Awesome Video! How do you actually do that Hop? straighten both legs or pushing more from the Tail? giving max effort or just a bit? And for Step 1 you sending the kite just with medium Speed?
It's a small push off the water, followed by lifting the legs and thus lifting the board out of the water. For step 1, I'm sending it with medium speed. Not fast yet. Good question!
Get High with Mike - Advanced Kitesurf Coaching when you say small push, is that through both feet or rear foot only, also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible ? Ps when are you in tarifa this year ?
@@vikingh3008 "also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible " I would like to know this too
@@raphaelvvidal Good question. It seems to me that if you did not lean back hard (jump upwind - away from the kite) you would inevitably drift downwind and cancel out the benefit of the whole sequence.
Today I did it, my first day taking off like a pro! Its not easy because your body has to memorize the movements and feel the precision. Thanks Mike, great job!
Ok a boring professional engineer kiteboarder here. I like the "energy in the system approach". The main energy storage comes from our body's momentum as that is where the mass is (especially after the off season). If we ride twice as fast the energy increases by 4 times. We want edging and line tension only to increase our speed right until we send it. At this point we use hard edging and pop to convert forward energy into vertical acceleration, airflow over the kite plays its part during the transition as it helps convert forward speed to lift and that too is squared relationship to speed. After liftoff we now rely on airflow over our almost static kite to add more energy to the system. If we edge too hard too early we dont build enough energy to be converted by our kite and pop.
Having just recently finished Antons videos, and stewing over why so many advanced riders do the pre-load, I decided it must be happening just after his first “push”. Your video confirms it all!! Thanks for making this, super informative and well done as usual 🤙🏼
Brilliant teaching skills. I also do trainings but in business law area. So I really know how much work it takes to do such kind of video. One of the best kite teching video series I ever seen.
Destination guide is Much needed in the kite industry. Ive spend countless hours trying to find New places to kite. Also, perfect video, can’t wait to practice! Thanks for putting these out mike!!
Cyprus........... was a hotspot for windsurfing in the 90s and now goes off for kiting, wind from about 11am its awesome 10 and a half months a year....... peace
This is a perfect explanation ! My only nitpick would be that replacing the word "energy" by "force" or "pull" throughout the whole video would be more correct from a physics standpoint, and also more understandable for beginners. Took me a few viewings to finally understand this 🤘
Mike - your video is just amazing and delivers super valuable tips. Breaking down the process really helps. Thanks a lot bro!!!! See you up in the air 🤙
Hi Mike, this is one of my first comments in a TH-cam Video and I think your tutorial deserve a comment! Your Video was perfect with perfect content! I really like your theoretical stuffs in your videos. Also your Heli loop / Down Loop Video was awesome and also your last video how to jump with waves als kicker. I was always looking for a video like yours and I'll check your page and your next kite clinic.
YEWWW FIRST COMMENT EVERR!!!! Thanks so much for this Ali. I'll keep putting out videos and looking forward to having you in a clinic some day! NYEOWWW :D
Thanks bro, it s very comprehensive tutorial !!!! Just wanna add that as for me the hardest part is to stay upwind while you hopping. And the only way to achieve it is to have a very strong core! With the weak core and especially with the fat belly shoulders lean forward initially, no way you can stay upwind !
