As someone who owns both 2020 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid and 2022 Toyota Corolla hybrid, I can definitely say Toyota's system is still the best and simpler to operate. Driving on the same routes, my Corolla consistently gets 15-20% better MPGs compared to the Ioniq. I am, in fact, contemplating to trade my Ioniq with the soon-upcoming all-new Prius.
@@jeancassel The Ioniq 5 is a full-battery EV though. So, you cannot really compare it to Toyota's hybrids. In fact, I think the Ioniq 5 is the best-looking battery EVs in the market at the moment. It also has been quite a sale success for Hyundai. I have seen a lot of Ioniq 5s on the road. They seem to be the 2nd most frequently spotted EVs, after the Teslas.
@@AmericanRoads Indeed, you are right, full EV. Now i'm back to the drawing board, I guess I'll have to wait and see what the new prius will be like, and go from there. Thank you for reminding me that it was full EV man.
As a technician Toyota is the gold standard in hybrid technology and no other manufacturer has ever come close to the performance, refinement, reliability, longevity and quality powertrain.
Ford licensed the tech from Toyota. All Ford hybrid models are similar to Toyota design. Toyota now copied the same hybrid setup used on the F150 powerboost for their redesigned Tundra. But yes, Ford weak spot is that they still have to work with UAW, thus lower QA.
@@marcinnalepka1530 Honda has their own version of hybrid powertrain it did not become popular as the Prius in the 2000 and I think Honda fail at the time but Honda is trying again to dominate the hybrid market with a new refined version of hybrid technology but time will tell if they can stand up to Toyota gold standard for hybrid technology.
My first hybrid was a 2000 Toyota Prius (purchased in September 1999) which had 204,000 miles on it when I traded it in on a used 2010 Toyota Prius with 26K miles on it. The 2000 Prius was small, however, it served me well and I NEVER did anything to the brakes except change the brake fluid a few times in the 12 years of ownership! My 2010 Prius currently has 150,000 miles on it and is going strong. I recently purchased a 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE for my wife with 129,000 miles on it. It now has 160,000 miles on it and is going strong. I really love Toyota Hybrids!
My 2013 Lexus RX450h hybrid has 145k miles on it and it still drives like new. The battery has 95% health and the only issues I've had was a faulty O2 sensor and a taillight was replaced. I follow the maintenance schedule - changed the fluids, third set of brakes and tires - that's it. It still averages over 27mpg in the city. It's been a pleasure to own and drive and when it comes time for a new car it will definitely be another Lexus hybrid.
I also have a 2009 Prius itec and love love love my car. Never ever had any issues with it but need to upgrade as I’ve had 3 kids since I bought this car and they are very squished in the back seat. I love the look of the Hyundai Tuscan but it’s just not a Toyota. I wish the rav 4 cruiser looked better but I’ll still probably buy the Toyota over the Hyundai purely for the fact that it’s a Toyota lol.
My 2015 Prius has 112,600 miles and runs like a champ. Never gave me any issues & I drive it sort of hard sometimes. My next vehicle will definitely be another Toyota. I recommend them to everyone. UPDATE 08/23/24-My prius now has 142,912 miles & still runs great, no issues whatsoever. I will be changing my brakes & rotors on Monday along with the ball joints. Replacing wear & tear parts & general maintenance is keeping my prius running like a champ.
Here on this chanel there is a video of a Prius Prime with 341000 miles still looling and running as new which is crazy. The only differens from the regular is the plug-in option so no reason for the normal Prius to be less reliable. Toyota just makes the best cars.
@@akusitaaiai2215 The 2015 Prius had all the bugs taken care of from the past. It has different piston rings and something else that prevents it from oil burning. Sorry to hear you had issues, I have a 05 4Runner from Longo that has close to 230k miles. Longo back then was advising people not to change the transmission fluid so we never did during service appointments. I got way past the point of servicing the transmission so we never did but thankfully we never had transmission issues & it runs fine.
We've owned 3 Toyota Hybrids all of which have been totally trouble free. Last year I sold my 2013 Camry Hybrid with 185,000km on the clock to purchase the 2021 model, the man that bought it was going to use it as his second taxi. That 2013 car was running just as good as the day I bought it.
Toyota's greatest strength is that it has Toyota reliability. Hyundai's greatest weakness is, well, Hyundai. I've known Toyota, Ford and Honda owners who drive their vehicles for 15-25 years. I've never known a Hyundai owner who owned their vehicle for more than 8 years. My wife is still driving her Ford Escape that she bought for college. It turns 20 next year. We just gave a family member a 1995 Ford Explorer that my parents gave me. That person drove it across the country and it still drives extremely well (with more than 350K miles on it).
I bought a new Elantra in 2005(for $13,500) and it is still my primary car. Gets as good of gas mileage as a RAV4 hybrid and I have never had to replace the brakes. A manual transmission gives you many of the advantages of a hybrid at a fraction of the cost. So far, I have less than $1000 sunk into it in repairs.
@@shawn1869 - Good point. I am hesitant to buy one because of it. I read a journal article about the dangers of government policies pushing "green" change too rapidly -- and it cited the problems with Ecoboost engines (and how those problems end up costing even more than even the inflated prices of the vehicles due to such regulation).
@@nobodyimportant7804 - In fact, I really like the design of the Hyundai Santa Cruz. It's just a shame that they are priced $10K over MSRP right now in the Bay Area. I'd seriously consider test driving one.
My gf used to have a 2012 Hyundai Sonata which had oil burning at 67k miles. Hyundai gave us the run around (as expected) and tried convincing me that oil burning is normal at that mileage. She quickly sold it and we now have a 2019 Rav4 hybrid. Couldn't be happier with it. Great car.
thats funny you mention that my mom had 2016 hyundai santa fe and it started to burn oil as well, my mom kept going to the dealer and kept telling her its fine,she finished paying it off and bought a corolla instead shes happier then she ever
@@ghoulbuster1 we were so happy to go to Toyota. Come to find out there is a lawsuit out for Hyundai for those engines. Everytime my gf sees a Hyundai she says "never again". Not good for a newish car brand trying to establish themselves. I wanted them to do well, but this experience left a bad impression.
@@MrKaystew I am always for competition but Hyundai/Kia doesn’t have the track record of improving their engines, in fact, their pre 2010s engines were better imo in terms of reliability and ease of work. So the fact their new engines are giving problems along with their ever increasing prices, I wouldn’t really trust them for another decade. Same as nissan which right now is the most bland car anyone can buy, they have nothing good or bad for their late model cars.
I convinced my husband to purchase a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid after our daughter totaled our 2016 Ford Escape. I really wanted an all electric vehicle, specifically the Volkswagen ID4, but after test-driving the RAV4 Hybrid, I was in love 😍!!! My husband was skeptical at first, but after reviewing research, and seeing the high demand for the RAV4 Hybrid, he also became convinced!! We were blessed to secure our RAV4 below the market rate in our area, and we are TRUE believers in Toyota’s hybrid vehicles!! Here’s to 38 MPG’s!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Just replaced the hybrid battery pack on my Lexus es300h. At 271,000 miles. It’s the same Nimh battery as the Avalon and Camry. Cost $2,000 total for the install which was performed in less than an hour, in my driveway.
Very glad I made the right choice on a RAV4. My previous car was a Hyundai. They were trying to convince me how great the Hyundai hybrids are but IMO can’t beat Toyota who pioneered the technology.
It’s just the design decisions of hyundai especially having that bmw Audi German guy working for them now that’s messing them Up. Early 2000 to 2010 Hyundais were very reliable. The design choices now seem to be planned obsolescence.
You can't really say that Toyota is better because it pioneered the technology. Toyota and Hyundai use radically different technologies as this video explains.
@@ltu42 I think you can because Toyota has way more experience with hybrids. Yes, they use different technology and think Toyota made better choice. Hyundai is still in its infancy.
As a technician myself all I will say is the Toyota Hybrid design engineers are geniuses as they have designed a very complex system that is extremely reliable and easy to use for the owners, it really doesn't get any better, I love mine and and will continue to replace like with like when I need or want to.
Lifetime mechanic here - I'm so old I remember when Japanese cars began to be popular in America, that was in the late 60's, and I remember lots of crappy things about those cars. I also remember when Korea began selling cars here, and how crappy Hyundais were in the mid-80's. Now we are in the 21st century, and things have changed. Korean cars are no longer a joke, and Japanese cars are considered some of the best. A family member bought a new Prius and loved it until the battery needed changing, about 150,000 miles - that was a few thousand $$. Shortly after that the generator/starter died, and THAT was a few thousand $$ too. Then she replaced that car with a new Subaru. Why not another new Toyota? I don't know. Car Nuts remember that a starter that uses a belt is a lot cheaper to replace than a giant starter/generator that costs a few thousand $$, and also consider that a smaller turbo engine is easier to crank over than a bigger non-turbo, because of lower compression. As for this comparison, I notice that the initial purchase price is not a consideration. Ouch. Yes, the Koreans are not as sophisticated as the Japanese - at least not right now.
I still drive my 2005 Camry that I bought used. Almost 20 years old with north of 350,000 kms. Solid, smooth and refined. Incredible car. Toronto Canada
Owner of 2020 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid. You do NOT feel the engine engage/disengage at all. It is also done very quickly, pretty much instantly. Love the channel but not all facts on this one. Never drove that SUV but don't lump them all together. My dad owns a Lincoln and says he can't believe how quiet and smooth my Ioniq is. This seems like a shill for Toyota. I rented a prius, it was nice. My Ioniq has better acceleration and gas mileage.
I was always wondering why New York city Uber Lift drivers use mostly Toyota Hybrid cars! So you answered this question- Toyota just better and reliable. Toyota makes millions of cars. I'm happy to own Toyota and looking forward to get new plugging Hybrid Toyota SUV in future.
The Prius is the new Crown Victoria. Slow(yes, the ‘Vic has a V8 but it’s slow for one - cops were getting outrun with Hondas and even minivans. The P71 cop ‘Vic just has a heavy-duty suspension, driveshaft, cooling and all the cop ECU does is delete the immobilizer and speed limiter), ugly but like a cockroach, it’s hard to kill one.
Incredible video, as a Toyota hybrid owner, I had no clue they are so different. When my friend bough Hyundai i30 Mild Hybrid - I said to him: It must be so nice, it does not even have alternator ... and many other things that can go wrong. I30 is IMHO still a good, really cheap, car, but man it is different than I expected.
