Sanremo YOU | A Compact & Capable Countertop Exotic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- The Sanremo YOU is a serious prosumer, heavy-hitter on the espresso machine market. It's packed with technology, pressure profiling, dual boilers, and so much more. But the question still remains, does high style, high tech, and high priced mean high performance? Let's find out!
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[1:06] Standart Sponsor
[1:52] Notable Features
[5:28] Performance & Usability
[8:05] Quirks & Downsides
[10:00] Final Thoughts
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This looks like something Vader would have his Storm Troopers pull an espresso from when he needs a break from the helmet.
Indeed, it’s got a bit of a sinister presence, until you see the 1999 dvd screensaver haha.
Vader would have the Sanremo YOU Interceptor variant
This is my dream machine. Maybe ill get one someday. Im glad that you went over downsides that literally NO OTHER video has pointed out ( ive seen just about every YOU video on youtube).
you and me both lol
The Lucca A53 video juxtaposes to the Sanremo You review so well. One, simple and repeatable with only essential info, and the other being about as data driven as you can get outside of a Decent. Both seem to be great machines overall with two different approaches.
that clip from the office was perfect there
i really would like to check it out "against" my R9 one. its a more compact and mordern attempt but i fully agree with your concerns and the pricetag is hefty! :o
I like the way this machine is heading. Sanremo seems like a solid company and makes solid machines.
Yeah, I think this shows what the possible future direction is for home espresso machines, and hopefully as these features become more common that will come with a reduction in price.
I personally don’t like the way this machine is heading.
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@@Maxime-ho9ivWhat is it that you don’t like exactly? Is it the electronics or the build quality or something else?
Very tough. I agree. The more tech the less expected reliability. I really like what rocket did with the removable screen. Keeps it farther away from the heat and water.
San Remo produce great machines 👏👏
Damn that The Office reference was on point lol
Haha when I saw that screen saver it was the first thing that came to mind.
I had the pleasure of using one, and the legs/drip tray situation is absolutely bewildering. They could have just made a 1 group Cafe Racer, add the sr61 paddle and call it day. You can absolutely feel the legs flex everytime you put a portafilter in, reminds me of the wiggle that a Gaggia pro has.
Yeah I think they really leaned heavy on the aesthetics when they could’ve gone a little bit more for balance.
I wish they did too, but I would guess it was to create some separation from the commercial line, and not cannibalize sales, having a dumbed down exterior design and a small steam boiler.
@@JusBThankful the small steam boiler is an absolute plus. Steaming performance is very good also for back to back steaming. I use 1.7 bar, and the pressure never goes below 1.4 bar when steaming. Recovery cycles to full pressure are measured in seconds. No reason to waste lots of precious energy for heating up 2-3l of water for steaming (like the Synesso ES1 and the GS3 do).
@@christopherschmitz1804 I'm sure it steams great for a home user, I was more looking through the lense of a commercial shopper and things to deter them from a multi unit SR
@@JusBThankful you should give the steaming capabilities a try … surprisingly stable and capable of back to back steaming.
I'm on my 2nd Sanremo. I had their original "Compact" single group machine from the 90's which was small cafe or home use. My current machine is their E61 "Treviso" which they sold in the 00's and 10's that was replaced by their current "Cube" home model. It's unusual for Sanremo to have more than one domestic machine in their lineup which, has almost always been, entirely commercial. I suppose this is a reflection of how much the home/domestic machine market has change and grown in the last several years. I would critique them for their legacy machines that I've owned but I think its fair to let them be merited on their current offerings than their historical.
Awesome review, and it is for sure a machine in tune with non computerized and controlled machines, I am a DE1PRO owner and I get it the machine doesn’t feel as connected the YOU is for the workflow, but comparing them and well at a very high level the DE1PRO is close to 50% less the cost of the YOU and still enough data to geek on every shot and profile is selected and modified per each user, technically a unique experience for each owner. The YOU delivers on that but at a cost, but still looks amazing.
Depends on the market also, as pricing between the two varies heavily.
I guess the Decent is for the nerdy espresso fetishists, that are not too concerned with a less than average steaming performance, don’t need commercial level back to back capabilities and can live with no tactile experience while pulling shots. The YOU is a great mix of all of these features.