The timing is really everything. It's tough. I either look pro or like a total kook when practicing this! Hope you cruise to San Diego some time. Be awesome to see you boosting in person🤙🤘
Hi Mike, great video as usual! 1- How hard upwind should you be riding during the approach, before the preload (upwind vs. speed)? 2- When are we getting the edging video you talked about? 😁
I've heard various people arguing for and against the idea that line tension/stretch stores energy to lift you higher; the physics is pretty simple, and the answer is no, it doesn't: Combining the equations for energy stored in a spring and gravitational potential energy, it's easy to arrive at a useful relation: the ratio between the extra height you can get out of the stored energy and the amount of line stretch is equal to one-half of the ratio between the line tension and your body weight. If the force of line tension is 6 times your body weight, then 10 cm of line stretch stores enough energy to lift you at most an extra 30 cm. If it's clearer like this: (extra height)/(line stretch distance) = 1/2 x (line tension)/(body weight). Somebody (the people who engineer our kites, probably) could explain it more fully, but I expect that preload pop's biggest advantage is helping with a fast upwind takeoff. The pop lets you turn a bit of upwind distance into a boost of extra speed without the drag from having your board in the water, and once you land you can quickly redirect your speed into the wind for takeoff ("quickly redirect" is key, since it reduces how much water drag and riding upwind can slow you down, which is probably why preload pop is hard). That DOES store a lot of energy; in 30 kts of wind, riding 30 kts 30 degrees upwind of crosswind, you have enough kinetic energy to beat 36 m of gravity, and an extra 3 kts takeoff speed gives an extra 6 m height. (Disclaimer: I am a physics grad student and a half-decent kiter. I have never done a preload pop or a 10 m jump. The math done in this comment is very simplistic, but "probably" gives a good comparison of spring and kinetic energy in big air.)
Very cool video and informative. But I am not so convinced about the physics behind. It might seem like a good idea to "use gravity" to dig the edge deeper. But I am not convinced how is that going to happen if at the same time you are lifting the kite up, which takes your weight off the board. Also, as you get air you lose speed (same in kiting, skiing, car racing, you name it), and you are actually bound to go a little downwind as you do your little hop, hence actually reduce the line tension. My intuition would be that you would build more tension in the lines and more kite speed from staing on your edge
You have to talk about loosing your edge downwind for a moment with your friend Anton....next video proper stance please (powered up stance in advakite). 🤙🤙🤙 keep on rocking it !
Mike your videos are SICK! But I'm a newb. Any chance you can put together a playlist with the beginning progressions into tricks? E.g. "The best how to pop", "the best how to back roll", "the best how to ride toe side"
Do you know about that Push-sequence to making the kite flying faster to 12 o´clock? Anton Chernyshov is talking a lot about it at this learning to fly Video. What do you think about this technic? Do you also try it or do it sometimes?
I wouldn’t say that short answer is gravity. The short answer is momentum. After the peak of your pop your body starts going down with some speed. Speed*weight= momentum. This momentum resists the pull of your kite while you’re sending it to 12. Normally, with such fast sending, kite would pull you out of your edge. Your down momentum prevents you from loosing your edge for like a second.
Awesome vid! You know I`m practicing. One thing I`m trying to figure out is what kite size to what wind is optimal for creating enough speed and power. Is it just pushing the biggest kite to wind that I can keep on edge considering having a good sweetspot? I make notes of my sessions to check what is the most opt size, because winds vary a lot. And I kite from 8 to 45ish knts with kites from 5 to 19meters and every one needs a bit different timing. Most days are 14 to 24 knts . Tips much appreciated. Soon I`ll have the board mount to really get going 🤘
Wow great video mike! Do you have any extra tipps how not to backstall the kite too much before taking off which is caused often from too fast steering and results a far but not very high jump. Kind regards Bruno
Sure! Backstalling is caused by back lines being too short relative to front lines. From a physics perspective, it occurs when drag > lift. This can be caused by 1) incorrect trim 2) sheeting in the bar too much So 1) watch +Steven Akkersdijk video on how to trim correctly and 2) if your kite is backstalling, let the bar out slightly on take off, or increase air flowing over the kite by riding in a manner that creates more induced wind (ride fast, with the kite low, on edge) Hope this helps! :D
think of the pop as the jumping or strokes a long jumper jumper takes before the big one, its kind of like bending your knees before loading the spring, jumping from speed and using even the tinest of kickers is imo the best way to develop jumping more than sending it and sheeting in etc, you fly more straigh than up and it is predictable, sending it well requires more training, i think people learn to jump quicker off kickers loaded, then theprogression to loops is easier because you are higher, flat water high jumps need more tension, usually bigger kites
Gravity is same whether you preload or not. However preload gives your body (mainly legs) an advantage to push kiteboard harder into the water. It is same as what everyone does when trying to jump straight up: before starting upwards movement you should first go a bit downwards to preload (or actually to release tension of your leg muscles). Athletes often measure jump heights with and without preload. Jumping without preload is actually pretty difficult and it makes your result considerably worse. Another advantage of preload in kitesurfing is that when you do it you release some tension in lines and position of kite in WW moves backwards. This gives it a bit more room to surge forward when final hard edging follows which makes speed and lift of the kite bigger. You definitely go a bit downwind when doing preload jump but of course you can't do that too much. So preload jump must be low and fast.
