This is always the hardest part for me......it lasts FOREVER & drives me mentally insane cuz there's not even a minute of relief. This is what makes you to want to crawl out of your skin, toss & turn, & literally want to scream! You want to live in & out of the shower, but your so weak it's hard to do! And any sort of sleep meds intensifies this feeling by a million too, so glad u mentioned this! This is the hardest battle for many of us, yet no one ever talks about it, THANK YOU FOR THIS 💖 Doctors always refer to it as anxiety, but to me this is far worse than anxiety!
Yes, I agree. It is different from anxiety and sometimes I even have difficulty figuring out what's causing what. But restless legs is a real beast. Thanks
Sophia MacFarlane it’s such a relief hearing others talk about this “syndrome” I got off the pain killers but the RLS made it impossible for me to function!!! The initial withdrawal was the easy part compared to the no sleeping and RLS!!!
Sophia MacFarlane RLS is the worst by far. I didn't sleep because of it for almost 6 months. I tried sleeping in the bath tub with warm water. That helped but still couldn't sleep.
Before I was on soboxon every time I began feeling WD it was always the restless leg syndrome except it was restless whole body syndrome . It is by far the reason I couldn’t stop taking narcotics. The way I had to squeeze every muscle continuously , laying on my bed, couch or cold kitchen floor looking like I was humping the air, 😆, but seriously, I can take all other WD symptom .
El Chapo I’m so sorry this is happening . Are you unable to or not want to use suboxone ? Or trying to do this cold turkey? That’s hard AF . Heat never helped me but a cold wet towel helped , I think because the nerve endings are “waking up” and the cold helps calm that down, Wish you all the best❤️
I’m on day 3 no sub was taking a half a pill a day for about 3 years now first 2 days I would get hot and the sweats had a little upset stomach went to the bathroom was fine,day 3 I can’t sleep because my legs are so restless i took a clonidine it didn’t help so I took another I hope it helps but I am not going back to this drug this is so bad I’ve been trying to sleep for literally 5 hours ! Day 3 is by far the worst day so far, I just wanna keep my eyes on God he will get me through this ! God Bless yall
Over the counter at Walmart it’s called leg cramps PM by hylands. I took 10 per night for my first few nights of sub withdrawals and I couldn’t believe it really worked. After my 4th night I started tapering down and by night 10 I didn’t have anymore RLS. You can take up to 15 tablets per night per the instructions. I was shocked that something over the counter and only $10 would do the trick. The daytime restful legs by the same company didn’t work for me the first time I jumped off. Make sure you get the PM and don’t be afraid to take plenty of them each night. Read the directions. 👍 you can do this!
im 7.5 months off 5 sublocade shots, have had terrible RLS every night 7pm-2am, no more than 4 hours sleep since then. The RLS started at 3.5 month mark from last shot. Hoping it stops soon. At least I can work.
Two drugs used in UK since 1990’s.Lofexidine for general withdrawal mitigation,but it’s not well known in US,and I believe expensive..a two week taper is around 1500 dollars,unless you’re insured? You can’t avoid some discomfort,but Lofexidine can make a massive difference. Second is a dopamine agonist,basically a dopamine boost,called Pramipexole.I’m unsure about prescribing issues in US,but this can be prescribed during early stages of detoxification and again definitely helps.Take both of these alongside large doses of Magnesium and vitamin C…best wishes to anyone trying for change and freedom😊
I’m on day 28 and still have RLS and everyday it gets worse and worse , I don’t know for how many days I’m going to suffer but I know this that I’m not going to give up and for those that are reading this try to live your life without any drug’s involved don’t listen to people that saying it’s only for few days that your gonna suffer and your RLS leg will be over , I’m in day 28 and still suffering brother I’m so tired I literally wanna cry everyday because of the pain on my legs it’s driving me insane Some nights I lose my shit and I go out and walk for hours till it gets bright out and start walking towards home. I hope everyone gets through this miserable pain that is feel like endless.
Restless legs are the only part about withdrawal I can't stand. I keep relapsing because of it. Everytime I relapse I say "Why did you just do that when you know a few days from now you'll be in the same position?" But I keep making the same mistake
Thank you for your videos. I’m on day 9 of no Suboxone and it hasn’t been easy. I have pretty much no energy and the restless leg and body has been brutal. I’m just ready to be done with substances and really live life so I’m staying strong as I can. You’re videos have definitely been super helpful though.
@@OperatorTrickshot I’m now on day 21 and it is getting better and better everyday! The first two weeks were really bad but it’s been getting better since. I’ve been taking a bunch of vitamins and Supplements and eating as much as I can and keeping busy and it’s really just depression, anxiety and fatigue with some minor physical symptoms at this point. I’ve been blessed to be able to sleep okay so it’s been no where near as bad as it can be. With the restlessness I’ve been taking magnesium and well I still get it at times it’s not terrible. I’m finally feeling like I can do this and I hope you can too!
@@lindseymarie9596 on ray 9 also and man is still so hard for me. It's like I get rls in my arms and hands so bad but mainly at night. Was hopping most of the symptoms would be gone. Still feeling like I'm covered in icy hot. F that poison!
Haha that kid is gonna make TH-cam videos in a few years. I really like the way you talked about Kratom. You admitted you dont have much experience with it and didn't say anything bad or good. 👍🏽 I respect that.
It's BAD !!! Trust me, I am watching my husband withdrawal from this devil herbal DRUG Kratom right now.... all the same symptoms as opiate withdrawal...STAY AWAY from it!
@@elena19044 it is great but should only be used for a few days. What happened to your husband happened to me as well. It's similar to Suboxone withdrawal but sweats are worse and the restless legs is worse too. It's harsh if you become addicted to it. You withdrawal from it even when you take it. It backfires on you after a while. It doesn't work after a while. More is worse as well with it. Should only be used at a low dose for a few days. Then into the garbage.
@@andyc9979 - yep, he went right back to it the minute he stepped out of the house and continued to steal and continued to lie constantly...we are now divorced... as far as I know, as of November of 2019, he was still using it... (he is an ex heroin addict) so he gets addicted quite easily to something. I have no idea what his condition is now, but knowing what I know of him... .he is most likely still using it. I fear that when (and as you said it WILL) it stops working is that he will resort to his old drug habits. I warned him of this constantly....I can only pray for him.... I have had no contact with him since then end of last year. He also NEVER used a low does of anything... he once went through 200 ibuprofen within a couple of weeks! He is unable to be honest with himself, so he will continue down the same roads. I hope you are free from this devil drug.
@@elena19044 WTF 200 ibuprofen in a week. But why. His liver has to be shot. Geez I truly see why you said you got a divorce. Plus the stealing and lying. After a while I was so tired of it and actually didn't want to be high that I become open and told people about my use and that I want to stop. I never had an issue. Then in 2010 when I was 23 my died dad at age 48. Happened so fast and I turned to painkillers. No one knew because I was still big and working out. Wasn't the skinny little frail person people think of. Ironically I hate being high. I like feeling sharp and in control. Became physical. Off tangent but yes kratom is great to help for a few days but then it has to be stopped. By the sound of it your ex was never planning on stopping it. Not to be weird but by the look of your pic, he is dumb. He had a dime piece of a wife who cared and that wasn't enough. But sometimes nothing is. For him something will have to happen to him or maybe a switch will go off and he will get help. Hope so. Hate seeing someone crumble like that all because of a pill or an herb. It's crazy when you think of it like that. I haven't used it in a year. Took a month to withdrawal from and a few months to feel okay. I used to train a lot and during the process I lost muscle and was skinnier. No motivation. Slowly came back tho.
I dont know if youll read this but I dont know if i can take whats happening to me, ive been too restless to want to be alive through this. I feel like i may have a heart attack, i really need help. I cant do this alone.
One thing that I did brought me enough relief to get a bit of sleep was wrapping myself in cold wet towels from the waist down. It actually helped calm the extreme uncomfortable feeling of my nerves being on overdrive after being numbed so long. I am still weaning down my soboxone , getting closer to having to go through some WD and it’s scaring me a bit. 5 yrs on soboxone is long enough but I don’t care if I go well into yr 6 weaning down to the least amount of WD as possible.
Dr. Acula A wet towel? I did that on my chest and back as well. Anywhere I had that feeling. Withdrawal is the worst physical pain I’ve ever experienced and I’ve given birth to three babies .
I've experienced RLS one time so badly I learned why where the term "Kicking The Habit" came from. Kratom (which is now illegal) does have a low binding affinity and can slightly ease severe withdrawls from experience in my out of control times. Definitely go see your Dr!
