@@joeblackman9363 They also never talk about Lebron and Biogenesys ped's. What player you know starts the season looking sickly, then tells his team he needs to fly out to miami, comes back bulked up and looks like a superhero, within weeks.
When Jordan faced Magic Johnson in the Finals, he wanted to beat Magic at his own game to prove his dominance over Magic. So what did he do? Jordan averaged 11.4 assists per game in the 1991 Finals. Yes, you read that right and you can look it up. 11.4 apg….it remains the highest assists per game in the Finals after only one man: Magic. And Jordan is only 1 of 4 people that has averaged over 10 apg in a finals series. And LeBron isn’t one of them.
Same with his 3 ball.. Media/peers saying he was a bad 3point shooter so as you say, what'd MJ do? Set a playoff record for 3pointers made in a single half at the time.. Media said Jordan couldn't win😐 Now his name is synonymous with winning etc etc.. His entire career was just knocking down That's why although some numbers may suggest others were better at certain facets of basketball MJ one up'd and was winning too..
How in the f*** can you look at LeBron's resume and say it's Flawless and then look at Michael Jordan's and not think the same thing........HOW TF DO YOU 3 PEAT TWICE???
LeBron twice in the late 2000s in two different seasons said that Kobe was the best player in our league in the second time he even said I've been quoted before and saying that Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league
@@themilkman4448 Draymond channeling his Lebron fan energy by lying about Lebron being the best player since 2005 lmao. He also said Lebron had no help which was a damn lie.
Bcse as I keep telln them they are always Quick to speak abt MJ wen he lost to the Celtics & the Pistons who beat MJ before or in the ECF but they always wnt to FORGET or LEAVE LBJ's LOSSES BEHIND, a mean 10 NBA FINALS 6 LOSSES 2 SWEEPS with all the help he had lololol wht a joke or waste I call him The G.L.O.A.T ........ GREATEST LOSER OF ALL TIME
@@sroland3533 The greatest loser of all-time would be a player that never made the playoffs. If you're going to troll, make sure you do a great job at it. There was never a single Finals where Jordan had less Hall of Fame talent (in terms of players, coaches, and executives) than the opposition did. It's 2023 and we're still talking about finals records? At this point in LeBron's career, LeBron has a better case for being the GOAT than Jordan when removing playoff success from the debate. LeBron already lapped the field in stats and lapped the field in accolades. The official site of the league has the player profiles of both players and it shows that LeBron has more physical and non-physical honors than Jordan. Physical means that you can actually hold it and place it into a trophy case. Swap Jordan in for LeBron on those Cavs teams and I guarantee you that they don't make the finals anywhere close to 10 times. Swap Larry Bird in for LeBron and the Cavs would make the finals more times than if it was Jordan who was swapped in for LeBron. Magic Johnson would've also taken those Cavs teams further than Jordan would've. Simply said because Jordan wasn't a team-first player. He was a me-first/shoot-first player while Magic, Bird, and LeBron were multi-dimensional players who looked to make their teammates better. There was a time when Jordan in the pre-pippen era had: -Oakley who was the league leader in total rebounds in the '87 season (not to be confused with rpg) while giving the team 14PPG -Woodridge who averaged 20+PPG in 2 consecutive seasons on 52% scoring COMBINED in '85 and '86 -Paxson who shot 43% from 3 point range in both the '86 and '87 playoffs COMBINED -Corzine who shot 60% from the field and 90% from the FT line in the '85 & '86 playoffs COMBINED while also averaging 10PPG -Macy who was borderline a 50/40/80 club Point Guard thru 75+ games in the '86 season ... Yet Jordan didn't captain those teams to 50 wins and past the first round. You swap LeBron (or even Magic, Larry, and a prime Pippen) individually in for Jordan and the Bulls would've been even more successful. People need to stop treating Jordan like a Special Olympian like we're been doing with Curry these past few years.
I gotta hand it to LeBron's d-riders. They are dedicated as they are delusional. It doesn't matter that Jordan has more accolades, more rings, and less help.
Fr They think Pippen is as a tool to kick down accomplishments like LeBron chased more rings with more teams and Had Dwayne Wade who is a better 2nd option
How does everyone forget about how physical the game was back in the 90s. Look at how players over exaggerates fauls and leave teams to form super teams with others just to a ring rather than to show how great they are, like how MJ did with the Bulls.
The problem is all of us that know better are not the ones were arguing with we're arguing with the ones that have never seen the 60s to 70 the 80s or the 90s some of them not even early 2000s! They don't actually know!
I personally don’t care who you think is the goat, but the problem with draymond & most people who think Lebron is the goat they don’t use real logic to defend the man, they be doing Bron a disservice with how his fans be tryna make his goat case with a bunch of hypotheticals & logic they wouldn’t use for any other player besides Bron
Exactly. They want you to ignore all the negatives and act like we didn’t witness any of it. Quitting in 2010 playoffs , 2011 finals, 2014 beat down followed by 2015 final loss. It’s too much to ignore.
The reason why is because there is no logic you could use to make him better than the guy who literally beats him in every single Advanced stat on a per game basis.
@@whenisdinner2137 yep and also just the fact that he would ice cold win any game necessary with the final shot and make any clutch free throws unlike LBJ
Bruh looks like the only time you play anything!? Was playing with yourself!! In sports you beat whomever it's in front of you!! You can't play future teams! In no sports..
@@edwardhicks9481 well the Bulls 72-10 + won the chip. Warriors 73-9 lost in the finals. Since the Bulls completed the journey while G.S. came up short that makes them the better team.
Lebron fans like to say mj quit bc he retired after his father died and accomplishing all his goals. Left while on top opposed to lebron leaving teams after they couldn't get over the hump. Left Cleveland once he thought he couldn't get over the celtics, left Miami after dwade started to age, left Cleveland after kyrie bounced. Leaving on top is quitting but not leaving when the going gets tough.
WOW! That's was a great point. The media, analyst, players past and present, never bring up Jordan leaving due to his fathers passing. Shannon Sharpe always speaks bad about when Jordan left but he never has the courage to speak the truth.
His father didn’t just pass he was Murdered Jordan was so devastated and needed some time away from the game On a human level we can all relate to that type of hurt and reflecting on whats really important in life even with all the money and fame Which only added to his legacy Because when he returned what did He do??? 3-peat again
Kobe was most definitely better than lebron in the 2000s the 2010s is really when it changed but mj resume is literally untouchable imagine getting 10 scoring titles with 9 all defensive 1st teams you would have to literally be broken or cracked in the game to even come near that let alone accomplishing it
Yeah, from about 2005 to 2010, it was Kobe, with Tim Duncan right on his heels. DWade even Top 3 or at the very worst, top 5 from 2006 to maybe 2009. Idk how Draymond lacks knowledge of the history of the League at that time.
The fact that MJ won 3 finals mvps, retired in his prime, came back and won 3 more finals mvps with a completelty different bulls team makes his goat status ever goat-er!
he wasn’t necessarily in his prime when he retired but he was still able to maximize on his mental ability and that’s what made him so great. He was already slowing down at that time.
@@nasmaxfit did they win 55 games without mj? They only lost 2 fewer games then his last year. Hof don’t matter. Did they fall off without him no they were still good
This what alot of people don't get .m.j was on the worst team.the lowest paid start in the NBA .an the game was definitely more physical back then .3pts wasn't a big part of the game like today but to go out every night an play an scored over 30 a game cmon James will never ever be a goat unless it's the hair club for men
Isn’t Lebron the real 🐐 remember Lebron had much more haters than Jordan and is because he is the 🐐 so if hating is your argument finally you admit Lebron is the real 🐐 only real NBA fans appreciate greatness like Lebron James 🐐
@@paulrodriguez2337 Lebron is king of what? no NCAA rings? Check. Zero loyalty to fans and lives in make believe...belongs in Hollywood with his fake talent...NBA desperate with those ratings right now, who the king ya ya ya...
