@9:00 "Immediately noticing the new Republic Presence." You meant to say Thyferra Liberation Fleet, right? Edit: @10:35 "and to the surprise of the Empire..." You meant to say surprise to the Admiral of the Lusyanka and his staff, right? Edit 2: You keep talking about Rogue Squadron, but they had the Twi'leks, the Gand, and the fighter compliment from the Freedom as support. That's enough fighters to provide escort for the torpedo raids (and for the freighters), and the Tie Bombers probably did damage themselves, with freighters possibly using their telemetry too.
They refused to do anything... because... politics. (Also, the author needed Rogue Squadron to do it on their own... plot holes exist... some can't be ignored.) I think the plot holes in the four books were created because the author was rushed into writing the plot and the books to meet the deadline he didn't know existed as he wasn't informed that he won the bid to write the first four novels until Lucasfilm reached out to him and informed him they there were a few days before the deadline.
@@aralornwolf3140 They refused to do anything ...because...politics. And because they knew that Rogue Squadron, who had just finished taking down Coruscant from the inside using a bit of slicing and a handful of Z-95s, would do it for them off the books. I mean, come on - they're _rebels._
It's funny as Admiral Drommel's subordinate killed him for similar reasons and turned over the Super Star Destroyer Guardian to the New Republic, so the New Republic got both its Star Dreadnoughts because a sane subordinate executed their insane commander and surrendered the ships rather than kamikaze pointlessly.
A: “Are we the baddies?” B: “no, don’t be ridiculous. Why would you ask that?” A: “well, I’m a _storm trooper_ working on a star _destroyer_ named _The Corrupter”_ B: “yeah I don’t see it.” Edit: A: “you’re right, let’s go back to guarding this ship so we can withhold medical supplies from trillions of people who’re suffering from our bio weapon :) “ *whistles imperial march*
@@TheNobleFive ikr. _An empire_ may have been best for the galaxy _in hindsight_ knowing about all the extra galactic threats, but _the Empire_ was irredeemably evil, founded upon a false war, built on the bones of a religious genocide, and ushered in by a slave army which kept power through fear and was run by space-satan.
There is an in-universe explanation for this in one of the Legends books (can't for the life of me remember which). Basically Palpatine did it deliberately. The outwardly "for the good of the galaxy" spin on Imperial actions through propaganda with the undertone of evil from things like ship names etc provided a dark side twist to the entire imperial armed forces that pleased him.
They are good, clean action novels. I think they are the novel equivalents of very good popcorn movies. Very entertaining and easy to read, but not necessarily pinnacles of literary art.
@@timberwolf1575 In other words, they perfectly encapsulate the spirit of the Star Wars movies themselves. There's no shame in doing something simple exceptionally well, and I think most people looking for "pinnacles" in some high art sense probably aren't going to be looking for that in something called "the X-wing series." Like, "oh, this taco is good, but it's not a $100 aged steak." Why does it have to be? Why even bring that up? Why can't it just be a really good taco?
Freedom Officer: "They aren't paying us enough for this". Freedom Captain: "Then let's survive so that we demand more" God, I read this almost 20 years ago and I remembered vaguely some of the details. But you summed them up perfectly. Thanks for the trip back in time.
@@Lambomurcielago670 Forward Unto Dawn? Yes. Bird of Prey? No, you're seeing either a Marauder-class corvette or the Ebon Hawk from KOTOR. But somehow the Rogues got their hands on the Galaxy Gun, even though it wouldn't be built for several years.
I appreciate that you gave a lot of the context around just battle instead of just jumping in, especially cause it’s legends and I don’t now that stuff in depth
I loved the battle at Alderaan in the book. The appearance of the Valiant and the destruction of the Corrupter had me whooping and hollering when I first read it. I also loved the wordplay of the capital ship names with Wedge having the final killing blow to the Corrupter!
It is awesome to see more of this content from you, I am so happy. BTW, the battle-star Galactica is in one of the fleet box things I find that pretty cool.
I really love the contrast between Sair Yonka (Freedom) and Joak Drysso (Lusankya). Both Captains refuse to surrender despite their ships taking beatings, but Yonka convinces his Men that they’re fighting for their lives and Freedom (Pun intended), whereas Drysso is obsessed with Personal glory and doesn’t care about his Men. Yonka wins but Drysso gets mutinied.
Honestly, I think that Star Wars has a real problem with "good guy" factions making *really* bad strategic decisions. "We just won the latest in a millennia-long series of brutal wars against an evil and powerful enemy. We should immediately dismantle the military" "We just won a costly war against a powerful and evil enemy, which lurked under our noses for the last 1000 years. Let's dismantle our military" Lots of other bad decisions.
