How Ackbar used Thrawn's Greatest Tactic at Ciutric IV | Star Wars Battle Breakdown
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On today's Battle Breakdown we cover the Battle of Ciutric IV which saw Admiral Ackbar use the famous Thrawn Pincer against the Imperial Warlod Delak Krennel. All that and more on today's Star Wars Lore video!
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Oi. Commenting on your own video with an alt account (and then pinning with the original) is cheating, I am pretty sure. Not that I disagree with this particular usage... but... its still dangerous territory.
Maybe don't?
HEY!........... YOU ARE THE SAME GUY FROM THE FIRST AND SECOND CHANNEL. AND PINNING WITH YOUR FIRST CHANNEL??? THATS CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For once Ackbar can say, "it's MY TRAP!"
muehehe
Comms officer: “sir we’re receiving a call from Home One.”
Krennel: “Answer it. So Ackbar, calling to surrender are we?”
Ackbar: “What do you call a situation in which people lie in wait to make a surprise attack?”
Krennel: “I’m sorry but what does this have to do with...”
Ackbar: (interrupting) “IT’S A TRAP!” (Victory class ships launch their attack)
*REVERSE PINCER!*
Uno reverse. 🔄
Ackbar was smart and humble... not too proud to learn from his enemies.
Unlike seemingly the majority of imperial officers
If only the Empires procurement department was like that, they would've won - Imperial X-Wings (well the Tie Defender) would've been a game changer.
It's military strategy 101 to learn from and if possible copy the effective strategies _and equipment_ that the enemy employs against you.
They have a better tank/aircraft/gun… copy the design.
He looks like octapus
I know, one of the greatest military leaders in all of Star Wars. Good thing he lived a long a successful career and didn't die because of a single tie fighter attacking a ship with barely and weapons.
@@casbot71 I disagree with your assertion about the X-wing/TIE Defender being a game changer. The only thing the X-wings were arguably better at was survivability, otherwise they were relatively evenly matched in both speed and firepower (the TIEs certainly didn't seem to have trouble keeping up or shooting them down in the Battle of Yavin or Battle of Endor). Slap some shields on them and rework the design so that it can properly land and has tilt wings so that more of them can fit in a hangar, and you'd have the perfect fighter for the Empire. Remember you can't chase someone through hyperspace, so the TIEs really didn't need hyperdrives or the like since they were launched from ISDs anyway.
Ackbar [in canon] also learnt Thrawn's [legends] trick of being killed in a unworthy manner that was contemptuous, just as a prominent battle was occurring…
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casbott except that in legends his death did make sense, and was based in a campaign by NR propagandists on the noghri people
Ackbars was just unbecoming
"the real Isard was still alive, despite being dead"
Then she really died.
Ok
look man legends cannon is... kinda a mess all things considered. really awesome but wholly unorganized
@@nobleman9393 Wedge killed the clone Isard on Ciutric IV, the real Isard was trying to steal Lusankya back and was killed by Iella Wesseri.
Ironically, the same could be said of Palpatine at that exact moment.
I'm starting to see the pattern to Ackbar. First he learns from Tarkin, now Thrawn. He's not the best at innovating new tactics, but he's good at picking other people's stuff up and using it in new ways.
That’s how you become a tactician. You study your peers yet form your own plans
@@TheMaverick454 Exactly. If Thrawn were alive he'd no doubt approve of the use of the tactic and compliment Ackbar on his strategy. Just blindly following protocol is a losing formula, but finding what works (even if it came from the enemy's own tactics) and adapting it to fit your needs is the sign of a great leader.
Like Thrawn himself says:
A great tactician creates plans. A good tactician recognizes the soundness of a plan presented to him. A fair tactician must see the plan succeed before offering approval. Those with no tactical ability at all may never understand or accept it.
I loved this from Isard's Revenge. That Ackbar directly learned from his experiences with Thrawn and then used that knowledge against Krennal was a delight to see.