I'm on day 3 as well, no way in hell I'm going back. I'm sick AF right now, every symptom you can imagine, but I don't care, I'll make it thru this misery, I have 7 more days to go until I can get the vivitrol shot. That's what I'm going to do, I will make it 7 more days, I will get the vivitrol shot. I have to..
Man im on day 11 of being off subs. But I started taking opiates 10 or 11 years ago switched to subs off the street 5 years ago and I have winged my self down. Everything is good but sleep and rls. Melton keeps me up so does trazdone. Hot baths help some but not sleeping well and working is making me go crazy at night.
I'm on my 4th micro dose .5mg evry hour making the jump from perc so far so good no pds thanks to u and all the comments I read while waiting 46 hours to make for sure I didn't get the pds
I use for ionic magnesium for my normal RLS.... I don't know if it will work for the restless legs that come from withdrawal from drugs. It also helps me sleep through out the night without waking and tossing and turning.
I properly abused suboxone for over 16 years - crushing and snorting it. I quit about three months ago on 25 February and the first 10 days saw the withdrawals come and go. The week following that consisted of tiredness and a general kind of lack of energy but it has been great since then. RLS peaked about five days and gradually got better over the following 5…do it - grind out those 10 days or so. Good luck
How is it clonidine is given to children with sleep issues. My son is 5 and I’m considering asking his paediatrician to prescribe him this for his constant waking up at night. He has a chromosome deletion disorder. Considering the side effects such as withdrawal, suicidal issues and stuff, isn’t that a concern for children?
You are a great person for this. I only used opiates for six months and got on methadone at a clinic, that now was four years ago, this is soooo much worse. I wish I never did this. Have you ever heard of a rapid detox method to where they put you under general anesthesia then induce precipitated s to get you free from withdrawls within 3 days? I just heard about this method but they wanted $17,000. What do you think about this?
Dont use Kratom, You will get addicted to it just like subz. And to me the withdrawals where worse with kratom then Subs. Im on day 11 of cold turkey from subs and feel fine mostly. I take welbutrin and Ozempic and Nurotin as it is, So I haven't felt to bad so far. I got on subs to get off kratom cause i was not only buying kratom I was buying research chemicals (Basicly hydrocodone) and mixing them. It got really bad and really scary near the end. And when I got on Subs with withdraws from kratom kept me in bed for weeks seeing and hearing things (I talked to my dead cousin, and I seen my dead cat) And finally I was able to get off of that crap. Theres a anti-depressant kinda effect with kratom that mixed with some of my other drugs that made it super super hard to quit.
Hey boss I'm into day 10 of methadone wd I was at 33mg tapered down I FORTUNATELY was only on it for 4 months before I realized what I was doing to myself... my question is simple and dont expect an easy answer but roughly how long do you think my rls will continue?
Hi... in Europe I got Lyrica for my withdrawals prescribed by my doc... He told me to take 150 mg a day, but it s not that helpfully, I’ve been sleeping well for 3 days and now I’m awaking 1 or 2 am every night with strong RLS. It seems hard to sneak out that Lyrica, do you think I could change the medication to clonidin? But I also get valsartan and bisoprolol for my blood pressure, can I take that with clonidin ? I went from 16 mg Subutex to 0 , that’s 14 days ago now... used it for 20 years
Dr. Chris Park Day 16 I got something at home to check my blood pressure, do you have experience with Lyrica for Opioid withdrawal? I take 75 mg before I go to sleep and 75 at night, I startet that maybe 4 days ago, first night I was sleeping well, but next day I couldn’t sleep well already, I’m waking midnight or 1am, and then I got very strong RLS, stronger as I had without Lyrica... Or isn’t it enough with 75 mg at night? Should I try to take 150 before sleep? Or should I stop to take them? I’ll ask an doctor about Clondine today. Last three days were the very worst until now, I fear to fall back Thanks for your support
Dr. Chris Park I m tryin to set Lyrica on 0 today, I already had problems with gabapentin a few years ago, I thought maybe it would be better with Lyrica, but it’s more worse then the Subutex withdrawal alone as this medication makes me can’t sleep... I just took them 3 or 4 day now, you think it’s possible to let them be? I appreciate for your quick answer, that is gold worth. In Europe aren’t as much cases about opioid withdrawals... 🙏 thanks for your work...
In my past I’ve had very heavy habits with strong prescription opiates like oxy, opana, hydromorphone etc and illicit narcotics like heroin (though I’ve only ever snorted it and never injected) and I’m very familiar what full on cold turkey WD feels like. I eventually consolidated my addiction into only taking kratom and eventually was taking about a kilo a week of kratom, and was taking kratom exclusively for about a year and a half, and wanted to get off but by then I had WD, while different, were very intense. Insomnia and restless leg are very intense with a heavy kratom addiction. Finally I went on suboxone, 8mg 3x a day and tapered down to 4mg 2x a day. I accidentally lost my script a few months ago and had to go a week without having any before I was able to refill. While I did have WDs, they were much more mild than any other time I’ve experienced them. The major symptoms were the RLS and insomnia though but this wensday I am finally stopping the suboxone for good. I have a prescription for gabapentin which has always in the past helped with RLS
The subox takes forever to leave your system, it's why your WDs after losing your scrip weren't bad or non-existant. Had you gone another week without, you'd have been unable to function. And when sub WDs do finally start, they last for MONTHS
Ive been on clonidine for 14 years for my blood pressure at .6mg a day a large dosage and im stuck with it.If I try to stop my blood pressure sky rockets and my chest pounds,it just causes another problem if you take it too long.
Restless leg syndrome sounds real cute, but for those who get it bad it is the worst experience ever, period. It was the only withdrawal symptom that scared me. To the point where beating addiction actually boiled down to beating restless leg. It took me years to find it but Kratom and clonidine is the magic bullet.
I don't smoke pot but on the second day I decided to smoke I'm telling you pot helped me a ton my whole body just relaxed and was able to curb the depression and find joy
42 days off suboxone now and I'm still dealing with rls. Although it's presenting a bit different now. As I drift off to sleep, one leg will start jumping, from the top of my thigh all the way through my foot.
Use Kratom responsibly and it most certainly helps w RLS. I have found Kratom to be a great tool for opiate withdrawal, alleviating most of the WD symptoms. Kratom has potential for abuse but it doesn't have to be that way. If kratom is used correctly for 3-4 weeks there will be little problem. Kratom has been a lifesaver for me. Thank you for your vids and all your information, Doc.
Absolutely incredible. 4 days off a 12 year Suboxone run and I'm not sick. Red Maengda strain. Just amazing. I'm dosing about 5 grams in the morning and another 5 grams at night. The dosages of Suboxone these Doctors put people on is criminal. I found that out when I tapered down to about 2 mg over one month. I was on 20 mg a day when 8 mg...or even 4 mg would have worked. I was a heavy hitter and know this. Thank God for this wonder leaf.
So quick question. Do you face the Suboxone withdrawals after stopping Kratom? I never had a pill problem, but my ex wife did prior to us meeting and was on Subs. I would take one of hers here or there, and 8 years later you know where this is going. A few years ago I decided to jump off 8mg subs. Being I was never addicted to pain pills, and was on subs so long just trying not to WD, I got someone’s script of hydro 5’s and would just take one in the morning so I could function at work and take one at night to get some sleep. I did that for 2 weeks then stopped. And OMG! The withdrawals were horrible, and I literally crawled back into my doctors office puking, and twitching from muscle spasms and begged him to write a script. So that’s what I’m worried with trying Kratom is if I would just be masking the withdrawals and have to face them down the road when I got off Kratom?
@@mcafee3604 No... once the Suboxone is out of your system that's it. The Kratom has an alkaloid in it that binds to the same receptors in the brain that Suboxone does but it's not narcotic. A week ago I had never even heard of Kratom so this is what I've been able to research. I've also talked to a few people that have used it to get through withdrawal. EVERY ONE OF THEM said it was a God send. The bad thing about Suboxone is it has a really long half life. Much like methadone. I withdrew from a monster methadone habit prior to going on Suboxone 12 years ago. It was the worst withdrawal I've ever had and I've had my share...trust me. I was terrified to have to do it again.....especially being 12 years older. I did get sick once on the Suboxone when my script ran out after I relocated to Tennessee. I was only without it 4 days and it kicked in like a monster. I'm 7 days now without Suboxone and the Kratom has been a life saver. I'm not 100% but it's a cakewalk compared to what it would have been. I wish you luck and please let me know how you make out. I feel for anyone with this terrible demon of addiction.
