Apple Silicon Isn't What You Think It'll Be

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  • Apple is releasing new Apple Silicon Macs. What does this mean, what should you expect, and how is this going to benefit us as consumers? Will it? Snazzy Labs answers!
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    It has been a couple months since WWDC and the unveiling of Apple’s upcoming in-house silicon Macs and Apple itself has stated that the first of these new Intel-less computers are right around the corner. If not really soon-jury’s still out on that one-certainly by end-of-year. And while you’ve likely seen a number of videos from your favorite TH-camrs theorizing about what the future may hold, today I want to get to brass tacks and actually analyze why Apple wants to transition, the hardware they’ve engineered to make it happen, how software will play a vital role in all this, and why the transition might not be as picture perfect as they’ve led us all to believe.
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  • @stucorbishley
    @stucorbishley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    Such a great summary, been tangentially aware of all of this - but you've so elegantly picked apart the pertinent facts and added your opinions... Fantastic job as usual!

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Thanks, Stuart!

    • @mumble3535
      @mumble3535 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eloquent might be a more apt description than elegant

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      only problem i see is that he trusted the geekbench score a bit too much. geekbench really isnt a trustworthy benchmark, especially for cross platform

  • @kirschitz64
    @kirschitz64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +862

    BootCamp might survive if Microsoft treats Windows on ARM seriously.
    Aaand after seeing how it's up to the OEM according to Microsoft, there's hope.

    • @horizonrising7393
      @horizonrising7393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +155

      Apple should have switched to AMD, as their processors are getting much faster and more power efficient than both Intel and ARM, in fact AMD's new mobile Ryzen 7 4800U CPU that draws only 15W power like Apple's ARM chips runs even slightly faster than the Core i9-9880H that I have in my MacBook Pro and also referenced in this video. Apple COULD HAVE SAVED bootcamp 😂

    • @bwnzix
      @bwnzix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@horizonrising7393 I Agree. Then Boot Camp will work perfectly fine :)

    • @horizonrising7393
      @horizonrising7393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @UCNCwY67kmTk9gIz3GCRzZmg Hey, look up AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U specs and read its power consumption and compare it now with Apple's A12Z ARM CPU, LOL you haven't clearly done your homework.

    • @m1l3s27
      @m1l3s27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@horizonrising7393 what metric are you using to compare peak core performance between amd 4800u and a12? It's like apples and oranges man.

    • @comradeuro4255
      @comradeuro4255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      But it'll be useless, people want bootcamp for app support. Windows on ARM will have less apps than macOS

  • @lazudi
    @lazudi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This aged well

  • @poldelepel
    @poldelepel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +336

    François Piednoël is literally translated as Francis Christmasfoot.

    • @ABarbershopBarber
      @ABarbershopBarber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Stijn De Bruyn well the literal translation would be Footchristmas. But i get what you mean.

    • @danteregianifreitas6461
      @danteregianifreitas6461 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@ABarbershopBarber adjective order is different in French, he is correct

    • @MS-ot2cz
      @MS-ot2cz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol that’s interesting

    • @ABarbershopBarber
      @ABarbershopBarber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Dante Regiani Freitas i understand adjective order is different. But then that’s not a “literal” translation. A literal translation makes no adjustment for proper word order. Especially useful for singers to know which word means what in a foreign language poem. Very useful for German since their sentence order is so different as well.

    • @danteregianifreitas6461
      @danteregianifreitas6461 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ABarbershopBarber ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @ThisIsTechToday
    @ThisIsTechToday 3 ปีที่แล้ว +988

    Thanks so much for making this video. Answered a lot of questions!

    • @computerman9971
      @computerman9971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed! Also remember me?

    • @WarriorsPhoto
      @WarriorsPhoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree he made the transition look a lot clearer and less over whelming. What kind of videos do you make?

    • @Sarcasmka14
      @Sarcasmka14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not problem bro🙄❤️❤️

    • @aroraakshaj70
      @aroraakshaj70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Free Speech I partially agree, but lets be honest, who actually games on a Mac??? :D
      Atleast I know for sure I wont be getting one, because I won't be able to get ny Windows VMs, or Bootcamp to run. And I seriously need Windows apart from MacOS.

    • @keshavsakthi546
      @keshavsakthi546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Free Speech yes yes intel is sandbagging and loosing mind and market share to amd for no reason whatsoever. I do agree with your scaling problem for the apple silicon but nothing is set in stone on that front

  • @racso5628
    @racso5628 3 ปีที่แล้ว +228

    One of the most level headed TH-camrs. Definitely my style and I’ve greatly enjoyed your stuff.

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      My head is not that flat, though.

    • @patricklebel1141
      @patricklebel1141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@snazzy well as flat as the earth 😉

    • @greasysteve5671
      @greasysteve5671 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@snazzy LMAO, Quin never change

    • @AKALcoid
      @AKALcoid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good reviewer. Completely opinion based.