Awesome video Mike. I'm having a hard time doing high inverted frontrolls like the one you did at 7:09, I end up doing a involuntary down loop way to early, I basicly have a hard time keeping the kite in control. Do you have any tips? Thanks
Awesome Video!
How do you actually do that Hop? straighten both legs or pushing more from the Tail? giving max effort or just a bit? And for Step 1 you sending the kite just with medium Speed?
It's a small push off the water, followed by lifting the legs and thus lifting the board out of the water. For step 1, I'm sending it with medium speed. Not fast yet. Good question!
Get High with Mike - Advanced Kitesurf Coaching when you say small push, is that through both feet or rear foot only, also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible ? Ps when are you in tarifa this year ?
@@vikingh3008 "also when doing this small push do you move your body a bit up away from the water or lean back as much as possible " I would like to know this too
@@raphaelvvidal Good question. It seems to me that if you did not lean back hard (jump upwind - away from the kite) you would inevitably drift downwind and cancel out the benefit of the whole sequence.
Mike, congrats on delivering the best explanation on jump theory I've ever heard. NYEW!
totally!!
if it only were correct:)
Thanks so much Alexandru! :D NYEWWWW!
Today I did it, my first day taking off like a pro! Its not easy because your body has to memorize the movements and feel the precision. Thanks Mike, great job!
BY FAR the best youtube channel for advanced techniques! Please keep the uploads coming...
Ok a boring professional engineer kiteboarder here. I like the "energy in the system approach". The main energy storage comes from our body's momentum as that is where the mass is (especially after the off season). If we ride twice as fast the energy increases by 4 times. We want edging and line tension only to increase our speed right until we send it. At this point we use hard edging and pop to convert forward energy into vertical acceleration, airflow over the kite plays its part during the transition as it helps convert forward speed to lift and that too is squared relationship to speed. After liftoff we now rely on airflow over our almost static kite to add more energy to the system. If we edge too hard too early we dont build enough energy to be converted by our kite and pop.
Solid!
Holy shit this tutorial is insanely good wtf it's like every other TH-cam tutorial is trying to hide the secrets of big air mastery.
Hahaha thanks bru!
Most probably one of the best kitecontent videos, information- as editingwise, I have ever seen on TH-cam! Congrats and thank you dude!
Thank you so much Dany! :D I really appreciate it!!!
Probably the best high jump tutorial i've ever seen.
Thanks Mike
Having just recently finished Antons videos, and stewing over why so many advanced riders do the pre-load, I decided it must be happening just after his first “push”.
Your video confirms it all!!
Thanks for making this, super informative and well done as usual 🤙🏼
Brilliant teaching skills. I also do trainings but in business law area. So I really know how much work it takes to do such kind of video. One of the best kite teching video series I ever seen.
Destination guide is Much needed in the kite industry. Ive spend countless hours trying to find New places to kite.
Also, perfect video, can’t wait to practice!
Thanks for putting these out mike!!
Thanks so much Rich! Can't wait to launch the guide and visit a destination with you bro!
When wind is picking up again overhere in Holland this is definitely the first thing I will try. Thanks allot again!
Thanks for watching my bru! Please come back here and comment how it went. Nyeowww!
dropping some serious knowledge bombs here bro! thank you for taking the time to explain this in such detail
Thanks for helping make this all possible brother!
this video is amazing - love how you explain it! Maybe I can finally break the 7-8m barrier...
Wow! Fantastic video. Production quality is increasing. Love the technical explanations also.
Of all the instructions on youtube universe - yours is by far the best!!!!!
Hope to kite with you sometime here in the US.
Wow, thank you so much!
Instant like for the time codes.
Nice work, bro! Well done! Actual topic, I see a lot of people enjoying this vid. Sick!)