Ricky Pisano thank you so much!! It definitely Isn’t fun!! I’ve never withdrew from anything, but Suboxone a few times when I tried to quit. But I’m tired of feeling like I’m living in a fog. It’s like I’m watching my life unfold from a spectators stance. Lol, and the final straw was it stole my motivation. I used to be highly drivin, and owned businesses and it made me where I don’t even want to leave the house and my drive is non existent. I’ve also always been a salesman type personality and I don’t even want to talk to people anymore. So I said screw it and started tapering myself down. I’m at 1mg, down from 8mg but I’ve literally been up 3 days with maybe 2 hours sleep total, when I just nod out. But it’s like the muscle craps and spasms know when I drift off, because they promptly wake me up! Lol. It’s been 6 days of this crap, and I’m just ready to be done. I don’t want to go back up a mg because all that pain would have been for nothing, and when I stabilize on a mg and going 0.5 the very next day. I’m just looking for something To help me through this last leg, 8mg to 2mg was a breeze, but 2mg and down has been hell!
@@mcafee3604 You'll get through it Patrick. Insomnia is going to happen. It will pass. I promise. Look at the long term picture and stay motivated. Being a slave to anything is the worst. I was a Suboxone slave for 12 years. Wasted most of my life. I plan to LIVE the rest of it.
my first jump attempt was a disaster. I took .2 MG of Clonidine, and took 1.5 MG of Requip. My body still felt like someone was pumping electricity in to my system. I think i'm in trouble. Down to .35 MG per day. last jump was at .5 per day. Looks like i'm just going to have to just deal with it.
Damn Robert. That sucks. I will find out again myself. To have worked down that low and still withdrawal like that is just discouraging. I remember clonidine. Helps a little. Made me not remember anything
@@andyc9979 Yes they say if you ween down ..its all bull crap because no matter what dose you are at..you are going to feel the same exact withdrawal symptoms..like I tried quitting numerous times but this time I am going to do it!! NO MORE SUBS!!! DEVIL MEDS!!!
Wayno Walden hey brother I’m on 23 and the legs is my main problem I have found compression socks and multi vitamin is helping but hey don’t give up you got this I’ll be praying for u
Wayno Walden for sure man if you ever need encouragement just let me know I know I’ll never go back and face them hard first weeks again already feel so liberated and free and sober I’ll get over this rls and insomnia soon enough and you will too I’ll continue to pray for u another thing is helping me is to go on walks wich me and my son are doing right this minute
@@allenshares5504 heads up dude , day 23 ( thereabouts )and the my legs have stopped. Still feeling like garbage but I can see the finish like brother . Strength vibes out to ya
I'm currently 21 and I've been an addict since 16. My mother is prescribed the blue oxy 30's and OP 40's. I used to give my friend money and say "Hey can you buy this from her and bring it to me. She is currently 59 and she has been on pain pills for almost 15 years now for arthritis and many many other problems. She found out in no time that I was taking them and when she did she was PISSED I tell you but she told me these exact words "As a mother I can't stand seeing you go through withdrawals and I'd do anything to help you" and she started giving me one OP 40 a day. I'm not blaming her for what I have done to myself. My mother is the most amazing woman I have ever known and I will never ever find anyone as kind as her. She has helped me EVERY DAY for the past four years and the only thing I have done in return is treat her like garbage. At the beginning of every month she gets her proscription of 30 oxy 30s and 60 OP 40s and within one week she runs out and goes sick herself for the next 2 weeks until she gets them again and if I think the withdrawals are bad from 5 years of addiction then imagine how bad it is for someone who's been on them for 15 years. When she runs out I yell and curse at her because she doesn't have any left and blame her for running out when it's my fault. Since she's the greatest mother alive then that means she deserves the greatest son but instead she got me. She never gave up on me but I keep doing it. I love you mom and I hope one day you can forgive me.
The worst part for me is the restless leg part at night not being able to sleep. And no doctor in my community will ever prescribe me this. Its like were suppose to be stuck on suboxone forever
On day 9 of cold turkey off 2mg from an 18 year relationship with suboxone. Been so much harder than I anticipated. Still getting some symptoms such as RLS but in my arms n hands as well as feeling hot and cold. The lack of sleep may have alot to do with it as ionly sleep maybe 20 min a night. Also my stomach has been in knots the past 3 days or so. So ready to be done with this poison but it feels as if it'll last forever. Trying to stay positive but it's hard.
On day 5 here after 14 years on subs. The lack of sleep seems to get worse but one thing I found is that during the day is the best opportunity to sleep. I have the same sensations in my arms as well. Good luck to you we can do this!
A heating pad will help as well!! Keeping your legs warm, even if you’re sweating, will help! Don’t go the route of smoking grass because that will simply start another demon!! A healthy diet and protein and veggies is critical!!! Neurontin (gabapentin) does help!!! Be careful talking to a “doctor” about tapering your meds because I actually had a chronic disease specialist tell me I shouldn’t do that and that I should start taking the recommended dose again! If I had, I would have gone from the 8 mg I was taking back to 24 mg!! Could have killed me!! Oh, by the way, suboxone or buprenorphine will crumble your teeth because it’s HIGHLY acidic!! You at least need some type of rinse like oxyfresh or something like it that resets the ph in your mouth if you’re still taking it. I’m having to get another tooth pulled this coming Tuesday and am looking at having to get 4 tooth implants largely due to this drug!!! If you don’t get off of this crap, you won’t have any teeth!!!!! I’m NOT joking!!! Implants are expensive, and depending on where you live can cost upwards of $2-3k for the implant and another $1,200-3,000 for the crown!! Possible over $5k for each tooth!! Not to mention you have to endure bone grafts and waiting over 3 months for the bone graft to heal, then another 6 months for the implant to heal!!! This crap is just horrible and another “ball and chain” that drags you down and controls your life!! It messes with your hormones, and kills your sex drive!!! There’s so much more to this than you know or are told about it!! Trust me, doctors don’t know SQUAT about it, and pharmacists know barely more!!! Learn about it...and hand in there!! I’m going through the same thing!!! It’s been almost 48 hours since I’ve taken any, and I know I barely have 1/3 of it out of my system!! I’ll be in my bed, with a heating pad, and walking my dog for exercise in between!! Pray for me, and I will certainly pray for all those wanting help coming off of it!!
suboxone clinics do not want you to get off subs..They want the money flowing!!trust me..Most of these clinics will not help me...a regular doctor at urgent care are now helping me..Whatever I ask her for the withdrawals..she gives me..WHY COULDNT THE CLINIC DO THIS FOR ME??? Its such a shame that suboxone clinics do not tell you the truth ..they think they are helping people but they are not..This drug suboxone is MORE ADDICTIVE than Lorcets or any other pain killers..They should ALL be in JAIL!!!! sorry i didnt mean to go off but I have been through a nightmare for literally 10 years and no..my cLinic just kept telling me that it will be ok and kept prescribing me more meds...They do not want to help me for rls and anyhting other than subs or methadone..such a shame that there are doctors out there like this..and Im in Louisiana so I already know its corrupt..big time!!
Idk what’s wrong with me but clonodine only made me worste. I would Get such bad RLS in my feet and hands from clonodine I would be convulsing. And then I was so sleepy but couldn’t sleep....
Try methadone withdrawal. Heroin is a picnic compared to it. I kicked heroin in jail a couple times and it definitely wasn't fun but was over fairly fast.... the physical part anyway. Methadone was the worst withdrawal I've ever experienced in my 40 years of addiction and I was a dumpster. Did pretty much all the narcotics. Had a quack doctor I was always an expert at finding, prescribe me 80mgs of methadone a day for back pain. I thought my ship had finally come in. No more hustling. I would manage it. I couldn't have been more wrong. The 80mgs a day went to 100mgs in a week. Then 120mgs, then 140mgs, etc. I was getting the 40mg wafers and at the end I was breaking 10 of them in half at a time. 400mgs a pop. Out of my mind. I've never nodded like that in my life. Mid-sentence I'd go out. Just gone man. So, that script would be gone in days and back to the street and hustling. Only now my habit was off the charts. I couldn't cop enough dope or pills to get high, just barely enough to not be sick, until script day rolled around again. Then back to about 100mg a day and the cycle repeated. I went to an appointment on script day a little over a year later and the doctor was GONE. The DEA pulled his license and there was a female P.A. there instead. She called me in and told me she couldn't find anything in my file to explain the prescription I'd been getting. No X-rays, absolutely nothing. She was totally hip to what was going on. She told me she would write me ONE MORE script. That was it. Then she mentioned Suboxone to me. She told me It was a new drug for addicts that would stop the withdrawal but not get you high. At all. It was the first time I'd ever heard of it. She asked me if I wanted another appointment to try it. She told me to make sure I was in withdrawal when I came for that one. I told her that wouldn't be a problem. I showed up to that appointment sick as ever. The Suboxone was little red pills then. She brought me in and handed me two of them and told me to let them dissolve under my tongue. I did and 15 minutes later I experienced one of the most profound moments of my life. I didn't get high at all, but the withdrawal was GONE and so was the craving. Just disappearred. After almost 30 years of addiction it was unbelievable. That's when the 10 year Suboxone merry-go-round started. Two and a half of the 8mg/2mg. So 20/5mg Buprenorphine/Naloxone. 10 years every day. I was never told to wean and in my opinion that dose was way too high. That finally ended with a fight with my new doctor after moving. Constantly charging me more, hassling me. I'd just had enough. I had about 15 pills saved and broke them to wean but it was way too fast. That's when I first heard of Kratom. It was unbelievable that I'd never even HEARD of it. Read above. It worked for me. It was a miracle in my life.
