Truck bed Tragedy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ย. 2023
- I am literally beside myself with the weak bed on the 2020 Tundra, apparently the weight of the FWC Project M was too much for it to handle on the trails that I was taking. You can literally say that I am definitely not a HAPPY CAMPER.
For context, here are a few of the trails I was going down with my good friends 4WD Adventure crew!! / @4wdadventurecrew
• Barney Riley Trail! No...
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Good info! Back in 2012 I acquired a 2008 4x4 Tacoma which had higher bed sides than my previous 2004 taco. I moved my slide in utility body (very similar to a Tufport) and the dealer rep informed me that I had to install a sheet of dense foam on the floor of the bed to get the shell off of the bed rails. I had special hardware to fasten the shell firmly in the bed. No problems 11 years later..
Oh crap! You weren’t kidding. Subscribed and followed to see how it comes along. Good luck man!
Yeah, this was a serious blow to my winter plans for camping and wheeling for sure :(
Wow That’s Crazy Man, hope you can get it fixed up. Good luck!
Thanks, I literally can't even believe it, and of course my truck warranty just expired 2 months ago
I just want to say that I have been following Vas and his crew since the beginning. I live down in Santa Cruz county. Personally, I wouldn't tag along with them, with my truck, myself... GoodOnYa!!!
Man, that's not good. Sorry that happened, and thanks so much for sharing
I been considering a project M on a 2015 Chevy Colorado 2 wheel drive 6’ bed.. extra support in the corners for the weight seems like a good idea- I appreciate your videos!
I agree, extra support all around ha ha ha, I am fabbing up the steel this weekend to fix mine.
4WD campers should have alerted you for your specific truck model. I bought a Go Fast Camper recently. I received detailed messages prior to delivery from them on what was needed prior to delivery. My Tundra is an 04. All of these new Toyota Tacos/Tundras need special bed rail supports. They have a thin outer sheet metal skin and a composite material inner liner. They all need additional support for anything over 200 lbs supported by the bed rails.
Yeah, no one said a word about any bed stiffeners, but my 2nd gen Tundra is an all sheet metal bed, and soon will have some steel supports under it ha ha ha
@@theangrycamper It's the bed rails. Apparently, nobody at Toyota ever expected that they would be load carrying structures.
@@theangrycamper definitely make Four Wheel Campers aware! Even if they don't do anything about it (worst case) at least then they can't claim they weren't aware of an issue. Best case, they'll make sure future owners are informed, hopefully by including it in their recommendations (along with other truck upgrade stuff any truck camper manufacturershould be recommending, like airbags to level out the suspension and E-class tires that handle loads better)
@@-ellimist- Trust me, they know :)
I have a friend with a 2014 Taco, extended cab, 6' bed. He has one of the 4WD full campers. No problems. The deal is that the camper is one single unit that actually slides into the bed. No weight on the bed rails.
I have EXACTLY the same problem. '21 Tundra DC TRD with the 38gal tank. Ovrlnd camper (weighs 390lbs) on for 3 years. Upgraded suspension and I do have bed stiffeners in the rear. Carry nothing on the roof to add weight. Battery (40lbs) sitting right above the bed bolt in that area too, so well supported. Same crack in D-side front, but no bulge yet and no bed wiggle. Wouldn't know it's there except I checked after your video. Clearly Toyota did not support the bed well there, especially if you compare to the P-side same spot. Wish I could put a picture in the comment as it looks exactly like your crack. I don't abuse it, but do wheel tougher trails. Don't think it was the weight, but rather the torsion of wheeling and likely my last trip with a really, really rough run (aired down, shocks adjusted soft!) down the flat parts of Hole in The Rock Road with the absolute worst huge washboards ever. Please reply back or post up a new video on what you figure out to do on your rig to repair it. I'll do the same. Sorry for your problem too! Really nice interior build, BTW!
I will probably do a vid on the repair soon.
I’m dealing with the same issue. I want to gather as much evidence from as many parties as possible to try and get toyota to take responsibility for what I believe is a fundamental design flaw.
Man thats crazy. I think you'll be able to fix it. A lot of campers are around that weight around 350-500 so I'd imagine it'd be something that would happen with those as well.
This is the first I have heard of this happening, someone joked that I "sent her a little too hard" ha ha ha, I'm going to be researching the best way to fix it next week. Thanks for watching !!
I doubt many truck campers hinge their weight on an unsupported area of sheet metal. It's kind of like installing a bumper on your truck that you plan to put a winch on by screwing it to the fenders rather than mounting it to the frame of the truck.
@@Joseph-du1cp well the project M sits on the bed rails and literally that is exactly what is going on here, the supports do not extend out to hold up the bed rails. It's the sheet metal of the bed that holds the front rail up.