A lot of the time, they need to scale back their military so they don't become an echo of the very faction they just defeated, but they often go to far and don't take any measures to prevent another group from militarizing and radicalizing.
Honestly, until Sequel Trilogy, Star Wars didn't have a problem with overly downgrading their navies post war. Maintaining a navy is expensive... and when one doesn't have a foe to combat, then the extra ships are a drain of financial, material, and population resources. Look at what the vast majority of nations did with their navies post WWI and WWII. After WWI, there was a treaty signed by the participants which reduced the size of their fleets and mandated a maximum ship size for capital ships (ignore the false classifications in Star Wars, capital ships are battlecruisers and larger). The outliers of that trend (post WWII) were the belligerents of the Cold War... even then, only the USA has maintained a War Fleet while being relatively at peace on the seas... Aircraft Carrier groups make for expensive anti-piracy task groups. Which is why the complaints about USA military spending is very vocal by the civilian population. In Legends, the Old Republic won a war... and then had a 1,000 years of peace, so it didn't need a navy with large amounts of capital ships... it just needed enough of them in strategic locations (shipyards, supply depots, fleet bases, important systems, etc.) to be able to respond to any threat quickly with just the available capital ships. Most of the navy would be corvettes, frigates, and destroyers which are the ships designed for anti-piracy patrols and they call in cruisers when they identify pirate bases. Only pirates with strong financial backing (being used as mercenaries/privateers) would be able to have ships capable of seriously threatening medium combatants (light and heavy cruisers). The expense of maintaining a capital ship would be beyond them. When the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo, which was an act of war, the Chancellor didn't involve the Republic Navy because he wanted to end the conflict with negotiations (a settlement to end the crisis peacefully) instead of dealing with civil war. In the aftermath of the Trade Federation's failure, their droid command ships were removed from their possession by the Republic (later used by Admiral Tarkin to assault a neutral planet... which escaped into hyperspace) stripping them of their ability to protect many of their installations. At the start of the Clone Wars the Trade Federation convinced thousands of other systems to cede from the Republic, while they were building new droids and droid command ships. This violation of the treaty forced the Republic to declare the CIS to be a threat and mobilized their navy to deal with them... although the Republic was caught by surprise, it still had enough capital ships that the two sides had parity. Once the Republic started to get new ships, new soldiers trained, the war was going to be lost by the CIS, so they attacked Coruscant (which ended the Clone Wars and the Republic). The Galactic Civil War ended, which lasted for more than 15 years, with a peace treaty between the much reduced Empire and the New Republic. The only opponents the New Republic had were minor War Lords which they didn't need a large fleet to crush so they reduced their fleet strength to a much more reasonable level. The only time the New Republic reduced their fleet strength too much was at the time of Ambush at Corellia when a third of their commissioned "in service" ships were in dock hands. They weren't available to squash that rebellion promptly. Added to the complication was a system wide (light month+ wide) interdiction field and systems with habitable planets were being destroyed (which tied up the Republic's resources as the ships they used to get refugees out of those systems were the same ships required to service a fleet they needed to deal with the threat). However, after several months, certainly less than a year, the Republic did have a fleet large enough to destroy/capture the rebel's ships at Centerpoint Station. Looking at the Sequel Trilogy... The Empire was utterly defeated, due to Operation Cinder and ships heading off to form the First Order, in a single year. The remaining Imperial holdouts surrendered and they signed a peace treaty drastically reducing the fleet strength and prohibiting proton torpedoes (instead of "death star tech"). After about 30 years of peace and totally ignoring the First Order's activities, and the materials the First Order needed to build a fleet, let alone a planet sized super weapon, the New Republic Navy was utterly destroyed with Not-Coruscant. Leaving the Resistance, with 1 capital ship, to defeat the First Order by itself. Then, a year later, they find out that the Final Order also built thousands, possibly tens of thousands of ships, each using "death star tech" and are capable of destroying entire planets. They simply sat around in a planetary atmosphere so that JJ Abrams can have a climatic victory by the Rebels 2.0 over Palpatine against all rationally written odds. But, who knows what happens after this... as the entire galaxy was destroyed by fans everywhere.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Eh, you say "war allergic civvies", but I mean, they're pretty justifiable in being anti-war. The whole point of the Rebellion was to destroy the Empire and restore the Republic, and besides, like other people have said, maintaining a standing army/navy that big can't be cheap. If there was no immediate need to have a standing army, and it was unpopular with the people, any decent government would downscale it at least.
