Awesome Video! How do you actually do that Hop? straighten both legs or pushing more from the Tail? giving max effort or just a bit? And for Step 1 you sending the kite just with medium Speed?
It's a small push off the water, followed by lifting the legs and thus lifting the board out of the water. For step 1, I'm sending it with medium speed. Not fast yet. Good question!
Get High with Mike - Advanced Kitesurf Coaching when you say small push, is that through both feet or rear foot only, also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible ? Ps when are you in tarifa this year ?
@@vikingh3008 "also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible " I would like to know this too
@@raphaelvvidal Good question. It seems to me that if you did not lean back hard (jump upwind - away from the kite) you would inevitably drift downwind and cancel out the benefit of the whole sequence.
Do you know about that Push-sequence to making the kite flying faster to 12 o´clock? Anton Chernyshov is talking a lot about it at this learning to fly Video. What do you think about this technic? Do you also try it or do it sometimes?
Ok a boring professional engineer kiteboarder here. I like the "energy in the system approach". The main energy storage comes from our body's momentum as that is where the mass is (especially after the off season). If we ride twice as fast the energy increases by 4 times. We want edging and line tension only to increase our speed right until we send it. At this point we use hard edging and pop to convert forward energy into vertical acceleration, airflow over the kite plays its part during the transition as it helps convert forward speed to lift and that too is squared relationship to speed. After liftoff we now rely on airflow over our almost static kite to add more energy to the system. If we edge too hard too early we dont build enough energy to be converted by our kite and pop.
Very cool video and informative. But I am not so convinced about the physics behind. It might seem like a good idea to "use gravity" to dig the edge deeper. But I am not convinced how is that going to happen if at the same time you are lifting the kite up, which takes your weight off the board. Also, as you get air you lose speed (same in kiting, skiing, car racing, you name it), and you are actually bound to go a little downwind as you do your little hop, hence actually reduce the line tension. My intuition would be that you would build more tension in the lines and more kite speed from staing on your edge
You have to talk about loosing your edge downwind for a moment with your friend Anton....next video proper stance please (powered up stance in advakite). 🤙🤙🤙 keep on rocking it !
I wouldn’t say that short answer is gravity. The short answer is momentum. After the peak of your pop your body starts going down with some speed. Speed*weight= momentum. This momentum resists the pull of your kite while you’re sending it to 12. Normally, with such fast sending, kite would pull you out of your edge. Your down momentum prevents you from loosing your edge for like a second.
Today I did it, my first day taking off like a pro! Its not easy because your body has to memorize the movements and feel the precision. Thanks Mike, great job!
Hi Mike, great video as usual! 1- How hard upwind should you be riding during the approach, before the preload (upwind vs. speed)? 2- When are we getting the edging video you talked about? 😁
For me, it feels like I get more Power at the take-off when I steer it a bit over 12 o´clock. But may your right cause, whats brings a bit more Power when it wrong directed?! Bur your buddy Anton Chernyshov said, that C and C-Hybrid Kites can be jumped a bit later than 12 o`clock.
Having just recently finished Antons videos, and stewing over why so many advanced riders do the pre-load, I decided it must be happening just after his first “push”. Your video confirms it all!! Thanks for making this, super informative and well done as usual 🤙🏼
Hi Mike, this is one of my first comments in a TH-cam Video and I think your tutorial deserve a comment! Your Video was perfect with perfect content! I really like your theoretical stuffs in your videos. Also your Heli loop / Down Loop Video was awesome and also your last video how to jump with waves als kicker. I was always looking for a video like yours and I'll check your page and your next kite clinic.
YEWWW FIRST COMMENT EVERR!!!! Thanks so much for this Ali. I'll keep putting out videos and looking forward to having you in a clinic some day! NYEOWWW :D
The timing is really everything. It's tough. I either look pro or like a total kook when practicing this! Hope you cruise to San Diego some time. Be awesome to see you boosting in person🤙🤘
Wow great video mike! Do you have any extra tipps how not to backstall the kite too much before taking off which is caused often from too fast steering and results a far but not very high jump. Kind regards Bruno
Sure! Backstalling is caused by back lines being too short relative to front lines. From a physics perspective, it occurs when drag > lift. This can be caused by 1) incorrect trim 2) sheeting in the bar too much So 1) watch +Steven Akkersdijk video on how to trim correctly and 2) if your kite is backstalling, let the bar out slightly on take off, or increase air flowing over the kite by riding in a manner that creates more induced wind (ride fast, with the kite low, on edge) Hope this helps! :D
Hi Mike, I normally really like your video's but this comparison to the catapult does not add anything but confusion for me. Even though you added in the "disclaimer" I don't understand the benefit of using this analogy. Perhaps a more theoretical explanation of how/in what form the potential energy is stored (instead of a rubber band) would be better. Still a thumbs up looking forward to practice preload pop!