Hey I was wondering if I go to kratom or short acting oxy will I detox faster ? I’m 2 months without suboxne or anything and I feel horrible still. I know I can handle couple weeks of WD but this is too long . Will I still have to go thru sub wd if I relapse to oxy or start kratom ? Please any info helps thanks
Jeffrey Welbourne Probably better for actual leg cramps than restless legs. But if it works for you that’s great! I had a friend doing the keto diet and he’d drink pickle juice like crazy due to low electrolytes and some serious leg cramps
Coming off the fentanyl the M30s I’ll tell you what. These wd will cut you down literally takes the man out of me. Just kicking all night like a little girl throwing a tantrum
@@coreyfinch6512 That’s a very high dose to jump off at. Gonna be bad for 10 Days and then probably 50% better every 10 days after. But everybody is different. Stay hydrated. Eat healthy. Good luck and keep me updated. And always talk to your doctor
The fucking worst man. BRUTAL is exactly right. Red Maengda Kratom saved me. Just incredible. From 20 mg a day... for 12 years...down to about 1 mg in less than a month and I was getting sick... BAD......I had never even heard of Kratom but I was desperate. I bought some and IT WORKED like a miracle. Im telling you bro...unbelievable... and I know what I'm talking about. Been around the block too many times. I'm done with this rat race.
Yea, wtf, my arms just as bad as legs, its been by far the worse symptom for me. Jumped off at 0.5 mg after 1 year at 2mg to 3mg a day. Weaned from 2mg to .5mg over 3 months, day 5 and not as bad as i thought, just rls and arms at night. No damn sleep. No other bad wd symptoms. Nights been hell.
@@johnarruda2765 John congrats. If that's all you have then you will be okay soon. Seriously tho. That used to be my only symptoms in the beginning of my opioid use. Just rsl and no sleep for a few days. Withdrawal is bad for me now. But I'm weaning down myself and am hoping weaning will lessen it all when it comes to that point. How can't it? Same say it helps some say it dont Matter. Hearing that eats at me. Hope that's not true. Then why am I wasting my time weaning. Idk anymore lol
@@andyc9979 thanks bro. Yesss it all seems over now, funny was gradually getting better but it sure didnt feel that way. Keep going bro, now that i can look back a bit ( paws are no fun) it was mostly in my head, the restless arms n legs were def real but the everyday anticipation n anxiety created in own mind made it 100 times worse. It dont seem so bad now . Idk good luck bro. I def think weaning works better jumping at 0.5 mg of subs versus 300mg oxy that was digesting dailly for years would been wayyyy way worse in my opinion. It can be done. Feel free again. Rarely crosses mind anymore. Hang in there n best of luck.
Magnesium!!! In a highly absorbable form. CALM powder sold online and health shops. Or chelated magnesium sold at Walmarts. It relaxes muscles as well as your mind. We are all deficient in magnesium anyway. Can be given to anyone, old or young.
I’ve been taking it for years, even before withdrawal. So good for restless legs or tight muscles of any kind. Please do yourself a favor and try it. $5 up to Walmarts is worth it.
Why withdraw from sub at all? I simply do not get it, particularly since maintenance doses can be very low. Geez, some people just crave agony. Western medicine is s pharmacopia--just find a good med and stay with it and move on with your life
Because a recovery center put me on it 10 yrs ago to leave a pain program 4mg 3 times a day now I have a new problem that's why. Stop judging people on here it's the last thing we need. God Bless 🙏 ✝ 🕊 👑
I was experiencing RLS at about 12 years old. I’m now 60 and it’s BRUTAL. In my legs, arms and torso on occasion. I’ve had numerous back and neck injuries, surgeries and fractures. After being placed on MOUT it stopped RLS cold as well as the constant pain. Nuerontin and Baclofen are part of that. I was at 4800mg of Nuerontin per day. After being placed on the Fentanyl patch I was able to taper to 400mg per day. After several years on the patch and MSContin I took myself by switching to Suboxone. I was told it would work for chronic pain as well. It did not do much for pain but worked perfectly for RLS. So now I go several months on Suboxone; when I cannot stand the pain anymore I’ll do a few months on MSContin and Dilaudid. Of all the meds I used Suboxone was the best for RLS. The Requip and Mirapex caused my symptoms to worsen over 3 weeks. Was given Oxycodone and it also caused augmentation. RLS is absolutely horrible. I was a major airline pilot but the constant fatigue and battling to find the right meds for it cost me my medical certification and ultimately my career. I swear if I was tied to a board with my RLS in full tilt boogie I would beg for a bullet to the head… Thank you for this video.
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Doc, you may not have 1M subscribers but PLEASE know you are making a HUGE difference for those that you are helping and educating!!!!
patrick mcafee Thanks! That means a lot 🤙
@@dr.chrispark this really helped me man thanks
This is always the hardest part for me......it lasts FOREVER & drives me mentally insane cuz there's not even a minute of relief. This is what makes you to want to crawl out of your skin, toss & turn, & literally want to scream! You want to live in & out of the shower, but your so weak it's hard to do!
And any sort of sleep meds intensifies this feeling by a million too, so glad u mentioned this!
This is the hardest battle for many of us, yet no one ever talks about it, THANK YOU FOR THIS 💖 Doctors always refer to it as anxiety, but to me this is far worse than anxiety!
Yes, I agree. It is different from anxiety and sometimes I even have difficulty figuring out what's causing what. But restless legs is a real beast. Thanks
Sophia MacFarlane it’s such a relief hearing others talk about this “syndrome”
I got off the pain killers but the RLS made it impossible for me to function!!! The initial withdrawal was the easy part compared to the no sleeping and RLS!!!
Anxiety causes symptoms! I must remember this when I jump off subs forever next week. I’m tapering and then making my final leap. F this
Sophia MacFarlane I'm with ya all the way on this... its bad I now... very bad... but just be strong and pray - I do and it helps.
Sophia MacFarlane RLS is the worst by far. I didn't sleep because of it for almost 6 months. I tried sleeping in the bath tub with warm water. That helped but still couldn't sleep.
Thank you so much for giving your time to help people like us in a world that places such a stigma on addiction.
Nope No way Thanks for the good vibes✌🏽
Tonic water with quinine.... look it up this shit is gold. Coming from a long time tried everything twice opiate addict
Restless legs and not being able to sleep for a week were the worse!
Before I was on soboxon every time I began feeling WD it was always the restless leg syndrome except it was restless whole body syndrome . It is by far the reason I couldn’t stop taking narcotics. The way I had to squeeze every muscle continuously , laying on my bed, couch or cold kitchen floor looking like I was humping the air, 😆, but seriously, I can take all other WD symptom .
El Chapo
I’m so sorry this is happening .
Are you unable to or not want to use suboxone ?
Or trying to do this cold turkey? That’s hard AF . Heat never helped me but a cold wet towel helped , I think because the nerve endings are “waking up” and the cold helps calm that down,
Wish you all the best❤️
It's the WORST Part... by FAR!!
Omg me too sister restless body sucks THE worst
Nope No way that’s so funny I get that also the restless whole body especially my arms.
michael j. My Back is worst for me too!!!!
I’m on day 3 no sub was taking a half a pill a day for about 3 years now first 2 days I would get hot and the sweats had a little upset stomach went to the bathroom was fine,day 3 I can’t sleep because my legs are so restless i took a clonidine it didn’t help so I took another I hope it helps but I am not going back to this drug this is so bad I’ve been trying to sleep for literally 5 hours ! Day 3 is by far the worst day so far, I just wanna keep my eyes on God he will get me through this ! God Bless yall
Thank you so much for taking your time to help people in pain and battling addiction- God bless you and your family
Over the counter at Walmart it’s called leg cramps PM by hylands. I took 10 per night for my first few nights of sub withdrawals and I couldn’t believe it really worked. After my 4th night I started tapering down and by night 10 I didn’t have anymore RLS. You can take up to 15 tablets per night per the instructions. I was shocked that something over the counter and only $10 would do the trick. The daytime restful legs by the same company didn’t work for me the first time I jumped off. Make sure you get the PM and don’t be afraid to take plenty of them each night. Read the directions. 👍 you can do this!