Literally this. And people even try die on that hill it's crazy. Anyone that isn't blinded by cock sucking can analyse the game enough to realise that.
Imagine a world where draymond and MJ are in the same era. I would give 10years of my life to be able to watch that. MJ will definitely make draymond cry like a baby. 😂😂
LOOOOONG BEFORE the internet at that. I was there. EVERYONE knew MJ at the 92 Olympics. That was 3-4 years before the internet really became a thing. I'd say 1999 was the peak when it blew up.
The thing about MJ's legacy is that it went global before the social media age, over 20 years later these kids even with global technology still haven't caught up with him. '98 finals is still the #1 rated NBA history
Not surprised by this since Green has been a Lebron groupie for a while now. It also makes Green look better since he can say "I beat the greatest player ever." I do with someone would ask him about how MJ eclipses Lebron in most important statistical categories and how he accomplished more with less help.
@BiDewF the System ["Almost any team-based playstyle can beat LeBron's teams (Spurs, Mavs, Warriors, etc.)"] Yet you only listed 3. ["Green should really check himself. Any DLeague player can do what he does (talk smack, make good passes, score 10 points) especially when you have like a 90 plus rated shooting team."] You're comparing a flipping G-League player to Draymond? What D-League player will become a Hall of Famer like him? What D-League player has been All-Decade Defensive 1st team player like him?
For me, Lebron doesn't even comes close to Kobe Bryant, who I considered to be the closest to MJ in terms of greatness. Lebron definitely ranks amongst the top 10 greatest NBA players. But to be the GOAT? No way, man!
He does it because he is in Lebron's payroll and with no team interested on him and GSW ain't willing to fork out his max contract he needs to say this to enter the Lebron media groupie or his podcast is going to be out along with any media connection he currently have access to.
It's crazy how people forgot about Kobe and it's actually heartbreaking.. Remember the commercials with the puppets and how basically Kobe putting was shitting on James rtelling him to get to his level etc?? Man... Best play since 2005 the man is insane.
MJ played the full seasons and he did more with less. he did all this with no technology. hes saying we have all this technology. yeah MJ did all this without the technology and did more in less games than lebron.draymond is just dumb
I know I’m bias because I’m grew up in the 90’s. But did the talent really get that much better or did the rules change to favor the talented athletes. They changed the rules and for the average NBA player that’s fine but for great players they will take advantage of those changes AKA James. He doesn’t take the physical abuse that MJ took on which is why he can play damn near 20 seasons. Imagine if you can’t hand check MJ, foul him hard when he drove to the hole. This argument that he can’t shoot 3’s is so lame because look at Giannis dominating and he doesn’t shoot 3’s. Imagine a mid range assassin in this era who’s also athletically one of the best and the desire to win like no other. It be game over
Demar DeRozan is a perfect example. Mostly midrange jumpers, hardly any 3's and did,or close to leading the league in scoring last year. And he's not even in MJ's league
@@whenisdinner2137 Totally agree with this. KD said it best when asked about Jordan's ball handling skills, he said Jordan was straight to the point and efficient with it, no wasted moves.
@@zxcvb3772 makes you think. Maybe if people weren't wasting their time over dribbling looking to be flashy they wouldn't have to do "load management".
That is what I hate about LeGoat stans, they call 2016 Warriors the greatest ever because they beat them then call KDs Warriors the greatest team ever as well .. make it make sense 🤷♂️
I'll make it make sense. One team used to be the greatest team ever. Then another team was assembled and became the new greatest team ever. Makes sense now?
Great video, one thing about MJ's break in the mid 90's, people act like he sat at the beach, smoked cigars and drank scotch at the beach. He actually trained his arse of to play baseball ⚾️. "Jordan Rides the Bus" Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If LeBron is the best, how come he has never 3 peated? People act like LeBron faced tougher competition in the finals, but they also fail to mention that he has had the most help of any superstar. Do some research and have a look at how many allstars and top 75 players he has played with.
-- MJ is my GOAT. Lebron is #2 b/c 6 rings > 4 rings (& shoutout to Bill Russel with 11 rings). Anyway... If someone wants to argue Lebron as #1 and MJ #2, I ain't sweating it. These 2 are standing on the shoulders of ~5000 NBA players.
LMAO.. All of Lebron's groupies only started thinking he the GOAT after Lebron's camp hooked them up with those sweet under the table money. You could also find Shannon Sharpe saying Kobe was in his top 3 along with Jordan and Jesus back in the days.. now he's saying Kobe ain't even top 10 or barely top 10. Fake people on the media.
When Jordan has a higher percentage scoring while being guarded, why should he pass to someone with a lower percentage wide open? On the other hand, if a higher percentage shot like, Steve K. or John P. wide open, while Jordan was being double teamed, he'd pass.
He couldn't even chase down Kobe on that block. LeBron isn't going to be doing shit in an era where he'd get elbowed in the face on the way up and down 😂 get a tech for flopping
No I get what draymond means. He means lbj was a top tier guy since about 2005 and he still a top tier player still to this day and to keep that type of work against much more talented people is tough.
Draymond has surprisingly high Bronsexual levels.. very dissappointing because I feel he is greatly underrated as a player. Anyway we need to nip this in the butt about Lebron being better because of "stats" ... Both Harden and Westbrook at the end of their careers will have overall better accumulated stats than MJ and Kobe.. they will not be better than either by the time their career is done... Speaking of MJ and Kobe as playmakers: MJ averaged 32.5 8 and 8 and 2.9 steals in 88-89 and 32 11.4 and 6.6 in the 91 finals.. In 13 Kobe averaged 27 8 and 8 until he hurt his ankle to will the lakers to a playoff birth after a horrible first half of the season.. - Both MJ and Kobe and do what Lebron can do stylistically, and in some cases do it better.. While as Lebron could never nor has ever done what Kobe and MJ did and did it better than them stylistically.
And lebron said twice Mamba was best player in the league when both were in the league These lebron riders have more respect for lebron's game than lebron. LMAO
Jordan is unlike any other basketball player. Kobe byrant was like jordan because he studied him and they also had a friendship and respect for each other.
Why is Dwyane Wade never brought up? DWade in his prime was a monster and I think he was right up there with Kobe from 2006 to 2009. Put some respect on his name!
THANK YOU , MAN . I WILL GO FURTHER THAN THAT . TO ME D - WADE FROM 2005 TO 2011 WAS THE BEST. PLAYER. IN THE LEAGUE . D - WADE DESERVED TO BE ON MORE DEFENSIVE. 1ST TEAMS OVER KOBE . BECAUSE. , D - WADE. PLAYED. MORE CONSISTENT DEFENSE. THAN KOBE WAS. GOING TO GET THE POPULAR VOTE . D - WADE ALSO. WAS. AN. EFFICIENT PLAYER . HE. JUST DIDN ' T SHOOT THE. BALL AS MUCH AS KOBE . DURING. THAT . TIME. D -. WADE WAS MORE CLUTCH THAN LeBRON AND MORE EFFICIENT ON OFFENSE THAN. KOBE . ALSO ,. D - WADE. IS. A. BETTER. ALL. AROUND. PLAYER . D - WADE DOES. PASS. THE. BALL. AND. ULTILIZES. HIS. TEAMMATES . D - WADE IS A BETTER DEFENSIVE PLAYER . A MORE CONSISTENT DEFENDER .>🎤 🏀🗑️
This is a good video with good info and makes some really good points. That said, it’s totally unnecessary because anybody who’s not a lbj nut rider already knew all this lol. Lbj is only in the conversation because the nba and media needed somebody to keep the hype up. As of late it has blown up in their faces, with lbj and all his off court stuff he’s turned many fans off and the ratings have gone down and his popularity is nowhere near what many other players have had during their runs.