Loosing edge and going slightly down wind will cause minor downwind drifting of your kite, when that happens it cancels a lot of the apparent wind at the surface of the kite because the surface briefly travels in same direction as the wind. Now think about the lift formula. It’s easy to loose a lot of that lift when we get closer to our kite. That’s what he showed with the slingshot. And we often don’t feel it as something that bad, sometimes it’s more comfortable when wind pulls us slightly down wind before the take off. On the other hand holding your edge allows us to gain speed, build up that lift and hold that power. In that state you will experience the need for a lot of resistance. All that is more visible in strong wind when potential to jump high means wrestling physically with your kite. Pre load hop can aid the struggle
there isn't much potential energy "stored in the system", it's just the energy resulting from your and kite's moving mass. That alone could take you maybe a meter or two off the water but you would need a ramp/kicker. Most of the energy that can lift you up comes from the apparent wind, so it's all about maintaining maximum airflow speed around the airfoil. Losing edge and going downwind doesn't "lose potential energy", it just reduces the apparent wind.
@@kryszczuk I think the "potential energy" comes from the ∆v between the actual wind speed and your body's speed. (Vectors taken into account). As soon as you have "used up" all this potential energy (and you end up moving the same direction and speed as the wind) the kite will not be pulling you up anymore, and (assuming horizontal winds) it is impossible to go higher at that point. That's why the pop is so important - to give your body speed in the opposite direction of the wind speed. (Increasing the ∆v, which as pointed out in the video results in (∆v)² increased potential energy.
@@Arealish I don't think so. Your speed vector defines the angle of attack of the aerofoil, and the angle of attack and the shape of the aerofoil defines the aerodynamic lift (which is ridiculously complex, and I don't want to even pretend to fully understand it - physicists don't either, btw). aerodynamic lift propels yiou though the water, and you accelerate changing (increasong) the apparent wind. At some point the board friction and aerodynamic drag of your body, lines and kite will grow to the point where you stop accelerating. At this point there's only as much kinetic energy as defined by your/kite's mass and speed. As you send the kite you reditect the lift, but your kinetic energy is what it is, and that is not reduced by going downwind until friction and drag eats up that energy. But if you go downwind you will instantenously reduce the apparent wind, hence reducing the lift. But the lift isn't magically "stored" somewhere. There's litterally none stored, the only energy "stored" is your kinetic energy (not "potential" energy, which is only there if you are Nick Jacobson and you jump off a Dubai hotel)
@@kryszczuk I understand what you explain. Although what your are writing is correct, you do not take the same "frame of reference" into account as I do. My frame of reference is: - moving with the wind = no speed - and speeds are then measured as ∆v between "following the wind". In this frame of reference standing still has potential energy, because your body is moving compared to the frame of reference (so potential energy). Board speed measured across lands can then be added up to this first speed (adding speed vectors) to account for the increase in potential energy. Your frame of reference: Standing still has no potential energy, and you only account for the potential energy measured in "land speed". I hope this helps understand what I said in my previous comment. (Even though some engineering background terms are used). Edit: I do not take the speed of the kite into account as the weight is negligible.
Awesome video Mike. I'm having a hard time doing high inverted frontrolls like the one you did at 7:09, I end up doing a involuntary down loop way to early, I basicly have a hard time keeping the kite in control. Do you have any tips? Thanks
I've heard various people arguing for and against the idea that line tension/stretch stores energy to lift you higher; the physics is pretty simple, and the answer is no, it doesn't: Combining the equations for energy stored in a spring and gravitational potential energy, it's easy to arrive at a useful relation: the ratio between the extra height you can get out of the stored energy and the amount of line stretch is equal to one-half of the ratio between the line tension and your body weight. If the force of line tension is 6 times your body weight, then 10 cm of line stretch stores enough energy to lift you at most an extra 30 cm. If it's clearer like this: (extra height)/(line stretch distance) = 1/2 x (line tension)/(body weight). Somebody (the people who engineer our kites, probably) could explain it more fully, but I expect that preload pop's biggest advantage is helping with a fast upwind takeoff. The pop lets you turn a bit of upwind distance into a boost of extra speed without the drag from having your board in the water, and once you land you can quickly redirect your speed into the wind for takeoff ("quickly redirect" is key, since it reduces how much water drag and riding upwind can slow you down, which is probably why preload pop is hard). That DOES store a lot of energy; in 30 kts of wind, riding 30 kts 30 degrees upwind of crosswind, you have enough kinetic energy to beat 36 m of gravity, and an extra 3 kts takeoff speed gives an extra 6 m height. (Disclaimer: I am a physics grad student and a half-decent kiter. I have never done a preload pop or a 10 m jump. The math done in this comment is very simplistic, but "probably" gives a good comparison of spring and kinetic energy in big air.)
