It's impressive and very remarkable all the research and understanding you do for this kind of videos. I watch them while I'm at work, and I have to rewind every time I hear something wild. So thank you!!
Watched this off and on throughout my whole work day to keep the Halloween spirit alive during the grind. Great video. Will always love the Thorn Trilogy because they played on AMC fearfest all the time. Thank you for giving them the spotlight! So many creators shit on these, especially 5 and 6. 🎉
Really cool and insightful deep dive. Your hard work shows throughout the duration of this runtime. Every time I watch your deepdives, I always learn something new and information that makes me want to research and watch the movie. I had no idea what a thorn trilogy was and never heard of it until now. I mean, the only one I was familiar with was the one with Paul Rudd 😆. But I thought H20 was interesting and going somewhere. Quentin Tarantino even praised Jamie Lee Curtis's performance in that movie. Sorry for the long rant lol. Anyway, really good work👍. I am looking forward to seeing more deepdives from you in the future. you two crazy kids have fun tonight lol and be careful. Happy Halloween 🎃
Honestly, I really like Halloween 5. I don’t think it deserves all the hate that it gets. It is well-directed and includes multiple scenes that are genuinely suspenseful and stylish. Also, Pleasance gives his most unhinged performance as Loomis in that film.
I'm super glad I stumbled on to your channel off your other channel the physical media organizing video. This was super cool and informative. i do actually like the whole thorn trilogy My biggest question for the thorn trilogy has always been when or how did Michael learn to drive finally got the answer
Didn’t know these films were filmed in Utah. Not surprised. Worked maintenance in Salt Lake City since 78. First 14 years at a mall downtown. I saw a few Actors in my day. I was polite and just acknowledged them with a smile. I heard later that a lot of actors liked filming here because people were polite and just let them be. Also I had a friend that worked as a bodyguard for many Actors. I’ll have to rewatch this trilogy closely now since this wonderful deep dive. I have to confess that originally these three were not my favorite of the franchise.
You are awesome, luv. Coming here each Halloween is always a treat. Nothing touches Halloween 4's atmosphere and it remains my favorite of the original sequels.
I'm very glad you did a deep dive of the Thorn trilogy! While they're not my favorite Halloween movies, the behind-the-scenes stuff is very fascinating.
Loved this deep dive! I’m a massive fan of the Thorn Trilogy so this was right up my alley, I’ll definitely have to check out your Scream For Dummies series next!
Great job on this one! Ive been a huge fan of the franchise since the 90s and this Thorn trilogy was a huge part of my fandom, for better or for worse, in those early days. Your video has definitely taught me some new facts about it. Keep up the great work, Dark Leader!
loving these halloween deep dives! i’ve been wanting a refresher on 5 and 6 but didn’t want to rewatch them 😂 loved the video on season of the witch as well
Happy Halloween Kylie. I've seen many Halloween deep dives on here from multiple Podcasters that I follow, but this might be my favorite from the underappreciated Thorn trilogy because of research you put into this. So grateful for the amount of time and effort you put into this.
They should make a Michael Myers - Art the Clown crossover. A silent movie about two mute killers teaming up but struggling to communicate. Until they figure out they can write to each other using their victims blood as ink.
As always, another great deep dive. Even though I don’t like the Thorn trilogy, I at least appreciate that they were trying to spice things up. I just wish that the leader of the Thorn cult was Conal Cochran instead of Wynn, it’d be a cool way to tie it into Halloween 3. That’s the best Halloween film in my opinion, I will die on that hill!
This was a wonderfully insightful deepdive. I feel like Michael Myers has had so many different looking masks then any other slasher. Even the poster of Halloween 4 is the original mask that's not in the film.
Happy Halloween, me lord. Sadly I can’t spent time with Halloween today but I hope you have a great Halloween. 🎃 Micheal Myers lore… sadly that one has to be waiting later.
Halloween 4 and 5 are an awesome double feature and are COMFY. As a child I never saw Halloween 6 so I thought 5’s ending was terrifying and frustrating because H2O resolved nothing which gave the movie an even more depressing ending
I like the Producers Cut of 6. The Shitbag Cut is just weird, but I do like that bit where Tommy and What's-Her-Nuts are sort of struggling with each other, then Michael walks through the room not noticing them and they get terrified, then relax as he leaves.