Thanks for the suggestion and congrats on how far you've come! keep putting out those videos!
Didn't work at all for me.
Just picked them up last night. Yes... they DO WORK.
badass1g thanks man
im 7.5 months off 5 sublocade shots, have had terrible RLS every night 7pm-2am, no more than 4 hours sleep since then. The RLS started at 3.5 month mark from last shot. Hoping it stops soon. At least I can work.
This part is the hardest part - the not sleeping and RSL syndrome as a mom of 3 I need to sleep for the day ahead! Thank you for the advise
Two drugs used in UK since 1990’s.Lofexidine for general withdrawal mitigation,but it’s not well known in US,and I believe expensive..a two week taper is around 1500 dollars,unless you’re insured? You can’t avoid some discomfort,but Lofexidine can make a massive difference. Second is a dopamine agonist,basically a dopamine boost,called Pramipexole.I’m unsure about prescribing issues in US,but this can be prescribed during early stages of detoxification and again definitely helps.Take both of these alongside large doses of Magnesium and vitamin C…best wishes to anyone trying for change and freedom😊
I’m on day 28 and still have RLS and everyday it gets worse and worse , I don’t know for how many days I’m going to suffer but I know this that I’m not going to give up and for those that are reading this try to live your life without any drug’s involved don’t listen to people that saying it’s only for few days that your gonna suffer and your RLS leg will be over , I’m in day 28 and still suffering brother I’m so tired I literally wanna cry everyday because of the pain on my legs it’s driving me insane
Some nights I lose my shit and I go out and walk for hours till it gets bright out and start walking towards home.
I hope everyone gets through this miserable pain that is feel like endless.
Talk to your doctor. There are medications that can help with RLS 👍
Yup day 3 and that is the part that makes you think I just need to take my pill but I don’t want to get stuck again
My first 3 weren't that bad it was day 6 that got bad with me.
I’m past the rls I think but the sneezing is driving me insane. Sneeze the moment my eyes open and then 80x till I go to bed
Restless legs are the only part about withdrawal I can't stand. I keep relapsing because of it. Everytime I relapse I say "Why did you just do that when you know a few days from now you'll be in the same position?" But I keep making the same mistake
Kakashi Hatake me 2
How you been?
@@OffSuboxonePainFree unfortunately no change im still addicted and sadly its probably gonna be this way my whole life
Facts
Melatonin made my RLS worse for SURE
Yeah. I found that any sleeping pill makes it worse. I had not only restless legs, but I had restless arms as well.
Thank you for your videos. I’m on day 9 of no Suboxone and it hasn’t been easy. I have pretty much no energy and the restless leg and body has been brutal. I’m just ready to be done with substances and really live life so I’m staying strong as I can. You’re videos have definitely been super helpful though.
How are you doing Lindsey? Any tips on RLS? I'm about to face sub withdrawal after many failures.
@@OperatorTrickshot I’m now on day 21 and it is getting better and better everyday! The first two weeks were really bad but it’s been getting better since. I’ve been taking a bunch of vitamins and Supplements and eating as much as I can and keeping busy and it’s really just depression, anxiety and fatigue with some minor physical symptoms at this point. I’ve been blessed to be able to sleep okay so it’s been no where near as bad as it can be. With the restlessness I’ve been taking magnesium and well I still get it at times it’s not terrible. I’m finally feeling like I can do this and I hope you can too!
@@lindseymarie9596 on ray 9 also and man is still so hard for me. It's like I get rls in my arms and hands so bad but mainly at night. Was hopping most of the symptoms would be gone. Still feeling like I'm covered in icy hot. F that poison!
Haha that kid is gonna make TH-cam videos in a few years. I really like the way you talked about Kratom. You admitted you dont have much experience with it and didn't say anything bad or good. 👍🏽 I respect that.
Hahahaha. He's a character that's for sure :)
It's BAD !!! Trust me, I am watching my husband withdrawal from this devil herbal DRUG Kratom right now.... all the same symptoms as opiate withdrawal...STAY AWAY from it!
@@elena19044 it is great but should only be used for a few days. What happened to your husband happened to me as well. It's similar to Suboxone withdrawal but sweats are worse and the restless legs is worse too. It's harsh if you become addicted to it. You withdrawal from it even when you take it. It backfires on you after a while. It doesn't work after a while. More is worse as well with it. Should only be used at a low dose for a few days. Then into the garbage.
@@andyc9979 - yep, he went right back to it the minute he stepped out of the house and continued to steal and continued to lie constantly...we are now divorced... as far as I know, as of November of 2019, he was still using it... (he is an ex heroin addict) so he gets addicted quite easily to something. I have no idea what his condition is now, but knowing what I know of him... .he is most likely still using it. I fear that when (and as you said it WILL) it stops working is that he will resort to his old drug habits. I warned him of this constantly....I can only pray for him.... I have had no contact with him since then end of last year. He also NEVER used a low does of anything... he once went through 200 ibuprofen within a couple of weeks! He is unable to be honest with himself, so he will continue down the same roads. I hope you are free from this devil drug.
@@elena19044 WTF 200 ibuprofen in a week. But why. His liver has to be shot. Geez I truly see why you said you got a divorce. Plus the stealing and lying. After a while I was so tired of it and actually didn't want to be high that I become open and told people about my use and that I want to stop. I never had an issue. Then in 2010 when I was 23 my died dad at age 48. Happened so fast and I turned to painkillers. No one knew because I was still big and working out. Wasn't the skinny little frail person people think of. Ironically I hate being high. I like feeling sharp and in control. Became physical. Off tangent but yes kratom is great to help for a few days but then it has to be stopped. By the sound of it your ex was never planning on stopping it. Not to be weird but by the look of your pic, he is dumb. He had a dime piece of a wife who cared and that wasn't enough. But sometimes nothing is. For him something will have to happen to him or maybe a switch will go off and he will get help. Hope so. Hate seeing someone crumble like that all because of a pill or an herb. It's crazy when you think of it like that. I haven't used it in a year. Took a month to withdrawal from and a few months to feel okay. I used to train a lot and during the process I lost muscle and was skinnier. No motivation. Slowly came back tho.
OMG IT'S THE WORST!!!!
I appreciate your videos. ❤️
Thanks 🤙🏼
I dont know if youll read this but I dont know if i can take whats happening to me, ive been too restless to want to be alive through this. I feel like i may have a heart attack, i really need help. I cant do this alone.
@@Kei40oz Go talk to your doctor right away! There is help
God Almighty restles legs I didn't even know that was a thing. But yeah I am so happy I'm not withdrawing anymore.
One thing that I did brought me enough relief to get a bit of sleep was wrapping myself in cold wet towels from the waist down. It actually helped calm the extreme uncomfortable feeling of my nerves being on overdrive after being numbed so long. I am still weaning down my soboxone , getting closer to having to go through some WD and it’s scaring me a bit. 5 yrs on soboxone is long enough but I don’t care if I go well into yr 6 weaning down to the least amount of WD as possible.
Dr. Acula
A wet towel? I did that on my chest and back as well. Anywhere I had that feeling.
Withdrawal is the worst physical pain I’ve ever experienced and I’ve given birth to three babies .
If you can do that you arnt suffering much at all.
Im off of it and i dont know what to do. My legs wont stop.
I've experienced RLS one time so badly I learned why where the term "Kicking The Habit" came from. Kratom (which is now illegal) does have a low binding affinity and can slightly ease severe withdrawls from experience in my out of control times. Definitely go see your Dr!
Of course it's illegal..bastards
It's legal here Louisiana
Not illegal in Tennessee
I didn't sleep for 3 days am going crazy but i don't wanna go back to it ....
Did you go back?
I'm on day 3 as well, no way in hell I'm going back. I'm sick AF right now, every symptom you can imagine, but I don't care, I'll make it thru this misery, I have 7 more days to go until I can get the vivitrol shot. That's what I'm going to do, I will make it 7 more days, I will get the vivitrol shot. I have to..
Man im on day 11 of being off subs. But I started taking opiates 10 or 11 years ago switched to subs off the street 5 years ago and I have winged my self down. Everything is good but sleep and rls. Melton keeps me up so does trazdone. Hot baths help some but not sleeping well and working is making me go crazy at night.
Try tonic water with quinine. Look it up...
Do you tell your patients how bad the withdrawal is when they come to you for the first time? Just wondering..
My doctor definitely didnt
I'm on my 4th micro dose .5mg evry hour making the jump from perc so far so good no pds thanks to u and all the comments I read while waiting 46 hours to make for sure I didn't get the pds
Dude doctors need to BE HONEST about after Suboxone taper. How you still have withdrawals. I have body restlessness at this point.