Awesome vid! You know I`m practicing. One thing I`m trying to figure out is what kite size to what wind is optimal for creating enough speed and power. Is it just pushing the biggest kite to wind that I can keep on edge considering having a good sweetspot? I make notes of my sessions to check what is the most opt size, because winds vary a lot. And I kite from 8 to 45ish knts with kites from 5 to 19meters and every one needs a bit different timing. Most days are 14 to 24 knts . Tips much appreciated. Soon I`ll have the board mount to really get going 🤘
Looking to get into Kitesurfing, I currently live in NAPLES FL, and I am looking for a nice place / School to learn how to Kitesurf. any ideas, thanks. GREAT VIDEO, PROPS. \
Super cool, but Mike can you explain , how exactly - I mean , speed ,edge ,sending kite than take off , where you exactly take off , first sending kite ? then edging hard ? or first edging, then sending kite , I have some problems and Can not figure it out to go over 10m even when I am overpowered, I know it is timing but I am trying all this stuff over 5 years , and still I am in deep shit 😁 if you can make movie with exactly when you are doing what , just step by step, with bar ,board and kite
think of the pop as the jumping or strokes a long jumper jumper takes before the big one, its kind of like bending your knees before loading the spring, jumping from speed and using even the tinest of kickers is imo the best way to develop jumping more than sending it and sheeting in etc, you fly more straigh than up and it is predictable, sending it well requires more training, i think people learn to jump quicker off kickers loaded, then theprogression to loops is easier because you are higher, flat water high jumps need more tension, usually bigger kites
Flippin sick video! Great content - I'm going to practice this and sign up to the location guide. Some constructive feedback : I loved the content but found the background music very distracting/annoying while you were explaining things. But that could just be me. Keep up the good work!
No, no, no. Gravity is always the same while you are on the surface of the earth. It is all about the momentum of your body falling down after the hop.
Mike - your video is just amazing and delivers super valuable tips. Breaking down the process really helps. Thanks a lot bro!!!! See you up in the air 🤙
Brilliant teaching skills. I also do trainings but in business law area. So I really know how much work it takes to do such kind of video. One of the best kite teching video series I ever seen.
Destination guide is Much needed in the kite industry. Ive spend countless hours trying to find New places to kite. Also, perfect video, can’t wait to practice! Thanks for putting these out mike!!
This is a perfect explanation ! My only nitpick would be that replacing the word "energy" by "force" or "pull" throughout the whole video would be more correct from a physics standpoint, and also more understandable for beginners. Took me a few viewings to finally understand this 🤘
Gravity is same whether you preload or not. However preload gives your body (mainly legs) an advantage to push kiteboard harder into the water. It is same as what everyone does when trying to jump straight up: before starting upwards movement you should first go a bit downwards to preload (or actually to release tension of your leg muscles). Athletes often measure jump heights with and without preload. Jumping without preload is actually pretty difficult and it makes your result considerably worse. Another advantage of preload in kitesurfing is that when you do it you release some tension in lines and position of kite in WW moves backwards. This gives it a bit more room to surge forward when final hard edging follows which makes speed and lift of the kite bigger. You definitely go a bit downwind when doing preload jump but of course you can't do that too much. So preload jump must be low and fast.
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Hey! Im 180cm and 96kg, my record jump is 12,5 i have been trying to advance my jumping skill, been takingi it seriously, feels like im running against wall. I also got advice from good level kiters. What do you think, might maybe my weight be the problem?
Cyprus........... was a hotspot for windsurfing in the 90s and now goes off for kiting, wind from about 11am its awesome 10 and a half months a year....... peace
Hey Mike, your buddy Anton is telling in his videos that hopping and letting the edge go before the jump is nonsense cause you loose to much tension in the lines. Why do you think it's useful? Nonetheless, great video and a nice way of explaining!
Kites which flies completely at the edge of window, have a bigger AoA change when pulling the bar, so bigger ratio between minimum power and maximum power. It enables to hold the edge better or fly larger size. A fast steering kite it creates an more instantaneous boost at take off, which can be better timed. I think the kite itself is very important, and you can see that actually the faster kites with a good depower are the better jumping kites, the more grunty wakestyle oldscool kites jump less high. I find i jump more consistent (better timing) with my briddle setting to depower, kite more to the edge of the window. (on my kite it is called the Wave setting......) downside of this, it gives a less reliable hang/float and a correct bar position inflight is more tricky as, once up it will more tend to drop you as a rock........