The Ruusan Reformation dismantled a central Republic fleet in exchange for lots of large planetary defence forces, which made sense when trying to defend against a overwhelming Sith fleet, but it also made it easier for individual planets and systems to secede, and limited the Republic's offensive capabilities. But it did make some sense in light of what happened during the New Sith Wars. The New Republic's strategy of complete demilitarization and turning a blind eye to everything is basically a trauma effect of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, but it was idiotic strategically. These two are very different.
I was glad to see this video. I've been re-reading the series. I just got to Isard's Revenge. It's been super fun to dip back into the stories and visit old friends again.
LOVED the Rogue Squadron books growing up as the star fighter battles were always one of the best parts of Star Wars. Coran Horn was a badass and his trip to becoming a Jedi was awesome to see. Time for a reread!
The Bacta War is my most favourite plotline in the Rogue Squadron series, second only to Wraith Squadron. So much planning and tactics and also multiple returning characters and places from earlier in the books
The rogue squadron series is still one of my fav sagas from star wars to this day. I love the non Jedi perspectives and fighter jock attitude. Would love to see you do more battle breakdowns from this series
This might be one of Michael Stackpole's best novels. He did a really good job setting up the surprise, for both Imperials and the readers. That is also one of my favorite battles. Awesome job explaining everything.
The text battles in Star Wars always feel more epic to me. I think it's because they actually show extensive damage to the ships, while the films generally just have the ships randomly blow up in one go.
Kell Tainer trying to rescue Admiral Ackbars niece was the pinnacle for me. One of the best scenes in a Star Wars book from an action angle seeing what a determined pilot could do; and an emotional aspect of just how utterly decimating it can be to fail when doing everything right (Picards, legendary, line to Data in TNG).
He had what looked like a miniature Galactica, the Ebon Hawk, a Frigate from Halo, a Marauder class corvette, a Rendilli Drive yards Dreadnought and the Millennium Falcon. Sos if I missed one.
Thanks for this. The X-Wing series are my favorite Star Wars books, and among my favorite books of all time. Thanks for visual representations. It makes me very happy.
Fleet battle between Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.
I feel like it would only be a matter of how long before the battle devolved into Ender ramming his ships into Thrawn's. That was pretty much his defining genius tactic.
@@scoman91 yeah. OSC couldn't write space battles, idk why. I haven't read more than the next 2 or 3 books but I don't remember him improving in that respect.
This story makes more sense than "The Resistance" in the sequel movies. Or Rogue squadron is doing what the lore of the sequel movies is telling us instead of showing us.
the smile that came on my face when I saw this. A new ecks vid that is a battle breakdown from one of my favorite legends series (I really liked the games and the ships so the series just added on)
God this video was amazing! It’s been so long since I’ve seen a battle breakdown. I forgot how much I loved them. Thank you so much for listening to us!!! Even if this video doesn’t get many views, I hope you keep posting vids like these
Wow, perfect timing. I actually wanted to write about the Bacta War the other day for Thrawn's Revenge, but didn't even know what it was. Thanks for the help :P
For those who don’t know Pash Cracken is the son of Aiden Cracken who’s essentially the NR head of CIA. He’s an A-wing ace. He also was briefly a Rogue Squadron member as he wanted to test himself.
I remember grabbing The Bacta War and reading it in the library when I was in college. I also remember being so engrossed in the book that I missed a class!
Rogue Squadron series was my fave after Thrawn Trilogy. Plenty of ship and starfighter action, awesome characters, and much of the story of how Empire lost Coruscant and Rebels started setting up New Republic for good.
You know, it honestly feels less like "Yay, this series is back!", and more like "Ahh, an Eckhart's Ladder video." Like, this is why I'm here. Great video, and I can't wait for more. Also... why does that group of freighters include a Battlestar and a UNSC frigate? I assume the other ships are from stuff too, but I can't make it out. I think one's the Millennium Falcon..?
I love the use of silhouettes from other videos and franchises for the freighter fleet. I see a UNSC frigate, either a UNSC Halcyon or Marathon class, the Galactica, a klingon bird of prey, the Millennium Falcon, possibly a ship from babylon 5? Cool little easter eggs
Epic as this is, the books only got better after this. The next three books follow Wraith Squadron (a brand new unit developed after lessons learned from this mission made Wedge realize they needed a commando unit that just happened to have X-Wings) and the hunt for another SSD, the Iron Fist. Three books of carefully tracking down and working their way through a former Imperial admiral-turned-warlord's breakaway mini-Empire to get a shot at taking down a SSD actively wrecking havoc across the galaxy (in the book prior to the one this video covers, Iron Fist destroys a flotilla of civilian freighters attempting to bring much-needed bacta to Coruscant which is why it was targeted next. Lusankya had the priority, but Iron Fist was selected as being the next focus once Isard was dealt with).