Thanks so much brother! I really appreciate it, coming from the boss! :D
As another famous master of boosting. Do you agree with this technique? :D
Cyprus........... was a hotspot for windsurfing in the 90s and now goes off for kiting, wind from about 11am its awesome 10 and a half months a year....... peace
So many years jumping, I've never successfully done a pre-pop better than a jump without pre-pop.
Now I'm determined to try it until I fly it!
Send it bruddaaah!
These tutorials are on a whole new level 💪
Haha thanks so much! :D
That was the first video of my life where i had to like and subscribe after less than 1 minute because i felt like you deserve it so much.
This is a perfect explanation !
My only nitpick would be that replacing the word "energy" by "force" or "pull" throughout the whole video would be more correct from a physics standpoint, and also more understandable for beginners. Took me a few viewings to finally understand this 🤘
Certainly the best kitecontent videos I have seen !
Congrats and thank you dude !
Wow, thanks!
Amazing explanation. Thanks for the equation of lift
I need a video to help me survive big crashes. I will use this info tomorrow, cheers
Excellent video Mike! Thanks for putting in the time and for sharing your knowledge!!
Thanks so much for watching! :D NYEOWWW
Congrats Mike, loving your how to's, going to try this today......starting in small steps :)
Thanks Warren! Let me know how it goes!
Wow what a feeling. Floating over the waves. You gave me the missing piece. Parking to the opposite side and wider arc. Thanks Mike.
Mike - your video is just amazing and delivers super valuable tips. Breaking down the process really helps. Thanks a lot bro!!!! See you up in the air 🤙
Thanks so much bru! Can't wait to be back in the air!!! NYEOWWWW
youre making some of the best guides out there thanks
Excellent. I really like the link to the physics.
Thanks so much Jamie! :D
Many many thanks .... looking forward to trying those steps here in DUBAI ....
Thanks Mike
Hi Mike, this is one of my first comments in a TH-cam Video and I think your tutorial deserve a comment! Your Video was perfect with perfect content! I really like your theoretical stuffs in your videos. Also your Heli loop / Down Loop Video was awesome and also your last video how to jump with waves als kicker. I was always looking for a video like yours and I'll check your page and your next kite clinic.
YEWWW FIRST COMMENT EVERR!!!! Thanks so much for this Ali. I'll keep putting out videos and looking forward to having you in a clinic some day! NYEOWWW :D
Your best Vid to date! Super helpful.
Thanks so much bro!
Masterpiece brah! Best advance jumping tutorial ever! See you some day in the water
Thanks bro, it s very comprehensive tutorial !!!! Just wanna add that as for me the hardest part is to stay upwind while you hopping. And the only way to achieve it is to have a very strong core! With the weak core and especially with the fat belly shoulders lean forward initially, no way you can stay upwind !
Awesome video ! Lookin forward to trying this !! thanks Mike
Yewww please come back and comment how it goes :D
The timing is really everything. It's tough. I either look pro or like a total kook when practicing this! Hope you cruise to San Diego some time. Be awesome to see you boosting in person🤙🤘
Yeah all about that timing! Likely be there within the next 2 months actually
THANK YOU SOOOO MUUUCH !! One of the best vid ever regarding jumping. You are so goooood ! Already hyped for the next vids !
Thanks for this amazing video. I will practice :))
Wow so good. That is a really good explanation. Love your videos!!!
Hi Mike, great video as usual!
1- How hard upwind should you be riding during the approach, before the preload (upwind vs. speed)?
2- When are we getting the edging video you talked about? 😁
super cool video , broken down to smallest details !!! keep it coming ! Nyeoww!!
I've heard various people arguing for and against the idea that line tension/stretch stores energy to lift you higher; the physics is pretty simple, and the answer is no, it doesn't:
Combining the equations for energy stored in a spring and gravitational potential energy, it's easy to arrive at a useful relation: the ratio between the extra height you can get out of the stored energy and the amount of line stretch is equal to one-half of the ratio between the line tension and your body weight. If the force of line tension is 6 times your body weight, then 10 cm of line stretch stores enough energy to lift you at most an extra 30 cm. If it's clearer like this: (extra height)/(line stretch distance) = 1/2 x (line tension)/(body weight).