I had the same The Office association immediately when seeing the screensaver, and then the clip made my day :)
Is it possible to put cups on the top?
I've had a YOU in my kitchen since November of 2022 and haven't had any issues with it since.
I know that's still short in the grand scheme, but I've enjoyed my time with it.
Thanks for sharing, I mean it’s not super long term, but it’s longer than I’ve had it. And I don’t think it’s been out that long.
@Sprometheus yeah! It was first released in the USA around that time, so I'd guess it's one of the first/early units.
I have a Decent and would consider the YOU if only for proper, local support - provided that performance is on par or better. I’d love a comparison between the SR You and the Decent.
I was in the same predicament but my deal breaker was stop on weight :/
There was an update to the drip tray, I've heard. Longer and user-replaceable. Did you receive one and find it addresses the issue with the splashing in front of the machine without a cup underneath?
Very fair n balanced review I respect the effort you have gone to be impartial. Yes there’s the typical Lm bias in the comment section as expected but for a machine that has a lot more function, information feedback, replication and precision compared to regular pressure profile machines. It’s a volumetric digital machine with flow rate management what’s not to love plus significantly cheaper than LM n other competing pressure profile single group machines. The group head is a saturated SR61 with heating element. He raises a good question re servicing and a good point about the drip trey. I also feel the badge could be better n if prefer a spoutless handle. All in all you’ve done a great job of this review well done 👍
Dunno why the LM bias as the company/machines are barely tolerable. Never been impressed with their polished turds, especially on a commercial level. Regarding the YOU and other 'cutting edge' machines... no way do I care for any software driven machine as reliability just isn't there. Modern technology just can't replace some parts of life regardless of how it's implemented. Problem these days is all the lazy asses that want push button consistent everything instead of being hands on and actually working for the end result.
@@commandodude333 in so many ways do I agree with you. I often find this kind of tech should be approached really after the fundamentals are fully explored n understood. Even for me I over looked classic lever machines before I realised the genius that was involved in both design and function.
I have a Sanremo Treviso and I love it. It’s absolutely not even close to the You, but Sanremo damn knows how to build solid, great performing machines. And it is important to mention their customer service is top notch.
Thanks for this, Spro! Tempted to get this over my GS/3 so keen to see your comparison. Do you think this is the best tech-integrated pro-sumer espresso machine? What other options are there?
Essentially this or the Rocket R Nine One, but I think Sanremo is far better.
Thank you for an informative video of this machine, which I love for its appearance. Seems to offer a lot of flexibility in relative easy to understand interface. I do worry about too much electronics in confined and hot/wet spaces as an increasing trend, and how easy/expensive onsite repairs would be. I feel this is a level (or two) above my comfort level for now. When I win the Lottery, I think this could be a contender. Take care, all
You’re welcome, Alan. And yeah, it’s a beauty. I love the cafe racer inspired design and the control is great. But I’m 100% with you on the hot/wet areas with electronics. They’ve done it on their commercial machines, and I haven’t heard of a ton of issues so hopefully they’ve got that sorted.
Thank you my friend.
Of course! Thanks for watching.
@@Sprometheus - Have yourself a great weekend. 👊🏻
I’d want a comparison between this and the Decent
Synesso ES1 review next? Seems like the most direct competitor to this one.
@Sprometheus If you had to chose one. The La Marzocco or Sanremo? I still like the old school Marzocco but thats just me. I am curious what your choice would be. Thank you in advance.
I'd be as happy with my La Pavoni without all that fancy tech and functions. I can do all those preinfusion, pressure/flow profiling however I want with good old fashion manual lever. And the best thing is anything go wrong I can fix it myself with very affordable and easily available parts.
I have had the YOU since January of 2023. It replaced my LM GS3 AV. For me the YOU make just as good a coffee as the LM but am able to experiment more with the YOU. Its super quiet, though the fan is noisy when it kicks in. Like in the review, i hate the drip tray and i dont like the lack of room around the group head, these are the 2 main things i miss most about the GS3. Steam power is great and hot water spout is OK, dont ever try to do 100% from steam though, as all you will get is spluttering. Needs to be mixed with tank water for a steady flow. Reliability is an unknown at this point as it hasnt been on the market long enough. Also getting parts for it (especially here in Australia) is almost impossible, so would hate for something to go wrong with it, and have to wait for weeks for it to be repaired whilst waiting parts to arrive.