As an owner of a 2008 Toyota Highlander hybrid, Toyota’s system is exceptional. My vehicle has 290,000 miles on it with original hybrid battery. Other than timing belts (plugs / water pump / tensioner changed at same time) and routine maintenance items (oil, filters, transmission fluid chamges), NO unplanned maintenance or repairs to the drivetrain. Original brakes were still good at 170k miles; changed anyway out of concern with age. The planetary gear transmission, while different than a regular transmission, does not generate much heat, requires very little in maintenance (extended fluid changes), and is engineered to outlast the vehicle. It is also extremely smooth and provides great engine braking (and charging) when towing or in mountain areas. Best vehicle i have ever had with 12 years of ownership (i paid essentially half the cost of a new model when i bought it with 65k miles in 2011). I just pulled the front valve cover…upper valvetrain has zero visible wear, zero sludge, and minimal staining / carbon on the top of the valve cover. I am convinced that i could double the mileage and it would still be fine. An exceptionally well engineered car. And I have rowed many CARS with this vehicle (using a dolly and a full car trailer) countless times.
I actually learned to love the ultra smooth stageless eCVT. I think most people will get used to it just fine and it's just weird at first because we're used to transmissions with fixed gears. I really wouldn't want a car that has a transmission with fixed gears again after driving my Yaris Hybrid for 7 months. I also think Toyota has really tackled the "rubber band effect" with Gen 4 of their hybrid systems. I once drove a Yaris Hybrid Gen 3 and my Gen 4 is so much nicer to drive, reacts quicker, has more power, doesn't take the rpms as high as quickly. Honda also has a new, modern hybrid system which appears to be very efficient and we'll thought out. Unfortunately it simulates gears under heavy acceleration and you just have no choice over if you want that or not.
Yes, spot on! For me it is 7-0. The eCVT is great. x-gear transmissions are really old school. People don't like it because they are used to the shifting stuff. But once you get used to the eCVT there is no smoother ride. And really stupid is when manufacturers introduce shifts electronically into an eCVT. 7-0 definitely.
I bought a Toyota Corolla hybrid in 2021. Estimated 52- 51 miles per gal. I get consistently between 60 to 71 miles per gal. I don't drive like granny either. I remember my first service, I mentioned my gas mileage, they responded... yeah they underestimate the miles per gallon. Awesome car !!
my former RX400H reached 515 000 kms (more than 300 000 miles), the hybrid planetary gearbox is just impossible to destroy - they last forever as long as you maintain them
I’m a hybrid certified Hyundai technician. The HSG belt is actually a common failure on Hyundai’s hybrids. Their service interval is 30k miles…and the dual tensioner setup is a bitch to work with
Driving a Kia hybrid with the DCT was so clunky compared to my Corolla hybrid. I would be interested to see a video on the Honda hybrid system compared to Toyota as well.
@@manny4491 ive had my Corolla hybrid for a year. And it's en extremely efficient vehicle but very simple from the inside I do suggest going for the more equipped version coming i think next year.
@@manny4491 I really like my Corolla hybrid; I bought it used a year ago and it drives very smooth even with higher mileage. I do wish Toyota sold them with the 2.0l engine because it is pretty slow but it is efficient and kinda fun to drive.
Toyota is the king of hybrid cars and trucks . And the car nut guy and scotty Kilmer are the best TH-cam automotive mechanics that people learn from, Keep up the great work car nut guy
AMD, Those who can afford to be guinea pigs with other brands' hybrid experiments are welcome to buy them and hope for the best. Like you did with your Camry, I would spend my hard earned money on Toyota's proven track record of Hybrid expertise.😁
Right and this car care “nut” is a hypocrite because Toyota has a big lawsuit going on where they aren’t covering the circuit and hybrid wiring catching fire and people paying upto 7000 or more out of pocket and not being covered by Toyota. Every brand makes mistakes and Toyota is not perfect. Me personally I’ve had less issue with my Hyundais than Toyotas
@@robmalcolm8042 This is what is known as a straw man argument. Nobody said Toyota Hybrids are perfect. AMD has produced numerous videos dealing with Toyota's Hybrid issues. If you want to launch a personal attack on AMD, please show enough BACKBONE to post your own original comment.
@@robmalcolm8042 Where did you read that hybrid circuits and wiring catching fire? I believe the lawsuit is for cable corrosion due to the connector being inverted and retaining water. Toyota has now promised to cover this fix and have extended this to pre2022 models. Which Hyundai and Toyota models have you had and what issues were you encountering"?
@ŽAID DIAŽ (ⰆⰀⰋⰄ ⰄⰋⰀⰆ) lmao no one paid me for anything I had a 05 Elantra made in Korea didn’t have any issues I got a 07 Prius and have done way more work to it than I ever did the Elantra. Also had a Tucson and now palisade since I have a family and it’s been very reliable considering the lambda v6 in it is also used in the genesis models for years and haven’t had issues. I like Toyota as well I’m not hating but everyone and their mother points a finger at hyundai who is 40 years younger than Toyota yet still has improved alot for what they were in the 90s yet if Toyota has issues they ignored and “now” agreed to fixing because they have no “choice” to now it’s not a big deal oh it rarely happens with Toyota I’ve seen plenty of people have issues with Toyota they aren’t perfect usually japan and Korean made cars are better than the same car that’s made here or in Canada so i usually stick to that being a better choice
@@rightlanehog3151 it is an original comment because it’s a fact. Just like all the facts that people talk about hyundai or not the rav 4 fires from the regular gasoline rav 4s compartment fires that also wasn’t too long ago. People are always talking about hyundai not acknowledging most issues were related to a engine that’s already discontinued. Theta 3 or smartstream and lambda engines have been a lot more reliable.
We are a Toyota family. We drive a 2014 Camry Hybrid and a 2021 RAV4 Hybrid. I agree with all you detailed about Toyota. I have not heard much positive about Hyundai. (Their gas models have improved a lot from the 90s.) I wouldn't exchange a Hyundai for a Toyota for ANYTHING! Our cars so far haven't cost us anything for maintenance except tires and brakes (2014 Camry), as well as normal oil (5,000 mi.) and transmission fluid change.
The eAWD from Toyota is pure genius. I owned a 2003 Prius, an excellent car, but I sold it when we moved to Colorado. We needed AWD. My next car will be Toyota. I wish you were my mechanic!
I have a 21 Venza, bought it March of 21. It has certainly exceeded my expectations. The only problem for me is that the MPGs go from 40 to 25 during extreme cold winters in Wisconsin. But if I go on a long enough trip, the heat in the cabin will eventually warm the battery and it will work it's way up to 40.
I have to say that I’ve noticed something similar with the Toyota RAV4 hybrid. The mpg does suffer the colder it is outside because the computer notices a lost in capacity on the battery and it’s constantly turning off the battery (the more the gas engine turns on when it otherwise wouldn’t, the less MPG overall). But as long as the temperature is probably above 40°F any Toyota hybrid will be close to or better than advertised when it comes to MPG as long as you’re not driving me crazy
Have a 2021 Sienna Hybrid. We just purchased a 2024 Tuscon Hybrid and love it. We have not experienced or felt any of the lag you talked about. The smaller battery in the Toyota is a Nickle Hydrate where as the Hyundai is a Lithium. They obviously did some improvements.
I test drove a Honda. The generator provides the power to the wheels and the engine powers the generator. It is the weirdest sensation press down the gas and their is a delay before the gas engine kicks in to send power to the generator. Personally, I did not like that setup.
@@rncondie I own a Honda Clarity PHEV. The gas motor can be off, it can turn a generator to provide electricity to the battery and traction motor, or can connect directly to the wheels in parallel to the electric engine. I believe this is very similar to the Toyota system.
I have a 2019 Accord Hybrid and I like it very much. Absolutely reliable and efficient. My Honda easily merges with freeway traffic and passes with equal ease. I respect Toyota engineering. However after test driving and comparing, we chose the Accord over a Camry. BOTH are really good cars.
Remove all subjective matter, have an average person who doesn't have their own vehicle on display, the Toyota would have had a marginal lead. Much of this video is "Toyota has been around longer. Therefore, they win."
I have a 2023 XSE Camry Hybrid, and what makes it standout for me is its not a "plug in". I don't understand why most car companies don't go that route more.
I am also an automotive tech. I have 46 years experience. I agree with you 100% on your comparison of these Hybrid systems. I would go with Toyota over Hyundai.
I have my 2019 Camry SE Hybrid for almost 4 years and still love it a lot. It's much better than the gas version - start quicker, quieter, and has more power when you need it. I choose Toyota Hybrid over Honda Hybrid, because of its tracking record. Would love to see another video which compares Toyota Hybrid vs Honda Hybrid.
Prefer Toyota hyundai and Mazda than Honda but I haven’t seen anything bad about the Honda hybrids. I know early ones if the hybrid battery died the car became a regular gas car on the gas engine until the battery is replaced so a fail safe. Where as I think Prius always can die completely if the hybrid battery completely goes.
Just took a long cross country road trip in a Pirus. Very interesting car to drive. I'm a long time Corolla owner. I was very impressed with the new technology features of the vehicle.
The second generation of Corolla Hybrids is arriving which will make them even closer to the Prius. Having said that, I prefer the practical hatch the Prius offers as Toyota chooses not to sell the Hybrid Corolla hatch and wagon in our market.
I love that Hyunday has put in every part that I don't want to have in my car due to failure points. A small engine, a turbocharger and a big load on the belt. I dont know how one can think that the alternator should also start the engine.
Yeah 01 to 2010 was probably the best gen of Hyundais and Kia’s super reliable getting over 300,000 was no issue. This new gen seems to stem from the bmw guy going to hyundai which is probably why they drive so amazingly now but maybe he’s adding that German engineering that is straight planned obsolescence. It’s a shame cause hyundai has enough money and tech to make a more reliable or as reliable car as Toyota they just choose not to.
Thankyou for the comparison. Toyota built their system for the Prius and basically kept that design for many years. Why mess with success? I don't own a hybrid or EV, but I sure do like my 2020 RAV4! Not a lot of miles on it, but a joy to drive!
Thanks for doing the comparison of these two brands. I do think the true future in automobiles is the hybrid technology or some version of it. We are so far from being able to go pure electric imo. We need to continue the pursuit of cleaner greener energy but not at all costs. A reasonable approach should be respected and accepted by all people.
I don't know why, but since around 2019 Toyota has been making its patented technology for hybrid cars available to the public for free until 2030. Publishing the patent means other manufacturers will be able to create hybrid cars as well. My prediction is that a new type of engine will be announced around 2030.
Another item to consider in the comparison. My understanding of the Toyota "transmission" on the hybrid is called CVT because it is continuously variable, but the technology is completely different from the common CVT employing a mechanical metal belt. Those CVT's have become an expensive maintenance nightmare. The Toyota CVT is marvel of engineering. Toyota employs a planetary gear box in a unique way whereas they are able to achieve an infinite selection of gear ratios in a simple foolproof way. Think of it as a 1000 speed automatic transmission which yields the greatest gas mileage out of the drive train. We drive a 2017 RAV4 hybrid and the only complaint we have is the rough ride. This is my understanding of the Toyota hybrid system. If I am misinformed about how it works, please set me straight.