    • @mustafatalal4822
      @mustafatalal4822 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Snazzy Labs
      Now that I noticed
      It is noticeably flat 😂

  • @GamesRTech
    @GamesRTech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Also..... We can get back a true Macbook "AIR" since it can be very light and may have a crazy battery life!✌🏻🙃

    • @bijandey5634
      @bijandey5634 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Pervy_Sage I found that funnier than I should have.

    • @jorelplay8738
      @jorelplay8738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That’s if they don’t chop the battery, to make the laptop lighter and thinner

    • @thebravegallade731
      @thebravegallade731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jorelplay8738 I mean, the current ipad airs have good battery life. the savings on battery that apple's chips allow would keep the battery life even if they chop the battery capacity in half.

    • @nathantaylor2026
      @nathantaylor2026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You stole my profile picture!

    • @GamesRTech
      @GamesRTech 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nathantaylor2026 haha😂 cheers brother🍻✌🏻

  • @veewooks924
    @veewooks924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I don’t know what you’re talking about but I like the way you’re saying it

  • @ayamemcpherson8139
    @ayamemcpherson8139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +276

    Why is everyone talking about being early? Quinn actually said some interesting stuff!

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      They commented too quickly to realize it!

    • @ayamemcpherson8139
      @ayamemcpherson8139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol maybe!

    • @daa589
      @daa589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      :34 seconds in!

    • @WarriorsPhoto
      @WarriorsPhoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He always makes some great videos and not everyone will agree with his points. (:

  • @approxahmed
    @approxahmed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    I was about to sleep, it's almost 4 am
    thanks Quinn

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      You can sleep in 13:59.

    • @joestorer7005
      @joestorer7005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol its 730 pm for me

    • @parthpro8763
      @parthpro8763 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sleep Snazzy

    • @WarriorsPhoto
      @WarriorsPhoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where are you in the world?

    • @julian5857
      @julian5857 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joestorer7005 7:30 am for me now 😂

  • @emlyndewar
    @emlyndewar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    "Thinner design" - Lets hope not. Obsession with thin designs is painful with Apple.

    • @paulstubbs7678
      @paulstubbs7678 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      What, you don't love the butterfly keyswitches

    • @griffin8062
      @griffin8062 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Can't wait for people's macbooks to start bending in their bag

    • @nattankress
      @nattankress 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@griffin8062 I accidentally bent a Macbook air of the older ones once by hauling in my bag near engineering books

    • @Shanboss277
      @Shanboss277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Don’t worry, Jony Ive left Apple. We’re good

    • @ZachAgape
      @ZachAgape 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha true xD But it's painful when it compromises on other things. Other wise, why not? Ultimately it means a lighter and more portable product, and also a less power hungry product, which is better both for your electricity bill and for the environment. I mean think of how huge in size laptops were 15 years ago!

  • @mariacheebandidos7183
    @mariacheebandidos7183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    6:33 Rene thanks you.
    8:55 when it comes to Apple, some people just lose perspective or rationale

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mariachee Bandidos
      Rene?
      Haló, haló - René Artois!
      worries
      Why you need this channel, is he smart enough to help you?

    • @diavalus
      @diavalus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lucasrem Well, for sure he's smarter than you. Plus, he's not on a channel he dislikes and bashing on multiple topics about him.

  • @Megaphonix
    @Megaphonix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is such a fantastic video! Really great look into all the intricacies of this move.

  • @Djoki1
    @Djoki1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    This is what windows mobile should have been
    Too bad, considering it ended in a dumpster

  • @levonlock
    @levonlock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This video was hands down the most informative video I've ever seen on the new Apple Silicon. Thanks so much Quinn and team. I learnt a lot

  • @mreleven7826
    @mreleven7826 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the most informative video I have watched this year . Most tech channels talk about things we already know but this is different. Great work.

  • @adityaupalkar007
    @adityaupalkar007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    The video quality and presentation seems more personal and equally professional at the same time. It’s hard to establish that balance. Great Video, Quinn. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍...

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks dude!

  • @LTX-Shep
    @LTX-Shep 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You always do great videos. Clearly, a lot of work and research go into them. Thanks.

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cheers!

  • @chucksumpter7340
    @chucksumpter7340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely love watching your videos! Keep up the great work my friend...

  • @joshgastin
    @joshgastin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I appreciate the history + insights! Subbed 🔥

  • @GGAS325
    @GGAS325 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Great video but bit of a clickbait thumbnail? You can't really say "FINALLY HERE!!!" when it's not even here yet...

    • @bwnzix
      @bwnzix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      its 26 hours till the event mate 🤣🤣

    • @daa589
      @daa589 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Francis Hubert 🤣

    • @Loopysoloist
      @Loopysoloist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's been available in development kits

    • @decisiveness
      @decisiveness 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The event is tomorrow, but yeah it shouldn't say that. Then again, it does say "it'll" in the title so it's clear it wasn't here yet.

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven
      the mini refurbished on ARM dev kits!
      Why you need it now, why the Caps Lock weirdo talk???