I love how you took the time to explain that the lines aren’t elastic, but everything you said was so complex that the people that would’ve thought that the lines are elastic wouldn’t have a fucking clue what you were saying trying to explain the energy system 🤣
After the hop when you land are you aiming to stop the board completely? Or drive upwind a little? Or carry on in the same direction as you were pre-hop? I was wondering what take off speed was best?
Thanks bro, it s very comprehensive tutorial !!!! Just wanna add that as for me the hardest part is to stay upwind while you hopping. And the only way to achieve it is to have a very strong core! With the weak core and especially with the fat belly shoulders lean forward initially, no way you can stay upwind !
Very nice video! Just wondering whether a vertical hair cut, pointing directly at the sky is an essential part of going big, or can we consider it as something extra?
Awesome Video!
How do you actually do that Hop? straighten both legs or pushing more from the Tail? giving max effort or just a bit? And for Step 1 you sending the kite just with medium Speed?
It's a small push off the water, followed by lifting the legs and thus lifting the board out of the water. For step 1, I'm sending it with medium speed. Not fast yet. Good question!
Get High with Mike - Advanced Kitesurf Coaching when you say small push, is that through both feet or rear foot only, also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible ? Ps when are you in tarifa this year ?
@@vikingh3008 "also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible " I would like to know this too
@@raphaelvvidal Good question. It seems to me that if you did not lean back hard (jump upwind - away from the kite) you would inevitably drift downwind and cancel out the benefit of the whole sequence.
You started something here. In few years you will see the first elastic lines for Red Bull Big Air :D
Do you know about that Push-sequence to making the kite flying faster to 12 o´clock? Anton Chernyshov is talking a lot about it at this learning to fly Video. What do you think about this technic? Do you also try it or do it sometimes?
Watch anton’s new video on how to jump in waves, it’s basically same as explained in this video with a pre load pop
Mike, congrats on delivering the best explanation on jump theory I've ever heard. NYEW!
totally!!
if it only were correct:)
Thanks so much Alexandru! :D NYEWWWW!
Thank you!! I tend to slow down too much when I carve up wind.. Any tips on how to avoid this?
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Holy shit this tutorial is insanely good wtf it's like every other TH-cam tutorial is trying to hide the secrets of big air mastery.
Hahaha thanks bru!
Ok a boring professional engineer kiteboarder here. I like the "energy in the system approach". The main energy storage comes from our body's momentum as that is where the mass is (especially after the off season). If we ride twice as fast the energy increases by 4 times. We want edging and line tension only to increase our speed right until we send it. At this point we use hard edging and pop to convert forward energy into vertical acceleration, airflow over the kite plays its part during the transition as it helps convert forward speed to lift and that too is squared relationship to speed. After liftoff we now rely on airflow over our almost static kite to add more energy to the system. If we edge too hard too early we dont build enough energy to be converted by our kite and pop.
Solid!
Very cool video and informative. But I am not so convinced about the physics behind. It might seem like a good idea to "use gravity" to dig the edge deeper. But I am not convinced how is that going to happen if at the same time you are lifting the kite up, which takes your weight off the board. Also, as you get air you lose speed (same in kiting, skiing, car racing, you name it), and you are actually bound to go a little downwind as you do your little hop, hence actually reduce the line tension. My intuition would be that you would build more tension in the lines and more kite speed from staing on your edge
Nice work, bro! Well done! Actual topic, I see a lot of people enjoying this vid. Sick!)
Thanks so much brother! I really appreciate it, coming from the boss! :D
As another famous master of boosting. Do you agree with this technique? :D
You have to talk about loosing your edge downwind for a moment with your friend Anton....next video proper stance please (powered up stance in advakite). 🤙🤙🤙 keep on rocking it !
Thanks Braulio! Yeah, riding stance is a big one! It's on the list. Thanks for watching!
I wouldn’t say that short answer is gravity. The short answer is momentum. After the peak of your pop your body starts going down with some speed. Speed*weight= momentum. This momentum resists the pull of your kite while you’re sending it to 12. Normally, with such fast sending, kite would pull you out of your edge. Your down momentum prevents you from loosing your edge for like a second.
Today I did it, my first day taking off like a pro! Its not easy because your body has to memorize the movements and feel the precision. Thanks Mike, great job!
Why the fuck is everyone hoping around like a fucking rabbits 😂
You mentioned something about another whole video talking about edging. Where is that?
Hi Mike, great video as usual!
1- How hard upwind should you be riding during the approach, before the preload (upwind vs. speed)?