I have a 2022 venza. Great car. Took it to Yellowstone then glacier national park. 40 miles to the gallon when I drive at 65mph. 37 at 70 to 80 mph. Dont see to many out there. Look much nicer than the rav4.
2:30 "At some point, they had V6 engines in their hybrids" The current Toyota Century is only a "mere" V8 hybrid! On a related note, regardless of which hybrid system you go for, Toyota's new eCVT transmission is probably still the best CVT that's out there, and that should factor a lot in your decision making.
@@dude-yg9ez You're talking about the LS500h, right? At least, it's an improvement from using a V8 engine with a hybrid to get the supposed "V12" power. The V6 hybrids Toyota currently offers (LS500h, Tundra, and Sequoia) are meant to replace the old V8 setup. If only Toyota can increase the motor output and battery capacity.
I own a 2017 Hyundai Sonata PHEV and a 2022 Rav4 Prime. The Hyundai is actually quieter and more refined than the Toyota..but the Hyundai has been at the dealer awaiting warranty repairs for the last 14 month.. Just won a buyback through arbitration because Hyundai refused to buyback on their own.. I would go with the Toyota.
I recently heard one of my colleagues telling someone to "not buy one of those fake hybrids like what toyota are because they just go 1km on battery". I have a 2015 Auris hybrid which I absolutely love and I wish more people would know more how technically superior the toyota system is compared to others.
In the USA and Canada, Toyota has very long waiting lists of customers to buy their Hybrids. Plenty of people have educated themselves about the merits of Toyota Hybrids. Toyota is doing very well in Europe and Japan selling their proven Hybrid cars.
2012 Prius Plug-In with 140,000 miles still going strong. Main batteries show no sign of degradation after 10 years. My main gripe is the "plug-in" batteries which initially gave me 12 or 13 miles of "EV", but quickly degraded to 9 or 10 after one year. Gave up on charging them. This was first gen Plug-In so I'm not that disappointed. The car overall is fantastic.
Great presentation AMD! Please consider doing Toyota vs Honda hybrid system too if you can someday! The Honda system seems a bit confusing. Also, I’ve always wondered about the reliability of Mitsubishi cars but I don’t know much about them other than I’ve heard that Toyota owns a big part of Mitsubishi. Maybe they are reliable too? Thank you!
Yeah Toyota, Honda, hyundai and Mazda are probably most of the original Asian car manufacturers left. Hyundai and Kia did originate from Mitsubishi engines initially when the Koreans needed a engine for their cars but now the engine since around 2001 has been Korean designed and altered and actually at least from 01 to 10 ish arguably the most reliable hyundai engines ever and surpassed easily Mitsubishi in overall reliability while Mitsubishis were never known to be that reliable they were definitely better in the 90s
My only complaint with my Ioniq hybrid was the transmission. Gas mileage was awesome though, i regularly got over 58mpg (with the plug in version). Toyota's system does seem much more elegant and smooth
I've had cars from big three and Toyota. In recent years I've had Hyundai. I agree with most of what you've said except the AWD and the interior. #1) Rav4's AWD, for example, can't hold a candle to my 2021 Santa Fe. The Rav would be slipping around, trying to send traction to the right wheel. The Santa Fe system is tremendous. Touch the gas, and it digs in. #2) The Hyundai's interior, fit and finish is luxurious in comparison to plane jane Toyota. #3) Finally, I hardly notice the engine strart on my Hyundai hybrid.
I am a subscriber and fan of the Car Care Nut but I believe this video should be revised or redone because the video makes incorrect and misleading statements about the Hyundai hybrid system. AMD states that what Hyundai calls the starter generator (SG) is not a motor. Of course it is a motor. He also states that it does not charge the hybrid battery. If not, what does? Regen braking is not sufficient to charge the hybrid batteries. There must be another source. In Toyotas, MG1 does that. Please clarify how Hyundai accomplishes that need. I have tried to find the answer. Hyundai doesn't explain it. I found one video that states the SG charges the 12v battery and another that say it charges the hybrid battery. AMD, it would be great if you could clarify this. I suppose that it could be said that the SG is not part of the hybrid system but, if not, where does it's generator output go and, again, how does the hybrid battery get charged?
Love your takes, Brother. There’s just no replacement for Toyota’s 25 years of proven real world experience building and running hybrids. Didn’t realize the Hyundai/Kia system uses an alternator, starter and has drive belts! Thanks for taking the time to clarify. As a owner of Toyota hybrids now for 8 years, there really isn’t anything better.
I like hyundai and Toyota and this really surprised me and opened my eyes as to where hyundai seems to be heading down a planned obsolescence route which is crazy considering how reliable the early 2000 to 2010 models were. Maybe that bmw guy that works for them now improved handling but made everything else German engineering added for planned obsolescence
People like to say “Toyota are always late to roll out new features…etc.” Hate it or love it, Toyota does a lot of quality testing before implementing features in their vehicles. That’s why Toyota has the best all around reliability numbers.
It's just that Toyota is living more on the present than the far fetched dreamy and pushy concept of fully electric vehicles aka Tesla. Toyota don't run on hype and promise and don't get ahead of themselves. They just apply their tech to current market needs.
Great video. The is exactly the type of mechanical comparison video that I am looking for. For me, the score would be 7-0 because reliability is everything. I think Toyota eCVT, which consists of only gears like in a differential, should be more reliable than regular transmission. Also, I am not convince about the long term reliability of turbo engines. Unlike Toyota, I feel Hyundai tend to rush their products to market before they are ready. I think comparing Toyota and Honda hybrid systems would be interesting. I look forward to more video like this. Thanks.
apparently comparable Hyundai and Kia vehicles ( Tuscon, etc.) are already experiencing transmission longevity issues, so you are bang on with your comment.
I work in the parts department at a Toyota dealership and it's very infrequent that we even see hybrid batteries come in.. when we do it's usually for an older model Prius.
I view my Toyota hybrid as an electric car with gasoline assist. When the gasoline assist comes up through the planetary gearset I have no desire for "shifts" or any other glitches in the delivery of the assist.
I drive Toyota Hybrid since 2013 Auris (in Europe), 2 x Corolla Touring Sports and currently the Corolla Cross. Perfect vehicles. Really satisfied after 350.000+ kms👍
I totally agree to this comparison. I chose a hyundai Ionic hybrid as my new company lease car. I wanted a hybrid, coming from a Ford diesel. Sadly enough Toyota was not on the list, only Hyundai. Having read all there was to read about the Ionic hybrid and having seen a shitload of TH-cam drive tests I thought it would be a good choice. Although it is a good car it's also very disappointing. The so called advantage of the 6 speed box compared to the Toyota cvt is no advantage at all. The gear changes are slow and sluggish unless you drive at a VERY slow pace. In normal mode, eco mode thus as it lacs an actual normal mode, the reactions are so sluggish, regardless if you're in electric mode or in engine mode, most of the time it will stay in a totally inappropriate gear meaning that acceleration is almost not existant. Only on very rare occasions is will react as expected. The sports mode is a joke as well as it will retain each gear much to long meaning that is will push the engine in high revs while you're already passed the sweet spot on the power/tork balance. In short the Hyundai system lacks all the refinement that Toyota currently has. Toyota hybrids are really zen to drive and in the current iterations also effortless. I'm still happy with my Hyundai but if I would have had the choice of selecting a Toyota I would not have hesitated for a second to choose a proper hybrid, a Toyota thus.
You have the best videos. I like how you aren't biased even when a competitor manufacturer lends you a car to challenge toyota. I have 2021 prius and still on first tank of gas since mid October. Good job my friend.
Toyota's synergy drive is the superior Hybrid technology without question. It's extremely clever and delivers serious results, not to mention lasts a really long time when maintained and driven in all but the most extreme climate. The only disadvantage is the inability to shut the engine completely off at too high of a road speed due to pinion rotational speeds within the power split device.
Our 2022 Rav4 hybrid AWD is very well sorted, everything works seamlessly, fuel economy over 20,000km is 5.9 litres per 100k, lots of freeway driving plenty of rural roads and a fair bit of heavy duty city traffic. It is a very good car.
Hyundai may have a leg up with the 6 speed, but the smoothness of the system is way more important! This reinforces my belief that Toyota can’t be beat when it comes to hybrids!
When I had compared the 2022 Prius Prime and the 2022 Ioniqu Plug In I was thinking maybe the old school transmission would be better but I'm glad I went with the Prius Prime because Toyota hands down is the king at building hybrid and electric vehicles.
@@maga6319 Not after watching this video. I still think the elantra hybrid looks beautiful, but now hearing about how each of their different hybrid systems works..it makes more sense to enjoy the longevity and simplicity of toyota engineering.
I’m old school for the most part. Naturally aspirated motors are my choice. Keeping things simple is my mindset…..less moving parts the better. No turbos for me or superchargers or AWD’s for that matter. A few years back my mechanic at the time told me buy anything but Hyundai. I went on to buy a cheap Chevy Cobalt which I got the most out of then a month before I bought my current car I had to put $2k into the car. Now I own a 2017 Toyota Camry XLE and couldn’t be happier. I like the six speed transmission over the new 8 speeds at least for now. First Toyota I’ve owned and likely not my last. Wanted an Avalon but I made the right choice.
If you follow the Offroading Mechanic's channel, he's a tech working in a Hyundai dealership, and in one video, he mentioned that the front axels for the Elantra are no thicker than his finger!
eCVTs are much more efficient and actually have good acceleration from a roll. Toyota hybrid is a clean sheet design. Hyundai hybrids are just modified conventional cars )
@rncondie I thought automatic transmissions use planetary gears but they use hydraulic fluid, torque converter and other moving parts. I always saw a ecvt as a much simple tranmission with the planetary gears
After Hyundai still to this day (a 10+ year issue) have the same issues with some of their gas model vehicles catching on fire, etc.. i would never ever touch them. Hopefully the Hybrids are reliable. Great video AMD as always, your videos made me decide on a Rav 4 Hybrid last year
Toyota's system is so much better. I love the eCVT and the real 2 motor set up. I like their is no drive belts either. Honda's 2 motor hybrid system is just as good though in my opinion but just different. I rode in a Honda Clarity and it was so smooth and quiet. Their old IMA system was awful though.
Yeah. In his recent video on RAV4 Prime Review, he says toyota extended the warranty on "cars affected" to 8 years /100K but I don't see an official announcement from them on it.