  • @goJesusandStarcraft
    @goJesusandStarcraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    apple silicon chips => no more AVX, AVX2, AVX-512 instructions => no more Intel MKL or OpenBLAS => trying to use numpy (or other libraries) for any sort of linear algebra computations that are common to data science and machine learning, will be SLOW.
    This is one example of how apple silicon macs would actually be a massive detriment to a specific workflow
    I get that the move to apple silicon is great for most people who use mainstream apps to do mainstream things. It will be great for normies who use their laptops to browse the web, draft emails, write notes, and watch videos. And apple silicon macs will also benefit a few categories of pros who use apps like FCPX that will be compiled and optimized to run on apple silicon. In short, apple silicon will be better for, i dunno, 80% or more of users.
    But the remaining 20% of us - those who use any of the myriad Windows-only programs (Solidworks, FlexSim, a ton of engineering / simulation programs), or those who develop using any of the myriad software libraries that are designed to run on x86 (and probably won't just be magically "optimized" for arm) - this is looking to be the end of the road for macs. Hopefully I get proven wrong.

  • @Wahinies
    @Wahinies 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This answered all questions I had and then some on the ARM transition. Thank you!

  • @gapted
    @gapted 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content. Great knowledge, well supported theories, well delivered, and, of course, super Snazzy presentation. Thanks!

  • @MrVanderwel
    @MrVanderwel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    "The options are limitless" does this guy even know how Apple operates? :D

    • @nyubi007
      @nyubi007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yes, he does. That's why he's saying it.

    • @alpacamale2909
      @alpacamale2909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      it was sarcasm, you just don't get it because he's an apple user using ARM.

    • @servantbyday
      @servantbyday 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      r/woosh

    • @utubekullanicisi
      @utubekullanicisi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He does. He’s been a Mac guy since he was born.

  • @davidthomson5507
    @davidthomson5507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Dude, you're so jazzed about this stuff that I'm starting the think that you're running on ARM. Great vid.

    • @paulgero
      @paulgero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should run the video at 1.75x speed !! Really jazzed. 😉. Great info! Thanks.

  • @guido76
    @guido76 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent conclusions! It´s always a great excercise to think about all this changes in your way. Great work!

  • @olcaybuyan
    @olcaybuyan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well curated and explained. Great video. Thanks

  • @zenmaster24
    @zenmaster24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    11:15 "i think a lot of people believe apple's going to come in balls blazing"
    is that really the epxression? 😂

    • @kentatakao6863
      @kentatakao6863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      guns blazing + balls to the wall

    • @ABarbershopBarber
      @ABarbershopBarber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      zen usually “guns a blazing.”

    • @MaxBaltzer
      @MaxBaltzer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It is now hahah

    • @Mevi
      @Mevi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I tried it once, do not recommend

    • @paulstubbs7678
      @paulstubbs7678 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mevi Sounds painfull, had my attention

  • @bazza2540
    @bazza2540 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love the thumnail on this one. Oh, and it's 4pm here...

  • @hamidershad
    @hamidershad 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this! Lots of good info and analyses. 👏🏼

  • @waltercabanillaslopez6467
    @waltercabanillaslopez6467 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, a lot explained, very informative, thank you very much, keep doing it!!!

  • @Fashionlifestyle_Official
    @Fashionlifestyle_Official 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thank you for sharing!Hope everybody here becomes successful on TH-cam

    • @Chrissy4605
      @Chrissy4605 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Linus tech tips!!!!

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fashion & lifestyle
      TH-cam jobs? why the weirdo channel? Fashion, makeup tips? Style?
      Stay save at home, nobody will notice.....

    • @Fashionlifestyle_Official
      @Fashionlifestyle_Official 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lucasrem Positive vibes only! but thanks dear :)

  • @sinorcdit
    @sinorcdit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Really like this so much more than those onboard the hype train , I mean I’m really excited as well, but don’t want to get my hopes up way too high. Great video

  • @edfloreshz
    @edfloreshz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel and videos are always interesting, I don't know how you do it but good job!

  • @theagilemaker
    @theagilemaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video! Great breakdown and analysis.

  • @katrinabryce
    @katrinabryce 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I'd like to see a 12" MacBook that is basically an iPad Pro with a permanently attached keyboard, no touch screen, and 2 USB C ports, for about $800.
    That is a wish, not a prediction.

    • @fullfunk
      @fullfunk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      800$ AHHAHAH 1800$

    • @Austin1990
      @Austin1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Considering the cost of the 12” iPad Pro, $1400 would probably be the cheapest something like that would be.
      Edit: I bought one of the highest quality Ryzen 7 4700U ultrabooks available, and it was $1100 without being as nice as what you describe. Granted, it has a 1TB MVME drive and 16GB of RAM. But, I wouldn’t buy a MacBook with lower specs. It _couldn’t_ be cheaper than what I bought. And, if it could match what I bought in performance while having a better screen, I think $1600 would be reasonable.

