L3 in a lot of masters but you proved how it makes the freq bands unbalanced. Is the Fab Filter Pro L2 a good Limiter?
Thanks for pointing this out so well!
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does limiters change coloration?
Great video! I'm just here because I wanted to check some "professional engineer"... So I sent him my favorite pro tune (as a reference track) and my mixdown. Finally I received my track damaged by multiband maximizer as I suppose. That received master was one quieter and later louder and lost selectivity of sounds in the song. Basically all my time to make good sounding mix was lost for some unprofessional guy...
I made my own master using ONLY a little eq and softclipper. It sounding great, loud, without any hearable distortion. So at the end - the most important is to make good sounding mixdown. If the mix is made well then mastering should be easy.
Multiband compression sucks. Cheers for video! You have a sub! 😎
I heard about your situation from 70% of my students actually.
What level do you level all of your sounds and how do you adjust your settings for mastering like on your softclipper? Sorry I'm a beginner at this trying to learn
I think the multi-band limiters are a bad result of the loudness war, thank you for your tips.
You can't win in two wars: in a nuclear war and the loudness war.
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I assume it would be the same theory for multiband compression for mastering? Or is it only because limiting is so harsh?
Multiband compression can be pretty useful. We are talking here about limiting where fixing things is not a part of its goals. And fixing things is not a area where a mb limiter is the strongest.
Great vid as always Andrew, thanks and keep them coming!. Can someone detail a situation where this kind of limiting would be useful? I ask out of curiosity, and a desire not to feel like an ass anymore because I bought this damn thing 2 days ago :D
Read the first pinned comment to this video
So is this also saying I shouldn't use C4 on the master bus neither?
What are your thoughts on using multiband automatic EQ adjusters such as Gullfoss and Voxengo's Taute which seek to maintain a steady frequency profile across the full spectrum?
It would be a very long answer. I can make a video on it which will last for two hours. Also, steady frequency profile maintenance is not the only goal of these plugins.
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I wanted to say something against your advice but after I watch your video completely, I realize that I was stupid haha.
Thanks for sharing this, very helpful!
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Thanks so much for this I've been thinking the same thing as far as mixing and mastering the last thing you want is some eqing situation...introduced at the last minute..... why would you go through doing just the right amount of warm and compression, just to introduce a new EQ at the end of the master bus the throw everything off, I've been saying the same thing!
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Andrew, interesting video. I have Studio One v 4Pro which has a "multiband compressor". It seems to do similar things to what you describe here. However, there must be a positive reason why Presonus included it. eg. If you have too much bass kick for example, and you put some non-multi band compression on the mix then compressor's reaction to the kick will push down everything -- even pushing down the high frequencies! But with multi-band I leave the mids & highs untouched. Surely that's a benefit?
Did you read the first pinned comment to this video? Read it. I'm not talking about multiband compressoer here.