Neither version of H6 may be my favorite but goddamn the cinematography is so freaking gorgeous. As actual movies they're sorta meh but man, visually both versions are just nothing but spooky vibes
omgggg we don’t deserve you and especially for you going on a perfect detailed deep dive of the Halloween franchise 😩🥺 i love this sooo much can you please do the same for ANOES and Scream franchises? 😮💨
Yoooo this was amazing !!! I just love when filmmaking is this strong even tho the movies are the “greatest” let’s say. If in the future there is a revisit to this franchise, I hope we follow Jamie as a grown up woman. It would be interesting
I love Halloween 4 but ignore the sequels. 5 is a parody where they make every character unlikeable and 6 goes off the deep end with mythology. On top of both movies backtracking and wasting the set up at the end of 4.
14:57 Donald's wife told him that. And then she laughed at him. It hurt his feelings. He went and told the director on her and made them change it. So they did. Also, I'm only about 15 minutes deep and having a hell of a good time with this video. Thanks.
i've only seen the producer's cut of H6, but i really love it and it's easily my favorite of the thorn trilogy. i love danielle harris, and i feel bad about what happened and how her character was treated in 6, but i still think it's a genuinely great film and one of the best in the franchise. sure, it's very silly and messy at times and there's a lottt of problems with it as was made evident with this video, yet i think it's one i'll keep returning to every october because of its incredible atmosphere, great characters, great actors, and back-to-basics carpenter vibes.
Great stream learned a lot...sorry I had to work last night yes on Halloween 🤬 college and work makes me a bad cult member 😂 but I like and subscribe 👍💯
Now I love the thorn triogly it feels the most connected to the first 2 movies more than h20 or the new triogly I love the Jamie Lyold character in 4 and 5 I hate the way they get rid of her in 6 it gets me so angry every time I watch the triogly she is my favorite final girl in the franchise I love Loomis in the triogly and how him and micheal have a father and son like bond in the triogly and I love how they explain micheal in his origins with the cult and I love this video with you going into details about the production of this triogly I love keep up this amazing work
What an absolute treat this was! I knew you said you were trying to get this deep dive done but I was not expecting this to be a little over an hour long! This was awesome!! Thanks for this and I hope you have a wonderful and safe Halloween! 🎃🦇
I’m surprised Danielle didn’t have life long back problems with how she carried Halloween 5 on her back. & I say that with respect Donald, Don & Wendy.
Halloween 4 is a solid entry though I would be curious to see Dwight's Director's Cut though it probably won't be a huge difference unless certain rumored scenes were actually filmed! Halloween 5 is an example of never rush something and don't let Dominique Othenin-Girard do whatever he wanted to do without taking time to really think about the consequences of it! I know Halloween 5 has apparently a lot of deleted footage including the swat team sequences and the police station shootout and apparently there was a scene of Dr. Loomis throwing a dead cat at some kids in front of the Myers house to get them to leave! Halloween 6 is a perfect example of studio interference with a lot of bad apples messing things up! It is funny with all the footage that has been released for Halloween 6 there is still more out there including a work print that has more scenes of Dr. Loomis! I noticed you made a small goof, it was the Akkad's that filed an injunction against the Weinstein's but yes Akkad's Lawyer's basically told him to back off and the Weinstein's secretly did the reshoots and yes I agree F the Weinstein's! Solid deep dive!
Kylie you NEED to watch the new documentary Doc of Chucky on Shudder. It's almost 5 hours long. It's a complete introspective. Most of the cast and crew give interviews. It's truly amazing! And you can't compare it to that abomination Living With Chucky from last year lol
Great video as always Kylie! Speaking of Chris Stuckman, have you seen/reviewed his movie? I haven't heard much about it on the horror channels I follow
@HauntedHippie I probably spelt his name wrong but you know who I mean 🤣 It's weird though, I was expecting all the channels I watch to cover it. I'm just settling in now to watch Halloween 3, very excited!