Toyota patented their geartrain design with planetary gears which is the most efficient and elegant. Other just can't copy. Honda had struggled with their hybrid as well with clutch and solenoid which never could match the efficiency of Toyota.
We own a Camry Hybrid 2102, and a 2022 Tucson Blue. I enjoyed this report. However, 2 glaring omissions. For Camry, it has an Atkinson Cycle engine, the Hyundai is an Otto. The Camry engine at 1 year or 10,000 miles has oil like new. That has to be good for longevity. The Hyundai has a much better warranty, the powertrain is 10 years or 100,000 miles. That will help with running costs. I much prefer the Tucson's 6 speed box to Camry's ECVT. I disagree with his comment about smoothness. The Tucson is very smooth indeed, ad much better to drive than the Camry. Both are great cars, but the big weakness with both is emergency braking, where you press the pedal hard and as the regen braking changes to the disc brakes, nothing happens! This is alarming to be honest.
Awesome video ! Based on your prior Camry hybrid videos we purchased a new 2022 Camry XSE Hybrid in the spring of 2022 and absolutely love the car ! This video is very reassuring that we made a good decision. Almost 10,000 miles already and now getting 50-60 MPG. I am following your advice of oil changes every 5,000 miles along with any other suggested maintenance. Thank you for putting such great videos on TH-cam and May the Lord bless you as well !! (From Phoenix AZ)
50 to 60 mpg in a Camry that is NOT a plug-in hybrid like the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime is amazing. I've never owned a Camry, but my Prius Prime, which is a PHEV, gets only slightly better fuel economy than your Camry, typically 60~65 mpg! You made a great choice. If Camry came in a hatchback instead of only a sedan version, I'd probably have owned one at some point.
I watched the whole video knowing the entire time I would never purchase a hyundai let alone one of their hybrid trash cans. What I do want to comment on is your TREMENDOUS ability to withhold exactly what you were thinking about it and not just flat out trash it the entire video! haha
The best video since moving into the new shop! While I still prefer the step-by-step how to's (which wouldn't be a bad idea to repeat some of the old material in the new shop, a la Scotty), this is much more to the point and enlightening. Hope this puts you on a roll.
We own two Rav 4 Primes. What amazes me is when not in EV our 4,300 lb SUV nets 42 mpg on the freeway driving 70 mph. Think about that 4,300 lbs of mass traveling 70 mph netting 42 mpg. That is amazing our Rav 4 Primes weigh as much as our 1/2 ton 4x4 Chevrolet pickup that nets 15 mpg.
My friend bought a RAV4 Prime in January of 2021, she loved it so much that she bought 2 more for her children. She camped out at the dealership on the days they thought some might arrive, first come, first serve.
Sorry for the delay replying to your question. I just came across this channel. We bought the first one Aug 2020 Ontario Oregon. Paid $40,100 or $600 under MSRP. $7,500 tax credit for 2020 tax year. July 2021 bought our second 2021 Rav 4 Prime SE Medford Oregon. Paid $42,200 or about $170 over MSRP Another $7,500 tax credit 2021 tax year. We live in Utah and we flew to the nearest airport and the dealers picked us up. Best automobiles we have ever owned and they are both paid off and I am not rich just smart with our money. I did not camp out. I just worked the phone and gave them $1,000 over the phone with my credit card and delivered a cashiers check the day we flew in to drive home. It was fun. My wife and I made a vacation out of the Medford trip and visited the Redwoods. I also managed to secure a third Rav 4 Prime for my nephew from Medford Oregon. He loves it.
True, indeed. Before buying Corolla Hybrid, I have tested 2021 Hyunday Ioniq hybrid. Indeed, felt like a normal car when shifting - 6 speed DCT transmission, very fast at shifting gears - and also very prone to keep the thermal engine at low RPM, unless you hit the gas pedal hard either shift to sport mode. But in heavy traffic and very slow speed moving, you could feel DCT shifting like a mad man, 1st, 2nd,1st, 2nd... extremely undecided, trying all the time to keep the engine at the lowest RPM. And that take a toll on the clutch, unfortunately, beside killing the pleasure to drive it. "cause you feel all those repetitive changes, in those specific conditions. To sum it up, Ioniq was swift, more engaged and nice to drive, but little more expensive at dealership final price (about 2000 USD more) and definitely more expensive to maintain it over the years because of high maintenance prices on DCT gears...
I test drove a Hyundai hybrid and, although it was nice, I hated the transmission compared to the Prius. It felt really klunky and not smooth at all. Toyota for the win!
I have an 2014 Avalon Hybrid, had a 2016 Sonata Hybrid, and have a 2023 ES 300h. I think you are exaggerating the kick in of the ICE in the Hyundais - it is very smooth when turning on and has a limited lag. I wonder if the lag is made worse by the turbo charged engine as the 2016 Sonata has a naturally aspirated 2.0 L engine - so wondering if you get both a HSG starter lag and the turbo lag - making it worse.
My coworkers brand new Hyundai at 4,000 miles needed towed to dealer. My other coworkers Kia needed a new engine at 90k. If they can't even get a gas car to run reliably, how could I trust them making hybrids?
I started watching AMD's videos about a month or two before we put down our deposit on a 2022 Rav4 |Hybrid Limited back in the first week of Nov. 2022. Long story short, after a stressful wait we got our new 2023 Rav4 Hybrid Limited on Match 19th 2023 although it was not the one we ordered but was ordered at the same dealership on the same day. Exact same vehicle but gray instead of red but the people who ordered it backed out in October 2022. Love this vehicle so far but due to AMD's well done videos and rare quality of total unbiased honesty I am quite sure this vehicle will give us many years of reliable service and great fuel consumption. I read lots of the comments on these videos and the " fear" of hybrid battery longevity is pretty much gone. My biggest concern is that AMD is "out on his own" and will no longer be privy to the latest information that only a Toyota Mechanic will be getting first hand. One important question, please. CABLEGATE!!!!!!! has the 2023 Rav4 Hybrid had the moisture and corrosion issue with the power cable's plug on the rar electric motor resolved with a better design or does it still only have a "drain" to allow moisture to escape?
@Daniel G I don’t see that. When the hybrid battery goes, it will cost $5K+ for a new battery. Don’t fall for the $1000 remanufactered junk… there’s still a bunch of old cells inside not replaced. Basically by the time you’re Hybrid is 20 years old you will have had to put like $5K in hybrid battery repairs. I’ve seen people drive Camry’s & Corollas for 30 years with no repairs that were over $1500. Those old Camrys were golden. Limited electronics, could last pretty much forever. I still l see them all over the place. Even though they are pushing 30 years old. Mechanical components in most vehicles, last way longer than electrical components, ESPECIALLY, & I mean ESPECIALLY, Volkswagen. Toyota the whole car is usually built good everywhere. My point is, complexity is the enemy of reliability. Someone calling a hybrid “simple” needs to take a course on them specifically. Way more electrical stuff to go wrong, not DIY friendly, I can work on my 2006 Matrix myself, repairs myself (cheap repairs) but I won’t touch my mom’s Prius, too complex, you need to know what the heck your doing with that hybrid stuff.
As someone who owns both 2020 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid and 2022 Toyota Corolla hybrid, I can definitely say Toyota's system is still the best and simpler to operate. Driving on the same routes, my Corolla consistently gets 15-20% better MPGs compared to the Ioniq. I am, in fact, contemplating to trade my Ioniq with the soon-upcoming all-new Prius.
Thank you for your inputs on this, I was contemplating on that Ionic 5 because of the looks. I'll go with Toyota instead as always.
New prius!!! Woot can't wait
@@jeancassel The Ioniq 5 is a full-battery EV though. So, you cannot really compare it to Toyota's hybrids. In fact, I think the Ioniq 5 is the best-looking battery EVs in the market at the moment. It also has been quite a sale success for Hyundai. I have seen a lot of Ioniq 5s on the road. They seem to be the 2nd most frequently spotted EVs, after the Teslas.
@@AmericanRoads Indeed, you are right, full EV. Now i'm back to the drawing board, I guess I'll have to wait and see what the new prius will be like, and go from there. Thank you for reminding me that it was full EV man.
@@jeancassel You own an Ioniq but had to be reminded that it is not a hybrid? 🤡
As a technician Toyota is the gold standard in hybrid technology and no other manufacturer has ever come close to the performance, refinement, reliability, longevity and quality powertrain.
Ford licensed the tech from Toyota. All Ford hybrid models are similar to Toyota design. Toyota now copied the same hybrid setup used on the F150 powerboost for their redesigned Tundra. But yes, Ford weak spot is that they still have to work with UAW, thus lower QA.
Would you consider Lexus in the same category?
@@411sponge72 yes Toyota and Lexus are the same company just different names.
What about honda?
@@marcinnalepka1530 Honda has their own version of hybrid powertrain it did not become popular as the Prius in the 2000 and I think Honda fail at the time but Honda is trying again to dominate the hybrid market with a new refined version of hybrid technology but time will tell if they can stand up to Toyota gold standard for hybrid technology.
I purchased a 2022 corolla hybrid last winter...one of the smartest decisions of my life
Lies again? AIA Money White Face USD SGD
My first hybrid was a 2000 Toyota Prius (purchased in September 1999) which had 204,000 miles on it when I traded it in on a used 2010 Toyota Prius with 26K miles on it. The 2000 Prius was small, however, it served me well and I NEVER did anything to the brakes except change the brake fluid a few times in the 12 years of ownership! My 2010 Prius currently has 150,000 miles on it and is going strong. I recently purchased a 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE for my wife with 129,000 miles on it. It now has 160,000 miles on it and is going strong. I really love Toyota Hybrids!
My 2013 Lexus RX450h hybrid has 145k miles on it and it still drives like new. The battery has 95% health and the only issues I've had was a faulty O2 sensor and a taillight was replaced. I follow the maintenance schedule - changed the fluids, third set of brakes and tires - that's it. It still averages over 27mpg in the city. It's been a pleasure to own and drive and when it comes time for a new car it will definitely be another Lexus hybrid.
@@BSD2000 How do you measure the battery health?
I also have a 2009 Prius itec and love love love my car. Never ever had any issues with it but need to upgrade as I’ve had 3 kids since I bought this car and they are very squished in the back seat. I love the look of the Hyundai Tuscan but it’s just not a Toyota. I wish the rav 4 cruiser looked better but I’ll still probably buy the Toyota over the Hyundai purely for the fact that it’s a Toyota lol.
My 2015 Prius has 112,600 miles and runs like a champ. Never gave me any issues & I drive it sort of hard sometimes. My next vehicle will definitely be another Toyota. I recommend them to everyone. UPDATE 08/23/24-My prius now has 142,912 miles & still runs great, no issues whatsoever. I will be changing my brakes & rotors on Monday along with the ball joints. Replacing wear & tear parts & general maintenance is keeping my prius running like a champ.