Goat debate is getting irritating now, if you say lebron is the greatest, people are gonna say he has 4 championships and he played in the ec which is weak.... If you say Kobe is the greatest, people are gonna say he is selfish..... If you say Bill Russell is the greatest,he played at a time where it had less teams and weak competition so that's why he won 11 rings, but nobody has a problem with MJ winning 6 rings and I'm an die hard MJ fan but yall need to stop this.... Give Bron his respect too.... Stop disrespecting the guy, he played for 20 seasons and never really slowed down🤦🏽♂️
Youre wrong on the longevity point. Let me explain: Lebron has only played ONE full 82 game season his entire career! Im sorry, but that is the exact opposite of longevity, if you rest nearly half the games each season, then of course you'll be able to play longer, but that is not the same as longevity. John Stockton is easily the goat of longevity. The man played 19 seasons, and played all 82 games a record 16 TIMES! MJ played 9 full seasons out of 13. So, how is LeBron the most durable player when he misses 20% of his games?
Draymonds argument for LeBron is typical yet still not good enough, Draymond just wants to be able to say he won some rings against the best player ever but there's not enough idiots on earth that believe that LeBron is the greatest
That line where he said that Lebron carried DWade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and AD to titles only proves he is full of it. Lebron RODE with those guys to win titles.
The way draymomd talk - like like like like like like like like like like When he opens his mouth its kinda like hearing someone who had a hard time graduating high school.
Jordan when asked to pass, gets 9-10 assists. less 'flashy' passes, but 1) he didnt turnover the ball like lebron 2) he didnt have the scorers and shooters ard him that lebron has and 3) lebron's role is abt passing because he often misses in pressure situations. lebron also makes many simple passes like a guy beside him on perimeter for a 3. jordan's iq is underrated too, just like lebron, jordan can remember exact movement from years ago. the way he dices up his postup turnard jumpers, he knows what individual defenders are up to. he just dosent talk abt his genius as much as lebron in this social media age, and he did it without video technology of today.
Something I like about this guy is he never disrespect someone who has lebron as there goat but when they give dumb and in accurate reasons that’s when he chimes in and give the facts which is why I prefer this guy over Jxmy cause this guy uses straight facts right in front of us
Just use the eye test and look at the skill level and ability to put together all basketball skills. Jordan not only was the most dominant driver but dribbles was crazy.
MJ records are superior to LeBrons records. Example: MJ #1 regular season scoring avg ALL TIME 30.12 PPG is better than most longevity (passing Kareem) - MJ also #1 ALL TIME playoff PPG.. and #1 ALL TIME NBA Finals PPG - most of LeBrons records are weird mismatch nonsense like youngest all star (lame) or youngest to 10,000 points (lame).. basically quirky things that are boosted by coming outta high school.
@@akad30 fax 🤣 I could write a whole novel about his lame records.. Only person to avg 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 18 points while being drafted within 150 miles of his hometown. Lmao!
About that best era argument: most rank the 90's as the best. But here are my reasons: 1-Greatest concentration of hall of famers. 2-Highest ranked NBA finals ever in 98. 3-Era with the greatest number of record holders. 4-Greatest concentration of best defensive players at all posts. 5-Era with Peak TV audience for the NBA, which would indicate the game was more engaging/entertaining. I'd say the 2010's to now has the greatest concentration of sharp shooters at all posts, which is impressive but the evidence doesn't prove it's the best era.
green is not just delusional. he is trying so hard to make his era seem to look better so his rings will be enough for people to consider him as a hall of Famer😆✌ when he said greatest team ever he is implying that the 2016 warriors are the greatest team ever and he's a part of it 🤭 just my 2 cents.
Jordan was a far better passer than Lebron. That is one of the biggest false narratives placed on repeat over the past 10 years.Assists were counted differently back then. Don't believe me, look at the videos of Jordan passing.
Jordan was a much better passer. Most of LBJ's assists come from him standing outside the 3pt line watching his teammates do all the work to get open. He then makes the easy pass for the easy assist.
If MJ was truly better than Lebron, why do MJ stans have to lie to make MJ’s case? No assists were not counted differently and no Jordan’s not a better passer
* Needing 3 years to make 06' Playoffs with an all-star center and a 22/5/5 all-defender isn't an all-time level of carrying * Winning 45-50 games from 06-08' with an all-star center and a 22/5/5 acquisition isn't an all-time level of carrying * Having a one-off Finals run like Iverson, Kidd, or Dwight in a worst-ever conference isn't an all-time level of carrying * Needing elite spacing help in 2009 to be MVP or have a contender or league favorite isn't an all-time level of carrying * Failing to win East w/ homecourt in 09/10 and then forming super-teams to make Finals isn't an all-time level of carrying * Winning 2018 East with the best 2nd option in East against rookies led by Al Horford isn't an all-time level of carrying
Lebron has never been the best tplayer from yr to yr. If he was really that great there wouldn't be conversations of him or Melo, then him and kobe, then kd, then steph, then kawhi, then giannis and Luka.
What Draymond doesn’t seem to understand is if the talent today is better, why would we accept less greatness from a 6’9 freak of nature who cost a super team a title and used free agency to pair up with stars to lose more than win NBA championships? Dumb.
That's like 80% of his baskets. Travel and dunk on an unprotected protected rim. If you look up LeBron's shooting % outside of 3 feet, not outside the 3pt line, outside of 3 feet from the basket, you'll realize almost everyone regularly playing ball at the nearby gym or park shoots better than him. The difference is they aren't 6'8" and overhyped by sports media.
MJ was widely considered the goat even BEFORE he won his first championship!! Anything after that was just icing on the cake. Man, that was a lot of icing, too!!
He wasn’t widely considered the goat until his 2nd 3-peat occurred, only people said that he was the most skilled player ever. The greatest and the best player ever are two different things.
@@Fernando-vg4ym I do agree that MJ is the goat (which includes accomplishments) and the best player (only raw basketball talent) ever, I just think that MJ became the GOAT when he won his 4th or 5th title, not in 1990
Lebron has never built a team from the ground up all he’s done he traded off draft picks to get better pieces then when teams fail and have no draft capital he runs
Most NBA players have MJ, Bron, Kobe top 3. I agree Jordan is the 🐐 but I understand why people have Bron as the goat. NOBODY HAS EVER CARRIED ANY TEAM TO THE TITLE!
I love these ppl who say "MJ never beat the greatest team ever"...Jordan didn't have to beat the juggernaut because his team WAS the juggernaut and he was the BIGGEST reason why they were the juggernaut. Even when Jordan got old he still held on to deny younger players for a few more years. Now I do believe Ultimately had the Bulls not broken up after 98 and stayed together I do think they would have been beaten by the Lakers or the Spurs as those teams were younger and hungrier. The Bulls were so worn out after the 6th title I don't think they could have stopped one of those 2 younger teams in the finals. But the fact that Jordan was still winning titles at 34/35 years of age, especially back then before all the advances of today that extend careers that a guy like Lebron benefits from, was very impressive. 34 and 35 we're ancient back then and you didn't see too many players still dominating at that point.
