BEST VR180 Camera in 2022? Canon RF5.2mm F2.8L Dual Fisheye vs FM DUO vs Z Cam K2Pro vs Insta360 EVO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- The best way to find the BEST 3D VR180 camera in 2022 is to compare all of them, side by side, in Virtual Reality Metaverse. In this 8K VR180 video, we compare the new Canon RF5.2mm F2.8 L Dual Fisheye lens (Canon R5 setup) with FM DUO, Z Cam K2Pro, and Insta360 EVO. Watch this in your favorite VR headsets like Oculus Quest 2 or HTC Vive Flow to decide which camera is the BEST.
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You are doing great, exactly the info I needed :) love to see the following video about how they perform inside an HMD, and especially with the Pico 3.0
Will do!
非常有用的视频，最终我选择了二手的insta360 EVO作为3d视频机。
The fm duo beats them all by far. I am very disappointed with canon in a direct comparison. Thanks for your effort. happy new year 2022
Thanks for the brilliant video. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2022!🎅🎄🎁
Thank you Shinil!! You too!
Enjoyed watching thanks Hugh
I am glad :)
This is awesome. Thank you for the content Hugh. Do you have a recommendation for a VR 180 or 360 under $2K? I have an insta360 X3 and while I love 360 mono, I am looking for more immersion. Thank you!
Thanks for your great videos. I want to know if really there is a confirmation from Canon about R5C and when it will be released?, And will it be much better than Canon R5 with Atomos Ninja v+?.
I mean should we wait for R5C? Or we can get the same result now if we use R5 with Ninja v+.
Great review. Thanks.
the Hype train for CES is a really good news.
Very nice to see all these systems compared like this.
I am glad this is helpful - no one has done it yet so I figure might be useful for lots of folks following this channel :)
Great video, thank you!
Glad to help :)
Great video as always! On TH-cam and the Quest 2, I don't notice a big dip in Quality to the EVO which is what I use. I mean I can see the fruit basket is a little more blurry, but close up content and colors are great. I just don't see $5000 worth of better quality with the Canon setup. I could see professional shoots needing the best, but for the average amature, eh, the viewer base just isn't there for VR yet.
Thanks for all your incredibly useful videos Hugh!!
Have you tried using two Sigma FPs linked together for 180VR? Might be interesting to compare if you haven’t already. It’s a relatively inexpensive camera but quite small and can be rigged with lenses closely together. It shoots Full Frame 4K Uncompressed RAW with DNG files It can also support external timecode recording so the two camera can be in sync. What do you think?
FM Duo, I never knew VR quality could be that good!
In my opinion the FM duo and the Canon fisheye lens win. Probably the FM duo for 12k but its also more expensive.
Thank you for the feedback Lana!
Looking this with new Varjo Aero and Canon wins this for me by very small margin, probably because I want to have that lens :). Far details are almost as good as FM DUO and for closer ones I can't see any difference. CA is controlled much better on Canon. For darker parts of the video FM DUO was better. Canon clips had quite bad compression blocks on darker parts of the video. Highlights were also some what better at Canon. Great content, thanks!
Came for the VR180 camera reviews. Subscribed for the "SO YOU NEED A TYPEFACE" t-shirt.
Thanks for the video comparison! I'm so curious about the prosumer 2022 VR180 camera you are teasing, because I really want to upgrade my EVO but am not sure whether to preorder the Canon dual fisheye lens or wait for this new VR camera you mentioned!
I can't say anything yet and it is gonna be a little while for that to release since the pandemic
Hello Hugh, what is the best VR180 camera in terms of video quality (resolution) with a budget of $500 to $750?
can you connect it to a fuji camera with a Canon EF to Fujifilm X adapter
The combination of ursa pro 12k and anon RF5.2mm F2.8 L Dual Fisheye is expected. Could you please review this too?
Thanks so much for these comparisons and lessons on backend support. I'm waiting for a EVO successor to jump back in but the new canon does seem within reach.
You are very welcome! When any new release is announce I will jump on it and review :)
Great video Hugh! It's so awesome to see this shootout. The biggest advantage of the EVO is image stabilization for moving shots. I think the future of VR180 video we should be able to to freely move the camera without making people sick. Does the Canon offer any stabilization capability or do any software plugins provide a good solution if you want to mount the R5 on a gimbal?
So no Canon R5 does not provide any stabilization and I will not recommend put it on gimbal neither. Canon only has horizon leveling. But the waterfall shot you see in this video is actually on a slider pushing in slowly - so it is moving shot - it look pretty stable but you should check it in headset. I think slider is the only "not sick" movement I will recommend in VR180
@@hughhou The slider works well since you keep it slow, but I thought at first it was problem on my end. I don't why with a 3-axis gimbal system you should have decent stabilization since it is only one sensor (right?)., especially if it is one of the new ones with an IMU metadata stream. Not sure what plugin could put it to use, but the combination should reduce a movement issues.
Anyway, your VR180 music it one of the best VR180s out there and your color grading is top notch. It also shows off the Canon's range.