Happy Happy.. mid-70s, windy and sunny here, leaves blowing and swirling everywhere, nice for trick or treating considering the past few years have been cold and rainy.. Ellie Cornell also auditioned for Alice in NOES 4 around the same time she auditioned for Halloween 4.. said she knew of Freddy and NOES, but was already a Halloween fan and thought it was more popular, but I don't she chose between the 2 roles, Halloween 4 cast her and NOES 4 got Lisa Wilcox..
Great video, great research...Im recently of the opinion that it's more of a Cult of Thorn movie and a 1/3...5 only had a few shots of the man in black that the director had no clue about Probably more of a Jaimie Lloyd or Dr Loomis trilogy in my opinion
Othenin-Girard was trying to briefly humanize Michael in Halloween, but at least there was a point to it even if one sees it as a misfire. The whole idea is that The Shape's rage is so powerful that it breaks through any of Michael's remanent humanness. You see one single tear drop and then Michael instantly snaps back into (the Shape) of rage. I understand people not necessarily liking this, but The Shape's rage is literally spelled out as the film's central theme as we see when Loomis talks to Michael in the woods before the final act. I actually find it bizarre that many seem to have more contempt for Othenin-Girard doing that than the Weinsteins forcing a shoed-in in-movie-retcon of Halloween 6 wherein we find out the cult of Thorn is actually all just a cover for genetic experiments to be sold, conceivably, to the military-industrial complex. It is potentially the most ridiculous twist in the series that many accept simply because they like the atmosphere and mise en scene of HALLOWEEN 6 and prefer the spectacle of Tommy Doyle beating the piss out of Myers with a pipe in the ending. And I get why people like HALLOWEEN 6, but the whole genetic experiment thing is contemptuously stupid and akin to the deranged conspiracy theories of a QAnon nutter.
Curse of Michael Myers will always have a special place in my heart because it reminds me of my Meme’s neighborhood, and around 1998 (I was 6) was when I first dipped my toes into horror (mostly Halloweentown, Don’t Look Under the Bed, Are you Afarid of the Dark?, and So Werid) but I’d also turn on AMC or some place showing horror movies (the first thing I ever saw the Halloween series was the scene with Jamie in the coffin and Michael taking his mask off around this time) Watch for a few seconds and then get scared and turned back to Cartoon Network or something… but something about it just taps into some of my oldest childhood and spooky memories and what late 90’s Halloween meant to me
12:50 Man I love these opening credits. The original were the best but shit man, this is perfect for a sequel that takes place well after that original night! This just reeks of Autumn in the Prairies (where I'm) and Mid-West.
So, you are very well researched, which is impressive. However, when it comes to the neck of the H5 mask, you missed Don Shanks’ commentary of the film. In that, he talks about how they put makeup sponges in the neck, in order to make it flair out like it did. I guess Dominique thought it didn’t look like a mask, unless they accentuated the neck like that 🤷🏻♂️
What would’ve made the trilogy better Imo: 1. Kept George P. Wilbur in all 3 movies with the correct mask 2. Loomis not developing into a old psycho 3. Not killing off Rachel, and replacing her with annoying Tina 4. Stuck with Danielle Harris as Jamie and not muting her in H5 just to create a psychic connection with Michael 5. been subtle with the cult of thorn, no rituals or random man in black scenes If it was absolutely necessary to give Michael a motive like that
I recut 6 so that it's using both the producers cut and the theatrical.. and I took out every mention of JC Brandy being Jamie Lloyd, so now she's just a random girl from smiths grove that they used as a vessel for a cloned Michael Myers baby... And I did toss in a quick explanation where the real Jamie is (which is on my channel lol)
A really cool connection to real life cult imagery is that the thorn symbol that is tattooed on Michael’s wrist is actually a real life rune called Wynn! So it makes sense why doctor Wynn would be the one controlling Michael. Also i resent the comment on the generic grunge music in the theatrical cut of Halloween 6! Hahah I’m a big grunge guy. The song is “And fools shine on” by Brother Cane. I actually shazamed the song when I first heard it. I can’t help it hahaha but I do agree that the original Halloween music was much better choice for the scene.