Somebody (the people who engineer our kites, probably) could explain it more fully, but I expect that preload pop's biggest advantage is helping with a fast upwind takeoff. The pop lets you turn a bit of upwind distance into a boost of extra speed without the drag from having your board in the water, and once you land you can quickly redirect your speed into the wind for takeoff ("quickly redirect" is key, since it reduces how much water drag and riding upwind can slow you down, which is probably why preload pop is hard). That DOES store a lot of energy; in 30 kts of wind, riding 30 kts 30 degrees upwind of crosswind, you have enough kinetic energy to beat 36 m of gravity, and an extra 3 kts takeoff speed gives an extra 6 m height.
(Disclaimer: I am a physics grad student and a half-decent kiter. I have never done a preload pop or a 10 m jump. The math done in this comment is very simplistic, but "probably" gives a good comparison of spring and kinetic energy in big air.)
Another great video! Thanks a lot Mike!
Thanks for watching :D
Awesome video, reconciling theory with what happens on the water! Well done 😘😘
Muchas gracias guapa! :-*
Very advanced video thanx mike! Forgot to mention the nice vibes from Cospe
Thanks so much!
Awesome video man. Thanks for all the efforts here and the good vibes. Can't wait to recover and start jumping in Tarifa again
This was an awesome video Mike. Keep it coming. Still hoping to attend one of those kite clinics with you one day!
Thanks Ralph! I hope so too :D
Just added this to my Top KiteBoarding tutorials playlist for students. Great vid. Hurry up and edit more !
Hahaha okay I'll get right on it boss! and thank you!
Incredible video! Thank you!
Proper instructions bro!! 🔥
Thanks so much brother!
Very cool video and informative. But I am not so convinced about the physics behind. It might seem like a good idea to "use gravity" to dig the edge deeper. But I am not convinced how is that going to happen if at the same time you are lifting the kite up, which takes your weight off the board. Also, as you get air you lose speed (same in kiting, skiing, car racing, you name it), and you are actually bound to go a little downwind as you do your little hop, hence actually reduce the line tension. My intuition would be that you would build more tension in the lines and more kite speed from staing on your edge
Wow, this video is mind-blowing. Wasn't thinking about line tension before this! Stupid me..... Time to go NYEeeeW!!
You have to talk about loosing your edge downwind for a moment with your friend Anton....next video proper stance please (powered up stance in advakite). 🤙🤙🤙 keep on rocking it !
Thanks Braulio! Yeah, riding stance is a big one! It's on the list. Thanks for watching!
You started something here. In few years you will see the first elastic lines for Red Bull Big Air :D
Very nice tutorial, can’t wait to be back on water to refine my skills. Last time was...this afternoon :-)
Mike your videos are SICK! But I'm a newb. Any chance you can put together a playlist with the beginning progressions into tricks? E.g. "The best how to pop", "the best how to back roll", "the best how to ride toe side"
Congratulations Mike for this vidéo ☀️😃 are you sometime in France ? and what IS thé brand of thé box phone please ?
Hervé et Annabella.
Great work!! Now i have a good instruction how to jump a realy high. Thanks a lot!!
Awesome video !👌
Looking forward to the next one about edging 🤙
Thanks Emmanuel! :D
Mike, the video is awesome! Thank you for the know how and perfect explanation! 🤙
Thanks so much for sharing your feedback :D
Thanks i love your video .
Really healpfull
great video. the merch looks good but as long as I am not really able to jump it is to emberassing to wear it :)
Do you know about that Push-sequence to making the kite flying faster to 12 o´clock? Anton Chernyshov is talking a lot about it at this learning to fly Video. What do you think about this technic? Do you also try it or do it sometimes?
Watch anton’s new video on how to jump in waves, it’s basically same as explained in this video with a pre load pop
awesome vid! Thanks for these tips
as always GOOD STUFF dude
Thanks bru!
This music has Witcher 3 vibes 😀! Nice vid mate!
I wouldn’t say that short answer is gravity. The short answer is momentum. After the peak of your pop your body starts going down with some speed. Speed*weight= momentum. This momentum resists the pull of your kite while you’re sending it to 12. Normally, with such fast sending, kite would pull you out of your edge. Your down momentum prevents you from loosing your edge for like a second.