Hell yeah, battle breakdowns are back! Don't you love democracy? Interesting battle as well. Separating the torpedo launcher targeting arrays from the launchers and slaving it to the fighter's targeting computers is smart. Using the extra targeting arrays to make the Empress look like it had teeth is inspired. It also means that the proton torpedo is a semi-active homing weapon, the target needs to be lit and locked by the launcher. Eagerly waiting for your next battle breakdown.
A couple points: Return time for the Lusankya was 24hrs, not 12, p280-81 discusses this and that the X wings would arrive 12hrs faster than the Lusankya. Instead of flying in their cockpits, the X wings embarked the Freedom and arrived with it, *after* the arrival of the Lusankya (p293) It was 3 squadrons of A-Wings not one (Commander Varth's wing, p11, p337)
Y'all asked and I delivered. Let's get this video to 100k and I'll do another breakdown this coming week!
I remember reading this years ago as a kid! The Alderaanian cruisers were always so cool to me.
@9:00 "Immediately noticing the new Republic Presence." You meant to say Thyferra Liberation Fleet, right?
Edit: @10:35 "and to the surprise of the Empire..." You meant to say surprise to the Admiral of the Lusyanka and his staff, right?
Edit 2: You keep talking about Rogue Squadron, but they had the Twi'leks, the Gand, and the fighter compliment from the Freedom as support. That's enough fighters to provide escort for the torpedo raids (and for the freighters), and the Tie Bombers probably did damage themselves, with freighters possibly using their telemetry too.
Justin can you please do a Super Star Destroyer vs The Earth? I mean like all of the Earth’s Military combined against a Super Star Destroyer.
Hey eckhart what do you use to create the maps of the battles?
Is that the Battlestar Galactica I see at 5:53
Isard: *takes over Thyferra and the bacta supply*
New Republic: *refuses to do anything*
Rogue Squadron: Fine, we'll do it ourselves.
They refused to do anything... because... politics. (Also, the author needed Rogue Squadron to do it on their own... plot holes exist... some can't be ignored.)
I think the plot holes in the four books were created because the author was rushed into writing the plot and the books to meet the deadline he didn't know existed as he wasn't informed that he won the bid to write the first four novels until Lucasfilm reached out to him and informed him they there were a few days before the deadline.
*Fine, we'll do it ourselves, AGAIN
And then New Republic takes all credit.
@@aralornwolf3140 They refused to do anything ...because...politics. And because they knew that Rogue Squadron, who had just finished taking down Coruscant from the inside using a bit of slicing and a handful of Z-95s, would do it for them off the books. I mean, come on - they're _rebels._
Also Rogue Squadron: And then we'll replace the entire ineffective "government". : )
they way the captain died made me laugh the guy was probably like " OH HELL NO! i ain't dieing for your power trip"
It's funny as Admiral Drommel's subordinate killed him for similar reasons and turned over the Super Star Destroyer Guardian to the New Republic, so the New Republic got both its Star Dreadnoughts because a sane subordinate executed their insane commander and surrendered the ships rather than kamikaze pointlessly.
Just imagine that guy shouts "all in favour of mutiny?" and everyone raises their hands.
@@demi-femme4821The Captain: Ooooohhh Noooooooo
@@ZKP314Are you an Oversimplified fan?
A: “Are we the baddies?”
B: “no, don’t be ridiculous. Why would you ask that?”
A: “well, I’m a _storm trooper_ working on a star _destroyer_ named _The Corrupter”_
B: “yeah I don’t see it.”
Edit:
A: “you’re right, let’s go back to guarding this ship so we can withhold medical supplies from trillions of people who’re suffering from our bio weapon :) “
*whistles imperial march*
C: ''Why are you asking this now? Why didn't you ask this question when you were posted on the Avarice, Devastator or the Death Star?''
tHE emPiRe diD nOTHinG WrONg
@@TheNobleFive ikr.
_An empire_ may have been best for the galaxy _in hindsight_ knowing about all the extra galactic threats, but _the Empire_ was irredeemably evil, founded upon a false war, built on the bones of a religious genocide, and ushered in by a slave army which kept power through fear and was run by space-satan.
There is an in-universe explanation for this in one of the Legends books (can't for the life of me remember which).
Basically Palpatine did it deliberately. The outwardly "for the good of the galaxy" spin on Imperial actions through propaganda with the undertone of evil from things like ship names etc provided a dark side twist to the entire imperial armed forces that pleased him.
To be fair, destroyer is a ship class. A star destroyer is not a destroyer of stars but a destroyer in the stars. Like star cruiser or starfighter.