The other thing i have found after 7 months of ownership is as much as i love all the tech in it and the ability to save a stack of recipes, i tend to just use the paddle 90% of the time, and only the presets when entertaining and making lots of milk based coffees..
The one other thing indont like is the programmed on off times. It's not a full shut down but rather leaves the screen on, so the screensaver stays on all night.
Overall am happy with the machine with no real regrets
The fan? You have a fan in your espresso machine?
Buahahahmuahhahhahahaa….
Couldn't agree more with your concern about all this tech long-term. Over the last couple of months I was deciding on what to buy to replace my Profitec Pro 500 and after a ton of research and visiting a few retailers I ended up buying the Micra. I love the simplicity and build quality. Couldn't be happier! Awesome video Spro!
can you review the slayer single group, and compare it to the gs3, And he You
Seems like the right machine for LM to respond with a “micra-fied” GS3 for $5.5k 🤤
The Office clip was excellent.
agree - more tech, more things to go wrong.
I know it may be rash, but I like every one of your videos before the video even starts cuz, let’s be honest we all know it’s gonna be 🔥🔥🔥
I like it, though I don’t know how dialing in shots would be on new bags of coffee. The programs would seem to assume all coffees are the same. I might make three espressos for the day from three beans…and have three extraction times. All pretty close, but I can’t see how programming is really that powerful.
OTOH…as complex as it is, my fear is how on earth will I service it 10 years from now? Here in Eastern Idaho there will be no one local. My Profitec with Flow control is bomber, simple and classic. I am pretty sure I could fix any inside with a little guidance. Not so with the Sanremo. If I lived in a VERY big city, maybe a different matter. And the Profitec makes pretty damn good coffee! So…as COOL as it is, I think I will stay old school. Little to go wrong on a classic machine!
Today I learnt sanremo make coffee machines as well as pasta
Haha when I tried to find the history of Sanremo I kept getting pasta, so we both learned something.
How does it sound? Is it noisy or fairly quiet (as I expect a rotary pump to be)? Was hard to tell based on your 'Morning Espresso' video.
I'm asking because I've heard it might be noisy at times. Not only when brewing, but also a fan noise when the machine is idle (I think someone said a firmware update solved that issue).
Fan noise has been fixed with a firmware update and new 40 euro fan kit. Ordered myself one last week.
Like Knottymatt said there is some fan noise, but it's not incredibly loud, and isn't constant and seems to be somewhat sporadic. But if you're in the same room it can be annoying. The new firmware did help with that, and I don't have the new kit in my loaner.
In terms of the pump, it's actually very quiet.
They should give some sort of bluetooth scales connectivity for gravimetric brewing (just like La Marzocco with the upcoming update).
I could definitely see that as a possibility considering it’s hardware is already capable of it.
The good thing about the YOU is that due to most of the hardware being digitally controlled it can add additional functionality just through a firmware update. The update to FW 1.41/1.39 showed this already, and Sanremo is working on further enhancements. And they listen thoroughly to the community and respond with firmware improvements.
Where did you read that about LM?
@@xlXKiNQXlx It appeared in the app for a while before it was taken down. Allegedly teased by accident.
@@Jaroslav. interesting, was it recently in the app or was this some time ago?
Good review! Been waiting for this one with excitement. The new drip tray is being finalised by Sanremo at the moment (EspressoTV You updates clip), they acknowledge it had to be improved, although not sure if height is being changed. Sounded more like depth.
Pulled the trigger on one last week and will receive soon, it was just too enticing given its feature set and looks. An absolutely beautiful machine to my eyes and retains a tactile approach without being too disconnected from the process. So tempted to go the Decent, but just couldn't do it as I knew I'd miss the tactile interaction. Would love an analogue pressure gauge, or at least a gauge on the screen as an alternative to the graph, just as a finishing touch. That as well as bluetooth Acaia scale connectivity of course, that would be huge.
You will love it. Have been brewing shots on mine for the past 8 months and using the paddle is a great experience - so much fun!