One note though Eck, Krennal was not aware the attack was coming, he was mobilizing for a raid on Coruscant, which is why he had more forces at his capital at the time Ackbar arrived.
Also wasn't that thanks to the Real Isard leaking something about Ackbar's Fleet moving somewhere?
Get back to work grand Moff
I remember Eck once mentioning that Thrawn wanted Ackbar out of the picture before he began his campaigns in full, I think this is why.
Because Ackbar is wise enough to always pick up new things.
This is the real Admiral Ackbar story after Return of the Jedi! Not the canon one, where he died during the First Order-Resistance intergalactic chase.
This is canon, not that Disney shit.
Sigh. This sort of thing always makes me miss the "Legends" stuff.
@@michaelandreipalon359 so books by legend authors...
@@jacobkarlin2946 Claudia Gray is a great writer, she wrote Lost Stars and I think it's one of the best star wars books ever
This in combination with what Rogue Squadron are doing on the surface makes for one of my favorite moments in the entire X-Wing series.
The Interdictor hijinks in Legends were always glorious, similar with the tractor beam dodging. It just shows how innovative writers were about technology present in story and they gave it new spin to open new venues. You don't have to dismiss old rules set by other sources, but expand on what was already built.
Legends Ackbar was a badass.
One of my favorite admirals
In Canon He Was Still Pretty Good
@@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025 but was killed dumbly.
"Isard betrayed the New Republic". Gee, who could have seen _that_ coming...:P
Is Isard dead? Well yes but actually no
This is one of the reasons why I call him Grand Admiral Ackbar
You do know he actually got that title under the New Republic?
@@dreamingwanderer1124 not really. It was Supreme Commander
@@scarlet_nation001 I thought it was Fleet Admiral?
@@dreamingwanderer1124 nah. He denied that title
You got me into legends
I was born after legends so I never got to know it but your channels have got he into legends and I’m loving it 🥰
Ps loving EAW
Um legends ended in 2015, are you 5???
wait wait born after legends? as in after 2015?
Same here man, I never even new legends exited until Eckhart.
Oh right there still a the rpg game called Old Republic, basically the only game that still continues to feature legends lore from thousands of years before battle of yavin, from then on still the only game that features leagends lore that dtill exist.
I didn't mean it in that way not literally
9:55 mins? Respect
Wow thats rare
Alternate title: Ackbar uses Thrawn's Cute Tricks at Cutric
2:15 “he was still alive, despite being dead”
What did thrawn think about Admiral Ackbar
I don't think they talk about thrawn`s views about specific commanders but someone might know better
Perhaps "A Worthy Adversary"
He wouldn't be humanocentric about it because he wasn't human.…
I think there is a good bit of Thrawn's view on Ackbar at the beginning of the book which opens with the Battle of Bilbringi from the point of view of Corran Horn though that was from a bit of third-person view through that of Corran as he reading the sensor data on what is going with the battle. Also I think there is a bit of Thrawn's Point of View of the battle in both the Last Command novel and that of the Last Command comic where he observes the New Republic Fleet exiting Hyperspace he mentions something about Ackbar during that.
Thrawn actually thought of ackbar as a threat to his campaign, though despite not that much but could actually contend with thrawn in an extent thats, before the campaign thrawn had him sabotage his entire carrer by a massacre, only to be proven innocent in the end of his campaign
The only competent form of resistance. Competent enough to know when and how to run, humble enough to learn from failure.
Eck I’m happy to see you continue to upload during this crazy time it brings me joy to watch you
"It's a trap"
It's *MY TRAP!*
It’s really fun to see you doing battle breakdowns, it’s so immersive.
ah yes, finally.
Ackbar, “Thrawn you magnificent bastard I READ YOUR BOOK!”
The return of battle breakdowns yeeeessss!!!
I'm just a normal guy. Eck uploads a Video, I click.
"eh I mean what else am I meant to do"
Battle breakdowns became a thing right after I started watching this channel. I'm glad to see them back.