The OG Stackpole Rogue Squadron books were always my favorite Star Wars stories
They are good, clean action novels. I think they are the novel equivalents of very good popcorn movies. Very entertaining and easy to read, but not necessarily pinnacles of literary art.
same bro
@@timberwolf1575 fair point, and since I was ten when I started them, it was a good fit. Same with his Battletech series
I slightly prefer Allston's. Better funny moments, better sad moments.
@@timberwolf1575 In other words, they perfectly encapsulate the spirit of the Star Wars movies themselves. There's no shame in doing something simple exceptionally well, and I think most people looking for "pinnacles" in some high art sense probably aren't going to be looking for that in something called "the X-wing series."
Like, "oh, this taco is good, but it's not a $100 aged steak."
Why does it have to be? Why even bring that up? Why can't it just be a really good taco?
This series is back yes I’m fees much nostalgia
I agree👍
I agree👍
I also agree
Freedom Officer: "They aren't paying us enough for this".
Freedom Captain: "Then let's survive so that we demand more"
God, I read this almost 20 years ago and I remembered vaguely some of the details. But you summed them up perfectly. Thanks for the trip back in time.
So really, Freedom isn't Free.
Yes!!!! Battle Breakdowns are the reason I started watching this channel. Great work Eck!
I see the Galactica managed to sneak it’s way into the freighter group…
Came here for this!
Saw that too. Glad someone else saw it. lol
I see she also has backup with the Forward Unto Dawn and a klingon bird of prey?
@@Lambomurcielago670 Forward Unto Dawn? Yes. Bird of Prey? No, you're seeing either a Marauder-class corvette or the Ebon Hawk from KOTOR. But somehow the Rogues got their hands on the Galaxy Gun, even though it wouldn't be built for several years.
@@AesonDaandryk so did Adama
This is epic Eck!
One of my favourite bait & heists of the Legends era, with my favourite pilots - so happy you covered this one!
ITS BACK! I love this series so very much and I can’t express how utterly ecstatic I am that this has made a return!
Not just the books, supposedly it's getting the live action treatment too. 🤞
I appreciate that you gave a lot of the context around just battle instead of just jumping in, especially cause it’s legends and I don’t now that stuff in depth
after so many years..my favorite series is back!!
I loved the battle at Alderaan in the book. The appearance of the Valiant and the destruction of the Corrupter had me whooping and hollering when I first read it. I also loved the wordplay of the capital ship names with Wedge having the final killing blow to the Corrupter!
I was expecting it to be cool but this was a whole other level. Amazing battle and even better video!
As a fan of the rogue squadron book series, I have BEEN waiting for years for this scenario to be explained!
It is awesome to see more of this content from you, I am so happy. BTW, the battle-star Galactica is in one of the fleet box things I find that pretty cool.
Also a Unsc frigate I believe xD
I really love the contrast between Sair Yonka (Freedom) and Joak Drysso (Lusankya). Both Captains refuse to surrender despite their ships taking beatings, but Yonka convinces his Men that they’re fighting for their lives and Freedom (Pun intended), whereas Drysso is obsessed with Personal glory and doesn’t care about his Men. Yonka wins but Drysso gets mutinied.
I have waited for years for you to finally breakdown what’s possibly my favorite battle from my all-time favorite book series!!
I especially enjoy these legends battle breakdowns. Because we see canon battles on a screen already, but in legends we only have books.
0:35 Hello, Battlestar there at the top there, in that group the Falcon is with
Anything involving SSDs on this channel brings back tons of nostalgia.
The X-WING books are some of the finest works of the EU. Great video man keep it up
Honestly, I think that Star Wars has a real problem with "good guy" factions making *really* bad strategic decisions.
"We just won the latest in a millennia-long series of brutal wars against an evil and powerful enemy. We should immediately dismantle the military"
"We just won a costly war against a powerful and evil enemy, which lurked under our noses for the last 1000 years. Let's dismantle our military"
Lots of other bad decisions.
A lot of the time, they need to scale back their military so they don't become an echo of the very faction they just defeated, but they often go to far and don't take any measures to prevent another group from militarizing and radicalizing.
Honestly, until Sequel Trilogy, Star Wars didn't have a problem with overly downgrading their navies post war.
Maintaining a navy is expensive... and when one doesn't have a foe to combat, then the extra ships are a drain of financial, material, and population resources.
Look at what the vast majority of nations did with their navies post WWI and WWII.
After WWI, there was a treaty signed by the participants which reduced the size of their fleets and mandated a maximum ship size for capital ships (ignore the false classifications in Star Wars, capital ships are battlecruisers and larger).