    • @sonicgirl3582
      @sonicgirl3582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Austin P the 12” macbook isn’t gonna be $1400 lol, it’s rumored to be $800. the 13” mbp is rumored to be $1100 these make sense because apple is saving billions of dollars since they don’t have to pay intel anymore, and with the pandemic going on they’re not gonna make it expensive

    • @darkdemon613
      @darkdemon613 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ohhhh samee

    • @Austin1990
      @Austin1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Daisy
      I’d like to believe that. But, AMD chips are far cheaper than Intel chips, yet companies still struggle to make good budget laptops. If it has 256GB of storage and only 4GB of RAM, that is more reasonable for $800. But, that still seems pushing it. We will see, though.

  • @fulviorock
    @fulviorock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    4:07 Italian mode: ON

  • @makemoneynow5061
    @makemoneynow5061 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad I found this channel! Your videos are so good!

  • @dacoolist
    @dacoolist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the videos! Keep up the great work fam!

  • @miken8150
    @miken8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You're positively giddy about this transition!

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I (shockingly) am!

  • @Blueyzachary
    @Blueyzachary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    “ARM. Excuse me, Apple Silicon” 😂

  • @ericstephenvorm
    @ericstephenvorm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent speculation. I loved everything about this- the production, the narration, the detail. Really appreciate you putting this together!

  • @StellarAudyssey
    @StellarAudyssey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid. Quality from start to finish 👍

  • @hiroshiahsan9593
    @hiroshiahsan9593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You were so far off the mark on your prediction on the performance, dude.

    • @edwardmupenda3080
      @edwardmupenda3080 ปีที่แล้ว

      They ended up quoating 2x cpu and 3.5x gpu jump. But he was expecting 40% jump hahah

  • @iamkailong
    @iamkailong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice video, here is some of my problem about some of your point.
    You complemented how apple manage to emulate x86 app using apple silicon and have pretty good performance, evidence by their benchmark score. However, emulating x86 using arm chip is not like the other way around, performance drop is always linear when emulate arm using x86 due to the simplicity nature of arm. Emulate x86, the performance drop will vary task by task, and simple benchmark won't be able to tell the difference as in terms of "raw computing performance" the drop-off is not drastic, especially when apple can optimise specially for certain benchmark. As seen by some test, the video decoding and gaming performance drop-off is much higher when using apple silicon, as expected, and if they don't do special optimisation for that it will stay that way.
    You also said that it is likely that using apple silicon will improve battery life and reduce heat gen. This is true, but is overrated. Apple silicon ie a12x/z still can get up to 10w when under load, and probably will be even higher if they want to have more performance in their macs, the relationship is not linear too. From 10w to 20w, it might gain only 20% more performance, then need to get to 40w for another 20%(totally make up number, but you get my point). Considering how stupid they design the mba heatsink, I think they still have ways to fuck it up.
    And finally, I afraid due to the swap, big game dev will finally completely drop Macs support. The future of Mac gaming is even worse now, with only mobile game to choose from. People may agrue mobile game is the future, but I am sorry in recent years I haven't seen one good single player aaa game in mobile market, all are p2p/skinn selling mobile esport titles. The scene just died with infinity Blade stop continue developing.

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      good performance?? I studied cpu architecture and all cpu are tested with several benchmarks and geekbench is the less acurate..google how power9 risc was tested and several benchmarks were used, apple only showed geekbench,,why do they dont show a video of an ARM prototype mac doing a real world test showing the screen ?

    • @iamkailong
      @iamkailong 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Teluric2 That is my first point.

  • @maximilianbeiel6812
    @maximilianbeiel6812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Already watch your videos for a while but this one finally made me subscribe to your channel!
    Awesome video!

  • @nathandaven
    @nathandaven 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was so good ! easy to understand, love it

  • @sethagastya
    @sethagastya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    But question: since thunderbolt 3 is Intel’s proprietary tech - what would the new MacBooks use?!

    • @quantuminfinity4260
      @quantuminfinity4260 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      USB 4.0, The thunderbolt standard was basically given to the standards people for USB, So it will have the same functionality, but much more universal and much easier to implement.

    • @johngwheeler
      @johngwheeler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Apple stated that the new Macs will use Thunderbolt - not sure if version 3 or 4.

    • @R3lay0
      @R3lay0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There even are AMD chipset mainboards with Thunderbolt

  • @TruittMurrow
    @TruittMurrow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So here is what concerns me. I am a video editor. I use a Mac because all of my colleagues use Macs, and I want to make sure that everything stays compatible. I'd love to move to PC, but that is a story for another time. On the projects I am working on, we use Avid Media Composer (again, not something that can be easily be changed). When Apple dropped support for 32-bit apps in Catalina, that included Avid. It took until May this year for Avid to release an update that could run on Catalina. And it is still not as reliable as the previous versions. That transition doesn't make me feel hopeful for this transition. I'm sure the new chips will be more powerful and efficient, but what is the point if I can't use the software that I need to use?
    I know during the announcement, they said that the entire Adobe Creative suite was converted to run natively, but is it going to be that simple for everyone?