Thnx Mike absolutely delivering the best tutorials 🤙🏼
Awesome guide Mike, thank you
Great job Mike!!!!! Very very nice video! Well done buddy 👌 👍 👌
Awesome vid! You know I`m practicing. One thing I`m trying to figure out is what kite size to what wind is optimal for creating enough speed and power. Is it just pushing the biggest kite to wind that I can keep on edge considering having a good sweetspot? I make notes of my sessions to check what is the most opt size, because winds vary a lot. And I kite from 8 to 45ish knts with kites from 5 to 19meters and every one needs a bit different timing. Most days are 14 to 24 knts . Tips much appreciated. Soon I`ll have the board mount to really get going 🤘
Cool Awesome Perfect very Thanks this clip sure on the this world for jump kite
Thank you for all your video!
Wow great video mike! Do you have any extra tipps how not to backstall the kite too much before taking off which is caused often from too fast steering and results a far but not very high jump. Kind regards Bruno
Sure! Backstalling is caused by back lines being too short relative to front lines.
From a physics perspective, it occurs when drag > lift.
This can be caused by
1) incorrect trim
2) sheeting in the bar too much
So 1) watch +Steven Akkersdijk video on how to trim correctly and
2) if your kite is backstalling, let the bar out slightly on take off, or increase air flowing over the kite by riding in a manner that creates more induced wind (ride fast, with the kite low, on edge)
Hope this helps! :D
@@gethighwithmike thank you very much for your answer🤙🤙
Great theory. Even if you’re not doing the pop but want to progress your jumping in general: Check out this video! All you need.
think of the pop as the jumping or strokes a long jumper jumper takes before the big one, its kind of like bending your knees before loading the spring, jumping from speed and using even the tinest of kickers is imo the best way to develop jumping more than sending it and sheeting in etc, you fly more straigh than up and it is predictable, sending it well requires more training, i think people learn to jump quicker off kickers loaded, then theprogression to loops is easier because you are higher, flat water high jumps need more tension, usually bigger kites
Brilliant video and explanations cheers boet
Thanks man, for taking the effort. I am gonna practise straight away🤙🚀🚀
Great explanation, thanks!
Great job this was super helpful! Thank you!!
Legend! Gonna try as soon I left the jail! Ok, vessel. Same same but different!
Legend bro, congratz with your 6k subribers 👍
Thanks so much bro! :D
Rad video bru!!! great explanation
Ayyye nice to see your comment here brothaaah! Thanks :D
Gravity is same whether you preload or not. However preload gives your body (mainly legs) an advantage to push kiteboard harder into the water. It is same as what everyone does when trying to jump straight up: before starting upwards movement you should first go a bit downwards to preload (or actually to release tension of your leg muscles).
Athletes often measure jump heights with and without preload. Jumping without preload is actually pretty difficult and it makes your result considerably worse.
Another advantage of preload in kitesurfing is that when you do it you release some tension in lines and position of kite in WW moves backwards. This gives it a bit more room to surge forward when final hard edging follows which makes speed and lift of the kite bigger.
You definitely go a bit downwind when doing preload jump but of course you can't do that too much. So preload jump must be low and fast.
Such clear explanation! 👌
Very nice content! I always look forward to new videos of you. Keep up the good work, neowwww
Awesome video man! Only missed the: NEEEOOOWWWWW 😃😃😃
NYEOWWW :D
Very good and informative video 😎🤙🏼 Hope to see you back in Tarifa soon 🤙🏼
Awesome video Mike. I'm having a hard time doing high inverted frontrolls like the one you did at 7:09, I end up doing a involuntary down loop way to early, I basicly have a hard time keeping the kite in control. Do you have any tips? Thanks
Awesome!!!
Awesome Mike, I luv it! What i was waiting for a long time :)
Thanks brother! :D I hope to see you again soon!
Great video!! Cheers from Cumbuco
Great Video, thank you!!!
Sick vid mate! Imma try that this weekend!
Thanks so much! Let me know how it goes please!
Awesome , helpfull, pros!
great content video! I really appreciate this kind of videos! May you can focus next video on flying and landing?
Great video