I remember growing up, every year around Halloween time, AMC would always rerun Halloween 4 and 5 and I would watch them every year for years lol they’re basically staples of my childhood and the one timeline that has the most nostalgia for me. I admit as a kid, I had a big crush on Jamie lol I so loved getting to meet Danielle for real earlier this year! Those Halloween 5 parties sound insane since she was a kid. Idk how to feel about all that lol I really loved your background info on Alan howarth! Music is so important to me and I love that he has a rock background and opened for the Who! That’s awesome! Also I never knew about the stranger who inspired the man in black! Thank you for that! But I’m just glad that you’ve finally seen the light on the producers cut of Halloween 6! I know it’s got flaws but so does part 5 haha and for me, as a long time fan of part 4 and 5, watching the producers cut finally gave me closure on what happened with that storyline cuz the theatrical cut never helped and always confused me lol I also like that we have retroactively titled as the thorn trilogy cuz of part 6! It’s sad about he whole Jamie situation, since Danielle only asked for more money to cover the court costs of being emancipated. Damn those producers, but either way I like the way Jamie is handled more in the producers cut and that Danielle and JC Brandy are friends! My biggest reasons for preferring the producers cut goes beyond the story changes but it actually feels edited like a horror film and doesn’t have all those light flashes and jumpy editing! But I also love that the producers cut has more Donald Pleasance. It’s not just that he passed before the reshoots but the director thought his performance was boring. Idiot! Hahaha Pleasance is honestly one of the best things these films got going for them! Thank you again my dark mistress for this deep dive into my favorite Halloween timeline! You’ve seriously outdone yourself with this one! What a way to celebrate Samhain! Happy Halloween!
I actually really enjoy Halloween 5. I've got the Producers Cut of 6 and like it enough but 4 is one of my favourite horror movies and is good enough to be it's own thing if it wasn't a Halloween movie but a masked killer flick.
I love how this is a real behind-the-scenes deep dive instead of just a dry recap of the movie like what so many other TH-camrs do.
I long ago got tired of supposed reviews and retrospectives which are just the uploader telling me the plot. Boring.
It's impressive and very remarkable all the research and understanding you do for this kind of videos.
I watch them while I'm at work, and I have to rewind every time I hear something wild. So thank you!!
Watched this off and on throughout my whole work day to keep the Halloween spirit alive during the grind.
Great video. Will always love the Thorn Trilogy because they played on AMC fearfest all the time. Thank you for giving them the spotlight! So many creators shit on these, especially 5 and 6. 🎉
Awesome deep dive. All Halloween franchise fans will love this. Thanks for all the work you did for this.
Appreciate that! It was a rough one haha
Really cool and insightful deep dive. Your hard work shows throughout the duration of this runtime. Every time I watch your deepdives, I always learn something new and information that makes me want to research and watch the movie. I had no idea what a thorn trilogy was and never heard of it until now. I mean, the only one I was familiar with was the one with Paul Rudd 😆. But I thought H20 was interesting and going somewhere. Quentin Tarantino even praised Jamie Lee Curtis's performance in that movie. Sorry for the long rant lol. Anyway, really good work👍. I am looking forward to seeing more deepdives from you in the future. you two crazy kids have fun tonight lol and be careful. Happy Halloween 🎃
Thank you so much for the support! I hope you have a wonderful Halloween!
Honestly, I really like Halloween 5. I don’t think it deserves all the hate that it gets. It is well-directed and includes multiple scenes that are genuinely suspenseful and stylish. Also, Pleasance gives his most unhinged performance as Loomis in that film.
I'm super glad I stumbled on to your channel off your other channel the physical media organizing video.
This was super cool and informative. i do actually like the whole thorn trilogy
My biggest question for the thorn trilogy has always been when or how did Michael learn to drive finally got the answer
Didn’t know these films were filmed in Utah. Not surprised. Worked maintenance in Salt Lake City since 78. First 14 years at a mall downtown. I saw a few Actors in my day. I was polite and just acknowledged them with a smile. I heard later that a lot of actors liked filming here because people were polite and just let them be. Also I had a friend that worked as a bodyguard for many Actors.
I’ll have to rewatch this trilogy closely now since this wonderful deep dive. I have to confess that originally these three were not my favorite of the franchise.