Me too. Ordered one two-weeks ago with a Eureka Libre grinder. Moving-up from a 2015 Sage Oracle that’s dying. My quest was simple: Get a machine that’ll do coffeeshop-quality coffee at home, consistently. Rocket R 9-1 was a close runner-up. The aesthetic & tech features of the YOU have definitely influenced my decision but I’m not certain that what it’ll put in the cup is any better or easier to achieve than the Rocket, La Marzocco or Slayer. It’s a tough call deciding horse to back.
@gregmcgarry1 yeah I'm upgrading from a breville/sage dual boiler myself, which I slayer modified for flow profiling. It'll be interesting to see if there's a markedly different taste change. It will be repeatable at least. Niche zero, looking to upgrade to a kafatek max 2.
Heard negative things about this machine, particularly regarding QC issues, from a reputable espresso machine retailer (that sells VA, LM and Slayer) and took their recommendation and got a LM Micra instead.
So vague. What exactly are these QC issues you mentioned?
Interesting to see inside high tech coffee machines. But I can’t see past a good quality old fashioned machine where the only mistakes are mine alone and an array of wiz bang options only does my head in. There is beauty in simplicity.
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With such a high price tag - is it good for commercial use and pulling multiple shots in a row? If so I guess it could finds its place in a speciality coffee house.
It is also commercially capable, and when plumbed in it’ll definitely keep up well with a low to medium use cafe. I think the boiler sizes really hold it back, and would recommend getting a larger unit for a high capacity cafe.
VIDEO IDEA: BEAN v. MACHINE KNOCKDOWN!!! [cheesy stock video explosion].
I’m wondering if we are missing something by seeking gear, rather than coffee. The idea is to get an epic roast alongside a dull blend. Brew some espresso with the dull blend using the highest end equipment you have. Now pull a shot of the epic roast using a pedestrian, pressurized setup. Which is better?
You could also use your best pour over technique with the dull bean vs the epic roast in a basic auto brewer.
Where I’m heading is to get more into the bean and the roast, rather than gear seeking. This includes home roasting to make it affordable and fun. But am I heading the wrong direction? Who wins BEAN or MACHINE?
Not a bad idea my friend. Could be a fun one. I’ll put it on my list!
Another great, objective review. Think you’ll ever get a Slayer to test?
Thank you! And I’ve asked, they only offered for me to go use a machine at one of their customers locations. So possibly, but they don’t seem all that interested in working with me on that so it’ll likely have to be borrowed from a local owner.
@@Sprometheus That’s a shame. Has long been my fantasy lottery win machine. (Alongside an EG-1!) Maybe they’ll change their mind as your channel continues to grow…
I generally don’t like aesthetics over use, unfortunately a trend in many modern espresso machines and SR are really going to far with it. I admit their machine are gorgeous looking but it dos seem like more for show sometimes.
That said SR should have an excellent build quality and be easy serviceable.
If I was just going with ability then Decent still offer the most, these seems rather limited in comparison. But for me I honestly prefer hands on pressure control of a lever then these machines and I don’t need an engineering degree to fix it. But both have a reason to exist. The electronic solution really let you explore, experiment and gather a greater understanding if you want too, so I do believe it has it merits and it can deliver some very intriguing shots, however it’s also sort of machine you end up playing and experimenting with then actually drinking shot.
The Lambo
of 'spresso machines
Why are the boilers sooo tiny 😢
Wow, after all this, I need an Advil... and an Olympia Cremina.
I love the microadjustability and experimentation options of these complex electronics heavy machines, but in a decade, this will feel like a betamax VCR.
This seems like a machine made for people who are wealthy enough to not care about repairs. Just pay for the Platinum Support Plan and if it breaks down then you just call them to come swap it out, no questions asked. A luxury product for people who want more control over their coffee but don't want to take the time of learning a lever machine. Like the sports car with an electronic paddle-shifter for those rich guys who can't be bothered to learn how to drive stick.
I can see that perspective. I mean, I got the GS3MP because LM repair techs are readily available and so are parts. I’m also sure in some cases this can be seen as skipping the harder parts of brewing, like on a lever machine, but it could just be the direction of the future. I mean, for example with manual transmissions there are fewer and fewer produced, and automatics are now higher performance and higher fuel efficiency. So that may just be what we’re seeing on the horizon.