Any news if the new Canon R5c will work with the lens? I am pretty sure it will, but of course it will push it even more out of my price range.
Thank you for this great video, Hugh. Do you know if the TH-cam VR app in the Quest 2 really plays back at 8k@30fps? When I try to set the quality it has either "Auto" or 2160, 1440...), but not 4320 which is the setting for 8K.
TH-cam VR on Quest 2 only play back 4K - 2160. For your other question, H264 is good for now. ProRes you will need Premiere to render there is a recent bug Canon is aware of it but still having fix it yet
FM Duo is the best for me but, too expensive for a ''non professional'' Happy New Year Hugh & family.
Happy new year! Thank you for the feedback!
About 12K: You can display more resolution than VR headsets are capable of decoding by using Tiled encoding. Normally headsets are kind of capable of decoding to their max resolution but you can squeeze extra resolution out of them using this. Only few video players such as Tiled Media's ClearVR allows this. This is especially useful today for 180 stereo and 360 mono or stereo. The other major benefit is streaming really high quality at lower bitrates.
Wow good info Fabrice!
Fabrice, would it be possible to view 12K footage in my VR headset using this method? Because i dont know any GPU that can play normal 12K at the moment.
@@jimmybaker4821 you probably could but these are specialized player that require a special encode. Tiled Media is the leading company in this field.
12k should be the standard resolution for VR. Even 8k is a bit blurry to me. With future headsets coming up we need 12K.
we need 16k 60fps i believe !
Hugh, first question, which camera does best for long form video recording at max resolution? I'm interested from a archiving theater productions perspective. With that in mind, second question, which camera is easiest to monitor and adjust settings on the fly while still recording?
The first one I will go with Z Cam K2 Pro in H265. I run 8 hours Jazz Music live recording test for Oculus and it never fail. Then FM DUO come second when it connect to a computer with fast SSD drive (4TB). It is design to be livestream so it can also run forever. But you need a laptop with RTX 3080 to do so. Canon will overheat or run out of storage in 20 min. But it is the easiest to adjust setting on the fly. Wait for Canon R5c might change everything.
Great content! What were the dimensions/frame size you uploaded to TH-cam for this video? Was it 7680 x 4320?
7680 X 3840 - 60FPS :) VR is always 2 by 1 ratio.
@@hughhou Thank you, and thank you for taking the time to answer! Much appreciated.
Thanks for this excellent video. I downloaded the video and reviewed in my headset. In my opinion the FM duo looked best and Canon Lens pretty close second.
Thank you for your feedback Jimmy! I will provide the Oculus TV link as well when Oculus back to work. It also provide 8K cached download so everyone can see the non-compressed full original quality.
@@hughhou i cant wait for it. I downloaded the 8k footage from youtube but the file size is only 1 GB so i think its heavily comperessed.
@@hughhou I can't wait to see that uncompressed file for Canon
I hope to one day see a feature film recorded in VR180, viewed in a VR headset. Do you think this will happen, or is it a pipedream?
I am more impressed with the Canon solution than I initially was. To me where Canon gets really interesting isn't the R5c but the R1 which hopefully will have 8k 60FPS like the Nikon Z9. It will be expensive though probably at close to $7k.
Can you also connect the canon rf5.2 to a fujifilm (xt3) camera?
No or not yet
The problem with all of these for me is the interpupillary distance cannot be adjusted like if you run for example dual GoPros. For me that has a greater IPD than usual, all video recorded with the average IPD will look like the items and people are bigger than they are.
Do you think it’s possible have 2 r5 5.2 back to front for 360?
Not back to front - but nodal for 3 turning points - as the overlap is not enough for just back to front. I will make a tutorial on that soon.
Great, really hoping for some kind of successor for the EVO.
Just have seen another video from you yesterday on OculusTV , where you have compared FM Duo, K2Pro and EVO (without the Canon RF Dual Fisheye) and thought "all right, quality of the EVO actually doesnt suck, but 30fps is not working for me)
Will have to see that Dual 360 Go2 vid though, but some finished product that is a little bit more failproof would be better.
On the other side, you talked about "pair up any dual camera with wide fov lenses , like 2x GoPro10 with Max Lens Mod , has someone tried this? Would wonder how this would look in Video.
Those lenses have 155° FOV , what would happen if both cams were not lined up straight to each other and instead following a slight curve where both cams are rotated a bit outwards? Wouldn't we be able to achieve 180° FOV then, sacrificing left peripheral vision on the right eye and the other way around?
Yes. Those are all coming out. Since the Canon VR180 system is a hot release now so I need to focus on making content to support that. When I finish my Canon VR180 series, I will back to making tutorial on how to make any camera VR180. The only downsize is again syncing. Recording in the same sensor like Canon is the best in sync - then Genlock come second, what I do with Go 2 and GoPro 10 will have drifting if recording is longer than 20 min.