The outliers of that trend (post WWII) were the belligerents of the Cold War... even then, only the USA has maintained a War Fleet while being relatively at peace on the seas... Aircraft Carrier groups make for expensive anti-piracy task groups. Which is why the complaints about USA military spending is very vocal by the civilian population.
In Legends, the Old Republic won a war... and then had a 1,000 years of peace, so it didn't need a navy with large amounts of capital ships... it just needed enough of them in strategic locations (shipyards, supply depots, fleet bases, important systems, etc.) to be able to respond to any threat quickly with just the available capital ships.
Most of the navy would be corvettes, frigates, and destroyers which are the ships designed for anti-piracy patrols and they call in cruisers when they identify pirate bases. Only pirates with strong financial backing (being used as mercenaries/privateers) would be able to have ships capable of seriously threatening medium combatants (light and heavy cruisers). The expense of maintaining a capital ship would be beyond them.
When the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo, which was an act of war, the Chancellor didn't involve the Republic Navy because he wanted to end the conflict with negotiations (a settlement to end the crisis peacefully) instead of dealing with civil war.
In the aftermath of the Trade Federation's failure, their droid command ships were removed from their possession by the Republic (later used by Admiral Tarkin to assault a neutral planet... which escaped into hyperspace) stripping them of their ability to protect many of their installations.
At the start of the Clone Wars the Trade Federation convinced thousands of other systems to cede from the Republic, while they were building new droids and droid command ships. This violation of the treaty forced the Republic to declare the CIS to be a threat and mobilized their navy to deal with them... although the Republic was caught by surprise, it still had enough capital ships that the two sides had parity. Once the Republic started to get new ships, new soldiers trained, the war was going to be lost by the CIS, so they attacked Coruscant (which ended the Clone Wars and the Republic).
The Galactic Civil War ended, which lasted for more than 15 years, with a peace treaty between the much reduced Empire and the New Republic. The only opponents the New Republic had were minor War Lords which they didn't need a large fleet to crush so they reduced their fleet strength to a much more reasonable level.
The only time the New Republic reduced their fleet strength too much was at the time of Ambush at Corellia when a third of their commissioned "in service" ships were in dock hands. They weren't available to squash that rebellion promptly. Added to the complication was a system wide (light month+ wide) interdiction field and systems with habitable planets were being destroyed (which tied up the Republic's resources as the ships they used to get refugees out of those systems were the same ships required to service a fleet they needed to deal with the threat).
However, after several months, certainly less than a year, the Republic did have a fleet large enough to destroy/capture the rebel's ships at Centerpoint Station.
Looking at the Sequel Trilogy...
The Empire was utterly defeated, due to Operation Cinder and ships heading off to form the First Order, in a single year. The remaining Imperial holdouts surrendered and they signed a peace treaty drastically reducing the fleet strength and prohibiting proton torpedoes (instead of "death star tech"). After about 30 years of peace and totally ignoring the First Order's activities, and the materials the First Order needed to build a fleet, let alone a planet sized super weapon, the New Republic Navy was utterly destroyed with Not-Coruscant. Leaving the Resistance, with 1 capital ship, to defeat the First Order by itself.
Then, a year later, they find out that the Final Order also built thousands, possibly tens of thousands of ships, each using "death star tech" and are capable of destroying entire planets. They simply sat around in a planetary atmosphere so that JJ Abrams can have a climatic victory by the Rebels 2.0 over Palpatine against all rationally written odds.
But, who knows what happens after this... as the entire galaxy was destroyed by fans everywhere.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Eh, you say "war allergic civvies", but I mean, they're pretty justifiable in being anti-war. The whole point of the Rebellion was to destroy the Empire and restore the Republic, and besides, like other people have said, maintaining a standing army/navy that big can't be cheap. If there was no immediate need to have a standing army, and it was unpopular with the people, any decent government would downscale it at least.
The demilitarization in canon I found even more silly. Like, why would they even do that at all? It’s so stupid.
The Ruusan Reformation dismantled a central Republic fleet in exchange for lots of large planetary defence forces, which made sense when trying to defend against a overwhelming Sith fleet, but it also made it easier for individual planets and systems to secede, and limited the Republic's offensive capabilities. But it did make some sense in light of what happened during the New Sith Wars.
The New Republic's strategy of complete demilitarization and turning a blind eye to everything is basically a trauma effect of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, but it was idiotic strategically.
These two are very different.
I was glad to see this video. I've been re-reading the series. I just got to Isard's Revenge. It's been super fun to dip back into the stories and visit old friends again.
LOVED the Rogue Squadron books growing up as the star fighter battles were always one of the best parts of Star Wars. Coran Horn was a badass and his trip to becoming a Jedi was awesome to see. Time for a reread!