Jordan is the GOAT period..he accomplished more in a shorter career than LeBron..more MVPs in the regular season and playoffs, more Championships 6, more Scoring Titles 10, more 50+ point games 31 in the regular season and 8 more in the playoffs..higher winning percentage in the regular season and playoffs, highest PER ever, highest Win Shares Ever...as for Draymond Green isn't he the same guy to beg KD on the phone crying like a B.. to come to the Warriors?( And then run him off a few seasons later) Dennis Rodman would eat that fool alive..that is all
I don’t believe Lebron is the 2nd best player of all time. He may be the most abled player of all time. But you can’t mold your game off of Lebron as a young kid learning basketball. However, there is not 1 player in the league or just playing the game, who doesn’t have MJ DNA in their game. You can argue that Iverson is the only player to have generational impact on hoopers similar to Jordan. Now you see that same impact in Curry. But unless you’re the BIGGEST and strongest on the court, you ain’t playing like Lebron.
There's a BIG difference between having a longer career and having a better one because LeBron's has been longer but it definitely hasn't been better than Jordan's 💯🗣🎯. LeBron is an all time great but y'all need to stop letting the media misdirect y'all because anyone who knows anything about the game of basketball knows that Michael Jordan is the GOAT 🐐
Green brings up the fact that lebron went to 9 straight NBA Finals... but fails to bring up the fact that lebron handpicked his HOF Superstar teammates AND he played in the east when it was rightfully called the "LEASTern Conference"! So of course he was going to go the Finals every year. But even with his own chosen Super teams, when he finally got real competition from the team from West... he LOST more times than he won!! lol!! Compare that to Jordan when he was in the East! Back then the East was the Dominate Conference! Jordan with no help had to go up against teams like the 1986 Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons in the 80's!! When did Lebron EVER have to go up against teams like that in the Leastern conference, AND with no help!?? Then in the 90's, the East was still the Powerhouse, so a couple of times the Bulls biggest competition was from those East Teams in the Playoffs. In the Finals, Jordan never had to go 7 games.... in the East he did. Let's see how many of you remember the Team? Teams like that don't get the credit they deserve. Bottom line is, Jordan didn't have a Cakewalk to the Finals like lebron did.
Warriors ain't the greatest team ever. MJ and the Bulls were the best ever. If the Warriors played back in the physical Era, you boys will be crying in pain. And the Warriors record will be much worse. Draymond Green will just be a bench player.
Jordan came up in a time where defense was tougher and better. Today's NBA they protect the offensive players a lot more because they want high scores a game. And the NBA today allows players to break the rules so much, like traveling and carrying.
Lebron James is mount rushmore. I would also personally make him the GOAT in longevity. But the fact remains that he had to create 3 superteams to win 3 championships plus a mickey mouse championship. And above all, he lost to the Dallas team while playing for a Miami superteam. It took roughly the same amount of years for both MJ and Lebron to win their 1st NBA championship. Difference was that when that happened, nobody ate during MJ's reign, whereas others ate plenty of championships during Lebron's reign. Until proven otherwise, you had a handful of hall of famers on Detroit - IN THEIR PRIMES - that had to create "Jordan Rules" to stop that one man. MJ will forever be at the top of the pyramid.
Geez imagine MJ in this inflated stats, no hand checking, superteaming era ..
Go to basketball reference and look at his stats per 100 possessions. They're insane.
When MJ got moved to point guard with Dave collins as coach he put up prime Westbrook numbers with better efficiency
@@i_chosen_one_ips432 thats Doug Collins
Great point they never talk about the no layup rule that was made for Jordan
@@joeblackman9363 They also never talk about Lebron and Biogenesys ped's. What player you know starts the season looking sickly, then tells his team he needs to fly out to miami, comes back bulked up and looks like a superhero, within weeks.
When Jordan faced Magic Johnson in the Finals, he wanted to beat Magic at his own game to prove his dominance over Magic. So what did he do? Jordan averaged 11.4 assists per game in the 1991 Finals. Yes, you read that right and you can look it up. 11.4 apg….it remains the highest assists per game in the Finals after only one man: Magic. And Jordan is only 1 of 4 people that has averaged over 10 apg in a finals series. And LeBron isn’t one of them.
HA! GOT 'EEM
The Bron fanatics will say Jordan was padding his stats.
Same with his 3 ball.. Media/peers saying he was a bad 3point shooter so as you say, what'd MJ do? Set a playoff record for 3pointers made in a single half at the time.. Media said Jordan couldn't win😐 Now his name is synonymous with winning etc etc.. His entire career was just knocking down That's why although some numbers may suggest others were better at certain facets of basketball MJ one up'd and was winning too..
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@@juliuscaesar6994 he gonna be the goat till humanity doesn't exist anymore
How in the f*** can you look at LeBron's resume and say it's Flawless and then look at Michael Jordan's and not think the same thing........HOW TF DO YOU 3 PEAT TWICE???
LeBron twice in the late 2000s in two different seasons said that Kobe was the best player in our league in the second time he even said I've been quoted before and saying that Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league
Jordan: 🐐
Lebron: baby goat
As far as draymon: donkey
Milkman, you are right. How can your resume be flawless when you were outscored by a journeyman in Jason Terry in the NBA FINALS.
@@adamrondon8562while getting locked down by a 5’8 JJ Barea 😂
@@themilkman4448 Draymond channeling his Lebron fan energy by lying about Lebron being the best player since 2005 lmao. He also said Lebron had no help which was a damn lie.
How can his resume be flawless when he's lost 6 out of 10 Finals? 🤔
Bcse as I keep telln them they are always Quick to speak abt MJ wen he lost to the Celtics & the Pistons who beat MJ before or in the ECF but they always wnt to FORGET or LEAVE LBJ's LOSSES BEHIND, a mean 10 NBA FINALS 6 LOSSES 2 SWEEPS with all the help he had lololol wht a joke or waste I call him The G.L.O.A.T ........
GREATEST LOSER OF ALL TIME
THANK YOU!!
It's cuz we are in the participation era where beta men are alpha lol, how sad things have become
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The greatest loser of all-time would be a player that never made the playoffs. If you're going to troll, make sure you do a great job at it. There was never a single Finals where Jordan had less Hall of Fame talent (in terms of players, coaches, and executives) than the opposition did. It's 2023 and we're still talking about finals records? At this point in LeBron's career, LeBron has a better case for being the GOAT than Jordan when removing playoff success from the debate. LeBron already lapped the field in stats and lapped the field in accolades. The official site of the league has the player profiles of both players and it shows that LeBron has more physical and non-physical honors than Jordan. Physical means that you can actually hold it and place it into a trophy case.
Swap Jordan in for LeBron on those Cavs teams and I guarantee you that they don't make the finals anywhere close to 10 times. Swap Larry Bird in for LeBron and the Cavs would make the finals more times than if it was Jordan who was swapped in for LeBron. Magic Johnson would've also taken those Cavs teams further than Jordan would've. Simply said because Jordan wasn't a team-first player. He was a me-first/shoot-first player while Magic, Bird, and LeBron were multi-dimensional players who looked to make their teammates better.
There was a time when Jordan in the pre-pippen era had:
-Oakley who was the league leader in total rebounds in the '87 season (not to be confused with rpg) while giving the team 14PPG
-Woodridge who averaged 20+PPG in 2 consecutive seasons on 52% scoring COMBINED in '85 and '86
-Paxson who shot 43% from 3 point range in both the '86 and '87 playoffs COMBINED
-Corzine who shot 60% from the field and 90% from the FT line in the '85 & '86 playoffs COMBINED while also averaging 10PPG
-Macy who was borderline a 50/40/80 club Point Guard thru 75+ games in the '86 season
... Yet Jordan didn't captain those teams to 50 wins and past the first round. You swap LeBron (or even Magic, Larry, and a prime Pippen) individually in for Jordan and the Bulls would've been even more successful. People need to stop treating Jordan like a Special Olympian like we're been doing with Curry these past few years.
It’s a team game moron look at the teams he had played
I gotta hand it to LeBron's d-riders. They are dedicated as they are delusional.
It doesn't matter that Jordan has more accolades, more rings, and less help.