2- When are we getting the edging video you talked about? 😁
dropping some serious knowledge bombs here bro! thank you for taking the time to explain this in such detail
Thanks for helping make this all possible brother!
For me, it feels like I get more Power at the take-off when I steer it a bit over 12 o´clock. But may your right cause, whats brings a bit more Power when it wrong directed?! Bur your buddy Anton Chernyshov said, that C and C-Hybrid Kites can be jumped a bit later than 12 o`clock.
BY FAR the best youtube channel for advanced techniques! Please keep the uploads coming...
Having just recently finished Antons videos, and stewing over why so many advanced riders do the pre-load, I decided it must be happening just after his first “push”.
Your video confirms it all!!
Thanks for making this, super informative and well done as usual 🤙🏼
Hi Mike, this is one of my first comments in a TH-cam Video and I think your tutorial deserve a comment! Your Video was perfect with perfect content! I really like your theoretical stuffs in your videos. Also your Heli loop / Down Loop Video was awesome and also your last video how to jump with waves als kicker. I was always looking for a video like yours and I'll check your page and your next kite clinic.
YEWWW FIRST COMMENT EVERR!!!! Thanks so much for this Ali. I'll keep putting out videos and looking forward to having you in a clinic some day! NYEOWWW :D
Hey - is this supposed to work with big kites? I can see it working for 9m and less, but what about light wind on a 12 or 14?
Yeah absolutely, we do the preload pop on all sizes! My biggest kite is a 13.5 and I do it on that
The timing is really everything. It's tough. I either look pro or like a total kook when practicing this! Hope you cruise to San Diego some time. Be awesome to see you boosting in person🤙🤘
Yeah all about that timing! Likely be there within the next 2 months actually
Wow great video mike! Do you have any extra tipps how not to backstall the kite too much before taking off which is caused often from too fast steering and results a far but not very high jump. Kind regards Bruno
Sure! Backstalling is caused by back lines being too short relative to front lines.
From a physics perspective, it occurs when drag > lift.
This can be caused by
1) incorrect trim
2) sheeting in the bar too much
So 1) watch +Steven Akkersdijk video on how to trim correctly and
2) if your kite is backstalling, let the bar out slightly on take off, or increase air flowing over the kite by riding in a manner that creates more induced wind (ride fast, with the kite low, on edge)
Hope this helps! :D
@@gethighwithmike thank you very much for your answer🤙🤙
You said you would cover edging in another video. Where is that video?
coming very soon actually!
Hi Mike, I normally really like your video's but this comparison to the catapult does not add anything but confusion for me. Even though you added in the "disclaimer" I don't understand the benefit of using this analogy.
Perhaps a more theoretical explanation of how/in what form the potential energy is stored (instead of a rubber band) would be better.
Still a thumbs up looking forward to practice preload pop!
Loosing edge and going slightly down wind will cause minor downwind drifting of your kite, when that happens it cancels a lot of the apparent wind at the surface of the kite because the surface briefly travels in same direction as the wind. Now think about the lift formula. It’s easy to loose a lot of that lift when we get closer to our kite. That’s what he showed with the slingshot. And we often don’t feel it as something that bad, sometimes it’s more comfortable when wind pulls us slightly down wind before the take off. On the other hand holding your edge allows us to gain speed, build up that lift and hold that power. In that state you will experience the need for a lot of resistance. All that is more visible in strong wind when potential to jump high means wrestling physically with your kite. Pre load hop can aid the struggle
there isn't much potential energy "stored in the system", it's just the energy resulting from your and kite's moving mass. That alone could take you maybe a meter or two off the water but you would need a ramp/kicker. Most of the energy that can lift you up comes from the apparent wind, so it's all about maintaining maximum airflow speed around the airfoil. Losing edge and going downwind doesn't "lose potential energy", it just reduces the apparent wind.
@@kryszczuk
I think the "potential energy" comes from the ∆v between the actual wind speed and your body's speed. (Vectors taken into account).
As soon as you have "used up" all this potential energy (and you end up moving the same direction and speed as the wind) the kite will not be pulling you up anymore, and (assuming horizontal winds) it is impossible to go higher at that point.
That's why the pop is so important - to give your body speed in the opposite direction of the wind speed. (Increasing the ∆v, which as pointed out in the video results in (∆v)² increased potential energy.