Didn’t realize so many movies were shot there!
You are awesome, luv. Coming here each Halloween is always a treat. Nothing touches Halloween 4's atmosphere and it remains my favorite of the original sequels.
Best treat of the day and definitely night by far is this deep drive thank youuuu
You really do incredible work in terms of research and presentation!!
Definitely count on your cinematic deep dives, K - you always teach us something new 🎬
I'm very glad you did a deep dive of the Thorn trilogy! While they're not my favorite Halloween movies, the behind-the-scenes stuff is very fascinating.
Loved this deep dive! I’m a massive fan of the Thorn Trilogy so this was right up my alley, I’ll definitely have to check out your Scream For Dummies series next!
Great job on this one! Ive been a huge fan of the franchise since the 90s and this Thorn trilogy was a huge part of my fandom, for better or for worse, in those early days. Your video has definitely taught me some new facts about it. Keep up the great work, Dark Leader!
loving these halloween deep dives! i’ve been wanting a refresher on 5 and 6 but didn’t want to rewatch them 😂 loved the video on season of the witch as well
Happy Halloween Kylie! This must have been one hell of an undertaking.
It was but your comments make up for it 🥰
Excellent deep dive again! I hope you had a spooky Halloween, our Dark Queen🖤🧡🎃
Back at ya!
Thank you for calling the Micheal Myers mask in this movie as goofy! I completely agree!❤
Awesome way to spend part of this special day! Happy Halloween! 🎃🎃🎃
Right back at ya! 🎃
YES!!! Happy Halloween Kylie!
Happy Halloween Kylie.
I've seen many Halloween deep dives on here from multiple Podcasters that I follow, but this might be my favorite from the underappreciated Thorn trilogy because of research you put into this. So grateful for the amount of time and effort you put into this.
They should make a Michael Myers - Art the Clown crossover. A silent movie about two mute killers teaming up but struggling to communicate. Until they figure out they can write to each other using their victims blood as ink.
Amazing Breakdown of the most Iconic Horror Franchise Ever
As always, another great deep dive. Even though I don’t like the Thorn trilogy, I at least appreciate that they were trying to spice things up. I just wish that the leader of the Thorn cult was Conal Cochran instead of Wynn, it’d be a cool way to tie it into Halloween 3. That’s the best Halloween film in my opinion, I will die on that hill!
This was a wonderfully insightful deepdive. I feel like Michael Myers has had so many different looking masks then any other slasher. Even the poster of Halloween 4 is the original mask that's not in the film.
dude it's been exactly 2 years since i found your channel and i haven't missed one video. happy halloween everyone!
Right on!!
Happy Halloween, me lord. Sadly I can’t spent time with Halloween today but I hope you have a great Halloween. 🎃
Micheal Myers lore… sadly that one has to be waiting later.
Halloween 4 and 5 are an awesome double feature and are COMFY.
As a child I never saw Halloween 6 so I thought 5’s ending was terrifying and frustrating because H2O resolved nothing which gave the movie an even more depressing ending
Lets gooooo, even though I fucking hate the Thorn trilogy lol. Halloween 4 is soooooo good tho! Sad they fumbled after...
Yes yes yes!! My day is officially made. You=awesome. Can't wait to watch.
Thank you so much for this deep dive on the Thorn Trilogy, Satan 😊
Kylie, great video. Very informative. Keep up the amazing work. Oh, a belated Happy Halloween too....
Thank you! You too!
I like the Producers Cut of 6. The Shitbag Cut is just weird, but I do like that bit where Tommy and What's-Her-Nuts are sort of struggling with each other, then Michael walks through the room not noticing them and they get terrified, then relax as he leaves.
Neither version of H6 may be my favorite but goddamn the cinematography is so freaking gorgeous. As actual movies they're sorta meh but man, visually both versions are just nothing but spooky vibes
This is exactly what i needed
You did a great job on this video, thank you
Christmas came early with this deep dive! Happy Halloween!
Great deep dive ❤ it, keep up the good work.
This is an outstanding video. The effort and research. Kudos.