@@Sprometheus Yes, definitely. It's a worrying trend for me though. I am a supporter of the right-to-repair movement. I think simple, durable, repairable, long-lasting stuff is a worthy endeavour. I am in the minority however. Most people want cheap and disposable, hence the proliferation of pod machines and McD's drive-thru coffee.
I have been owning a YOU since October last year, and it is fairly easy serviceable. Of course if electronics fail you need to exchange board and wirings, but that is no different with any other digital machine. I exchanged the fan for the upgraded fan kit (which is almost inaudible). Took 2 screws and two nuts to open and close. Draining boilers: 5 minutes of detaching front panels and you can reach through the frame to the two drain valves, which drain water the water into the drip tray through a silicon hose. Pretty standard gastro style components inside, from the pump to the flowmeters, and most of it easily accessible.
@@CremaChris1 I think the main concern here is that the electronics are highly specialized (so availability years down the road may be difficult) and the machine pumps a lot of hot water around inside. Electronics are pretty notorious for needing to stay cool and dry, so hot water is not something you want to mix with them. It would be a real shame if in ten years all of YOU machines were abandoned due to breaking down and not having available parts. I would be really surprised if these have even half the longevity of the venerable La Pavoni Europiccola
@@chongli297 I guess it won't last the 28 years my Carimali Uno (still dear to my heart) lasted. The electronics part is shielded through a solid steel sheet from the water carrying and heat radiating parts of the machine. There is a fan to cool the power board and the control boards (which is barely audible after the fan upgrade). Sanremo has been building gastro type digital machines for a long time (eg. Racer, F18 and Opera). Of course the vastly improved control and ability to influence extraction of a digital machine comes with electronics. I still would not trade it against a GS3 AV or MP that in comparison feels truly yesterday. Of course if you like old school tech ...
The price of these machines is getting out of hand. Don’t get me wrong, I would still love to have one of these machines. But I will never be able to afford it at these prices.
Yeah, I mean home espresso machines already are a luxury, but there are definitely different echelons. It’s a lot like a car in that way. You can get a less expensive machine and produce good espresso, and even do some mods to make it perform in a similar way to a higher priced option. In the end I think things like this come down to budget but also, ingenuity to a certain degree.
This vs a Slayer?
Eyeing the Strada EP myself but was also considering this one. I sadly passed on a deal last christmas getting a YOU for about 4 grand after shipping. Crazy how much prices are rising I guess (?).
Anyway, I think the Strada will still be it for me, mainly because it's the end-game machine that you will take with you for life, and I'm all for the philosophy of buying something for life instead of endlessly consuming on crappy products. The YOU in that regard is a bit questionable with all that excessive digitalisation without a clear aim as to why that would be better for the user. It seems mainly something to press production costs and add in planned obsolescence, which IMO the price range doesn't justify. Whoops.
Very cool machine but at the high end of machines I think I would prefer a Dalla Corte over the San Remo.
It's lacking a saturated group...to keep up with the competition.
But Nice looking machine.
Yeah personally I like saturated groups, but the E61 when modded can be pretty solid.
I don't get the fancy about saturated groups. If the group temp is stable over a single shot and when pulling lots of shots back to back I could not care less how stability is achieved. Nobody complains about the Decent not having a saturated group, because it just doesn't require it to be saturated. And the same holds true for the YOU: it is very stable due to its incorporated heat cartridge and permanent real-time temp control. The group head is hot after 5 minutes (regardless of the brew boiler temp).
You don’t need saturation when you have a heating cartridge to put the group at the exact temperature you want it.
There several machines that aren’t saturated but uses cartridge heated groups, but yes Saturated has become the favourite choice at higher end machines. The problem with saturated is that you cannot temperature profile them and changing temperature for different coffee isn’t easily achieved as it takes time to settle on the new selected temperature. So all brew groups have weakness and strength.
@@mikni4069 your right, i own a fiamma vela pp. It's very close to this machine in specs, it also uses a e61 based group head, so i was not trashing them.
Still hard to justify the price of what is a dressed up e61 group head.
Is the Sanremo You using a saturated group head or an E61? At that price point, id expect a saturated group.