Here on this chanel there is a video of a Prius Prime with 341000 miles still looling and running as new which is crazy. The only differens from the regular is the plug-in option so no reason for the normal Prius to be less reliable. Toyota just makes the best cars.
@@venelinkeremedchiev9643 I'm hoping my Prius will get to 341k with no issues. I maintain it as best as possible.
My 2013 Prius knocked at 128K miles. Longo Toyota purchased and serviced every 4 K miles. Toyota refused to replace the engine. Toyota never again
@@akusitaaiai2215 The 2015 Prius had all the bugs taken care of from the past. It has different piston rings and something else that prevents it from oil burning. Sorry to hear you had issues, I have a 05 4Runner from Longo that has close to 230k miles. Longo back then was advising people not to change the transmission fluid so we never did during service appointments. I got way past the point of servicing the transmission so we never did but thankfully we never had transmission issues & it runs fine.
@@akusitaaiai2215 one in a million
We've owned 3 Toyota Hybrids all of which have been totally trouble free. Last year I sold my 2013 Camry Hybrid with 185,000km on the clock to purchase the 2021 model, the man that bought it was going to use it as his second taxi. That 2013 car was running just as good as the day I bought it.
Toyota's greatest strength is that it has Toyota reliability. Hyundai's greatest weakness is, well, Hyundai. I've known Toyota, Ford and Honda owners who drive their vehicles for 15-25 years. I've never known a Hyundai owner who owned their vehicle for more than 8 years. My wife is still driving her Ford Escape that she bought for college. It turns 20 next year. We just gave a family member a 1995 Ford Explorer that my parents gave me. That person drove it across the country and it still drives extremely well (with more than 350K miles on it).
Ford isn't the same Ford anymore... Their Ecoboost engines have issues
I bought a new Elantra in 2005(for $13,500) and it is still my primary car. Gets as good of gas mileage as a RAV4 hybrid and I have never had to replace the brakes. A manual transmission gives you many of the advantages of a hybrid at a fraction of the cost.
So far, I have less than $1000 sunk into it in repairs.
@@shawn1869 - Good point. I am hesitant to buy one because of it. I read a journal article about the dangers of government policies pushing "green" change too rapidly -- and it cited the problems with Ecoboost engines (and how those problems end up costing even more than even the inflated prices of the vehicles due to such regulation).
@@nobodyimportant7804 - That's really cool. I wonder if this is due to the specific model versus a generalization of the make?
@@nobodyimportant7804 - In fact, I really like the design of the Hyundai Santa Cruz. It's just a shame that they are priced $10K over MSRP right now in the Bay Area. I'd seriously consider test driving one.
My gf used to have a 2012 Hyundai Sonata which had oil burning at 67k miles. Hyundai gave us the run around (as expected) and tried convincing me that oil burning is normal at that mileage. She quickly sold it and we now have a 2019 Rav4 hybrid. Couldn't be happier with it. Great car.
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thats funny you mention that my mom had 2016 hyundai santa fe and it started to burn oil as well, my mom kept going to the dealer and kept telling her its fine,she finished paying it off and bought a corolla instead shes happier then she ever
Hyundai dealers in USA are complete idiots.
@@ghoulbuster1 we were so happy to go to Toyota. Come to find out there is a lawsuit out for Hyundai for those engines.
Everytime my gf sees a Hyundai she says "never again".
Not good for a newish car brand trying to establish themselves. I wanted them to do well, but this experience left a bad impression.
@@MrKaystew I am always for competition but Hyundai/Kia doesn’t have the track record of improving their engines, in fact, their pre 2010s engines were better imo in terms of reliability and ease of work. So the fact their new engines are giving problems along with their ever increasing prices, I wouldn’t really trust them for another decade. Same as nissan which right now is the most bland car anyone can buy, they have nothing good or bad for their late model cars.
I convinced my husband to purchase a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid after our daughter totaled our 2016 Ford Escape. I really wanted an all electric vehicle, specifically the Volkswagen ID4, but after test-driving the RAV4 Hybrid, I was in love 😍!!!
My husband was skeptical at first, but after reviewing research, and seeing the high demand for the RAV4 Hybrid, he also became convinced!! We were blessed to secure our RAV4 below the market rate in our area, and we are TRUE believers in Toyota’s hybrid vehicles!! Here’s to 38 MPG’s!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Just replaced the hybrid battery pack on my Lexus es300h. At 271,000 miles. It’s the same Nimh battery as the Avalon and Camry. Cost $2,000 total for the install which was performed in less than an hour, in my driveway.
@@RobertFWWhitlock what year was your Lexus ?
@@jeedwards1981 2015
Very glad I made the right choice on a RAV4. My previous car was a Hyundai. They were trying to convince me how great the Hyundai hybrids are but IMO can’t beat Toyota who pioneered the technology.
It’s just the design decisions of hyundai especially having that bmw Audi German guy working for them now that’s messing them
Up. Early 2000 to 2010 Hyundais were very reliable. The design choices now seem to be planned obsolescence.
You can't really say that Toyota is better because it pioneered the technology. Toyota and Hyundai use radically different technologies as this video explains.
@@ltu42 I think you can because Toyota has way more experience with hybrids. Yes, they use different technology and think Toyota made better choice. Hyundai is still in its infancy.
@@ltu42Iterative refinements = superior results
As a technician myself all I will say is the Toyota Hybrid design engineers are geniuses as they have designed a very complex system that is extremely reliable and easy to use for the owners, it really doesn't get any better, I love mine and and will continue to replace like with like when I need or want to.
Lifetime mechanic here - I'm so old I remember when Japanese cars began to be popular in America, that was in the late 60's, and I remember lots of crappy things about those cars. I also remember when Korea began selling cars here, and how crappy Hyundais were in the mid-80's.
Now we are in the 21st century, and things have changed. Korean cars are no longer a joke, and Japanese cars are considered some of the best.
A family member bought a new Prius and loved it until the battery needed changing, about 150,000 miles - that was a few thousand $$. Shortly after that the generator/starter died, and THAT was a few thousand $$ too. Then she replaced that car with a new Subaru. Why not another new Toyota? I don't know.
Car Nuts remember that a starter that uses a belt is a lot cheaper to replace than a giant starter/generator that costs a few thousand $$, and also consider that a smaller turbo engine is easier to crank over than a bigger non-turbo, because of lower compression.
As for this comparison, I notice that the initial purchase price is not a consideration. Ouch.
Yes, the Koreans are not as sophisticated as the Japanese - at least not right now.
Hybrids are pretty complicated and they got it right from the beginning. I would not trust any other brand with this technology.
Honda's latest rendition of hybrid technology is respectable too. I still prefer Toyota's system though.
@@clover7359 Didn't they borrow from Toyota? Lol
@@clover7359 Their first effort was a freaking disaster.
hybrids arent even worth the trouble for the vast majority of drivers and I wouldnt trust any of them in harsh winter climates longterm
@@WINDSORTOWNSAV not really. I would watch Alex on auto video about it, he has a good explanation.
I still drive my 2005 Camry that I bought used. Almost 20 years old with north of 350,000 kms. Solid, smooth and refined. Incredible car. Toronto Canada
I actually bought a Toyota (Lexus) hybrid for the transmission, its the ultimate form to move a car. No extra parts, just smooth gliding.
And it allows Toyota to load the petrol engine optimally most of the time to minimise fuel consumption. That can't be done with a conventional trans.
Owner of 2020 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid. You do NOT feel the engine engage/disengage at all. It is also done very quickly, pretty much instantly. Love the channel but not all facts on this one. Never drove that SUV but don't lump them all together. My dad owns a Lincoln and says he can't believe how quiet and smooth my Ioniq is. This seems like a shill for Toyota. I rented a prius, it was nice. My Ioniq has better acceleration and gas mileage.
I was always wondering why New York city Uber Lift drivers use mostly Toyota Hybrid cars! So you answered this question- Toyota just better and reliable. Toyota makes millions of cars. I'm happy to own Toyota and looking forward to get new plugging Hybrid Toyota SUV in future.
The Prius is the new Crown Victoria. Slow(yes, the ‘Vic has a V8 but it’s slow for one - cops were getting outrun with Hondas and even minivans. The P71 cop ‘Vic just has a heavy-duty suspension, driveshaft, cooling and all the cop ECU does is delete the immobilizer and speed limiter), ugly but like a cockroach, it’s hard to kill one.
My daughter is Lexus Hyrids from 2013 and still going strong.
Incredible video, as a Toyota hybrid owner, I had no clue they are so different.
When my friend bough Hyundai i30 Mild Hybrid - I said to him: It must be so nice, it does not even have alternator ... and many other things that can go wrong.
I30 is IMHO still a good, really cheap, car, but man it is different than I expected.
As an owner of a 2008 Toyota Highlander hybrid, Toyota’s system is exceptional. My vehicle has 290,000 miles on it with original hybrid battery. Other than timing belts (plugs / water pump / tensioner changed at same time) and routine maintenance items (oil, filters, transmission fluid chamges), NO unplanned maintenance or repairs to the drivetrain. Original brakes were still good at 170k miles; changed anyway out of concern with age. The planetary gear transmission, while different than a regular transmission, does not generate much heat, requires very little in maintenance (extended fluid changes), and is engineered to outlast the vehicle. It is also extremely smooth and provides great engine braking (and charging) when towing or in mountain areas. Best vehicle i have ever had with 12 years of ownership (i paid essentially half the cost of a new model when i bought it with 65k miles in 2011). I just pulled the front valve cover…upper valvetrain has zero visible wear, zero sludge, and minimal staining / carbon on the top of the valve cover. I am convinced that i could double the mileage and it would still be fine. An exceptionally well engineered car. And I have rowed many CARS with this vehicle (using a dolly and a full car trailer) countless times.
Lots of hybrid comparison videos out there, but nice to see one focusing on maintenance issues. Thanks.
I actually learned to love the ultra smooth stageless eCVT. I think most people will get used to it just fine and it's just weird at first because we're used to transmissions with fixed gears. I really wouldn't want a car that has a transmission with fixed gears again after driving my Yaris Hybrid for 7 months. I also think Toyota has really tackled the "rubber band effect" with Gen 4 of their hybrid systems. I once drove a Yaris Hybrid Gen 3 and my Gen 4 is so much nicer to drive, reacts quicker, has more power, doesn't take the rpms as high as quickly.
Honda also has a new, modern hybrid system which appears to be very efficient and we'll thought out. Unfortunately it simulates gears under heavy acceleration and you just have no choice over if you want that or not.