I love the Halloween franchise and I adore your passion for this franchise. Great video.
omgggg we don’t deserve you and especially for you going on a perfect detailed deep dive of the Halloween franchise 😩🥺 i love this sooo much can you please do the same for ANOES and Scream franchises? 😮💨
Already did it for scream 👍🏼
This was so great, thank you for all your hard work!
You really are the thoughtful Doom guy.
@@Dylandesuu 😂
Yoooo this was amazing !!! I just love when filmmaking is this strong even tho the movies are the “greatest” let’s say. If in the future there is a revisit to this franchise, I hope we follow Jamie as a grown up woman. It would be interesting
Happy Halloween Kylie. Have a great time today.
I loved these three for some reason.
I love Halloween 4 but ignore the sequels. 5 is a parody where they make every character unlikeable and 6 goes off the deep end with mythology. On top of both movies backtracking and wasting the set up at the end of 4.
Happy Halloween saw the original film tonight at the cinema 🔥 BTW your goth look is so on point 🌹
Loove the halloween upload thank you 😭
Happy Halloween Kylie & everyone
I love Halloween 6. It’s in my top 5 Halloween movies. Halloween, Halloween 2 1981, Halloween 2018, Halloween 4 and Halloween 6.
Wow what a treat!!! Happy Halloween 🎃
14:57 Donald's wife told him that. And then she laughed at him. It hurt his feelings. He went and told the director on her and made them change it. So they did.
Also, I'm only about 15 minutes deep and having a hell of a good time with this video. Thanks.
i've only seen the producer's cut of H6, but i really love it and it's easily my favorite of the thorn trilogy. i love danielle harris, and i feel bad about what happened and how her character was treated in 6, but i still think it's a genuinely great film and one of the best in the franchise. sure, it's very silly and messy at times and there's a lottt of problems with it as was made evident with this video, yet i think it's one i'll keep returning to every october because of its incredible atmosphere, great characters, great actors, and back-to-basics carpenter vibes.
Great retrospective
The reason the mask in HALLOWEEN 4 was in a Haddonfield department store is greedy capitalists. :)
Prob your best video. No joke. Happy holidays🎃🎃
Great stream learned a lot...sorry I had to work last night yes on Halloween 🤬 college and work makes me a bad cult member 😂 but I like and subscribe 👍💯
Now I love the thorn triogly it feels the most connected to the first 2 movies more than h20 or the new triogly I love the Jamie Lyold character in 4 and 5 I hate the way they get rid of her in 6 it gets me so angry every time I watch the triogly she is my favorite final girl in the franchise I love Loomis in the triogly and how him and micheal have a father and son like bond in the triogly and I love how they explain micheal in his origins with the cult and I love this video with you going into details about the production of this triogly I love keep up this amazing work
What an absolute treat this was! I knew you said you were trying to get this deep dive done but I was not expecting this to be a little over an hour long! This was awesome!! Thanks for this and I hope you have a wonderful and safe Halloween! 🎃🦇
Crazy that you watched it in 5 minutes lol
Happy Halloween!!!
Happy Halloween 🧡
I live for these deep dives
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Happy Halloween Kylie! 🎃 Love the deep dives 🧡
Happy Halloween!
I've always liked the thorn trilogy. Despite its flaws they are my favorite in the series.
Happy Halloween!
I’m surprised Danielle didn’t have life long back problems with how she carried Halloween 5 on her back. & I say that with respect Donald, Don & Wendy.
17:43 That’s f’n insane
Yes a Halloween deep dive on Halloween give it to me ! Happy Halloween Kiley !!!
Happy Halloween 🎃
Halloween 4 is a solid entry though I would be curious to see Dwight's Director's Cut though it probably won't be a huge difference unless certain rumored scenes were actually filmed! Halloween 5 is an example of never rush something and don't let Dominique Othenin-Girard do whatever he wanted to do without taking time to really think about the consequences of it! I know Halloween 5 has apparently a lot of deleted footage including the swat team sequences and the police station shootout and apparently there was a scene of Dr. Loomis throwing a dead cat at some kids in front of the Myers house to get them to leave! Halloween 6 is a perfect example of studio interference with a lot of bad apples messing things up! It is funny with all the footage that has been released for Halloween 6 there is still more out there including a work print that has more scenes of Dr. Loomis! I noticed you made a small goof, it was the Akkad's that filed an injunction against the Weinstein's but yes Akkad's Lawyer's basically told him to back off and the Weinstein's secretly did the reshoots and yes I agree F the Weinstein's! Solid deep dive!