Yeah I mentioned in the video briefly that it is a modified E61 called the SR61 which I assume stands for Sanremo but I could be wrong. I couldn’t find any information on the name.
Saturated group heads are one way of achieving temp stability. Sanremo uses an electronic cartridge to heat their SR61 group head. It is very stable on a single shot and also for back to back shots due to the real-time control of the group temp. And the group head is hot in 5 minutes as well. I can't see any advantage of a saturated group head over such a more simplistic but well working solution.
The You looks like a Klingon spaceship.🤷 Too modern for me, I miss the classic look. Technically, it's far in the future, just like the Decent espresso machine. Anyone who wants that is in good hands here. What I don't like, in this price range, is the use of a lot of plastic, such as the drip tray! I chose the Rocket R Nine One myself, it combines both sides, the classic and the technical future, without becoming a nerd! The You also has a limit on the amount of steam, water and coffee, each 100ml or 30 seconds of steam. Which is due to the small boiler, but I wouldn't expect it in this price range. But it sure is a fantastic espresso machine!👍
I would think anyone who can afford this machine would send it for service. So, local vendor would be best. Love the idea, but love Lambos and drive a Fiat. Does this need to be plumbed to use all the features?
I get that, but it’s such a hassle to ship machines like this. It’s 70+ lbs dry and needs to be on a pallet it’s a process. I think the best way to go would be to have a local repair company do it if possible and that would be a big factor for me when buying any machine over a couple grand. Part of why I went with the GS3 is the abundance of LM techs and parts.
And no, it doesn’t need to be plumbed in, but you won’t get much water pressure below 3 bar without it.
@Sprometheus Totally agree with local vendors. That is why I chose my Clive Lucca X58 HX. They are 3 miles, friendly, helpful and it was a refurbished machine on sale.
Interesting statement. You are big on data and control when brewing espresso. But I've got the sense that when it comes to the Decent, you look at it in the same way, petrol heads look at Tesla. Is it just me or is there some truth to what I'm saying? I would love to see a review of the DE1XXL(in white of course) on the channel.
I am big on data and control, but the difference between this and the Decent in my mind is the tactile, human experience. The Decent, though plenty capable, is just too disconnected from the process. The YOU is like a nice middle ground for me.
I’d love to do a full review on a Decent, but have yet to have the opportunity to try one for an extended period. Someday I’m sure.
Seems like a great machine, but for that money, I still can’t see it beating out the GS3 MP, for me.
Spro, the drip tray position can be adjusted. Did you not realize that? When you take out the tray, there are 2 rounded screws; remove them then adjust the position of the metal base. These instructions are in the manual but maybe you didn’t get that if this is a demo unit. And when emptying the drip tray, it’s a lot easier to take out the full tray with the stainless steel cover.
It arrived in the back position. This is in the farthest forward position that was drilled into the units feet. And I disagree about removing it with the stainless tray. This allows me to keep and eye on the water level as I move it without it spilling over.
@@Sprometheus I've had the machine for 9 months and have used another 3 in showrooms. All have the same drip tray adjustment. Based on your video and the alignment of the tray, that is not the furthest it can be adjusted. Either your specific unit has an engineering defect or it's user error.
I heard something in one of the first videos from an expo with Sanremo, that suggested a change to the tray position as water was spilling over the front. That's exactly what I saw in the video. I conclude this is one of the very first expo units before the change was made. Hence, no user error, no engineering defect, just a design change.
@@Sprometheus Yeah not your fault, design change since that unit due to water spilling over the front (I've watched a lot of You videos haha). Tray is now further forward, still shallow, but they're currently redesigning it as it's the main complaint.
@@knottymatt without Spro showing a picture of the drip tray screws, it’s all assumptions. If it’s a design change then this would be a pre-production unit because I own one the first batch of production units and the tray has adjustable positions
GS3: Thats not a paddle, THIS is a paddle
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One day I'll be able drop $7k on an single group head spec'd out espresso machine. That is after I get a home drum roaster and an end game grinder...
The question is, what drum roaster? Gas or electric?
@@Sprometheus For context for a month I've been using a hive roaster and that got me hooked on roasting. I've was thinking of a Huky 500.