So what would happen if... Thrawn and Ackbar were on the same side, co-commanding a pair of fleets with as much communication between the two as is necessary (if not outright putting both of them on the same flagship)?
The empire would be gone in 3 months😂
There's no force in the universe that could stop them
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 You literally underestimate the power of The Force.
love the videos eck, keep it up
I stay up until 2:30 to watch these video's, you are my favourite youtuber
Nice vid, great work!
Just finished rereading Isard's Revenge, such a fantastic series
Wow great video eck. Can’t wait for more
Love this battle, Isard's Revenge is honestly my third favourite X-wing novel.
Let me guess Rogue Squadron and Bacta War are the first and second favorite?
Fun fact, it was my first one. As a kid I loved X-Wings and my dad was feeding my growing love of reading by picking up some Star Wars books for me. He happened across Isard's Revenge, saw it said X-Wing on it and bought it for me. I didn't care that it was book 8, it was awesome all the same. Of course it eventually led me to pick up the rest of the X-Wing series and further fueled my passion for the Star Wars EU, culminating in me basically reading about 95% of everything it had to offer.
Everyone: "im early quick think of something funny"
2:13 "The *real* Isard actually was still alive despite being dead..."
Star Wars Legends in a nutshell lol
Awesome to see another battle breakdown.
Ackbar executed Thrawns strategy really well here.
Keep up the good work 👍
I have been liking all the videos but remembered something...what happened about the big plan of battle of the Dreadnoughts?Its not even being talked about on the channel now!That small animated battle by EC,you and the others was just incredible!I am really hoping to see more news on any new project if possible,it really is a piece this channel NEEDS.
2:13 "The real Isane Ysard was actually still alive despite being dead".............
sorry, say that again?
Hmm... Basically, everyone thought Isard was dead thanks to the ending battle of the Bacta War book. Thanks in part to having someone else piloting the shuttle that everyone thought she was on thanks to the trick of using said shuttle as a relay for her communications with that of the pursuing units of Rogue Squadron. Hence, she was alive but was known to be dead. Eck just should have worded that better I think.
That was brilliant!
Yay, more battle breakdowns
"The real isard was actually still alive, despite being dead"
Excuse me?
People thought she was dead, but she wasn't.
Yes.
Love both. Wish there where alot more Ackbar and Thrawn battles. Besides the books and games.
With this move Ackbar somewhat decreased the enemys advantage of an interdictor cruiser.
#askeck - I’ve had this question for a minute and I was wondering if you could give your thoughts. In Star Wars Rebels Admiral Thrawn conducts an orbital bombardment of the Rebel base, in which we see multiple ISD’s utilizing their main batteries. Now, just a single blast of these turbolaser batteries is very often quoted to have a destructive yield greater than the megaton range in Star Wars circles. And yet, in Star Wars Rebels, we see Kaanan speeding through the bombardment on a speeder bike, and the bombardment appears to be much closer in destructive yield to a conventional artillery barrage. Obviously, if turbolasers were even very conservatively carrying megaton yield effects, one shot would have put Kaanan and a 10 mile radius up in irradiated smoke. So just as a thought experiment, if we took this scene as a canonical example of turbolaser power…how would that prompt us to rethink everything about space combat in Star Wars? Just feel like this is an interesting case study.
th-cam.com/video/ARR0RPrr_rg/w-d-xo.html&t=33
P.S. I'd actually love if you did a whole video analyzing this!
Another similar question from me: In Star Wars Rebels, at the x-wing attack on the lothal blockade we see Hera's fighter getting hit by a blast from one of the Chimaera's main batteries, and all she does is lose shields. WT-BEEEEEEEP!
Never be too proud to learn lessons from your enemies
i love your outtro
Ackbor was The Rebel greatest leaders
I didn't know Ackbar used one of thrawns tactics and used it vary well too thanks for the battle break down
It is not the last time he did so. I believe he used it again in a later battle against the Reborn Emperor. He also used the Pincer again during the Vong War when he was brought out of retirement to help the new Galactic Alliance start to win against the Vong.