Kylie you NEED to watch the new documentary Doc of Chucky on Shudder. It's almost 5 hours long. It's a complete introspective. Most of the cast and crew give interviews. It's truly amazing! And you can't compare it to that abomination Living With Chucky from last year lol
Looks like you are playing my Halloween Wallace House video on the TV in the background...sweet! Happy Halloween!
Happy Halloween! 🎃
"The ONLY Halloween Thorn Trilogy Deep Dive" - I WILL fight you! (this was great)
*EXCEPT for Matt Draper's. Of course!
Happy Halloween 🎃 Kylie in everyone
Happy Halloween
Great video as always Kylie! Speaking of Chris Stuckman, have you seen/reviewed his movie? I haven't heard much about it on the horror channels I follow
Not yet, I'll look into it
@HauntedHippie I probably spelt his name wrong but you know who I mean 🤣 It's weird though, I was expecting all the channels I watch to cover it. I'm just settling in now to watch Halloween 3, very excited!
Yeah I remember reading about Carpenter washing his hands of the series when his script was rejected for being too spirity
Halloween 5 was the film that crippled the franchise...
Happy Halloween Kylie Roseanne a.k.a. Haunted Hippie
Happy Happy.. mid-70s, windy and sunny here, leaves blowing and swirling everywhere, nice for trick or treating considering the past few years have been cold and rainy.. Ellie Cornell also auditioned for Alice in NOES 4 around the same time she auditioned for Halloween 4.. said she knew of Freddy and NOES, but was already a Halloween fan and thought it was more popular, but I don't she chose between the 2 roles, Halloween 4 cast her and NOES 4 got Lisa Wilcox..
it all worked out how it was meant to!
Great video, great research...Im recently of the opinion that it's more of a Cult of Thorn movie and a 1/3...5 only had a few shots of the man in black that the director had no clue about Probably more of a Jaimie Lloyd or Dr Loomis trilogy in my opinion
Othenin-Girard was trying to briefly humanize Michael in Halloween, but at least there was a point to it even if one sees it as a misfire. The whole idea is that The Shape's rage is so powerful that it breaks through any of Michael's remanent humanness. You see one single tear drop and then Michael instantly snaps back into (the Shape) of rage. I understand people not necessarily liking this, but The Shape's rage is literally spelled out as the film's central theme as we see when Loomis talks to Michael in the woods before the final act.
I actually find it bizarre that many seem to have more contempt for Othenin-Girard doing that than the Weinsteins forcing a shoed-in in-movie-retcon of Halloween 6 wherein we find out the cult of Thorn is actually all just a cover for genetic experiments to be sold, conceivably, to the military-industrial complex. It is potentially the most ridiculous twist in the series that many accept simply because they like the atmosphere and mise en scene of HALLOWEEN 6 and prefer the spectacle of Tommy Doyle beating the piss out of Myers with a pipe in the ending. And I get why people like HALLOWEEN 6, but the whole genetic experiment thing is contemptuously stupid and akin to the deranged conspiracy theories of a QAnon nutter.
Love the Thorn trilogy. 🔥
Curse of Michael Myers will always have a special place in my heart because it reminds me of my Meme’s neighborhood, and around 1998 (I was 6) was when I first dipped my toes into horror (mostly Halloweentown, Don’t Look Under the Bed, Are you Afarid of the Dark?, and So Werid) but I’d also turn on AMC or some place showing horror movies (the first thing I ever saw the Halloween series was the scene with Jamie
in the coffin and Michael taking his mask off around this time) Watch for a few seconds and then get scared and turned back to Cartoon Network or something… but something about it just taps into some of my oldest childhood and spooky memories and what late 90’s Halloween meant to me
Great video ,i have a question in Halloween 2 1981 dr loomis talks about samhain does samhain have anything to with thorn?
12:50 Man I love these opening credits. The original were the best but shit man, this is perfect for a sequel that takes place well after that original night! This just reeks of Autumn in the Prairies (where I'm) and Mid-West.