Fr They think Pippen is as a tool to kick down accomplishments like LeBron chased more rings with more teams and Had Dwayne Wade who is a better 2nd option
@@chrisking2900 Forgot to add that. Thanks
It also doesn't mean anything that he leads in every analytics stat on a per game basis
@@whenisdinner2137 no but his accomplishments, stats and acolodes tell a story
Aweezy bang is one of those ledicklicks
How does everyone forget about how physical the game was back in the 90s. Look at how players over exaggerates fauls and leave teams to form super teams with others just to a ring rather than to show how great they are, like how MJ did with the Bulls.
The problem is all of us that know better are not the ones were arguing with we're arguing with the ones that have never seen the 60s to 70 the 80s or the 90s some of them not even early 2000s! They don't actually know!
I personally don’t care who you think is the goat, but the problem with draymond & most people who think Lebron is the goat they don’t use real logic to defend the man, they be doing Bron a disservice with how his fans be tryna make his goat case with a bunch of hypotheticals & logic they wouldn’t use for any other player besides Bron
And then they'd call us LeBron haters because we the ones saying "it's no need for all of that"😂
Exactly. They want you to ignore all the negatives and act like we didn’t witness any of it. Quitting in 2010 playoffs , 2011 finals, 2014 beat down followed by 2015 final loss. It’s too much to ignore.
The reason why is because there is no logic you could use to make him better than the guy who literally beats him in every single Advanced stat on a per game basis.
@@whenisdinner2137 yep and also just the fact that he would ice cold win any game necessary with the final shot and make any clutch free throws unlike LBJ
I think it goes both ways.. the only true answer is you gotta say there multiple different goats that fill out every part of the game
Michael Jordan was literally second in scoring in his rookie season 💀
"MJ didn't beat the greatest team ever assembled"
Hard for MJ's Bulls play themselves.
😂😂😂😂😂😂, what makes them the greatest team assembled?
Practice scrimmage was tough from the goat… made nba games look like a scrimmage instead
@@edwardhicks9481 how when the 2nd best players avg 16ppg and his hof pf avg 5ppg 😂😂😂😂
Bruh looks like the only time you play anything!? Was playing with yourself!! In sports you beat whomever it's in front of you!! You can't play future teams! In no sports..
@@edwardhicks9481 well the Bulls 72-10 + won the chip. Warriors 73-9 lost in the finals. Since the Bulls completed the journey while G.S. came up short that makes them the better team.
Lebron fans like to say mj quit bc he retired after his father died and accomplishing all his goals. Left while on top opposed to lebron leaving teams after they couldn't get over the hump. Left Cleveland once he thought he couldn't get over the celtics, left Miami after dwade started to age, left Cleveland after kyrie bounced. Leaving on top is quitting but not leaving when the going gets tough.
WOW! That's was a great point. The media, analyst, players past and present, never bring up Jordan leaving due to his fathers passing. Shannon Sharpe always speaks bad about when Jordan left but he never has the courage to speak the truth.
never heard a bron fan say all that lol
@@CMXR🤦🏾♂️ He never said LeBron said it. He said YOU STANS do it and you're kinda proving his point by mirepresenting what he said. Major L...
His father didn’t just pass
he was Murdered
Jordan was so devastated and needed some time away from the game
On a human level we can all relate to that type of hurt and reflecting on whats really important in life even with all the money and fame
Which only added to his legacy
Because when he returned what did He do???
3-peat again
@RONNIE S not even true, he said he was planning to retire anyways because he was burnt out in the last dance
Kobe was most definitely better than lebron in the 2000s the 2010s is really when it changed but mj resume is literally untouchable imagine getting 10 scoring titles with 9 all defensive 1st teams you would have to literally be broken or cracked in the game to even come near that let alone accomplishing it
I just saw on ig someone pulling up an old tweet from 2010 saying why Kobe was the best player in the league
Wade was better than Lebron in the early 2000's.
Bron became the best player in the league maybe around 2010, until Steph took over in 2015
@@jivet3919 then giannis took over in 2019
Yeah, from about 2005 to 2010, it was Kobe, with Tim Duncan right on his heels. DWade even Top 3 or at the very worst, top 5 from 2006 to maybe 2009. Idk how Draymond lacks knowledge of the history of the League at that time.
The fact that MJ won 3 finals mvps, retired in his prime, came back and won 3 more finals mvps with a completelty different bulls team makes his goat status ever goat-er!
he wasn’t necessarily in his prime when he retired but he was still able to maximize on his mental ability and that’s what made him so great. He was already slowing down at that time.
@@mcfcDJ51 he was slowing down and not in his prime in 1993? What are you smoking?
Bro he had a damn superteam. Hell they won 55 games without him
@@HOODTMZPODCAST what hofers were on the 94 team that won 55 games?
@@nasmaxfit did they win 55 games without mj? They only lost 2 fewer games then his last year. Hof don’t matter. Did they fall off without him no they were still good
MJ is still more world 🌍 wide known than almost anyone on the planet
That almost is doing work
He not even the most well known MJ 😂
Idk. Kobe is known
@@kkash824 yeah but Kobe was a hard copy of MJ
@@kkash824 bro nobody was ever standing in lines for Kobe’s 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Notice how when he talks half the time he's looking at the table, as if he is ashamed of the bs that is coming from his own mouth
Look at the people he is talking to. Their expressions say it all.
You can tell he’s not a student of the game. He’s just a shock jock trying to make a name for himself by saying controversial stuff about MJ.
I was an MJ hater and it was only because he was the best
As a former MJ hater this statement is facts!
Everyone who's team was not the bulls hated MJ. But as a basketball player, no one is better.
This what alot of people don't get .m.j was on the worst team.the lowest paid start in the NBA .an the game was definitely more physical back then .3pts wasn't a big part of the game like today but to go out every night an play an scored over 30 a game cmon James will never ever be a goat unless it's the hair club for men
Isn’t Lebron the real 🐐 remember Lebron had much more haters than Jordan and is because he is the 🐐 so if hating is your argument finally you admit Lebron is the real 🐐 only real NBA fans appreciate greatness like Lebron James 🐐
@@paulrodriguez2337 Lebron is king of what? no NCAA rings? Check. Zero loyalty to fans and lives in make believe...belongs in Hollywood with his fake talent...NBA desperate with those ratings right now, who the king ya ya ya...
The delusion that skill always increases over time annoys the fuck out of me. The game simply evolved to let offense be easier.
Literally this. And people even try die on that hill it's crazy. Anyone that isn't blinded by cock sucking can analyse the game enough to realise that.
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Imagine a world where draymond and MJ are in the same era. I would give 10years of my life to be able to watch that. MJ will definitely make draymond cry like a baby. 😂😂
He would run Draymond out the league in 5 years
He wouldve gave him that mugsy Bouges treatment
@@TizzleF FRFR 🤣
Lol, yeah put Draymond in MJ´s era and let him prove it, ooh and let him take LBJ with him.
rodman would give him some beating up too mabye even pippen would too
After this I would never take Draymond Green serious again
Michael Jordan was a world 🌍 wide phenom.
LOOOOONG BEFORE the internet at that.
I was there.
EVERYONE knew MJ at the 92 Olympics.
That was 3-4 years before the internet really became a thing.
I'd say 1999 was the peak when it blew up.
The thing about MJ's legacy is that it went global before the social media age, over 20 years later these kids even with global technology still haven't caught up with him. '98 finals is still the #1 rated NBA history
Not surprised by this since Green has been a Lebron groupie for a while now. It also makes Green look better since he can say "I beat the greatest player ever." I do with someone would ask him about how MJ eclipses Lebron in most important statistical categories and how he accomplished more with less help.
I think Draymond wants to go to the Lakers!