#AskEck
The United Earth Alliance Omega Class Destroyer *(Babylon 5)* vs the UNSC Marathon-Class Heavy Cruiser *(Halo).*
Such a creative work around to not having an interdictor! Is it just me or are the tactics used in the Galactic Civil War(mostly Legends Post-Endor) far more clever and cunning then those seen during the days of the Republic, in the Clone Wars for example. Don't get me wrong, there are neat little strategies and tactics used by the Republic and CIS that are really fascinating but nothing quite as unique as the Thrawn Pincer or the Ackbar Slash.
i didn't know what the thrawn pincer was exactly, and this video explained it and goddAMB thrawn was a genius
Wow this is a cool video which i will like and subscribe
This video came out the day after I finished The Last Command, perfect timing.
Hey eck where is the tapcaf transmission about the campaign as I’m interested in checking it out. Thanks!
What do you use for the fleet visuals eck their really awesome
these smaller scale battles are fascinating
Do an updated battle breakdown of exagol
There's a serious flaw in the Interdictor's field. The cone you drew shows that a ship could possibly be pulled out of Hyperspace only to ram into the Interdictor itself.
Sweet, new vid :D
Oh wow, actually landed an AskEck question
Fantastic strategy
dont worry we'll get you to 100k on your other channel Eck!
I think there was a quote from Sun Tzu, but I think it has something to do with “learn from your enemy.”
You know if Thrawn survive until the end of the war, he could make his own art of war book.
It will be called, “Thrawn’s art of war.”
I saw David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson again! Lol what mod is that a part of for Empire at War? What ships do they fly when you spawn them in game?
"Rommel, you magnificent bastard *_I READ YOUR BOOK!"_*
How do you animate your videos in the battle breakdowns?
I was thinking when battle breakdown return
Which program do you use to make videos like this or other battle breakdowns?
now I know why thrawn wanted ackbar out of picture before he began his campaign in legends.
Because he knew ackbar could adapt his strategy and use it against him
I kinda wanna check out AOTR again, I feel like I judged it to quickly, and I just never really got used to the star fighters in that mod. Any suggestions for AOTR specifically?
If I recall correctly, while the Prince Admiral was humanocentric, he was actually welcoming to the idea of having a Quarren fight for him that he believed was eager to spill Mon Calamari blood.
Correct. The Quarren in question is Nrin Vakil a former Rogue Squadron pilot who joined the Rogues as the pilot of a Recon X-Wing and later joins the Rogues in masquerading as the TIE Defender Squadron Requiem. That line is quite ironic since the reason he left Rogue Squadron in the first place was due to the death of Rogue PIlot Ibtisam, a Mon Calamari, who was quite close to Nrin. It was even more ironic in that Ibtisam died on Ciutric IV the last time Rogue Squadron was on the planet and now they were once more on the planet but in the guise of Imperial pilots.
@@robertdrexel2043 My favorite thing about that book however... is that having someone essentially melt from the inside out and make a bloody mess of a party is what Ysanne Isard's personality clone believes is an appropriate greeting.
It’s been almost 3 years since the last Jedi, and I still feel sad when I remember how Rian Johnson killed admiral Akbar
I wonder, what would it have been like if Ackbar was the one that sacrificed himself and not Holdo and he was the one that ended up killing Thrawn, who became the leader of the Final Order in the rise of skywalker? That would have been a memorable death for both of them. Even if the hyperspace thing made no sense when Holdo did it, I feel Ackbar still could have sacrificed himself to take down Thrawn and the fleet in a different way.
Fun question my friend asked me. Do you think a Siren (Like Lilith, Maya, or Amara from Borderlands) could take on a Jedi?
it means
you don't need your own interdictor to use Thrawn pincer
you can use enemy‘s one if you could misguide them to generate a field for you， even you does not notice
or
Thrawn pincer could utilize for capture interdictors， let enemy interdictor pull off your landing ship， which may aim to capture an interdictor or even use hyperspace missiles to let interdictor direct "stab"
what do you use to create these battle break down videos??