So, you are very well researched, which is impressive. However, when it comes to the neck of the H5 mask, you missed Don Shanks’ commentary of the film. In that, he talks about how they put makeup sponges in the neck, in order to make it flair out like it did. I guess Dominique thought it didn’t look like a mask, unless they accentuated the neck like that 🤷🏻♂️
I am a Thorn trilogy apologist and I lovingly approve of this deep dive 🎃
As bad as Halloween 5 is. I still watch it. I like this trilogy
Please do J-Horror specific content! (Ju-On, Ringu, Kairo)
What would’ve made the trilogy better Imo:
1. Kept George P. Wilbur in all 3 movies with the correct mask
2. Loomis not developing into a old psycho
3. Not killing off Rachel, and replacing her with annoying Tina
4. Stuck with Danielle Harris as Jamie and not muting her in H5 just to create a psychic connection with Michael
5. been subtle with the cult of thorn, no rituals or random man in black scenes If it was absolutely necessary to give Michael a motive like that
I recut 6 so that it's using both the producers cut and the theatrical.. and I took out every mention of JC Brandy being Jamie Lloyd, so now she's just a random girl from smiths grove that they used as a vessel for a cloned Michael Myers baby... And I did toss in a quick explanation where the real Jamie is (which is on my channel lol)
Looks epic
Happy Halloween beautiful children of the night
A really cool connection to real life cult imagery is that the thorn symbol that is tattooed on Michael’s wrist is actually a real life rune called Wynn! So it makes sense why doctor Wynn would be the one controlling Michael.
Also i resent the comment on the generic grunge music in the theatrical cut of Halloween 6! Hahah I’m a big grunge guy. The song is “And fools shine on” by Brother Cane. I actually shazamed the song when I first heard it. I can’t help it hahaha but I do agree that the original Halloween music was much better choice for the scene.
I did not mean to disparage grunge, I'm merely loyal to the Carpenter score
I remember growing up, every year around Halloween time, AMC would always rerun Halloween 4 and 5 and I would watch them every year for years lol they’re basically staples of my childhood and the one timeline that has the most nostalgia for me. I admit as a kid, I had a big crush on Jamie lol I so loved getting to meet Danielle for real earlier this year! Those Halloween 5 parties sound insane since she was a kid. Idk how to feel about all that lol
I really loved your background info on Alan howarth! Music is so important to me and I love that he has a rock background and opened for the Who! That’s awesome! Also I never knew about the stranger who inspired the man in black! Thank you for that!
But I’m just glad that you’ve finally seen the light on the producers cut of Halloween 6! I know it’s got flaws but so does part 5 haha and for me, as a long time fan of part 4 and 5, watching the producers cut finally gave me closure on what happened with that storyline cuz the theatrical cut never helped and always confused me lol I also like that we have retroactively titled as the thorn trilogy cuz of part 6!
It’s sad about he whole Jamie situation, since Danielle only asked for more money to cover the court costs of being emancipated. Damn those producers, but either way I like the way Jamie is handled more in the producers cut and that Danielle and JC Brandy are friends!
My biggest reasons for preferring the producers cut goes beyond the story changes but it actually feels edited like a horror film and doesn’t have all those light flashes and jumpy editing! But I also love that the producers cut has more Donald Pleasance. It’s not just that he passed before the reshoots but the director thought his performance was boring. Idiot! Hahaha Pleasance is honestly one of the best things these films got going for them!
Thank you again my dark mistress for this deep dive into my favorite Halloween timeline! You’ve seriously outdone yourself with this one! What a way to celebrate Samhain! Happy Halloween!
Boring?! Ohhh Chappelle you might be on my shit list now
@@HauntedHippie mine too!! Lol
I actually really enjoy Halloween 5. I've got the Producers Cut of 6 and like it enough but 4 is one of my favourite horror movies and is good enough to be it's own thing if it wasn't a Halloween movie but a masked killer flick.
With AI becoming so prevalent, it seems inevitable that someone superimposes Danielle Harris’ face over JC Brandy’s.
Halloween 4 was a descent movie. The mask is what killed it for me though