    • @TheJtorres182
      @TheJtorres182 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Smaller studios will struggle for sure, expect a long wait time for more niche software.

    • @kooldude1928
      @kooldude1928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wouldn’t Rosetta 2 help with software like this? Genuine question, not being a smartass lol

    • @anneburich3913
      @anneburich3913 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How difficult would it be to move to a PC after using a MacBook Pro 13 for 8 years? And which one would you recommend? Dell XPS 13? All the 2020 MacBooks seem to be having overheating issues, and I'm not sure that the new Silicon Apples will be bug free. I don't like the Touch Bar either. Thanks.

    • @jani0077
      @jani0077 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anneburich3913 almost all of the newer macbook pros post 2017 have overheating issues. Just try to open the bottom and look into their thermal design. Totally idiotic choice of thermal routing you won't find in other manufacturers laptops. I don't see a reason having macbook pro thinner whatsoever.

  • @levoniust
    @levoniust 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally A deep dive! Thank you for a better understanding. Do you think arm should be the future of all desktops?

  • @tmillot
    @tmillot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing explanations, thank you!

  • @casperes0912
    @casperes0912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Only thing confusing me is that the title is that AS is not what I think, but then you proceeded to say a bunch of things already in my mind... You lied to me, Quinn. I cried

  • @Aiello_
    @Aiello_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    You're going to do a video about Nvidia buying ARM? I've been wondering how that's going to affect Apple (if at all)

    • @johola
      @johola 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Won't. Apple has only licensed the ARM command set. They don't use ARM architecture, that is all apple. So it's hard to imagine any way nvidias purchase could impact this.

    • @dhruvakhera5011
      @dhruvakhera5011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      and if it does, and apple is forced, they can buy nvidia or buy ARM from Nvidia but that won't happen because qualcomm is still a company that also uses arm and both of them would eat nvidia alive

    • @Aiello_
      @Aiello_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@johola i see, thanks for the information

    • @alphazar
      @alphazar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Shouldn't affect Apple or any other licensees. Nvidia would have to be careful not to be anticompetitive. Another thing is, Apple licensed ARM instruction sets, but design its own cores in-house. Apple Silicon also comprises more than just ARM cpu as it also includes other proprietary custom chips designed by Apple.

    • @ashdavis4845
      @ashdavis4845 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      as other comments have said, Apple only uses the ARM instruction set, and their license will likely survive any sale of ARM until the license expires (if it ever does). Even assuming that Apple really screwed up those negotiations and that isn't the case, Nvidia would be dumb to go directly for Apple on licensing any time soon because Apple will sue them into oblivion for anti-competitive practices along with anything under the sun they can get to stick. it'd also send the wrong message to other non-Apple OEMs, as that'd promote anxiety about their positions with Nvidia-ARM going forward, which is never good after a sale.

  • @ahmedp800
    @ahmedp800 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super informative!
    Thank you.

  • @adreus4759
    @adreus4759 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I‘m stoked for the snazzy labs videos on this one!

  • @germiahcunil146
    @germiahcunil146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Damn quinn! You nailed this one! So far best video ever! The only von of this video was that its too short! Your vids must be longer cz they are great! I defenitly know u deserve 1M subs and dont know y u arent at 1M subs yet cz ur vids are lit! Keep up the great work!

  • @AtanasMinkovFeed
    @AtanasMinkovFeed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Watching this in 2021 is funny.

  • @AleCopart
    @AleCopart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Sr you make an excellent VIDEO & analysis here!

  • @Skjoldborg8
    @Skjoldborg8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Subscribed! Awesome thoughts, and visions for what apple might do. Love it so much, and yeah the dreams and hope are big! ... no huge actually! 😅💥

  • @AtinSinghal
    @AtinSinghal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Can’t wait for a Mac which has an EMI equivalent to my house EMI 😬

    • @astitva5002
      @astitva5002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      apple silicon will be cheaper to manufacture you can expect cheaper macs

    • @pantsu1265
      @pantsu1265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      its gonnna be pretty cheap compared to present ones

    • @johnedwards1968
      @johnedwards1968 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@astitva5002 Manufacturing cost is NOT why Macs are so pricey.

    • @astitva5002
      @astitva5002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnedwards1968 I mean I hope Apple is smart enough to not keep raising their prices and remain a hypebeast of a tech company. Students are a great market, I'm sure they will release cheaper macs that are powerful enough too

    • @AtinSinghal
      @AtinSinghal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Apoorv Sahay You got inside info? Why would they price it cheaper than it’s now? They need funds for R&D as well you know... And what I wrote above was meant for the Mac Pro considering prices for wheels, stand for the display and all... the more customisation options, the bigger the price tag!

  • @scooter4196
    @scooter4196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    1:10 COMPUTER CHRONICLES!!!!!

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I wish it still existed.

    • @MirekFe
      @MirekFe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think I should try to bring back something like this, but on TH-cam this time.
      🤔

    • @MirekFe
      @MirekFe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @referral madness
      I would wear 80s style glasses, with a matching suit, and mannerism. Lol 😂
      That would be very informative, and entertaining. Not to mention, relaxing.