@BiDewF the System
["Almost any team-based playstyle can beat LeBron's teams (Spurs, Mavs, Warriors, etc.)"]
Yet you only listed 3.
["Green should really check himself. Any DLeague player can do what he does (talk smack, make good passes, score 10 points) especially when you have like a 90 plus rated shooting team."]
You're comparing a flipping G-League player to Draymond? What D-League player will become a Hall of Famer like him? What D-League player has been All-Decade Defensive 1st team player like him?
Draymond basically saying warriors gotten worse after getting kd 🤔 cavs should of easily won in 2017 if that's the case
And 2018
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 No, 2017 yes, 2018, Lebron and Cavs had no chance in hell
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@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 not 2018
For me, Lebron doesn't even comes close to Kobe Bryant, who I considered to be the closest to MJ in terms of greatness. Lebron definitely ranks amongst the top 10 greatest NBA players. But to be the GOAT? No way, man!
He does it because it puts a light on his era and NOT because Green believes his own shit
He does it because he is in Lebron's payroll and with no team interested on him and GSW ain't willing to fork out his max contract he needs to say this to enter the Lebron media groupie or his podcast is going to be out along with any media connection he currently have access to.
It's crazy how people forgot about Kobe and it's actually heartbreaking..
Remember the commercials with the puppets and how basically Kobe putting was shitting on James rtelling him to get to his level etc?? Man... Best play since 2005 the man is insane.
The dudes just not too 5, he’s still great though
kobe
@@quackmemes5410 who?? Lebron or kobe?
@@king-ghost1027 kobe
@@quackmemes5410 kobe is top 3,, idk what drugs are in your system
Draymond got bird brain 🧠
Facts
Donkeys brain
Draymond be talking out his ass! 😅😂😂😂😂
MJ played the full seasons and he did more with less. he did all this with no technology. hes saying we have all this technology. yeah MJ did all this without the technology and did more in less games than lebron.draymond is just dumb
I know I’m bias because I’m grew up in the 90’s. But did the talent really get that much better or did the rules change to favor the talented athletes. They changed the rules and for the average NBA player that’s fine but for great players they will take advantage of those changes AKA James. He doesn’t take the physical abuse that MJ took on which is why he can play damn near 20 seasons. Imagine if you can’t hand check MJ, foul him hard when he drove to the hole. This argument that he can’t shoot 3’s is so lame because look at Giannis dominating and he doesn’t shoot 3’s. Imagine a mid range assassin in this era who’s also athletically one of the best and the desire to win like no other. It be game over
Demar DeRozan is a perfect example. Mostly midrange jumpers, hardly any 3's and did,or close to leading the league in scoring last year. And he's not even in MJ's league
People call over-dribbling "Talent"
@@Dennis-bu9gr bro wasn't even in Clyde drexler's League in terms of skill
@@whenisdinner2137 Totally agree with this. KD said it best when asked about Jordan's ball handling skills, he said Jordan was straight to the point and efficient with it, no wasted moves.
@@zxcvb3772 makes you think. Maybe if people weren't wasting their time over dribbling looking to be flashy they wouldn't have to do "load management".
So Michael Jordan lost two of his prime years and still has more championships an awards
This shit ain’t even close unless u are watching with your eyes closed! MJ is 🐐!!
That is what I hate about LeGoat stans, they call 2016 Warriors the greatest ever because they beat them then call KDs Warriors the greatest team ever as well .. make it make sense 🤷♂️
Yea man lolol tell dem make up their Minds .....lolololololol
They not all of that defense not being played so the warriors was that team to take quick advantage of that
I'll make it make sense. One team used to be the greatest team ever. Then another team was assembled and became the new greatest team ever. Makes sense now?
Great video, one thing about MJ's break in the mid 90's, people act like he sat at the beach, smoked cigars and drank scotch at the beach. He actually trained his arse of to play baseball ⚾️. "Jordan Rides the Bus"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If LeBron is the best, how come he has never 3 peated?
People act like LeBron faced tougher competition in the finals, but they also fail to mention that he has had the most help of any superstar. Do some research and have a look at how many allstars and top 75 players he has played with.
-- MJ is my GOAT. Lebron is #2 b/c 6 rings > 4 rings (& shoutout to Bill Russel with 11 rings). Anyway...
If someone wants to argue Lebron as #1 and MJ #2, I ain't sweating it. These 2 are standing on the shoulders of ~5000 NBA players.
Lol I just saw on ig an old tweet of Draymond’s someone dug up from 2010 where he said Kobe was the best player in the league
LMAO.. All of Lebron's groupies only started thinking he the GOAT after Lebron's camp hooked them up with those sweet under the table money. You could also find Shannon Sharpe saying Kobe was in his top 3 along with Jordan and Jesus back in the days.. now he's saying Kobe ain't even top 10 or barely top 10. Fake people on the media.
When Jordan has a higher percentage scoring while being guarded, why should he pass to someone with a lower percentage wide open? On the other hand, if a higher percentage shot like, Steve K. or John P. wide open, while Jordan was being double teamed, he'd pass.
LeBron hasn’t played defense in about five years. He rest during the season. He might’ve played 82 games one time in his career
He couldn't even chase down Kobe on that block. LeBron isn't going to be doing shit in an era where he'd get elbowed in the face on the way up and down 😂 get a tech for flopping
10 years
10 SCORING TITLES, 9 DEFENSIVE TEAMS 2 3PEATS AND A COUPLE OF DUNK CONTEST, WHO IS THAT PLAYER ALSO ALL DONE IN LESS THAN 15 YEARS WITH 1 TEAM.
Jordan was perfect in the finals. Never lost. Nuff said.
Wow it's crazy how people erase Kobe to help lebron. That's wild!
Jordan also played 24 games at PG and averaged 30 points 10 assists 9 rebounds and 2.4 steals. I think he could make plays just fine
Uncut we need you!! Thank you for this....I'm running out of energy to keep addressing these dudes and their lies. Keep up the great content fam!
12:15 LeBron with the LeTravel 🤣
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For Draymond playing basketball doesn't mean he knows basketball, he's just a player. His position on the basketball court we need no IQ.
So kobe was still worse than lebron during the 2000s
No
Hilarious!
No I get what draymond means. He means lbj was a top tier guy since about 2005 and he still a top tier player still to this day and to keep that type of work against much more talented people is tough.
Draymond has surprisingly high Bronsexual levels.. very dissappointing because I feel he is greatly underrated as a player. Anyway we need to nip this in the butt about Lebron being better because of "stats" ...
Both Harden and Westbrook at the end of their careers will have overall better accumulated stats than MJ and Kobe.. they will not be better than either by the time their career is done...
Speaking of MJ and Kobe as playmakers: MJ averaged 32.5 8 and 8 and 2.9 steals in 88-89 and 32 11.4 and 6.6 in the 91 finals.. In 13 Kobe averaged 27 8 and 8 until he hurt his ankle to will the lakers to a playoff birth after a horrible first half of the season..
- Both MJ and Kobe and do what Lebron can do stylistically, and in some cases do it better..
While as Lebron could never nor has ever done what Kobe and MJ did and did it better than them stylistically.
And lebron said twice Mamba was best player in the league when both were in the league
These lebron riders have more respect for lebron's game than lebron. LMAO
Jordan is unlike any other basketball player. Kobe byrant was like jordan because he studied him and they also had a friendship and respect for each other.
Why is Dwyane Wade never brought up? DWade in his prime was a monster and I think he was right up there with Kobe from 2006 to 2009. Put some respect on his name!