@@Arealish I don't think so. Your speed vector defines the angle of attack of the aerofoil, and the angle of attack and the shape of the aerofoil defines the aerodynamic lift (which is ridiculously complex, and I don't want to even pretend to fully understand it - physicists don't either, btw). aerodynamic lift propels yiou though the water, and you accelerate changing (increasong) the apparent wind. At some point the board friction and aerodynamic drag of your body, lines and kite will grow to the point where you stop accelerating. At this point there's only as much kinetic energy as defined by your/kite's mass and speed. As you send the kite you reditect the lift, but your kinetic energy is what it is, and that is not reduced by going downwind until friction and drag eats up that energy. But if you go downwind you will instantenously reduce the apparent wind, hence reducing the lift. But the lift isn't magically "stored" somewhere. There's litterally none stored, the only energy "stored" is your kinetic energy (not "potential" energy, which is only there if you are Nick Jacobson and you jump off a Dubai hotel)
@@kryszczuk
I understand what you explain.
Although what your are writing is correct, you do not take the same "frame of reference" into account as I do.
My frame of reference is:
- moving with the wind = no speed
- and speeds are then measured as ∆v between "following the wind".
In this frame of reference standing still has potential energy, because your body is moving compared to the frame of reference (so potential energy).
Board speed measured across lands can then be added up to this first speed (adding speed vectors) to account for the increase in potential energy.
Your frame of reference:
Standing still has no potential energy, and you only account for the potential energy measured in "land speed".
I hope this helps understand what I said in my previous comment. (Even though some engineering background terms are used).
Edit: I do not take the speed of the kite into account as the weight is negligible.
Most probably one of the best kitecontent videos, information- as editingwise, I have ever seen on TH-cam! Congrats and thank you dude!
Thank you so much Dany! :D I really appreciate it!!!
Awesome video Mike. I'm having a hard time doing high inverted frontrolls like the one you did at 7:09, I end up doing a involuntary down loop way to early, I basicly have a hard time keeping the kite in control. Do you have any tips? Thanks
Why the f*ck is everyone jumping around like f*cking rabits 😂😂
Sweet video mate, like it.
😂 Thanks bro! I'm glad you enjoyed it
I need a video to help me survive big crashes. I will use this info tomorrow, cheers
So many years jumping, I've never successfully done a pre-pop better than a jump without pre-pop.
Now I'm determined to try it until I fly it!
Send it bruddaaah!
this video is amazing - love how you explain it! Maybe I can finally break the 7-8m barrier...
Proper instructions bro!! 🔥
Thanks so much brother!
Probably the best high jump tutorial i've ever seen.
Thanks Mike
I've heard various people arguing for and against the idea that line tension/stretch stores energy to lift you higher; the physics is pretty simple, and the answer is no, it doesn't:
Combining the equations for energy stored in a spring and gravitational potential energy, it's easy to arrive at a useful relation: the ratio between the extra height you can get out of the stored energy and the amount of line stretch is equal to one-half of the ratio between the line tension and your body weight. If the force of line tension is 6 times your body weight, then 10 cm of line stretch stores enough energy to lift you at most an extra 30 cm. If it's clearer like this: (extra height)/(line stretch distance) = 1/2 x (line tension)/(body weight).
Somebody (the people who engineer our kites, probably) could explain it more fully, but I expect that preload pop's biggest advantage is helping with a fast upwind takeoff. The pop lets you turn a bit of upwind distance into a boost of extra speed without the drag from having your board in the water, and once you land you can quickly redirect your speed into the wind for takeoff ("quickly redirect" is key, since it reduces how much water drag and riding upwind can slow you down, which is probably why preload pop is hard). That DOES store a lot of energy; in 30 kts of wind, riding 30 kts 30 degrees upwind of crosswind, you have enough kinetic energy to beat 36 m of gravity, and an extra 3 kts takeoff speed gives an extra 6 m height.
(Disclaimer: I am a physics grad student and a half-decent kiter. I have never done a preload pop or a 10 m jump. The math done in this comment is very simplistic, but "probably" gives a good comparison of spring and kinetic energy in big air.)
Awesome vid! You know I`m practicing. One thing I`m trying to figure out is what kite size to what wind is optimal for creating enough speed and power. Is it just pushing the biggest kite to wind that I can keep on edge considering having a good sweetspot? I make notes of my sessions to check what is the most opt size, because winds vary a lot. And I kite from 8 to 45ish knts with kites from 5 to 19meters and every one needs a bit different timing. Most days are 14 to 24 knts . Tips much appreciated. Soon I`ll have the board mount to really get going 🤘
Looking to get into Kitesurfing, I currently live in NAPLES FL, and I am looking for a nice place / School to learn how to Kitesurf. any ideas, thanks. GREAT VIDEO, PROPS.
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Congratulations Mike for this vidéo ☀️😃 are you sometime in France ? and what IS thé brand of thé box phone please ?
Hervé et Annabella.
You said you will do a video on edging. What video is this?