Great choice of battle. I’d love for Booster to make a return, he was a blast, and the idea of a civilian ISD is too good not to use.
This was the book series that got me into the star wars expanded universe so many years ago. Thanks for this video Ecks, well done.
The Bacta War is my most favourite plotline in the Rogue Squadron series, second only to Wraith Squadron. So much planning and tactics and also multiple returning characters and places from earlier in the books
I add Iron Fist there to
@@paulrasmussen8953 razors kiss was a great plot line; especially with the Wraiths involved (love that crew).
5:48
Hah I see what you did there, Galactica and a Vor'cha. Surely some of the others are also out-of-universe ships. :D
The rogue squadron series is still one of my fav sagas from star wars to this day. I love the non Jedi perspectives and fighter jock attitude. Would love to see you do more battle breakdowns from this series
Additionally have you ever thought about doing ground battle breakdowns or Lightfights as Corran calls them in Rouges squadron
This might be one of Michael Stackpole's best novels. He did a really good job setting up the surprise, for both Imperials and the readers. That is also one of my favorite battles. Awesome job explaining everything.
Love the battle breakdowns especially from Legends! Bravo Eck!
Fleet battle
Rebel fleet at Endor vs. Cole’s fleet at Cole’s last stand
Nice to see the battle breakdowns back.
The text battles in Star Wars always feel more epic to me. I think it's because they actually show extensive damage to the ships, while the films generally just have the ships randomly blow up in one go.
Films are limited by the budget; books are limited by the imagination of the authors.
Kell Tainer trying to rescue Admiral Ackbars niece was the pinnacle for me. One of the best scenes in a Star Wars book from an action angle seeing what a determined pilot could do; and an emotional aspect of just how utterly decimating it can be to fail when doing everything right (Picards, legendary, line to Data in TNG).
Thanks for a battle breakdown Eck! :)
Now THIS is my content
12:46 MVP Officer
Who can name all the ships in the representation box for the freighter fleet? I see a few ships from other series and I love it!
He had what looked like a miniature Galactica, the Ebon Hawk, a Frigate from Halo, a Marauder class corvette, a Rendilli Drive yards Dreadnought and the Millennium Falcon. Sos if I missed one.
@@seawind930 Im sure that i see the galaxy gun
So good, glad to see the series back!
Thanks for this. The X-Wing series are my favorite Star Wars books, and among my favorite books of all time. Thanks for visual representations. It makes me very happy.
This was a difficult one to explain and I think you laid it out as well as one could hope for in a short video.
ngl, I don't watch Eckarts stuff too often anymore and the intro being "Hey guys this is Justin" threw me for a loop for a second.
Yes, I love these Legends battle breakdowns!
YOOOO! AT 6:00 There's the Battlestar Galactica and a UNSC Frigate 😂 😂!
Nice one mate
Hey ecks I just wanted to say great job your battle breakdowns they are amazing keep up the great work!!!
What a great breakdown! This is awesome content. I wish we could have witnessed this battle in live-action
Fleet battle between
Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin
Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.
Is Thrawn in possession of Human Art?
@@allnamesaretakenful I'm pretty sure Thrawn would be able to acquire examples of it relatively easily.
@@allnamesaretakenful it’s a one off battle with neither admiral knowing anything about the other.
I feel like it would only be a matter of how long before the battle devolved into Ender ramming his ships into Thrawn's. That was pretty much his defining genius tactic.
@@scoman91 yeah. OSC couldn't write space battles, idk why. I haven't read more than the next 2 or 3 books but I don't remember him improving in that respect.
This story makes more sense than "The Resistance" in the sequel movies. Or Rogue squadron is doing what the lore of the sequel movies is telling us instead of showing us.
These are literally my favourite videos you make. The breakdowns are so good!
the smile that came on my face when I saw this. A new ecks vid that is a battle breakdown from one of my favorite legends series (I really liked the games and the ships so the series just added on)
5:55 Waaait a minute I see those cameos!
Thanks for another star wars battlebreakdown. I have been missing these
Yes a new Battle Breakdown video it's been along time since you made one.
I hope you keep making alot more in the future.
Yeeeeeey the series is back!! Thank you so much eck
Thanks for that flashback. I ve read the books over 20 years ago, thanks for the refresh
I read this book Wayback when it originally came out, and the battle was very well written. But you my friend brought it to life
Great work man!! Oh and thank you for covering such an amazing battle!
God this video was amazing! It’s been so long since I’ve seen a battle breakdown. I forgot how much I loved them. Thank you so much for listening to us!!! Even if this video doesn’t get many views, I hope you keep posting vids like these
Wow, perfect timing. I actually wanted to write about the Bacta War the other day for Thrawn's Revenge, but didn't even know what it was. Thanks for the help :P
Fantastic video! Can't wait to see how the EckhartsLadder renaissance turns out!