THANK YOU , MAN . I WILL GO FURTHER THAN THAT . TO ME D - WADE FROM 2005 TO 2011 WAS THE BEST. PLAYER. IN THE LEAGUE . D - WADE DESERVED TO BE ON MORE DEFENSIVE. 1ST TEAMS OVER KOBE . BECAUSE. , D - WADE. PLAYED. MORE CONSISTENT DEFENSE. THAN KOBE WAS. GOING TO GET THE POPULAR VOTE . D - WADE ALSO. WAS. AN. EFFICIENT PLAYER . HE. JUST DIDN ' T SHOOT THE. BALL AS MUCH AS KOBE . DURING. THAT . TIME. D -. WADE WAS MORE CLUTCH THAN LeBRON AND MORE EFFICIENT ON OFFENSE THAN. KOBE . ALSO ,. D - WADE. IS. A. BETTER. ALL. AROUND. PLAYER . D - WADE DOES. PASS. THE. BALL. AND. ULTILIZES. HIS. TEAMMATES . D - WADE IS A BETTER DEFENSIVE PLAYER . A MORE CONSISTENT DEFENDER .>🎤 🏀🗑️
@@GABEMOORE533 I agree 100%. 👍
Respect his talent on the court. But what about the complete failure as a father. He disrespected his own name
This is a good video with good info and makes some really good points. That said, it’s totally unnecessary because anybody who’s not a lbj nut rider already knew all this lol. Lbj is only in the conversation because the nba and media needed somebody to keep the hype up. As of late it has blown up in their faces, with lbj and all his off court stuff he’s turned many fans off and the ratings have gone down and his popularity is nowhere near what many other players have had during their runs.
The bulls still hold the best record for a entire season including the playoffs going 87-13. Draymond is a dam clown 🤡 like I said!
Talent wise is everyone can shoot now.But only few players today can play back then
The playoff battles Jordan had in the east were way more tuff than any finals Lbj ever faced
Goat debate is getting irritating now, if you say lebron is the greatest, people are gonna say he has 4 championships and he played in the ec which is weak.... If you say Kobe is the greatest, people are gonna say he is selfish..... If you say Bill Russell is the greatest,he played at a time where it had less teams and weak competition so that's why he won 11 rings, but nobody has a problem with MJ winning 6 rings and I'm an die hard MJ fan but yall need to stop this.... Give Bron his respect too.... Stop disrespecting the guy, he played for 20 seasons and never really slowed down🤦🏽♂️
Yeah Draymond is wrong in around 80% of his take on this
so much for "The new media" 😂
All those guys around him saw what happened to poole so they turned to yes men 🤣🤣🤣
Youre wrong on the longevity point. Let me explain: Lebron has only played ONE full 82 game season his entire career! Im sorry, but that is the exact opposite of longevity, if you rest nearly half the games each season, then of course you'll be able to play longer, but that is not the same as longevity. John Stockton is easily the goat of longevity. The man played 19 seasons, and played all 82 games a record 16 TIMES! MJ played 9 full seasons out of 13. So, how is LeBron the most durable player when he misses 20% of his games?
They always conveniently ignore that lmao
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What Draymond really need understand Mike is the 1 player you can't put MIKE & CHOKE in the same sentence.
Draymonds argument for LeBron is typical yet still not good enough, Draymond just wants to be able to say he won some rings against the best player ever but there's not enough idiots on earth that believe that LeBron is the greatest
That line where he said that Lebron carried DWade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and AD to titles only proves he is full of it. Lebron RODE with those guys to win titles.
Goodness. He says this so he can say he lost in the finals to the goat. His ego will literally take him down the dumbest roads
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME U HEARD SOMEONE SAY “I CANT WAIT FOR THOSE BRONS TO COME OUT” BUT YET THEY ARGUE ABOUT BRON WHILE THEY WEARING 1s!
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good one lol
Facts and then they had their kids wearing Jordan's too
If LeBron is so great, how come no one is saying that, I want to be like LeBron.
IF LEBRON SO BETTER JORDAN WHY EVERY YEAR A NEW NBA PLAYER GOT TO COME OUT AND TELL US
LeBron wasn't even better than Larry Bird or Kobe. LeBron should never be in the goat conversation
The way draymomd talk - like like like like like like like like like like
When he opens his mouth its kinda like hearing someone who had a hard time graduating high school.
Draymond is so wrong on many topics that it is hard to give him any credence in a conversation.
The meat riding from Dray has reached hall of fame levels we’ve never seen
Jordan when asked to pass, gets 9-10 assists. less 'flashy' passes, but 1) he didnt turnover the ball like lebron 2) he didnt have the scorers and shooters ard him that lebron has and 3) lebron's role is abt passing because he often misses in pressure situations. lebron also makes many simple passes like a guy beside him on perimeter for a 3. jordan's iq is underrated too, just like lebron, jordan can remember exact movement from years ago. the way he dices up his postup turnard jumpers, he knows what individual defenders are up to. he just dosent talk abt his genius as much as lebron in this social media age, and he did it without video technology of today.
Something I like about this guy is he never disrespect someone who has lebron as there goat but when they give dumb and in accurate reasons that’s when he chimes in and give the facts which is why I prefer this guy over Jxmy cause this guy uses straight facts right in front of us
Rodman would get in Greens a$$. Green would have fouled out or got ejected vs. Rodman.
Just use the eye test and look at the skill level and ability to put together all basketball skills. Jordan not only was the most dominant driver but dribbles was crazy.
Lebron is literally a better player skill wise.
@@amdude1015 lol you sleep.
@@terrencetysor9956 and you know whats even more crazy most of his shots were with in 2 dribbles. It takes Bron 18 seconds to drive with out passing
GOATS dont get outscored by bench players like Jason Terry who played fewer minutes than them...especially when a chip is on the line!!
MJ records are superior to LeBrons records.
Example: MJ #1 regular season scoring avg ALL TIME 30.12 PPG is better than most longevity (passing Kareem)
- MJ also #1 ALL TIME playoff PPG.. and #1 ALL TIME NBA Finals PPG
- most of LeBrons records are weird mismatch nonsense like youngest all star (lame) or youngest to 10,000 points (lame).. basically quirky things that are boosted by coming outta high school.
next lame award will be the most NBA player to make 100,000 steps on the floor 🤣
@@akad30 fax 🤣
I could write a whole novel about his lame records.. Only person to avg 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 18 points while being drafted within 150 miles of his hometown. Lmao!
@@KaineTremaine good one 🤣
About that best era argument: most rank the 90's as the best. But here are my reasons:
1-Greatest concentration of hall of famers.
2-Highest ranked NBA finals ever in 98.
3-Era with the greatest number of record holders.
4-Greatest concentration of best defensive players at all posts.
5-Era with Peak TV audience for the NBA, which would indicate the game was more engaging/entertaining.
I'd say the 2010's to now has the greatest concentration of sharp shooters at all posts, which is impressive but the evidence doesn't prove it's the best era.
Jordan’s father didn’t die, he was murdered
Draymond Green is crazy. he forgot that Michael Jordan also had to be that guy because majority of his teammates was on that white powder
green is not just delusional. he is trying so hard to make his era seem to look better so his rings will be enough for people to consider him as a hall of Famer😆✌
when he said greatest team ever he is implying that the 2016 warriors are the greatest team ever and he's a part of it 🤭 just my 2 cents.
Remember: Lebron got caught purchasing ped's in 2013 in Miami, and that is a fact. Jordan deserves more credit for being an all natural athlete.
Jordan was a far better passer than Lebron. That is one of the biggest false narratives placed on repeat over the past 10 years.Assists were counted differently back then. Don't believe me, look at the videos of Jordan passing.
Jordan was a much better passer.
Most of LBJ's assists come from him standing outside the 3pt line watching his teammates do all the work to get open. He then makes the easy pass for the easy assist.