    • @MattDaddyPrime
      @MattDaddyPrime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stewart Cheifet FTMFW

  • @ichisukeryu119
    @ichisukeryu119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mann i wish you're like every high school or uni professor. Very informative, sounds cool and witty. Classes will never be boring!

  • @gabes80
    @gabes80 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Superb, thorough video. Really informative. Thanks dude!

  • @nouryounes2553
    @nouryounes2553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Idk about everyone else, but I’m waiting for an ARM Mac mini, the more powerful the better

  • @martinsauer5311
    @martinsauer5311 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I bet iJustine, him and other Apple TH-camrs already have Apple Silicon Macs laying around in there homes

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost anyone could. All you have to do is have an App Store developer account and you could be put on the list for a dev kit. I'm on the list and the only app I've ever published was flashlight everyone builds in their first TH-cam tutorial. Granted, on the list doesn't mean I'll actually get a kit before the public launch.

  • @lejacobo
    @lejacobo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great analysis man, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, I’d figured the delays in the new smaller process intel cpus affected the macbooks as well, makes so much sense, right?

  • @GoddamnAxl
    @GoddamnAxl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your high quality, deep insight videos

  • @poke_champ
    @poke_champ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    13:20 Adding this to my vocabulary

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s a spehsul word.

  • @mvz
    @mvz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I dont think Adobe's full suite will ever make it to arm natively...

    • @Yilz19
      @Yilz19 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, don't think so. Too much of an hassle for no return

    • @NightDevilMacGeneral
      @NightDevilMacGeneral 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They will eventually manage to migrate it the year Apple discontinues the Rosetta 2 transition layer (and won’t bother too much before that deadline). Just like last time when migrating from PowerPC to x86 (or MacOS 9.2 to MacOS X).

    • @SilentG20
      @SilentG20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You clearly never heard of photoshop and illustrator on the iPad in the past 4-5 years? If someone's well prepared for the transition, it's going to be adobe.

    • @NightDevilMacGeneral
      @NightDevilMacGeneral 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @todooeoeo do those versions have feature parity yet? Last time I checked they were miles behind...

    • @BrawndoQC
      @BrawndoQC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Yilz19 Adobe, a public company that relies on software subscriptions, would not update their software.. get real please.

  • @Naessey
    @Naessey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was...well...very informative. Answered a number of questions and raises a few others. Thank you.

  • @radiantav
    @radiantav 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such an amazing insight and detailed analysis. Awesome work, Quinn.

  • @antoxnsoekanto4529
    @antoxnsoekanto4529 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Usually when apple start to be more "exclusive" we find jump in price.

    • @mlplnz
      @mlplnz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's what I'm dreading...

    • @s.i.m.c.a
      @s.i.m.c.a 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it is a problems of ppl who use Apple overpriced products still. Apple able to highly tight ppl with eco system .. like on drugs, and due to there no competition in apple eco-system, company will dictate whatever it wanted to..and slaves will follow

    • @mapleaviation2
      @mapleaviation2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@s.i.m.c.a Slaves? Seriously?

    • @valputnal9156
      @valputnal9156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      4:07 Italian mode: ON

    • @mlplnz
      @mlplnz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@valputnal9156 Italians do that hand gesture to express the fact that they are not understanding what someone is saying, not at random. Source: an Italian guy.

  • @Kevroa1
    @Kevroa1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Pretty sure that geekbench score is still higher than the macbook air.. Literally a mobile chip for phones and tablets is faster than the macbook air

    • @Termsofseve
      @Termsofseve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      intel moment

    • @berkiyo
      @berkiyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Anything at this point, even a 2013 Ivy bridge thinkpad is going to be faster than a MacBook Air. Why? They failed at thermal management. I feel that this chassis is going to be used with ARM thus the no heat pipe design.

    • @Termsofseve
      @Termsofseve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      berkelium the bad thermal management was because apple put too much hope on intel, i feel like they will do something really good with apple silicon

    • @agaskew
      @agaskew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Termsofseve nah, Apple utterly b0rked the heatsink/paste/fan set up in the new Air

    • @ebraheembambotia1745
      @ebraheembambotia1745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm betting Apple's gonna push the A14X to higher clocks for the MacBooks.

  • @rickster4627
    @rickster4627 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video shows just how little people expected apple to knock it out of the park with their M1 chip when they did

  • @rckeesing
    @rckeesing 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Could you post the link to the chip binning video mentioned at 7.00?

  • @TheNameOfJesus
    @TheNameOfJesus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    New slogan for Apple: "Intel now Outside"

  • @andreaslassak2111
    @andreaslassak2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    However, Rosetta doesn’t translate the following executables:
    Kernel extensions
    Virtual Machine apps that virtualize x86_64 computer platforms

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andreas Lassak
      Why you use Rosetta II now, why you need Mac?
      Windows apps?

    • @ceticobr
      @ceticobr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lucasrem Docker, linux apps...