Sorry, this happened. Curious if you had bed stiffeners on your Tundra? Did FWC recommend bed stiffeners? The reason I ask is I currently am waiting on an Ovrlnd camper to put on my Tacoma and Ovrlnd recommends bed stiffeners to reduce flex on rails, especially for rough offroad travel. With this said, I currently have a camper shell on my Tacoma and did some pretty heavy offroading recently, I could definitely see some flex going in in my mirrors as I was over some rough stretches. Going to go check my bed rails today.
No one recommended anything. That said, the bed stiffeners that you are referring to ( I think) are the ones that protect the tailgate end from having the side walls flax, I don't think there are any products to protect the bed where my issues are.
I am sorry that you had trouble with your 2020. I got a 2016 crewmax and I grabbed my crawler and slid under to check mine and they must have fixed it in the 6 years between our years, mine is a T.R.D. Offroad 4x4 with the 5.7 V-8 ( i could not tell if yours is ? ) . In hindsight, my camper is all aluminum and weights 380lbs. So that could be a major factor.
The Tundra recall affects the model years 2000-2003, Toyota Tundra had a rust problem.
EXCESSIVE CORROSION OF THE REAR CROSS MEMBER MAY CAUSE THE SEPARATION OF THE SPARE TIRE STOWED UNDER THE TRUCK BED WHICH WOULD PRESENT A ROAD HAZARD THAT COULD CAUSE A CRASH. ALSO, CORROSION OF THE REAR CROSS MEMBER COULD AFFECT THE REAR BRAKE LINES AND THE PROPORTIONING VALVE RESULTING IN DIMINISHED BRAKING CAPABILITY.
Thanks for the video. Sorry for the misfortune. I do believe this will be easily fixed HOPEFULLY.. just by design that it was placed on an area with no support so hopefully you will be able to rectify it
Thank you!!
Bed rail supports. They are out there and available. GFC campers actually specifies getting them on their pre install checklist for newer Tacos/Tundras . Kind of blown away 4WD Campers does not do a pre installment check list. Hopefully your bed is not too effed up.
@@scottymac5174 We're going to weld supports in it Saturday
@@theangrycamper My truck, New lower front ball joints/bushings, new tie rod ends, New upper control arm/ball joints/ bushings. New Bilstein 6112 struts and springs.
2 3/4" lift. Hopefully enough for 33"s,
Rock crawling with a camper on. What could possibly go wrong 😆
To be fair, I really didn't know how hard that last trail was and if I did know I would have passed on that one but, once I was there, I had to get out so I was kinda no choice lol. I hear ya though huge lesson learned.
@theangrycamper I had something similar happen to me on my ram 2500. I hit a bit bump in the road, only going like ten miles an hour. Dented up passenger bedside and the top of the cab.
@@EmotoOregon That totally sucks :(
That sucks man. Maybe, use a jack on the section that's hanging low, to jack up that part until it touches the other section it broke off from, and weld it back into place. And then add pieces of thick steel plate and weld that over it to increase the thickness in that area. And add the same plates welded on the passenger side as well. That sucks man. I have an ovrlndcampers on my power wagon, taken it on some gnarly trails, but never have had that issue. I should probably check though just to be safe.
Really good advice, thanks. And definitely check out your bed :)
Just put a Tune M1 on my New Tacoma. Its best to put bed stiffeners in behind the tailgate because the bed is composite not sheet meteland without stiffeners there can be too much flexing.
Looks like you had a battery on that side ? Water ? Sorry, thank you for sharing this with all of us.
I have a whole built in cabinet system in there with the solar on that side but I think the rocky trails are what did me in :(
I would love to discuss my experience with you. I am dealing with the same thing and have ample evidence that this is a toyota design flaw. How can we connect?
Check out my instagram and send me a message!!
That bed is some type of composite material?? Not sheet metal?
It is 100% sheet metal.
@@theangrycamper How did it go?
@@scottymac5174 I'll make an update video in the next few days, I think its gonna be killer!!
i am sure it would happen to all the trucks looks like bottle jack and welder is all you need to fix it good luck
NGL I have seen a few videos of people getting fourth wheel campers and then either having an entire aftermarket bed or having bed reinforcements. No I know why at least
Wow! Solid PSA man. You may have saved someone else from having to deal with this BS. I mean I know Toyotas are generally great vehicles and I loved my first gen Tundra. But I think this is unacceptable unless you were really abusing your rig off road. And imo you dont seem to be the type to be doing that. That type is usually young, clueless, and careless. Basically a lot of us when we were in our late teens early 20s lol.
Thanks, I wasn't abusing it for sure but the last few trails were difficult. Frankly the bed is pretty thin and I probably should have known better or at least have thought about it maybe?
Toyota Tundra beds are trash. Four wheel campers knows this, and they require additional support before adding anything more than a topper / Project M.
The same thing happened with my 2018 ram 2500 bed hitting a large bump in the road. Even put a nice dent in the cab.