Don’t talk basketball
@@jonathandepue629 don’t talk basketball
If MJ was truly better than Lebron, why do MJ stans have to lie to make MJ’s case? No assists were not counted differently and no Jordan’s not a better passer
@@jonathandepue629 Dumbest comment of the year
* Needing 3 years to make 06' Playoffs with an all-star center and a 22/5/5 all-defender isn't an all-time level of carrying
* Winning 45-50 games from 06-08' with an all-star center and a 22/5/5 acquisition isn't an all-time level of carrying
* Having a one-off Finals run like Iverson, Kidd, or Dwight in a worst-ever conference isn't an all-time level of carrying
* Needing elite spacing help in 2009 to be MVP or have a contender or league favorite isn't an all-time level of carrying
* Failing to win East w/ homecourt in 09/10 and then forming super-teams to make Finals isn't an all-time level of carrying
* Winning 2018 East with the best 2nd option in East against rookies led by Al Horford isn't an all-time level of carrying
I want to day magic was the best to ever do it but Jordan was the best on both sides of the game by far every game
how can they go up against the greatest team ever assembled? If they are the greatest team ever assemble.
Lebron has never been the best tplayer from yr to yr. If he was really that great there wouldn't be conversations of him or Melo, then him and kobe, then kd, then steph, then kawhi, then giannis and Luka.
Green you are so lucky because you don't play in Dennis Rodman time,he will totally destroy you....
D. Green is tripping.
What Draymond doesn’t seem to understand is if the talent today is better, why would we accept less greatness from a 6’9 freak of nature who cost a super team a title and used free agency to pair up with stars to lose more than win NBA championships? Dumb.
Look at that travel by LeBron James at 12:15 going for a dunk
Lol I. Just noticed that😂
That's like 80% of his baskets. Travel and dunk on an unprotected protected rim.
If you look up LeBron's shooting % outside of 3 feet, not outside the 3pt line, outside of 3 feet from the basket, you'll realize almost everyone regularly playing ball at the nearby gym or park shoots better than him. The difference is they aren't 6'8" and overhyped by sports media.
LMAOOOO he looks so goofy too taking 3 steps
HAHAHAA Mr Triple single has no idea wtf he talking bout, he has the weirdest way to calculate ''the goat''
MJ was widely considered the goat even BEFORE he won his first championship!! Anything after that was just icing on the cake. Man, that was a lot of icing, too!!
He wasn’t widely considered the goat until his 2nd 3-peat occurred, only people said that he was the most skilled player ever. The greatest and the best player ever are two different things.
@@keres9580 As far as I'm concerned, he is both. I think the record books would back up my opinion.
@@Fernando-vg4ym I do agree that MJ is the goat (which includes accomplishments) and the best player (only raw basketball talent) ever, I just think that MJ became the GOAT when he won his 4th or 5th title, not in 1990
@@keres9580 It really doesn't matter when he became the goat. What matters is he IS the goat. Everybody else is not even close to him.
@@Fernando-vg4ym yeah he is the goat.
Lebron has never carried any team to the finals. That 07 run is way way overrated.
Lebron has never built a team from the ground up all he’s done he traded off draft picks to get better pieces then when teams fail and have no draft capital he runs
Yup. He has never actually made a teammate a better player. He has only won when having multiple pre-existing superstars on his team.
Most NBA players have MJ, Bron, Kobe top 3. I agree Jordan is the 🐐 but I understand why people have Bron as the goat. NOBODY HAS EVER CARRIED ANY TEAM TO THE TITLE!
False .. hakeem , Dirk And arguably Kobe have done that
Michael jordan game 6 Utah,1998 finals, 45 points, clutch shot and steal. Scottie injured. Running on fumes, got that shit done.
I love these ppl who say "MJ never beat the greatest team ever"...Jordan didn't have to beat the juggernaut because his team WAS the juggernaut and he was the BIGGEST reason why they were the juggernaut. Even when Jordan got old he still held on to deny younger players for a few more years. Now I do believe Ultimately had the Bulls not broken up after 98 and stayed together I do think they would have been beaten by the Lakers or the Spurs as those teams were younger and hungrier. The Bulls were so worn out after the 6th title I don't think they could have stopped one of those 2 younger teams in the finals. But the fact that Jordan was still winning titles at 34/35 years of age, especially back then before all the advances of today that extend careers that a guy like Lebron benefits from, was very impressive. 34 and 35 we're ancient back then and you didn't see too many players still dominating at that point.
Jordan is the GOAT period..he accomplished more in a shorter career than LeBron..more MVPs in the regular season and playoffs, more Championships 6, more Scoring Titles 10, more 50+ point games 31 in the regular season and 8 more in the playoffs..higher winning percentage in the regular season and playoffs, highest PER ever, highest Win Shares Ever...as for Draymond Green isn't he the same guy to beg KD on the phone crying like a B.. to come to the Warriors?( And then run him off a few seasons later) Dennis Rodman would eat that fool alive..that is all
I don’t believe Lebron is the 2nd best player of all time. He may be the most abled player of all time. But you can’t mold your game off of Lebron as a young kid learning basketball. However, there is not 1 player in the league or just playing the game, who doesn’t have MJ DNA in their game. You can argue that Iverson is the only player to have generational impact on hoopers similar to Jordan. Now you see that same impact in Curry. But unless you’re the BIGGEST and strongest on the court, you ain’t playing like Lebron.
With his longevity still doesn't make him a GOAT, consistency was made MJ the GOAT, Greene needs to be educated about stats
There's a BIG difference between having a longer career and having a better one because LeBron's has been longer but it definitely hasn't been better than Jordan's 💯🗣🎯. LeBron is an all time great but y'all need to stop letting the media misdirect y'all because anyone who knows anything about the game of basketball knows that Michael Jordan is the GOAT 🐐
Green brings up the fact that lebron went to 9 straight NBA Finals... but fails to bring up the fact that lebron handpicked his HOF Superstar teammates AND he played in the east when it was rightfully called the "LEASTern Conference"! So of course he was going to go the Finals every year. But even with his own chosen Super teams, when he finally got real competition from the team from West... he LOST more times than he won!! lol!!
Compare that to Jordan when he was in the East! Back then the East was the Dominate Conference! Jordan with no help had to go up against teams like the 1986 Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons in the 80's!! When did Lebron EVER have to go up against teams like that in the Leastern conference, AND with no help!?? Then in the 90's, the East was still the Powerhouse, so a couple of times the Bulls biggest competition was from those East Teams in the Playoffs. In the Finals, Jordan never had to go 7 games.... in the East he did. Let's see how many of you remember the Team? Teams like that don't get the credit they deserve.
Bottom line is, Jordan didn't have a Cakewalk to the Finals like lebron did.
LBJ is no MJ and sir that 73-9 team lost the ship that year
Warriors ain't the greatest team ever. MJ and the Bulls were the best ever. If the Warriors played back in the physical Era, you boys will be crying in pain. And the Warriors record will be much worse. Draymond Green will just be a bench player.
Draymond talks like his brain needs to inhale mid sentence 😂
Jordan came up in a time where defense was tougher and better. Today's NBA they protect the offensive players a lot more because they want high scores a game. And the NBA today allows players to break the rules so much, like traveling and carrying.
Lebron James is mount rushmore. I would also personally make him the GOAT in longevity.
But the fact remains that he had to create 3 superteams to win 3 championships plus a mickey mouse championship. And above all, he lost to the Dallas team while playing for a Miami superteam.
It took roughly the same amount of years for both MJ and Lebron to win their 1st NBA championship. Difference was that when that happened, nobody ate during MJ's reign, whereas others ate plenty of championships during Lebron's reign.
Until proven otherwise, you had a handful of hall of famers on Detroit - IN THEIR PRIMES - that had to create "Jordan Rules" to stop that one man. MJ will forever be at the top of the pyramid.