What program do you use for these battle maps?
#AskEck Can you make a scenario about what would happen if the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the Milky Way Galaxy from Star Trek?
The books pronounce this planet as 'see-YOO-trick'.
Trawn used enemy gravity shadow field in hes first time.
#AskEck Maybe I ask a question do you think this may maybe this is how new canon work The Empire continues for a year til the battle of Jakku were sprinted into sub factions some of them form the Imperial remanent others became warlords and other became the first order
Just finished that book a month ago. Great read. Second best of the X-wing series.
I like how most popular characters in star wars aren't even human. Ahsoka, Thrawn, and Hera just to name a few.
Whoa.
Great
#AskEck
Since Disney now owns Fox, what do you think they will do with their R-Rated franchises? ignoring the Marvel stuff, Disney now owns Home Alone, Ice Age, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Avatar, Casper the Friendly Ghost, Night at the Museum, Independence Day, and Planet of the Apes, witch are more or less family friendly (i know ID4, Buffy, and Apes aren't, but at least kids can watch them without getting nightmares). These i can see being rebooted or getting fresh talent.
But now they also have Alien, Predator, The Omen, Taken, Die Hard, Wrong Turn, Kingsman, Lake Placid, The Hills Have Eyes, The Fly, and the Exorcist. These are franchises that i doubt Disney knows what to do with. Kingsman, i can kinda sorta see getting a kiddified spinoff like Starship Troopers did with Roughnecks, and Die Hard and Taken could be taken down to PG-13 through reboots, but the others... all the rest are serious hard R-rated franchises- predominately Horror, too- with a lot of gore and scares that would give kids nightmares for weeks on end. What do you think Disney will do with the R-Rated stuff?
How Does He do theese Battle Breakdowns
A welcome surprise
Ackbar: "It's a Trap! But not for me!"
Ackbar in legends and og trilogy: genius! One of the best admirals of the galaxy. Only beaten by thrawn. And humble to learn from his enemy
Ackbar in so called star wars: Gets killed stupidly
#askeck - What's the best Star Wars science explanation of how shielding technology works? How is it possible to shield an entire planet like in Rogue one?
What mod is the gameplay from?
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Speaking of the GaG, why do they just use Espo uniforms? Some sort of clearance sale?
@EckhartsLadder, you badly botched how you described this battle. I've read Isard's Revenge (the novel that features this battle) over a dozen times, and can name of the top of my head three major issues you got wrong (FYI, I double-checked the book before commenting, so I know I'm right here).
1. Like Grand Moff commented below, Krennel didn't know that the New Republic was about to attack Ciutric. He had intelligence indicating they were planning something, but assumed that they were going to lay an ambush for him when he went to strike one of their supply convoys. His assembled fleet was actually meant for a grazing strike on Coruscant, and Ackbar's sudden arrival was just bad luck.
2. 'Binder' was NOT an Interdictor Star Destroyer in the novel, but an Interdictor Cruiser. I know that there's conflicting info, but Michael Stackpole was very clear in describing his 'Binder' as being one of the smaller interdictors. As far as I'm aware, the info claiming that 'Binder" was an Interdictor Star Destroyer came from Star Wars comics, and I've always viewed then as being of lower reliability than the novels when it comes to canonicity.
3. While Ackbar did order a withdrawal once he realized how outgunned his fleet was, it's abundantly clear from the battle's description that things happened so fast that they didn't have time to carry out that order. "Home One" and "Reckoning" are described as firing on each other's BOWS, while Decisive was ordered to roll to PORT to come up and over Emancipator after failing to penetrate the NR ship's PORT shields, with the Emancipator responding by having its PORT guns fire on the PORT shields of Decisive. The only way this description works is if the two fleets were bow-on towards each other, not Krennel chasing down Ackbar as you've depicted.
Go ahead and double-check the book. It's the beginning of Chapter 35, page 300 in my copy.
Battle of the Dreadnoughts sequel?!