Been shopping around for a consumer vr180 cam but it's either really expensive because of supply or totally unobtainable 😭 want to document my kid's life. You mentioned CES, so I'll keep an eye out for any new announcements there
Yea, I have been trying to get at least a second Evo for a while. An upgrade would be nice but I would settle for being able to get a vr180 camera without selling a kidney
Are there ways to download the best possible versions for headset viewing? All are limited to 4k youtube quality so you’ll get some oversampling benefit but not raw resolution. Or won’t it make much difference to have native on headset?
The 4K Video Downloader grab 8192x4096 MKV in VP9 codec. This is ready for playback in DeoVR (on Steam VR) in PCVR headset like the HP Reverb G2. Rename to: file_3D_180_SBS_LR.mkv for auto detection VR180 in DeoVR.
@@HuebiVR thanks, i was finally able to download and view it in my headsey
Holy Moly lol. Great hack. I should just provide H265 raw for download. But Oculus TV viewing is my recommend solution as Oculus TV on my channel has cached download without ANY trancode compression. I upload in H265 low compressed in 8K so VP9 is still a trancoded version of the original source file. Wait on Oculus go to work back from Holiday the download will be available! But for PCVR - this hack def work!
@@hughhou This is a new change on the TH-cam server. A few weeks ago there was only one eye in 8K on the server. The browser view was converted from this. That's why I always uploaded download versions as the 2D standard 8K. Now it goes natively from VR180. Perhaps TH-cam is actively getting back into the VR180 format, as Meta has success with it. The quality is much better on the PCVR with an HP Reverb G2 than in the Quest2. Also from original files.
@@HuebiVR the g2 reverb, pimax 8kx and Varjo Aero are all so much better for viewing than quest tbh.
Are consumer vr180 cameras now dead? I can't find any to buy. The vuze xr and insta evo are not available. Anything else is higher budget pro models
Tomorrow release will share some good news to you!
Cool
Thank you for presenting these cool cameras. I was impressed by the image of FM Duo. Thought Canon RF5.2 was top of the line. Please next time show first results of the cameras in optimal light conditions and then how they behave in low light conditions. I know in low light you easily can separate good cameras from worse cameras. But I like to see first what is possible in good conditions and then see the other conditions. I mostly film when I have good light conditions because in low light the results are mostly not worth to publish the videos. Also would be nice to put in a corner the name of the camera which is currently filming.
I was disappointed of the canon camera because the colors were so flat but in better light conditions results became more colorful.
Thank you for the suggestion :) We don't always have control of lighting in professional shoot - like live concern and etc. So having good dynamic range in low light is very important in VR180 industry. As live concert and show is the main gig we get hired.
@@hughhou Thank you for your answer. I understand your point of view.
Which is better for low light?
Can you provide high quality camera source videos please?
TH-cam rescaling and compression make meaningful comparison like this impossible.
I already uploaded them to Oculus TV - which is the highest resolution platform for distribution. It will have cached download available. But Oculus is on Vacation break now so my upload is not approved yet. When it is live I will update the link here - so you can watch it or direct download it on Oculus. Thanks :)
Oculus TV is good for seeing color quality and blurriness etc, but it's still compressed and limited by Quest resolution.
This makes comparing details and grain and such difficult.
Dark scene grain and for example insta360pro's muddy color detail get smoothed out in compression.
I don't mean to sound complain-y.. these clear side-by-side comparisons of parallel products on this channel are maybe the best on the internet - which is why I think high quality (preferrably native resolution) downloadable videos would add value.
Wow. The Canon shots did not make my eyes water whereas the FM Duo and Z Cams did. (Coming from Quest 2 user)
Good to know!
You need to start uploading the video file somewhere for download so PCVR users can see it in its full glory!
PCVR can not see on TH-cam VR?
@@hughhou it doesn’t support high resolution playback.
What happened to the rumored consumer level vr180 camera? I hope this wasn't the Qoocam Ego; was hoping for a true vr180 camera.
It was Qoocam EGO.
Maybe you've answered this somewhere else but, can you stich to 180 views together to make it 360?
Yes. Here is a great example of mine: th-cam.com/video/LhGtVxhFThM/w-d-xo.html
听你说了好几次这个消费者级别的VR相机，十分，不对，万分期待~~~
Not easy to compare if TH-cam show me picture as 480s :(
For you, what is the best?
That is coming in my next indepth review :)
I personally like weeviw Sid better than any of these expensive cameras...
Wait what camera?
@@hughhou Weeview SID camera..
I have Canon Dual Fisheye and really disappointed with it’s miserable resolution only will keep it for future cameras with 8k/60p. But what’s really shocking is a quality of the footage available in 18+ content industry. After some investigation I found there is a DreamCam Nano1 or v388 models which is not available for regular users but if you could get one somehow or check the available content I guarantee it will surprise. None of the listed here cameras even close to this thing
Fm duo
Cam boredom, and then madder than your dog or friend whem lets have things that should gave fatel re-coded incidentally onjuri3s because news camera man dont tell
Advantages of fm duo: high pixels, cheap storage, Disadvantages of fm duo: inaccurate color, poor latitude, high noise, large lens tolerance, cumbersome post-production, requires a high-end computer, requires an external power supply, and is not portable.
Thank you for the feedback.
canon is best
Too much filler content. Get to the point!