But after doing some research I want a more cohesive unit. So I am thinking of a Bullet R1,
Cormorant CR600g or Kaldi Fortis. Right now I'm leaning towards gas and the Cormorant. Thoughts?
Had to upgrade to the YOU after owning a Cormorant CR600 gas drum roaster and a Bentwood Vertical 63. Going back to sipping my Colombian Sens Coffee Las Alegrias Quindio blackberry osmotic dehydration castillo natural. Roasted medium-light. Extracted in a lever style machine profile on the YOU, with slow fill, long PI, ramp up to 6 bars and ramp down to three bars at the end of the shot.
@@Sprometheus Would not go with anything other than a gas roaster. Much better and more responsive control over heat. My Cormorant responds within 5 seconds to changes in the mbar setting. Cheaper to operate on top.
Prefer the saturated group of the Rocket R Nine One for this price...
As an IT person, that computer and screen on a hot area will litteraly degrade it. It will not take long for the screen to be unusable within less than 2-3 years. Looking at it makes me feel like they're trying to be like Apple, to look good but with a high repair cost and short lifespan to its components with a difficult way to source the parts.
Lol, I watched this whole video carefully considering if I should buy it… and then he got to the price at the end. I was expecting like $3k, not $7.5K. Granted, I’m just getting into espresso, so maybe it was obvious to others.
This is an exceptionally expensive machine for the home.
Even more expensive than it's closest competitors.
San Remo are a premium commercial machine company - so all their products are extremely expensive.
In Europe prices are around 6.000 USD, while GS3 MP is 7.700 USD.
Cheaper than competitors in Aus. GS3 MP is $11k-$12k, You $9k-$9.5k.
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@@cheekster777saw.
So close, yet so far.
This is a cool machine, but at that price, I don't see why you wouldn't just buy a Decent DE1 instead.
Personally I’d take this over a DE1 because the Decent, albeit a quality piece of kit, feels too disconnected for me. I want to feel involved in the coffee making process and the Decent makes me feel like a bystander.
@@Sprometheus It is an interesting feature. Makes me wonder if Decent will ever consider adding a paddle control for pressure profiling in the future.
@@Sprometheus I have not used the Sanremo and only used the DE1 a bit, but that bystander feeling turned me off to the DE1 by the 10th shot.
Decent is full digital control over the extraction. Best if you want to have most influence over even the weirdest extraction profiles in a lab. But to me it is missing a tactile experience like the paddle on the YOU. And if you like gastro type components, are into pulling a number of shots back to back, or you are into latte art or more than one milk beverage at a time the YOU has fantastic steaming capabilities which the Decent is no match for.
The people buying this and the decent are not the same.
The pump on this machine is not a volumetric gear pump, it is a compact rotary vane pump.
I would love one of these machines someday but it is a lot more expensive than I can afford…
Sanremo says it’s a volumetric gear pump.
@@Jaroslav. Where do you see that? On Sanremo's website i see "Volumetric pump".
Frankly, difficult to say for sure when every second brochure says either vane or gear. I’ve even seen You brochure say gear somewhere. Someone who actually owns the machine says he has a vane pump inside, but if you ask let’s say Clive or DiPacci (and EspressoTV seem to have confirmed that as well), they say gear. Not sure how common variable vane pumps are, but would be nice for Sprometheus to have a look what model is inside of his machine. I’d love to know 100%. What do you know?
Yeah the clip I took saying volumetric gear was from Sanremos website, as well as confirmed with Clive coffee and other resellers description. But either way, it’s an impressive piece of kit for sure.
It is a Fluidotech GA72 rotary vane pump with voltage based rpm control.
I like the brand Sanremo. However, when comes to premium espresso machine, I still believe La Marzocco is unbeatable in the market.
For me most technologies adopt in this YOU is gimmick. What is really useful is pressure profiling and gear pump.
When it compares to LM GS3 (I have a Strada EP). I think the main downside of YOU is it’s group head. I am not speaking E61 is bad, but from my experience, it is not as good as Saturated Group head.
For the price point of YOU, I definitely won’t invest the money for an E61 machine.
I guess there are different ways how to achieve stability. The SR61 is an E61 type group head with a heat cartridge in it. Stability of the YOU is very good, both in-shot and also back-to-back. Saturated groups achieve stability with a higher effort, but in my opinion I can't see a difference in stability between a GS3 and a YOU.