How long did you taper and how if don’t mind me asking?
I use for ionic magnesium for my normal RLS.... I don't know if it will work for the restless legs that come from withdrawal from drugs. It also helps me sleep through out the night without waking and tossing and turning.
How long does it last
I properly abused suboxone for over 16 years - crushing and snorting it. I quit about three months ago on 25 February and the first 10 days saw the withdrawals come and go. The week following that consisted of tiredness and a general kind of lack of energy but it has been great since then. RLS peaked about five days and gradually got better over the following 5…do it - grind out those 10 days or so. Good luck
How is it clonidine is given to children with sleep issues. My son is 5 and I’m considering asking his paediatrician to prescribe him this for his constant waking up at night. He has a chromosome deletion disorder. Considering the side effects such as withdrawal, suicidal issues and stuff, isn’t that a concern for children?
There is no withdrawal from clonidine. Clonidine is used to HELP the withdrawl off opiates.
Aside from melatonin do you know of any other effective otc sleep aides or supplements? Thank you
For some folks ZMA could be helpful. CBD oil as well. Talk to your doc before starting new meds/supplements though.
You are a great person for this. I only used opiates for six months and got on methadone at a clinic, that now was four years ago, this is soooo much worse. I wish I never did this. Have you ever heard of a rapid detox method to where they put you under general anesthesia then induce precipitated s to get you free from withdrawls within 3 days? I just heard about this method but they wanted $17,000. What do you think about this?
Dont use Kratom, You will get addicted to it just like subz. And to me the withdrawals where worse with kratom then Subs. Im on day 11 of cold turkey from subs and feel fine mostly. I take welbutrin and Ozempic and Nurotin as it is, So I haven't felt to bad so far. I got on subs to get off kratom cause i was not only buying kratom I was buying research chemicals (Basicly hydrocodone) and mixing them. It got really bad and really scary near the end. And when I got on Subs with withdraws from kratom kept me in bed for weeks seeing and hearing things (I talked to my dead cousin, and I seen my dead cat) And finally I was able to get off of that crap. Theres a anti-depressant kinda effect with kratom that mixed with some of my other drugs that made it super super hard to quit.
Hey boss I'm into day 10 of methadone wd I was at 33mg tapered down I FORTUNATELY was only on it for 4 months before I realized what I was doing to myself... my question is simple and dont expect an easy answer but roughly how long do you think my rls will continue?
Likely another week.
@@dr.chrispark thanks I appreciate your reply I'm just looking for the light at the end of the tunnel haha
Angel Tsosie You’re getting there 💥
Yes.... you are. RLS is AWFUL. But...it WILL pass. Take a magnesium supplement to help. Also epson salt baths work wonders. TRUST ME!!
My legs are going crazy I’m literally rolling around my bed I’m on day 4 no suboxone I know time will heal but shit man this sucks
Dillon Schuster I hope it got better!
It did after about 16 days it was gone
@@dillonschuster2940 ✊
I took tizanidine when I was getting off subs.it helped with restless leg really well.
Hi... in Europe I got Lyrica for my withdrawals prescribed by my doc...
He told me to take 150 mg a day, but it s not that helpfully, I’ve been sleeping well for 3 days and now I’m awaking 1 or 2 am every night with strong RLS.
It seems hard to sneak out that Lyrica, do you think I could change the medication to clonidin? But I also get valsartan and bisoprolol for my blood pressure, can I take that with clonidin ?
I went from 16 mg Subutex to 0 , that’s 14 days ago now...
used it for 20 years
Good job on the taper. You probably could use clonidine but your doctor would need to monitor your blood pressure and make sure it's safe.
Dr. Chris Park
Day 16
I got something at home to check my blood pressure,
do you have experience with Lyrica for Opioid withdrawal?
I take 75 mg before I go to sleep and 75 at night, I startet that maybe 4 days ago, first night I was sleeping well, but next day I couldn’t sleep well already, I’m waking midnight or 1am, and then I got very strong RLS, stronger as I had without Lyrica...
Or isn’t it enough with 75 mg at night?
Should I try to take 150 before sleep?
Or should I stop to take them?
I’ll ask an doctor about Clondine today.
Last three days were the very worst until now, I fear to fall back
Thanks for your support
hasden teufel Lyrica can be dosed 150mg twice a day but you would need to discuss with your doc if this was safe for you 👍
Dr. Chris Park I m tryin to set Lyrica on 0 today, I already had problems with gabapentin a few years ago, I thought maybe it would be better with Lyrica, but it’s more worse then the Subutex withdrawal alone as this medication makes me can’t sleep...
I just took them 3 or 4 day now, you think it’s possible to let them be?
I appreciate for your quick answer, that is gold worth.
In Europe aren’t as much cases about opioid withdrawals...
🙏 thanks for your work...
In my past I’ve had very heavy habits with strong prescription opiates like oxy, opana, hydromorphone etc and illicit narcotics like heroin (though I’ve only ever snorted it and never injected) and I’m very familiar what full on cold turkey WD feels like. I eventually consolidated my addiction into only taking kratom and eventually was taking about a kilo a week of kratom, and was taking kratom exclusively for about a year and a half, and
wanted to get off but by then I had WD, while different, were very intense. Insomnia and restless leg are very intense with a heavy kratom addiction. Finally I went on suboxone, 8mg 3x a day and tapered down to 4mg 2x a day. I accidentally lost my script a few months ago and had to go a week without having any before I was able to refill. While I did have WDs, they were much more mild than any other time I’ve experienced them. The major symptoms were the RLS and insomnia though but this wensday I am finally stopping the suboxone for good. I have a prescription for gabapentin which has always in the past helped with RLS
The subox takes forever to leave your system, it's why your WDs after losing your scrip weren't bad or non-existant. Had you gone another week without, you'd have been unable to function. And when sub WDs do finally start, they last for MONTHS
Ive been on clonidine for 14 years for my blood pressure at .6mg a day a large dosage and im stuck with it.If I try to stop my blood pressure sky rockets and my chest pounds,it just causes another problem if you take it too long.
Do you take clients from out of state via virtual sessions?
Sorry, but at this time I am unable to do that. Where do you live?
Restless leg syndrome sounds real cute, but for those who get it bad it is the worst experience ever, period. It was the only withdrawal symptom that scared me. To the point where beating addiction actually boiled down to beating restless leg. It took me years to find it but Kratom and clonidine is the magic bullet.
You are right. BRUUUUTAL
Day 22 of quitting Soboxone and this thing drags on. It's not as bad as methadone or opiate withdrawl but it last longer.
EXACTLY!!!!!! These sub pushers piss me off!! I would have NEVER took these subs!!!
I don't smoke pot but on the second day I decided to smoke I'm telling you pot helped me a ton my whole body just relaxed and was able to curb the depression and find joy
42 days off suboxone now and I'm still dealing with rls. Although it's presenting a bit different now. As I drift off to sleep, one leg will start jumping, from the top of my thigh all the way through my foot.
Go see your doctor. There may be something else going on.
Use Kratom responsibly and it most certainly helps w RLS. I have found Kratom to be a great tool for opiate withdrawal, alleviating most of the WD symptoms. Kratom has potential for abuse but it doesn't have to be that way. If kratom is used correctly for 3-4 weeks there will be little problem. Kratom has been a lifesaver for me. Thank you for your vids and all your information, Doc.
Absolutely incredible. 4 days off a 12 year Suboxone run and I'm not sick. Red Maengda strain. Just amazing. I'm dosing about 5 grams in the morning and another 5 grams at night. The dosages of Suboxone these Doctors put people on is criminal. I found that out when I tapered down to about 2 mg over one month. I was on 20 mg a day when 8 mg...or even 4 mg would have worked. I was a heavy hitter and know this. Thank God for this wonder leaf.
So quick question. Do you face the Suboxone withdrawals after stopping Kratom? I never had a pill problem, but my ex wife did prior to us meeting and was on Subs. I would take one of hers here or there, and 8 years later you know where this is going. A few years ago I decided to jump off 8mg subs. Being I was never addicted to pain pills, and was on subs so long just trying not to WD, I got someone’s script of hydro 5’s and would just take one in the morning so I could function at work and take one at night to get some sleep. I did that for 2 weeks then stopped. And OMG! The withdrawals were horrible, and I literally crawled back into my doctors office puking, and twitching from muscle spasms and begged him to write a script. So that’s what I’m worried with trying Kratom is if I would just be masking the withdrawals and have to face them down the road when I got off Kratom?