Yes, spot on! For me it is 7-0. The eCVT is great. x-gear transmissions are really old school. People don't like it because they are used to the shifting stuff. But once you get used to the eCVT there is no smoother ride. And really stupid is when manufacturers introduce shifts electronically into an eCVT. 7-0 definitely.
I bought a Toyota Corolla hybrid in 2021. Estimated 52- 51 miles per gal. I get consistently between 60 to 71 miles per gal. I don't drive like granny either. I remember my first service, I mentioned my gas mileage, they responded... yeah they underestimate the miles per gallon. Awesome car !!
Yep, just bought a second hand 2019 corolla with about 37k miles on it and it's much better than advertised as far as consumption goes
my former RX400H reached 515 000 kms (more than 300 000 miles), the hybrid planetary gearbox is just impossible to destroy - they last forever as long as you maintain them
The new 5th gen Prius with its hyper sexy, sleek design, 0-60 in 6.0 sec and 57mpg answers the question.
I’m a hybrid certified Hyundai technician. The HSG belt is actually a common failure on Hyundai’s hybrids. Their service interval is 30k miles…and the dual tensioner setup is a bitch to work with
Hi the 2024 version is the same?
Really high-quality content and coverage, thank you for doing the service of helping remain informed buyers. Excellent work!
Driving a Kia hybrid with the DCT was so clunky compared to my Corolla hybrid. I would be interested to see a video on the Honda hybrid system compared to Toyota as well.
What do you think of the Carolla Hybrid?
@@manny4491 ive had my Corolla hybrid for a year. And it's en extremely efficient vehicle but very simple from the inside I do suggest going for the more equipped version coming i think next year.
Same I want to see Toyota/Honda hybrids. Just purchased Accord Hybrid haha
@@verynick Get Toyota now, Honda is not reliable, hehe. Just kidding, they are both great.
@@manny4491 I really like my Corolla hybrid; I bought it used a year ago and it drives very smooth even with higher mileage. I do wish Toyota sold them with the 2.0l engine because it is pretty slow but it is efficient and kinda fun to drive.
Toyota is the king of hybrid cars and trucks . And the car nut guy and scotty Kilmer are the best TH-cam automotive mechanics that people learn from,
Keep up the great work car nut guy
AMD, Those who can afford to be guinea pigs with other brands' hybrid experiments are welcome to buy them and hope for the best. Like you did with your Camry, I would spend my hard earned money on Toyota's proven track record of Hybrid expertise.😁
Right and this car care “nut” is a hypocrite because Toyota has a big lawsuit going on where they aren’t covering the circuit and hybrid wiring catching fire and people paying upto 7000 or more out of pocket and not being covered by Toyota. Every brand makes mistakes and Toyota is not perfect. Me personally I’ve had less issue with my Hyundais than Toyotas
@@robmalcolm8042 This is what is known as a straw man argument. Nobody said Toyota Hybrids are perfect. AMD has produced numerous videos dealing with Toyota's Hybrid issues. If you want to launch a personal attack on AMD, please show enough BACKBONE to post your own original comment.
@@robmalcolm8042 Where did you read that hybrid circuits and wiring catching fire? I believe the lawsuit is for cable corrosion due to the connector being inverted and retaining water. Toyota has now promised to cover this fix and have extended this to pre2022 models. Which Hyundai and Toyota models have you had and what issues were you encountering"?
@ŽAID DIAŽ (ⰆⰀⰋⰄ ⰄⰋⰀⰆ) lmao no one paid me for anything I had a 05 Elantra made in Korea didn’t have any issues I got a 07 Prius and have done way more work to it than I ever did the Elantra. Also had a Tucson and now palisade since I have a family and it’s been very reliable considering the lambda v6 in it is also used in the genesis models for years and haven’t had issues. I like Toyota as well I’m not hating but everyone and their mother points a finger at hyundai who is 40 years younger than Toyota yet still has improved alot for what they were in the 90s yet if Toyota has issues they ignored and “now” agreed to fixing because they have no “choice” to now it’s not a big deal oh it rarely happens with Toyota I’ve seen plenty of people have issues with Toyota they aren’t perfect usually japan and Korean made cars are better than the same car that’s made here or in Canada so i usually stick to that being a better choice
@@rightlanehog3151 it is an original comment because it’s a fact. Just like all the facts that people talk about hyundai or not the rav 4 fires from the regular gasoline rav 4s compartment fires that also wasn’t too long ago. People are always talking about hyundai not acknowledging most issues were related to a engine that’s already discontinued. Theta 3 or smartstream and lambda engines have been a lot more reliable.
We are a Toyota family. We drive a 2014 Camry Hybrid and a 2021 RAV4 Hybrid. I agree with all you detailed about Toyota. I have not heard much positive about Hyundai. (Their gas models have improved a lot from the 90s.) I wouldn't exchange a Hyundai for a Toyota for ANYTHING! Our cars so far haven't cost us anything for maintenance except tires and brakes (2014 Camry), as well as normal oil (5,000 mi.) and transmission fluid change.
Proud to own three Toyota hybrids! Great video, thanks AMD!
The eAWD from Toyota is pure genius. I owned a 2003 Prius, an excellent car, but I sold it when we moved to Colorado. We needed AWD. My next car will be Toyota. I wish you were my mechanic!
I have a 21 Venza, bought it March of 21. It has certainly exceeded my expectations. The only problem for me is that the MPGs go from 40 to 25 during extreme cold winters in Wisconsin. But if I go on a long enough trip, the heat in the cabin will eventually warm the battery and it will work it's way up to 40.
I have to say that I’ve noticed something similar with the Toyota RAV4 hybrid. The mpg does suffer the colder it is outside because the computer notices a lost in capacity on the battery and it’s constantly turning off the battery (the more the gas engine turns on when it otherwise wouldn’t, the less MPG overall). But as long as the temperature is probably above 40°F any Toyota hybrid will be close to or better than advertised when it comes to MPG as long as you’re not driving me crazy
Ours drops also but car is garage. It's the fact the nine coolant heats the cabin
You use more gas because the engine coolant heats the cabin. The gas engine has to run more to compensate
ICE cars are worse, just that the vehicle doesn't tell you that.
@@dstr1 lmao clown. Tesla has the worst reliability and quality issues
Have a 2021 Sienna Hybrid. We just purchased a 2024 Tuscon Hybrid and love it. We have not experienced or felt any of the lag you talked about. The smaller battery in the Toyota is a Nickle Hydrate where as the Hyundai is a Lithium. They obviously did some improvements.
And it all started with the Prius. The true trailblazer 👍👍
And Prius means beginning. I think.
I want a hybrid 4Runner which may arrive Fall, 2024. My 2011 4Runner and 2000 Maxima have been great vehicles.
Without watching the video, I allready new the outcome of this comparision 🤣 They can not beat the King !! 🥳
I’m glad the video was non biased. Can’t say the same for the comment section
This is a channel specifically for Toyota/Lexus, what were you expecting? 😁
Thank you for the hybrid reviews, we’ve all been waiting for an unbiased honest review......and congratulations on your u-tube success.
I have loved my 2020 Toyota Corolla Hybrid from day one! I wouldn't think about another brand.
Without a doubt they’re still the king of hybrids and will continue to be.
They are the king, queen, prince, princess, duke, duchess earl..............
jokes on you, i love the noise of a Hybrid Toyota.
So for me all points to Toyota, also your camry is freaking gorgeous!
I respect Hyundai for their sponsorship to review their vehicle by AMD.
They probably tried to pay as they do with other reviewers. In this case they didn't pay enough, or AMD is an even more decent person than I thought.
@@markvisser388 he works as a Toyota mechanic, doesn’t need to take money from this.
I like hyundai as much as Toyota and think he was fair and honest which is better than lying.
would've been a closer battle if you compared Toyota vs. Honda hybrid systems
I test drove a Honda. The generator provides the power to the wheels and the engine powers the generator.
It is the weirdest sensation press down the gas and their is a delay before the gas engine kicks in to send power to the generator.
Personally, I did not like that setup.
@@rncondie I own a Honda Clarity PHEV.
The gas motor can be off, it can turn a generator to provide electricity to the battery and traction motor, or can connect directly to the wheels in parallel to the electric engine.
I believe this is very similar to the Toyota system.
@@rncondie So its like a diesel-electric locomotive then lmao
I have a 2019 Accord Hybrid and I like it very much. Absolutely reliable and efficient. My Honda easily merges with freeway traffic and passes with equal ease. I respect Toyota engineering. However after test driving and comparing, we chose the Accord over a Camry. BOTH are really good cars.
Remove all subjective matter, have an average person who doesn't have their own vehicle on display, the Toyota would have had a marginal lead.
Much of this video is "Toyota has been around longer. Therefore, they win."
I have a 2023 XSE Camry Hybrid, and what makes it standout for me is its not a "plug in". I don't understand why most car companies don't go that route more.
They installed 2 plug in modules @ our Kroger a month ago. No one has used them yet!
I am also an automotive tech. I have 46 years experience. I agree with you 100% on your comparison of these Hybrid systems. I would go with Toyota over Hyundai.
I have my 2019 Camry SE Hybrid for almost 4 years and still love it a lot. It's much better than the gas version - start quicker, quieter, and has more power when you need it. I choose Toyota Hybrid over Honda Hybrid, because of its tracking record. Would love to see another video which compares Toyota Hybrid vs Honda Hybrid.
Prefer Toyota hyundai and Mazda than Honda but I haven’t seen anything bad about the Honda hybrids. I know early ones if the hybrid battery died the car became a regular gas car on the gas engine until the battery is replaced so a fail safe. Where as I think Prius always can die completely if the hybrid battery completely goes.
Just took a long cross country road trip in a Pirus. Very interesting car to drive. I'm a long time Corolla owner. I was very impressed with the new technology features of the vehicle.
The second generation of Corolla Hybrids is arriving which will make them even closer to the Prius. Having said that, I prefer the practical hatch the Prius offers as Toyota chooses not to sell the Hybrid Corolla hatch and wagon in our market.
I love that Hyunday has put in every part that I don't want to have in my car due to failure points.
A small engine, a turbocharger and a big load on the belt.
I dont know how one can think that the alternator should also start the engine.
Yeah 01 to 2010 was probably the best gen of Hyundais and Kia’s super reliable getting over 300,000 was no issue. This new gen seems to stem from the bmw guy going to hyundai which is probably why they drive so amazingly now but maybe he’s adding that German engineering that is straight planned obsolescence. It’s a shame cause hyundai has enough money and tech to make a more reliable or as reliable car as Toyota they just choose not to.
Thankyou for the comparison. Toyota built their system for the Prius and basically kept that design for many years. Why mess with success?