It's coming in a few weeks 🤘 waaay behind on videos. Sorry!
Super cool, but Mike can you explain , how exactly - I mean , speed ,edge ,sending kite than take off , where you exactly take off , first sending kite ? then edging hard ? or first edging, then sending kite , I have some problems and Can not figure it out to go over 10m even when I am overpowered, I know it is timing but I am trying all this stuff over 5 years , and still I am in deep shit 😁 if you can make movie with exactly when you are doing what , just step by step, with bar ,board and kite
Hi Mike. What is your sailing angle to the wind, just before pop and preload .. 90”, 45” or somewhere in between?
Cool Awesome Perfect very Thanks this clip sure on the this world for jump kite
think of the pop as the jumping or strokes a long jumper jumper takes before the big one, its kind of like bending your knees before loading the spring, jumping from speed and using even the tinest of kickers is imo the best way to develop jumping more than sending it and sheeting in etc, you fly more straigh than up and it is predictable, sending it well requires more training, i think people learn to jump quicker off kickers loaded, then theprogression to loops is easier because you are higher, flat water high jumps need more tension, usually bigger kites
Flippin sick video! Great content - I'm going to practice this and sign up to the location guide.
Some constructive feedback : I loved the content but found the background music very distracting/annoying while you were explaining things. But that could just be me.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks Garrick! I appreciate the constructive feedback. Pressure makes diamonds!
@@gethighwithmike keep it up! I see a huge market in big air specific coaching/ tutorials and fitness for you 👍
No, no, no. Gravity is always the same while you are on the surface of the earth. It is all about the momentum of your body falling down after the hop.
Mike - your video is just amazing and delivers super valuable tips. Breaking down the process really helps. Thanks a lot bro!!!! See you up in the air 🤙
Thanks so much bru! Can't wait to be back in the air!!! NYEOWWWW
Excellent video Mike! Thanks for putting in the time and for sharing your knowledge!!
Thanks so much for watching! :D NYEOWWW
Instant like for the time codes.
great video. the merch looks good but as long as I am not really able to jump it is to emberassing to wear it :)
Thanks for this amazing video. I will practice :))
Congrats Mike, loving your how to's, going to try this today......starting in small steps :)
Thanks Warren! Let me know how it goes!
Wow what a feeling. Floating over the waves. You gave me the missing piece. Parking to the opposite side and wider arc. Thanks Mike.
Brilliant teaching skills. I also do trainings but in business law area. So I really know how much work it takes to do such kind of video. One of the best kite teching video series I ever seen.
When wind is picking up again overhere in Holland this is definitely the first thing I will try. Thanks allot again!
Thanks for watching my bru! Please come back here and comment how it went. Nyeowww!
great video! some tip for choppy water?😀 #riodelaplata
Only go as fast as you can handle. Speed is only your friend if you are in control 😛
😈 yeah!
Amazing explanation. Thanks for the equation of lift
These tutorials are on a whole new level 💪
Haha thanks so much! :D
Man!! u r doing such a great job of this not to mention fuckin killing jumping high. Keep it up and thanks so much.
Haha thanks so much Sean! I try my hardest :D
Destination guide is Much needed in the kite industry. Ive spend countless hours trying to find New places to kite.
Also, perfect video, can’t wait to practice!
Thanks for putting these out mike!!
Thanks so much Rich! Can't wait to launch the guide and visit a destination with you bro!
Wow so good. That is a really good explanation. Love your videos!!!
Awesome video man! Only missed the: NEEEOOOWWWWW 😃😃😃
NYEOWWW :D
Excellent. I really like the link to the physics.
Thanks so much Jamie! :D
Good work mate! Did you get to the edging tutorial dude? 🍻
This is a perfect explanation !
My only nitpick would be that replacing the word "energy" by "force" or "pull" throughout the whole video would be more correct from a physics standpoint, and also more understandable for beginners. Took me a few viewings to finally understand this 🤘
This was an awesome video Mike. Keep it coming. Still hoping to attend one of those kite clinics with you one day!
Thanks Ralph! I hope so too :D
This music has Witcher 3 vibes 😀! Nice vid mate!
Thanks I was just looking for tutorial on how to do this. My attempts at it have been not very fruitful.
Epic! Let me know how the future attempts go :D
Gravity is same whether you preload or not. However preload gives your body (mainly legs) an advantage to push kiteboard harder into the water. It is same as what everyone does when trying to jump straight up: before starting upwards movement you should first go a bit downwards to preload (or actually to release tension of your leg muscles).
Athletes often measure jump heights with and without preload. Jumping without preload is actually pretty difficult and it makes your result considerably worse.