    • @andreaslassak2111
      @andreaslassak2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ceticobr Dude u cant run VM in Docker. OMG. Its not about apps.

    • @andreaslassak2111
      @andreaslassak2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lucasrem Developing on Mac is my business, I have everything from Apple. But coding cross apps compatible with x86 is my daily job. Do you understand ?

    • @andreaslassak2111
      @andreaslassak2111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ceticobr ARM linux, useless

  • @ak_hoops
    @ak_hoops 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phenomenal explanation and break down! Great video honestly

  • @Hacker4991
    @Hacker4991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Anyone else hear background noise? 9:55 you can hear someone else definitely talking

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Neighbors were being loud. Wasn’t much I could do. Sorry.

  • @HyperVV
    @HyperVV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    "when your customers start findinding almost as much bugs as you found yourself, you're not leading into a right place"
    *microsoft's windows division sweating nervously*

    • @nagarajanvaidya9266
      @nagarajanvaidya9266 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      underrated comment

    • @MrSmokinDragon
      @MrSmokinDragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      software vs hardware, like comparing oranges and cars

    • @gwenwalravens8030
      @gwenwalravens8030 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrSmokinDragon Especially software that supports pretty much every single piece of hardware in existence. Windows is unique in that.

    • @thebuddercweeper
      @thebuddercweeper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gwen Walravens Linux 🤣

    • @gwenwalravens8030
      @gwenwalravens8030 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thebuddercweeper Linux hardly supports anything natively.

  • @patricktrossbach668
    @patricktrossbach668 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, I'm super excited for the Apple announcement later today! :)

  • @indroneelray5569
    @indroneelray5569 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a very informative video! Thank you

  • @Darkspoon1506
    @Darkspoon1506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Interested to see what the response will be from Microsoft, Intel and AMD. Will they need to do anything to compete? Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones? Idk enough about this industry to say but it feels like there are some big shifts happening in the computing space atm and I like it.

    • @cgraham6
      @cgraham6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones?"
      I'd say Nvidia's entire Tegra line would suggest so. It's only been around since 2008.

    • @evancrazyerror
      @evancrazyerror 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      cgraham6 The Surface 2 and the Nintendo Switch would say otherwise.
      Both use Tegra chips and both are woefully underpowered. I’m not saying Nvidia couldn’t make a chip that could rival Qualcomm and then Apple, if they had the same Ampere team but instead they specialized in the CPU, ho-ly shit Apple would have some competition. But I don’t think it’s their main focus for right now.

    • @thebravegallade731
      @thebravegallade731 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evancrazyerror Tegra isn't underpowerd by itself, it has been the most powerful mobile chipset for several years.
      its just that before the switch came along, their was no market for the tegra.
      with the switch making bank they now have an actual REASON to make a good powerful new Tegra chip.
      Plus, combine ARM with Nvidia's DLSS tech.... now THAT is beauty that can punch FAR abouve its weight in gaming and redering

    • @m1l3s27
      @m1l3s27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thebravegallade731 dude the Tegra in the switch is shit. Nvidias arm chips are shit, that's why they're relegated to stuff like automotive sector powering shitty infotainment. They're woefully inefficient, which is why they stopped in the mobile market. Qualcomm destroyed them repeatedly. Could they reenter the market and kill it? Yes, but they'd need to prioritize. I'd love for someone to set Qualcomm's lazy ass on fire.

    • @amineabdz
      @amineabdz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nvidia literally acquired ARM ... they will most likely make SoCs

  • @evindrews
    @evindrews 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    rumor mill says 14" macbook pro tomorrow. Bro, you've got me all hyped up now.

    • @demochannel6146
      @demochannel6146 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i would keep my expectation low. x86 has all those instructions for a reason. ARM, by all means lightweight and suited for mobile applications that dont need all extra instruction set. It's like thinking "Oh god, look how a bike is so lightweight than a car, lets make a car out of a bike". The amount of workaround soft devs will do to fit with ARM instruction will penalize the performance.

    • @johngwheeler
      @johngwheeler 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@demochannel6146 Don't tell that to the manufacturers like Amazon, Marvell & Ampere who are producing 200W 80-core ARM CPUs.....which compete very favorably with Intel & AMD CPUs that cost up to twice as much. Do some research on ARM in the data center.

    • @demochannel6146
      @demochannel6146 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johngwheeler i think you are missing the point please. Data centers, again, designed to do specific thing, much like mobile platform. Where there is instructions to shave, ARM shines. Desktop is a vast platform, where people use it in so many different ways. x86 has those extra instruction sets for a reason.

  • @thijsvandenberg5390
    @thijsvandenberg5390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and explanation as always. Who's renting the unit next to you though? Very deep bass voice in the background ;)

  • @kevind2411
    @kevind2411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving your latest videos Quinn!

  • @DrummingTmate
    @DrummingTmate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2019 performance but with a stage presentation talking about "Magic" that makes it seem better than a 64 core Threadripper.