@@mcafee3604 No... once the Suboxone is out of your system that's it. The Kratom has an alkaloid in it that binds to the same receptors in the brain that Suboxone does but it's not narcotic. A week ago I had never even heard of Kratom so this is what I've been able to research. I've also talked to a few people that have used it to get through withdrawal. EVERY ONE OF THEM said it was a God send. The bad thing about Suboxone is it has a really long half life. Much like methadone. I withdrew from a monster methadone habit prior to going on Suboxone 12 years ago. It was the worst withdrawal I've ever had and I've had my share...trust me. I was terrified to have to do it again.....especially being 12 years older. I did get sick once on the Suboxone when my script ran out after I relocated to Tennessee. I was only without it 4 days and it kicked in like a monster. I'm 7 days now without Suboxone and the Kratom has been a life saver. I'm not 100% but it's a cakewalk compared to what it would have been. I wish you luck and please let me know how you make out. I feel for anyone with this terrible demon of addiction.
Ricky Pisano thank you so much!! It definitely Isn’t fun!! I’ve never withdrew from anything, but Suboxone a few times when I tried to quit. But I’m tired of feeling like I’m living in a fog. It’s like I’m watching my life unfold from a spectators stance. Lol, and the final straw was it stole my motivation. I used to be highly drivin, and owned businesses and it made me where I don’t even want to leave the house and my drive is non existent. I’ve also always been a salesman type personality and I don’t even want to talk to people anymore. So I said screw it and started tapering myself down. I’m at 1mg, down from 8mg but I’ve literally been up 3 days with maybe 2 hours sleep total, when I just nod out. But it’s like the muscle craps and spasms know when I drift off, because they promptly wake me up! Lol. It’s been 6 days of this crap, and I’m just ready to be done. I don’t want to go back up a mg because all that pain would have been for nothing, and when I stabilize on a mg and going 0.5 the very next day. I’m just looking for something To help me through this last leg, 8mg to 2mg was a breeze, but 2mg and down has been hell!
@@mcafee3604 You'll get through it Patrick. Insomnia is going to happen. It will pass. I promise. Look at the long term picture and stay motivated. Being a slave to anything is the worst. I was a Suboxone slave for 12 years. Wasted most of my life. I plan to LIVE the rest of it.
my first jump attempt was a disaster. I took .2 MG of Clonidine, and took 1.5 MG of Requip. My body still felt like someone was pumping electricity in to my system. I think i'm in trouble. Down to .35 MG per day. last jump was at .5 per day. Looks like i'm just going to have to just deal with it.
Damn Robert. That sucks. I will find out again myself. To have worked down that low and still withdrawal like that is just discouraging. I remember clonidine. Helps a little. Made me not remember anything
@@andyc9979 Yes they say if you ween down ..its all bull crap because no matter what dose you are at..you are going to feel the same exact withdrawal symptoms..like I tried quitting numerous times but this time I am going to do it!! NO MORE SUBS!!! DEVIL MEDS!!!
For a great look at Kratom and what it's about watch the documentary "A LEAF OF FAITH" on Netflix. A real eye opener.
How long does the restless leg usually last from Suboxone withdrawal
I'm day 21 and asking the same question .
Wayno Walden hey brother I’m on 23 and the legs is my main problem I have found compression socks and multi vitamin is helping but hey don’t give up you got this I’ll be praying for u
@@allenshares5504 thanks man .won't be giving up , that's for sure , glad to know I'm not alone .
Wayno Walden for sure man if you ever need encouragement just let me know I know I’ll never go back and face them hard first weeks again already feel so liberated and free and sober I’ll get over this rls and insomnia soon enough and you will too I’ll continue to pray for u another thing is helping me is to go on walks wich me and my son are doing right this minute
@@allenshares5504 heads up dude , day 23 ( thereabouts )and the my legs have stopped.
Still feeling like garbage but I can see the finish like brother . Strength vibes out to ya
Roprinole helped A LOT! should be an easy prescription to get also; it’s not a control medication.
I'm currently 21 and I've been an addict since 16. My mother is prescribed the blue oxy 30's and OP 40's. I used to give my friend money and say "Hey can you buy this from her and bring it to me. She is currently 59 and she has been on pain pills for almost 15 years now for arthritis and many many other problems. She found out in no time that I was taking them and when she did she was PISSED I tell you but she told me these exact words "As a mother I can't stand seeing you go through withdrawals and I'd do anything to help you" and she started giving me one OP 40 a day. I'm not blaming her for what I have done to myself. My mother is the most amazing woman I have ever known and I will never ever find anyone as kind as her. She has helped me EVERY DAY for the past four years and the only thing I have done in return is treat her like garbage. At the beginning of every month she gets her proscription of 30 oxy 30s and 60 OP 40s and within one week she runs out and goes sick herself for the next 2 weeks until she gets them again and if I think the withdrawals are bad from 5 years of addiction then imagine how bad it is for someone who's been on them for 15 years. When she runs out I yell and curse at her because she doesn't have any left and blame her for running out when it's my fault. Since she's the greatest mother alive then that means she deserves the greatest son but instead she got me. She never gave up on me but I keep doing it. I love you mom and I hope one day you can forgive me.
please grow up
I know how u feel but you gotta try and help yourself.
The worst part for me is the restless leg part at night not being able to sleep. And no doctor in my community will ever prescribe me this. Its like were suppose to be stuck on suboxone forever
On day 9 of cold turkey off 2mg from an 18 year relationship with suboxone. Been so much harder than I anticipated. Still getting some symptoms such as RLS but in my arms n hands as well as feeling hot and cold. The lack of sleep may have alot to do with it as ionly sleep maybe 20 min a night. Also my stomach has been in knots the past 3 days or so. So ready to be done with this poison but it feels as if it'll last forever. Trying to stay positive but it's hard.
On day 5 here after 14 years on subs. The lack of sleep seems to get worse but one thing I found is that during the day is the best opportunity to sleep. I have the same sensations in my arms as well. Good luck to you we can do this!
Have you ever heard of tonic water for this symptom
Jessica Percoski I’ve used it for leg cramps but not sure if it would work for restless legs. Probably worth a try
Yes...it helps. Also magnesium supplements and epson salts bath work.
how is tramadol for suboxone withdrawl?
Treigh Wells It’s a short acting opiate and I don’t recommend it for my patients
A heating pad will help as well!! Keeping your legs warm, even if you’re sweating, will help! Don’t go the route of smoking grass because that will simply start another demon!! A healthy diet and protein and veggies is critical!!! Neurontin (gabapentin) does help!!! Be careful talking to a “doctor” about tapering your meds because I actually had a chronic disease specialist tell me I shouldn’t do that and that I should start taking the recommended dose again! If I had, I would have gone from the 8 mg I was taking back to 24 mg!! Could have killed me!! Oh, by the way, suboxone or buprenorphine will crumble your teeth because it’s HIGHLY acidic!! You at least need some type of rinse like oxyfresh or something like it that resets the ph in your mouth if you’re still taking it. I’m having to get another tooth pulled this coming Tuesday and am looking at having to get 4 tooth implants largely due to this drug!!! If you don’t get off of this crap, you won’t have any teeth!!!!! I’m NOT joking!!! Implants are expensive, and depending on where you live can cost upwards of $2-3k for the implant and another $1,200-3,000 for the crown!! Possible over $5k for each tooth!! Not to mention you have to endure bone grafts and waiting over 3 months for the bone graft to heal, then another 6 months for the implant to heal!!! This crap is just horrible and another “ball and chain” that drags you down and controls your life!! It messes with your hormones, and kills your sex drive!!! There’s so much more to this than you know or are told about it!! Trust me, doctors don’t know SQUAT about it, and pharmacists know barely more!!! Learn about it...and hand in there!! I’m going through the same thing!!! It’s been almost 48 hours since I’ve taken any, and I know I barely have 1/3 of it out of my system!! I’ll be in my bed, with a heating pad, and walking my dog for exercise in between!! Pray for me, and I will certainly pray for all those wanting help coming off of it!!
suboxone clinics do not want you to get off subs..They want the money flowing!!trust me..Most of these clinics will not help me...a regular doctor at urgent care are now helping me..Whatever I ask her for the withdrawals..she gives me..WHY COULDNT THE CLINIC DO THIS FOR ME??? Its such a shame that suboxone clinics do not tell you the truth ..they think they are helping people but they are not..This drug suboxone is MORE ADDICTIVE than Lorcets or any other pain killers..They should ALL be in JAIL!!!! sorry i didnt mean to go off but I have been through a nightmare for literally 10 years and no..my cLinic just kept telling me that it will be ok and kept prescribing me more meds...They do not want to help me for rls and anyhting other than subs or methadone..such a shame that there are doctors out there like this..and Im in Louisiana so I already know its corrupt..big time!!
HEATING PADS DONT WORK MAAM!!!!