And on gimmicks: LM truly does not include sophisticated electronics into the GS3. It does not include any replicable control over a profiled extraction on the MP. On the YOU you can manually extract and then save the profiles for later re-use. Or you can program the extraction front-to-back. You can do long or short PI with a rising, stable or declining pressure. You can do quick or slow fill during PI. So if you don't need replicability of profiled shots or don't want to vary extraction parameters a GS3 is for sure a great choice. If you like to experiment and get the best out of your coffee by replicable profiling, but still want a gastro like performance (including steaming) and tactile experience rather than the full digital experience in the Decent, the YOU is the better choice.
This was an issues for me also. Isn't the point of a saturated group temp stability? So as long as temp is stable there's no issues with a dual heated e61 head and boiler? Pulled the trigger last week, hope it'll be fine but the 5 minute heat up time is very attractive.
The tray is adjustable, my dude.
It has literally two settings about an inch apart my dude.
What really scares me here is technology. Don’t get me wrong, I love it, but technology is no piece of cake. Decent for instance is a tech company making espresso machines, they know their stuff on tech and they just apply it to coffee making. But a coffee company making tech is not something I really trust? They want to get to Decent’s customers, and I get it, but it is risky. Take a look at car infotainment for instance. A tech company had to make cars to finally get a good one. So I don’t know… just don’t really trust it for the long term yet. If I wanted to buy a machine full with electronics I think I’d go get a Decent right now, but I’d rather stick with by Bianca for now. Cheers!
The drip tray is adjustable
Oh well never mind, I guess because it can move an inch forward it’s perfect then.
To much computing for my taste, love manual or semi automatic at the most. Soon there will be a robot machine….which will bring the coffee in bed hahahaha
Yeah I love tech and I’m not even a weird coffee person who must have everything manual, but this (and the decent) isn’t really attractive at all. I’m all for tech in machines, but it should be obfuscated away and at least let the user think they’re controlling it with some analogue bits and pieces.
Haha well they do have alarm clock coffee makers, and soon they should make an alarm clock super auto espresso machine. And I’m sure there’s a market, but I totally understand being a bit leery of tech size it’s a little impersonal.
@@dan110024 I get this completely. But I feel like this is a bit of a middle ground between semi-auto and the decent. For me the Decent does a great job at being a lab machine, but it feels so disconnected. This one sort of bridges that gap a bit for me.
@@Sprometheus disconnected is a good way to put it. True - I was being a bit critical of lumping the sanremo in with the decent. I guess it’s no different to the button presses on the LM KB90.
for 7500 id be gutted to see so much plastic. I have a lelit Elizabeth and that has less plastic than this one.
I can see that maybe from a purely aesthetic perspective, but considering the Elizabeth is 27lbs and this is 70lbs I think making the case a plastic panel or two makes it not a good machine isn’t going to get you too far
@@Sprometheus i agree but im not sure how the plastic will age. honestly machines like ponte vecchio or la pavoni seem like they would last decades more than these and with such a price tag one questions if it makes sense. the fancier the features get the more impossible to repair and replace stuff.
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I can see it doesn't exactly hit the corner. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined!
It’s just not worth the money. 🤷🏻♀️
Look horrible imo
I think this has to stop. $7,500 for a home enthusiast machine? Come on.
Also, as very acutely presented in this video, this is just badly designed, I’m sorry. Who wants to spend $7,500 in a machine where you feel like even an espresso cup is not at ease?
People have to think again about this hobby, it’s all about gear and consumerism mess. You don’t need all that when the first « profile » people are trying to make is one of a lever machine. And this is probably the most used everywhere. Are you serious? Nobody sees the irony? Get a goddam lever machine and be done with it! Can we talk about coffee please?
Ok boomer 😊
RU CRAZY ? nooooo no no no no! hell no! no! i can by a prof with that money and open a caffe. no no no no
A prof?
@@Sprometheus it could be a professional barista.....but what i actually meant is a commercial 2-3 group one.🤣🤣
Very tough. I agree. The more tech the less expected reliability. I really like what rocket did with the removable screen. Keeps it farther away from the heat and water.