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Can you elaborate?
Many tundra owners run the project M with no issues at all. Not to mention even tundra owners run the fully loaded hawk camper model and just upgrade suspension.
The project M is the lightest camper you can get, I would almost be concerned if your truck had previous frame or bed damage before all this conspired.
Toyota makes good trucks, I just don’t see how this failed 🤷♂️
I think it failed because I went full send over huge rocks and boulders a little too much. Hawk model campers sit in the bottom of the bed so the payload rests in the bed not on the bed rails.
@@theangrycamper Damn! Something to be mindful of for sure then!
@@604parkour I may have overestimated how tough the truck was and underestimated how big the rocks were
I have a 2018 double cab SR5 TRD and never encountered such a bed issue, your truck may have hit a big rock.
@@AdventuraHighway31 I hit lots of big rocks.
From my understanding, to properly carry a camper, it has to be a minimum 3/4 ton. 1/2 ton won't cut it. I saw you mentioned to someone below about your warranty running our two months ago? That wouldn't be covered by warranty, sorry for your luck bud (I truly am) but if I was the dealer and you tried to convince me this was a warranty issue...would be the funniest day of my life. Best of luck to you.
The project M is a camper shell basically it only weighs 425 lbs, but I hear ya.
@@theangrycamper425, plus your 225 is already 650 of the 1400-1500 the truck is rated for, and we haven’t accounted for any gear, food, water, or other supplies you had with you. The Tundra is a light duty truck. If you want to wheel with a camper, get a teardrop trailer or a 1 ton like the tremor or at4x.
@@LumberjackAdam I agree that wheeling as hard as I did with that thing was very stupid.... hard lesson learned, that said I know and follow tons of Tundra owners that carry way more weight than me with no problems. I'm just unlucky :(
This is typical. Despite camper companies making 'half-ton' campers, read the fine print; most half-tons say in the manual and in the glove box, to not carry a camper...of any kind.
Payloads and boxes aren't designed for them, and any Toyota TRD sacrifices payload for off-road performance.
Most people driving Toyotas, and half-tons with campers are well over GVW, and there is no modification that increases payload. Simple...read before you buy.
Bed campers seem to be a really bad idea for about any truck. I've run across videos showing one ton trucks with broken frames recently. I hope you find a way to fix it economically.
It is definitely a tragedy :(
This is what happens when you use a 1/2 ton toy to tow or haul anything. Save yourself and get a 1 ton gasser truck.
no thanks, last thing I want to own is a dually to take out to four wheel.
@@theangrycamper who said anything about a Dually?
@@fattie2550 I'm looking to go smaller not bigger.
@@theangrycamper smaller to what?
@@fattie2550 Sorry, I should have given you some context. I am finding out that the trails and places that I want to go are not so great in a full size truck. This thing is just too wide, tall and long. I am selling a 4runner 2wd to get a 4runner 4x4 to hit some of these trails. Thanks for commenting.
Seems like the weight of the camper was placed on an area of the truck that is not structural (reviewing the design of the camper this is definitely the case). I would fault the design of the camper over Toyota. Sure the truck has a 2K weight capacity in the bed, but not the upper rails. It's a little bit like dropping a few hundred pounds on the middle of the roof of the truck and expecting it not to buckle.
Next time buy a Ford
No thanks I actually want to make it back home from the trail 😅😅😅😅
My old Ford is doing the same thing actually lol. 1992 OBS
@@a2jettagli That sucks, I'm sorry.
@@a2jettagli saying 1992 and "OBS" is redundant. Obviously anything from 1992 is going to be old body style. 🙄
Don't buy a goddamn Ford. Buy a Dodge. Buy a real pickup
No thanks, no ford's or dodge for me. Too many issues with those trucks to list, even considering this issue, reliability and overall quality wins with the tundra.
get a ford and this would never happen.
Maybe not but with the Ford you will have constant engine issues and electrical gremlins. Found on road dead for a reason.
It is easy to say that this brand or that brand would never have this issue but I think that the trails I was going down vs the sheet metal that ALL truck beds are made from, this is the inevitable outcome for most if not all of them.
Yea, get a Ford, that way it'll break down BEFORE you even leave on the trip, saving you countless headaches on the trail! Good thinking! LOL...
そのとおり !
TUNDRA の部品は日本で製造しています。
メーカーは自動化を進め、優秀な技術者や、熟練工を冷遇してきました。
その結果です。
made in Japan は幻想にすぎません。
大至急 Ford に変更して下さい。
私は日本で Prius を所有しています。:D
@@shizumaaonuma4801 never a FORD ever, never ever ever
I see you have a bad eye. Your right eye. I have a bad eye.. My left eye. 90% blind. It is what it it is.
hit in the eye duct 20 years ago by a surfboard. Degeneration.
Nerve damage.