Another advantage of preload in kitesurfing is that when you do it you release some tension in lines and position of kite in WW moves backwards. This gives it a bit more room to surge forward when final hard edging follows which makes speed and lift of the kite bigger.
You definitely go a bit downwind when doing preload jump but of course you can't do that too much. So preload jump must be low and fast.
Great video
thanks cant wait to jump Higher !! I want to go to costa Rico to kite for high winds and Thialand for the culture and experience !! thanks again PO Box 1641 wailuku Hi 96793 can you still get a T shirt please.
Love your Flat/home…. where is this ?
Thanks i love your video .
Really healpfull
Hey! Im 180cm and 96kg, my record jump is 12,5 i have been trying to advance my jumping skill, been takingi it seriously, feels like im running against wall. I also got advice from good level kiters. What do you think, might maybe my weight be the problem?
Sick video - pro tip: Its called "apparent wind" and not induced wind".
Actually apparent wind is the sum of induced and true wind :) www.tantrumkitesurf.com/apparent-wind-acdy/
Cyprus........... was a hotspot for windsurfing in the 90s and now goes off for kiting, wind from about 11am its awesome 10 and a half months a year....... peace
Awesome video, reconciling theory with what happens on the water! Well done 😘😘
Muchas gracias guapa! :-*
Wow, this video is mind-blowing. Wasn't thinking about line tension before this! Stupid me..... Time to go NYEeeeW!!
Fucking sick! I would always wonder why you jumped about like an overpowered little bunny. ;) Going to try this next time.
Hi Mike!
IMO the little hop before the main jump causes loss of power.
Why is the hop better than holding the edge until you take off?
Legend bro, congratz with your 6k subribers 👍
Thanks so much bro! :D
Awesome video !👌
Looking forward to the next one about edging 🤙
Thanks Emmanuel! :D
what about landing these huge jumps
Mike, the video is awesome! Thank you for the know how and perfect explanation! 🤙
Thanks so much for sharing your feedback :D
Hey Mike,
your buddy Anton is telling in his videos that hopping and letting the edge go before the jump is nonsense cause you loose to much tension in the lines. Why do you think it's useful?
Nonetheless, great video and a nice way of explaining!
Kites which flies completely at the edge of window, have a bigger AoA change when pulling the bar, so bigger ratio between minimum power and maximum power. It enables to hold the edge better or fly larger size. A fast steering kite it creates an more instantaneous boost at take off, which can be better timed. I think the kite itself is very important, and you can see that actually the faster kites with a good depower are the better jumping kites, the more grunty wakestyle oldscool kites jump less high. I find i jump more consistent (better timing) with my briddle setting to depower, kite more to the edge of the window. (on my kite it is called the Wave setting......) downside of this, it gives a less reliable hang/float and a correct bar position inflight is more tricky as, once up it will more tend to drop you as a rock........
Hi mike, how do you have the flanges and cit configuration,
wave allround freestyle?
and those of the tips? standard? for big air
Great theory. Even if you’re not doing the pop but want to progress your jumping in general: Check out this video! All you need.
awesome vid! Thanks for these tips
Awesome video ! Lookin forward to trying this !! thanks Mike
Yewww please come back and comment how it goes :D
Are you the Dr. Brian Cox of kitesurfing? Taking all these complex ideas and actually explaining them to us mortals? Thanks, lad, thanks :)
I love how you took the time to explain that the lines aren’t elastic, but everything you said was so complex that the people that would’ve thought that the lines are elastic wouldn’t have a fucking clue what you were saying trying to explain the energy system 🤣
Incredible video! Thank you!
Wow! Fantastic video. Production quality is increasing. Love the technical explanations also.
After the hop when you land are you aiming to stop the board completely? Or drive upwind a little? Or carry on in the same direction as you were pre-hop? I was wondering what take off speed was best?
THANK YOU SOOOO MUUUCH !! One of the best vid ever regarding jumping. You are so goooood ! Already hyped for the next vids !
Many many thanks .... looking forward to trying those steps here in DUBAI ....
Awesome video, very comprehensive. And i like that you are so professional there. Also whats that song? Kinda cool :P
Thanks bro, it s very comprehensive tutorial !!!! Just wanna add that as for me the hardest part is to stay upwind while you hopping. And the only way to achieve it is to have a very strong core! With the weak core and especially with the fat belly shoulders lean forward initially, no way you can stay upwind !
Very nice video! Just wondering whether a vertical hair cut, pointing directly at the sky is an essential part of going big, or can we consider it as something extra?
Awesome!!!
Awesome video man. Thanks for all the efforts here and the good vibes. Can't wait to recover and start jumping in Tarifa again