    • @BrotherO4
      @BrotherO4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      show me where you gonna get that performance at that power usage with intel. i will wait for you.

  • @alexklusa7200
    @alexklusa7200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    13:20 while their CPUs are "Spessil" XDDDD

  • @JohnMFlores
    @JohnMFlores 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis. Thanks.

  • @advaithshibu7042
    @advaithshibu7042 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving the videos, so much to think about regarding whether it'll be worth getting an Apple Silicon Mac in the first year or two. Keep it up!

  • @JR-mk6ow
    @JR-mk6ow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    If Apple used the 4000 series Ryzen the MacBook would be perfect. Great battery, crazy performance, cheaper.
    They'll probably get some crazy battery because it's ARMs. But well, could get the power as well. Let's see

    • @gorudonu
      @gorudonu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, but ARM is not magic, if you push it hard for programming then it will also drain battery like crazy

    • @evancrazyerror
      @evancrazyerror 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apple doesn’t want to rely on another company again.
      AMD is soaring right now but eventually they’ll hit their roadblock and Intel will become the de facto chip manufacturer again. Then AMD will come up with something new after Intel’s done nothing for a decade, and the cycle continues.
      I wouldn’t be surprised if apple got into that cycle too, but they’d have themselves to blame. They wouldn’t be waiting on another company to fix themselves.

    • @ToomanyFrancis
      @ToomanyFrancis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a bad take. The benefits of Apple Silicon are not just based on raw performance, it may perform better than intel chips do/ did, but the real purpose is Apple specific architecture that can be designed with only Apple products in mind. Think buying an off-the-rack suit then having it tailored VS. a custom made bespoke suit.

    • @gorudonu
      @gorudonu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toomany Francis it depends, if Apple can keep up with both software and hardware, we need to have it in mind that although they have a lot of money, they also have limited number of engineers. I just want them to open up a little bit for customers and give more ability to put ssds and ram but I know that they do it, still it nice to dream about world where people collaborate with each other from time to time 😉

    • @BenjaminDosSantosJr
      @BenjaminDosSantosJr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@gorudonu More people involved in development means more points of failure. Apple has run the numbers and has seen that they can take care of the cost of developing and maintaining the architecture as well as the software. When everything is made in house development is faster, testing is more detailed, and results are accomplished faster. If Apple "open[s] up a little bit for customers" it will make the hardware worse for the end-user. The flexibility to change the hardware on the consumer level means more complexity on the development side and thus more points of failure.

  • @jeremydean5336
    @jeremydean5336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Question why is there so much bad press about Apple silicon M1. I have the Apple M1 MacBook Pro. I think it’s grate so what’s the problem?

  • @ben6
    @ben6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i went clicking through so many other youtubers who made multiple videos about the same thing, only to waffle on and not get to the point 4-5 minutes in. Your video packs a lot of info, thanks :)

  • @senorfrog5605
    @senorfrog5605 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey quin, random question: how many apps do you have start up when you first turn on your macs? My 2019 16” mbp gets up to 145degrees F ... even if I disable all the apps on start up, it still gets as high as 110F. Is that normal or is something wrong with my mbp? Thanks in advance

  • @sanrasuzumaki942
    @sanrasuzumaki942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yes! I'm excited for things to work like you say, if they make Rosetta2 to translate not only the current Mac apps but say, .exe files without the need to use bootcamp or parallels or wine , would be great!

    • @joshuagollaher9614
      @joshuagollaher9614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be impossible without something like wine

    • @JimONeil
      @JimONeil 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s not what Rosetta does at all. You’re just fantasizing unrealistically.

    • @abubakrakram6208
      @abubakrakram6208 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshuagollaher9614 Isn't Rosetta already like Wine, with the difference being that it translates x86 macOS applications to arm macOS instead of translating x86 Windows applications to x86 Linux? Why couldn't they add the ability to translate x86 Windows applications to arm macOS applications?

    • @JimONeil
      @JimONeil 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rosetta translates hardware instructions. You are talking about translation/conversion on a software level. It’s a completely different thing.

    • @joshuagollaher9614
      @joshuagollaher9614 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abubakrakram6208 Wine actually implements all Windows APIs on Linux, there is no translation. Rosetta on the other hand translates instructions, with no other compatibility layer.

  • @abielgeorge7228
    @abielgeorge7228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Who will actually be upgrading to the new arm based macs

  • @CEOdawg
    @CEOdawg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now I'm really excited for the new iMacs and Mac minis next month!! Thanks for the info!

  • @BrandonsOnline
    @BrandonsOnline 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another quality video, well done!

  • @isaackrueger6637
    @isaackrueger6637 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Did no one else notice how he said “special” at the end??

    • @cardboardpackage
      @cardboardpackage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      13:20

    • @adrda610
      @adrda610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Came down to the comments to check on this exact thing.

    • @WarriorsPhoto
      @WarriorsPhoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I didn't .

    • @Austin1990
      @Austin1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’d be surprised how difficult recording a video this long without misspeaking a single time is.