Idk what’s wrong with me but clonodine only made me worste. I would Get such bad RLS in my feet and hands from clonodine I would be convulsing. And then I was so sleepy but couldn’t sleep....
Girl yas!!! Couldn't agree more
Pray and Jesus will take it away
heroin withdrawal is super intense but it’s over in a month. But suboxone withdrawal is not as intense but it last a lot longer.
Try methadone withdrawal. Heroin is a picnic compared to it. I kicked heroin in jail a couple times and it definitely wasn't fun but was over fairly fast.... the physical part anyway. Methadone was the worst withdrawal I've ever experienced in my 40 years of addiction and I was a dumpster. Did pretty much all the narcotics. Had a quack doctor I was always an expert at finding, prescribe me 80mgs of methadone a day for back pain. I thought my ship had finally come in. No more hustling. I would manage it. I couldn't have been more wrong. The 80mgs a day went to 100mgs in a week. Then 120mgs, then 140mgs, etc. I was getting the 40mg wafers and at the end I was breaking 10 of them in half at a time. 400mgs a pop. Out of my mind. I've never nodded like that in my life. Mid-sentence I'd go out. Just gone man. So, that script would be gone in days and back to the street and hustling. Only now my habit was off the charts. I couldn't cop enough dope or pills to get high, just barely enough to not be sick, until script day rolled around again. Then back to about 100mg a day and the cycle repeated. I went to an appointment on script day a little over a year later and the doctor was GONE. The DEA pulled his license and there was a female P.A. there instead. She called me in and told me she couldn't find anything in my file to explain the prescription I'd been getting. No X-rays, absolutely nothing. She was totally hip to what was going on. She told me she would write me ONE MORE script. That was it. Then she mentioned Suboxone to me. She told me It was a new drug for addicts that would stop the withdrawal but not get you high. At all. It was the first time I'd ever heard of it. She asked me if I wanted another appointment to try it. She told me to make sure I was in withdrawal when I came for that one. I told her that wouldn't be a problem. I showed up to that appointment sick as ever. The Suboxone was little red pills then. She brought me in and handed me two of them and told me to let them dissolve under my tongue. I did and 15 minutes later I experienced one of the most profound moments of my life. I didn't get high at all, but the withdrawal was GONE and so was the craving. Just disappearred. After almost 30 years of addiction it was unbelievable. That's when the 10 year Suboxone merry-go-round started. Two and a half of the 8mg/2mg. So 20/5mg Buprenorphine/Naloxone. 10 years every day. I was never told to wean and in my opinion that dose was way too high. That finally ended with a fight with my new doctor after moving. Constantly charging me more, hassling me. I'd just had enough. I had about 15 pills saved and broke them to wean but it was way too fast. That's when I first heard of Kratom. It was unbelievable that I'd never even HEARD of it. Read above. It worked for me. It was a miracle in my life.
Hey I was wondering if I go to kratom or short acting oxy will I detox faster ? I’m 2 months without suboxne or anything and I feel horrible still. I know I can handle couple weeks of WD but this is too long . Will I still have to go thru sub wd if I relapse to oxy or start kratom ? Please any info helps thanks
Has anyone tapered off with vicodin 10s
Neurodins do work great for rsl
What about pickle juice?
Jeffrey Welbourne Probably better for actual leg cramps than restless legs. But if it works for you that’s great! I had a friend doing the keto diet and he’d drink pickle juice like crazy due to low electrolytes and some serious leg cramps
Good luck getting prescriptions like that
Try a drug called Sifrol for the legs o worked a treat .
Coming off the fentanyl the M30s I’ll tell you what. These wd will cut you down literally takes the man out of me. Just kicking all night like a little girl throwing a tantrum
Doc I need your wise word of wisdom please this is day 4 for me and I’m dieing here
Where did you jump off at and how quickly did you taper?
@@dr.chrispark I jumped off on the 8 mg strips of Suboxon
It’s been 5 days now
@@coreyfinch6512 That’s a very high dose to jump off at. Gonna be bad for 10 Days and then probably 50% better every 10 days after. But everybody is different. Stay hydrated. Eat healthy. Good luck and keep me updated. And always talk to your doctor
@@dr.chrispark but it is manageable right
The fucking worst man. BRUTAL is exactly right. Red Maengda Kratom saved me. Just incredible. From 20 mg a day... for 12 years...down to about 1 mg in less than a month and I was getting sick... BAD......I had never even heard of Kratom but I was desperate. I bought some and IT WORKED like a miracle. Im telling you bro...unbelievable... and I know what I'm talking about. Been around the block too many times. I'm done with this rat race.
I get it in my arms
I personally found cbd worked wonders for restless leg when I detoxed off suboxone and kratom
The baby is calling you lol
It's impossible can't help legs
Restless arms too
Yea, wtf, my arms just as bad as legs, its been by far the worse symptom for me. Jumped off at 0.5 mg after 1 year at 2mg to 3mg a day. Weaned from 2mg to .5mg over 3 months, day 5 and not as bad as i thought, just rls and arms at night. No damn sleep. No other bad wd symptoms. Nights been hell.
@@johnarruda2765 John congrats. If that's all you have then you will be okay soon. Seriously tho. That used to be my only symptoms in the beginning of my opioid use. Just rsl and no sleep for a few days. Withdrawal is bad for me now. But I'm weaning down myself and am hoping weaning will lessen it all when it comes to that point. How can't it? Same say it helps some say it dont Matter. Hearing that eats at me. Hope that's not true. Then why am I wasting my time weaning. Idk anymore lol
@@andyc9979 thanks bro. Yesss it all seems over now, funny was gradually getting better but it sure didnt feel that way.
Keep going bro, now that i can look back a bit ( paws are no fun) it was mostly in my head, the restless arms n legs were def real but the everyday anticipation n anxiety created in own mind made it 100 times worse. It dont seem so bad now . Idk good luck bro. I def think weaning works better jumping at 0.5 mg of subs versus 300mg oxy that was digesting dailly for years would been wayyyy way worse in my opinion.
It can be done. Feel free again. Rarely crosses mind anymore. Hang in there n best of luck.
@@johnarruda2765 love hearing success stories. Keep it up. Will be there again at some point and that will make two of us
@@andyc9979 thanks bro! Good luck, no doubt you can n will be here soon too. Forward only. Keep me posted!
Magnesium!!! In a highly absorbable form. CALM powder sold online and health shops. Or chelated magnesium sold at Walmarts. It relaxes muscles as well as your mind. We are all deficient in magnesium anyway. Can be given to anyone, old or young.
I’ve been taking it for years, even before withdrawal. So good for restless legs or tight muscles of any kind. Please do yourself a favor and try it. $5 up to Walmarts is worth it.
Restless leg is nothing compared to akathisia 😖😢.
All you did was recommend drugs for the first 5 minutes, then you said you don't advocate for drugs! Doctors are so weird.
Big difference between street drugs and prescription medications that are taken as directed.
Dont take this poison like neurontin
“i don’t recommend taking drugs”...”try Kratom”......Okee Dokee, A yeah No
All the drugs you mention are dangerous and have terrible side effects.
Why withdraw from sub at all?
I simply do not get it, particularly since maintenance doses can be very low.
Geez, some people just crave agony.
Western medicine is s pharmacopia--just find a good med and stay with it and move on with your life
Because a recovery center put me on it 10 yrs ago to leave a pain program 4mg 3 times a day now I have a new problem that's why. Stop judging people on here it's the last thing we need. God Bless 🙏 ✝ 🕊 👑
Because some people don’t want to be addicted to medicine for the rest of our lives. Pretty simple
I was experiencing RLS at about 12 years old. I’m now 60 and it’s BRUTAL. In my legs, arms and torso on occasion. I’ve had numerous back and neck injuries, surgeries and fractures. After being placed on MOUT it stopped RLS cold as well as the constant pain. Nuerontin and Baclofen are part of that. I was at 4800mg of Nuerontin per day. After being placed on the Fentanyl patch I was able to taper to 400mg per day. After several years on the patch and MSContin I took myself by switching to Suboxone. I was told it would work for chronic pain as well. It did not do much for pain but worked perfectly for RLS. So now I go several months on Suboxone; when I cannot stand the pain anymore I’ll do a few months on MSContin and Dilaudid.
Of all the meds I used Suboxone was the best for RLS. The Requip and Mirapex caused my symptoms to worsen over 3 weeks. Was given Oxycodone and it also caused augmentation.
RLS is absolutely horrible. I was a major airline pilot but the constant fatigue and battling to find the right meds for it cost me my medical certification and ultimately my career.
I swear if I was tied to a board with my RLS in full tilt boogie I would beg for a bullet to the head…
Thank you for this video.