I don't own a hybrid or EV, but I sure do like my 2020 RAV4! Not a lot of miles on it, but a joy to drive!
Thanks for doing the comparison of these two brands. I do think the true future in automobiles is the hybrid technology or some version of it. We are so far from being able to go pure electric imo. We need to continue the pursuit of cleaner greener energy but not at all costs. A reasonable approach should be respected and accepted by all people.
I don't know why, but since around 2019 Toyota has been making its patented technology for hybrid cars available to the public for free until 2030.
Publishing the patent means other manufacturers will be able to create hybrid cars as well.
My prediction is that a new type of engine will be announced around 2030.
Another item to consider in the comparison. My understanding of the Toyota "transmission" on the hybrid is called CVT because it is continuously variable, but the technology is completely different from the common CVT employing a mechanical metal belt. Those CVT's have become an expensive maintenance nightmare. The Toyota CVT is marvel of engineering. Toyota employs a planetary gear box in a unique way whereas they are able to achieve an infinite selection of gear ratios in a simple foolproof way. Think of it as a 1000 speed automatic transmission which yields the greatest gas mileage out of the drive train. We drive a 2017 RAV4 hybrid and the only complaint we have is the rough ride. This is my understanding of the Toyota hybrid system. If I am misinformed about how it works, please set me straight.
I have a 2022 venza. Great car. Took it to Yellowstone then glacier national park. 40 miles to the gallon when I drive at 65mph. 37 at 70 to 80 mph. Dont see to many out there. Look much nicer than the rav4.
2:30 "At some point, they had V6 engines in their hybrids" The current Toyota Century is only a "mere" V8 hybrid! On a related note, regardless of which hybrid system you go for, Toyota's new eCVT transmission is probably still the best CVT that's out there, and that should factor a lot in your decision making.
Also Lexus LS600h
@@dude-yg9ez You're talking about the LS500h, right? At least, it's an improvement from using a V8 engine with a hybrid to get the supposed "V12" power.
The V6 hybrids Toyota currently offers (LS500h, Tundra, and Sequoia) are meant to replace the old V8 setup. If only Toyota can increase the motor output and battery capacity.
I own a 2017 Hyundai Sonata PHEV and a 2022 Rav4 Prime. The Hyundai is actually quieter and more refined than the Toyota..but the Hyundai has been at the dealer awaiting warranty repairs for the last 14 month.. Just won a buyback through arbitration because Hyundai refused to buyback on their own.. I would go with the Toyota.
your videos are so informative and knowledgeable, while still being approachable. thank you.
Yes, Toyota is the king of hybrid technology. They have been making hybrid systems for over 20 yrs.
I recently heard one of my colleagues telling someone to "not buy one of those fake hybrids like what toyota are because they just go 1km on battery". I have a 2015 Auris hybrid which I absolutely love and I wish more people would know more how technically superior the toyota system is compared to others.
In the USA and Canada, Toyota has very long waiting lists of customers to buy their Hybrids. Plenty of people have educated themselves about the merits of Toyota Hybrids. Toyota is doing very well in Europe and Japan selling their proven Hybrid cars.
2012 Prius Plug-In with 140,000 miles still going strong. Main batteries show no sign of degradation after 10 years. My main gripe is the "plug-in" batteries which initially gave me 12 or 13 miles of "EV", but quickly degraded to 9 or 10 after one year. Gave up on charging them. This was first gen Plug-In so I'm not that disappointed. The car overall is fantastic.
Great presentation AMD! Please consider doing Toyota vs Honda hybrid system too if you can someday! The Honda system seems a bit confusing. Also, I’ve always wondered about the reliability of Mitsubishi cars but I don’t know much about them other than I’ve heard that Toyota owns a big part of Mitsubishi. Maybe they are reliable too? Thank you!
Part of Mitsubishi is owned by Nissan. Toyota partially owns Mazda and Subaru.
Yeah Toyota, Honda, hyundai and Mazda are probably most of the original Asian car manufacturers left. Hyundai and Kia did originate from Mitsubishi engines initially when the Koreans needed a engine for their cars but now the engine since around 2001 has been Korean designed and altered and actually at least from 01 to 10 ish arguably the most reliable hyundai engines ever and surpassed easily Mitsubishi in overall reliability while Mitsubishis were never known to be that reliable they were definitely better in the 90s
He already has
My only complaint with my Ioniq hybrid was the transmission. Gas mileage was awesome though, i regularly got over 58mpg (with the plug in version). Toyota's system does seem much more elegant and smooth
I've had cars from big three and Toyota. In recent years I've had Hyundai. I agree with most of what you've said except the AWD and the interior. #1) Rav4's AWD, for example, can't hold a candle to my 2021 Santa Fe. The Rav would be slipping around, trying to send traction to the right wheel. The Santa Fe system is tremendous. Touch the gas, and it digs in. #2) The Hyundai's interior, fit and finish is luxurious in comparison to plane jane Toyota. #3) Finally, I hardly notice the engine strart on my Hyundai hybrid.
I am a subscriber and fan of the Car Care Nut but I believe this video should be revised or redone because the video makes incorrect and misleading statements about the Hyundai hybrid system. AMD states that what Hyundai calls the starter generator (SG) is not a motor. Of course it is a motor. He also states that it does not charge the hybrid battery. If not, what does? Regen braking is not sufficient to charge the hybrid batteries. There must be another source. In Toyotas, MG1 does that. Please clarify how Hyundai accomplishes that need.
I have tried to find the answer. Hyundai doesn't explain it. I found one video that states the SG charges the 12v battery and another that say it charges the hybrid battery. AMD, it would be great if you could clarify this.
I suppose that it could be said that the SG is not part of the hybrid system but, if not, where does it's generator output go and, again, how does the hybrid battery get charged?
Love your takes, Brother. There’s just no replacement for Toyota’s 25 years of proven real world experience building and running hybrids. Didn’t realize the Hyundai/Kia system uses an alternator, starter and has drive belts! Thanks for taking the time to clarify. As a owner of Toyota hybrids now for 8 years, there really isn’t anything better.
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I like hyundai and Toyota and this really surprised me and opened my eyes as to where hyundai seems to be heading down a planned obsolescence route which is crazy considering how reliable the early 2000 to 2010 models were. Maybe that bmw guy that works for them now improved handling but made everything else German engineering added for planned obsolescence
People like to say “Toyota are always late to roll out new features…etc.”
Hate it or love it, Toyota does a lot of quality testing before implementing features in their vehicles. That’s why Toyota has the best all around reliability numbers.
It's just that Toyota is living more on the present than the far fetched dreamy and pushy concept of fully electric vehicles aka Tesla. Toyota don't run on hype and promise and don't get ahead of themselves. They just apply their tech to current market needs.
Great video. The is exactly the type of mechanical comparison video that I am looking for. For me, the score would be 7-0 because reliability is everything. I think Toyota eCVT, which consists of only gears like in a differential, should be more reliable than regular transmission. Also, I am not convince about the long term reliability of turbo engines. Unlike Toyota, I feel Hyundai tend to rush their products to market before they are ready. I think comparing Toyota and Honda hybrid systems would be interesting. I look forward to more video like this. Thanks.
apparently comparable Hyundai and Kia vehicles ( Tuscon, etc.) are already experiencing transmission longevity issues, so you are bang on with your comment.
When it comes to reliability and price of maintenance, the more you do to an engine like add turbos ect the more cost.
I work in the parts department at a Toyota dealership and it's very infrequent that we even see hybrid batteries come in.. when we do it's usually for an older model Prius.
I view my Toyota hybrid as an electric car with gasoline assist. When the gasoline assist comes up through the planetary gearset I have no desire for "shifts" or any other glitches in the delivery of the assist.
I drive Toyota Hybrid since 2013 Auris (in Europe), 2 x Corolla Touring Sports and currently the Corolla Cross. Perfect vehicles. Really satisfied after 350.000+ kms👍
I totally agree to this comparison. I chose a hyundai Ionic hybrid as my new company lease car. I wanted a hybrid, coming from a Ford diesel. Sadly enough Toyota was not on the list, only Hyundai. Having read all there was to read about the Ionic hybrid and having seen a shitload of TH-cam drive tests I thought it would be a good choice. Although it is a good car it's also very disappointing. The so called advantage of the 6 speed box compared to the Toyota cvt is no advantage at all. The gear changes are slow and sluggish unless you drive at a VERY slow pace. In normal mode, eco mode thus as it lacs an actual normal mode, the reactions are so sluggish, regardless if you're in electric mode or in engine mode, most of the time it will stay in a totally inappropriate gear meaning that acceleration is almost not existant. Only on very rare occasions is will react as expected. The sports mode is a joke as well as it will retain each gear much to long meaning that is will push the engine in high revs while you're already passed the sweet spot on the power/tork balance. In short the Hyundai system lacks all the refinement that Toyota currently has. Toyota hybrids are really zen to drive and in the current iterations also effortless. I'm still happy with my Hyundai but if I would have had the choice of selecting a Toyota I would not have hesitated for a second to choose a proper hybrid, a Toyota thus.
You have the best videos. I like how you aren't biased even when a competitor manufacturer lends you a car to challenge toyota. I have 2021 prius and still on first tank of gas since mid October. Good job my friend.
I just hope other manufacturers keep lending him cars to review. Toyota is such a high bench mark to compare to.
Toyota's synergy drive is the superior Hybrid technology without question. It's extremely clever and delivers serious results, not to mention lasts a really long time when maintained and driven in all but the most extreme climate. The only disadvantage is the inability to shut the engine completely off at too high of a road speed due to pinion rotational speeds within the power split device.
Do you think the regular gas cars are better for all climate conditions? I feel hybrids in real heat or cold struggle
Our 2022 Rav4 hybrid AWD is very well sorted, everything works seamlessly, fuel economy over 20,000km is 5.9 litres per 100k, lots of freeway driving plenty of rural roads and a fair bit of heavy duty city traffic. It is a very good car.
Hyundai may have a leg up with the 6 speed, but the smoothness of the system is way more important! This reinforces my belief that Toyota can’t be beat when it comes to hybrids!
When I had compared the 2022 Prius Prime and the 2022 Ioniqu Plug In I was thinking maybe the old school transmission would be better but I'm glad I went with the Prius Prime because Toyota hands down is the king at building hybrid and electric vehicles.
A six speed transmission is horse and buggy technology as compared to the Toyota planetary continuously variable transmission.
Dude...i've been vacillating between an Elantra hybrid limited and a Prius xle for several months. This sealed the deal. So informative. Toyota wins!
Next week the 2023 Prius will be revealed. Expect substantial changes.
You mean Hyundai win?