Damn Rouge was even able to secure a Battlestar and a UNSC frigate.
like the indepth breakdowns, keep up the good work eck.
For those who don’t know Pash Cracken is the son of Aiden Cracken who’s essentially the NR head of CIA. He’s an A-wing ace.
He also was briefly a Rogue Squadron member as he wanted to test himself.
Another excellent battle breakdown, fantastic work as always
My favorite kind of content on this channel, thank you Eck!! 👍
Awesome job Eck! Great video!
Yes! Breakdowns are back!
One of the best battles from my favourite series!
@8:50 I didn't know that the Galatica was a part of this mission. Very top group.
I love this style of video, really appeals to my inner strategist.
By far my fav type of content
This is the best video I always knew I always wanted! Your content rocks man keep at it!
I remember grabbing The Bacta War and reading it in the library when I was in college. I also remember being so engrossed in the book that I missed a class!
Excellent, as always.
Rogue Squadron series was my fave after Thrawn Trilogy.
Plenty of ship and starfighter action, awesome characters, and much of the story of how Empire lost Coruscant and Rebels started setting up New Republic for good.
I've got to re-read the Rogue Squadron books now. Thanks!😁
Thanks for another great video Ecks.
Now THIS would make a interesting Star Wars game
Dude this was dope. Please do more rogue squadron stuff
YES! MORE BREAKDOWNS!!!!
Ohh this was one of my favourite battles in Legends. Those Rogue Squadron books were so formative for me!
Long have I waited for battle breakdown to return
Hey I have a question could you do a battle breakdown of the battle of Cato Nimodia
Outgunned, outmanned, with only a risky, incredibly dangerous plan to go with.
Rogue Squadron; "You mean Tuesday?"
Great video I'd love to see more of this type of stuff in a future.
Yes, finally another Battle Breakdown!
You know, it honestly feels less like "Yay, this series is back!", and more like "Ahh, an Eckhart's Ladder video." Like, this is why I'm here.
Great video, and I can't wait for more. Also... why does that group of freighters include a Battlestar and a UNSC frigate? I assume the other ships are from stuff too, but I can't make it out. I think one's the Millennium Falcon..?
I think it's a YT-2400 silhouette, a cousin to the YT-1300.
I love the use of silhouettes from other videos and franchises for the freighter fleet. I see a UNSC frigate, either a UNSC Halcyon or Marathon class, the Galactica, a klingon bird of prey, the Millennium Falcon, possibly a ship from babylon 5? Cool little easter eggs
ive never read too much into legends but my god would it have been awsome to see this on the big screen
Epic as this is, the books only got better after this. The next three books follow Wraith Squadron (a brand new unit developed after lessons learned from this mission made Wedge realize they needed a commando unit that just happened to have X-Wings) and the hunt for another SSD, the Iron Fist. Three books of carefully tracking down and working their way through a former Imperial admiral-turned-warlord's breakaway mini-Empire to get a shot at taking down a SSD actively wrecking havoc across the galaxy (in the book prior to the one this video covers, Iron Fist destroys a flotilla of civilian freighters attempting to bring much-needed bacta to Coruscant which is why it was targeted next. Lusankya had the priority, but Iron Fist was selected as being the next focus once Isard was dealt with).
I remember reading the series very intently. I'd love to read it again
Excellent video Eck
Love these types of videos!
Great battle breakdown!
Hell yeah, battle breakdowns are back! Don't you love democracy? Interesting battle as well.
Separating the torpedo launcher targeting arrays from the launchers and slaving it to the fighter's targeting computers is smart. Using the extra targeting arrays to make the Empress look like it had teeth is inspired. It also means that the proton torpedo is a semi-active homing weapon, the target needs to be lit and locked by the launcher.
Eagerly waiting for your next battle breakdown.
Happy to see that the Galactica participated in the battle of Thyferra! @5:45
Amazing video and very good breakdown, really enjod it! ❤
I missed these so much!
I'm surprised how even the Rogue Squadron captured a mass super star destroyer with a crew hundreds of thousands.
The ship was pounded into submission and surrendered. The Rogues didn't take the ship, Wedge's coalition did.
A couple points:
Return time for the Lusankya was 24hrs, not 12, p280-81 discusses this and that the X wings would arrive 12hrs faster than the Lusankya.
Instead of flying in their cockpits, the X wings embarked the Freedom and arrived with it, *after* the arrival of the Lusankya (p293)
It was 3 squadrons of A-Wings not one (Commander Varth's wing, p11, p337)