@@maga6319 Not after watching this video. I still think the elantra hybrid looks beautiful, but now hearing about how each of their different hybrid systems works..it makes more sense to enjoy the longevity and simplicity of toyota engineering.
@@clutchcolton toyota still behind competition with their hybrid tech. Hyundai has the upper hand with their tech
@@maga6319 I'm willing to learn. Can you show me the right direction? What videos do I need to watch... Or which websites?
I’m old school for the most part.
Naturally aspirated motors are my choice.
Keeping things simple is my mindset…..less moving parts the better.
No turbos for me or superchargers or AWD’s for that matter.
A few years back my mechanic at the time told me buy anything but Hyundai.
I went on to buy a cheap Chevy Cobalt which I got the most out of then a month before I bought my current car I had to put $2k into the car.
Now I own a 2017 Toyota Camry XLE and couldn’t be happier.
I like the six speed transmission over the new 8 speeds at least for now.
First Toyota I’ve owned and likely not my last.
Wanted an Avalon but I made the right choice.
It's about environment not your economy. Greetings from Europe.
If you follow the Offroading Mechanic's channel, he's a tech working in a Hyundai dealership, and in one video, he mentioned that the front axels for the Elantra are no thicker than his finger!
Chevy is actually worse than Hyundai, significantly worse.
eCVTs are much more efficient and actually have good acceleration from a roll. Toyota hybrid is a clean sheet design. Hyundai hybrids are just modified conventional cars )
I agree. Using a six speed transmission means more moving parts.
eCVT uses planetary gears.
@@rncondie yessir Toyota planetary gear eCVT is many times better than belt driven CVT for sure
@rncondie I thought automatic transmissions use planetary gears but they use hydraulic fluid, torque converter and other moving parts. I always saw a ecvt as a much simple tranmission with the planetary gears
toyota and lexus hybrid are the best hybrid car in the market period.
After Hyundai still to this day (a 10+ year issue) have the same issues with some of their gas model vehicles catching on fire, etc.. i would never ever touch them. Hopefully the Hybrids are reliable. Great video AMD as always, your videos made me decide on a Rav 4 Hybrid last year
... and that's why I went for a Corolla Touring. I love the engineering and mechanical simplicity.
not hybrid
Toyota's system is so much better. I love the eCVT and the real 2 motor set up. I like their is no drive belts either. Honda's 2 motor hybrid system is just as good though in my opinion but just different. I rode in a Honda Clarity and it was so smooth and quiet. Their old IMA system was awful though.
I'd like to see similar video about honda - toyota hybrid comparisons, since they have absolutely different approaches for hybrid systems.
You should have mentioned the cable corrosion "Cablegate" issue in the 5th generation Rav4s and the cost of repair if out of warranty.
Why not post some information on this issue, so we all know what it is, etc?
Out of warranty after 10 years?
Yeah. In his recent video on RAV4 Prime Review, he says toyota extended the warranty on "cars affected" to 8 years /100K but I don't see an official announcement from them on it.
I just picked up my Corolla LE Hybrid and it’s such a nice car. I’m very happy with it. Thank you so much for the videos and your knowledge.
Toyota patented their geartrain design with planetary gears which is the most efficient and elegant. Other just can't copy. Honda had struggled with their hybrid as well with clutch and solenoid which never could match the efficiency of Toyota.
We own a Camry Hybrid 2102, and a 2022 Tucson Blue. I enjoyed this report. However, 2 glaring omissions. For Camry, it has an Atkinson Cycle engine, the Hyundai is an Otto. The Camry engine at 1 year or 10,000 miles has oil like new. That has to be good for longevity. The Hyundai has a much better warranty, the powertrain is 10 years or 100,000 miles. That will help with running costs. I much prefer the Tucson's 6 speed box to Camry's ECVT. I disagree with his comment about smoothness. The Tucson is very smooth indeed, ad much better to drive than the Camry. Both are great cars, but the big weakness with both is emergency braking, where you press the pedal hard and as the regen braking changes to the disc brakes, nothing happens! This is alarming to be honest.
Awesome video ! Based on your prior Camry hybrid videos we purchased a new 2022 Camry XSE Hybrid in the spring of 2022 and absolutely love the car ! This video is very reassuring that we made a good decision. Almost 10,000 miles already and now getting 50-60 MPG. I am following your advice of oil changes every 5,000 miles along with any other suggested maintenance. Thank you for putting such great videos on TH-cam and May the Lord bless you as well !! (From Phoenix AZ)
50 to 60 mpg in a Camry that is NOT a plug-in hybrid like the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime is amazing. I've never owned a Camry, but my Prius Prime, which is a PHEV, gets only slightly better fuel economy than your Camry, typically 60~65 mpg! You made a great choice. If Camry came in a hatchback instead of only a sedan version, I'd probably have owned one at some point.
What type of oil you put
I watched the whole video knowing the entire time I would never purchase a hyundai let alone one of their hybrid trash cans. What I do want to comment on is your TREMENDOUS ability to withhold exactly what you were thinking about it and not just flat out trash it the entire video! haha
The best video since moving into the new shop! While I still prefer the step-by-step how to's (which wouldn't be a bad idea to repeat some of the old material in the new shop, a la Scotty), this is much more to the point and enlightening.
Hope this puts you on a roll.
Did I just waste 23 minutes watching this video? Yes. I already knew that my '22 Prius Prime is the King. Thanks for another great vid, AMD!
We own two Rav 4 Primes.
What amazes me is when not in EV our 4,300 lb SUV nets 42 mpg on the freeway driving 70 mph.
Think about that 4,300 lbs of mass traveling 70 mph netting 42 mpg. That is amazing our Rav 4 Primes weigh as much as our 1/2 ton 4x4 Chevrolet pickup that nets 15 mpg.
WTF?!? How did you get 2 Primes haha I was looking for one but they were hard to find without crazy markups. Ended up with Accord Hybrid
How did you get your hands on not one but two Primes!
My friend bought a RAV4 Prime in January of 2021, she loved it so much that she bought 2 more for her children. She camped out at the dealership on the days they thought some might arrive, first come, first serve.
Sorry for the delay replying to your question. I just came across this channel.
We bought the first one Aug 2020 Ontario Oregon. Paid $40,100 or $600 under MSRP. $7,500 tax credit for 2020 tax year.
July 2021 bought our second 2021 Rav 4 Prime SE Medford Oregon. Paid $42,200 or about $170 over MSRP
Another $7,500 tax credit 2021 tax year.
We live in Utah and we flew to the nearest airport and the dealers picked us up.
Best automobiles we have ever owned and they are both paid off and I am not rich just smart with our money.
I did not camp out. I just worked the phone and gave them $1,000 over the phone with my credit card and delivered a cashiers check the day we flew in to drive home. It was fun. My wife and I made a vacation out of the Medford trip and visited the Redwoods.
I also managed to secure a third Rav 4 Prime for my nephew from Medford Oregon. He loves it.
Have a 2015 Lexus is300h. 113k miles. no issues so far.
True, indeed. Before buying Corolla Hybrid, I have tested 2021 Hyunday Ioniq hybrid. Indeed, felt like a normal car when shifting - 6 speed DCT transmission, very fast at shifting gears - and also very prone to keep the thermal engine at low RPM, unless you hit the gas pedal hard either shift to sport mode. But in heavy traffic and very slow speed moving, you could feel DCT shifting like a mad man, 1st, 2nd,1st, 2nd... extremely undecided, trying all the time to keep the engine at the lowest RPM. And that take a toll on the clutch, unfortunately, beside killing the pleasure to drive it. "cause you feel all those repetitive changes, in those specific conditions.
To sum it up, Ioniq was swift, more engaged and nice to drive, but little more expensive at dealership final price (about 2000 USD more) and definitely more expensive to maintain it over the years because of high maintenance prices on DCT gears...
I test drove a Hyundai hybrid and, although it was nice, I hated the transmission compared to the Prius. It felt really klunky and not smooth at all. Toyota for the win!
@pilotgrrl1 well if it was a DCT transmission its not supposed to be smooth but quick.
I have an 2014 Avalon Hybrid, had a 2016 Sonata Hybrid, and have a 2023 ES 300h. I think you are exaggerating the kick in of the ICE in the Hyundais - it is very smooth when turning on and has a limited lag. I wonder if the lag is made worse by the turbo charged engine as the 2016 Sonata has a naturally aspirated 2.0 L engine - so wondering if you get both a HSG starter lag and the turbo lag - making it worse.
My coworkers brand new Hyundai at 4,000 miles needed towed to dealer. My other coworkers Kia needed a new engine at 90k. If they can't even get a gas car to run reliably, how could I trust them making hybrids?
I started watching AMD's videos about a month or two before we put down our deposit on a 2022 Rav4 |Hybrid Limited back in the first week of Nov. 2022. Long story short, after a stressful wait we got our new 2023 Rav4 Hybrid Limited on Match 19th 2023 although it was not the one we ordered but was ordered at the same dealership on the same day. Exact same vehicle but gray instead of red but the people who ordered it backed out in October 2022. Love this vehicle so far but due to AMD's well done videos and rare quality of total unbiased honesty I am quite sure this vehicle will give us many years of reliable service and great fuel consumption. I read lots of the comments on these videos and the " fear" of hybrid battery longevity is pretty much gone. My biggest concern is that AMD is "out on his own" and will no longer be privy to the latest information that only a Toyota Mechanic will be getting first hand. One important question, please. CABLEGATE!!!!!!! has the 2023 Rav4 Hybrid had the moisture and corrosion issue with the power cable's plug on the rar electric motor resolved with a better design or does it still only have a "drain" to allow moisture to escape?
The fact that a toyota hybrid is MORE reliable than the non hybrids...you get the picture.
@Daniel G I don’t see that. When the hybrid battery goes, it will cost $5K+ for a new battery. Don’t fall for the $1000 remanufactered junk… there’s still a bunch of old cells inside not replaced. Basically by the time you’re Hybrid is 20 years old you will have had to put like $5K in hybrid battery repairs. I’ve seen people drive Camry’s & Corollas for 30 years with no repairs that were over $1500. Those old Camrys were golden. Limited electronics, could last pretty much forever. I still l see them all over the place. Even though they are pushing 30 years old. Mechanical components in most vehicles, last way longer than electrical components, ESPECIALLY, & I mean ESPECIALLY, Volkswagen. Toyota the whole car is usually built good everywhere. My point is, complexity is the enemy of reliability. Someone calling a hybrid “simple” needs to take a course on them specifically. Way more electrical stuff to go wrong, not DIY friendly, I can work on my 2006 Matrix myself, repairs myself (cheap repairs) but I won’t touch my mom’s Prius, too complex, you need to know what the heck your doing with that hybrid stuff.